Hello and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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Today we're going to talk about
an unusual topic but something
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that many people
struggle with and that's fungus.
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Talking with us today about
fungus is Dr. David DeRose.
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He's started a ministry
called "CompassHealth. "
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compasshealth. net
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Dr. DeRose you're a specialist
in internal medicine and
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preventive medicine, you've
got a masters in public health
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this is kind of a blending
of both the medical and the
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ministry in
CompassHealth, isn't that right?
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That's exactly right.
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Basically we do things for
churches, community groups,
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we do things for the general
public as far as materials that
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we write, we have some videos
out, book, a number of things
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that really can put more
practical health information
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in people's hands, as well as
the media things that we do in
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radio and TV.
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You work together as a family
and this is kind of a family
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thing as well.
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Well, some of it is.
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Of course a lot of the
technical work I'm doing.
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My wife is also a
physician but she's a busy
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homeschooling mother as well,
trying to run the house, keep
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me in line as well as
three children, doesn't give her
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much time to do the medical
end of things in CompassHealth.
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She has a large corpas callosum.
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She has to keep all
those things together.
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Ok, lets talk then
about fungus today.
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What is a fungus and do a
lot of people struggle with a
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problems with fungus?
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Well, there's no question fungus
or yeast is actually a form of
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infectious condition.
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These are potentially infectious
organisms, if you will.
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They're different
than virus or bacteria.
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They can cause
human illness and disease.
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The most common things that
we see in most general practices
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are skin fungus infections but
there are a whole host of fungus
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infections that can effect
the lungs and other parts of the
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body and can be very serious
and even life threatening.
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Candida is it a fungus?
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Candida, sometimes called
Candida other times Canada
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but it's one of them
histoplasmosis, coccidiomycosis,
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blastomycosis, mucormycosis
- people's eyes are already
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glazing over. - laughter -
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These are all
just names for fungus.
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These are
different types of fungus.
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Some of those are
very bad fungus infections
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that are systemic.
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These other funguses, that
we call dermatophytids, they're
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funguses that reside on the
skin and cause skin problems.
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So the causes -
what causes a fungus?
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I'm sure it depends on where
it is, but some general causes.
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Well, the general perspective
at least on these skin fungus
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infections is that
these fungi are ubiquitous -
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they're all over.
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Different host factors,
whether it's genetic things,
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whether it's lifestyle
things predispose certain people
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to get skin fungal infections.
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We know certain environmental
factors have a role.
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For example if your
skin is broken down it's more
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susceptible to a
fungal infection.
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Fungi in general do best
in warm, moist environments.
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So warm, moist
conditions that can cause just a
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proliferation of this?
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It can cause a proliferation.
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It really sets the stage, if
you will, for ideal environment
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for these organisms.
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We're seeing this more and more
in our country because people
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are providing... they're
literally... it's like they're
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building houses for fungi.
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Have you ever
thought about this?
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No, and I don't think that's
what they set out to do, but
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what do you mean?
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Well, as we gain weight and we
get these skin folds, especially
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if we gain lots of weight,
what happens is those skin folds
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tend to be moist, warm areas and
people will often get what we
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call an intertriginous - between
the skin layers - dermatitis -
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an infection with these fungi
often times, these dramatify.
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And so they get this fungal
rash under their abdominal fat
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or in other fatty
areas of the body.
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So this is something really
that's becoming a big, big
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problem in our country
as we're gaining weight
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and becoming larger.
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What about having a
depressed immune system?
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This is important too, Don.
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People that have diabetes,
people that immune system
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impairment they are more
predisposed to these infections.
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So in other words,
if you're a diabetic...
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how does that really work?
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Well, actually blood sugar,
we've known this for years,
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is something that
actually interferes with normal
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immune system processes.
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It's actually
not just in diabetes.
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Many of our viewers have
probably heard of studies that
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were done many years ago
where people ate simple sugars.
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The classic studies with just
plain sugar but they've done
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this with juice,
honey, and other things.
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You raise the blood
sugar quickly and that actually
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interferes with the ability of
the white blood cells to fight
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micro-organisms.
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So whatever's happening with
blood sugar is likely part of
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the connection with
diabetes and why diabetes has
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immune suppressing effects.
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We also know that those high
blood sugars complex, they join
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up with important proteins in
the body, and this probably also
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plays a role - especially
in uncontrolled diabetes.
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So depression of the immune
system comes as a result of
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the elevating sugars, but I've
also heard that when someone is
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obese or someone overweight
they're in a state of infection,
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is that right or wrong?
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Well, it's an inflammatory
condition, if you will.
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What happens is, as we gain
weight, especially around the
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middle, this visceral fat,
this fat around the organs,
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it actually stimulates some
inflammatory hormones in the
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body that do have a
number of deleterious processes.
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It seems like this is
some of what drives insulin
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resistance some of these
metabolic products that are
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actually inflammatory chemicals.
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So diabetes these other things
if you have them, they certainly
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can set you up for
fungal infections as well.
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What about Cushing's syndrome?
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Well, Cushing's syndrome
is another basically hormonal
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condition.
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Often times people with
Cushing's will have excess
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weight so they have those
skin fold problems, they have
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the disordered blood sugar -
we could go through a whole list
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of examples like this - HIV
infection, we could talk about
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people who have had transplants,
kidney and liver transplants.
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These people are taking
anti-rejection drugs that are
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suppressing their immune system.
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So the common denominator
that we have here are these
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host factors - whether it's
a drug you're taking or whether
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it's a disease -
it's increasing the risk.
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So we've got the host factors
that increase the risk for
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fungal infections and then we've
got the environmental factors.
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One of the things that
people don't often think about
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when it comes to the
environmental factors is the
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clothes they wear.
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Like clothes that cause moisture
and all those bad stuff?
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That's right!
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Nylon for example
holds in moisture.
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Cotton is the best
type of clothing to wear.
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If you've got athlete's
foot - wear cotton socks.
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Wear more breathable shoes
and if you can wear sandals
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or if you don't have to
wear socks in the summer time
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wear the sandals and
go without the socks.
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What you want to do is
you want to get a cool,
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cooler at least, dry,
and more air circulating.
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These are the things that we
want to keep in mind when you're
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trying to suppress these
fungal infections or remove
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the possibility
for them arising.
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Are there genetic factors
that drive fungal infections?
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There seem to
be genetic factors.
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I'm going to be honest
with you, I'm not an expert
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in the genetics of host
factors when it comes to
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fungal infection but there
definitely seems to be some
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pre-dispositions host wise
as far as the individual whether
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it has to do with skin quality,
whether it has to do with skin
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oil production.
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There's a variety of
things that theoretically may be
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impacting how well a person
can fend off these organisms
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that are all around us.
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You have something
written down here - atopy?
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That refers to
atopic conditions.
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These are allergic conditions.
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Skin is often affected in this,
like young children many times
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have an atopic problem.
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And they may get
facial rashes or other things.
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There maybe some
food relationships.
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The bottom line - if you've got
an allergic condition that has
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skin manifestations, that is
lowering resistance to the skin
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to other problems and so these
fungi can then get in and cause
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a fungus infection.
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Now if someone has a question
normally they would see their
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general physician
and maybe a dermatologist
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for some of these things?
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Exactly.
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If you know it's a fungus
infection or it's just related
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to the skin, dermatologist...
I mean they're the experts
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when it comes to
these skin infections.
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Many general practitioners,
though, have a lot of experience
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dealing with some of the
more simple things that occur
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frequently because
they just see it so often.
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So, we're going to
look at some practical ways
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to treat these things.
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Are we ready to move there?
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Is there anything
else we need to understand?
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No, I think that's where
we want to go because we want
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to make the program practical.
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Ok, let's look at some
of those practical things.
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Work us through
some things we can do.
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Because these fungal infections
can effect all different parts
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of the body, one of the
common ones is athlete's foot
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we've mentioned it already.
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Let's talk about
that first of all.
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Strategies again.
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Remember the environment
you want to keep cool and dry.
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We've talked about the clothing.
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We've talked about something
that may have passed by people.
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That is, when it comes to
moisture content, they may have
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read between the lines,
but where is the most common
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place that you're exposed
to moisture when it comes
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to your feet?
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Probably in the shower,
sometimes a collective shower
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maybe where all the other
athlete's have taken a shower.
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Ok, you're right.
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Is that where you pick it up?
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Is it contagious?
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Yes, there is evidence that
people who are using communal
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bath facilities, like
athletes, are at higher risk
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of these things.
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My mother really wanted me to
be a "sissy" when I was a boy,
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you know that?
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No, I didn't know that, but...
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'Cause she didn't
succeed, hopefully, is what you
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were thinking! - laughter -
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But what she wanted me to do,
was when I was a high school kid
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she wanted me to wear thongs,
sandals, in the shower room!
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Because of this athlete's foot?
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Yes!
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I wasn't going to do that!
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And so you got athlete's foot?
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Did I tell you this already?
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No, but I can almost guess!
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I did and then I started wearing
the thongs so I wouldn't give
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it to anyone else!
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Whether that helped or
not... but you see the point?
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Mom knew best again!
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I should have listened to her.
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But this is an
important risk factor.
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But here's the other point.
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We're talking
about treatment now.
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You got the
athlete's foot already.
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What do you do when
you come out of the shower?
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You dry your feet off, you open
them up to air, you put sandals
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on maybe... I don't know.
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But how do you dry your feet?
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This is the question.
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With a towel.
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Well, you know what?
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Often people dry the area
that's effected by the fungus
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incorrectly.
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If they've got it affecting
their feet, under a layer of fat
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in their abdomen, in their
private area, and around their
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bottom, these are all
common places to have these
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fungal infections, and people
say, "I got to keep it dry. "
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So they go ahead and get that
terry towel and they dry between
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their toes or they dry in
some other areas - that's wrong.
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It's wrong because the
skin when it's moist is very
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susceptible to
physical agitation or
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physical irritation.
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So what you do is dab it.
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You blot it dry.
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To get it really, really
well dry, use a blow dryer
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on a low heat setting.
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Spread you toes apart, use
the blow dryer after you've
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blotted it dry, just kind
of pat on top of the feet or
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under the areas that
you're treating and then get it
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really dry before
you put the clothing on.
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If you didn't listen to
your mother about the thongs
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it's not going to be too
many people listen about the
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blow dryer but - laughter -
but that's still good advice.
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Yes, it is good advice.
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I'd say my
mom's advice was good.
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We've got to give all
the wisdom that's out there
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because you know what?
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Most people don't get
motivated to prevent something,
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they get motivated to treat it.
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That was the case for me.
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Aside from drying it off and
aside from doing all the things
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you said that are
natural things, are there any
00:13:37.59\00:13:39.32
medications that you
need for athlete's foot?
00:13:39.36\00:13:41.02
There are medications many
people have used, the ointments,
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the lotions, the
over-the-counter things.
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And those things are fine.
00:13:47.11\00:13:48.28
They're often effective.
00:13:48.32\00:13:49.42
The problem is most people
don't use them long enough.
00:13:49.46\00:13:54.57
Lot's of times it's the itch
cycle or something like that,
00:13:54.60\00:13:59.68
that you noted on your webpage.
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Talk to us about the itch cycle.
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There's what we sometimes
call the scratch-itch cycle.
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I can tell you, Don, listen,
we're on the air, maybe your
00:14:08.95\00:14:13.11
mom told you this,
"Don't scratch yourself,
00:14:13.14\00:14:15.68
people are watching you!"
00:14:15.72\00:14:17.45
During the public times
or during the waking hours
00:14:17.49\00:14:23.55
we can say even if no one is
watching us, we're going to say,
00:14:23.59\00:14:26.62
"Look it, the Doctor told
me if I scratch this area it's
00:14:26.66\00:14:29.73
just making it worse because I'm
disturbing the skin integrity. "
00:14:29.76\00:14:33.67
What happens at night?
00:14:33.71\00:14:35.75
What happens when
you're sleeping and you've got
00:14:35.79\00:14:38.47
an area that itches?
00:14:38.50\00:14:39.47
What do you think you do?
00:14:39.48\00:14:40.45
You scratch it.
00:14:40.46\00:14:41.43
You don't have any
higher cortical control while
00:14:41.44\00:14:44.05
you're asleep.
00:14:44.09\00:14:45.06
So it is important many times
if the skin is being disturbed
00:14:45.07\00:14:49.66
to break that
scratch-itch cycle.
00:14:49.69\00:14:51.36
Many of these anti-fungal
preparations, medications,
00:14:51.40\00:14:56.51
will have something
for the itch in it as well.
00:14:56.55\00:15:01.15
A classic one will
be some Hydrocortisone.
00:15:01.19\00:15:04.02
Now this is ironic
because cortisone drugs actually
00:15:04.05\00:15:08.88
suppress the immune system.
00:15:08.92\00:15:10.86
So they are not
good over the long haul?
00:15:10.89\00:15:12.67
They are not good
over the long haul.
00:15:12.71\00:15:14.42
They also, the more
potent ones, can thin the skin.
00:15:14.46\00:15:18.17
Hmmm, not good, because
that makes it easier to be
00:15:18.20\00:15:21.88
introducing
secondary pathogens perhaps.
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That's right.
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So really, although these are
sometimes included and we can
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get away with it sometimes,
some people if they have a real
00:15:29.66\00:15:32.99
resistant fungal infection,
using these common preparations
00:15:33.02\00:15:36.07
that have the steroids in them
will only frustrate the problem.
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Welcome back.
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We're talking
with Dr. David De Rose.
00:16:51.55\00:16:53.50
We've been talking
about fungal infections.
00:16:53.53\00:16:55.42
Much of the
information that we cover today
00:16:55.45\00:16:58.34
is going to be covered more in
depth on Dr. De Rose's webpage
00:16:58.37\00:17:03.48
compasshealth. net
00:17:03.51\00:17:06.70
Thank you for providing
that expansion on what we're
00:17:06.73\00:17:12.53
talking about today.
00:17:12.56\00:17:13.56
We're talking about fungal
infections and you've noticed
00:17:13.59\00:17:16.04
several basic things:
avoiding moist conditions,
00:17:16.07\00:17:20.45
communal baths,
immuno-suppression, and then
00:17:20.48\00:17:24.22
some more specific
conditions that can lead to
00:17:24.25\00:17:27.42
Cushing's syndrome, or HIV,
or these other things that can
00:17:27.45\00:17:30.71
break down the
ability for the body to fight
00:17:30.74\00:17:34.46
against these things.
00:17:34.49\00:17:35.51
We've talked about atopy,
genetic predispositions, and
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we started to
talk about treatments.
00:17:39.41\00:17:40.55
Question comes to mind though.
00:17:40.58\00:17:42.21
Are fungal
infections the same as eczema?
00:17:42.24\00:17:44.75
Is there a difference?
00:17:44.78\00:17:45.75
Oh no, very different.
00:17:45.76\00:17:46.73
Eczema is not a fungal infection
but eczema is related in that,
00:17:46.74\00:17:51.31
like the scenario we were
talking about earlier, any type
00:17:51.34\00:17:54.71
of skin problem can lower
the resistance of that skin
00:17:54.74\00:18:01.29
to fungal infection.
00:18:01.32\00:18:03.36
Eczema actually has
some seasonal variations
00:18:03.39\00:18:07.82
in people when the air is colder
and dryer, containing less
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moisture.
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People that are predisposed
to eczema will often have
00:18:13.50\00:18:14.81
more problems.
00:18:14.84\00:18:15.83
Doctors and nurses we're at
high risk, washing our hands
00:18:15.86\00:18:20.19
so frequently,
often get a hand eczema.
00:18:20.22\00:18:24.05
So the idea is to moisturize
as well as washing the skin.
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Use a good moisturizer
as well after you wash.
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The reason it came to my mind
is because one of the treatments
00:18:33.02\00:18:35.73
you were suggesting for a
fungal infection is something
00:18:35.76\00:18:38.19
that sometimes they use
with eczema that being a
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cortisone based cream.
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Exactly.
00:18:43.92\00:18:44.89
The cortisone does not
actually treat the fungus.
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So just using a cortisone
cream on a fungal infection will
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actually tend to make it worse.
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What they often try
to get away with doing...
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I'm more of a purist.
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I sensed that. - laughter-
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You did? - laughter-
00:19:01.14\00:19:02.11
I like to treat the problem.
00:19:02.12\00:19:03.91
So I tend not to use
the cortisone containing
00:19:03.95\00:19:06.81
preparations initially.
00:19:06.84\00:19:07.81
But many of my colleagues will
say, "Look it De Rose get off
00:19:07.84\00:19:11.44
the purist kick and just be
realistic, you can give a little
00:19:11.47\00:19:16.60
cortisone mixed in
with these things. "
00:19:16.63\00:19:18.52
There are many commercial
preparations and like I said
00:19:18.55\00:19:21.21
many people can get away with
using these but others don't.
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They've got to drop the
cortisone out of the preparation
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then use something
else for the itching.
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Whether it's an antihistamine
orally or something topical
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I'll tell you an
interesting thing.
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A lot of people don't
know this but Calamine lotion,
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you know a lot of people think
of using it for poison ivy,
00:19:38.93\00:19:42.39
well it's a drying lotion.
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So you could use it
for a fungal problem.
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You could actually use
it... it's not a treatment for a
00:19:46.67\00:19:50.30
fungus but if you've been
treating... if you've got like a
00:19:50.33\00:19:53.13
chronic fungal infection,
chronic athlete's foot problem,
00:19:53.16\00:19:56.02
you don't want to take one of
the oral anti-fungal medications
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because you're
afraid of the side effects.
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And there are some
reasons to be afraid.
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Some of these are very
potent drugs that cause
00:20:02.84\00:20:05.13
liver irritation
and other things.
00:20:05.16\00:20:06.97
You say, "Look it, I just want
to keep the area very clean,
00:20:07.00\00:20:10.88
dry, cool. "
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The Calamine lotion or a
Caladryl that includes Benadryl
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with an anti-itching
compound may actually help.
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If you can break the cycle
sometimes with that itching,
00:20:18.93\00:20:22.66
sometimes that in and of itself
will allow it to heal and that
00:20:22.69\00:20:25.86
may be what was perpetuating it.
00:20:25.89\00:20:27.47
So, just like in athlete's foot
you said to dry it by blotting
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or dabbing rather than
irritating it because that's
00:20:32.58\00:20:35.78
almost like a itch cycle.
00:20:35.81\00:20:37.21
Exactly.
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So, if you have things in other
places, your private areas,
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you'd do the same kind
of thing - keep it dry.
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Well, the private areas
are really difficult areas to
00:20:42.78\00:20:49.84
handle sometimes.
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There are
several reasons for that.
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One of them is there is
the micro biologic environment
00:20:52.03\00:20:58.04
there is different.
00:20:58.07\00:20:59.04
Especially if you think of
where the colon empties out.
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We're continually exposing
that area to some of the
00:21:02.73\00:21:06.82
bi products of
our digestive system.
00:21:06.85\00:21:09.45
Some of the strategies
that seem to make a difference
00:21:09.48\00:21:13.45
in people that have problems
in those areas is actually
00:21:13.48\00:21:17.54
looking very closely at
their diet, avoiding lots of
00:21:17.57\00:21:19.95
simple sugars.
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The theory behind that is we're
going to provide less food for
00:21:21.20\00:21:24.34
the yeast that thrive
on those simple sugars
00:21:24.38\00:21:28.00
in that environment.
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Another strategy that is
sometimes used is probiotics,
00:21:29.08\00:21:32.58
these so-called "good
bacteria" like lactobacillus.
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These can be taken orally.
00:21:36.11\00:21:37.59
And there are some suggestions
that this may help to address
00:21:37.63\00:21:40.87
some of the problems that
you may have in the rectal area
00:21:40.90\00:21:44.10
or other areas.
00:21:44.14\00:21:45.33
So we're talking about two
different things - things that
00:21:45.37\00:21:48.84
stop the itching cycle and
all that, but then the actual
00:21:48.87\00:21:52.31
treatment of the fungus
- what should people take
00:21:52.34\00:21:54.34
for that, it's not just
sometimes go away on it's own?
00:21:54.38\00:21:57.42
No, actually many
times you do need something.
00:21:57.45\00:21:59.77
There are some
natural strategies that work.
00:21:59.81\00:22:02.29
It depends where
the fungal infection is
00:22:02.32\00:22:04.77
whether or not you use these.
00:22:04.80\00:22:06.82
Garlic has anti-fungal
properties for example.
00:22:06.86\00:22:11.00
Some people have had
success using garlic powder.
00:22:11.03\00:22:15.11
It's not something that I've
actually used but the natural
00:22:15.14\00:22:18.37
things that I tend to
use first are tea tree oil.
00:22:18.41\00:22:23.30
This you have on the webpage?
00:22:23.34\00:22:25.75
That's right,
it's on the webpage.
00:22:25.79\00:22:27.48
Tea tree oil has
natural anti-fungal properties.
00:22:27.51\00:22:31.82
You have to be careful
with it though because there's a
00:22:31.85\00:22:34.78
significant percentage of people
that do get allergic to the
00:22:34.81\00:22:38.85
tea tree oil.
00:22:38.88\00:22:39.85
So you need to
be mindful of that.
00:22:39.86\00:22:41.03
If that doesn't work,
what is your second line?
00:22:41.07\00:22:42.89
Well, not necessarily the second
line, but another one that's a
00:22:42.92\00:22:46.95
actually can be
effective is vinegar.
00:22:46.99\00:22:49.38
Vinegar actually has
anti-fungal properties.
00:22:49.42\00:22:52.71
Garlic powder?
00:22:52.75\00:22:54.08
Garlic powder and
calendula is another herb.
00:22:54.11\00:22:57.09
Calendula, what's that?
00:22:57.13\00:22:58.18
Calendula is an herb that
has some anti-fungal properties.
00:22:58.21\00:23:01.95
There's a number of these
herbs and natural products
00:23:01.99\00:23:04.84
that can be used for people that
gravitate in that direction.
00:23:04.87\00:23:08.02
And then there are some of the
over-the-counter, you don't need
00:23:08.05\00:23:11.16
a prescription, anti-fungals:
Lotrimines, Monistat,
00:23:11.20\00:23:15.20
Mycostatin, things like
this that can be used on
00:23:15.24\00:23:19.21
fungal areas.
00:23:19.24\00:23:20.21
Usually they work
quite good - Tinactin powders
00:23:20.22\00:23:22.78
and things like this.
00:23:22.81\00:23:23.97
Many times they do work well.
00:23:24.01\00:23:26.29
And then there's probably
a whole class of drugs or
00:23:26.33\00:23:29.44
regiments that you
can only get from your
00:23:29.47\00:23:31.05
doctor, dermatologist or
your general practice person?
00:23:31.08\00:23:34.46
Yes, especially if you've
got a resistant fungal infection
00:23:34.50\00:23:37.84
and it's going to
require something oral.
00:23:37.88\00:23:39.62
Some of these prescription drugs
can be very expensive, they need
00:23:39.66\00:23:44.93
to be monitored,
and some of them do have
00:23:44.96\00:23:46.84
significant toxicity.
00:23:46.87\00:23:48.52
Do you make a difference
on the webpage between topical
00:23:48.56\00:23:51.58
anti-fungal
preparations and systemic drugs?
00:23:51.61\00:23:54.18
I appreciate you highlighting
that because sometimes
00:23:54.22\00:23:58.12
the terminology we use in
professional circles is not
00:23:58.16\00:24:02.03
familiar to lay people.
00:24:02.06\00:24:03.34
Topical is what
you put on the skin.
00:24:03.37\00:24:06.41
Generally these topical
things are readily available,
00:24:06.44\00:24:10.06
many options at
least, over the counter.
00:24:10.09\00:24:12.15
The thing is, Don, while
we're talking about the topical,
00:24:12.18\00:24:14.52
I'll mention the systemic again.
00:24:14.55\00:24:16.76
That's the oral things you take
that go through out the body.
00:24:16.79\00:24:19.77
People need to make sure
that they treat these things.
00:24:19.80\00:24:23.75
Usually what we'll say is a
minimum sometimes of two weeks.
00:24:23.78\00:24:27.58
And make sure you continue
the treatment for a week after
00:24:27.61\00:24:31.27
the infection is cleared.
00:24:31.30\00:24:32.60
That's one rule of
thumb for going about this.
00:24:32.63\00:24:34.86
So it's like an antibiotic?
00:24:34.89\00:24:35.89
Yes, a lot of people will treat
it, they'll knock it out, and
00:24:35.92\00:24:39.83
what they've really done
is they've allowed, at least
00:24:39.86\00:24:42.87
theoretically, that fungus
or yeast to become resistant
00:24:42.90\00:24:48.04
to whatever because
they've knocked it down enough
00:24:48.07\00:24:50.12
but they didn't wipe it out.
00:24:50.15\00:24:51.46
So make sure you use it for
a week after you've eradicated
00:24:51.49\00:24:56.07
it - at least
visibly eradicated.
00:24:56.10\00:24:58.55
You have some specifics here
in applying vinegar - kind of a
00:24:58.58\00:25:03.51
formula: 1/2 calendula,
1/2 oz. myrrh, 1/2 qt. vinegar
00:25:03.54\00:25:10.74
you have these on your webpage
for actual treatments if you're
00:25:10.77\00:25:15.46
going that natural way.
00:25:15.49\00:25:16.48
That's right.
00:25:16.51\00:25:17.48
Myrrh is another agent that's
been used in these preparations
00:25:17.49\00:25:20.54
like you point out.
00:25:20.57\00:25:21.54
So there are recipes
that have been used in more
00:25:21.55\00:25:24.25
natural combinations
and that's one of them.
00:25:24.28\00:25:26.40
Fungus under the nails?
00:25:26.43\00:25:27.66
Fungus under the nails or
nail fungus it's really a fungus
00:25:27.69\00:25:31.14
that actually
infects the nail itself.
00:25:31.17\00:25:33.21
Those can be very resistant
especially the toe nail.
00:25:33.24\00:25:36.66
There is research data done in
the medical research literature
00:25:36.69\00:25:41.83
showing that tea tree oil
in a percentage of people is
00:25:41.86\00:25:45.47
an effective treatment.
00:25:45.50\00:25:46.66
Now when I say "effective
treatment" we're not talking
00:25:46.69\00:25:49.45
50, 60, 70 percent.
00:25:49.48\00:25:51.75
It's a minority of people but
if someone wants to go with a
00:25:51.78\00:25:55.39
natural treatment,
you're talking a 3- 6 months
00:25:55.42\00:25:57.80
whatever you do.
00:25:57.83\00:25:58.80
If you're doing something
topical on the toenails
00:25:58.81\00:26:00.89
they're slow to grow and
you need to be committed to the
00:26:00.92\00:26:04.70
long haul for applying
this treatment topically.
00:26:04.73\00:26:08.54
Garlic?
00:26:08.57\00:26:09.65
Garlic like I say does have
these anti-fungal properties.
00:26:09.69\00:26:12.60
The problem with garlic
is it is an irritant as well.
00:26:12.64\00:26:15.52
So is the vinegar.
00:26:15.55\00:26:16.52
You've got to be careful if
the skin is very raw you're not
00:26:16.53\00:26:19.89
going to want to
put vinegar on it.
00:26:19.93\00:26:21.57
It's not going to necessarily
win you any popularity contest
00:26:21.61\00:26:26.60
at least me, because
I'm the one talking about
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it here on the air. - laughter -
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As always these suggestions
are always helpful and there's
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a lot more that
could be talked about.
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There's some of this on
the webpage compasshealth. net
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You're a Christian clinician
and I want to hear a spiritual,
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hopeful thought perhaps that
we could share as we're closing
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out this segment.
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You know we've been talking
today about two strategies
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treating a problem once you
have it and then preventing it
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from ever occurring.
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I find that the Lord
is so wonderful doing that
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in scriptures.
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He both provides treatments
for our point of need.
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He offers us the
help that we need.
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We can come to Him
with our health problems,
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spiritual problems, but He
also has a preventive program.
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I really see as a physician
His Word often is a textbook
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on public health
preventive medicine.
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Well, thank you so much,
Dr. De Rose, for joining us.
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And thank you also for putting
the material together on the
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website compasshealth. net
and for the ministry of actually
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service, I mean seminars, and
working with people, making this
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material
accessible to the public.
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We're just glad we can do it.
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Thank you for joining us
on Health for a Lifetime.
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Today's program has been very
practical and I hope that it has
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immediate use for you.
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If you need more information
visit those resources.
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Thanks for joining us.
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