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Hello and welcome to
Health For A Lifetime,
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I'm your host Don
Mackintosh. Today, we are
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gonna talk about
maybe many of you are
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experiencing and that's
low back pain and talking
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with us about this is
Dr. John Clark, he is an
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orthopedic surgeon
and they see you when they
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wanna get rid of
the low back pain. Yeah,
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that's right. Is this,
how, how, how many people
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are struggling with
this in America? You know,
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probably lot more
people than we know, but those
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who have come to
medical attention about 20%
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of the population this
year will have an episode of
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low back pain. Over a
lifetime, 80% of people
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experience low back pain.
That's a lot. That's a lot
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it's is also very expensive
for workers compensation,
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is the number one most
expensive diagnosis for
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workers' compensation.
So, I mean this is an
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obvious question, but
what is your most memorable
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patient that you have
seen with low back pain.
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Well, you know, I saw
one recently that comes to
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mind. So, gentlemen who
had five years earlier had
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an episode where he slipped
and fell while carrying a
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heavy object at work.
And the pain in his back
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was excruciating, he
had drove him to go see the
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doctor after he saw the
doctor, they did an MRI and
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they decided he needed a
surgery. They took him to
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surgery, took out a
disc and he has had for six
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months after that. He did
fine, but then it was all the
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same again. And the pain
was driving him to seek more
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medical help, he had
gotten more MRIs and so finally
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they said there is
nothing more we can do.
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Well, then he came to
see me for a second opinion
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to see what he could
figure out. He was telling me
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that he no longer had
energy to do anything,
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he had this low aching
pain in his back, he couldn't
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go out with his kids and
play basketball, and he is
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wishing he could. He
was in his early 50s and his
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kids were in their
teenage years and he was just
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feeling like he is
getting left out. I think he was
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really coming to me
because he wanted disability.
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But you didn't give him
disability. You, you must
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have suggested something
else or you wouldn't tell
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me the story. Yeah, I
don't see disability as the
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best solution necessarily
and so I talked with him a
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little bit and discussed
with him what was happening,
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I did an exam I could tell
there was nothing that was,
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you know, pressing as far
as a neurological deficit or
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anything. The low back
pain was in the middle of his
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back, it radiated little
bit down to the side of his
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back and, and pelvis,
sometimes to his legs.
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He told me that he
was working at a job,
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where he stock shelves
in a local department store
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and he was getting to
where he couldn't do that
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anymore, it was
starting to really bug him.
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So, what do you tell him
to do? Well, I decided to
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talk to him about this.
I said, now sir you know,
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you have got this big
problem you had it for five
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years it's destroying
your life. Would you be willing
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to try something just
for one week? I mean even
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if it was really, you
know, difficult and challenging,
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but maybe we can get
you through this and he
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said sure I'll try
anything for one week. I said,
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you know, you know,
there is a program we will
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try for one week and,
and at the end of that week
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I'll reevaluate you
and see how you are doing.
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So, he says okay. So, I
said, alright. First thing,
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I want you to do is draw
the schedule here for me.
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Now, I talked him about
his lifestyle, his diet and
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everything. So, I kind
of knew what he was already
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doing. Okay. And so I
started down the schedule
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I said the first thing
you do when you get up in the
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morning as I want you to
drink two glasses of water.
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Two glasses of water or
more, it might be good for
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people watching to take
down this and they can try
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it for a week, right?
That's right, if you are having
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low back pain. Two
glasses of water; start up.
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That's right, two glasses
of water and as soon as you
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get up in the morning
start the hydration early.
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Okay. And then when you
eat breakfast I want you
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to eat something specific
for breakfast. I asked him
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if he had ever eaten
oatmeal. He says, oh, yeah,
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I have. I said, alright
I want you to eat oatmeal
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for breakfast. All
week. All week. For the first
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week. First week. I told
him now this is a necessarily
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the way you are gonna
live the rest of your life.
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But this week. But this
week you are on a therapeutic
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program. Alright. So, he
said okay, I said now with
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your oatmeal, I don't
want you to put oils on it,
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butter, margarine or
anything like that. Any dates.
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You can put in a few dates
or raisins, but and keep the
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salt to minimum, no
sugar. Okay. Because we wanna
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really avoid refined
things and then as soon as
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you finish eating
breakfast. I want you to take a
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walk for 10 minutes. And
that's after each meal of
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the day, you know, and
so 10 minute walk in the
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open air even if it's
raining or snowing just put on
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appropriate clothing,
get outside also with each
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meal take 500 mg of
vitamin C, and then between
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breakfast and lunch
about two hours after
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breakfast I want you to
take two more glasses of water,
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but avoid drinking with
your meals just drink your
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water between meals.
Now, if you are used to
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eating between meals
I told him and you start
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getting hungry, drink a
glass of ice water, and just
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douche the stomach in
cold water and it usually
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fixes the problem. Then
when you get the lunch time
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on your special program
for this week, I want you
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to eat nothing but vegetables
preferably raw as much
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as you want, but don't
eat vegetables that have
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lots of oils or salt. You
can eat cooked vegetables,
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but make sure they are
not overly, they have sugar
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with them or oil with
them and then on your salad
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make sure you don't eat
too much salad dressing,
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low fat if you have to
have some or else make a
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good dressing and then
of course with your lunch,
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your vitamin C, your 10
minute walk between lunch
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and supper another
two glasses of water.
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And for supper I
want you to eat nothing,
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but fruit preferably fresh
fruit. Fruit that is in his
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natural state as
possible with all the fiber,
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no refining, no juices,
and eat at least three hours
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before bedtime, take your
vitamin C, walk immediately
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after supper for 10
minutes and then between supper
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and bedtime, drink your
two glasses of water again
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that will make a total of 8
glasses of water for the day.
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Eight glasses and then
what are the 1500 mg of
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vitamin C? That's right,
lot's of vitamin C, lots of
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water, good diet, lots
of exercise and then I told
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him be sure you avoid
things like coffee, tea,
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alcohol, things that
would give you back trouble.
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And so that was the
program that I put him on and
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I send him out of the
office. So, why did you tell
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him to drink so much
water? Well, you know,
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the discs in your back
are largely made out of
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water and we can put up
a graphic here and on our
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graphic we have a
picture of a vertebrae above
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and a vertebrae below,
and I've colored the middle
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disc yellow. Those
discs are made up of about 70
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to 80% water. For in
the water your disc kind a
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shrinks. That's right,
it's like a tire that runs out
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of air, your disc runs
out of water and most people
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live their lives in
dehydration. Now, if we put
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up the next graphic, the
point there is that if you
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look at the disc it only
has a blood supply to the
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edge of it to the,
what we call the annulus.
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And when the blood
supplies the annulus,
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the rest of the disc is
dependent upon diffusion or
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soaking through of the
nutrients into the disc and
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the oxygen into the
disc and all has to soak
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through and or pump
through by the action of
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your walking. These
discs are especially vulnerable
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to dehydration to
poor nutrition to anything
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that affects the
vessels running to them.
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So, drinking plenty of
water keeps the disc full,
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it keeps the medium in
the disc that lets nutrients
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flow from the vessels to
the centre of it. So, you have
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plan, you had to drink a
lot of water, so the enough
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water to send, if you
had a walk, so it pushes and
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squeezes it through there
by diffusion these were the
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ideas. That's exactly
right. And then let me guess,
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the oatmeal and all
of the healthy food was,
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the vessels would be
nice and clean and deliver
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everything he needs for
his disc. That's exactly
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right, and to talk little
bit more about the walking.
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The reason I had him
walk after each meal was
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because when you
just finished eating,
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you have a lot of
nutrients pouring out of your
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stomach, out of your
intestines into your blood
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stream. And if the
blood becomes stagnate during
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that period of time, it
tends to slug up and that
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decreases the oxygen
and nutrients to the disc.
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Also walking as it
pumps the disc helps to move
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nutrients in and out of
the disc, further if you are
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walking out in the open
air; you have a lot higher
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oxygen in your
bloodstream. And as the oxygen
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that were trying to
get to these discs, to get
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these cells active
again, pumped up and fluffy.
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Pumped up and fluffy,
so that they end up healing
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any damage done to the
disc and that they also
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remove irritations,
waste products. So, why no oil
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or sugar for
breakfast. Oils and sugar.
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I usually have my
oatmeal and my brown sugar,
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so why did you
take that away from me?
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Well, because I'm
mean. No, really because the
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sugar in the diet.
You know, we won't created
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the sugar, you have to
go look in for the sugar in
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order to find it the way
you find is you have to boil
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down a whole bunch
of sugarcane or beets or
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something and then you
make this white chemical
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looking stuff that's
granular and you put in your
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food is not really good
for it. We can talk a lot
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about that, but
sugar when it gets in the
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bloodstream does a
couple of things, one when
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you eat high glycemic
index foods that is foods that
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have a lot of sugar.
Foods that put a lot of
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sugar in the
bloodstream fast; it creates the
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environment for sugar to
stick to proteins permanently.
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We called it glycosylation.
When the sugar sticks
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to the vessels that
surround the disc, then the disc
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cannot get nutrients
because the nutrients can't
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go by the sugar barrier.
When the sugar gets high
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in the bloodstream it
sticks to the red blood
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cells and they become
stuck together or what
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we called glycosylated,
hemoglobin A1C is what we
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called it and you can
test for it, but when you get
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these, the sugar
sticking all over everything
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pretty soon blood cells
stick to the sides of blood
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vessels, the sugar
doesn't allow nutrients to pass
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from the blood cell to the
blood vessel to the adjacent
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tissues. It's a big
problem, further the blood cells
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all stick together,
it becomes stacked up,
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the affect we called a
Rulo effect. Rulo. Rulo
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is kind of a French
word, its kind a like that,
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I like. Roulette, like
Roulette. Well, I don't know
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about that's right, but
anyway the cells all stick
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together in a stack
and they won't make it
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through the
capillaries like they should.
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So, you have, you gave
him the water, you gave him
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this diet with no
sugar, but also no fat,
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no oils you said. That's
right; oils have the same
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affect of sugars of
causing the cells to all
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stack together. Okay,
so they make it viscous and
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doesn't get the oxygen
or other nutrients there.
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That's right. Okay,
well I want to see what
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happens with this
man. And I'm sure everybody
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else does too. So,
when we comeback we are
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gonna talk about the
vitamin C and about some of
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these other things
you have talked about and
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then I think it's
gonna be a good result.
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Maybe we can go through
that list again too when
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we comeback because
people out there, they are
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beginning to
understand they say, may I wanna
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make that list and
say, I'm gonna try that for
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one week. We hope you
can join us when we comeback.
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Welcome back we
have been talking with
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Dr. John Clark, we are
talking about low back pain,
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it afflicts many
Americans 20% this year and 80%
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at sometime during
their lifetime and it is a
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huge problem in the
workplace, it's workmen's
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comp number one
thing that people complain
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about or that leads
to those work comp claim,
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so I'm sure that there
is a lot of occupational
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medicine doctors and
what not the see a lot
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of this, but you do too
as an orthopedic surgeon.
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That's right. And we
have been talking about
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this man that came
in and you, he was about
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ready to call it quits in
his early 50s, gets in his
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teens, was the stock
person who couldn't really
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make it, was wondering
what he was gonna do and
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you said, hey are you
willing to try something for a
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week and then you
outlined this program he was
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going through, which is
basically. Well, I think
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we have a list of it.
We can look through it and
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summarize it again. And
we will look at that list
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and then we will catch
up to what we were and we
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were looking at some
of these different areas
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that you were talking
about we will pick that up
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again. So, if you had that
list we will look at it and
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we will, we will see
what your recommendation was.
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For breakfast, I think
it was you said wake up in
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the morning, two
glasses of water when you get
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up. Upon arising. Then
breakfast plain oatmeal,
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you can put a few
dates in it if you want it,
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but no sugar we talked
about why? Vitamin C 500 mg
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and then for lunch. I
think he walked right after
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breakfast as well too,
isn't that correct? Yes.
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And then you could
drink a couple of glasses
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after, after, after
breakfast sometime there couple
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of hours afterwards. In
lunch, vegetables of any
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kind raw preferred no
oils or different things on
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them, we talked about
why? You would want to put
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it that on them.
Vitamin C 500 mg and then right
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after the meal walk again,
so that all those vitamins
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and nutrients could
get out there. And then two
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glasses of water mid
morning or this would be mid
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afternoon I think,
right after lunch. Supper,
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raw fruit, three hours
before bedtime you want
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them to eat. Again
vitamin C 500 mg, 10 minutes
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walking right after the
meal and then two glasses of
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water, two hours
after supper and then at
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bedtime, no coffee,
tea, sodas, alcohol, tobacco
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generally no eating between
meals, drink ice water if
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you get hungry in
between the meals because
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it kind a just sterns
the stomach. I guess and take
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that's away, is that
right, is that a fair summary?
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That's a fair summary
Don. Okay, so now we were
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talking about you know,
we talked about the water,
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we talked about why
no sugar, why no oil,
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but vitamin C you are
getting them 1500 mg a day.
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You know, what's the
purpose with that, isn't the
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water soluble or they
just urinating out all the
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vitamin C. That's a good
question Don and, you know,
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I didn't give it to him
all in the morning. Okay.
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Or at night because
your body can only absorb
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about so much vitamin
C at a time anyway and
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500 mg is about you can
handle. Now, vitamin C has
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a number of
beneficial effects for the back.
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It's actually been
written up in some medical
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articles. But the vitamin
C is important to collagen
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healing. It's an important
vitamin to help the collagen
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to repair in
actually making the collagen.
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Also vitamin C is an
acid; ascorbic acid it's a
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lot like aspirin in a
sense that it's an acid,
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it actually thins the
blood a little bit like aspirin
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too, which helps the
circulation to some of these
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discs that we
talked about that only have
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circulation to their
outer edges. So, it works on
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the collagen area as well
vitamin C? Yeah, it's very
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important for collagen
synthesis. So, 500 mg any
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particular kind, just
any kind you get? Yeah,
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pick your favorite one.
Okay, you tell him to walk
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for 10 minutes after
each meal, I think that's,
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that's an
elimination nourishment cycle.
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That's right, you
know, the whole body works on
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cycles. You know,
as we said, don't eat
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between meals
either. Your body is made to
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work on cycles, your
heart pumps and as you walk
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you know, you don't go
on roller skates and roll
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you actually pump
your whole body, isn't that
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interesting? It pumps
blood up from your feet
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to walk on your feet.
There is a lot of aspects
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about movement that
your body benefits from.
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In this case, we want
you to move so the disc
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pumps and it actually
does pump, they have done
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studies, large molecules
like nutrients don't make
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it into the disc very
well unless the disc because
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it actually being
pumped. And so the walk helps
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with that, not only that
the walk is important for
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increasing the oxygen
in your bloodstream and
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that's important for
your disc. So, action is
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really a law of life.
That's right. You've got to be
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on the move. Okay, so
these things seem very
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simple obvious, but they
are really quite significant
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when we looked at
them, they really, there is
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really some anatomy
and also physiology by
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how the body works
here that where these
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principles are built
on, this wasn't just some
00:20:14.66\00:20:16.19
flipped remark to
someone that was trying to
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get workmen's comp, this
was really trying to help
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them. Oh! That's
right, that's exactly right,
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you know, as we
said each supper at least
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three hours before
bedtime. Right. And eat only
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fruit, you see when a
person eats a large heavy
00:20:27.90\00:20:32.51
meal late at night it
really keeps the whole
00:20:32.63\00:20:36.44
system stuffed up all
night. And so the discs
00:20:36.70\00:20:40.56
again suffer because
the system is slugged up
00:20:40.59\00:20:43.53
with food particles
and nutrients that are
00:20:43.68\00:20:46.30
overloaded and,
and everything is going
00:20:46.52\00:20:49.79
slowly and the discs
aren't happy with that,
00:20:50.01\00:20:54.68
your body spends all
night trying to digest the
00:20:55.28\00:20:57.79
food and it doesn't
have that cycling of food
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and then rest, food and
then rest. Also none of us,
00:21:02.31\00:21:05.70
we picked foods that
were all natural that
00:21:06.06\00:21:08.48
would have their fiber
with them. Lot of people
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gets low back pain
because they have a
00:21:11.37\00:21:13.06
load of food in their
stomach that is three days
00:21:13.13\00:21:15.00
old and is putting
enough toxins and you know the
00:21:15.16\00:21:18.18
stomach is very
close to the back. And you
00:21:18.52\00:21:21.96
end up with these
pains; some back pain is just
00:21:22.03\00:21:24.57
pain from the
abdomen. Now, you talked about
00:21:24.72\00:21:27.66
no snacking, no coffee,
no caffeinated type things
00:21:28.19\00:21:31.49
or sodas between
meals. That's right, you see
00:21:32.25\00:21:36.52
when we talk about
these discs, the discs aren't
00:21:37.07\00:21:40.39
that important to the
body when they body is
00:21:40.86\00:21:43.25
worried about fight or
flight, if you are worried
00:21:43.53\00:21:46.72
about fight or flight,
the body wants the blood
00:21:46.89\00:21:49.57
reserve approach the
body that are very important
00:21:49.78\00:21:53.54
the brain, the heart,
you know, different things
00:21:53.99\00:21:56.19
like that. And it
shunts blood away from the
00:21:56.31\00:22:00.26
discs. This also
happens, if you have a lot
00:22:00.39\00:22:03.48
of stress in your
life. The stress will tend
00:22:03.51\00:22:06.45
to tell the discs to
shut down the blood to them.
00:22:06.50\00:22:10.92
The way this works is
through the sympathetic,
00:22:11.78\00:22:13.56
parasympathetic nervous systems.
00:22:14.09\00:22:15.68
People who are
under more stress tend to
00:22:16.24\00:22:17.83
have more back pain.
People who have a lot
00:22:17.86\00:22:20.41
of issues in their life
that they are dealing with
00:22:20.47\00:22:22.19
will have more back
pain. I used to have a
00:22:22.71\00:22:24.21
student from a Local
University, who had come
00:22:25.05\00:22:27.59
to me for his back
pain every test week.
00:22:27.71\00:22:30.64
And it point toward
the back pain he was in,
00:22:31.31\00:22:33.34
and after a couple
returns I started ask him,
00:22:34.15\00:22:36.73
what's happening this
week, oh! It's test week.
00:22:36.94\00:22:39.04
And I started picking
up that this was a stress
00:22:39.73\00:22:41.82
related phenomenon.
Part of taking a walk in
00:22:41.97\00:22:45.52
the outdoors after
each meal is about relieving
00:22:45.55\00:22:48.72
stress. So, you tell
this guy never to take tests
00:22:48.87\00:22:51.30
or what? Well, I don't
think it would have work;
00:22:51.37\00:22:55.09
there is something's
you can't tell people,
00:22:55.48\00:22:56.88
won't you. You know,
that's an interesting point
00:22:57.43\00:22:59.38
you bring up though
because in I think in Psalm
00:22:59.47\00:23:01.34
32, when David was
having the terrible problems
00:23:01.43\00:23:04.99
that he had brought
upon himself by having a
00:23:05.10\00:23:08.32
relationship with so
many he shouldn't have
00:23:08.36\00:23:09.47
had. He said, you
know, when I kept silent my
00:23:09.59\00:23:12.11
bones growl throughout
my groaning all the day
00:23:12.36\00:23:15.13
you know. That was
interesting. And the hand
00:23:15.18\00:23:16.62
was heavy upon me,
so for about a year I
00:23:16.91\00:23:19.51
guess we figured
out you know, Psalm 32
00:23:19.58\00:23:22.45
coupled with Psalm
51, we realize that he was
00:23:22.74\00:23:25.48
really going through
that, so he was experiencing
00:23:25.65\00:23:27.53
probably low back
pain at least some kind of
00:23:28.24\00:23:30.08
pain in his bones
because of that. That's right,
00:23:30.29\00:23:33.87
you know, studies
have shown that people who
00:23:33.92\00:23:36.16
are under stress especially
if the stress is related
00:23:36.27\00:23:39.94
to childhood abuse
have a higher incidence of
00:23:40.11\00:23:43.29
low back pain. That's
right, so like you know,
00:23:43.51\00:23:45.79
you got your
firemen, let's say, you know,
00:23:45.95\00:23:49.81
I have got a friend who
is a chapel for firemen,
00:23:50.24\00:23:51.89
I used to be a
paramedic and everything,
00:23:52.13\00:23:54.18
these people are under
terrible stress, but they
00:23:54.41\00:23:56.11
also have all kinds of
back problems, we usually
00:23:56.18\00:23:58.51
associated just with the
kind of lifting their joint,
00:23:58.66\00:24:01.38
but we are suggesting
is it could be actually
00:24:01.50\00:24:03.59
related to the
stress itself. That's right,
00:24:03.72\00:24:06.68
you know, we have
people who injure their
00:24:06.86\00:24:08.53
backs and are being
lifelong involute. Well,
00:24:08.77\00:24:12.88
that's interesting
because bones heal in the
00:24:12.92\00:24:15.07
matter of weeks, ligaments
tendons and joints heal
00:24:15.23\00:24:19.22
in a matter of
you know, few months,
00:24:19.28\00:24:21.32
well why are they
spending the rest of the
00:24:21.69\00:24:23.37
life with pain. So,
this man he was like,
00:24:23.67\00:24:26.73
you have given him
like a seven day test,
00:24:27.08\00:24:29.04
you went quite
Daniel one with the 10 days,
00:24:29.16\00:24:30.82
test but your seven day
test with kind of Daniel's
00:24:30.94\00:24:34.13
diet here, what
happened when he came back
00:24:34.54\00:24:37.26
to your office, was
he, what were the results?
00:24:37.60\00:24:42.12
Well, you know, I
thought he would leave and
00:24:42.46\00:24:44.59
just go home and
say, Oh fooly, what's that
00:24:44.68\00:24:46.82
doctor think that he is
a nut, well anyway he went
00:24:47.03\00:24:49.96
home and he was gone
and he came back in a week
00:24:50.19\00:24:53.53
and as he walked down
the hall, I tried to watch
00:24:53.60\00:24:56.96
him, to see what. His
gait was like. What his gait
00:24:56.99\00:25:00.20
was like and I can't
tell a whole lot, he was,
00:25:00.36\00:25:02.35
was like and I can't
tell a whole lot, he was,
00:25:02.38\00:25:03.35
you know, he is kind a
hit his feelings well and I
00:25:03.36\00:25:05.19
just couldn't tell I was
thinking okay well. Get out
00:25:05.22\00:25:08.05
the disability papers.
Well, he came in, he sat
00:25:08.08\00:25:10.99
down and says, well so
how do you go, he said,
00:25:11.15\00:25:14.44
you know, within
three days, I could tell a
00:25:14.57\00:25:17.85
dramatic difference, I
no longer had that died
00:25:17.98\00:25:22.23
heavy tired feeling in
my back, but you know I
00:25:22.73\00:25:25.79
peed an awful lot.
You know, I ended up
00:25:26.12\00:25:27.96
drinking a lot of ice
water because I was always
00:25:28.03\00:25:30.32
hungry because I'm
used to eating between meals
00:25:30.40\00:25:33.49
and he says, I didn't
feel a lot, but during breaks
00:25:34.14\00:25:37.08
I was wide awake
when everybody else was
00:25:37.57\00:25:39.57
asleep. And he says, I
had no trouble on my jobs,
00:25:39.94\00:25:43.98
stocking shelves, he
says, this is just you know,
00:25:44.11\00:25:46.41
great thank you so
much. Is that right?
00:25:46.57\00:25:48.96
So, just one week, this
is definitely worth to try,
00:25:49.49\00:25:52.22
Isn't it? it's definitely
worth to try, you know,
00:25:52.38\00:25:54.26
one week you think
what happened after
00:25:54.55\00:25:55.95
that three months
later, I went to that
00:25:56.16\00:25:58.32
department store
where he works and there
00:25:58.49\00:26:01.33
he was pushing a
big cart with a bunch of
00:26:01.37\00:26:03.16
boxes and i said,
hey! How you are doing?
00:26:03.37\00:26:05.85
And he looked at
me and he says, Oh!
00:26:05.96\00:26:07.54
Dr. Clark, he says, yeah.
Well, I'm doing quite fine
00:26:07.93\00:26:11.77
you know, I'm you
know, I feel better now
00:26:11.85\00:26:14.13
then I have in months.
And he says, I'm staying
00:26:14.20\00:26:16.49
with the program,
there are some other things
00:26:16.52\00:26:18.21
I'm not sticking with
this course I probably should,
00:26:18.44\00:26:20.40
but I'm doing the
exercise, I'm watching my diet,
00:26:20.53\00:26:23.63
and you know thank
you very much. And when
00:26:23.77\00:26:27.31
we left, he says,
you know, God bless you.
00:26:27.37\00:26:29.34
Is that right, well you
know, I want to put that
00:26:30.01\00:26:31.78
list back up because I
think this is worth to try
00:26:31.88\00:26:34.19
people may not
have written it down,
00:26:34.22\00:26:35.52
but I definitely worth
to try it, I mean as we
00:26:35.55\00:26:37.69
putting it up you
know, just briefly comment
00:26:37.76\00:26:41.31
surgeries, if you
just go that row you know,
00:26:42.46\00:26:44.60
you could have said,
well you probably need
00:26:44.82\00:26:45.94
surgery, if you were
like maybe some doctors
00:26:46.08\00:26:49.34
and not all of them
are like that, but some
00:26:49.67\00:26:51.36
maybe would be
saying, alright you need
00:26:51.56\00:26:52.85
surgery because that's,
you know, would take the
00:26:52.95\00:26:55.85
pressure off and
what not. How successful
00:26:55.97\00:26:58.94
are surgeries as a
treatment for low back pain.
00:26:58.99\00:27:01.95
Certain types of
problems with the back need
00:27:03.72\00:27:06.57
surgery, but there is
a lot of excess surgery
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done in our world, it's
because the surgeon gets
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paid by doing surgery
not by telling patients about
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a low fat vegetarian
diet. And so there is
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a lot of, you know,
financial incentive to the
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way our system
works, pain is rewarded and
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that's a whole
another topic to get into,
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but surgery often times
you end up with the patient
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that needs another
surgery and another surgery.
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Okay. And about 50%
of time it does not work.
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So, really this is
not the best option,
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the surgical option it
is just is like catch up
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work really if you go
that way. We have been
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talking with Dr. John Clark,
really helpful information
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for low back pain,
we hope that you try it,
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get that list go
through it, we know that it
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will help you have health
that lasts for a lifetime.
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