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Hello and Welcome to
Health For A Lifetime.
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I am your host
Don Mackintosh and
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today we're gonna be talking
about an interesting subject.
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We're gonna be
talking with Dr David DeRose,
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he is a physician
from Southern Oklahoma
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and he is a
specialist in internal medicine
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and also preventive medicine
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and has done a lot of
work in public health as well.
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Dr. DeRose we are
glad you are with us today.
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It always good to be
on the show with you Don.
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And I can't remember
doing a program on this.
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We're gonna talking
about so called male menopause.
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I've never really
considered the subject
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much myself or
maybe I should because
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when does menopause
come about for a male.
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While the question
is does it even exist?
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Probably not because,
isn't that's the ladies problem?
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Well, this whole
thing of Andropause
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or male menopause, Okay.
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is really a hard
issue, there were some doctors
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who say it does
exist. It is a problem,
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it is a concern
and needs to be treated
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and there are
other doctors that say
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yes testosterone
levels do decreases with age,
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but there is no Andropause,
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that's in anyway
analogous to menopause.
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I tend to lean toward
that latter school of thought
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that there is not some
dramatic climatic event
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in the male hormonal
life cycle if you will,
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but by the same token
there are real changes
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in testosterone
that occur overtime.
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Okay, so you know maybe
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another factor
could be drug companies
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that seem to be very
happy to find the things
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they can make drugs for
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although that's
positive in the many ways,
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you know, someone
suggest that, you know,
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they create needs by
saying this is a problem,
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that's the problem, you
don't think that's a fact.
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Well, I haven't really
seen it at least in the things
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I have been reading,
it seemed to be something
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being driven by drug companies.
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I mean, sure if there
are certain proprietary drugs
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that are being studied may
be but the law have to realize
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that these sex steroids
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and what's being
marketed are often
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not the sex steroids themselves,
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it's not that
they're telling people
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to line up for
testosterone shots.
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A lot of people who are
promoting this Andropause
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for example through
the Internet are people
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that are trying to sell
you a whole raft of supplements
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that are designed to
boost your testosterone levels,
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make you feel
better, more youthful
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in all aspects of
human performance.
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What can we do to measure
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to see whether or not
the levels are normal?
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Is there a measurement?
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Well actually,
there is a measurement
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and you can simply
measure testosterone level.
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The problem was just the
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conventional
testosterone measurement.
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I'll just illustrate it
in the case of an individual,
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who talked with
me very recently.
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He had come in
contact with someone who,
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I don't know how they do
this, to be honest with you,
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but they are phone based
and Internet based physicians.
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I guess they will
order lab tests for people.
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So this guy had some
doctor order this lab panel
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to see if he was
testosterone deficient,
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this is a man in his maybe 70s.
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And they just measure what
we call a random testosterone,
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what that means
is irrespective of
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what time of day
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they measure this
blood testosterone level.
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The problem with that Don
is the standard that we use
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for looking at whether
testosterone is high or low,
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is the measurement made
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between 6:00 and
8:00 am in the morning.
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Why then?
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That's when
testosterone typically peaks
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especially in younger
man it's very consistent,
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as we get older there
may not be as much of a peak
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but that's the
time we're looking for
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the maximal
level we wanna get it,
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this guy had his level
drawn at some other time.
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His level was virtually normal,
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a few points below and
on top of that they measured
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an even better test
which is free testosterone.
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Okay free meaning
in the blood stream.
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Yes, it's in the blood stream
not bond to something else,
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many of the
compounds in our body
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are hooked up to carriers.
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And so testosterone hooks up to
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something called sex
hormone binding globulin
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and that's inactive basically
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while its hooked up
to that carrier. Okay.
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The free testosterone
is The active testosterone,
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so in the case I
am sharing with you,
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this 70-year-old man has this
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blood
testosterone measurement made,
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not between 6:00
and 8:00 in the morning,
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close to normal
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then the free
testosterone is totally normal.
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Okay. And what happens?
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What! Yeah! What happens?
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This fellow over The phone
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tells him he is
well on testosterone.
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And has him to
order his product.
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Yeah he has got to order
all these natural supplements
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that are gonna
raise his testosterone
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and make him, you know,
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feel more like a man.
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Whatever is
supposed to happen to him
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and this is really
what I would say, you know,
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you are talking
about drug companies
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kind of commandeering this
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I am saying there
are all kinds of people,
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they are trying to
find commercial advantage
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in making this into a great,
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I mean think about it,
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the population is aging
and so if you can get every man
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as he gets older convinced that
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he is going through Andropause
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and you have got all
kinds of stuff to sell him
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and you could
get rich. You could.
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Unfortunately at my website,
we don't sell any supplements.
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That's good,
yeah, on your website
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you do have
something about this subject,
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don't you?
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Right, we've got
information, but no supplements,
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my ministry is
information ministry,
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we are not trying to sell.
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You are now gonna
have someone call up you
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and you gonna do these tests.
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No, I don't order lab
tests over phone or anything.
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And the name of that
ministry is compass health
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and it's compasshealth.net,
compasshealth.net
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You got it.
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And has a lot of information,
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well, then what are
normal levels for testosterone.
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Well, we actually
use in this country
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a measurement that's
a little bit different
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then is used internationally.
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We use something called
nanograms per deciliter,
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most people won't know
what that measurement means.
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The average person didn't even
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had their
testosterone level measured.
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But, the normal
range in the US units
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that we are using 300 to 1000,
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that's the range between
6:00 and 8:00 in the morning,
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that's when we're looking at
this peak testosterone level.
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So, there is other
things to interact with this,
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I see here on your web page
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you say that the pituitary
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and hypothalamus
are also related,
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and this and of course
they all talk to each other,
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so, just
because your level's low
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doesn't mean it's that problem,
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it could be some problem
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with your
pituitary or hypothalamus.
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No, you are
exactly right, I mean,
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we know the testosterone
is made from the testicles
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and so if you have a
low testosterone level,
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it doesn't mean you're testicles
necessarily are failing
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or could be a pituitary problem.
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That's exactly right, if
your pituitary is not making LH,
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Luteinizing
hormone, it's the signal
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that tells the testosterone
to make this testosterone,
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this male
androgen, then that could be
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the problem or the hypothalamus,
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which is in the
brain telling the pituitary
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at the base of the
brain to put out the LH
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if it's got a problem,
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if you've had a
stroke or something else,
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a tumor in the
brain. So really Don,
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if you do have a
testosterone measurement made,
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okay. Right.
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And we will make it
personal, so we have got someone
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who is viewing
today and they say boy
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this is all interesting
and they wonder if I am,
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you know, got a
low testosterone level,
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they go to their doctor
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and the normal range
between 300 and 1000,
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they have a
testosterone measurement
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that comes back a
150, that's very low
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that should prompt
some diagnostic evaluation,
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why the
testosterone level is that low.
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Yeah, because it
could be the hypothalamus,
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it could be the
pituitary, it could be
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all kinds of different things,
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but it's not the end of
all is what you are saying.
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Exactly right!
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Okay what are some factors
that influence these levels,
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these testosterone levels?
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Well there are a
variety of factors
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and just to go back
to this one scenario,
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I gave you, this
70-year-old gentlemen.
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Who called up and.
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Yeah, was sold this
raft of supplements,
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when talking with this fellow,
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I mean if you met him,
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you would need to
talk with him at all,
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you could just see
him and you'd realize
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he was overweight. Okay.
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One of the things That Drives
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testosterone
levels down is overweight.
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Is that right?
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So, here this guy
instead of spending his money
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on a health club
membership or better yet,
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get some new walking shoes.
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He's buying all
these supplements
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and really if he just had
his testosterone measurement,
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measured between 6:00
and 8:00 in the morning,
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it probably
would have been normal.
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But, if he was concerned Beyond
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that just
exercising more could have
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made the big difference
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and also lowered his risk of
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a whole list of other problems.
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So, losing weight,
I mean, every pound,
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the weight you gain is a whole
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bunch of extra blood vessels,
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as this you know
body only produces
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so much and if
you're 150 pounds,
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but you move to 300,
you still have the same
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you know production level,
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is that way it goes down and up?
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Well I can't
tell you I understand
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all the physiology
between the obesity,
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testosterone
relationship, but it is
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a consistent relationship
if someone is overweight
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and they lose weight.
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They can expect those
testosterone levels to rise.
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So, you have
here on the web page
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that other things can cause
it to increase or decrease,
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one is acute illness, any
kind of illness, pneumonia.
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Exactly if
you've been acutely sick
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those testosterone
levels could be suppressed,
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you know, a good way of looking
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at this done is our
bodies were designed so that
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when we are under stress
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the most essential
things are preserved
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and the least essential
things are cutback first
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and so we find this
in women as well as men.
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If the body is under
stress, one of the first things
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that suffers is
reproductive capacity,
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so just like the young ladies
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that are doing you
know aggressive gymnastics,
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their hormonal levels may drop
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and they stop having
her menstrual periods,
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men when they are under
lots of stress, acute stress,
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whether it's physical
illness or something else
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we may see those
testosterone levels drop.
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What about chronic illness?
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Chronic illness
is also on the list.
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So, this is why you Know
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if we just look at
one thing in isolation,
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you just say look at
the testosterone level.
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Not at all. You're
missing the big picture.
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So, diabetes, lung
problems, all those
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different kind of
things can cause it to go down.
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Exactly all these things
were on the list and treatment
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of the underlying problem
is where we should focus.
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Then what about medications,
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other
medications make it go down.
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There are medications,
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that could affect
testosterone levels,
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and some of those medications
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are commonly
used drugs in America.
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Like you have done
here for heart disease,
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Digoxin. Exactly, Digoxin,
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which many of our
listeners and viewers
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may be aware of for their heart
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for whether it's
Atrial Fibrillation,
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whether they're on Lanoxin
formulation or something else,
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this is a common drug
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and it can depress
testosterone levels.
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So, you also list here
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Narcotics and excessive alcohol.
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Well you know the
alcohol connection is really,
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I was gonna say a sobering one,
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but that may not be
appreciated by you Don,
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who has a little bit
different sense of humor.
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It wasn't supposed to be a joke,
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but I was
searching for some other word
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to convey the same thing.
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But alcohol is something
that really is a reminder to us
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because we're
touting alcohol so much,
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I'm not, but many in the public
00:12:11.64\00:12:13.38
health community are touting
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this is something
beneficial and it does interfere
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with testosterone levels
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as well as a
number of other things.
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Yes, so I
suppose you know people
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who are drinking
and different things,
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if they are worried at
all about their testosterone,
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they'd stop drinking.
You are exactly right,
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blood pressure too,
alcohol is something
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that raises blood pressure.
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And since we're on the subject,
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it raises breast
cancer risk in women for sure.
00:12:33.79\00:12:36.39
Males in breast cancer
connection with the alcohol,
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I have not seen data.
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So, narcotics,
pain killers, alcohol,
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but you also list as something
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you can really
down the testosterone,
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cigarette smoking.
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You know the list just
continues to grow and grow
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about the problems
of tobacco smoking.
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Many people are
getting the message done,
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but it said that
many of our young people
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are still picking up cigarettes
and becoming addicted.
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Yes, it's definitely on the list
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for lowering
testosterone levels.
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You say that they are
some lifestyle factors
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that may raise the
testosterone levels,
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you also talk on your
website compasshealth.net
00:13:14.77\00:13:18.06
about a replacement,
hormone replacement,
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testosterone replacement,
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we wanna talk about
those things with you
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Welcome back, we're
talking with Dr. David DeRose,
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he is a physician
from Southern Oklahoma
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and he has dedicated
his life to understanding
00:14:36.60\00:14:39.52
both the medical side
and the spiritual side
00:14:39.55\00:14:41.92
of our health problems,
00:14:41.95\00:14:42.92
he has a website
called compasshealth.net
00:14:43.11\00:14:45.69
and the material
that we are covering today
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and many other interesting
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and important
topics are on that website,
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thank you for that
resource by the way.
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You're welcome.
00:14:54.06\00:14:55.03
We appreciate that, now
we're talking about male
00:14:55.04\00:14:57.27
or so called male
menopause or Andropause
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as the term is and you know
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we're saying is
that true or false
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and we've been looking
at several different things,
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blood levels of testosterone,
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the fact that
testosterone is not the end
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all because its
dependent on the hypothalamus
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and also pituitary,
other glands in the body
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and so it's not a
simple as looking at that,
00:15:15.12\00:15:17.48
but having said that
we looked at some things
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that can elevate it
00:15:19.31\00:15:20.42
and something that
can actually looked at
00:15:20.45\00:15:22.50
what could lower it and
we wanna look at some things
00:15:22.53\00:15:24.47
that could raise the
blood testosterone levels,
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is there any
accurate summary about this.
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Oh no, definitely
and in fact the things
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that can raise it are often
on the flip side of the things
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that lower in many cases, so
we're speaking about obesity,
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lowering testosterone.
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So, it's pretty obvious
one way to raise testosterone
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levels, as we've
mentioned is to lose weight.
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The same with
alcohol and tobacco,
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stopping those
substances can make a difference
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and the same with some
of these prescription drugs
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again we never recommend someone
00:15:56.82\00:15:59.19
just stop a prescription drug
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without
consulting with a physician,
00:16:00.88\00:16:02.61
but if it's a concern that this
00:16:02.64\00:16:04.67
is affecting your
testosterone levels,
00:16:04.70\00:16:06.57
it's something worth
discussing with your physician
00:16:06.60\00:16:08.97
see if there is an
alternate medication
00:16:09.00\00:16:10.63
that can accomplish the same,
there are some other things
00:16:10.66\00:16:13.26
though that we
haven't talk about,
00:16:13.29\00:16:15.09
one of them is short-term
weight training exercise.
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Well, that sounds Pretty manly.
00:16:18.76\00:16:19.92
It is manly. Want to
get your testosterone?
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That's right
start pumping some iron,
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actually there is
evidence, there is evidence
00:16:23.54\00:16:26.84
that this can help
boost testosterone levels.
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In fact a lot what we
often attribute to aging.
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We're finding in many dimensions
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is just related to inactivity
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and we're not
maintaining our bodies
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and so yes there tends to
be this decline in testosterone
00:16:40.47\00:16:44.26
overtime, but some
of that if we keep fit,
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weight training
exercise, keep lean,
00:16:47.52\00:16:49.45
we gonna see that much less.
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Let me give you
another example. Okay.
00:16:51.48\00:16:53.36
As we get older as men,
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we have an increase risk
of developing sleep apnea.
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Part of that
increase risk has to do
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if we tend to
gain weight overtime,
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but sleep apnea
and interrupted sleep,
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poor quality sleep is a known
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cause of depressing
testosterone levels.
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So, definitely check that out,
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it the ways but also checkout
there is a disturbing sleep.
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Yeah, here is the
situation, sleep apnea
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is such a big problem Don,
00:17:19.96\00:17:21.31
that if someone
is snoring at night,
00:17:21.37\00:17:23.67
if someone observes him
to stop breathing at night,
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this is something serious
00:17:28.23\00:17:29.48
not only because it can be
lowering testosterone levels,
00:17:29.51\00:17:32.17
but sleep apnea has
been associated with
00:17:32.20\00:17:35.18
heart rhythm problems,
00:17:35.21\00:17:36.33
it's been
associated with diabetes,
00:17:36.73\00:17:39.86
increase risk of diabetes,
00:17:39.89\00:17:41.23
high blood pressure,
there is a host of things
00:17:41.26\00:17:43.91
and of course
accidents during the day.
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Because these people
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are excessively
sleepy during the day,
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they're not
aware of it at night,
00:17:49.79\00:17:51.72
but we knew of
obstructive sleep apnea.
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You're actually
waking up often times,
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hundreds of times
throughout the night
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and you're
totally oblivious to it.
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And so you never
get that deep sleep,
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you never get
that rejuvenating sleep
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and you're always fatigued.
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That's right it's not though
as obvious as it may seem,
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you see because people at least
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what's happening at night,
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when you start to snore
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and then you stop breathing
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when your oxygen
level gets low enough,
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you're brain tells your
body to wake up and breath.
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You don't wake up though,
it's on a subconscious level.
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Umm, umm!
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So, someone says why
I've slept through the night,
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but I just feel wiped out,
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they have
actually at a brain level,
00:18:32.01\00:18:34.16
they have
awakened hundreds of times
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not at a conscious level.
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Okay, so if you
have any question about
00:18:37.87\00:18:40.77
that usually a pulmonologist
or somebody who has a lab,
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you can go there and
you can get it checked out.
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That's exactly right
00:18:45.55\00:18:46.52
and the interesting
relationship about sleep apnea
00:18:46.53\00:18:49.76
and testosterone,
it works both ways
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because now with
all this interest
00:18:52.31\00:18:53.93
and people trying to
boost their testosterone levels.
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Testosterone tends to
make sleep apnea worse.
00:18:56.65\00:19:00.03
So, someone who
just Willy-Nilly decides,
00:19:01.15\00:19:05.09
well I must be
low on testosterone,
00:19:05.12\00:19:06.91
I am going to start
taking these herbal preparations
00:19:06.94\00:19:09.03
that I can get
00:19:09.06\00:19:10.08
and see if I can boost
my testosterone levels,
00:19:10.34\00:19:13.04
they may actually, ironically,
00:19:13.07\00:19:15.69
make their problems worse.
00:19:16.46\00:19:18.74
With the sleep apnea?
00:19:19.01\00:19:20.24
With sleep apnea.
00:19:20.27\00:19:21.24
So, the hormone
replacement therapy
00:19:21.25\00:19:24.64
or suggested
hormone replacement therapy,
00:19:24.67\00:19:27.52
is something we talk
about a lot with women
00:19:27.55\00:19:29.44
who are going through
the change or whatever.
00:19:29.47\00:19:31.93
But, with men you
better think twice
00:19:31.96\00:19:34.32
about that is
what you are saying?
00:19:34.35\00:19:35.71
Well, we found that
we have to do that with
00:19:35.74\00:19:37.57
women as well, and
ladies know that today. Right.
00:19:37.60\00:19:40.38
This idea that, look at,
if you've a certain situation
00:19:41.55\00:19:46.53
when you're young and
it changes when you're old,
00:19:46.56\00:19:49.57
we can make you feel
like you're younger again
00:19:49.60\00:19:52.36
or restore your vitality
00:19:52.39\00:19:53.55
by try and make your
body more like it was
00:19:54.47\00:19:56.45
when you are in your 20s.
00:19:56.48\00:19:57.58
We've seen with
the female sex hormones
00:19:58.04\00:20:00.65
with the estrogen,
00:20:00.68\00:20:01.65
the progesterone
simply does not work.
00:20:01.66\00:20:03.41
Umm, umm!
00:20:03.45\00:20:04.42
And we should be
very careful because Don,
00:20:04.43\00:20:06.77
not only does
testosterone increase
00:20:06.80\00:20:11.11
sleep apnea
problems if they exist,
00:20:11.36\00:20:12.41
testosterone also
does some other bad things.
00:20:13.11\00:20:15.77
What's they do?
00:20:15.80\00:20:16.77
Lowers HDL levels.
00:20:16.78\00:20:18.23
Which is the happy density
lipoprotein, the healthy.
00:20:18.26\00:20:22.06
The healthy one
right, the good cholesterol,
00:20:22.43\00:20:24.33
you low that
00:20:24.36\00:20:25.45
when you start increasing
you're testosterone levels.
00:20:25.48\00:20:27.86
You do some other thing though
00:20:27.89\00:20:29.93
and that is you increase
your risk of your PSA going up,
00:20:29.96\00:20:33.64
you'll increase the
risk of prostate enlargement.
00:20:33.67\00:20:36.25
The biggest concern
00:20:36.28\00:20:37.87
is if you have got
an early prostate cancer
00:20:37.90\00:20:40.59
that's not been detected
00:20:40.62\00:20:41.77
and you start taking
00:20:41.80\00:20:43.08
something that's raising
your testosterone levels.
00:20:43.11\00:20:45.48
Not Good.
00:20:45.51\00:20:46.48
Not good at all,
00:20:46.49\00:20:47.46
you'll be feeding that cancer
00:20:47.47\00:20:48.44
and currently multiply problems.
00:20:48.45\00:20:49.60
So, it sounds like you're saying
00:20:49.63\00:20:51.85
think twice before
looking at replacement therapy.
00:20:52.49\00:20:56.79
That's exactly
right, this is not something
00:20:56.82\00:20:59.36
that we encourage lay
people to do on their own,
00:20:59.39\00:21:02.08
say look at read the
stuff on the Internet,
00:21:02.11\00:21:04.10
read the latest
book on Andropause,
00:21:04.13\00:21:06.50
and if you think
your symptoms fit
00:21:06.53\00:21:08.92
the whatever the author
is saying on the symptoms
00:21:08.95\00:21:09.92
of andropause start
taking some DHEA or DHEAS
00:21:11.72\00:21:16.11
or you know some other
00:21:16.14\00:21:17.17
hormonal pro-occurs receive
00:21:19.33\00:21:21.21
and get your
testosterone level up.
00:21:21.24\00:21:23.00
What I am saying is
that theoretically is advise
00:21:23.03\00:21:25.66
that's frought with problems.
00:21:25.69\00:21:26.71
So, why then on your website,
00:21:27.05\00:21:28.61
you know compasshealth.net,
00:21:28.64\00:21:30.20
you also list potential benefits
00:21:30.23\00:21:32.94
for many of the
things like increased
00:21:33.06\00:21:35.46
or improved insulin function,
00:21:36.07\00:21:37.56
decrease body fat mass,
00:21:37.59\00:21:39.54
increase bone health of
course a big one probably
00:21:39.89\00:21:43.03
the people are interested in,
00:21:43.06\00:21:44.03
increase libido
and sexual functioning,
00:21:44.04\00:21:46.85
potential benefits for
those that are having angina
00:21:46.88\00:21:50.26
and those are
also very positive.
00:21:50.88\00:21:52.74
Yes, and they are, but
you notice on the website
00:21:52.77\00:21:54.95
like when it's
speaking about libido,
00:21:55.11\00:21:56.71
its talking about the
people have the lowest levels
00:21:56.74\00:21:59.22
of the testosterone.
00:21:59.25\00:22:00.22
Yes, if you've got you
know testicular failure
00:22:00.23\00:22:03.44
okay you know
whatever for whatever reason
00:22:03.95\00:22:06.06
I mean if you've
testicular torsion,
00:22:06.09\00:22:08.01
you've a traumatic event,
00:22:08.04\00:22:09.50
you know when you
had a problem with one
00:22:10.37\00:22:12.06
of the other other
testicles earlier in life
00:22:12.09\00:22:13.88
yes you're testosterone
levels are very low,
00:22:13.91\00:22:16.17
we'll do a
testosterone measurement,
00:22:17.24\00:22:18.76
okay you're seeing their
endocrinologist or urologist
00:22:18.79\00:22:21.18
who walk you down their path.
00:22:21.21\00:22:22.61
Your
testosterone level is very low
00:22:22.64\00:22:24.61
and you don't have
a pituitary problem
00:22:25.59\00:22:27.52
or a brain problem
00:22:27.55\00:22:28.52
then yes
00:22:28.53\00:22:29.50
you may get some
profound benefits
00:22:29.75\00:22:31.70
if you really
have a problem with.
00:22:31.73\00:22:33.44
Umm, umm!
00:22:33.47\00:22:34.44
So, the website
is trying to give you
00:22:34.45\00:22:35.71
a balance prospective.
00:22:35.74\00:22:37.17
Yes, if you
really want testosterone
00:22:37.20\00:22:39.47
it can cause problems,
00:22:39.50\00:22:40.52
but by the same token
00:22:40.55\00:22:41.66
because of that
don't you treat yourself
00:22:41.69\00:22:44.21
with these
"natural preparations."
00:22:44.24\00:22:46.25
Okay, other benefits you
have mentioned on the site,
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benefits in
depression, mental functioning,
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but all of these you're saying.
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These potential benefits,
00:22:53.97\00:22:56.23
you better really know
00:22:56.26\00:22:57.75
what you are doing
before you look at those and say
00:22:57.78\00:22:59.85
I need all that.
00:22:59.88\00:23:00.89
You wanna make
sure you are deficient.
00:23:00.92\00:23:02.42
Umm, umm!
00:23:02.45\00:23:03.42
Okay and so that's a
laboratory diagnoses,
00:23:03.43\00:23:05.76
it's a clinical diagnoses,
00:23:05.79\00:23:07.39
you wanna be
working with a physician,
00:23:07.46\00:23:09.61
not just to
somebody who orders a test
00:23:09.64\00:23:11.43
over the phone for you
00:23:11.46\00:23:13.30
and doesn't even know
what time the test was done,
00:23:13.33\00:23:15.53
is not putting in the context
of what's going on with you,
00:23:15.78\00:23:18.23
you want that personal
relationship with a physician.
00:23:18.26\00:23:20.94
So, this is almost I mean
this topic is almost like,
00:23:21.10\00:23:23.97
you know, if you
have any question
00:23:24.73\00:23:27.65
I guess what I am
asking is for an action item.
00:23:27.85\00:23:29.68
If you have any
question what's so you're
00:23:29.71\00:23:31.16
testosterone level looking
at the science and symptoms
00:23:31.19\00:23:33.35
I comprehend and
your first step is may be
00:23:33.38\00:23:35.85
go to endocrinologist
or talk to your family
00:23:35.88\00:23:38.36
physician who refer you to one
00:23:38.39\00:23:39.83
and just check it out.
00:23:39.86\00:23:41.63
Well it's not
even that complicated.
00:23:41.66\00:23:44.07
Okay. I mean the
average family practitioner,
00:23:44.10\00:23:46.77
the average
internal medicine specialist,
00:23:46.80\00:23:48.76
can draw a simple blood test,
00:23:48.79\00:23:50.36
You know to check
your testosterone level,
00:23:50.83\00:23:53.37
to check your free
testosterone level if there is,
00:23:53.40\00:23:56.29
you know, if you
wanna be a little bit
00:23:56.32\00:23:57.29
more precise and if
those numbers are fine then.
00:23:57.30\00:24:02.03
Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it okay,
00:24:02.06\00:24:05.40
if they are really low. Okay.
00:24:05.43\00:24:07.56
And really low like below 200,
00:24:07.59\00:24:10.44
you definitely need to have
00:24:10.47\00:24:12.43
the pituitary function checked,
00:24:12.46\00:24:14.00
you wanna make sure
there is not something serious
00:24:14.03\00:24:16.51
going on and that's scenario
you don't just want to start
00:24:16.54\00:24:19.57
taking testosterone.
00:24:19.60\00:24:20.59
Umm, umm!
00:24:20.62\00:24:21.59
You wanna find out
00:24:21.80\00:24:22.77
why it's low first and
then get the proper treatment.
00:24:22.78\00:24:26.68
And if you're
Overweight take care
00:24:26.71\00:24:29.04
of that problem first.
00:24:29.07\00:24:30.04
Exactly and you see I think Don
00:24:30.05\00:24:32.57
as we have these dialogues
00:24:32.60\00:24:33.87
and we speak about this subject,
00:24:33.90\00:24:35.44
it just comes back to
me the same common themes,
00:24:35.47\00:24:38.57
what people want to do today
00:24:38.60\00:24:40.93
is what they always
wanted to take a short court.
00:24:41.28\00:24:42.25
They wanna take a
short cut to good health,
00:24:42.26\00:24:44.58
they wanna catch on
the latest heart diagnosis,
00:24:44.61\00:24:47.33
because I after all they
say I just don't feel like that
00:24:47.36\00:24:49.71
I used to feel or I have
never felt all that great,
00:24:49.74\00:24:52.20
they're looking
for something new
00:24:52.23\00:24:53.91
when often times
the simple thing,
00:24:53.94\00:24:55.99
exercise we
talked about, didn't we.
00:24:56.02\00:24:57.91
Yeah we talked
about stopping smoking,
00:24:57.94\00:25:00.00
we talked about
maybe pumping the iron.
00:25:00.03\00:25:02.19
That's exactly right.
00:25:02.31\00:25:03.28
All these lifestyle things
00:25:03.29\00:25:05.04
and so what happens is
00:25:05.53\00:25:07.31
when someone short
circuits their connection
00:25:07.34\00:25:10.30
that God has put there
00:25:10.33\00:25:11.30
between a healthy
lifestyle and healthy physiology
00:25:11.31\00:25:15.06
whether its testosterone levels,
00:25:15.09\00:25:17.16
whether it's cholesterol,
00:25:17.19\00:25:18.39
whether it's blood pressure.
00:25:18.42\00:25:19.39
All kinds of good things happen,
00:25:19.44\00:25:21.03
we follow good lifestyle.
00:25:21.06\00:25:22.58
We need to try to short circuit
00:25:22.61\00:25:24.21
that instead taking
whether its natural compounds
00:25:24.24\00:25:26.76
or prescription drugs you
start messing up physiology.
00:25:26.79\00:25:31.52
One of the things I
noticed on the website was that
00:25:31.55\00:25:34.95
when you take the
supplements it can increase
00:25:35.38\00:25:37.98
the hemoglobin
what causes problems.
00:25:38.01\00:25:40.04
It's that
testosterone connection.
00:25:40.35\00:25:41.82
If you are
actually taking supplements
00:25:41.85\00:25:43.23
that are raising
testosterone levels down
00:25:43.26\00:25:45.98
what you going to do?
00:25:46.01\00:25:47.17
As you are gonna tend to
raise your hemoglobin level
00:25:47.61\00:25:49.76
and now that may sound
wonderful to some people,
00:25:49.79\00:25:52.06
but actually
most people in America
00:25:52.11\00:25:54.55
are hypercoagulable,
their blood, yes.
00:25:54.58\00:25:58.32
Hypercoagulable. Yes.
00:25:58.35\00:26:00.60
Which means they are
just looking to clot.
00:26:00.63\00:26:03.25
That's right.
00:26:03.28\00:26:04.25
And they don't need
a higher concentration
00:26:04.26\00:26:07.11
of blood cells.
00:26:07.14\00:26:08.11
Okay. Okay.
00:26:08.12\00:26:09.46
So, in fact good
analogy, Don. Remember,
00:26:09.68\00:26:12.63
I don't know if you
remember hearing about this,
00:26:12.66\00:26:14.65
but there were a
number of cyclists,
00:26:14.68\00:26:16.25
elite, in a world class
cyclists who were dropping dead.
00:26:16.28\00:26:19.59
Didn't hear about it.
00:26:19.62\00:26:20.64
Okay, I am not a
big cyclist fan either,
00:26:20.67\00:26:22.72
but the medical
journals were reading about it.
00:26:22.75\00:26:25.48
It was big news.
00:26:25.51\00:26:26.48
A lot of these
leads cyclists were dying
00:26:26.49\00:26:29.39
and what they were doing
00:26:29.42\00:26:30.40
is their blood doping.
00:26:30.43\00:26:31.40
Okay, they were boosting up
00:26:31.59\00:26:33.48
their hemoglobin so that
they can carry more oxygen.
00:26:33.51\00:26:35.85
Not good.
00:26:35.88\00:26:36.85
Not good, because
00:26:36.86\00:26:37.83
when you get
little bit dehydrated
00:26:37.84\00:26:39.16
and you have got all
those blood cells in,
00:26:39.28\00:26:41.11
blood is likely to clot
00:26:41.14\00:26:42.68
and these people are
having heart attacks, 20,
00:26:42.71\00:26:44.51
30 year olds. Okay.
00:26:44.54\00:26:45.95
Just imagine, you're 70
years old, you boosting,
00:26:46.54\00:26:49.34
you know taken all
this extra testosterone
00:26:49.37\00:26:51.65
either without a prescription
00:26:53.35\00:26:54.86
or you are do in
a court naturally.
00:26:54.89\00:26:56.39
Listen your
testosterone level is fine,
00:26:56.82\00:26:59.02
live it alone, get
on a good lifestyle
00:26:59.05\00:27:01.05
even if it's a little
low and you wanna boost it,
00:27:01.08\00:27:03.26
boost the way,
exercise, stop smoking,
00:27:03.29\00:27:06.36
get rid of the alcohol,
00:27:06.39\00:27:07.62
these things can
make the real difference.
00:27:07.65\00:27:09.40
Dr. DeRose on your
website compasshealth.net
00:27:10.01\00:27:12.98
you have more this
material and you know,
00:27:13.01\00:27:15.88
this whole thing just
debate you are not ready
00:27:15.91\00:27:16.88
to write a book on it,
00:27:19.33\00:27:20.30
but you will at least given
us the principles to deal with.
00:27:20.31\00:27:23.22
Definitely you can
go there to the website
00:27:23.25\00:27:25.21
and tap into that information.
00:27:25.24\00:27:27.13
Well, thank you so much
for taking your time and again,
00:27:27.29\00:27:29.84
you know, spiritually speaking,
00:27:30.26\00:27:32.78
God designed
the body to kind of,
00:27:32.81\00:27:35.03
you know, work without
a lot of additional help
00:27:35.06\00:27:38.54
and that's really the message
00:27:38.57\00:27:39.82
we are sending as well as it.
00:27:39.85\00:27:41.03
That's exactly the message.
00:27:41.06\00:27:42.27
God's given us a
program of total health.
00:27:42.37\00:27:44.71
Let's just cooperate with him.
00:27:44.84\00:27:46.49
Follow the best lifestyle.
00:27:46.52\00:27:48.00
We will see benefits hormonally
00:27:48.03\00:27:49.61
as well as every
other way of life.
00:27:49.64\00:27:51.20
Well, thanks so
much for joining us
00:27:51.23\00:27:52.78
today in the program.
00:27:52.81\00:27:53.78
We appreciate what
you do on the website
00:27:53.79\00:27:55.14
and all this work,
00:27:55.17\00:27:56.14
and thank you all for joining
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