Hello and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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Today we're going to be talking
about a problem that's very
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large in America and
in Western countries.
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And it's spreading to
other parts of the world
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and that's diabetes.
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Many people watching this
program today know someone
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who has diabetes or they're
suffering with it themselves.
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Today to talk with us
about this important subject is
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Dr. David DeRose.
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He's a physician
from southern Oklahoma.
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He is a specialist in internal
medicine and also preventive
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medicine, in other words
preventing this very type
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of problem and then
helping you if you do have it.
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We're glad
you're with us Doctor.
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It's great to be with you, Don.
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We've known each
other for a number of years.
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You've been
practicing about 20 years?
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Somewhere in that range.
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It's been an exciting journey
because the Lord was the one
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that interested me in medicine
and I continue to want Him
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to have first place in my life.
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You do a lot of different things
but you're involved in your own
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ministry - compasshealth. net
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Tell me a little bit about that.
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Compass Health is
really a ministry at heart.
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We are set up as a for profit
entity because we're set up
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under the laws of Oklahoma
so that we can actually practice
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medicine under the company.
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Compass Health actually is
focused on health education.
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We do a lot with health media,
video, TV, radio, and seminars.
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But the Lord is prompting,
moving us more into strictly
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evangelistic lines.
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Really what we see in
the ministry of Christ
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is we see this combination
of ministry to the physical body
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and the spiritual needs.
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We believe the Lord is calling
many physicians to this kind
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of model of ministry.
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Some in their own practices.
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In our work we're doing
it more in a public venues
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either through media, through
seminars, and through writing.
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Some of the things that
we cover today probably be
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available on your website.
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Exactly.
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We have a number of
free resources on the website
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as well as some
videos and a book.
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Let's get into our
subject today - diabetes.
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What is diabetes and
how big a problem is it?
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Diabetes as you illustrated
earlier in the program
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is a huge problem.
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The numbers are growing 15,
20 million people and rising
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just in the United States alone.
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Diabetes is
actually commonly divided,
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at least sugar
diabetes or diabetes mellitus,
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there are some other
rarer types of diabetes
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that have to do
with fluid balance.
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One is called diabetes insipidus
but that's not what most people
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think of in lay circles.
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They think of the sugar
diabetes, the diabetes mellitus,
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two major types -
Type I and Type II.
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We also talk about
gestational diabetes
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in women who are pregnant.
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But Type I is the diabetes
that we used to think of
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as occurring only in
kids, the so called autoimmune,
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body-attacking itself type
diabetes where the pancreas
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is wiped out - at least the part
of the pancreas that controls
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blood sugar - the insulin making
part of the pancreas called the
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Islets cells.
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Type II is what we used
to call adult onset diabetes.
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We are going to be talking
more about Type II, right?
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Exactly.
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The principles that we'll talk
about today they can be applied
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to Type I diabetes as well.
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But the challenge is
when someone has full-blown
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Type I diabetes they're not
making any insulin they have
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a life or death need
to have insulin delivered.
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Then Type II they may
be able to stop, reverse,
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better yet prevent.
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Yes.
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The terminology gets very
"gray" and we get into heated
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discussions in professional
circles about what terms to use.
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But we know that diabetes
Type II is largely a lifestyle
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related disease placed
on top of a background of
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genetics susceptibility.
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So let's then get into what we
can do with natural treatments,
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I guess we could call it or
approaches to diabetes control.
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Well, you know, Don, when people
hear that - natural approaches,
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I think the average person, at
least from my dealing with them,
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they're thinking,
"Let's go to the drug store
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or the health food
store and take some vitamins,
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minerals, or supplements. "
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There is good news.
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We're going to talk about
some of those things because
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there are a number of
plant compounds that have a very
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positive role in
dealing with diabetes.
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But the problem is no one
gets diabetes because they're
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not taking enough
vanadium. - laughter -
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That's not the
root cause of diabetes.
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Vanadium deficiency...
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Now vanadium does help.
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Just an illustration, it can
help in certain cases, at least
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that's what the
evidence suggests.
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But, Don, the root cause, you
know this, are lifestyle things.
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So it's dietary choices
we're making or not making, it's
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carrying extra weight, it's
not being physically active -
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those are the big three.
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Those we speak about
natural approaches have to be
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the place where we start.
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Ok, let's start there
with weight reduction.
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Weight Reduction
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The big problem when it comes
to Type II diabetes, at least it
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seems to be the root cause
in many cases, is what we call
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insulin resistance.
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Insulin is what's made by the
pancreas and it gets into the
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system but it's resisted.
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That's right.
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The body is not responding to
insulin like it's supposed to.
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For every pound of extra
weight a person carries that is
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gradually ratcheting up the
level of insulin resistance.
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So carrying an extra 20
pounds is not good for your
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insulin sensitivity.
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Insulin doesn't work as well.
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But carrying 200
extra pounds is much worse.
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So weight reduction is key.
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Yes and you don't have to be
down to the model size that you
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see in the local tabloid.
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Loosing any weight
helps insulin sensitivity.
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You know someone said to me
it's not the weight that you see
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on the outside but it's the
weight that's around the organs.
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Is that right?
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We call it visceral adiposity.
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It is probably better for
our listeners that we call it
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weight around the organs.
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But it's that
middle section weight.
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We often speak of apple and
pear shapes when we look at how
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people are proportioned.
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Men in general tend to carry
more of their excess weight
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around the middle.
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Some women tend to pack
that weight on the hips.
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The bottom line is that weight
that is carried on the hips
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is not as metabolically active.
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It's not messing up the
metabolic machinery as much
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as that weight carried
around the middle which reflects
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fat around the organs this
so called visceral adiposity.
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So what are the approaches
that you share at Compass Health
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for getting rid of the weight
- liposuction, amputation - what
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are the approaches?
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Well, it's interesting
that you mention that, Don.
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You'd think just
sucking all that fat out
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would be a great way to go.
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The problem is it's a
lifestyle related condition.
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So just to suck the fat out
you're going to put it back on
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if you don't
change your lifestyle.
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So the bottom line
strategies are lifestyle.
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They are diet and exercise
which actually are the other
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two cornerstones to the process.
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It's not just a cyclical
argument because certain dietary
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decisions are
involved in weight reduction.
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Others have a
specific involvement with
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insulin resistance that
we'll talk about in a minute.
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So weight reduction you're
suggesting not some kind of
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simple chop it off or
suck it out type of thing, but
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through exercise and diet.
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Let's talk about
each of those now.
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Exercise - Exercise will
help a person as far as their
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blood sugar, their insulin
sensitivity, regardless of
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whether they loose even a pound.
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Ok, so how does that work?
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Exercise actually has an
insulin permissive effect.
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It acts like insulin to help
move sugar from the blood stream
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into the muscles.
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So it is very useful.
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It's also helps to lower insulin
resistance in and of itself.
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So when it does that, not
only is it helping address the
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diabetes but it helps to
address a number of other
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conditions like
cholesterol problems and
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high blood pressure.
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So even if you don't
loose any weight all by exercise
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it helps the insulin be produced
and it helps it get where
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it needs to go?
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Simply put - yes.
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It's a
insulin-like lifestyle activity.
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We're being a bit simplistic
here but I think the message
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we want to give is exercise
is, if you want to describe it
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this way, an insulin equivalent.
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It helps to move sugar
out of the blood stream.
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So what type of
exercise - walking?
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Maybe I should mention this.
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We're trying to reach this
balance between making things
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understandable to a lay audience
and not making it so simple
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that we give some
gross distortions.
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There is something very
important to mention here.
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If your blood sugar is
very high, we're talking like
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300 range typically or
higher, the exercise that you do
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will actually have more
of an effect in raising your
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blood sugar than lowering it.
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Now it may sound totally crazy
in the light of what I'm saying.
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But you need some insulin around
in the body because exercise
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is designed to stimulate
sugar release from the liver
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as well as blood sugar up take
- taking sugar out of the blood.
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The reason for that is, Don, you
and I right now if we were to
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go out and play tennis - I'm not
a tennis player, maybe you are,
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but we've only got enough sugar
in our blood stream to probably
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last us 10 or 15 minutes.
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And so what exercise does,
the way the Lord's designed us,
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exercise stimulates both
sugar release and sugar up take.
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That's what make it
go up and people over...
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That's right.
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You need some insulin around,
though, to potentiate that.
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The Type I diabetic can't say,
"Hey, no insulin, I'm just going
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to run a marathon. "
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They will probably drop dead
with a blood sugar of 500 and
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fall into a coma somewhere
along side of the road.
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It's not funny.
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No, it's not.
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So then, what type of exercise?
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What we recommend is people
who are inactive start with
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moderate exercise.
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What we've found in our research
is you don't have to knock
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yourselves out in order to
get the benefits of exercise.
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In fact many people get
better benefit from exercise
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if it is more moderate.
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They listen to their body.
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They don't overdue it.
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What time of day
should we exercise?
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Night? Daytime? Anytime?
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Anytime you exercise is going to
give you benefits of exercise.
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There are some caveats though.
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Many people if they do vigorous,
physical exercise late at night
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it will have a
stimulating effect.
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It will keep them awake.
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They won't be able
to wind down easily.
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So that's something
we want to be careful of.
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Other people can get away with
exercise right before bed, even
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fairly vigorous
and have no problem.
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Exercise early in the morning
is an excellent alternative to
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caffeine to get
you going in the day.
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Caffeine tends to
stimulate blood sugar release.
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It's a stress
hormone releasing compound.
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So we often educate people
with diabetes to try to stay
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away from the caffeine.
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Exercise can be an alternative.
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Ok, dietary fat.
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Dietary fat is actually the
single most important factor
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when it comes to
insulin resistance and diet.
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It is not sugar in the diet.
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Dietary fat has a very
potent role in influencing
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insulin resistance.
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There are two bad fats -
saturated fat and trans fats.
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Those are the two
bad fats that worsen
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how insulin works in the body.
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So what do you mean?
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I usually hear, "Well, you ate
a lot of sugar that's why you're
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having problems with diabetes. "
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You're saying, "No, it's fat. "
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Well, we're
looking at two things, Don.
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We're looking at the
background, the foundation
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for blood sugar problems.
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That's insulin resistance
in the Type II diabetic.
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So that person has to be very
careful with their fat intake.
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They can sit down and
they can eat a jar of lard.
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Their blood sugar will
not go up after that meal
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if that's all they ate
because they were eating
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no carbohydrates,
they were eating no sugar.
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So you say, "Now wait a
minute, what's going on here?"
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What's happening is
that saturated fat is,
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if you will,
"gumming up the works. "
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It's making
insulin resistance worse.
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So when they do eat sugar at
the next meal, the blood sugar
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is going to go higher.
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Because it can't get in because
the lard is stuck all over
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Yes... we're
being very simplistic!
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But this is the point.
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Saturated fat, the trans fats
those partially hydrogenated
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vegetable oils, they
worsen insulin resistance
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but it's deceptive!
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Because a person can eat
all that kind of stuff and their
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sugar doesn't go up.
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When they eat the sugar
their blood sugar goes up!
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So they make this false
connection that the sugar
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they're eating
is the worse factor.
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I'm not endorsing eating lots
of simple sugar, but they need
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to realize fat is
often the underlying problem.
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So these big three -
Exercise, Dietary Fat, and
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Weight Loss - those are
the big three in terms of
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natural approaches to diabetes?
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That's right.
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Exercise, eat better, and
of course loose that weight.
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We're talking
with Dr. David DeRose.
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He's a physician
from southern Oklahoma.
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His life is dedicated to
ministry, to helping people
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overcome America's killer
diseases but also within the
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context of faith and believe.
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He has a website
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A lot of the material he's
covering is available there
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When we come back we're going
to look at some more natural
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approaches in addressing this
terrible disease of diabetes.
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We hope you rejoin us.
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Welcome back.
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We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose.
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He's a physician from Oklahoma.
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We're talking about diabetes.
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It's not the end of the world
if you have Type II diabetes.
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We're learning that there
are some things you can do
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to improve it.
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You got to be
careful about saying
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we can stop it or reverse it.
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But some people
have used those terms.
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But there are some real
approaches and Doctor you've
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been sharing those with us.
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We've learned first of all
that exercise, weight loss,
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and dietary fat are the
big three when you're looking
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at diabetes and
you've described that to us.
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But are there other
natural approaches to diabetes?
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There are.
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There are a number of botanical
or plant based strategies
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that can be used.
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I'm glad that we spent
time talking about the big three
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first because I always
discourage people from putting
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their trust in pill bottles.
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That should not be the focus.
00:16:23.13\00:16:25.13
But what I like to encourage
them to do if they're going to
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use some of these botanical
agents, they look for ones
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that actually facilitate,
that help them make the
00:16:31.48\00:16:35.29
lifestyle changes.
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In other words, what you're
saying there is a bunch of
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things out there that's helping
the people that produce it
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but not the people that take it.
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Well, I wouldn't be that harsh.
00:16:41.90\00:16:45.02
Let me tell you, the
ethno botanist, you know the
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experts in plant medicine,
they tell us there's probably
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some 800 plants that we
know about that actually have
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blood sugar lowering effects.
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Many companies are
grabbing 5, 10 of these things
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and putting them into pills.
00:17:01.57\00:17:02.68
I've seen patients taking things
like this and it was lowering
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their blood sugar.
00:17:06.39\00:17:07.36
But if they're living their
normal lifestyle, they're eating
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the same bad foods, they're
continuing to gain weight
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each year,
they're not exercising,
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is it really helping?
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It's kind of like putting
wheat germ on top your coffee.
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There you go! - laughter-
00:17:19.38\00:17:20.47
Probably not the best approach.
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Is that what you're saying?
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This is where we're going.
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Some of these botanical
agents can actually help you.
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Let me give you an example.
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Soluble fiber - God has
loaded plant products with these
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helpful fibers.
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But you can take additional
soluble fibers, one of my
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favorites is guar gum, now
it's not my favorite because it
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tastes so delicious, Don.
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It's not like a
chewing gum is it?
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No.
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Guar gum is a
natural plant fiber.
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Gums are a type of fiber.
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I know it doesn't
sound particularly palatable.
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But many of the viewers
have probably tasted artificial
00:17:52.69\00:17:56.12
whipped cream - maybe Cool
Whip or something like that.
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Well, the thickening
agent in that is guar gum.
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So go out and get
your whipped cream.
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Preferably there are other ways
to take your guar gum that can
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avoid some of the problems
with some of these products
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that use guar gum.
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Ok, so, guar
gum, what does it do?
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Guar gum actually has
both blood sugar stabilizing
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properties as well as
cholesterol lowering properties.
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Not as good as guar
gum, but still on the list
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is Psyllium seed husks.
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Many people have seen
Metamucil in the store,
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they may have
used it as a laxative.
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But actually these fibers are
not true laxatives in the sense
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that many people think of them.
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They actually
are stool regulators.
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If you tend to be constipated
they'll make your stool looser.
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If you're having diarrhea
something like guar gum or
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Psyllium seed husks will
actually make the stool more
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solid because it
draws water to itself.
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But these compounds
lower cholesterol and they also
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stabilize blood sugar.
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Let me tell you another
bit of good news about it.
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Cholecystokinin - do you
think many of our viewers
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can relate to that?
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I don't think so using that
term, so explain what it means.
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Cholecystokinin is a
hormone messenger of the body.
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It has to do with
digestive processes.
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We learned about it first,
I'm saying we - personifying it
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to the scientific community,
realizing it had a role in
00:19:20.95\00:19:24.90
gallbladder
emptying with a fatty meal.
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We've learned since
those early days that CCK or
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Cholecystokinin also is a
powerful satiety messenger.
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That's what makes us feel full?
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That's right.
00:19:37.56\00:19:38.54
When there's more CCK in the
body it tells you that you're
00:19:38.58\00:19:41.88
full, you're satisfied,
you don't need to eat.
00:19:41.91\00:19:43.66
CCK - I don't need to eat today.
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Right, you got it, wonderful,
that's very good, Don!
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So CCK levels are
prolonged when you use more
00:19:48.91\00:19:53.79
of these soluble fibers.
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Are those
naturally occurring in foods?
00:19:54.88\00:19:56.73
Yes, they are, like guar gum,
Psyllium seed husks - laughter -
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Please pass the
guar gum - laughter -
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Oat bran is one,
pectin in apples and pears.
00:20:02.81\00:20:06.67
So these are other soluble
fibers but you can add extra.
00:20:06.70\00:20:10.22
Why I'm illustrating this
is this is a botanical thing.
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It helps to lower or stabilize
blood sugar after a meal.
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This is where it's useful
if you have the guar gum or
00:20:16.38\00:20:19.18
Psyllium seed husks in
conjunction with a meal.
00:20:19.22\00:20:21.52
It tends to
stabilize the blood sugar.
00:20:21.56\00:20:23.25
The blood sugar does not
rise as high after the meal.
00:20:23.29\00:20:25.82
But it also has this added
benefit of helping you feel
00:20:25.86\00:20:28.36
more full and not
giving you any calories.
00:20:28.40\00:20:30.89
So it's not only treating the
blood sugar, it's treating one
00:20:30.92\00:20:34.22
of the root causes which
in many people overeating
00:20:34.26\00:20:36.87
and excess weight.
00:20:36.90\00:20:38.16
Lots of people will move to a
plant based diet and they say,
00:20:38.20\00:20:41.51
"I just don't
feel full on that. "
00:20:41.54\00:20:42.65
This is the answer
or one of the answers.
00:20:42.69\00:20:45.25
This can help definitely.
00:20:45.28\00:20:46.41
Anything else?
00:20:46.45\00:20:47.42
Let me tell you about another
one that illustrates this
00:20:47.43\00:20:49.39
and that's gymnema sylvestra.
00:20:49.42\00:20:51.34
What is that again?
00:20:51.37\00:20:54.34
Gymnema sylvestre
00:20:54.38\00:20:57.32
If you can't say it you
can't buy it so what does it do?
00:20:57.35\00:21:00.03
G Y M just like the gymnasium.
00:21:00.07\00:21:02.16
If you remember that and you
walk into where ever you like
00:21:02.20\00:21:05.07
to find supplements and you say,
"Is there some kind of thing
00:21:05.11\00:21:07.95
for diabetes that
sounds like gymnasium?"
00:21:07.98\00:21:10.26
They'll say, "gymnema you mean?"
00:21:10.30\00:21:11.59
Yes, gymnema.
00:21:11.62\00:21:13.24
My role is not to push these
supplements but I'm trying to
00:21:13.28\00:21:17.71
help people make
more educated choices.
00:21:17.75\00:21:19.05
Look at the best
ones, maybe some things
00:21:19.08\00:21:20.47
that are really helpful.
00:21:20.51\00:21:21.49
Look at things that in addition
to having blood sugar lowering
00:21:21.52\00:21:24.31
properties may help
them with those root causes.
00:21:24.35\00:21:27.24
So what gymnema does, in
some of the research one of the
00:21:27.28\00:21:31.30
compounds in gymnema, one of
the natural occurring chemicals
00:21:31.33\00:21:35.32
that God has
placed in gymnema actually
00:21:35.36\00:21:37.83
suppresses sweet cravings.
00:21:37.87\00:21:40.89
Oh that's helpful!
00:21:40.92\00:21:41.92
Yes.
00:21:41.96\00:21:42.93
So you're taking this gymnema
to lower your blood sugar
00:21:42.94\00:21:44.48
but at the same time
your desire for those sweets
00:21:44.51\00:21:48.02
seems to decrease.
00:21:48.05\00:21:49.47
So you're not looking
for the chocolate in the
00:21:49.51\00:21:51.89
middle of the night.
00:21:51.92\00:21:53.05
Hopefully! - laughter -
00:21:53.09\00:21:54.19
Anything else then?
00:21:54.22\00:21:55.63
Well, we've given
you these two examples.
00:21:55.67\00:21:58.00
Let me tell you another one
that's on a little different
00:21:58.04\00:22:00.27
perspective.
00:22:00.30\00:22:01.70
That's niacinamide.
00:22:01.73\00:22:03.22
Niacin we call it for short?
00:22:03.26\00:22:04.89
Well, don't call
it niacin for short.
00:22:04.92\00:22:06.85
Because it is not the same.
00:22:06.89\00:22:08.79
I appreciate you making this
point because it's critically
00:22:08.83\00:22:11.16
important.
00:22:11.19\00:22:12.16
Niacin actually
worsens insulin resistance.
00:22:12.17\00:22:15.25
So you don't want to take that.
00:22:15.28\00:22:16.25
You don't want to take that
unless it's being prescribed
00:22:16.29\00:22:19.37
for high blood fats and then
the doctor is working with you
00:22:19.40\00:22:22.86
negotiating some trade off
between maybe some blood sugar
00:22:22.89\00:22:26.64
elevation but lowering of
triglycerides and cholesterol.
00:22:26.67\00:22:31.21
So this is called niacinamide
also known as nicotinamide.
00:22:31.25\00:22:35.75
That doesn't sound so healthy.
00:22:35.79\00:22:37.40
No it doesn't, sounds a
lot like nicotine doesn't it?
00:22:37.43\00:22:39.87
But it's not the same.
00:22:39.91\00:22:41.19
Niacinamide and nicotinamide
it's a B vitamin related
00:22:41.22\00:22:44.83
compound that actually does
a number of interesting things.
00:22:44.87\00:22:48.55
We use it, at least in
the research it's been used,
00:22:48.59\00:22:51.20
and I've used it in my patients
because there's evidence
00:22:51.24\00:22:54.75
that if you have Type I
diabetes if it's picked up early
00:22:54.78\00:22:58.22
using niacinamide may actually
help spare Islets cell function.
00:22:58.26\00:23:04.22
It may prevent the
autoimmune eating of yourself.
00:23:04.25\00:23:09.42
It will at least slow
down the rapidity of which the
00:23:09.45\00:23:11.99
process is occurring.
00:23:12.03\00:23:13.10
So niacinamide could help
someone with Type I diabetes.
00:23:13.13\00:23:16.50
It also seems, at least in
some of the preliminary research
00:23:16.53\00:23:19.99
literature to have a beneficial
effect in Type II diabetes.
00:23:20.03\00:23:23.10
So this would be another way
of looking at something that's
00:23:23.14\00:23:26.18
actually addressing
the insulin resistance.
00:23:26.21\00:23:28.17
It's an isolated
compound where we would expect a
00:23:28.21\00:23:32.00
better quality control
than using a botanical whole
00:23:32.03\00:23:35.18
supplement, although
there's some compelling reasons
00:23:35.22\00:23:37.56
why we may want to use
some of those things like
00:23:37.60\00:23:39.91
gymnema like we illustrated.
00:23:39.94\00:23:41.54
Explain again why
we should take this.
00:23:41.58\00:23:47.97
Well, what I like to do
is I like to look at these
00:23:48.00\00:23:50.30
botanical things as adjuncts
- things that are assisting
00:23:50.34\00:23:53.33
the body in the
process of dealing with this
00:23:53.37\00:23:56.51
insulin resistance problem.
00:23:56.54\00:23:58.17
Trying to maximize
insulin production at the
00:23:58.21\00:24:01.44
pancreas level, which is
the other part of the problem,
00:24:01.48\00:24:03.82
and also lower
that insulin resistance.
00:24:03.85\00:24:06.28
We're looking at things
that can help us as far as
00:24:06.31\00:24:09.40
trimming down, exercising,
keeping our motivation, and I'm
00:24:09.44\00:24:13.99
just giving you
some of these examples.
00:24:14.03\00:24:15.35
The niacinamide may be a little
bit more on the other extreme
00:24:15.39\00:24:18.47
but it has particular relevance
in the Type I population and I
00:24:18.51\00:24:21.56
think that's why
it's worth noting.
00:24:21.59\00:24:22.90
So niacinamide, gymnema,
and guar - anything else?
00:24:22.94\00:24:29.14
We've got a lot of
"G's" in there don't we?!
00:24:29.18\00:24:31.16
Why don't we add another "G."
00:24:31.20\00:24:34.24
Ginseng.
00:24:34.28\00:24:36.11
Ginseng is one of those things
that's supposed to be good
00:24:36.15\00:24:40.60
for everything.
00:24:40.63\00:24:41.83
Do you know where that
comes from, by the way?
00:24:41.87\00:24:43.75
Have you ever
seen a Ginseng root?
00:24:43.79\00:24:45.66
I have.
00:24:45.70\00:24:46.96
They kind of look like a human.
00:24:47.00\00:24:48.13
It has all these
arms and legs and head.
00:24:48.16\00:24:51.37
People used to
believe in what they called
00:24:51.41\00:24:54.58
the doctrine of signatures.
00:24:54.61\00:24:55.98
And that meant if you looked
at a plant or plant compound
00:24:56.01\00:24:58.80
if it looked like your liver
then it was good for your liver.
00:24:58.83\00:25:01.33
What do you think they thought
when they saw something that
00:25:01.37\00:25:03.84
looked like a
whole person's body?
00:25:03.87\00:25:05.64
Very good for everything.
00:25:05.68\00:25:07.95
But there actually is
some research showing that
00:25:07.98\00:25:10.49
Ginseng may help
with blood sugar control.
00:25:10.52\00:25:13.93
There are a number of
different types of Ginseng
00:25:13.96\00:25:17.10
that have been studied.
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Many of them seem to have
these beneficial properties.
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On your website, hopefully
you're going to have a page
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up there that goes
through some of these
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more helpful things.
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Look a lot of people will
go to a food store and they ask
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the person behind the counter.
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And the person
behind the counter just says
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this, that, and the other.
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But I think people are looking
at alternative things but they
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really want some direction.
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So if you go to the
website compasshealth. net
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we'll have that material there
and you can just access it.
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Ok, anything else besides
the Ginseng, guar, niacinamide,
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and gymnema?
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I want to make sure that
we don't loose the forest
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for the trees, right?
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In other words the big three.
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Don't forget those.
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Weight Loss,
Dietary Fat, Exercise.
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That's right.
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Try to look at some of
these natural things as how they
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help to facilitate
those other processes.
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The way some of them do is
they decrease your reliance
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on other drugs whether it's
insulin or some of the older,
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conventional agents
that tend to put on weight.
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You're a Christian clinician.
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Is there any spiritual thought
that you would like to share
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with people that are
struggling with diabetes?
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One of the most encouraging
things that come to me through
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the Scriptures is
Jesus' continued invitations
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to come to Him.
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He offers us rest.
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He offers us peace.
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I don't want to make
people feel more burdened down
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with another list of things
to do but I like to give the
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message that Christ is the
great Physician and He wants
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to assist all our viewers
in whatever health problems
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and health needs they have.
00:26:53.47\00:26:54.70
Thank you so much for joining
us to talk about diabetes
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Thank you also for dedicating
your life to a combination of
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medicine and ministry.
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I think that was Christ's
method and that's very helpful.
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Thank you for the
ministry of compasshealth. net
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And thank you for
watching us today.
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Any closing thought you'd
like to share as we close this
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program up about diabetes?
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What should the
person watching do right now?
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Well, one of the things
I'd like to encourage you to do
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is just really make a
point of focusing on the
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root causes of diabetes.
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Work with a competent
professional who can navigate
00:27:28.22\00:27:30.77
you along that course.
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Realize there's a host
of natural options out there
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and God wants to bless
you as you cooperate with Him.
00:27:34.94\00:27:38.09
We've been
listening to Dr. David DeRose.
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Don't forget the big three.
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Exercise, Weight
Loss, and Dietary Fat
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But there is
other things out there.
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That's the good news
we've learned on this program.
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Visit compasshealth. net
00:27:48.69\00:27:50.15
Thanks for watching
Health for a Lifetime
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and we hope as a result
of today's program you do
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have health that
lasts for a lifetime.
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