The following
program presents principles
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designed to promote good health
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and is not intended
to take the place of
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personalized professional care.
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The opinions and
ideas expressed are those
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of the speaker.
Viewers are encouraged
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to draw their own conclusions
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about the information presented.
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Hello and welcome to
Health For A Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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We're glad that
you're with us today.
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And if you are
with us today you have a
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heart and that heart is beating,
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and that's why
you're alive, but many
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people in America
and around the world
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are struggling
with heart disease and
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talking with us today
about this, number one
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killer at least
here in America is
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Dr. Neil Nedley.
Is it still number one
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or has cancer
overtaken it? Well, it's still
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number one
overall. If you take a look
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at age 85 and
younger cancer is number one.
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Okay. Now, if
you're taking a look at
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atherosclerosis in
general it would still be
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number one even
under the age of 85,
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but if you're just
looking at coronary
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artery disease,
which used to be called
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the number one
killer often, it's still
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as number one
overall, but and less than 85
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cancer is your
greatest likelihood of death.
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Okay, so let's
look at some of those
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numbers maybe you,
we can get a handle
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on what's happening
at least in the West.
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Yeah, well as you
can see 50 million
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Americans have
high blood pressure
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and that's one of
the precursors to artery
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disease as well as stroke
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and heart attack,
12.6 million have coronary
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artery disease and 4.6 million
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have had a
stroke and survived it.
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There is 1
death every 33 seconds
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from atherosclerosis,
40% of all deaths
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are currently
from cardiovascular
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disease in this
country and the costs
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are astounding. The
latest figure we have
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its 2001, but
almost $300 billion spend
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in health care
cost on atherosclerosis,
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that's a pretty
phenomenal figure.
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Man, and largely
avoidable. That's right.
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We know enough
about this disease
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that we can prevent
it in over 90% of cases,
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if people would
follow what we recommend.
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Ninety percent,
so that would take
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that $300 billion
down to, 30 billion.
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Yeah. Yeah, it
would be down to a,
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a very low health
care cost. And probably
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we wouldn't have
spent that much money
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research at that
point, but still largely
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preventable.
Largely preventable,
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yeah high blood
pressure also largely
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preventable and then
the other risk factors
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that are cigarette
smoking still prevalent
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in some sections
of the country, 20% of
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Americans still
smoke and then high
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cholesterol,
which is even much more
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prevalent? So, I
mean we know so much
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about it, we hear
about it in the news at
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least here in the
West. Why is it still such
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a significant problem? Number 1,
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people aren't
getting informed as to
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what causes it to a
broad scale and that's
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the reason for a
program such as today
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where we can get the information
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out there. We
actually have enough
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information to
know how to virtually
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eliminate this disease now.
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And you know,
when you consider the,
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the figures for it
you know, one death
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every 33 seconds
you know, you would
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add up the amount
of deaths in one day
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from atherosclerosis
and that would be
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like several
jumbo jets going down.
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If we had just
jumbo jet going down
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once a year we
would think that was
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too much and we
would put all sorts of
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money into the
FAA and into doing
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everything we could
to prevent those deaths
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whether it's
better pilot training
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or whether it's
better equipment on the
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airplanes, but here
we have the equivalent
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of about 4 jumbo jets going down
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every day as
far as the amount of
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deaths are concerned. And no one
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seems to be all
that concerned about it.
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Yeah, that is
interesting I mean,
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look if you have a,
a military conflict,
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many times the
news media will say,
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alright it up to
this number or that
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number in, even if
it's one or two or if
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there is a some
kind of serial killer
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that has struck, oh!
No it's up to 8 people
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or 12 people and it's
all over the headlines.
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Yeah, exactly. But with this.
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One death every 33 seconds
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and people call it "Natural."
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And the reason
they do that is because
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they don't want to
hear bad news about
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their bad habits. Well, I think
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that's a big part of it too.
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And the other part
of it is there is still
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general ignorance
out there in regards to
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the fact of this
disease is preventable.
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You know, I was
doing an interview with
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another physician in
a, in a city of about
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400,000, 500,000
people, and the man got off
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the plane, he said
exactly what you said,
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but he had some very
telling illustrations
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that went along with
it. And I, I, I called up
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the news media and
they were there to talk
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to him right after we
got out of the airport,
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we went right
to the news outlet.
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He shared that he could prevent
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and he said well, how
would this, this happen?
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He said, well he
just start to talk about
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some of the habits,
never got on the news
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anywhere, no one wanted to. Yes,
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that's right. This
person was an Olympic
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gold medalist; this
person was eminently
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qualified at a, at a
medical school out East,
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Yale
University. He had you know,
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not secondary research reports,
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but primary
research he had done.
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And this, this part
of the country because
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it was high in
consumption of the foods
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that he was talking again,
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never made it
anywhere. Wow! That's shocking,
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and it's really
appalling. Really,
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I mean it was
particular because there were
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probably many
deaths that occurred.
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They wouldn't
have occurred otherwise
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had they hear of
it. That's right.
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Because people are
interested in how to
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prevent this disease and how to
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reverse it as
well. That's right,
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so I'm, I'm happy
you're here talking about it,
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let's talk then
about the, the affects that
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it has on these different areas
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of the body that
you, atherosclerosis
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or heart disease.
Yeah, well atherosclerosis
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comes from two Greek words;
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Athero means mushy,
and sclerosis means hard.
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And so, literally
it means the mushy hard
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disease and it's
actually not a bad
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illustration
because it starts out with
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something mushy, which is fat
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and cholesterol
being deposit in the
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blood vessels and
then calcium comes
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along later and
hardens it up and it can become
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quite hard and it can start to
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obstruct arteries.
Okay. As far as the arteries
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that are affected
from it, it can affect
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any artery in the
body. So, whether small
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or large any
artery and capillary
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and vessel probably as well.
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Yeah, primarily
it's going to affect the
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high pressure arteries,
so it's going to affect
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the large blood
vessels primarily,
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but it can also affect
the medium blood vessels
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and even some
smaller blood vessels,
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but it affects the blood vessels
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going to the brain
of course that can cause
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a stroke, but
even before it causes
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a stroke it can
cause a decrease in brain
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functions just
because of its limiting
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brain blood flow.
And so what, what are
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we talking about
a decrease in brain
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function like
how much or there are
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any numbers? Well, we do have
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some, some graphic
that talks about the brain
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and atherosclerosis. As plaque
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build-up increased in
several studies overall
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thinking ability decreased,
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also the
attention levels decreased
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and the mental
reactions speed fell,
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and moreover,
high levels of plaque
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build-up on
initial evaluation predict
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a more rapid
decline in memory ability.
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So, it's going to
affect your memory,
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it's going to affect
your analytical ability,
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it's also going to affect your
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reaction time. And unfortunately
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this is what tends to
happen when people age
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that's why real old
drivers tend not to be
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a very safe drivers.
Actually in coming here
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today there was
almost an accident caused
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by an individual
that was in the left lane
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going very slow,
limited vision obviously
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tunnel vision, not
looking at anything else
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around her, but
elderly in nature,
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her reaction time was down,
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her analytical
ability, her ability to gather
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information was
down and she was a danger
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being on the
road. And I can tell you
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it wasn't due to
her age, it was due to
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atherosclerosis that's what,
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what had caused
that. Now, we talk about
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this with older
folks and what not so
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then the people that
are young that are watching
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say I don't have to worry about.
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Does this affect
anybody's mental ability
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if they're in their teens or if
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they're in their 20s or
if they're in their 30s?
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Well, you know the
fatty streaks can begin
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in infancy
actually depending on how
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infants are
eating and they all began
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at that time, not
enough to really decrease
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the blood flow at that point.
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Usually you have to
be in your 20s or 30s
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before you start
getting a significant reduction
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in blood flow from it building
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up to that level.
Although it has happened
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in people as you
know, late teenagers.
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Heart attacks occur every day
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in this country and people
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that are in their late teens.
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But what about mental abilities?
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Are those
affected before you have
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the heart attack
or something? Yes,
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they can be. The
mental abilities can be
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affected in the 20s
and 30s, and of course,
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if it's affected
then, then watch out
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because if the
individual doesn't
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change their diet and lifestyle
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they're gonna run
into a significant
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decline in their 40s, 50s, 60s.
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Now, someone
tells me that you know,
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when you're in your teens and,
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and what not you
can get away with some
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bad food up to a
point, but then someone
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you are 20s, your aorta is
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really affected, is that right?
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Well, it's an
accumulation really,
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okay, and so the
teenage year starts to process
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and then it just accumulates
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further in the 20s.
Well, what about the fatty
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streaks in the aorta?
Talk to us a little bit.
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What is the aorta
and what happens in it?
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Well, actually I
have a diagram of an
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atherosclerotic plaque
that could occur anywhere
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in a carotid artery
that supplies the brain or
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in the aorta. And you can see
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the artery wall
what started the process
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off is the yellow
there in the middle,
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those are the
cholesterol crystals and that in
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order to protect the
body from that cholesterol,
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plaque that's
there. The body actually
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forms a smooth
muscle layer above that with
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a small fibrous cap
and that will decrease the
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blood flow, but it won't
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plug off the
blood vessel until that
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ulceration
occurs, if you can see
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that individual's
fibrous plaque got ulcerated,
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inflammation can
do that. And when that
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ulceration occurs
platelets form which are
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clotting agent
in the entire vessel
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can block off. So,
you can get a blood
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vessel for instance
it's only 20% blocked and
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if it an ulcerated
plaque occurs then a sudden
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heart attack occurs.
And so just because you
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have blockages less
than 50% on an angiogram,
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doesn't mean that
you're, you're home free as far
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as not having heart attack.
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So, explain that also,
I mean the underline thing
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is the cholesterol
crystals that buildup there
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as a result of diet
or oxidized cholesterol
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whatever it
would be and then the,
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the ulcerated
event, what causes that you
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said
inflammation? Yes, when you have
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inflammation it's more risky.
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For instance, people tend to get
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heart attacks for
instance when they
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have a cold, or when they
00:12:01.50\00:12:03.17
have pneumonia. We've had many
00:12:03.18\00:12:04.86
individuals come into
the hospital for pneumonia
00:12:04.87\00:12:07.09
and the day later
they have a heart attack.
00:12:07.10\00:12:08.80
And that's because
one of those plaques
00:12:09.53\00:12:11.51
gets ulcerated. That's right,
00:12:11.52\00:12:12.97
the inflammation
from the pneumonia made
00:12:12.98\00:12:15.19
it more easy for
that plaque to ulcerate.
00:12:15.20\00:12:17.29
People with
arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis
00:12:17.30\00:12:19.83
for instance they're
much more likely to rupture
00:12:19.84\00:12:22.40
an ulcerated
plaque. And really anything
00:12:22.41\00:12:25.89
that's going to cause
inflammation in the body,
00:12:25.90\00:12:27.76
as physician we
measure it by looking at
00:12:27.77\00:12:29.53
two things, a
C-reactive protein.
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The higher that number is the,
00:12:32.57\00:12:34.48
the greater the
inflammation in the
00:12:34.49\00:12:36.21
body and the sedimentation rate.
00:12:36.22\00:12:38.13
And so, we can get an
idea and both of those
00:12:38.48\00:12:40.88
are actually risk
factors for heart attack.
00:12:40.89\00:12:42.74
It's the
cholesterol that really causes
00:12:42.75\00:12:46.18
the risk factor,
but the final end
00:12:46.19\00:12:49.02
point is the
inflammation. But you can have a
00:12:49.03\00:12:51.39
huge amount inflammation
and never run into a
00:12:51.40\00:12:54.61
rupture plaque if
you don't have a plaque
00:12:54.62\00:12:56.41
there to begin with.
And that's why we really
00:12:56.42\00:12:59.75
want to prevent
because none of us are going
00:12:59.76\00:13:01.52
to able to completely
eliminate inflammation.
00:13:01.53\00:13:04.45
By the way, dental carries as
00:13:04.79\00:13:06.73
well dental
cavities. When you have the
00:13:06.74\00:13:08.97
bacteria there and
they're feasting on your gums,
00:13:08.98\00:13:12.57
periodontal disease
that can cause inflammation
00:13:12.58\00:13:15.60
and that's why
periodontal disease has been
00:13:15.61\00:13:17.34
associated with
heart attacks and stokes
00:13:17.35\00:13:20.18
because of that inflammation.
00:13:20.19\00:13:21.79
Interesting now
someone tells me that when
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someone's an obese
person they're in a constant
00:13:24.89\00:13:27.34
state of
inflammation, is that true?
00:13:27.35\00:13:29.18
Obesity does raise
the C-reactive protein
00:13:29.82\00:13:32.32
a little bit. And so,
00:13:32.33\00:13:33.82
when we measure it on the blood,
00:13:33.83\00:13:35.05
in the bloodstream,
obesity is associates with
00:13:35.06\00:13:38.31
inflammation. We're talking with
00:13:38.32\00:13:40.01
Dr. Neil Nedley,
we're talking about
00:13:40.02\00:13:41.37
heart disease,
we've talked about how
00:13:41.38\00:13:43.49
dangerous it is,
we've talked the fact that
00:13:43.50\00:13:45.35
it can began even
when we're very young.
00:13:45.36\00:13:47.28
When we come back
we'll continue our discussion
00:13:47.78\00:13:49.94
and hopefully
have some good news,
00:13:49.95\00:13:51.17
it is good news
because we can prevent
00:13:51.18\00:13:53.23
and avoid it, but
how can we do that?
00:13:53.24\00:13:55.32
Join us when we come back.
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Welcome back,
we've been talking with
00:14:58.87\00:15:00.57
Dr. Neil Nedley.
We've been talking about
00:15:00.58\00:15:02.19
heart disease and
we've been talking about the
00:15:02.20\00:15:04.96
magnitude of the
problem at least in the
00:15:04.97\00:15:07.74
West and it is also
the number one killer,
00:15:07.75\00:15:09.98
if you look around the world.
00:15:09.99\00:15:11.67
And we've been
talking about what can happen
00:15:12.06\00:15:14.36
to our aorta, our brain?
00:15:14.37\00:15:16.38
And Dr. Nedley what
else do we need to say
00:15:16.93\00:15:19.48
about these areas of the body?
00:15:19.49\00:15:22.78
Well, I mean it can
cause an aortic rupture,
00:15:23.37\00:15:25.45
it can cause kidney failure,
00:15:25.91\00:15:27.20
it can cause lose of
limb, when the blood vessels
00:15:27.21\00:15:30.50
are blocked in the
legs? And there is a lot of
00:15:30.51\00:15:32.83
problems that people
are suffering from and being
00:15:32.84\00:15:35.07
hospitalized
for, that they don't
00:15:35.08\00:15:36.49
recognize the root
cause being atherosclerosis.
00:15:36.50\00:15:39.33
Okay, so this is the
mushy heart disease that
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goes from that mushy
girl to something that's
00:15:41.49\00:15:43.16
sclerotic or hard. Right.
00:15:43.17\00:15:45.54
And what are the
numbers? We probably need to
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know our numbers.
Well, the cholesterol
00:15:48.69\00:15:50.44
is a big number. And we have a
00:15:50.45\00:15:52.66
graphic that
describes the cholesterol in the
00:15:52.67\00:15:56.11
blood and its
risk for heart attack.
00:15:56.12\00:15:58.79
And once the
cholesterol gets above a 150
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your risk significantly
goes up that's higher
00:16:01.74\00:16:04.25
160 then it is a
150, 200 it's gone up over
00:16:04.26\00:16:08.21
twice as much over
someone with 150 and a lot
00:16:08.22\00:16:11.10
of people think
they're fine at 195
00:16:11.11\00:16:13.06
cholesterol
reading, they're not.
00:16:13.07\00:16:14.68
They really need to
get it down further.
00:16:15.01\00:16:16.56
And then you can see
as it goes up further it's
00:16:17.08\00:16:19.77
an exponentially
increase by the time you're
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up to 280 eighteen
times the risk of death
00:16:21.67\00:16:26.43
from heart attack.
So, and that one said,
00:16:26.44\00:16:29.30
it was two times,
four times, six times,
00:16:29.31\00:16:30.89
eight times the
risk. Right. Just by that.
00:16:30.90\00:16:33.45
Just by that
incremental increase in the
00:16:33.46\00:16:35.78
cholesterol level.
So, someone tells me
00:16:35.79\00:16:37.55
every point your
cholesterol increases
00:16:37.56\00:16:39.72
is to 2 to 3%
increase and the risk of death
00:16:39.73\00:16:43.36
from heart attack.
That's right, yeah.
00:16:43.37\00:16:45.55
Okay, so really those numbers,
00:16:45.56\00:16:47.75
knowing your
numbers is part of the game.
00:16:47.76\00:16:49.40
Knowing your
numbers is part of the game
00:16:49.99\00:16:51.38
and then trying to
get your numbers under
00:16:51.39\00:16:53.57
control which of
course is possible.
00:16:53.58\00:16:56.03
So, what is the single
most affective way to get
00:16:56.74\00:17:00.55
your numbers under control?
00:17:00.56\00:17:01.70
Well, it's a
multifaceted approach. Okay.
00:17:02.40\00:17:06.24
We don't recommend
just one way I mean some
00:17:06.25\00:17:08.68
cardiologist might say
taking a Statin drug is
00:17:08.69\00:17:11.59
the single most
important thing that you can do.
00:17:11.60\00:17:14.17
Those Statins have
side effects and you can
00:17:14.63\00:17:16.47
lower your
cholesterol level by diet and
00:17:16.48\00:17:18.49
lifestyle as well as a Statin.
00:17:18.50\00:17:20.98
Now, the problem is
most people aren't being
00:17:21.21\00:17:23.14
told how they can do
it. They're just told to
00:17:23.15\00:17:25.39
take the skin off the chicken,
00:17:25.40\00:17:26.72
use low fat dairy
instead of high fat dairy
00:17:27.37\00:17:30.20
and their cholesterol
levels will go down about
00:17:30.21\00:17:32.52
6% by doing that,
but not 30 to 40% it
00:17:32.53\00:17:37.36
really needs to go down to make
00:17:37.37\00:17:38.92
a huge
difference, and that you can
00:17:38.93\00:17:41.10
do by diet. Our screen,
00:17:41.11\00:17:44.91
we have a graphic
that shows cholesterol
00:17:45.97\00:17:48.36
in foods. The more cholesterol
00:17:48.37\00:17:50.27
we eat in the foods
the greater our cholesterol
00:17:50.28\00:17:53.51
gets in the
bloodstream. You can see fruits,
00:17:53.52\00:17:56.23
grains and nuts and vegetables,
00:17:56.24\00:17:57.46
zero cholesterol.
If you want to know
00:17:57.47\00:17:59.98
whether it's
something as cholesterol in it,
00:17:59.99\00:18:01.41
read the ingredients
if it's just plant foods
00:18:01.42\00:18:03.77
has no cholesterol. Skimmed milk
00:18:03.78\00:18:06.88
still has some, a
lot of people think
00:18:06.89\00:18:08.39
skimmed milk doesn't has 45 mg,
00:18:08.40\00:18:10.18
2%, milk 18 mg,
whole milk 33 mg,
00:18:10.19\00:18:14.30
and so a dairy comes
from an animal anything that
00:18:15.08\00:18:17.44
is an animal or
comes from an animal has
00:18:17.45\00:18:19.94
cholesterol in
it. And then we have
00:18:19.95\00:18:22.34
higher sources of
cholesterol and of course
00:18:22.35\00:18:25.88
those would be the
meat themselves and we have
00:18:25.89\00:18:28.79
a graphic in regards
to that as well. Okay,
00:18:28.80\00:18:31.91
so we have what's
the highest meat source
00:18:31.92\00:18:35.03
of cholesterol?
Well, you can see get,
00:18:35.04\00:18:38.96
before we get to the meat there,
00:18:38.97\00:18:40.15
Ice cream 29 mg, butter just a
00:18:41.28\00:18:43.60
tablespoon 31 mg,
but look at eggs that
00:18:43.61\00:18:47.13
would be the egg
yolk because the egg white
00:18:47.14\00:18:49.47
actually has the
one exceptional role,
00:18:49.48\00:18:51.28
doesn't have cholesterol in it.
00:18:51.29\00:18:52.38
But egg yolks 213
mg of cholesterol,
00:18:52.81\00:18:56.36
huge amount and
that's why we tell people,
00:18:57.01\00:18:58.52
if they're going to
eat eggs they really ought
00:18:58.53\00:19:01.20
to throw the yolk away
and just eat the whites.
00:19:01.21\00:19:03.19
Then we have tuna.
A lot of people think
00:19:04.53\00:19:06.20
tuna is part of
the plant kingdom.
00:19:06.21\00:19:07.60
I had run into a lot
of people who think that
00:19:08.17\00:19:10.44
fish is part of
a vegetarian diet.
00:19:10.45\00:19:12.39
Fish is part of
the animal kingdom,
00:19:13.41\00:19:14.95
it has cholesterol in it and
00:19:14.96\00:19:16.44
study-after-study
shows, if you're a healthy
00:19:16.45\00:19:18.39
vegetarian you
add fish to your diet,
00:19:18.40\00:19:20.23
your cholesterol goes
up. Tuna 26 mg per serving,
00:19:20.24\00:19:24.32
clams 57 mg, crab 64 mg and
00:19:24.33\00:19:27.95
then we have the
regular meats that most
00:19:27.96\00:19:31.30
people are eating graft as well.
00:19:31.31\00:19:33.65
So, that would be like pork,
00:19:33.66\00:19:35.56
beef, chicken. Right, you can
00:19:35.57\00:19:39.17
see chicken breast,
that's without the skin
00:19:39.18\00:19:41.19
and the fat scraped off 73 mg,
00:19:41.20\00:19:44.24
if it has the
skin and the fat 82 mg,
00:19:44.77\00:19:47.58
which is actually a
little higher than pork
00:19:47.59\00:19:49.11
and beef? You can see
00:19:49.12\00:19:50.09
pork 76 mg per
serving, beef 80 mg per serving.
00:19:50.10\00:19:53.75
A lot of people
aren't aware of that
00:19:54.07\00:19:55.17
chicken has much cholesterol,
00:19:55.18\00:19:56.52
most people are
told to eat chicken,
00:19:56.53\00:19:57.96
if they have a
high cholesterol level.
00:19:57.97\00:19:59.50
That's right, they are.
00:19:59.51\00:20:00.48
And that's not
gonna work very well.
00:20:00.49\00:20:02.52
And then you can
see the real high ones
00:20:02.53\00:20:04.95
are shrimp 165, the
organ meats are high,
00:20:04.96\00:20:08.35
beef kidney 329, beef
liver 410, Caviar 500.
00:20:08.36\00:20:13.06
And if you see anyone
feasting on beef brains
00:20:13.07\00:20:15.95
you have to wonder
about their intentions
00:20:15.96\00:20:18.10
just 1, 3 oz serving 1697 mg.
00:20:18.11\00:20:23.08
People actually
eat that beef brains.
00:20:23.09\00:20:25.03
Well, I wouldn't
recommend it, not only
00:20:25.04\00:20:27.60
is it high in cholesterol,
00:20:27.61\00:20:28.90
but you know if
you want to avoid
00:20:28.91\00:20:30.95
some of the fat
disease that could come
00:20:30.96\00:20:33.05
with beef brain
you would not want to
00:20:33.06\00:20:34.98
eat it, it's actually
not recommended to anybody
00:20:34.99\00:20:37.23
to it eat anymore.
But they're used to.
00:20:37.24\00:20:39.17
They're used to
and unfortunately,
00:20:39.18\00:20:41.09
there are still people doing it.
00:20:41.10\00:20:42.07
Amazing, now you know,
00:20:42.08\00:20:44.19
you a little bit
earlier just a back you said,
00:20:44.20\00:20:46.26
really people need to
know about these foods
00:20:46.27\00:20:50.29
because you can really
lower your cholesterol,
00:20:50.30\00:20:52.33
sometimes as much as
Statin medication, right,
00:20:52.34\00:20:55.00
but let's say you
have 300 cholesterol
00:20:55.01\00:20:58.03
or 240 or 260 they
come to your office.
00:20:58.04\00:21:01.17
Will you put them on
the Statin short term
00:21:01.18\00:21:02.88
until they get, get it down,
00:21:02.89\00:21:04.25
is it something
that should be done?
00:21:04.26\00:21:06.54
Well, not
necessarily I'll see how
00:21:06.55\00:21:08.94
motivated the
individual is to act on
00:21:08.95\00:21:11.12
the information
that I give them.
00:21:11.13\00:21:12.56
And I'll give them the
opportunity for a good,
00:21:12.57\00:21:15.05
better, best diet. The
best diet for preventing
00:21:15.06\00:21:17.51
coronary artery
disease is a totally
00:21:17.52\00:21:19.10
plant-based diet that
has no cholesterol in it.
00:21:19.11\00:21:21.31
And that is
difficult for most people to be
00:21:21.32\00:21:26.03
able to transition
do immediately without
00:21:26.04\00:21:28.22
some instruction.
So, we have cooking
00:21:28.23\00:21:30.31
schools and we
have different didactic
00:21:30.32\00:21:33.80
instructions where
they can learn how to cook
00:21:33.81\00:21:36.22
some very tasty
dishes. And if they're willing
00:21:36.23\00:21:39.98
to do that, their
families is willing
00:21:39.99\00:21:41.71
to cooperate with that,
00:21:41.72\00:21:42.69
they won't need a
Statin drug even off
00:21:42.70\00:21:44.19
the bat, we can
lower the cholesterol level
00:21:44.20\00:21:46.31
60 points in about 3 weeks.
00:21:46.32\00:21:48.46
We can lower it
about 90 points in about
00:21:48.47\00:21:51.16
6 weeks by getting
on an ideal program.
00:21:51.17\00:21:54.01
Just by the diet.
Just by the diet, yeah.
00:21:54.02\00:21:57.72
So, you know some
of these things are
00:21:57.73\00:21:59.29
on your website resources
00:21:59.30\00:22:00.76
www.nedleypublishing.org,
or its com
00:22:00.77\00:22:05.80
or www.drnedley.com.
Drnedley.com, yeah,
00:22:05.81\00:22:11.98
and so these
resources like the book proof
00:22:11.99\00:22:14.04
positive and some
of these other things
00:22:14.05\00:22:15.79
and then I think
you have you know
00:22:15.80\00:22:18.19
other things that
can specifically help
00:22:18.20\00:22:19.94
with the
nutritional things. Right, yes,
00:22:19.95\00:22:22.01
and of course we
have cookbooks and recipes
00:22:22.02\00:22:24.08
that go long with
it. You know once you,
00:22:24.09\00:22:25.60
you know, a lot of people think
00:22:25.61\00:22:27.11
you're gonna
sacrifice taste doing this,
00:22:27.12\00:22:28.90
but once you can make the food,
00:22:28.91\00:22:32.71
we really just need
to retrain the cooks.
00:22:32.72\00:22:34.32
Once we can make the
food and have it tasty,
00:22:34.33\00:22:38.23
there is no reason
to go back to the other
00:22:38.24\00:22:39.53
way of eating. And so, we try to
00:22:39.54\00:22:41.09
teach these people
maybe 6 or 8 dishes,
00:22:41.10\00:22:43.73
kind of amazing
how little variety
00:22:43.74\00:22:45.98
the average
American has in their diet,
00:22:45.99\00:22:47.62
they eat a lot of
times at the same restaurant,
00:22:47.63\00:22:49.87
order the same
foods of the menu and
00:22:49.88\00:22:53.16
if they can switch
those over to 6 or 8 very
00:22:53.17\00:22:56.41
good recipes
that's a good start,
00:22:56.42\00:22:58.01
and that's now a
whole lot to learn. Right,
00:22:58.02\00:22:59.98
so we give them 200
recipes and certainly
00:22:59.99\00:23:02.25
6 to 8 of them
they'll like. Exactly and then
00:23:02.26\00:23:04.97
if they like them,
they can repeat that
00:23:04.98\00:23:06.40
and start noticing the benefits.
00:23:06.41\00:23:07.99
Anything else that
you would give people
00:23:08.00\00:23:11.24
they came to your
store, your health food store.
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Well, we would try
to get them on higher
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polyunsaturated fat
and lower saturated fat.
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Saturated fat
increases the liver's production
00:23:17.97\00:23:20.45
of cholesterol.
Polyunsaturated fat
00:23:20.46\00:23:22.79
is going to lower it
and so the more liquid
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the fat the more your
cholesterol goes down.
00:23:24.79\00:23:26.95
And so, foods like
almonds for instance,
00:23:26.96\00:23:29.30
very good at
lowering cholesterol,
00:23:29.31\00:23:30.73
walnuts very good at
lowering cholesterol,
00:23:30.74\00:23:32.71
Pecans good at
lowering cholesterol.
00:23:32.72\00:23:35.03
Where some plant
fats, even know they
00:23:35.04\00:23:37.54
don't have
cholesterol can raise it like
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coconut oil for
instance, or palm kernel oil.
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Interesting, and
again these, these things
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are in, in, in your
book proof positive I think.
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Yes, but then
another factor Don that
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and this is one that
a lot of America has not
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caught up with it,
I think this is why
00:23:51.77\00:23:53.46
it's good that you're
listening to this program.
00:23:53.47\00:23:55.33
A Bruce Taylor
study didn't get a lot of
00:23:55.34\00:23:57.95
publicity, but it
really needed to because
00:23:57.96\00:24:00.09
it really helps to
confirm other studies
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and why it
happen? Bruce Taylor was a
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pathologist in New York
and the medical students
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were doing studies
on rabbits and monkeys.
00:24:07.88\00:24:10.31
They fed them Bruce
Taylor's cholesterol
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that had been exposed to the air
00:24:12.86\00:24:14.56
and it had been, in a
large bucket all of them
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developed
galloping atherosclerosis
00:24:17.88\00:24:19.82
within just a few weeks. Oh!
00:24:19.83\00:24:22.11
This was a Bruce Taylor's actual
00:24:22.12\00:24:23.42
own personal cholesterol,
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this was a vat
that he had right?
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That's right.
Okay. Yeah. Okay, good.
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I was gonna say poor Bruce.
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And so they fed it to them,
00:24:29.77\00:24:32.11
they fed it to them. Yes,
00:24:32.12\00:24:33.43
and it plug the arteries quicker
00:24:33.44\00:24:35.67
and they thought
it would. So, then the
00:24:35.68\00:24:38.04
Bruce Taylor got you know,
00:24:38.05\00:24:40.87
he was wondering why
it plugged it off so much,
00:24:40.88\00:24:42.45
so he fed them pure cholesterol
00:24:42.46\00:24:43.95
that had never
been exposed to the air
00:24:43.96\00:24:45.80
to rabbits and
monkeys, none of them
00:24:45.81\00:24:47.90
developed atherosclerosis.
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So, pure not
oxidized cholesterol
00:24:49.47\00:24:51.91
is not toxic. However,
00:24:51.92\00:24:53.59
when we eat foods
it's been oxidized;
00:24:53.60\00:24:55.45
it's been exposed to the air.
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And so that any one to next step
00:24:56.78\00:24:58.40
to see which
foods were the damaging.
00:24:58.41\00:25:00.42
He would count
the dead cells in the
00:25:00.43\00:25:02.12
aorta from these plaques,
00:25:02.13\00:25:03.71
24 hours after
they were consumed.
00:25:03.72\00:25:06.45
And we have a
graphic on the foods
00:25:06.46\00:25:09.29
that were most damaging.
00:25:09.30\00:25:10.27
The fist most
damaging was custard
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and the most
commonly consume custard
00:25:13.14\00:25:15.49
is ice cream.
Whenever you put sugar,
00:25:15.50\00:25:17.31
milk, eggs together
in the same ingredient,
00:25:17.32\00:25:20.87
the sugar really
helps to oxidized that.
00:25:20.88\00:25:23.00
Pancake mix you
have that egg yolk
00:25:23.01\00:25:25.19
being powered
up, you're oxidizing
00:25:25.20\00:25:27.46
that cholesterol,
third most damaging
00:25:27.47\00:25:29.38
Parmesan cheese which is powered
00:25:29.39\00:25:31.00
in cheese and that
tied with lard as being
00:25:31.01\00:25:33.85
the third most
damaging cholesterol. And so,
00:25:33.86\00:25:36.76
it's not just the
cholesterol content of
00:25:36.77\00:25:38.56
the foods that we eat,
00:25:38.57\00:25:39.54
oxidized cholesterol,
00:25:39.55\00:25:40.55
but the oxidized cholesterol.
00:25:40.56\00:25:41.74
And this helped to
explain something else.
00:25:41.75\00:25:43.82
We talked about an infancy;
00:25:43.83\00:25:45.21
people developing
fatty streaks children.
00:25:45.22\00:25:47.66
They've done
autopsies on these children,
00:25:47.67\00:25:49.77
if they die from
siege or an auto accident.
00:25:49.78\00:25:51.98
Some mothers the way they eat,
00:25:51.99\00:25:54.26
they have more
cholesterol in their
00:25:54.27\00:25:56.11
human breast milk
then what cows do?
00:25:56.12\00:25:58.09
Which group do you
think had the fatty
00:25:58.10\00:26:00.44
streaks the one
consuming cow's milk
00:26:00.45\00:26:02.30
or human breast milk? Well,
00:26:02.31\00:26:05.07
you're gonna tell me. Actually
00:26:05.08\00:26:07.60
it was the one
consuming cow's milk even
00:26:07.61\00:26:09.59
though it was
lowering cholesterol.
00:26:09.60\00:26:11.07
The reason the way
most infants consume
00:26:11.08\00:26:13.95
human breast milk is
directly from the nipple,
00:26:13.96\00:26:16.79
it's not exposed to the air
00:26:16.80\00:26:18.38
and so it's not
toxic, it's not oxidized.
00:26:18.39\00:26:21.38
And so the best
way for you to drink
00:26:21.39\00:26:23.90
your cow's milk
would be to go down
00:26:23.91\00:26:26.14
to the barn and get it straight,
00:26:26.15\00:26:27.45
but we have, if
you're gonna do that,
00:26:27.46\00:26:29.94
recommend that
either. No, that's right.
00:26:29.95\00:26:31.57
Now, you have a quote here that
00:26:31.58\00:26:33.08
I think was
fascinating me over a
00:26:33.09\00:26:35.35
hundred years
ago by Ellen White.
00:26:35.36\00:26:37.59
Yeah, she said,
"Especially harmful
00:26:37.60\00:26:40.24
are the custards and puddings in
00:26:40.25\00:26:41.79
which milk, eggs,
and sugar are the chief
00:26:41.80\00:26:43.84
ingredients.
The free use of milk
00:26:43.85\00:26:45.44
and sugar together
should be avoided."
00:26:45.45\00:26:47.04
And of course
the reason for that
00:26:47.05\00:26:48.69
is these very toxic
cholesterol molecules
00:26:48.70\00:26:52.08
that are produced in
the process developing
00:26:52.09\00:26:55.00
atherosclerosis and progressing
00:26:55.01\00:26:57.74
atherosclerosis.
What you know people
00:26:57.75\00:27:01.17
are changing
habits and these foods
00:27:01.18\00:27:03.09
are probably
highly addictive as well.
00:27:03.10\00:27:05.04
What spiritual
tip do you share with
00:27:05.05\00:27:08.87
your patients?
Well, one of the spiritual
00:27:08.88\00:27:12.23
tips is as not
good to use much honey,
00:27:12.24\00:27:13.94
Proverbs for instance says that,
00:27:13.95\00:27:17.18
but also that we can overcome
00:27:17.19\00:27:19.69
with the power of
God. God can give us
00:27:19.70\00:27:22.48
the information
to change our life
00:27:22.49\00:27:23.95
and can give us the
power to change our life
00:27:23.96\00:27:26.43
for the better. And He wants us
00:27:26.44\00:27:27.41
to be healthy;
He doesn't want us
00:27:27.42\00:27:28.82
to be sick or die prematurely.
00:27:28.83\00:27:30.33
We've been talking
with Dr. Neil Nedley,
00:27:30.34\00:27:32.74
talking about heart disease.
00:27:32.75\00:27:34.31
And I hope that
you have gotten some
00:27:34.32\00:27:36.74
very good information
here that will lead to
00:27:36.75\00:27:39.40
decisions that can
save not only your life,
00:27:39.41\00:27:42.36
but the lives of
others. We have more need
00:27:42.37\00:27:45.52
for information,
contact this here at 3ABN.
00:27:45.53\00:27:47.52
We'll get you in
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00:27:47.53\00:27:49.54
go to his website
www.nedleypublishing.com
00:27:49.55\00:27:54.11
and we hope that as a result,
00:27:54.12\00:27:55.99
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