Hello and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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Today we're going to
talk about supplements.
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There are many
supplements out there.
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Are they good?
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Are they bad, useful?
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We're going to talk to someone
that has considered this for a
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number of years,
Dr. David DeRose.
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He is a physician, he's
practiced for over 20 years.
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He has a specialty
in internal medicine.
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and also preventative medicine.
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You've worked a various
lifestyle centers, different
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places around America and
also some work internationally
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You have a ministry
called CompassHealth. net
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So all points of the compass.
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You cover all kinds
of different things.
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You have that website that has
a lot the things we're going to
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talk about and also a lot
of other subjects right there
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so people can
take a closer look.
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That's right.
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There will be some
overviews of the materials
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that we cover today on
the website as well as a lot
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of other information that I
know our viewers will enjoy.
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There is no charge for
any of those free resources.
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Talk to us about supplements,
nutritive supplements,
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all different
types of supplements.
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You have stores full of them.
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Are they good, are they bad?
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Help us with this.
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One of the ways I like to
look at this is - you take a
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supplement, you take a compound
if you've got a deficiency of
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of that compound.
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What most
people are doing today,
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instead of having that
philosophy, they're taking
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the philosophy of "Well,
I've heard this about something,
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and I've heard that
about something and then I'm
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taking this as a result. "
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I'm not going to say every
supplement is used just for
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deficiency but especially when
we speak about basic nutrients
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that's usually one of the
first questions we want to ask.
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So is there a deficiency
and if there is then we look,
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but if there's not -
don't worry about it so much.
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That's one approach.
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Second thing, if you've got
specific problems and there is
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scientific rationale or a
literature base that would say
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this may respond to a certain
supplement, then by all means
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this may be
worthy of consideration.
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I wish we could take some
calls today and have people
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actually tell us about the
different supplements they are
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taking but we just polled
those working in the studio
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Some were taking multi-vitamins,
some were taking glucosamine
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some were taking... well
various things we've heard.
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So we might deal
with some of those.
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What should we beware of when
we're looking at supplements?
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The first thing to beware
of, you mentioned multi-vitamins
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and that's a
combination product.
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I don't have as big
a problem with that.
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We'll talk about multi-vitamins
in a minute, but many companies
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are out there trying to
put together their proprietary
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supplement.
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This is true
with multi-vitamins.
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Everyone's got their special mix
of things and they're trying to
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promote varying degrees
why you should buy theirs.
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I'm always very concerned when
someone is trying to promote
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some proprietary blend of things
and trying to charge people top
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dollar for it.
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So anytime it looks like
they're trying to make money off
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something - beware!
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Well, let's be realistic.
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There's going to be
no supplement sold where
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they're trying to
loose money, right?
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Probably, that's correct.
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But here's the point.
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Let's say you've got a specific
problem - let's take arthritis.
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Because you mentioned
glucosamine chondroitin,
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and whatever.
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Well, what do you think
the research shows of all the
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supplements that are out
there for arthritis, from my
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perspective what I've seen
out there, the most compelling
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evidence suggests that
glucosamine is helpful.
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So if I stick a bunch
of glucosamine in a pill
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and also put some chondroitin,
MSN, and some other things
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I'm not saying any of
those other things are not
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helpful, but what I am saying
is many times only one or a few
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of the compounds in these
multiple supplements may be
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efficacious - helpful.
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Actually helpful in
doing what you want it to do.
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So when I'm taking care of a
patient, what I tend to do is
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say, "Look you've got joint
pain, let's look first of all
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at why you've
got the joint pain. "
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Because if there is
something you're doing...
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Yes, like chopping
600 cords of wood a day!
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That's right.
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That could
cause some joint pain.
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And maybe you need to cut
back to just 500! - laughter -
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Or maybe you need
to ice the joint after
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doing all the chopping.
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Yes, by the same token, if
you weigh 500 pounds and you're
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having knee pain...
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I'm not saying that the
chondroitin has no value.
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But look at the big problem.
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Look at the big problem and then
it's fine to use the supplement.
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By the way, of those supplements
the glucosamine is the one
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that seems to have the
most beneficial effectiveness.
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In fact, the studies I've seen
it's the only one that really
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has compelling
data that I've seen.
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I'm not going to tell you that
I've seen every single study
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done on these compounds but this
has been a view of many in the
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alternative,
complimentary medicine area.
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Glucosamine is really the
supplement that seems to stand
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head and
shoulders above the others.
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It's not to say
there's no value to the others
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but the chondroitin,
since we mentioned it,
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a lot of us are
very worried about.
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Some people say, "Well,
sure DeRose is worried about it
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because it's an animal product
and he's this vegetarian.
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Well, I was at a conference,
probably five years ago now,
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a high profile rheumatologist at
one of these big medical centers
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and she was sharing with
this audience of ostensibly
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non-vegetarians, even
though I and my wife were there,
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that she was worried
about all the animal products
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that were on the market
because of the mad cow situation
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and cattle that were being
funneled in different direction,
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she was worried about where
chondroitin was coming from.
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Now on your
website compasshealth. net
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do you have a list of
things that you've researched?
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That would be a
very helpful list.
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There's a number of subjects
that we've researched now.
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All the things that we're
going to talk about, as far as
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supplements, because this is
kind of a free flowing dialogue,
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will not necessarily be there.
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But we've got a lot of
information that covers a
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variety of supplements
and other conditions.
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So you've seen some supplements
that are efficacious, or they
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have a good effect, and
you've seen some that are not.
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Like saw palmetto you
say is helpful and so is
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beta-sitosterol for working
with prostate enlargement.
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There is data that suggests
that men who have prostate
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enlargement that the
saw palmetto appears to be
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helpful for many of them.
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Even more impressive from
the data I've seen is a compound
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called beta-sitosterol.
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It's found in a
number of plant products.
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But this naturally occurring
plant sterol actually has
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cholesterol lowering properties
as well as evidence that it can
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actually help with prostate
enlargement and symptoms
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of prostate
enlargement at least.
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So whatever the claims, if
they're trying to make a lot
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of money and say theirs is
the best - always take that
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with a grain of salt or beware.
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And then secondly, you're
not saying that all are bad
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but look at the
major problem first
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before you go to a supplement.
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Yes, and look at the specific
constituents of the supplement.
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Like I'm saying, if
there's good data out there that
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seems to suggest that
saw palmetto may be helpful
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try the saw palmetto for a
period of time and ideally do it
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working with your physician.
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More and more physicians
are open to incorporate some of
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these complimentary
therapies because their patients
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are using it.
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They've got to do it, they've
got to get interested in it,
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and medical education is
encouraging physicians to
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at least ask their patients
about these things because
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the other big issue,
we've got to admit it, is these
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supplements can
interact with other medications
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that people are taking.
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And there are some
that are actually dangerous.
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You say on your website that
excess selenium can be a real
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problem and then others as well.
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Selenium is a good example.
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We need selenium, which is
a micro nutrient for optimal
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immune function.
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In many people's minds the
old adage, a little is good
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a lot is better, but
the problem with selenium
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is when you take excessive
amounts it tends to suppress
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immune function.
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Another example is vitamin B6.
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Vitamin B6 also
known as pyridoxamine.
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If you're pyridoxamine
deficient you can get a
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neuropathy.
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You can have nerve problems.
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So it's good to
have enough of it?
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It's good to have enough.
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But if you take too much,
you know what you can get?
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Same thing - neuropathy.
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You're exactly right.
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You can get a
neuropathy from too much.
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Too much or too little?
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Too little.
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So just let the body
regulate it and don't you
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mess around with it?
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Well, yes, that's great
if you've got the good diet
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that you're on, Don.
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I can say that to you because
I had lunch with you today
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and saw what you ate.
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Yes, and it was pretty good!
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It was.
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It's what you had too!
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But a lot of people should.
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They're not getting
a balanced diet so the
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knee-jerk response is what?
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Take a little bit more.
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Take a multi-vitamin.
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And what I would suggest is
what we're leaning is that's
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a dangerous strategy to follow.
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Because more and more things
that we have listed on those
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multi-vitamins we're
getting concerned about.
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Let me give you a good example
is the Vitamin A compounds.
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Vitamin A because
they are not water soluble?
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They're not water
soluble, that's true.
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They don't just
pass through the system.
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But there's a bigger problem.
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When we look at Vitamin A,
the pre form Vitamin A, the form
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that the body uses, or you look
at beta-carotene, which is what
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we call a precursor, it's
something the body converts into
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active Vitamin A, with
either of those compounds,
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did look at some of
the initial work on cancer.
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When we look at that as a
medical community we saw the
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people were eating more
beta-carotene had less cancer.
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So what was the thought?
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The thought was more is good.
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So they did some actual clinical
studies where they gave people
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with high risk of cancer, like
smokers, they gave them extra
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beta-carotene.
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By in large, you
know what happened?
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They got more cancer.
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Because?
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What appears to be happening
is beta-carotene is one of this
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family of retinoid.
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One in this family of compounds.
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When you just take one, it
overwhelms the body's ability
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to utilize a whole host of
other good, related compounds.
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Like zeoxanthin, lutein,
lycopene, and number of these
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other compounds that are
very helpful to the body.
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So if you're overdoing it on one
thing it decreases the ability
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for the body to use other
things that really needs to
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fight off cancer.
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That's exactly right and
we've seen this if you look at
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drug and nutrient
interactions and if you look at
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nutrient and
nutrient interactions.
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You start increasing one
thing and you increase your
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requirements for something else
or you totally overwhelm the
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body's ability to use
things of that compound.
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Because of the interaction?
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That's right.
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The analogy that I like,
Don, is you got here to 3ABN
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partly by driving on
the freeway didn't you?
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Yes, I try to stay
on it most of the time.
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While you were driving on
that freeway that freeway has a
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finite capacity.
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In other words, maybe holiday
week ends and things in some
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places as you're going
through major cities on those
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interstates you may be
bumper to bumper and may be
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even stopping, is that right?
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Unfortunately, that's correct.
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So the freeways in our
nation can only accommodate
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so much traffic.
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It's the same with the transport
mechanisms in the body.
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So when I look at people's
supplements it's amazing
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because they're saying, "I'm
taking this pill for my joints,
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this one for my cholesterol,
this one for my diabetes,
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this one to put more hair on my
head," - by the way that's one
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I'm not using, Don, if you
were wondering! - laughter -
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So you've got all
these supplements.
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I look at these supplements...
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Not enough room on the
highway for all of them.
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I go down the list and
this one has 10,000 units of
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beta-carotene and this one
has 20,000, and you add all
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this stuff up and they're
getting all kinds of stuff
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that they're not even aware of.
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They thought, "Well, I just
was taking this for my joints. "
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So, what the
point of all this is,
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we've got to look
at what we're doing.
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If you've got a problem,
talk with your doctor, get the
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information, read up about it,
go to my website, whatever it
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is you're going to do, get the
different information sources
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you can, tap into them and say
what is a reasonable strategy
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ideally that I can
plan together with my
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health care professional?
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Less is more.
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Less is often more.
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We're talking
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We're talking about supplements.
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The analogy he just gave
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Maybe it would be good for
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supplements and write them down
and in the second half of the
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program take an inventory.
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Welcome back.
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We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose about
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supplements.
00:15:19.50\00:15:20.47
He closed by giving us
an illustration of having
00:15:20.48\00:15:23.48
so many cars on the
freeway or maybe like juggling.
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You can only juggle so
many things and if you add
00:15:26.19\00:15:28.77
more and more supplements
you may not have room for the
00:15:28.81\00:15:32.11
very needful things your body
requires to fight off disease
00:15:32.15\00:15:35.42
and to keep your
immune system healthy.
00:15:35.46\00:15:37.78
Is this an ok way to summarize
what we've been saying?
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I think it's great because the
idea is God has given us certain
00:15:40.76\00:15:44.39
capacities.
00:15:44.42\00:15:45.39
He's given us insights on
how to care for our bodies.
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It's in His Word, it comes from
an understanding and enlightened
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spiritually directed
understanding of physiology.
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We tend to short circuit to try
to take shortcuts and we really
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end up getting short
circuits that cause problems.
00:16:01.93\00:16:04.97
So these general lifestyle
principles many times people
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want to hear good news
about their bad habits.
00:16:09.65\00:16:11.28
If they can be over weight
and just take a couple pills
00:16:11.31\00:16:15.68
and feel like they're better
they probably want to do that.
00:16:15.71\00:16:17.82
Have you ever encountered that?
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Of course.
00:16:19.80\00:16:22.29
People are always
looking for some easy way out.
00:16:22.32\00:16:25.39
Since we are talking about
over weight, I just want to make
00:16:25.42\00:16:27.95
sure that our viewers
don't get the wrong idea in that
00:16:27.98\00:16:31.91
illustration I shared
earlier in the program
00:16:31.94\00:16:34.60
about the 500 pound
individual who's got arthritis.
00:16:34.63\00:16:40.39
I don't tell someone, "Look
we're not going to help you
00:16:40.42\00:16:44.68
until you loose 300 pounds. "
00:16:44.71\00:16:46.96
"We're not going to give
you any medication, supplements,
00:16:46.99\00:16:49.98
or do anything for you. "
00:16:50.01\00:16:50.98
Here's what I'm getting
at, look at it this way.
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If someone is not focused on
the underlying problem, then I
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am not really helping
them address the problem if I'm
00:17:01.70\00:17:04.64
just giving them a
drug or a supplement.
00:17:04.67\00:17:07.16
Now let me say it this way.
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The American public, as well as
the public at large in the world
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is recognizing that medications
are often not all they've been
00:17:14.09\00:17:19.29
cracked up to be, right?
00:17:19.32\00:17:21.38
Yes, they're starting
to get a grip on that.
00:17:21.41\00:17:23.19
Yes, we're getting a grip on
it and people are gravitating
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away from them and often times
what they're gravitating to are
00:17:25.89\00:17:29.70
supplements
because they're "natural. "
00:17:29.73\00:17:32.00
But there's problems there too.
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There are problems there too.
00:17:33.91\00:17:35.04
We've talked about some of
the things that can be problems
00:17:35.07\00:17:37.02
in excess but even more so
if something's not helping you
00:17:37.05\00:17:41.69
and it's doing you
no good, why take it?
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Let me tell you about a
woman who talked to me recently.
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We'll call her Harriet, of
course it's not her real name,
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5'2" tall,
weighed about 215 pounds.
00:17:49.99\00:17:53.35
That's a little high.
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It is a little high.
00:17:54.66\00:17:55.63
But you know what
her problems were?
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The problem was
being over weight.
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That's one of her problems.
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She had high blood pressure.
00:18:02.48\00:18:03.75
She had cholesterol problems.
00:18:03.78\00:18:05.76
She had a family history
of breast cancer that she was
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concerned about.
00:18:08.25\00:18:09.45
And when I talked with her
she was taking like 50 to 100
00:18:09.48\00:18:13.65
supplements to
address these concerns.
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Whoa, what else did
she do during the day?
00:18:15.28\00:18:16.93
That's quite a supplement!
00:18:16.96\00:18:19.61
And she wanted to go
through each of them with me.
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Actually I was interested to do
it because what I realized was
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going on she was
focusing all her energy
00:18:28.24\00:18:31.19
to try to figure out...
she couldn't even figure out
00:18:31.22\00:18:33.59
all that she was taking.
00:18:33.62\00:18:34.60
They say it's an extreme
case but she was not focused
00:18:34.63\00:18:37.85
on a good exercise program
or weight reduction program
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which would have lowered
her risk of breast cancer.
00:18:41.58\00:18:44.03
It would have
lowered her cholesterol.
00:18:44.06\00:18:46.02
It would have helped
her address her diabetes and
00:18:46.05\00:18:48.23
blood pressure problem.
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She must have
brought a suitcase.
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Well, you see the point, Don.
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We're trying to
have this balance.
00:18:53.92\00:18:56.92
So, on one hand, yes,
00:18:56.95\00:18:58.80
Supplements have a role
if they're prescribed for a
00:18:58.83\00:19:02.01
specific reason where there is
some compelling medical evidence
00:19:02.04\00:19:05.64
at least some compelling medical
theory, there's some support
00:19:05.67\00:19:09.13
for it, or there's
an actual deficiency.
00:19:09.16\00:19:11.63
If not, you're
asking for trouble.
00:19:11.66\00:19:13.49
If nothing more than depleting
your bank account could be
00:19:13.52\00:19:17.05
something much, much worse.
00:19:17.08\00:19:18.95
So let's talk about
some of these supplements.
00:19:18.98\00:19:20.70
What about, you said
glucosamine is good for
00:19:20.73\00:19:23.37
osteoarthritis?
00:19:23.40\00:19:24.46
There is evidence that
glucosamine is definitely
00:19:24.49\00:19:26.38
helpful in osteoarthritis.
00:19:26.41\00:19:28.22
I mentioned Harriet, just
an interesting aside, she was
00:19:28.25\00:19:33.22
making sure her brother
was taking not only glucosamine
00:19:33.25\00:19:37.70
but chondroitin and a
bunch of other things purported
00:19:37.73\00:19:41.69
to have joint benefit and it
turned out her brother didn't
00:19:41.72\00:19:44.97
have any joint symptoms.
00:19:45.00\00:19:47.13
So it doesn't do any
good to take something
00:19:47.16\00:19:49.20
if you don't need it.
00:19:49.23\00:19:50.20
There's no rationale to
do that because that's not
00:19:50.21\00:19:53.55
something that's been looked
at and it doesn't even make
00:19:53.58\00:19:56.38
sense to treat a
problem that's not there.
00:19:56.41\00:20:00.22
These are not things that
generally speak about doing
00:20:00.25\00:20:02.74
prophylactic.
00:20:02.77\00:20:03.74
I'll give you an example though.
00:20:03.75\00:20:04.72
Prophylactic or preventive - one
that there is some evidence for
00:20:04.73\00:20:07.45
is garlic.
00:20:07.48\00:20:08.45
Low dose garlic actually has
been shown to decrease the risk
00:20:08.46\00:20:13.28
of developing colds - taking
some garlic on a daily basis.
00:20:13.31\00:20:16.68
So garlic supplements are ok?
00:20:16.71\00:20:18.75
In that context.
00:20:18.78\00:20:21.18
If you were just on a plane
flight and you were up all night
00:20:21.21\00:20:25.24
and you didn't get enough sleep.
00:20:25.27\00:20:26.34
Can you imagine a
scenario like that?
00:20:26.37\00:20:28.88
And you said, "You know there
were all these people coughing
00:20:28.91\00:20:31.37
on the plane, I think
I'm going to take a couple
00:20:31.40\00:20:33.93
garlic capsules this morning. "
00:20:33.96\00:20:35.62
Slam of few of them back.
00:20:35.65\00:20:36.62
There's some
rationale for doing that.
00:20:36.63\00:20:39.29
But to take 2 garlics the rest
of your life and especially if
00:20:39.32\00:20:43.29
you're on blood
thinning medications the garlic
00:20:43.32\00:20:45.57
may tip the
balance against them.
00:20:45.60\00:20:47.58
This is an excellent place
to speak about drug interactions
00:20:47.61\00:20:50.24
if you want to
go that direction.
00:20:50.27\00:20:51.50
Let's go that direction.
00:20:51.53\00:20:52.72
What about drug interactions?
00:20:52.75\00:20:54.55
Well, drug interactions
are very important and they're
00:20:54.58\00:20:56.77
especially
critical with drugs with a
00:20:56.80\00:20:59.57
narrow therapeutic window.
00:20:59.60\00:21:01.48
Meaning?
00:21:01.51\00:21:02.52
Good question.
00:21:02.55\00:21:03.60
Therapeutic window -
you've got windows in your house
00:21:03.63\00:21:06.33
right?
00:21:06.36\00:21:07.38
A few.
00:21:07.41\00:21:08.38
I was actually in a house the
other day that had no windows
00:21:08.39\00:21:11.15
in one of their main rooms.
00:21:11.18\00:21:12.86
It was another building that
had been converted into a home.
00:21:12.89\00:21:15.48
Interesting isn't it?
00:21:15.51\00:21:17.53
But this house actually that
I'm speaking about, my house or
00:21:17.56\00:21:22.39
your house has a window.
00:21:22.42\00:21:23.39
And that window can
only open so far, right?
00:21:23.40\00:21:27.08
Have you ever been in a house,
maybe you have one yourself,
00:21:27.11\00:21:28.96
that has like a little half size
window that you can open just
00:21:28.99\00:21:31.87
a little way?
00:21:31.90\00:21:32.87
Yes, in the bathroom.
00:21:32.88\00:21:34.18
So this window opens
up just a little bit.
00:21:34.21\00:21:36.69
You can't get much
through it can you?
00:21:36.72\00:21:40.17
There isn't much
room to play with.
00:21:40.20\00:21:41.52
Well, we use that term, I know
you know this being a health
00:21:41.55\00:21:45.09
professional, but for
the benefit of our listeners,
00:21:45.12\00:21:48.19
narrow therapeutic window means
there's not much room to get
00:21:48.22\00:21:51.76
access of a drug or
too little of a drug.
00:21:51.79\00:21:54.69
Take an example.
00:21:54.72\00:21:56.66
A blood thinner like Coumadin,
you get too little it's not
00:21:56.69\00:22:00.61
going to do the job
of preventing the stroke,
00:22:00.64\00:22:03.27
the blood clot, or
the mechanical heart valve
00:22:03.30\00:22:07.19
it's not going to keep it
from clogging up - right? -
00:22:07.22\00:22:09.84
if you get too little.
00:22:09.87\00:22:10.84
If you get too much,
what's going to happen?
00:22:10.85\00:22:12.34
It's going to
cause too much thinning.
00:22:12.37\00:22:15.72
That's right and you
could bleed to death - right? -
00:22:15.75\00:22:17.87
in extreme situations.
00:22:17.90\00:22:19.18
So it needs had within
that narrow window, right?
00:22:19.21\00:22:20.80
Yes, so drugs with a narrow
therapeutic window, if you're
00:22:20.83\00:22:23.29
taking one of those, if you're
taking Linoxin, a drug for HIV,
00:22:23.32\00:22:27.06
a blood thinner, if you've had
a kidney or liver transplant,
00:22:27.09\00:22:31.20
if you're taking any of these
critical drugs that have to be
00:22:31.23\00:22:33.81
kept in a narrow range - do
NOT start taking a supplement
00:22:33.84\00:22:38.37
unless you talk
with your physician.
00:22:38.40\00:22:40.65
Because even some of these
"good supplements" - I've given
00:22:40.68\00:22:43.56
you an example: garlic
does have some benefits in the
00:22:43.59\00:22:46.95
anti-infectious arena.
00:22:46.98\00:22:49.20
But if you're also on Coumadin
that may not be the thing
00:22:49.23\00:22:52.36
that you should be taking.
00:22:52.39\00:22:53.51
So talk with someone who knows
how all these things interact.
00:22:53.54\00:22:56.44
Especially if you're on some
of these critical drugs that
00:22:56.47\00:22:58.99
operate in a narrow range.
00:22:59.02\00:23:00.08
Now that's not the majority
of drugs but I've given you some
00:23:00.11\00:23:02.91
examples and if you've got
a question, ask your doctor
00:23:02.94\00:23:05.70
if this drug is very critical in
the range that it operates in.
00:23:05.73\00:23:10.66
What about barley greens and
all those derivatives that are
00:23:10.69\00:23:13.22
supposedly high in these
green parts of the plants?
00:23:13.25\00:23:16.69
Well, you know plants are loaded
with phytochemicals and these
00:23:16.72\00:23:20.09
are plant chemicals.
00:23:20.12\00:23:21.51
Many of these plant chemicals
have health giving properties.
00:23:21.54\00:23:25.00
I don't feel any burden to say
there's no value in these things
00:23:25.03\00:23:31.50
because there is some value.
00:23:31.53\00:23:32.58
But the question is, why is
the person taking it, what is it
00:23:32.61\00:23:36.92
doing for them, and
are there better ways to
00:23:36.95\00:23:40.17
accomplish the same end?
00:23:40.20\00:23:41.84
If they say, "I like barley
green, I like how it tastes,
00:23:41.87\00:23:44.95
I like how it looks,"
you know whatever it is,
00:23:44.98\00:23:47.91
"I've been feeling better
since I've been taking it. "
00:23:47.94\00:23:50.70
I do not have a great burden
to say they can't use that.
00:23:50.73\00:23:53.76
But by the same token, if
someone under false pretences
00:23:53.79\00:23:59.27
uses a pretext to
get me to speak at a
00:23:59.30\00:24:02.02
barley green convention - it
actually happened to me once -
00:24:02.05\00:24:04.67
Did you go?
00:24:04.70\00:24:05.89
I didn't know it was a
barley green convention!
00:24:05.92\00:24:08.47
They lined me up for an
out-of-town presentation
00:24:08.50\00:24:12.06
and I turn up at the
big Barley Green Conference.
00:24:12.09\00:24:17.49
I'm their keynote speaker.
00:24:17.52\00:24:18.54
Whoa!
00:24:18.57\00:24:19.54
Yes!
00:24:19.55\00:24:20.52
Did they give
you a green jacket?
00:24:20.53\00:24:21.50
- laughter - No, but
Don, here's what's going on.
00:24:21.51\00:24:26.87
We're trying to market
all these products when really
00:24:26.90\00:24:31.88
what we most need is to eat
more fruits, whole grains, and
00:24:31.91\00:24:36.21
vegetables.
00:24:36.24\00:24:37.21
Look at it this way.
00:24:37.22\00:24:38.19
Think about it for a minute.
00:24:38.20\00:24:39.17
I don't know
what's in barley green.
00:24:39.18\00:24:40.45
I don't have the
whole list in front of me.
00:24:40.48\00:24:43.09
I've seen lists
before and what's in it.
00:24:43.12\00:24:46.10
I can't recite it
for you right now.
00:24:46.13\00:24:48.03
But you know what?
00:24:48.06\00:24:49.82
No matter what's in barley green
there's a bunch of other hot
00:24:49.85\00:24:53.39
plant compounds.
00:24:53.42\00:24:54.69
They're not hot now
but they will be next year
00:24:54.72\00:24:56.71
or the year after.
00:24:56.74\00:24:57.71
Better go to
those conventions too
00:24:57.72\00:24:58.87
if you get on that band wagon.
00:24:58.90\00:25:00.26
That's right, but you
know what's even better?
00:25:00.29\00:25:01.75
Why not start eating
the variety of plant foods
00:25:01.78\00:25:06.05
that God's given us?
00:25:06.08\00:25:07.31
You know what one of
the hot compounds is today?
00:25:07.34\00:25:09.59
I have no idea.
00:25:09.62\00:25:10.86
Lycopene.
00:25:10.89\00:25:11.89
Oh, I have heard about it.
00:25:11.92\00:25:12.93
Lutein...
00:25:12.96\00:25:13.93
pentothal?
00:25:13.94\00:25:15.56
You know what?
00:25:15.59\00:25:16.56
Just take the
example of lycopene.
00:25:16.57\00:25:19.16
It's good for
prostate health for example.
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Do you know what?
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Before lycopene was delivered
you know what my grandfather
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was doing?
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He was eating lycopene.
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He was.
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He was born in Italy.
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He was eating lots of tomato
products and he never had a
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prostate problem.
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Now just what would have
happened if he had focused
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on getting all his
nutrients from supplements?
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It wouldn't have worked.
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So you can't really recapture
the fountain of youth either.
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That's something
people sometimes try and say.
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One more classic example.
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This just comes to mind.
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I was a medical
student years ago.
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I actually had hair back then!
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Don't look so
astonished! - laughter -
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I might have
recognized you! - laughter -
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You may have recognized me.
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I was doing some health
screening with the team.
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We found this
interesting fellow.
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He did worse on the stress
test than the 80 year old women
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were doing.
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He was in his 40's.
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When we sat this guy down
and started to counsel with him
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he started telling us,
"But I'm very conscientious
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about my health. "
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He started going
down the list of all the
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supplements he was taking.
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You see the point.
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He didn't do the basics.
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He was depending on the
bottles instead of the basics.
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That's right.
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So the message then
today is there is some benefits
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to many of
these different things
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but don't forget the basics and
then if there is some kind of
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deficiency then
it's viable to fill it.
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But don't add too much to the
plate and all those different
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things we talked about.
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I don't think you
needed this presentation.
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you've got it all
figured out. - laughter -
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Well, thank you for what
you have done on the website
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Thank you for the
supporting material here.
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If people have questions they
can look at this on the website
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there - compasshealth. net
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And thank you for taking
time out of your busy schedule
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to spend a little time with us
here on Health for a Lifetime.
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And thank you for joining
us on Health for a Lifetime
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Look, you can take stock now.
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Take out that list.
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Take out your pad of paper and
your pencil, write down all your
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supplements that you may be
taking or others are taking.
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Ask yourself the question,
Do I really need these?
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Or am I doing the basics?
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Go to Dr. De Rose's
website compasshealth. net
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Look up the supporting materials
there and do the very minimum
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in terms of supplements.
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Do the basics first and
then if you need something
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of course there's all kinds
of things you could look at.
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Be careful about your decisions
and we hope you have health
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that lasts for a lifetime.
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