The following program presents principles designed 00:00:01.98\00:00:03.55 to promote good health and is not intended to take the 00:00:03.58\00:00:06.45 place of personalized professional care. 00:00:06.48\00:00:08.62 The opinions and ideas 00:00:09.31\00:00:10.31 expressed are those of the speaker. 00:00:10.34\00:00:12.15 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own 00:00:12.89\00:00:14.55 conclusions about the information presented. 00:00:14.68\00:00:16.77 Hello and welcome to Health For A Lifetime. 00:00:50.66\00:00:51.89 I am your host Don Mackintosh. 00:00:52.35\00:00:53.32 We are glad that you joined us today. 00:00:53.33\00:00:54.93 We are going to be talking about the flu. 00:00:54.96\00:00:57.22 Many different types types of flu, 00:00:57.25\00:00:58.68 sometimes it strikes fear in the heart of some, 00:00:58.71\00:01:02.17 but many times throughout the years 00:01:02.20\00:01:04.59 we hear about it especially in the winter months, 00:01:04.62\00:01:07.35 may be getting a flu shot, this or that. 00:01:07.74\00:01:09.59 We are gonna be talking with Dr. David DeRose 00:01:09.62\00:01:11.64 about this exciting and important subject 00:01:11.67\00:01:14.48 and Dr. DeRose you have been 00:01:14.90\00:01:15.99 a physician now for about 20 years. 00:01:16.02\00:01:17.76 That's correct. Specialist in 00:01:17.79\00:01:19.34 Internal Medicine, you've probably seen 00:01:19.37\00:01:20.75 a lot of flu cases over the years. 00:01:21.00\00:01:22.26 You see all kinds of things in Internal Medicine and 00:01:23.02\00:01:25.83 then in Preventive Medicine, 00:01:25.86\00:01:26.93 which is my other boards. I've actually worked 00:01:27.18\00:01:29.42 with immunization strategies for large hospitals system 00:01:29.45\00:01:33.52 at one point in my career, so it was even more 00:01:33.55\00:01:35.52 involved with Influenza in that capacity 00:01:35.55\00:01:38.26 then being in a general practice setting. 00:01:38.54\00:01:41.24 Now you have put all this experience together and 00:01:41.74\00:01:45.59 you have a rather flexible ministry now, 00:01:45.62\00:01:48.71 you are able to do lots of different things, 00:01:48.74\00:01:50.09 you work with different corporations, churches, 00:01:50.12\00:01:52.64 individuals, groups, and you provide a lot of 00:01:52.67\00:01:55.60 education in a lot of different levels, 00:01:55.63\00:01:57.32 professional meetings and also for the loyalty and 00:01:57.35\00:02:00.38 its called compass health, 00:02:00.67\00:02:02.53 and it is compasshealth.net 00:02:02.56\00:02:04.36 That's it, if you want to find 00:02:04.39\00:02:06.40 more information that's all you 00:02:06.94\00:02:07.91 need to remember compasshealth.net 00:02:07.92\00:02:09.47 A lot of free stuff, 00:02:09.50\00:02:10.47 in fact all free stuff on that website. 00:02:10.48\00:02:12.01 Oh! There is a few things you can purchase, 00:02:12.04\00:02:13.69 but most of it is free 00:02:13.72\00:02:15.75 and informational educational material. 00:02:15.78\00:02:18.11 So, we're talking about Avian flu or 00:02:18.97\00:02:22.04 or flu in general, so called Influenza, 00:02:22.07\00:02:25.30 what is it? And how big a problem is it? 00:02:25.75\00:02:27.39 Well it's, I mean it's a good question, 00:02:27.42\00:02:28.85 because I can remember grow, growing up 00:02:28.88\00:02:31.30 that everything was the flu not, not everything 00:02:31.33\00:02:34.01 I'm not speaking of my household in particular, 00:02:34.04\00:02:36.11 but you've heard this, I mean someone said 00:02:36.14\00:02:37.72 well Johnny couldn't come in, 00:02:38.06\00:02:39.03 he's got the stomach flu. 00:02:39.04\00:02:40.01 He is got the stomach flu, he is got the ear flu, 00:02:40.02\00:02:41.83 he is got the nose flu, all kinds of flu. 00:02:41.86\00:02:44.24 Yeah, I mean most people are very nonspecific 00:02:44.27\00:02:47.21 when they use the term flu, it's just like a cold or 00:02:47.24\00:02:49.81 you know colds and flu we often say 00:02:49.84\00:02:51.43 in the same breath. Flu. 00:02:51.46\00:02:53.04 But Influenza is a very serious, 00:02:53.52\00:02:57.61 really viral illness and it is serious for a 00:02:57.64\00:03:00.92 number of reasons, one if you get Influenza 00:03:00.95\00:03:03.11 you're gonna tend to get pretty sick, 00:03:03.14\00:03:06.01 at least if you get the full blown Influenza. 00:03:06.04\00:03:08.22 Throw up, dehydration. Not necessarily, 00:03:08.25\00:03:11.06 now you can, you can get the GI stuff, 00:03:11.09\00:03:13.59 but definitely high fever is classic, cough, 00:03:14.00\00:03:17.89 these are two real hallmarks and then just feeling 00:03:18.73\00:03:21.13 really bad, really wiped out. 00:03:21.16\00:03:23.21 These are probably the three most 00:03:23.24\00:03:24.81 consistent things that we see with Influenza, 00:03:24.84\00:03:26.80 sore throat, the intestinal things. 00:03:26.83\00:03:28.76 Yeah they can be part of the picture. 00:03:28.79\00:03:29.95 I mentioned at the beginning that 00:03:29.98\00:03:31.55 many times we hear about this more 00:03:31.58\00:03:32.55 in the winter months. Why is that? 00:03:32.56\00:03:34.22 Well actually there is a peak, 00:03:34.48\00:03:36.26 there is a spike in Influenza cases 00:03:36.62\00:03:39.63 at least here in the Northern Hemisphere 00:03:39.66\00:03:41.74 during the winter months. 00:03:41.77\00:03:43.21 It appears as a number of reasons for that, 00:03:43.24\00:03:45.20 one actually has to do with the virus itself, 00:03:45.91\00:03:48.21 it does seem to thrive more at colder temperatures, 00:03:48.24\00:03:51.18 but also it has to do with the close proximity 00:03:51.83\00:03:54.81 that we put ourselves into during the winter months. 00:03:55.85\00:03:57.70 We are not outside as much, there is more 00:03:57.73\00:03:59.61 congregating indoors at least that's the take 00:03:59.64\00:04:03.26 from the infectious disease community 00:04:03.29\00:04:04.94 that there is more than one thing happening, 00:04:04.97\00:04:06.91 that then provides an opportunity 00:04:06.94\00:04:09.73 for these Influenza viruses viruses to circulate 00:04:09.76\00:04:12.73 and they are very infectious germs, 00:04:12.76\00:04:15.22 a good example of this is an airplane flight, 00:04:15.25\00:04:17.84 it's actually been studied, if you are on a flight 00:04:17.87\00:04:20.51 for 4-1/2 hours, a long flight okay. 00:04:20.54\00:04:23.64 Yeah. Maybe flying cross country 00:04:23.67\00:04:25.48 whatever and someone on the plane has Influenza 00:04:25.51\00:04:29.01 and they are coughing, 75 percent of the people 00:04:29.04\00:04:32.79 on that plane are going to get Influenza. 00:04:32.82\00:04:35.55 That's what some of the data indicates. 00:04:35.58\00:04:37.35 Is that right? Yeah, 00:04:37.38\00:04:38.62 and this is incredible. 00:04:38.65\00:04:39.62 So, where should you sit on the plane? 00:04:39.86\00:04:40.83 I think there are some other strategies that 00:04:43.03\00:04:44.50 maybe more effective and to get to those 00:04:44.53\00:04:47.13 let me mention an interesting thing, 00:04:47.16\00:04:48.93 a lot of people say I don't need to be 00:04:49.67\00:04:51.60 concerned about Influenza because I never get sick. 00:04:51.63\00:04:54.27 Okay. But there is a problem for 00:04:55.46\00:04:57.75 us as health professionals, clergy 00:04:57.78\00:05:00.88 people that are working with individuals 00:05:01.41\00:05:03.58 are caring for elderly parents. 00:05:03.61\00:05:05.52 why? There is a significant 00:05:06.01\00:05:08.12 percentage of people who when are exposed 00:05:08.15\00:05:10.63 to the Influenza virus, they develop what is called 00:05:10.66\00:05:13.45 an inapparent infection. Inapparent infection, 00:05:13.94\00:05:17.23 they got it, but they don't know it. 00:05:17.26\00:05:18.39 That's right. They actually have the virus, 00:05:18.42\00:05:21.41 they are transmitting the virus when they breath, 00:05:21.44\00:05:23.72 they can transmit it through their hands 00:05:24.44\00:05:26.16 if they rub their nose, whatever the case maybe. 00:05:26.19\00:05:29.66 Shake hands. Shake hands and 00:05:29.69\00:05:32.49 people around them can get the virus from them. 00:05:32.52\00:05:34.96 This is why when I was in hospital 00:05:34.99\00:05:36.77 infectious disease control, we encouraged all our 00:05:36.80\00:05:40.25 employees to get the the flu vaccine 00:05:40.28\00:05:41.62 not for themselves, but especially if 00:05:41.65\00:05:44.05 they are working in the Intensive Care Unit 00:05:44.08\00:05:45.76 they need that vaccine. To protect their patients. 00:05:46.55\00:05:48.95 To protect their patient. So, this is very dangerous, 00:05:48.98\00:05:51.64 how dangerous is it, I mean. To put it in perspective 00:05:51.97\00:05:55.52 you need to recognize that Influenza does not always 00:05:55.55\00:05:59.49 raise its head in the same way, 00:05:59.52\00:06:00.91 Influenza is a fascinating virus and I said 00:06:01.47\00:06:04.68 fascinating because you know, most of us think 00:06:04.71\00:06:07.37 in terms of a virus being one thing we can, 00:06:07.40\00:06:10.57 you know, take a vaccine, develop a vaccine and 00:06:10.60\00:06:13.90 immunize for it. Your kids no doubt 00:06:13.93\00:06:16.73 have probably had some vaccinations done. 00:06:16.76\00:06:19.51 Yes. And so have mine, 00:06:19.54\00:06:21.18 and those vaccines, let's say the vaccine 00:06:22.20\00:06:24.06 was for measles. Measles, mumps, rubella, 00:06:24.09\00:06:27.08 all these. Okay, measles, mumps and 00:06:27.11\00:06:28.51 rubella, all three of those, three different viruses 00:06:28.54\00:06:30.85 they get one shot and all they need is one booster. 00:06:31.47\00:06:34.52 We used to just give one shot. 00:06:34.55\00:06:35.87 So how do we protect them from three viruses. 00:06:36.97\00:06:39.93 I don't know. If one or two shots. 00:06:40.75\00:06:41.74 Never thought about this, how did you do it? 00:06:42.26\00:06:43.66 Well this way and it's not the whole 00:06:43.69\00:06:45.60 question and with Influenza you're supposed 00:06:45.63\00:06:48.32 to get a shot every year. Yeah, how is it? 00:06:48.35\00:06:50.98 What it is, is Influenza is continually changing. 00:06:51.53\00:06:54.45 Morphing. Morphing, good way to 00:06:55.32\00:06:57.01 describe it, okay. Okay. 00:06:57.04\00:06:59.16 Its got these surface projections on the virus, 00:06:59.19\00:07:03.53 there are actually technical names for them, 00:07:04.82\00:07:06.68 but for short we call them 00:07:06.71\00:07:08.11 the H and the N projections. Okay. 00:07:08.14\00:07:10.52 Okay and this has to do with the 00:07:10.55\00:07:14.72 viral characteristics, the H factor has to do 00:07:14.75\00:07:18.42 with its infectivity, its ability to infect 00:07:18.45\00:07:21.48 other cells. Okay. 00:07:21.51\00:07:23.51 And then the N has to do with it's ability to 00:07:23.98\00:07:26.88 release itself from the cells after it takes over 00:07:26.91\00:07:30.61 their genetic capabilities and starts using 00:07:30.64\00:07:35.10 the cells own genetics to make new viruses. 00:07:35.69\00:07:38.68 So, that's how it can all change. 00:07:39.21\00:07:40.54 Yeah, these H and N compounds 00:07:40.57\00:07:42.41 change overtimes especially the H has been 00:07:42.44\00:07:44.35 the most studied, it stands for 00:07:44.38\00:07:46.01 hemagglutinin. This H factor changes overtime, 00:07:46.04\00:07:50.77 it does what we call drifts overtime. 00:07:52.08\00:07:55.67 Drifts into something different. 00:07:55.70\00:07:57.36 Into something different, 00:07:57.39\00:07:58.36 just very gradually, but now why I'm answering 00:07:58.37\00:08:03.03 the question this way Don, if there is just 00:08:03.06\00:08:04.92 a little drift and change from one year 00:08:04.95\00:08:07.98 to the next, which is typical, 00:08:08.01\00:08:09.44 if you are exposed to Influenza next year. 00:08:10.41\00:08:13.16 Okay. The immunity you had 00:08:14.04\00:08:15.59 this year will be partially protective. 00:08:15.62\00:08:17.94 So, it doesn't totally go away, but it's not 00:08:18.86\00:08:21.49 gonna totally do this up. Yes, you're not likely to 00:08:21.52\00:08:23.66 get a severe Influenza case being a healthy young man 00:08:23.69\00:08:26.56 like you are. Thank you. 00:08:26.59\00:08:28.27 Okay. Okay, Good. 00:08:28.30\00:08:29.65 Now If you were debilitated in all, 00:08:29.68\00:08:31.95 that's a different story and that's why we urge 00:08:32.86\00:08:34.48 people that have chronic medical conditions 00:08:34.51\00:08:36.92 or if they are have immune compromise or if they are 00:08:38.16\00:08:40.88 in crowded situations with lots of 00:08:40.94\00:08:42.66 susceptible people like in a nursing home 00:08:42.80\00:08:45.03 environment, that these people have a priority 00:08:45.06\00:08:47.86 when we're immunizing for Influenza each year. 00:08:48.05\00:08:50.41 I've just told you about the drift though, 00:08:51.49\00:08:53.08 there is something else that happens with Influenza 00:08:53.81\00:08:55.53 viruses, bigger changes called Shifts that occur. 00:08:55.56\00:08:59.07 Okay. And some of the most 00:08:59.60\00:09:00.57 traumatic Shifts in Influenza would be an 00:09:00.97\00:09:03.41 actual change in the whole type of the H and N factors 00:09:03.44\00:09:10.06 So if it was H1N1 and it moved to H3H4 00:09:10.85\00:09:14.25 that's totally different. That would be 00:09:14.28\00:09:15.28 totally different. That's not a Shift that's 00:09:15.31\00:09:17.41 a leap or whatever you call. You may call it a Shift 00:09:17.44\00:09:21.08 instead of a drift or you have a dramatic change 00:09:21.11\00:09:24.37 and so the. The body is not ready 00:09:25.15\00:09:26.66 at all. The body is not ready 00:09:26.91\00:09:27.88 for it and what we've been seeing historically over 00:09:27.98\00:09:30.71 the last several decades we have been seeing H1N1 00:09:31.09\00:09:34.00 that's one variety and the other variety we have been 00:09:34.30\00:09:36.51 seeing is H3N2, we have been seeing variations on that. 00:09:36.54\00:09:40.08 What people are getting very concerned about is the 00:09:40.84\00:09:43.96 emergency of another pattern, which is H5N1. 00:09:44.23\00:09:48.64 H5N1, so that's totally different. 00:09:49.05\00:09:50.85 Totally different, still Influenza virus, 00:09:51.05\00:09:53.32 but these different surface projections. 00:09:53.84\00:09:55.69 And so there is no real way to fight against it. 00:09:55.96\00:09:58.54 We don't have the immunity developed against H5N1. 00:09:59.01\00:10:01.93 So is this why, you know, during 1918 around 00:10:02.14\00:10:05.90 that time they had the so called swine's flu 00:10:05.93\00:10:08.34 that was a totally different H1N, H and N projection. 00:10:08.37\00:10:13.49 Yeah, this is very interesting. 00:10:13.52\00:10:14.76 And I don't know where they get 00:10:15.50\00:10:16.57 these specimens from. I haven't looked 00:10:16.60\00:10:18.70 into this, but supposedly and 00:10:18.73\00:10:20.61 you know its coming from reputable scientific sources. 00:10:21.43\00:10:23.58 They are actually specimens that date back to 1918, 00:10:23.61\00:10:27.01 this great flu epidemic killed 21 million people, 00:10:27.04\00:10:29.51 that was what we call a pandemic. 00:10:30.41\00:10:31.99 That was huge. It was huge, 00:10:32.59\00:10:33.62 sweeping the whole world something like 00:10:33.65\00:10:34.80 500,000 deaths here in the Unites States. 00:10:34.83\00:10:37.32 All traced to the pigs. Well, the interesting 00:10:37.35\00:10:40.20 thing about this Don is when they've looked at these, 00:10:40.23\00:10:42.45 the first day, when they looked at these 00:10:42.48\00:10:44.08 specimens they were saying it were H1N1, 00:10:44.11\00:10:46.04 now some of the latest stuff that's come out 00:10:47.32\00:10:48.82 its saying that this was an avian flu. 00:10:48.85\00:10:51.35 Avian, it wasn't the pigs. It wasn't the pigs, 00:10:52.25\00:10:53.87 it was an H5N1, but the pigs maybe 00:10:54.63\00:10:56.17 part of the story. Well, okay 00:10:56.20\00:10:57.95 how did the pigs factor end? You know, its very 00:10:57.98\00:10:59.85 interesting, you and I have studied some of the 00:10:59.88\00:11:02.78 Biblical counsel about health. 00:11:02.81\00:11:04.42 Don't eat pigs. Don't eat pigs. 00:11:04.45\00:11:06.45 And don't eat most birds. But, you know, 00:11:06.48\00:11:07.95 I think about it, if the whole world was 00:11:07.98\00:11:10.99 following God's counsel about pig not being 00:11:11.02\00:11:15.70 a consumption item. How many pigs you think 00:11:16.49\00:11:19.21 there be in the world? Probably a lot more 00:11:19.24\00:11:22.05 than they are now. A lot of more than 00:11:22.08\00:11:23.71 they are now, because people wouldn't be 00:11:23.74\00:11:25.07 eating them or what. 00:11:25.10\00:11:26.07 Right, 'cause people wouldn't be eating them. 00:11:27.91\00:11:29.28 Well, I mean sure there will be more pigs 00:11:29.31\00:11:31.05 in the wild, but most of the pigs 00:11:31.08\00:11:33.89 that we have got today are domestic pigs. 00:11:33.92\00:11:35.91 Okay, we just say, they have many farms. 00:11:35.94\00:11:38.38 Exactly. Alright, it's interesting 00:11:38.41\00:11:40.22 right, so there be a lot less pigs 00:11:40.25\00:11:42.31 and they'd be in the wild roaming around. 00:11:42.34\00:11:44.46 So let's, let me come to the scenario with you 00:11:44.49\00:11:46.43 because we are talking here about H5N1, 00:11:46.46\00:11:49.28 this is the so called avian flu. 00:11:49.31\00:11:50.88 Right. That's been getting a lot of 00:11:50.91\00:11:52.24 attention since 1997 or so when we started seeing 00:11:52.27\00:11:56.50 these outbreaks in Asia, people who are in close 00:11:56.53\00:11:59.70 proximity to birds getting the so called avian flu, 00:11:59.73\00:12:02.20 H5N1. This particular virus up 00:12:03.08\00:12:08.07 through like 2005, no human transmission 00:12:08.10\00:12:12.87 of significance, only if they are in close 00:12:14.09\00:12:16.34 proximity to birds, a few household contacts 00:12:17.12\00:12:20.33 getting it from another human, but very, very 00:12:21.44\00:12:23.99 difficult to transmit human to human. 00:12:24.02\00:12:26.08 No potential in the avian flu virus 00:12:26.11\00:12:30.02 to cause a pandemic. Okay, then what happened? 00:12:30.05\00:12:33.00 Coming back to 1918. With the pigs. 00:12:33.69\00:12:36.13 With the pigs and with the pigs today. 00:12:36.16\00:12:38.22 One of the theories with how avian flu can morph 00:12:39.49\00:12:42.83 into a virus that can then effect humans is there 00:12:43.82\00:12:47.15 some type of third host. A pig. 00:12:47.18\00:12:50.64 Like a pig that is susceptible to both human 00:12:51.30\00:12:54.23 Influenza virus and avian Influenza virus. 00:12:54.26\00:12:58.27 That mixes them together. That's right, 00:12:58.30\00:12:59.27 it get's a co-infection or somehow transmission, 00:12:59.28\00:13:02.27 a viral material and worldwide you come out 00:13:02.30\00:13:05.80 with a virus its susceptible for 00:13:05.83\00:13:08.26 human to human transmission. And then someone eats 00:13:08.29\00:13:10.75 the pig and they get it. 00:13:10.78\00:13:12.14 Well, presumably its transmitted aerosol 00:13:12.17\00:13:14.94 route, not only by eating the pig. 00:13:14.97\00:13:16.66 Interesting, so that brings those two together. 00:13:17.29\00:13:19.93 So, is there, you know, there is more and more 00:13:19.96\00:13:23.36 interest in this bird flu and sometimes people would 00:13:23.39\00:13:26.44 call that a scare tactic, some people would say 00:13:26.47\00:13:29.79 hey, its but you are saying there is really something 00:13:29.82\00:13:32.32 to be concerned about. 00:13:32.35\00:13:33.32 Oh no this is, this is a legitimate concern 00:13:33.33\00:13:35.15 and we need to talk about some practical 00:13:35.18\00:13:36.91 things on these matters. Well, we're talking 00:13:37.75\00:13:39.97 with Dr. David DeRose, we're are talking about flu, 00:13:40.00\00:13:42.21 different types of flu and now he's described to us 00:13:42.64\00:13:45.89 some of the mechanics of how flu is both produced, 00:13:46.80\00:13:51.76 the different viruses and now we are gonna talk 00:13:51.95\00:13:54.58 in the second segment about how we can avoid it 00:13:54.61\00:13:56.88 and I think you would be very interested in that 00:13:56.91\00:13:58.91 as well join us. 00:13:58.94\00:14:00.03 Have you found yourself wishing that you could 00:14:00.06\00:14:03.79 shed a few pounds, have you been on a diet 00:14:03.82\00:14:06.36 for most of your life, but not found anything 00:14:06.39\00:14:08.76 that will really keep the weight off, 00:14:08.79\00:14:10.20 if you have answered yes to any of these questions 00:14:11.22\00:14:13.35 then we have a solution for you that works 00:14:13.38\00:14:15.88 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 00:14:16.66\00:14:18.97 have written a marvelous book that's called 00:14:19.00\00:14:21.06 Reversing Obesity Naturally and we would like to send 00:14:21.09\00:14:24.37 it to you free of charge, 00:14:24.40\00:14:25.72 here's a medically sound approach, successfully 00:14:26.69\00:14:28.84 used by thousands, who were able to eat more 00:14:28.87\00:14:30.97 and lose weight permanently without feeling guilty 00:14:31.00\00:14:34.12 or hungry through my experiments. 00:14:34.15\00:14:36.15 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington 00:14:37.05\00:14:38.14 have been featured on 3ABN and in this booklet 00:14:38.17\00:14:41.53 they present a sensible approach to eating 00:14:41.56\00:14:43.66 nutrition and lifestyle changes that can 00:14:43.69\00:14:46.24 prevent heart disease, diabetes and even cancer. 00:14:46.27\00:14:49.22 Call her right today for your for your free copy 00:14:49.98\00:14:51.54 of our Reversing Obesity Natural 00:14:51.57\00:14:53.44 and you could be on your way to a healthier, 00:14:53.84\00:14:55.67 happier you, it's absolutely 00:14:55.70\00:14:57.68 free of charge, so call our line today. 00:14:57.71\00:15:00.09 Welcome back we are talking with Dr. David DeRose, 00:15:03.32\00:15:06.53 he is a physician in Southern Oklahoma 00:15:07.14\00:15:08.78 and you have a ministry called Compass Health. 00:15:08.81\00:15:10.73 A lot of the different things that you produce, 00:15:11.54\00:15:13.54 you are always doing ongoing research, 00:15:14.10\00:15:15.56 you are always coming up with new presentations 00:15:15.59\00:15:18.30 based on the needs of people around the world. 00:15:18.33\00:15:20.95 And this is one of the needs, people are really 00:15:20.98\00:15:23.02 concerned about flu, but more specifically 00:15:23.05\00:15:25.64 bird flu because it's now been transmitted 00:15:26.45\00:15:29.47 I guess in some places in Asia and 00:15:29.50\00:15:31.21 maybe other places I don't know at the airing 00:15:31.24\00:15:33.33 of this program, what will be true, 00:15:33.36\00:15:34.82 but it's been gone from birds somehow to humans 00:15:34.85\00:15:38.03 and this is causing great concern. 00:15:38.06\00:15:39.56 Yes, but remember what's happened 00:15:39.59\00:15:42.17 you know up through, you know, 1997, '98, '99, 00:15:42.75\00:15:46.20 up to 2005 is this transmission 00:15:46.23\00:15:48.70 was just going to people who were handling the 00:15:48.73\00:15:51.83 birds predominantly, very rare exceptions, 00:15:51.86\00:15:54.84 but very high fatality rates. 00:15:54.87\00:15:56.81 We're talking like 50 percent of the people 00:15:56.84\00:15:58.95 who are getting this H5N1 through this intimate 00:15:58.98\00:16:01.70 contact with birds that are actually succumbing 00:16:01.73\00:16:04.55 to the illness, so very serious 00:16:04.58\00:16:06.07 and that's why earlier in the program 00:16:06.69\00:16:07.92 we talked about how bad Influenza was. 00:16:07.95\00:16:10.15 Yes, you may have had Influenza last year. 00:16:11.21\00:16:13.32 But it morphs, it changes. That's right. 00:16:14.16\00:16:16.04 If you're expose to the H5N1 if that somehow 00:16:16.75\00:16:20.17 morphs into something that just goes between 00:16:20.20\00:16:23.21 birds pretty much right now, into something that 00:16:23.24\00:16:26.44 readily can go from human to human. 00:16:26.47\00:16:28.29 We are talking about having a 00:16:28.82\00:16:30.31 worldwide pandemic. This is gonna sweep 00:16:30.34\00:16:32.32 through populations because we don't have immunity 00:16:32.35\00:16:36.33 to this form of virus 00:16:36.36\00:16:37.79 Umm! So, it's totally different than like say 00:16:37.82\00:16:40.64 you get your measles, mumps, rubella, 00:16:40.67\00:16:42.30 which once you see it, your body sees it. 00:16:42.33\00:16:44.55 It is always ready to attack but this is always 00:16:44.58\00:16:47.03 changing that's right. That's right. That's right. 00:16:47.06\00:16:48.79 Morphing and that's why there is a concern. 00:16:48.82\00:16:50.36 So, vaccinations, flu shots and people be getting 00:16:50.39\00:16:53.94 but they, will they help or they are not 00:16:53.97\00:16:55.96 even really related? 00:16:55.99\00:16:56.96 Well, right now, we don't have a flu shot 00:16:56.99\00:16:59.16 for the H5N1 variety. Which is the avian flu? 00:16:59.19\00:17:02.88 This is the, the avian flu. And part of the reason 00:17:02.91\00:17:05.50 for that at least from my looking end, and again 00:17:05.53\00:17:07.66 I am not an infectious disease expert, 00:17:07.69\00:17:09.52 I am not a virologist. So, I am looking at this 00:17:09.55\00:17:12.58 through the eyes of an internal medicine and 00:17:12.61\00:17:14.38 preventive medicine physician, looking, 00:17:14.41\00:17:16.06 you know, at the literature what appears to really be 00:17:16.09\00:17:19.00 be the problem is we don't have a target yet 00:17:19.03\00:17:21.23 because we don't have a virus that has mutated 00:17:21.93\00:17:26.02 if you will or transformed or morphed or whatever 00:17:26.05\00:17:29.44 into a humanly transmissible form. 00:17:29.47\00:17:31.54 There is not really a practical reason to make 00:17:32.13\00:17:34.36 an vaccine right now, to try to counter 00:17:34.39\00:17:37.92 the avian virus, it is, because this is not 00:17:38.52\00:17:40.88 posing a human threat. That's not the virus 00:17:40.91\00:17:43.03 that we need to vaccine to, you see my point. 00:17:43.06\00:17:45.02 So, what we, what we need it to? 00:17:45.05\00:17:47.19 Well, the problem is we're only going to know 00:17:47.22\00:17:50.74 what the perfect vaccine is for the virus that's being 00:17:51.89\00:17:56.60 transmitted from human to human 00:17:56.63\00:17:57.89 once that virus emerges. Okay, so, right now 00:17:58.42\00:18:01.35 it's only been transmitted in rare cases from 00:18:01.38\00:18:03.63 birds to humans, but has never gone 00:18:03.81\00:18:05.13 from human to human. 00:18:05.16\00:18:06.18 Rare cases gone from human to human maybe 00:18:06.47\00:18:08.81 150 cases most of them. Why can't they take 00:18:09.57\00:18:11.10 those rare cases and figure out what the vaccine 00:18:11.13\00:18:13.13 should be based on that. 00:18:13.16\00:18:14.13 Because we're not worried about that virus right now 00:18:14.14\00:18:16.37 as far as causing a pandemic, 00:18:16.40\00:18:17.95 you don't need to be immunized right now Don, 00:18:17.98\00:18:20.51 against the H5N1 because, because the death of some 00:18:20.54\00:18:24.52 poor woman in Vietnam. Because we don't have 00:18:24.55\00:18:27.06 that virus here and that virus is not gonna 00:18:27.09\00:18:30.02 circulate around the globe because it doesn't have 00:18:30.05\00:18:31.70 that potential. I mean that's my best way 00:18:31.73\00:18:33.98 of reading a literature I understand that people 00:18:34.01\00:18:37.21 are working on H5N1 viruses in fact. 00:18:37.24\00:18:40.63 Any new vaccinations. Yeah, they were working on, 00:18:41.94\00:18:44.48 they are looking at all the possible forms of H5N1 00:18:45.48\00:18:48.93 and they are trying to develop vaccines that 00:18:48.96\00:18:51.96 counter each one. So, in case one of those is 00:18:51.99\00:18:57.32 what begins effecting humans in a pandemic way, 00:18:57.35\00:19:00.81 they have got these vaccines developed, 00:19:01.51\00:19:03.54 at least that sounds like one of the strategies 00:19:03.57\00:19:05.37 from my readings of some of the summary materials. 00:19:05.40\00:19:08.14 Okay, so we don't have anything to really worry 00:19:08.80\00:19:12.93 about for sure on that right now, 00:19:12.96\00:19:15.17 but in a general sense, how could we, is there 00:19:15.20\00:19:18.23 anyway to protect ourselves against the new strain. 00:19:18.26\00:19:20.23 Well, let's talk about, let's say it happens, 00:19:20.26\00:19:22.13 Okay. let's say as this 00:19:22.16\00:19:23.58 show is airing, you know, just the program before 00:19:23.61\00:19:27.50 that was live, they had someone on saying, 00:19:27.53\00:19:29.96 you know, we have just had a thousand people 00:19:29.99\00:19:31.79 dying in our town for the second day in a row 00:19:31.82\00:19:34.99 from avian flu, H5N1 is here 00:19:35.02\00:19:37.46 and now people are watching this prerecorded show, 00:19:38.00\00:19:40.50 what can they do, you wanna give them 00:19:41.05\00:19:42.19 that message. The first thing is get 00:19:42.22\00:19:44.47 whatever immunization you can against Influenza. 00:19:44.50\00:19:47.24 Umm! Even though the H3N2s, 00:19:47.48\00:19:52.12 the H1N1s may not provide a large degree 00:19:52.15\00:19:55.78 of protection, they may provide some. 00:19:55.81\00:19:58.33 And every little bit helps. 00:19:58.36\00:19:59.85 Yes, and beyond that they are gonna prevent you 00:20:00.26\00:20:02.66 from co-infection because you can get 00:20:02.69\00:20:04.85 both H5N1 and an H3N2 at the same time, 00:20:05.63\00:20:09.69 theoretically. Okay. 00:20:10.14\00:20:11.14 Okay, so get the vaccination and especially if you are 00:20:11.17\00:20:15.00 in a high risk population, if you got asthma, 00:20:15.03\00:20:17.50 if you got chronic lung disease, 00:20:17.72\00:20:18.85 if you have heart disease, these would be high risk 00:20:19.46\00:20:21.46 populations over 65, all of the scenarios 00:20:21.49\00:20:25.77 you want to prioritize getting the flu vaccination. 00:20:26.25\00:20:28.36 So, get your flu shot, get your vaccination, 00:20:28.53\00:20:30.89 any medication. Well, there are medications, 00:20:31.13\00:20:33.79 there are anti-viral drugs, there is actually 00:20:33.82\00:20:36.24 four currently available in United States. 00:20:36.27\00:20:38.89 Amantadine and Rimantadine are two of the older drugs 00:20:39.81\00:20:44.13 that are available, these drugs are 00:20:44.16\00:20:46.31 very interesting, it does seem that they have 00:20:46.34\00:20:48.45 role in preventing Influenza outbreaks, 00:20:48.48\00:20:51.27 but if you use a drug let's say in a nursing home 00:20:52.30\00:20:54.54 or in some other closed community, 00:20:54.57\00:20:55.87 if you give someone Amantadine as 00:20:55.90\00:20:58.50 a treatment drug, the Influenza seems to 00:20:58.53\00:21:01.43 rapidly develop resistance to it. 00:21:01.46\00:21:03.34 and the other people taking Amantadine are 00:21:03.37\00:21:05.48 not protected as it does not help them. 00:21:05.51\00:21:07.29 Wow! So, that, that virus is so smart 00:21:07.32\00:21:10.27 so to speak that it changes and 00:21:10.30\00:21:13.27 it kind of knows its environment. 00:21:13.30\00:21:14.91 Exactly, so most people are saying for a variety 00:21:14.94\00:21:18.26 of reasons like that, that Amantadine and Rimantadine 00:21:18.29\00:21:20.73 are not viable strategies when it comes to 00:21:20.76\00:21:23.76 a pandemic of, of the H5N1, but there are 00:21:23.79\00:21:28.32 two other drugs sold under the trade names of Tamiflu 00:21:28.35\00:21:32.04 and Relenza, that are reasonable strategies. 00:21:32.07\00:21:35.85 Tamiflu is an oral drug and Relenza is an inhale drug. 00:21:36.40\00:21:39.56 Umm, and that's why, you know, many countries 00:21:40.15\00:21:43.88 are developing that and they are building places 00:21:43.91\00:21:47.36 that can make more of this just in case. 00:21:47.39\00:21:49.26 Exactly they are really trying to stock pile this, 00:21:49.65\00:21:51.97 especially the Tamiflu, its from a natural plant, 00:21:52.00\00:21:55.05 it is from a plant source and the Relenza is being 00:21:55.85\00:22:00.76 an inhaled drug, it's a little bit more 00:22:00.79\00:22:03.76 cumbersome to use and for people who have 00:22:03.79\00:22:06.27 respiratory problems it may not be the best, 00:22:06.30\00:22:08.99 best route to use because there is some, 00:22:09.86\00:22:12.67 some reports at least of people with Asthma 00:22:12.70\00:22:15.77 or other things having actually some serious 00:22:15.80\00:22:17.74 reactions to inhale one of these medicines. 00:22:17.77\00:22:20.15 So, let's say the vaccines not available to me, 00:22:20.18\00:22:22.31 the drugs are not available to me, 00:22:22.34\00:22:23.96 what should I do? 00:22:23.99\00:22:24.98 Okay, several things, first one is don't wait 00:22:25.01\00:22:27.94 until an outbreak occurs, don't wait for the pandemic, 00:22:27.97\00:22:30.49 that's when you are not gonna be able to get 00:22:31.66\00:22:32.82 the vaccine, that's when you are not 00:22:32.85\00:22:34.09 gonna be able to get the drugs, 00:22:34.12\00:22:35.31 make sure you vaccinate before the pandemic, okay. 00:22:35.34\00:22:37.75 So, if you don't have a vaccine, 00:22:37.78\00:22:38.89 you can't get one and you are saying 00:22:38.92\00:22:40.81 just keep looking until you get one. 00:22:40.84\00:22:43.02 No, what I am saying is that should have 00:22:43.05\00:22:44.35 happened before this discussion. 00:22:44.38\00:22:45.80 Okay. Okay. 00:22:45.83\00:22:46.80 Alright. Now, we are at this point, 00:22:46.81\00:22:48.00 you can't get the vaccine, you can't get the 00:22:48.03\00:22:49.67 oral drugs what you gonna do. 00:22:49.70\00:22:51.18 Right. First thing is hygiene and. 00:22:51.21\00:22:54.82 Clean, wash. Yes, cleanliness 00:22:54.85\00:22:57.51 it's watching your contacts, I mean in other words 00:22:58.34\00:23:02.66 don't go on the cross-country trip 00:23:03.30\00:23:05.60 if there is a, you know, serious Influenza outbreak 00:23:06.21\00:23:10.00 in New York City. Don't get on the plane 00:23:10.03\00:23:11.83 in New York City with all those passengers. 00:23:11.86\00:23:14.36 Cancel your plans, if you're concerned 00:23:14.39\00:23:16.26 about it and you should be concerned about it. 00:23:16.29\00:23:18.01 okay. So that's a hygienic 00:23:18.74\00:23:20.59 measure, sure washing your hands is important, 00:23:20.62\00:23:23.30 but the aerosolized route, that's in the air 00:23:23.60\00:23:26.14 is probably the most efficient way 00:23:26.17\00:23:27.96 that the Influenza virus is transmitted, 00:23:27.99\00:23:30.20 wearing a mask actually can afford protection, 00:23:30.23\00:23:33.42 it's good for the person who has Influenza 00:23:34.06\00:23:35.94 to wear it, but they can be 00:23:35.97\00:23:37.15 transmitting it for a full day before 00:23:37.18\00:23:40.35 they have any symptoms. So if you're concerned 00:23:40.38\00:23:43.40 wear a mask when you're out in public. 00:23:44.54\00:23:46.32 That's why we saw a lot of 00:23:46.35\00:23:47.60 pictures of other countries where this is. 00:23:47.63\00:23:49.19 That's right. That's good, 00:23:49.22\00:23:50.19 they're all wearing masks. In some countries 00:23:50.20\00:23:51.98 that's common practice, here in the United States 00:23:52.01\00:23:54.15 we think it wasn't macho or 00:23:54.18\00:23:55.65 something to be walking around. 00:23:55.68\00:23:56.84 Or they were a burglar or something. 00:23:56.87\00:23:58.16 Yeah, exactly whatever the case may be, 00:23:58.19\00:23:59.99 but I'll tell you something better 00:24:00.02\00:24:01.45 than all that. What's that? 00:24:01.48\00:24:02.50 It's keeping your immune system up. 00:24:02.53\00:24:04.32 And how we do that? Well, there are 00:24:04.35\00:24:05.45 several ways, I mean first of all you 00:24:05.48\00:24:06.89 think about the high risk populations, okay 00:24:06.92\00:24:09.23 One of them are people with chronic obstructive 00:24:09.76\00:24:11.35 lung disease. Cigarette smoking, 00:24:11.38\00:24:13.83 not only causes obstructive lung disease 00:24:13.86\00:24:17.22 like emphysema, but it also lowers the 00:24:17.25\00:24:20.33 resistance in your respiratory tract. 00:24:20.36\00:24:22.02 Sure. If you're concerned 00:24:22.05\00:24:23.61 about avian flu and you're a smoker, 00:24:23.64\00:24:25.94 you need to stop smoking and you don't want 00:24:25.97\00:24:28.26 to wait until the avian flu outbreak is upon us. 00:24:28.29\00:24:33.14 Right. Because it can take 00:24:33.17\00:24:34.74 literally weeks for those little silly or 00:24:34.77\00:24:37.63 those little hairs that clean out the lung system 00:24:37.66\00:24:40.48 to resume normal function or regain function. 00:24:41.02\00:24:45.41 So everything you would do, I mean all the normal 00:24:46.04\00:24:48.19 good things, good nutrition, exercise, not smoking, 00:24:48.22\00:24:52.73 not drinking, all those different things are what you 00:24:52.76\00:24:54.66 need to do to get yourself out there. 00:24:54.69\00:24:56.47 I'll tell you another huge one, it's adequate sleep. 00:24:56.50\00:24:58.95 Adequate sleep. I mean this is one where 00:24:58.98\00:25:00.90 many people cut corners, I mean you know it, 00:25:00.93\00:25:03.04 I mean in our profession sometimes we have to do it, 00:25:03.38\00:25:06.32 right. As a physician or pastor, if someone calls us 00:25:06.35\00:25:09.39 at 2 in the morning. You got to go. 00:25:09.42\00:25:10.83 Yeah, you got to go, if they have an acute need for 00:25:10.86\00:25:13.84 ministry we have got to go, but Don, many people are 00:25:13.87\00:25:18.23 cutting corners when it comes to their sleep. 00:25:18.26\00:25:19.99 You know, they are trying to save a few dollars and 00:25:20.02\00:25:21.45 not going to stay in the hotel, they are going to 00:25:21.48\00:25:22.97 make the cross-country drive. Sleep in the car. 00:25:23.00\00:25:25.79 Yes, sleep in, you know, take turns, trade off, 00:25:25.82\00:25:28.13 whatever it might be. You don't want to cut 00:25:28.16\00:25:31.26 corners especially when you're in a pandemic 00:25:31.29\00:25:36.08 territory if you will. What if you get sick and 00:25:36.11\00:25:38.52 can't get treatment? Well if you get sick and 00:25:39.27\00:25:41.48 can't get treatment, I'll tell you an interesting 00:25:41.51\00:25:43.07 story, a physician, a seasoned physician with a lot of 00:25:43.10\00:25:46.39 experience in natural remedies told me that, 00:25:46.42\00:25:48.66 that they had a friend who was giving hydrotherapy 00:25:49.34\00:25:53.07 treatments back in 1918 during the flu epidemic and 00:25:53.10\00:25:56.97 any person they saw who came to them for treatment, 00:25:57.25\00:26:00.24 who could walk in even with assistance they didn't 00:26:00.27\00:26:03.25 lose. His alternating heat, hot, and cold treatments to 00:26:03.28\00:26:07.05 the chest, seemed to be life saving, I can't tell you any 00:26:07.08\00:26:10.28 study that I have seen that shows that, but I have heard 00:26:10.31\00:26:13.23 a lot and I've seen a lot, even in my own experience 00:26:13.26\00:26:16.07 that these things do make a difference. 00:26:16.42\00:26:17.96 You know, the Bible says that the end time people's 00:26:18.65\00:26:21.16 hearts will be failing in for fear sometimes over, 00:26:21.19\00:26:24.61 you know, what's having to them or what they think 00:26:24.64\00:26:27.04 might happen. People should be concerned, but what can 00:26:27.07\00:26:31.57 you say about fear. Well actually fear is 00:26:31.60\00:26:34.62 immunosuppressive. Okay, if you get scared and anxious 00:26:34.65\00:26:38.93 and worried, that tends to suppress the immune system, 00:26:38.96\00:26:42.30 so you definitely don't wanna be deathly afraid of getting 00:26:42.95\00:26:47.75 the flu virus or you are more likely actually to get it. 00:26:47.78\00:26:51.35 So we have nothing to fear, but fear itself. 00:26:51.67\00:26:53.91 That is one of the things, we do need to be afraid of. 00:26:54.32\00:26:57.26 Okay and some of this information you know 00:26:57.72\00:27:00.42 we summarized a lot of things, some of it a 00:27:00.45\00:27:02.19 little bit technical about how the virus can morph, 00:27:02.22\00:27:05.70 why its dangerous, why its different than a bacteria, 00:27:05.73\00:27:08.26 all those different things, that's available on 00:27:08.29\00:27:11.52 compasshealth.net. We've got some general 00:27:11.55\00:27:14.18 information there as well as some links to sources 00:27:14.21\00:27:16.28 that can really provide more information. 00:27:16.31\00:27:17.98 Well, you know, I'm glad that you are a physician in 00:27:18.01\00:27:20.07 internal medicine and preventive medicine, 00:27:20.10\00:27:21.87 that was great, but I think this is even better, makes it 00:27:22.29\00:27:24.52 more accessible to other groups and thank you for 00:27:24.55\00:27:26.80 the ministry and both here today 00:27:26.83\00:27:28.09 and also on the website. You are welcome Don. 00:27:28.12\00:27:30.83 And thank you for being with us. 00:27:30.86\00:27:32.53 And thank you all so for being with us, 00:27:32.56\00:27:34.16 very practical lesson today, take all the precautions 00:27:34.19\00:27:38.14 you can, if you can get vaccinated, if you can get 00:27:38.17\00:27:40.21 those different things, every little bit will help in a 00:27:40.24\00:27:44.20 flu outbreak if it comes in your area and 00:27:44.23\00:27:46.97 and then just do the basics. We have learned that from 00:27:47.00\00:27:48.88 Dr. DeRose today, if you want to review those 00:27:48.91\00:27:50.62 go to compasshealth.net, I'm glad you've 00:27:50.65\00:27:53.09 joined us today for Health for a Lifetime 00:27:53.12\00:27:54.73 and we trust this will be good information for you. 00:27:55.22\00:27:57.35