Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh
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and we're glad
you've joined us today.
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We're going to be
talking about something that is
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affecting millions of Americans
and many people around the world
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and that is type 2 diabetes.
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Joining us to talk about this
subject is Dr. George Guthrie
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He is a physician at the
"Lifestyle Center of America"
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in Oklahoma, that deals
with these types of things;
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with lifestyle diseases.
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He also is one of the founding
physicians in a program called,
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"Wellspring" that
deals with the same thing.
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He has practiced
medicine for about 14 years
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in a family practice setting.
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He has also
taught in the university,
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at the university
level, subjects like nutrition
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as it relates to
health, and were glad you're
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with us Dr.
Guthrie! Glad to be here, Don
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I'm excited about the
different things we're hearing
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about the hope and
help that can come to the
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millions of Americans
that have diabetes type 2.
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That's right! It's encouraging!
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And I guess you do
this day-in-day-out,
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you really help
people all the time.
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Yes, it's exciting to see people
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actually changing
their disease process.
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Now we talked a little bit
about diabetes on other programs
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here on "Health for a Lifetime,"
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one type of diabetes is type 1
which is an autoimmune situation
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that really you
can't do anything about
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except to treat with medication
or there are some new approaches
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that they are
still implementing with
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transplant of cells and whatnot.
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But this is type 2 diabetes...
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What is type 2
diabetes, what causes it,
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what can we do about it?
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In order to
understand type 2 diabetes,
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we need to understand how the
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Creator designed
us in the first place.
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So let's review a
little bit and then kind of
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explain how it comes.
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We take food in our mouth,
it goes down into our stomach,
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that little sac which kind of
mixes up the digestive enzymes
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and gets things started.
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It then goes into
the small intestine,
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and is absorbed
into the bloodstream.
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The bloodstream takes the food,
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the energy that's
coming into the body
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in a variety of
different places.
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one of the places it
goes is the pancreas,
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and there in the
pancreas are cells;
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they are called "beta cells"
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Their job is to make a
hormone which I like to call the
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"Paul Revere hormone"
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Remember what Paul Revere said?
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Ahh... "The
British are coming" Right!
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Well insulin says,
"The energy is coming"
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to let the body know.
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That messenger goes out
throughout the whole body
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and the cells of the body then
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HEAR THAT... "The
energy is coming" and open up
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to RECEIVE the
energy that is coming.
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So that's the way the
system works normally.
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And then what happens
when you've got a problem?
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Paul Revere falls off
his horse? What happens?
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No, no - it's not Paul Revere
falling off his horse this time.
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In essence, it has to do
with the listening ability.
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You see, each cell in our
body responds to that insulin
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according to its own need.
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You can imagine if I
were running a race...
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the thigh muscles, because I'm
running, need a lot of energy,
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and when the energy comes in,
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the Paul Revere hormone
says, "The energy is coming"
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the cells of the
thigh muscles say,
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"I want it, give it to me"
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On the other
hand, your eye blinkers,
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the ones that are kind
of cleaning the windshield,
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don't need all
that much energy...
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So if I'm running that race
and all that energy comes in,
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the Paul Revere hormone
says "The energy is coming"
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the eye blinkers say, "Hey,
I'll take a little bit of it"
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So there's an individual
variation really among
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ALL the cells of the body.
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A relative insulin sensitivity
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versus a relative
insulin resistance.
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Now, you asked about
type 2 diabetes... Right
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Here's what happens...
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If there's too much
energy in ALL the time,
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coming, coming, coming,
and no energy out - no EXERCISE
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the cells get FULL - they
don't need it individually,
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like the eye blinkers which say,
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"Maybe I'll take
a little bit of it,"
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the rest of the cells
begin to say the same thing.
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When the thigh muscles or
most of the cells in the body
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are saying, "No thank you,"
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then we begin to see
the changes that lead to
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type 2 diabetes.
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Okay, so this then - they
resist because there's SO much
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insulin out there
they just don't need it.
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Exactly! And then what happens?
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What happens... the body
knows that TOO much sugar,
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too much energy in the
bloodstream will tend to cause
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problems!
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Now, I think we've
mentioned these before...
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There can be problems...
The graphic that we looked at,
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I think we have one
that we can look at.
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Small blood vessel diseases are
CAUSED BY blood sugars that are
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UP too much - too LONG...
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And so the body tries to
keep that from happening.
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If there is a, for example,
the blood vessels in the eyes
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are kind of plugged up
by too much blood sugar,
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it leads to blindness,
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same thing can
happen in the kidneys,
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or in the nerves to
lead to neuropathy...
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The body KNOWING that says,
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"We've got to get this
energy OUT of the bloodstream,"
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and so it starts to yell LOUDER.
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Okay, so the real problems
then and we talked about those,
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with the sugar going up is
that it really causes damage
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in these small
vessels and they say,
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"Hey, get it OUT
of the bloodstream
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because we don't want
the person going blind,
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and we don't
want that happening. "
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So where does it go?
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So what happens is the
pancreas just yells LOUDER.
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The Paul Revere
hormone keeps coming out...
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"THE ENERGY IS
COMING... THE ENERGY IS COMING"
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And that higher and higher...
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Well the
increasing levels of insulin
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kind of force
the cells to take it.
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But they are
developing something called an
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insulin resistance...
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And when MOST of the
cells in the body have
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this thing called
"insulin resistance,"
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then we say that the whole
body has insulin resistance.
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I think we have a graphic
that shows a little bit of
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the physiology... we
want to look at that.
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I assume is the stomach
and it's going down in there
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and getting churned up
and then supposedly going
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down into the intestine...
What's happening here?
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Well it's absorbed
into the blood vessels.
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Some of the blood
vessels go to the pancreas
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which then respond.
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Isn't that that little finger-
like thing off the stomach?
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Yeah, it kind of
sticks behind the stomach.
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You can see part of it
over there to the left,
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and then the little
finger that sticks out.
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And then the insulin goes
out and really sends the message
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to ALL the cells in the body.
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Okay and then
when that's messed up,
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just like you described,
we get insulin resistance.
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The cells don't want it.
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They're saying, "Absolutely not"
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We see the
insulin levels going UP.
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As the insulin levels go up,
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it begins to cause
problems in the body.
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What are the problems it causes,
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and what should
we do to treat them?
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Okay, the first one I'd like to
put up on the list is actually
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OBESITY
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And that's because
insulin is a growth hormone.
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When your insulin levels go up,
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it tends to make
you store energy.
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So not only do you
tend to store fat energy,
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but you also tend to build up,
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increase proteins
in the body as well.
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One of the common things
that happens to me in the office
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is that a young
man will come in...
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I say "young" now, so
let's say 45 years of age...
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That's young!
Very young! Thank you!
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He says, "You know
doc, I'm having a hard time
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getting the weight off. "
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"I've put on 30-40 pounds;
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when I was young, I was a jock;
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football, track,
field - whatever it may be"
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"I'd gain a little
weight, I'd just exercise
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and it would come off. "
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"I graduated from
college and got a desk job,
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and I still try
to do the exercise,
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but you know, my weight
would go up a little bit,
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I'd exercise and it
would go back down. "
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"Well, recently it's not working
.. my weight is still going up"
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So this clicks in your mind...
Well, he's not processing
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the insulin and all
that stuff correctly.
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He is developing
insulin resistance;
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his insulin levels are going up,
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and that's making it
hard for him to lose weight.
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So if someone that
has that happening today
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that's listening, they may
need to check out whether or not
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they have... If
it's hard to lose weight,
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it's LIKELY that your insulin
levels are starting to go up.
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If the insulin
levels are going up,
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you're on the road to
developing that diabetes.
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Is this something that
you should go immediately
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see a physician
about or is it something
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that could wait
a couple of years?
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Let's wait until we talk
about the treatment! Okay?
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What's another
thing that happens then?
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High insulin levels are
also strongly associated with
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elevated blood pressure!
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I've seen reports
in the literature;
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taking people of
hypertension, 90% of them,
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have elevated insulin levels.
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Now insulin... we're not
100% sure of the cause and
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relationship here,
but we know that insulin
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tends to make the
kidneys hang on to sodium...
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And sodium pulls water
in and if there's more water
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in the pipes, the
pressure tends to go up!
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Also...
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So high blood pressure
is related to diabetes...
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I mean, I haven't
heard this too often,
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and you're saying that
happens as a result of...
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The elevated insulin
levels! Okay, all right.
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You see, the body is
getting insulin resistance...
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The insulin resistance,
the body is overcoming that by
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increasing the insulin. Okay
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As the insulin goes
up, it tends to hold on
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to the sodium AND the
insulin resistance itself
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makes the blood vessels
so they're less stretchy.
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That is, they tend
to be a little narrower.
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Smaller pipes and
more water in the pipes
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tend to make the pressure go up.
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Something ELSE
elevated insulin levels do...
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is to actually
RAISE cholesterol.
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High insulin levels
make the cholesterol go up
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That includes the BAD
cholesterol... the LDLs
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At the SAME time, it tends to
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make the GOOD
cholesterol, the HDLs, go DOWN.
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How does that work?
Why does that happen?
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You know, I'm not sure
of the mechanism on that,
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but it's pretty direct, it
connects... So they always this
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when the insulin goes
up, cholesterol goes up,
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HDL goes down.
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That's right... the insulin,
as it raises, has this effect,
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and put those effects
together, and you have a set up
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for something called
"heart attacks," right?
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So we're kind of building
a case here on the way to
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type 2 diabetes...
actually a series of diseases
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that are coming secondary
to the insulin levels going up.
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We have increase in weight.
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We have increase
in blood pressure.
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We have the
increase in cholesterol,
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and heart attack risk.
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So 3 or 4 of them...
Someone I was talking to once
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called these 4,
"The deadly quartet"
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That's one of the for it, yes.
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Sometimes it's called,
"The insulin resistant syndrome"
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Because its insulin resistance
is actually causing these things
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So if anybody has a duet
or a solo or a trio happening,
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it's TIME TO GET
TO THE DOCTOR! RIGHT?
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Well, it's time to do
something about it FOR SURE!
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Are we ready to talk
about what we can do about it?
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Okay, we can do that,
it's really NOT that difficult.
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If you understand that
the CAUSE of the disease
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is actually from
too much energy in,
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and NOT enough
energy OUT... exercise,
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then the best way
to deal with it is to
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turn that process around.
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So EXERCISE is
one thing we can do.
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Exercise and decrease the
number of calories coming in.
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What kind of
exercise is the best?
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Anything that uses the muscles!
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Well that pretty
much opens it up!
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Well what kinds of things do
they do at the Lifestyle Center?
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What kind of
things do they recommend
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in the Wellspring Program?
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Well, there are a lot of
different kinds of exercise
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and they can be talked about
in a lot of different ways.
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You need to MOVE for #1
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The antithesis of
health is the couch potato...
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who is sitting
there doing nothing!
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You know, you get
credit for the exercise you do
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when you just get up and
walk, right - a little bit.
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Parking at the far
end of the parking lot
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so you can walk forward.
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But, you know, you ask
about specific forms of exercise
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that might be beneficial
and again I want to emphasize
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ANY exercise is
better than none.
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At the Lifestyle
Center of America,
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we believe that something
called "intermittent training"
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...usually used in
high Olympic-class athletes
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modified for people
with these diseases...
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diabetes, hypertension,
obesity, heart disease
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is actually a
better way of exercising.
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So intermittent - does
that mean you stop and start?
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Yes, our little rule is -
every minute that you exercise
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needs some rest
within that minute.
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So, for example, in
my exercise program,
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now that I've
learned how to do it,
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I'll exercise hard
for about 45 seconds,
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and then rest for 30 seconds,
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and then 45 seconds really hard,
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and then rest or slow
WAY down for 30 seconds.
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So it's okay for when
I'm out there running,
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and I see all these
cars coming by and I say,
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"Man, I wish I could slow down"
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I should just do it
instead of just saying...
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"Just keep going
because they're all coming,
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and they're going
to think you're a wimp"
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"You just keep going"
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You've kind of gotten me moving
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over towards the
exercise side of things,
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but let me focus on
the intermittent training.
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We really think it
works well because it keeps
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lactic acid out of the blood.
00:14:06.24\00:14:07.61
Lactic acid is a
toxic sort of a substance
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that tends to
make the cells sick.
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Well you know, if you push it
too hard your muscles are sore.
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Lactic acid tends to decrease
your pleasure from your exercise
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and especially for
people who are sick...
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Makes them... they
don't feel as well.
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If we keep the lactic acid out,
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they can
actually improve faster.
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So that's an important
part of our treatment program,
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and certainly
taught and recommended at
00:14:30.32\00:14:32.61
Lifestyle Center of America,
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as well as the
Wellspring Program
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available for
people in their homes.
00:14:35.73\00:14:37.65
We've been talking
with Dr. George Guthrie
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We're talking
about type 2 diabetes.
00:14:39.65\00:14:41.90
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on how to stop,
reverse or probably better yet
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even than that... PREVENT
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Welcome back - we've been
talking with Dr. George Guthrie
00:15:50.85\00:15:54.78
We've been talking
about diabetes type 2.
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And this afflicts
millions of Americans,
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and we've been
learning some exciting things
00:16:00.47\00:16:02.20
as we've talked about
how the disease works...
00:16:02.23\00:16:05.21
or should we say, it makes your
00:16:05.24\00:16:06.82
body not work, Dr.
Guthrie. Right, right
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And you've done a
lot of work in this area.
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You work at the
Lifestyle Center of America
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in Oklahoma
where I think they have
00:16:13.05\00:16:14.95
in-home treatment programs
00:16:14.98\00:16:16.64
or in-house
treatment programs there.
00:16:16.67\00:16:18.80
And then also, there's a
new program developing...
00:16:18.83\00:16:22.41
You told me a little bit
about the Wellspring Program
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that people can even
have in their own community.
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What kind of things...
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We talked about
what causes diabetes.
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We talked about how we
have insulin resistance.
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We have a problem with
the pancreas ultimately
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starting to shut down
and then we started to
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talk about REVERSING that.
00:16:39.80\00:16:41.29
And then we had
talked about weight,
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and how we want to exercise
to reverse that problem.
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What other kinds
of things can we do
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to be reversing diabetes type 2?
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You remember the
CAUSE of the problem is
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too much energy in
- that's food calories
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and not enough energy out,
that's in essence - exercise.
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And we focused a
bit on the exercise...
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Why don't we pull over to the
food side here for a little bit.
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So we're out there
exercising, NOW to what we eat!
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When we eat, if we take a
lot of calories in all at once,
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and it HITS the body like a
TRUCK - like a wall of bricks,
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it's really quite a strain.
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All that energy comes
in, it hits the pancreas;
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the pancreas is yelling
- "THE ENERGY IS COMING"
00:17:21.04\00:17:23.18
THE ENERGY IS COMING!
A LOT of insulin goes up.
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We've talked about already
as we've talked about the cause
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that when the insulin is high,
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it tends to make
the weight go up.
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It tends to make the
blood pressure go up,
00:17:31.77\00:17:33.38
and the
cholesterol and all that stuff.
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So if we can take
food that doesn't stimulate
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as much insulin production,
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we'll actually be
helping the process.
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Does that make
sense? Now that makes sense!
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So speaking of food then,
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does that mean we
should just eat LESS food?
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Well that would
be one way to do it.
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But, if one chooses food
that is lower in calories,
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and larger in volume,
one doesn't have to decrease
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the amount of food.
00:18:00.64\00:18:02.01
They can even eat MORE food!
00:18:02.04\00:18:03.41
That's happened! Exactly
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So what should be in
the food we're eating?
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You said DECREASE the calories
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but the VOLUME...
How would I do that?
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Does it have a knob,
I turn up the volume?
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Or maybe a better question is...
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"Where in the grocery store
do I find that aisle?" RIGHT!
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Well the best place is
actually in the produce section.
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The way God designed food,
it didn't have the calorically
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dense nature - it has mixed with
it a lot of fiber and water,
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and other important things.
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So generally, the
rule that we use at
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Lifestyle Center of America
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is move toward a
plant-based diet.
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The closer you get it to
the way God made it, the better.
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So MANGOS and mashed
potatoes instead of M&Ms
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Well certainly mangos
would be better than M&Ms
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All right, so just more fiber.
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Anything else about
food we need to know as we're
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trying to
reverse type 2 diabetes?
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Well, when we
talk about the fiber,
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one of the encouraging things
about fiber is that it works
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in other ways that
are beneficial to the
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insulin resistance - to
that stimulus to the insulin.
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What the fiber tends to do
is to hang on to the energy,
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and let it go into
the body more slowly.
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If it goes in more slowly,
the pancreas doesn't have to
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respond so emotionally...
so VIGOROUSLY, okay
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It can... okay,
we can handle this,
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and there will be less insulin.
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If there is less insulin,
then there's less stimulus
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for the weight gain, etcetera.
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Okay, exercise, first
of all we talked about,
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and now we talked about how
to deal with the weight problem
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in terms of what we eat.
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There were other things
that we saw on our graphic that
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CAUSED or came as a
result of type 2 diabetes,
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and the next one on our list,
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I'm trying to
recall what that was...
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We had - what
was the next thing?
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We had obesity, hypertension
and the heart disease.
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So heart disease,
let's talk about that then,
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or hypertension.
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Now you mean how to get
the hypertension down? Right
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Well, since the insulin tends
to stimulate or the holding on
00:20:12.25\00:20:18.37
of the sodium and tends to
make the blood pressure go up,
00:20:18.40\00:20:20.77
if we can lower
the insulin levels,
00:20:20.80\00:20:24.23
why the blood pressure
will tend to come down as well.
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So it's just kind
of a natural thing,
00:20:27.11\00:20:28.98
and if we're moving and if
we're eating the right things.
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What other things do we
do then or do you do there
00:20:30.87\00:20:33.45
at the Lifestyle
Center of America,
00:20:33.48\00:20:34.92
or in the Wellspring Program
to REVERSE type 2 diabetes?
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Well, it's really simple.
00:20:39.31\00:20:41.14
It's the exercise and the diet.
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One of the things we
focus on is something called
00:20:43.49\00:20:46.10
the "glycemic index. "
Have you heard of this?
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I have NOT really
heard about this - no.
00:20:48.26\00:20:51.24
It's a rather
interesting concept.
00:20:51.27\00:20:52.87
Scientifically, we can
actually measure how fast
00:20:52.90\00:20:56.99
the energy comes into the body.
00:20:57.02\00:20:59.07
Measure the speed of the
00:20:59.10\00:21:00.47
freight train - if you
want to put it that way.
00:21:00.50\00:21:02.80
So when you eat a food,
how fast does it actually
00:21:02.83\00:21:05.50
enter the bloodstream?
00:21:05.53\00:21:07.08
The measurement we use is
called the "glycemic index"
00:21:07.11\00:21:12.35
In essence, it's a percentage.
00:21:12.38\00:21:14.14
You take 100 grams of sugar
or 100 grams of white bread
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and you measure somebody's
blood sugar when they eat that,
00:21:19.34\00:21:22.44
and it goes UP
and it comes down.
00:21:22.47\00:21:24.03
You measure that under the
curve ... you call that 100%
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Then you give
somebody 100 grams of broccoli.
00:21:26.92\00:21:30.74
And the blood sugar
goes up just a little bit.
00:21:30.77\00:21:32.98
And you measure the
area under the curve,
00:21:33.01\00:21:35.02
and then you say, "Well
that's a percentage of the 100%
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of either the
white bread or sugar.
00:21:39.29\00:21:42.34
And that then creates something
called the "glycemic index"
00:21:42.37\00:21:46.14
So you carry a
glycemic index with you
00:21:46.17\00:21:48.57
and say, "Okay, that's going to
00:21:48.60\00:21:49.97
make it go up -
I don't want that"
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Well it certainly helps to
answer questions when people
00:21:51.40\00:21:53.63
look at foods and
there are lists of foods
00:21:53.66\00:21:56.15
to help people with that...
00:21:56.18\00:21:57.55
BUT - truth is, the closer you
get it to the way God made it,
00:21:57.58\00:22:01.01
the better off you are.
00:22:01.04\00:22:03.01
For example, if you look
at the glycemic index of,
00:22:03.04\00:22:07.05
we mentioned it
already... white bread,
00:22:07.08\00:22:08.76
it's wheat that has
been highly refined.
00:22:08.79\00:22:11.74
It goes into the
body really fast.
00:22:11.77\00:22:14.14
If you look at the whole wheat,
it goes in quite a bit slower.
00:22:14.17\00:22:19.36
If you take the fiber
out, it goes in faster still.
00:22:19.39\00:22:22.81
If you grind it up
into powder, like the flour,
00:22:22.84\00:22:26.65
it goes in very fast.
00:22:26.68\00:22:28.05
If you eat it as wheat
berries, it goes in even slower.
00:22:28.08\00:22:30.76
So the same thing
would be true with white rice
00:22:30.79\00:22:32.81
versus brown rice? Exactly!
00:22:32.84\00:22:35.21
Okay so the glycemic index then,
00:22:35.24\00:22:37.52
this could be
something that would be handy,
00:22:37.55\00:22:39.27
but basically, if you
don't want to carry anything
00:22:39.30\00:22:41.17
with you, just eat
foods in their natural state,
00:22:41.20\00:22:43.34
and you're going to be okay.
00:22:43.37\00:22:44.74
Foods as grown
is a good principle.
00:22:44.77\00:22:46.74
The closer that you get
it to the way God made it,
00:22:46.77\00:22:49.62
the better off you are.
00:22:49.66\00:22:51.32
Honey... What about honey?
00:22:51.35\00:22:52.98
Well, honey has a
lot of sugar in it.
00:22:53.02\00:22:55.66
It's a processed
food from the bee, huh?
00:22:55.69\00:22:57.91
A processed food from
the bee - that's correct.
00:22:57.94\00:23:00.23
And this brings
out a good point, Don
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It's not that you can't
eat the foods that are higher
00:23:02.70\00:23:05.49
in glycemic, but your
meal should be composed
00:23:05.52\00:23:08.62
largely of foods that are
LOW on the glycemic index.
00:23:08.65\00:23:14.19
So, for example, you could have
a little honey with some sort of
00:23:14.22\00:23:19.93
a whole grain as a sweetener,
00:23:19.96\00:23:22.11
because the fiber
helps to modulate that.
00:23:22.14\00:23:25.15
We eat whole meals, we
don't usually eat plain foods
00:23:25.18\00:23:28.19
As-a-matter-of-fact,
there has been some argument
00:23:28.22\00:23:29.95
among those who work
directly with patients
00:23:29.98\00:23:33.59
about how USEFUL this
whole glycemic index is...
00:23:33.62\00:23:37.76
because who wants to
go around with a list.
00:23:37.79\00:23:40.74
So, in essence, it
is a TOOL to help people
00:23:40.77\00:23:43.51
begin to THINK about
foods that are safer and better.
00:23:43.54\00:23:47.43
Okay, you know, in speaking
about treating type 2 diabetes,
00:23:47.46\00:23:52.31
at the Lifestyle
Center of America,
00:23:52.34\00:23:55.59
and also in the
Wellspring Program,
00:23:55.62\00:23:56.99
have you seen SUCCESS?
00:23:57.02\00:23:58.39
Can people reverse this disease?
00:23:58.42\00:24:00.67
Do they get off insulin?
What kinds of things happen?
00:24:00.70\00:24:03.72
Oh Don, I'm afraid of
that "reversing" word, okay
00:24:03.75\00:24:07.71
When you talk about
reversing a disease,
00:24:07.74\00:24:10.18
that's a little scary to say.
00:24:10.21\00:24:12.01
For example, if somebody
has blindness from the diabetes,
00:24:12.04\00:24:15.67
I don't know that I
can reverse that... Right
00:24:15.70\00:24:17.89
The amputations, kidney failure,
00:24:17.92\00:24:22.65
I don't know that
we can reverse that.
00:24:22.68\00:24:24.22
But what I have seen happen is
I've seen blood sugars come down
00:24:24.25\00:24:27.57
I've seen
insulin levels come down.
00:24:27.60\00:24:29.42
Blood pressures come
down, weights come down.
00:24:29.45\00:24:31.56
In essence, this whole
problem associated with
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high insulin levels is...
I'm afraid to say that word
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"reversed" It's backed up!
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It's STOPPED at least.
It's not going further,
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and in many people it
actually, okay - reverses!
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So that's good news.
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It also means that if
someone is watching today
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and they have that
increase in weight,
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increase in blood pressure,
increase in cholesterol,
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all those different
things - it MAY BE DIABETES,
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then they should get
on it as soon as possible!
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If their blood sugars haven't
been found to be elevated,
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it's PROBABLY with
those 3 or 4 things going on
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at least PRE-DIABETES...
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And those we
know we can "reverse"
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Those reports are
in the literature.
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So if you catch it
when it's kind of in its
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pre-diabetes state,
then you can really do
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something about it by decreasing
the amount of calories in,
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and INCREASING the amount of
calories that you're expending,
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i. e., exercise.
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Some people say, "I
can't control my will"
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"What I WILL do- what I
WON'T do so give me a pill"
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You know, something like that.
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That really - it sounds
like is not a good approach...
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The medications and
what role do they play
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or should they NOT play.
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Well you already know from
our previous discussion here
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that raising the insulin
levels by giving insulin shots
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may make things actually worse!
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...Because high insulin
levels are part of the problem.
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Same thing with medications
that kick the pancreas...
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MAKE MORE
INSULIN, MAKE MORE INSULIN!
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It's kind of the same problem.
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We do have some
medications that tend to
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decrease insulin
levels... those make sense
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and may be helpful.
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Some provocative
things you talked about
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I've never heard about
before "magnesium and iron"
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We have about 1.5 minutes.
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Tell me a
little bit about these.
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Oh Don, it's hardly enough time.
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The average
American is low in magnesium.
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If we can increase
the magnesium in our diet,
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in our body, in our CELLS,
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and it's the intracellular
magnesium NOT the blood level.
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The blood level
doesn't correlate well,
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but intracellular
magnesium, if it goes up
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it INCREASES the
energy that the cells use,
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and if you
replace that magnesium,
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you actually tend to see
the parameters of diabetes
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and this whole
syndrome improving.
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Real quick -
foods high in magnesium.
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Plants. Anything that's a plant.
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Generally - you
remember chlorophyll,
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when you learned
about it in high school,
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the central little element
in the middle is magnesium.
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So there's a
lot of it in plants,
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and it's very
deficient in animal products.
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So pull over right now and eat
some plants... What about iron?
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Iron - some
interesting data coming out.
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Increase the iron - you
increase the insulin resistance,
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you tend to make
the cholesterol go up.
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Meat diets tend
to be high in iron,
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especially the red meat.
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They tend to make
this whole process worse.
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There are some interesting
studies demonstrating
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that people who donate
blood on a regular basis
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have fewer heart
attacks, lower cholesterol
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and less diabetes.
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So less iron, basically.
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We don't have to worry
about it as we get older.
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When we're younger and
growing, if we don't get enough,
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it causes
problems with learning,
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but as we get
older, we tend to store it,
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and too much iron is more likely
to be a problem as we get older.
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So watch that...
that's interesting.
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So, you know, there
is either side of that
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because when you're young
you certainly don't want to
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be recommending no iron for
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some people depending
on where they are in life.
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We've been talking
with Dr. George Guthrie
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We've been talking about
diabetes and how to STOP it,
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PREVENT it and
perhaps even REVERSE it.
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If you'd like more
information, give us a call.
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Thanks for joining us
on Health for a Lifetime!
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