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Hello and welcome to
Health For A Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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And today we're
gonna be talking about
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making and staying with
positive health choices.
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Talking with us
today about this important
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subject is Dr. Neil Nedley.
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He is a physician
from Ardmore, Oklahoma.
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Well actually Dr. Neil Nedley,
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you're not from
Ardmore, Oklahoma,
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you're kind of from the world.
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Because you
travel all over the place
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and you talk about,
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you know different things,
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you're not just a physician in
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Internal Medicine but you,
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in the true sense of
the word are a doctor,
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that's a teacher. And you know
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I've had
occasion to work with you
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on a lot of
different things whether
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it be depression
recovery seminars,
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or talking about
the book proof positive,
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or other various
health venues and lectures.
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And you know you're practices
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kind of multi focal, I mean,
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it doesn't mean that he who is
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everywhere is nowhere,
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it's just that you know,
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you talk about cardiology and
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do a lot of that
in Internal Medicine
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and Gastroenterology and then a
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preventive medicine as well.
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So you know,
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we're just glad
you took time from
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such a busy
schedule to be with us today.
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Well thank you,
it's, very glad to be here.
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Now you know,
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I'm sure in clinical
medicine and then also
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when you're
teaching that you deal
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with this subject a lot.
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You see that people have gotten
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into all kinds of problems and
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they need to make
positive changes and
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then they have
problems sticking with them.
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Well you know 80
percent of the patients
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that we see in a
hospital setting are
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there because of
their addictive habits.
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If you take
habits that they know are
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harmful to them
and if they're able to
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overcome those
habits we would have
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80 percent less
hospital admissions
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at least in the
Internal Medicine ward.
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So this is just
kind of just like
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everyday life things that they,
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they could get a handle on.
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That's right, you know of course
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tobacco and alcohol
are probably the big two.
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But there are a
lot of other addictions
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out there as well
that are more under
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the table and
people don't recognize the
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severe consequences of
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those addictions caused.
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So what are some of those be,
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we got alcohol, tobacco what are
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some of the other addictions?
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Well, sugar
addiction. It's a big one.
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There are many
individuals that are
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addicted to certain foods,
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particularly
the real high simple
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carbohydrate foods, chocolate,
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40 percent of
females in United States
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have an addictive
relationship to chocolates.
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Is that right?
Yeah. 10 percent of males,
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it still occurs
in males as well.
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Go ahead. No, so
you've got chocolate,
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you've got, what about caffeine?
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Caffeine is another big one,
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80 percent of Americans
utilize caffeine regularly.
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And that is an addictive drug,
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it ends in INE and
if you withdraw from it
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you'll get, you'll feel
like you're on chemotherapy
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with the headaches and
the zombie-like feeling.
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And I remember
doing that actually I,
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I was working one summer night
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began to partake
of the soft drink that
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I won't mention on air
here but if I mention it,
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everyone would
probably know what
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it was and, right,
and then when I stopped
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at the end of the
summer I had these
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terrible headaches
for like five days and
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I realized that was
this what it was. Yeah.
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I hope most people
last about two or three
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days but we've had people last
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for as long as 14
days. 14 days, yeah.
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Severe headaches from withdrawn.
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So I suppose one
of the challenges is
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getting people to
want to make a positive
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health change and to understand
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what a positive health
change is? Yes exactly.
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Many people of
course don't know that
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they're doing
things that are harming
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their body and
of course that's the
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first step, is to
give them the knowledge
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of what those habits
are doing to their body.
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No one will ever
move along the stages
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of change unless
they're given good knowledge
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that they're
convinced as good knowledge,
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and then they'll be
able to make the changes
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from there
hopefully. And so how do you
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go about that I mean
many times I'll say to
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people you really
shouldn't do that,
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they just go oh you
got to die at something.
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Well they're not
willing to give it up and they
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think that the life
would not be enjoyable
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without it. There's a lot of
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people that are
so hooked to their
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addictions that
they think that somehow
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life will no longer have joy
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if they give that addiction up.
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They give up
that Hoho, zinger or
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that chocolate bar
whatever it is. Right,
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exactly. And of course they,
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the testimonies are
very clear from people
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who have given
those things up that
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actually their
joy and happiness is
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enhanced and not
detracted from. Okay,
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so coming to the
first step then is
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having them see that
they're doing something
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negative and then
probably the second step
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is replacing it with
something positive. Yes.
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That's right actually
we have a graphic that
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kind of you know
even infants when they're,
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when they're changing.
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Have this
struggle to go through,
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they have to learn what to do,
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they have to get ready to do it
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and then they have to do it.
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And so those are
the preparation phase
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so to speak of
making a lifestyle change.
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Yeah I mean I have
an infant right now,
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I have an eight
month old and I have a
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2 year old. And you know
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the eight month
old is learning how to
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do things, the 2 year
old is getting ready to,
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get away from
diapers and we're all praying
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for that once a day,
and then wanting to it
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and identifying
it, same kind of thing
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in any change. Yeah, exactly.
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They're having to
go through those same
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changes but fortunately for them
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sometimes it's
actually easier because
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of the own barriers we adults
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put up in making
changes ourselves. Okay,
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so anything you
want to say about those,
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learning what to do,
and those steps other
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than just identifying,
they're pretty basic.
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Well often when
we're dealing we change,
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we're talking about
addictions and they're
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some common characteristics of
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addictions that would be worth
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mentioning at this point.
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A lot of people
wonder what you say
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for instance
chocolate addiction.
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And the majority,
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there's five
common characteristics
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of addictions and
majority of these will
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be present in most addictions.
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First is an
overwhelming compulsion
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to continually use, okay.
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Then there is a
need for increased
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amounts
overtime. And then if the
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individual stops it
they'll actually begin
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to suffer withdrawal symptoms.
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Then if they stop
it for even a long
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period of time
maybe several weeks
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or months there's
still a pretty high tendency
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that they're gonna
relapse back into it.
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And there's also
a detrimental effect
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on the individual or a society.
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There's something
that's quite interesting
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in regards to bad
habits versus good habits.
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Bad habits tend to have
a very addictive nature,
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element, an element to them.
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Where good
habits, actually you can
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withdraw from good habits and
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choose other good
habits and it's not something
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that produces a lot
of blood, sweat and tears
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in regards of the individual.
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I'd like to use the
example of mangoes for
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instance, my wife
is allergic to mangoes,
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breaks out on her
mouth and you know she likes
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mangoes but once we figured out
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what's happening
and I told that she
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shouldn't eat mangoes anymore,
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she didn't say
Neil, I don't know how
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in the world I'm gonna
enjoy life without them.
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I mean, are you serious,
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I'm gonna have
to give up mangoes,
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she didn't sweat,
she didn't you know
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argue with me
vehemently that you
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have to die of something.
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She didn't hide
mangoes in the, right,
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around the house, exactly.
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And of course the
Lord's choices are that way.
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One of God's
principles is freedom of choice.
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In fact He was so
willing for freedom
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of choice to be
there that He was more
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willing for sin to
enter into the world
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than for freedom
to be done away with.
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And so His choice is
we have freedom in that,
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we can choose, if
you're addicted to broccoli
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you might be
disappointed that you
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no longer can eat broccoli but
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you'll be able to
do that very well.
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The devil's habits,
there's a grip of vice
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that's put
around the individuals
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they start utilizing that.
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And so even if
they want to have the
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freedom to change
afterwards and they know
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that they should change,
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the grip is so
strong that it requires
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some pretty tremendous resources
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including
spiritual resources for them
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to ever be able to change.
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So what would
you say to the person
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that comes to you and says,
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well yeah man but
these are plants God created
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and I'm just smoking them,
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so God created those,
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you know I've
had people telling me
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that the
substances that they're buying
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of were created by God. Well.
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Just because it's a plant,
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it doesn't mean it's healthy.
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I mean you know
where does you know
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heroin come
from. You know there's
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all sorts of
drugs that are derived
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from plant
sources that are clearly
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harmful to the
brain, harmful to the body.
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Tobacco is one of those as well,
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marijuana is there
and so I take issue
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with the people
that say well it's all
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natural because
there's clearly some things
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that are natural
that are quite harmful,
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I mean yeah, snake
venom is natural too,
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but we wouldn't want
to inject it into us.
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Yes. Right. And I
guess the first story
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there in Genesis
about the first drug pusher
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if you will, he said hey,
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you have some of this
it will make you get high,
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you will get higher
than everybody else,
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that's right,
you'll have insight,
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they will do this, yeah,
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it was kind of a
very addictive kind
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of drug pusher
kind of conversation.
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It was. Yeah. It
was going to make
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her feel good. Right.
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Put her into an
enhanced fear and of course
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there's a lot of
people when they start
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utilizing drugs
that's why they utilize it,
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they utilize it
to get high at first.
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But as the grip
starts getting them
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then they actually
don't use it to get
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high anymore, they
use it to numb their pain.
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Because in between
times they have some
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very low periods of no pleasure,
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you know lower than what the
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human being is supposed to be at
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and so they try
to get their pleasure
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scale up to the
"normal level" now.
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They're having to
utilize these drugs
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just to numb their pain.
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So identifying
these addictive things
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sometimes people
just to come like for
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instance you
mentioned chocolate.
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Are you saying that's
like the devil's food?
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Well there's some
worse food that you could
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actually eat believe
it or not than chocolate,
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but a chocolate is high in fat,
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it's high in sugar,
it adds to the waistline
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and it also adds to
some brain problems overtime.
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A chocolate
temporarily increases
00:11:49.97\00:11:52.63
serotonin levels;
this is one of the
00:11:52.64\00:11:53.64
reasons why it
somewhere addicted,
00:11:53.65\00:11:55.25
the dopamine levels also go up
00:11:55.26\00:11:56.76
because of
chocolate. And so many
00:11:56.77\00:11:59.67
women call them comfort foods,
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you know when I feel bad
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I just need to
have some chocolate and
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then I feel better for a while.
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But that only lasts a short term
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and then their pleasure,
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their dopamine levels go down
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lower than what they're supposed
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even during a period of fast.
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And so they
feel that need again.
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So why do they go down?
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Well it's really
due to, you know,
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any drug whether it's heroin,
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whether it's
cocaine, whether it's even
00:12:26.46\00:12:30.89
things that are not drugs,
00:12:30.90\00:12:32.04
pornography for
instance is associated
00:12:32.05\00:12:35.12
with an elevation
in dopamine levels
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that is not based on something
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that is long lasting.
The long lasting way of
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doing it is to eat a complex
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carbohydrate diet, where you get
00:12:46.68\00:12:48.50
that nice steady
state of dopamine levels,
00:12:48.51\00:12:51.19
it's not way up
there off the scale,
00:12:51.20\00:12:53.73
above where
human pleasure should
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be like it is when these drugs
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are utilized but it's
up there at a nice level
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where the individual
can be a happy person
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the entire day
and not have these
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periods of downtime. Okay.
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So basically you've
said tobacco, alcohol,
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chocolate, some of
these comfort foods,
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will it be like
simple carbohydrate foods
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that make the
sugars go up really high,
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sugars all these
other different things
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are things we
wanna avoid and those are
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the things you
are asking us to make
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positive changes
concerning. Right.
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and there's other
things that are not ingested
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you know for instance gambling,
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highly addictive.
Gambling, pornography,
00:13:36.08\00:13:39.31
gambling, pornography, Internet,
00:13:39.32\00:13:41.32
there's Internet
addictions. Many people,
00:13:41.33\00:13:44.77
both genders get
involved in Internet
00:13:44.78\00:13:47.18
addictions but
often with the women
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it's you know it's the
friendship, relationships
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with these
faceless people that they
00:13:54.38\00:13:56.94
never meet, that
they're hooked to.
00:13:56.95\00:13:59.54
We're talking
with Dr. Neil Nedley,
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we're talking
about making and then
00:14:01.36\00:14:02.99
maintaining positive
choices in our lives.
00:14:03.00\00:14:06.23
When we come back
we're gonna talk about
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some of these things we've just
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kind of
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We're talking
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We're talking about making and
00:15:17.91\00:15:19.24
maintaining
positive health choices.
00:15:19.25\00:15:21.69
We've talked about some things
00:15:21.70\00:15:22.83
that are very addictive,
00:15:22.84\00:15:24.10
we've talked about tobacco,
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we've talked about alcohol,
00:15:25.24\00:15:26.29
we've talked about chocolate,
00:15:26.30\00:15:27.99
and we've talked about Internet,
00:15:28.00\00:15:30.79
we've talked about pornography,
00:15:30.80\00:15:32.39
we've talked about gambling.
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Dr. Neil Nedley,
are there other things
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we should mention
when we talk about
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things that are addictive.
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Very common addiction in the
00:15:37.71\00:15:39.78
United States is
Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin.
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These drugs that
people utilize to make them
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feel differently,
again it's a false way
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of altering the way they feel.
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After they utilize
them for more than 30 days,
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they get a grip
on them and they are
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tough to get off it
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And they're
effecting their relationships,
00:15:56.61\00:15:59.05
they are
effecting a lot of things
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about them that
they don't have a clue
00:16:01.43\00:16:02.75
that it's effecting them on,
00:16:02.76\00:16:04.13
until they go through
the withdrawal process
00:16:04.14\00:16:06.47
and get off of
them and then their
00:16:06.48\00:16:08.30
relationships
dramatically improve
00:16:08.31\00:16:10.17
and all the
enemies that they had
00:16:10.18\00:16:11.96
before are no
longer there, extra,
00:16:11.97\00:16:14.65
and the common
addiction in the US.
00:16:14.66\00:16:19.81
So in another
words that the brain is
00:16:19.82\00:16:22.53
kind of organized
around that substance
00:16:22.54\00:16:25.15
however you get
it. That's right,
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with those drugs
it's increasing GABA
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and so your body
quits making it because it's
00:16:29.57\00:16:32.33
depending on the
drugs and so when you
00:16:32.34\00:16:34.85
quite utilizing
and the GABA goes down
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to extremely low
levels making you feel anxious
00:16:36.85\00:16:39.55
and almost wanting to
crawl out of your skin,
00:16:39.56\00:16:41.66
you can even have
a seizure with abrupt
00:16:41.67\00:16:43.80
withdrawal if you're
on large doses of Xanax.
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And so it needs to
be done under doctor
00:16:46.13\00:16:48.94
supervision, but
it's very important for
00:16:48.95\00:16:51.25
anyone listening
out there that's on
00:16:51.26\00:16:53.46
these drugs I can tell you,
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your life would be enhanced,
00:16:54.75\00:16:56.22
if you would see a
good addictionologist
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to help you get
off of those drugs
00:16:59.00\00:17:00.99
and there is a
good process on how
00:17:01.00\00:17:03.04
it can be done and
virtually anyone can.
00:17:03.05\00:17:04.84
So how would they go about it,
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what's the process?
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Well the process
on those drugs because
00:17:07.58\00:17:10.41
if you are on high
doses you can end up
00:17:10.42\00:17:12.01
seizing as we
wean them down slowly
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over the course of
three to five days,
00:17:14.26\00:17:16.63
they're decreasing
the dose a little bit more
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until they finally
get to the place within
00:17:18.48\00:17:20.30
a month, where
they're no longer taking that.
00:17:20.31\00:17:22.44
And it'll take
another 30 days after that
00:17:22.45\00:17:24.65
for your brain to
start producing GABA
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like it's supposed
to. So the individual
00:17:26.59\00:17:29.91
will have to be
willing to put up with some
00:17:29.92\00:17:32.19
withdrawal for
quite a period of time.
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So it's best to be around people
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that kind of understand what's
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happening during that time.
00:17:36.93\00:17:37.93
Well I think it's
good if you're on this
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to let your family
know what's happening
00:17:40.72\00:17:42.69
and they can
support you in that. good.
00:17:42.70\00:17:46.22
So what do we do
then we find ourselves
00:17:46.23\00:17:49.28
wanting to make
these good choices,
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we talked about what
causes and addiction,
00:17:51.38\00:17:53.68
what do we do
to make the changes
00:17:53.69\00:17:56.47
and then maintain them.
00:17:56.48\00:17:57.51
Well we have a
graphic that shows something
00:17:57.52\00:18:00.14
that is surprising to
a lot of people on these
00:18:00.15\00:18:02.82
addictions, whether
it's a gambling or tobacco
00:18:02.83\00:18:07.37
or whatever. Many people say
00:18:07.38\00:18:09.56
well what if I
just you know cut down
00:18:09.57\00:18:11.58
to using it just once a
month. It's certainly an
00:18:11.59\00:18:14.43
improvement but the desire is
00:18:14.44\00:18:16.09
being kept
alive. And actually may
00:18:16.10\00:18:19.54
even be increased
during times and you are not
00:18:19.55\00:18:22.90
using it giving rise
to feelings of a deep
00:18:22.91\00:18:25.29
distressing
sense of deprivation.
00:18:25.30\00:18:27.39
And so if the
addiction is permanently
00:18:27.40\00:18:30.42
abandoned and the
thoughts directed toward
00:18:30.43\00:18:32.72
the joy of being free,
00:18:32.73\00:18:33.80
the addiction will
soon not be missed.
00:18:33.81\00:18:36.34
And this is
something that's important;
00:18:36.35\00:18:39.10
I've had people
say well you know
00:18:39.11\00:18:40.70
I'm just a social smoker.
00:18:40.71\00:18:42.10
And they don't
realize that they're setting
00:18:42.11\00:18:45.11
themselves up for
quite a bit of distress
00:18:45.12\00:18:47.98
in between times.
00:18:47.99\00:18:49.07
So this pathway is
maintained by that,
00:18:49.08\00:18:51.40
you know the addicted pathway is
00:18:51.41\00:18:53.89
maintained by that
just one time a month.
00:18:53.90\00:18:56.20
That's right. And
so the solution to
00:18:56.21\00:18:59.76
anything that's
an inductive habit
00:18:59.77\00:19:01.24
is total
abstinence for life. For life.
00:19:01.25\00:19:03.93
Shut the door completely.
00:19:03.94\00:19:05.18
That's right. Clean break.
00:19:05.19\00:19:07.32
And it sounds
cruel to people that have
00:19:07.33\00:19:10.16
that addictive
relationship there but
00:19:10.17\00:19:13.61
I can tell you it's not cruel,
00:19:13.62\00:19:15.07
it is the most sympathetic,
00:19:15.08\00:19:18.14
most compassionate
way for that person
00:19:18.15\00:19:20.20
to be able to live
a joyful life and once
00:19:20.21\00:19:24.53
they're over that
addiction then their
00:19:24.54\00:19:27.12
thoughts are
directed towards the joy
00:19:27.13\00:19:28.77
of being free and the addiction
00:19:28.78\00:19:30.86
won't be missed. Early on you've
00:19:30.87\00:19:32.96
said there's an
addiction to sugar,
00:19:32.97\00:19:34.40
so they never have
sugar their entire life.
00:19:34.41\00:19:36.10
Well for those that,
00:19:36.11\00:19:38.95
that have a
heavy sugar addiction,
00:19:38.96\00:19:40.63
there maybe certain foods in it,
00:19:40.64\00:19:41.96
you'll still be able
to eat fruit and things
00:19:41.97\00:19:43.44
like that, my
father for instance
00:19:43.45\00:19:45.14
had a sugar
addiction and he recognized it
00:19:45.15\00:19:49.04
when he was over
200 pounds and was
00:19:49.05\00:19:51.88
starting to suffer a
lot of health problems
00:19:51.89\00:19:54.66
and he gave sugar up.
00:19:54.67\00:19:55.64
And it was a four month ordeal
00:19:55.65\00:19:57.89
before it no longer
had an appeal to him.
00:19:57.90\00:20:01.33
But if he happened
to eat a piece of pie
00:20:01.34\00:20:03.57
my mother would
still bake him pies
00:20:03.58\00:20:06.49
but the pies had
no sugar in it and
00:20:06.50\00:20:08.36
she baked us pies with sugar.
00:20:08.37\00:20:10.38
The pies
happened to get switched,
00:20:10.39\00:20:11.89
he said it's a sickening sweet
00:20:11.90\00:20:13.35
that's not even
enjoyable anymore.
00:20:13.36\00:20:15.23
Ice cream was sickening to him,
00:20:15.24\00:20:16.98
I mean now he enjoyed an apple
00:20:16.99\00:20:18.71
as much as he used
to enjoying apple pie.
00:20:18.72\00:20:20.83
Because now he was
enjoying the natural
00:20:20.84\00:20:23.56
sweetness and
really getting a lot of
00:20:23.57\00:20:25.69
enjoyment out of that,
00:20:25.70\00:20:26.67
in fact my uncle
used to come up from Texas
00:20:26.68\00:20:28.56
just to watch him
eat, he thoroughly enjoyed
00:20:28.57\00:20:30.81
natural food without
having to dump sugar on.
00:20:30.82\00:20:34.01
Well that was a
powerful thing that
00:20:34.02\00:20:35.48
you saw people, that's right,
00:20:35.49\00:20:37.00
making and then maintaining
00:20:37.01\00:20:38.59
choices exactly. Well you have a
00:20:38.60\00:20:41.07
graphic that
helps us understand more
00:20:41.08\00:20:45.24
about long term success. Yes.
00:20:45.25\00:20:47.93
This is a graphic
that actually goes
00:20:47.94\00:20:52.80
through the
four stages of change
00:20:52.81\00:20:54.49
but this graphic
that's on the screen
00:20:54.50\00:20:55.85
we'll deal with it
since it's up there.
00:20:55.86\00:20:57.67
This is, if you've
been off in addiction
00:20:57.68\00:21:01.03
for a period of
time and then you happen
00:21:01.04\00:21:03.62
to relapse back
into it one time.
00:21:03.63\00:21:06.29
This is a quote
from Ellen White,
00:21:06.30\00:21:08.50
it says "If you
have made mistakes,
00:21:08.51\00:21:09.80
you certainly gain a victory
00:21:09.81\00:21:11.11
if you see these mistakes and
00:21:11.12\00:21:12.56
regard them as
beacons of warning."
00:21:12.57\00:21:14.64
She goes on to say that,
00:21:14.65\00:21:18.65
"then you can turn
defeat into victory,
00:21:18.66\00:21:22.06
disappointing the
enemy and honoring
00:21:22.07\00:21:24.80
your Redeemer."
So in another words
00:21:24.81\00:21:26.29
don't focus on making
these oh I'm gonna fall
00:21:26.30\00:21:29.06
because if you
learn from that fall
00:21:29.07\00:21:31.13
you're actually
stronger. That's right,
00:21:31.14\00:21:32.56
a lot of people once
they fall they thrown
00:21:32.57\00:21:34.19
their talent say
I'm never gonna get
00:21:34.20\00:21:35.57
over this, this is
just something that
00:21:35.58\00:21:37.43
I'm gonna have
to put up with but
00:21:37.44\00:21:39.33
the good news is that
they, if they stop and
00:21:39.34\00:21:43.81
analyze what went
wrong during that fall.
00:21:43.82\00:21:46.58
It wasn't just one
thing and usually it's about
00:21:46.59\00:21:49.12
two or three
things, some barriers
00:21:49.13\00:21:50.71
were let down some other things
00:21:50.72\00:21:52.57
and if they set
up those barriers
00:21:52.58\00:21:54.39
analyze it right about it,
00:21:54.40\00:21:56.09
they're actually
going to be much less
00:21:56.10\00:21:57.76
likely to relapse
again. And that's how
00:21:57.77\00:22:00.23
you can turn
defeat in the victory,
00:22:00.24\00:22:02.63
meaning that the
devil will be not happy
00:22:02.64\00:22:06.08
that he even
tempted you to begin
00:22:06.09\00:22:08.65
with because
you're that much stronger.
00:22:08.66\00:22:10.18
Okay so in other
words like the person
00:22:10.19\00:22:12.06
that says, okay I
just had one spoon of
00:22:12.07\00:22:14.64
that ice cream and I failed now,
00:22:14.65\00:22:17.61
so I'm gonna eat
the whole gallon.
00:22:17.62\00:22:18.89
This is the, this
was the kind of thing
00:22:18.90\00:22:22.14
that can help them say hey no,
00:22:22.15\00:22:23.21
you don't need to
do that, that's right,
00:22:23.22\00:22:24.31
that's right, you just
need to stop and analyze
00:22:24.32\00:22:26.48
what went wrong.
Okay. So you have,
00:22:26.49\00:22:29.13
you have a
series of phrases here
00:22:29.14\00:22:30.99
that can help us.
00:22:31.00\00:22:32.19
Yeah the four
stages of change. Okay.
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The four stages of change,
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number one is consciously
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incompetent.
Okay. And that means,
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I should say unconsciously
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incompetent that means that the
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person is
ignorant, they don't know
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that what they're doing is wrong
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and it's harming them.
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And so they seem to be happy
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'cause ignorance is
bliss for a while but
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eventually it
catches up with them and
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they start
having a marked decrease
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in their quality of
life due to their habit.
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How they move to
consciously incompetent
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is by knowledge.
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The Bible says my
people are destroyed
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for a lack of knowledge,
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so it's a very important step,
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good knowledge to move them
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to stage two.
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But they still haven't changed.
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Once they institute the change
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then they go to
consciously competent.
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And then once they stay in the
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consciously competent phase,
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for my father it was four months
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with his sugar
addiction then he became
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unconsciously
competent in other words
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he had no desire for it anymore,
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he was enjoying his
new life much better
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than he did his
old life and it wasn't
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something he had
to try for anymore.
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There wasn't any real
effort involved in him.
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So he's actually
moved to the place where
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it's just
secondhand nature, just second
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nature. When he goes there
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he doesn't
struggle with the menu
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over oh this, first
is that, right, exactly.
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Anyhow he didn't
use the artificial
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sweeteners either,
a lot of people never
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get over their sugar addiction
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because they're
dumping the artificial
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sweeteners in and
of course that just
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fosters their
desire for the real thing.
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So with him it did
require some effort,
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the consciously in
fact you know caffeine
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will be the same way when you
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give up caffeine,
when you get thirsty
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you are gonna
think of a caffeine drink
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and you're gonna
say no, not this,
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drink water. And that process
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of telling your mind no,
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not this but water is gonna have
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to be repeated for several weeks
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until you get to stage four.
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But a lot of people
give up in stage three,
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they think
they're gonna have to go
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through stage
three their entire life,
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and they won't.
It's actually much better
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I mean the. Or
they think they're gonna
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just being you
know striving to enter
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the straight gate, that's right.
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And that striving
doesn't last long time
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necessarily, I
mean some addictions
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are powerful enough,
they can last months.
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But it gets easier
as those weeks go by
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and you know the
Lord's choices that's
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why the Bible says
that thy right hand
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there are
pleasures forever more.
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I mean this is a
much more happy existence
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to not have something
that you know is harmful,
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that you're continuing to do and
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continuing to
recognize that to no longer
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having anything that
you're habitually doing
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that you know is harmful to you.
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Well let's take an example,
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let's take caffeine and
let's goes through those
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stages with that
someone what would you do,
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someone comes into
your office and you
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realize they're
having palpitations,
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they're having all
these caffeine induced
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arrhythmia's.
Okay, first thing I would
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give them is
knowledge about the fact
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that caffeine is
doing this to them.
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And tell them the
best way is to get off
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of caffeine and
we would go through
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the mental exercise
that they need to do,
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you know they
need to quit buying it,
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they need to have
some water around instead,
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water is the
best beverage and so
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when they first
go to stage three
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when they get
thirsty they're gonna say
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no not caffeine, water.
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The next time they get thirsty
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they're not
gonna think of water,
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they're gonna think
of a caffeine beverage.
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No not caffeine,
water. And so this process
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will need to be
repeated a couple of
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weeks maybe it
doesn't take as long for
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caffeine maybe a
month and then pretty soon
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when the
individual gets thirsty the
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caffeine drink
is even on the mind,
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now the neurons
have changed so that
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water is on the
mind and the individual
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just habitually
goes for water and
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has no desire for
the caffeine anymore.
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So back to the
first stage again,
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you brought, you
brought the other sheet
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or a pamphlet that
you give them on caffeine
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or do you just
talk about it to them.
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Well, we do have
literature that we can
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give them as well. Is this true,
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a woman just
asked us about caffeine,
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is it true that
when you actually drink
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caffeine it's a diuretic,
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can you lose
more flu than you gain
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drinking it? That's true, yeah;
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it's not a good way
to hydrate yourself.
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So you don't
really even get a benefit
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when you're drinking a drink.
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You're not getting a benefit.
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Those of the kind
of things you cover
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with them? That's right yeah.
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and so they see
all that and then,
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and you know
studies show that if you're
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under the influence
of caffeine you're more
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likely to gossip
than when you are not
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under the
influence of caffeine. Okay.
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That's when you stick
to the strict definition
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of gossip of
sharing private information
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with someone who is
not part of the problem
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or part of the
solution to the problem.
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Now these stages they seem very
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logical but you
know you're a Christian
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clinician and physician,
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how do you bring
the spiritual element
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in as we have
this last minute here.
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Well the spiritual
element is involved
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in all the stages.
You know God is the
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author of truth and
so He is the source of
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knowledge.
Scientific studies are just
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expressions of
that knowledge and so
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God helps to implant the truth
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there for to move to stage two
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and then no one
will go to stage three
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unless the spirit
of God is working on
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their heart,
because these addictions
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are so powerful
human beings can't
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neuronally do it themselves,
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they have to be
willing but then they
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have to rely on
God. We've been talking
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with Dr. Neil Nedley
and really the bottom line
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is the power of the Gospel.
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It's what we need
to make and maintain
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positive choices. Thanks so much
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for joining us for
Health For A Lifetime.
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God Bless You.
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