Hello, and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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We're glad that
you've joined us today.
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Today we're going
to talk about research.
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Now, don't go to sleep, research
is exciting, it's important,
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it's something that helps us
understand what we should and
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shouldn't do.
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And today to talk with us about
research is Dr. John Kelly.
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He's a medical doctor.
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He graduated just recently in
the year 2000 and his focus is
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on research.
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He has a MPH in epidemiology
and he is involved in ongoing
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research even as we speak.
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Thanks for joining us Dr. Kelly.
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Glad to be here with you, Don.
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You have an interesting
story that you went into medical
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school a little bit
older than most people.
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That's true.
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I started medical school
at Loma Linda when I was 48.
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Forty-eight!
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I wouldn't recommend it but its
been quite an interesting life.
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Usually people that get involved
in research start much younger
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but somehow you were able
to get right into research.
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Yes, that's true.
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I have a background in
information systems and
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computing and that
probably helped a lot.
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Plus I'm one of the rare
people that like mathematics and
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statistics and so forth.
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Ok, good, we're glad
that you're with us today.
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You're going to talk about
the lifestyle research that's
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been done focusing on Adventists
and then how it relates to
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the overall vision
of the Adventist Church.
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Yes, yes.
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You know in the
National Geographic,
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the November 2005
National Geographic,
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was on longevity.
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You know they looked at three
different groups that have a
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large number of centenarians,
people that are 100 years old
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or older.
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They looked at folks
from Sardinia in Italy,
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from Okinawa in Japan, and
interestingly enough a group
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right here in the United States
in Loma Linda, California -
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Seventh-day Adventists.
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I think we have a
graphic showing this cover:
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I want to share why there
is such a connection there.
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So there is a definite
connection between that.
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I mean to show up on the front
of a national magazine like
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National Geographic and to be
viewed positively, the article,
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was I assume, positive?
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Yes, actually these three groups
shared one thing in common.
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And that is they tended to live
about 10 years longer than the
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average person, the
average person in the public.
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Was there anything that set the
Adventists apart from the other
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two groups?
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Yes, actually it's interesting
that they tried to outline
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what each group's reason
for why they have this extra
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longevity.
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There were a
number of similarities.
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For example plant
based diet was common.
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But one thing that
they mentioned about the
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Seventh-day Adventist group that
they studied was that they were
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one of the three that were
not loosing their advantage.
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They were not loosing their
advantage in living longer,
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healthier lives.
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The Sardinians, for example,
they pointed out, the youngsters
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today are adopting Western
diet and lifestyle and that
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group is loosing some of
the longevity they enjoy.
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Now, was it because of
the fact that we had done the
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Adventist Health Study
number one that they could say
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we weren't loosing our edge?
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How did they come up with that?
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Was it a result of research?
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Yes, well the fact that
Seventh-day Adventists are not
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loosing is based on current
measures and observations.
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I don't know that we can't
say that Seventh-day Adventists
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aren't loosing some, but they're
not loosing like these other two
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groups - Okinawa and Sardinians.
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So the careful research done
in the Adventist Health Study -
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talk to me a little bit
about that, both number one and
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number two.
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Actually lifestyle research
began about 40 years ago
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at Loma Linda University
on Seventh-day Adventists.
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Doctors Phillips and Lemon were
some of the early researchers
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and now today, Dr.
Gary Frazier is head of the
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Adventist Health Study 2;
Dr. Sabatae with some of the
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nut studies.
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The thing that's important
about this is that the early
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studies showed such
significant difference between
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Seventh-day Adventists
and other groups that the
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National Institute of
Health are funding the
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Adventist Health Study 2
at about 12 million dollars of
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public money to do this.
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This will be the largest study
of its type on a group of people
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whose diet is largely
plant based and have a number of
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health
principles that they follow.
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So they want to do this because
the group that they're studying
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is living so much longer
than other, has so many positive
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effects, they said, "We want
to put money to that maybe learn
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something there that
could help other Americans. "
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Absolutely.
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In fact Seventh-day Adventists
have been called a national
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treasure by some of the
researchers that are doing,
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looking at the relationship
between lifestyle and disease.
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Well, many times I grew up
a Seventh-day Adventist, I'm a
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fourth generation
Seventh-day Adventist pastor.
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In my family
there were two groups.
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There were those that listened
before there was ever research
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there was revelation, I guess
you'd say, and then there were
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those that listened to that and
there were those that did not
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listen to that and it's been
interesting to see the diseases
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that have come upon the one side
of the family that said, "Hey,
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we're not going to
listen to that" vs. the other.
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But now Adventists are kind of
more energized again themselves
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and the world seems to be
more interested because of
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this research.
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Yes, well, you know what's
really interesting to me is that
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when we started this research
40 years ago a plant based or
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vegetarian diet was
actually considered deficient.
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Some of the early research
was looking at showing that
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vegetarian diet
was not deficient.
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Now we moved to where
we're actually have found
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it's superior.
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We are now looking at the ways
in which eating a plant based
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diet is a superior practice.
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But when we started
this was far from the case.
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Did you know that a number of
things have been actually first
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found in Seventh-day Adventists?
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For example: the beneficial
effect of nuts was first found
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in the Adventist Health Study.
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It's been confirmed now in every
major study that has looked
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at this, but it was
first discovered in the
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Adventist Health Study.
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You know when I was working as
a nurse, and I was of course an
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Adventist and I practiced a
vegetarian lifestyle, they'd
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always call me a nut.
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So now they have scientific
research to back that up!
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Now many times the people
that talk about the information
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that the Adventist church
has been given that led to these
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benefits, they talk about this
as being the "entering wedge. "
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They talk about how because
Adventists are healthy that
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allows them to enter into other
discussions of more substantial
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nature and I think
you've noticed that as well.
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Yes, absolutely.
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It's referred to
as the "right arm"
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of our evangelistic work.
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I've run into folk who say,
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"Well, why should
we be doing research?"
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Shouldn't we be spending this
time and money... I mean you're
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a physician, why
aren't you seeing patients?"
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But do you know some of church
leaders, like Mark Finley is one
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our leaders in evangelism,
they see the value of this kind
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of scientific support for
the principles in the Bible?
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In fact I have a quote here
from Mark Finley, a letter that
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he wrote to me:
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You know, I believe this and I
was so glad that he was willing
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to write a letter for me.
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I believe that this is part of
strengthening that "right arm"
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making it more capable of
reaching further into society
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into scientific
circles in particular.
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You know I think it was
Sir Isaac Newton who said,
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"We think God's
thoughts after Him. "
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I think the reason he went
into scientific research, as I
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understand it, was because he
wanted to understand the books
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of Daniel and Revelation.
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He was into math and science
like you are, he did all kinds
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of research that not only
benefited our world in science
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but also now increases our faith
in revelation in the Bible.
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Yes, absolutely.
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It's clear now with articles
like the National Geographic,
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it's clear that there
are advantages to sharing our
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gospel with the world from the
results of lifestyle research.
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I want to mention, the Adventist
Health Study II, this is the
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second one, we have sent
out information to about 135,000
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or so folks to participate but
we're still not getting them all
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back and we need another 30,000
folk to join us to make this a
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successful study.
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So I just want to put a plug...
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I'd to
encourage folk to help us.
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Right, and when this airs
there may have been more that
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responded or less, but whenever
this airs, it would be great to
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call... what would they
call Loma Linda University
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and ask for the
Research Department
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and say, "If there
is any ongoing research
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let me be a part of it?
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Yes, and they would know exactly
what to do with the call.
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Is this if they are
having good health habits or
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bad health habits -
whatever they are doing?
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Exactly, we need
everyone to participate.
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Even if you're out there
and you're not really doing what
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you should, you're going to
be helpful because, you're going
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to be able to
prove certain points.
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Those that do certain things vs.
those that don't and that's very
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useful data.
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Sure and we don't know all
the habits which will turn out
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to be something useful
or something less useful.
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You know the CDC, The
Center for Disease Control,
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have identified lifestyle
factors as some of the leading
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cause of death.
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And when you think of death,
we generally think, a person
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who dies of heart disease
or dies of cancer or whatever,
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but those are what we call
proximal causes - that's what
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actually killed you.
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But what is the ultimate cause?
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What is causing
that heart disease?
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We now know, and the CDC
has recognized and published
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information showing us,
that the ultimate causes are
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first - tobacco.
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This is report on, citing from
the year of 2000, tobacco is the
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leading cause, and then
inactivity and poor diet
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is second.
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So these are the two
major causes, ultimate causes
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in death, are lifestyle choices.
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They are just
things that we choose.
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That's correct.
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And we've even looked at
the leading proximal cause is
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heart disease and
the second is cancer.
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Well, both of those, it turns
out, perhaps as much as 90%,
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the figures vary from 70 to 90
some percent, of heart disease
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and cancer is either
preventable or reversible
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when lifestyle changes.
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And a lot of this information
is come out of studies like the
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Adventist Health
Study and other studies.
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This is fascinating stuff.
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We're talking
with Dr. John Kelly.
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We're talking about
the Adventist Health Study
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We're talking about really
the value of research and how it
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drives our confidence in
what God's Word reveals, I mean,
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Genesis 1:29 clearly
says fruits, nuts, grains, and
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vegetables.
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And we're looking more closely
at the science behind that.
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When we come back,
we'll continue looking at this
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fascinating subject.
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Welcome back.
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We're talking
with Dr. John Kelly.
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He's a medical
doctor and a researcher from
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Loma Linda University.
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And he has a special interest in
lifestyle research; looking at
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things we can do in the style
of life that we lead to stop,
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reverse, and better yet, prevent
the common killer diseases in
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Western nations
and around the world.
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Thanks for joining us Dr. Kelly.
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I'm glad I can be with you.
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You know you were talking about
how the Adventist lifestyle has
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been profiled on the
front of National Geographic.
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You were talking about
how research really laid the
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foundation for that article,
the importance of research.
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You were encouraging the
Adventists that are watching
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to say, "Hey, look, get
involved, if there's ongoing
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research, call in. "
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Call in today even, if
you're watching the program.
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Then you were talking
about these proximal vs. actual,
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I don't know if that's the
right term, or ultimate causes
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of death and disease.
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The top three I think
you mentioned was tobacco,
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inactivity, and diet.
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Yes, those are definitely been
published as, in the scientific
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literature, as the main,
ultimate causes, the primary
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ultimate cause of death.
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That means, for example, a
person dies of heart disease
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because there was a blockage
in the coronary artery where
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there was a build up of plaque
and it lead to death of heart
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tissue.
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But what caused that build
up, what caused that blockage?
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That wasn't heart disease, that
was hyperlipidemia, that was
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diet, that was poor diet, high
cholesterol, lack of exercise.
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It was like a complete adding up
of all the many choices that are
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made three and sometimes many
more times a day in what we eat
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or don't eat.
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Yes, yes.
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The U.S. government is spending
12 million dollars to study this
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but you have another burden
and that burden has to do with
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already ongoing
lifestyle initiatives.
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Tell us about that.
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Yes, thank you.
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You know the natural progression
of research is first we do
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observational research -
we observe what's going on.
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Then from the conclusions
on hypotheses from that
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we do what we call
intervention or experiments.
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We try to experiment
to test our hypotheses.
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And that's really
what my passion is.
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We have studies that we
are beginning where we're using
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not just
observation but intervention.
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It actually there's a natural
experiment that's been going on
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for some time because Adventist
lifestyle centers have been
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operating since back in the
1870's, in fact I think we have
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a little slide showing
a list of some of these:
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So here you see we have a rich
history of centers using these
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principles to treat patients.
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But do you know that we've
not done any rigorous research
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looking at their outcomes?
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There's not been a multi
center study done previously.
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So we established a,
that was my vision and dream,
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and so Loma Linda University
School of Public Health
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we've established the
Lifestyle Research Initiative.
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The goal is to study these
intervention centers and to gain
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some external funding
just like we did with the
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Adventist Health Study.
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Ok, so you want to look at
these existing institutions.
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They've been there sometimes
for many years and they're
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helping all kinds of people,
but you're hoping that with this
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research you can document
what you already know is true
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and that is that their
interventions are some of the
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best in the nation, some
of the best in the world.
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Yes, we believe, based from case
histories and antidotal stories
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over more than a century,
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we believe that
they can be effective.
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What we don't have, we
don't have rigorous, scientific
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studies that have
been done on this.
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I wanted to mention that the
Lifestyle Research Initiative,
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some folks may have seen it,
it was in the Adventist Review
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in August of 2004.
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Here we have a slide
showing the cover picture.
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This is a cutting
edge edition of the Review.
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And then there was an article:
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And there was Dr. Sabatae
and myself and some of our
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co-workers in
some of the pictures.
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Yes, this is something that we
have a lot of church support for
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and the School of Public Health
and Mark Finley in his letter.
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We have a slide, he says:
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So not just documenting what's
in the past but treating it.
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And you want to document that.
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That is correct.
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I consider it a calling,
an honor and a privilege to be
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working in this area.
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As I say, the principles have
been used for over a century
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but we haven't actually done
the study, the rigorous kind of
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research that we're doing now.
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So you're actually... it's
not going to be a surprise.
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You know how the research
going to turn out because
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early Adventists were led not
by science but by revelation.
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Yes, this is going to
be very, very interesting.
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Well, one of the things that
was a challenge for the church
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leadership when I studied into
this back when we first started
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doing lifestyle research
at Loma Linda, there was some
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concern about whither this was
going to be a good thing to do
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or not because our health
message was based on revelation
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much more so than science.
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Well, now time has shown that
in fact the science is there
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just as solid as the revelation.
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So here again, this
time we're not nearly
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so skittish, concerned.
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We know what
we're going to find.
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Anytime as a scientist we say,
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"We know what
we're going to find"
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you're heading for trouble.
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You have to be objective
and look for what is actually
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happening not only
what you hope is happening.
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Right, and has
there ever been a surprise
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when people have done that?
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Oh sure, sure, that has been.
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In fact one of the ones
that comes to my mind is
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We were both recently at a
meeting where a world class
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scientist was telling how he
started off to do research on
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the benefits of protein to
increase the world's food supply
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only to find out, for goodness
sake, plant protein is superior
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to the animal
protein that he was promoting
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or studying initially.
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He found some very
different conclusions.
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We're talking about
Dr. Collin Campbell.
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But even in our own work, for
example, we now know that there
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are Seventh-day Adventists
have a higher incidence of
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prostate cancer
than some other groups.
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Because?
00:22:51.88\00:22:53.02
Well, that is yet to be
uncontroversially settled,
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determined and settled.
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But it is a good
hypotheses is because, you know
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Seventh-day Adventist tend
to be lacto-ovo vegetarian.
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They tend to eat a lot of
dairy products and dairy is
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clearly associated with
prostate cancer, at least I
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believe it's beyond
a shadow of a doubt.
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There's still some controversy
but it's becoming clear
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that's a factor.
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So with this Adventist
observational research you
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actually have some kind of
grant where you're able to look
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at these lifestyle centers like
Uchee Pines, Weimar, all these
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different ones you
mentioned that are in existence?
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Well, actually we don't have
a grant yet for the multi-center
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study we would like to do.
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What we do have is... well I
think I have a list here showing
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the studies that
we have underway:
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This shows that... here's
six studies that we have in some
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point of progress.
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We have the 12
million dollars going for
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Adventist Health
Study 2, I mentioned.
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We're very happy for that.
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But do you know in the
beginning we didn't... the
00:25:02.96\00:25:05.41
National Institute of Health
did say, "Hey we have 12 million
00:25:05.44\00:25:07.77
dollars, would you like it?"
00:25:07.80\00:25:08.97
We had to do a lot of
preliminary work funded by
00:25:09.01\00:25:13.08
private funds to show
that there is something here
00:25:13.12\00:25:17.15
worth studying.
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Well, we're at
that same process now.
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We've got to do these
preliminary studies on our own
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with private funding to show the
value and then I believe we'll
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be able to get
some external funds.
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So when people are out there
and they're watching and say,
00:25:29.13\00:25:32.08
"Hey, I'd really like
to see that go forward. "
00:25:32.12\00:25:33.99
You would certainly welcome
a phone call from them saying,
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"I'd like to be
involved in helping fund that. "
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Oh, absolutely and there are
people, and we know there are
00:25:39.24\00:25:42.13
people who have told me, "I
would like to help fund a study
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at such and such center
or of a certain disease.
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We are wanting to help
move forward this rigorous study
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of using Adventist lifestyle
principles to treat disease
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at these lifestyle centers.
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Well, I could definitely see
how that's going to strengthen
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the hand of area churches
as they help people with their
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physical needs and then as
people are helped physically
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you know they look for two
things, scientific excellence
00:26:14.75\00:26:17.72
and a sacrificial spirit.
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If that comes across certainly
then this is a part of the
00:26:19.83\00:26:24.03
"entering wedge. "
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This is a part of helping
people not just have life but
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eternal life.
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Yes, and you know we have a
responsibility, I believe, as
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Christian physicians and health
professionals to help improve
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and reform the practice
of medicine of public health
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in the world.
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And so this research
very definitely ties together
00:26:44.31\00:26:48.59
the insights that we have
been... I know for myself,
00:26:48.62\00:26:52.44
for example I became a
vegetarian not from science but
00:26:52.48\00:26:56.09
from becoming a Christian
and reading Genesis 1:29.
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I said well I want
to follow the design,
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I want to follow the plan.
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We can now, using science,
show the superiority of this
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inspired counsel.
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Are they looking at
diabetes in the Marshal Islands?
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Yes, diabetes is actually two
to three times more prevalent
00:27:11.88\00:27:15.79
in the Marshal Islands than
it is even in the United States.
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And so it is a very
serious problem there.
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Thank you so much Dr. Kelly
for joining us from your busy
00:27:22.94\00:27:26.94
research schedule and spending
time with us making a larger
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group of people know
about what's happening.
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Thank you.
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It's really a
privilege to be with you, Don,
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and talk about this topic.
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And thank you
for joining us today
00:27:36.78\00:27:38.34
You've heard the good news
that really God's plan has been
00:27:38.38\00:27:42.58
scientifically documented.
00:27:42.62\00:27:44.02
It maybe comes as no surprise.
00:27:44.05\00:27:45.42
But you've also
heard how you can help.
00:27:46.00\00:27:48.08
If you want to be involved
in the research call Loma Linda.
00:27:48.11\00:27:52.05
Say, "What's going
on?" "Can I be involved?"
00:27:52.09\00:27:54.21
And we hope that you and
those you influence will have
00:27:54.24\00:27:56.61
health for a lifetime.
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