Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime" 00:00:46.77\00:00:48.42 I'm your host Don Mackintosh 00:00:48.45\00:00:49.82 We're glad you've joined us today for our program! 00:00:49.85\00:00:51.89 We're going to be talking about diabetes today, 00:00:51.92\00:00:54.47 and maybe you or someone you know has this disease... 00:00:54.50\00:00:57.67 If they do, they'd want to tune in... 00:00:57.70\00:00:59.64 Maybe give them a call right now. 00:00:59.67\00:01:01.56 We're going to be talking with Dr. George Guthrie 00:01:01.59\00:01:03.51 about diabetes. 00:01:03.54\00:01:04.91 Dr. Guthrie is a physician at the Lifestyle Center of America 00:01:04.94\00:01:08.58 in Oklahoma and he has been there for a number of years. 00:01:08.61\00:01:12.58 Before that, he practiced in family practice 00:01:12.61\00:01:15.22 for about 14 years. 00:01:15.25\00:01:16.62 He has also been a university professor; 00:01:16.65\00:01:18.66 talking about public health and nutrition-type things 00:01:18.69\00:01:23.06 in his teaching and we're glad to have him with us! 00:01:23.09\00:01:25.70 Welcome Dr. Guthrie! Thank you, Don 00:01:25.73\00:01:27.93 Today we're going to be talking about a disease 00:01:27.96\00:01:29.58 I guess is impacting millions of Americans, 00:01:29.61\00:01:32.20 and has been escalating in this country 00:01:32.23\00:01:35.62 and around the world - diabetes. 00:01:35.65\00:01:37.41 What is diabetes and what causes it? 00:01:37.44\00:01:40.65 Boy, that's a good question. 00:01:40.68\00:01:42.36 You know, we get confused if we talk about diabetes as 00:01:42.39\00:01:46.25 one disease - there are actually several different 00:01:46.29\00:01:49.65 we call them, "KINDS" of diabetes, 00:01:49.68\00:01:51.42 and in some ways, they are actually opposite diseases. 00:01:51.46\00:01:54.56 Why don't we focus today on type 1 diabetes. 00:01:54.59\00:01:57.61 Great! I mean, we haven't done a program exclusively 00:01:57.64\00:02:00.51 focusing on that, so I know it will be 00:02:00.54\00:02:02.02 really appreciated. 00:02:02.05\00:02:03.42 What is type 1 diabetes? 00:02:03.45\00:02:05.61 To explain what type 1 diabetes is, 00:02:05.64\00:02:09.07 let's first talk about what normal physiology is. 00:02:09.10\00:02:14.11 Stop to think about the way we're created. 00:02:14.14\00:02:16.50 Food is put into the mouth, chewed, goes down the esophagus 00:02:16.53\00:02:20.05 into the stomach - kind of mixed up a bit with enzymes; 00:02:20.08\00:02:23.10 digestion begins. 00:02:23.13\00:02:25.31 Food then goes into the small intestine and is absorbed 00:02:25.34\00:02:28.96 into blood vessels. 00:02:28.99\00:02:32.31 Some of those blood vessels actually go to a small organ 00:02:32.34\00:02:35.57 behind the stomach called the "pancreas" 00:02:35.60\00:02:38.98 There in the pancreas, cells called "beta cells" 00:02:39.01\00:02:42.42 and I'll end up referring them to that again later, 00:02:42.45\00:02:45.27 so might as well lay it right up front - "beta cells" 00:02:45.30\00:02:47.93 whose job it is to respond to the energy coming in 00:02:47.96\00:02:51.67 and say, "There is energy coming" 00:02:51.70\00:02:54.65 The hormone that goes out is called "insulin" 00:02:54.68\00:02:58.51 It goes to the cells of the body throughout the body 00:02:58.54\00:03:01.91 and they, listening for the hormone, 00:03:01.94\00:03:05.33 then open up and say, 00:03:05.36\00:03:07.45 "I guess it's time for the energy to come in 00:03:07.49\00:03:09.68 because the hormone has sent the message. " 00:03:09.72\00:03:11.88 Sometimes call this hormone the "Paul Revere hormone" 00:03:11.92\00:03:15.76 because it's sending out a message. 00:03:15.79\00:03:17.28 And Paul Revere was that guy that said... 00:03:17.31\00:03:18.68 "The British are coming" That's right... 00:03:18.71\00:03:20.08 But insulin is saying, "The ENERGY is coming" 00:03:20.11\00:03:23.06 Okay, and so the insulin goes out and just 00:03:23.09\00:03:25.11 let's everybody know there's help on the way. 00:03:25.14\00:03:28.27 There's energy coming and they open up according 00:03:28.30\00:03:31.18 to their particular need. 00:03:31.21\00:03:32.64 Now, if we want to look at type 1 diabetes, 00:03:32.67\00:03:36.45 there's a problem with this process. 00:03:36.48\00:03:39.90 Sometimes an infection comes into the body, 00:03:39.93\00:03:44.52 usually a viral infection, 00:03:44.55\00:03:47.57 ends up attacking the pancreas... 00:03:47.60\00:03:50.89 the beta cells, the ones that make the insulin... 00:03:50.92\00:03:53.36 The Paul Reveres... No, no 00:03:53.39\00:03:55.19 The horse? These are the cells that... 00:03:55.22\00:03:58.13 ...The cells that actually MAKE the Paul Revere hormone. 00:03:58.16\00:04:02.46 And make them sick. 00:04:02.49\00:04:05.02 The body recognizes that there is an illness there 00:04:05.05\00:04:07.67 and comes out to fight it. 00:04:07.70\00:04:09.61 Instead of just fighting the infection, 00:04:09.64\00:04:11.65 there's some confusion that takes place in the immune system 00:04:11.68\00:04:15.15 and the body begins to fight the beta cells 00:04:15.18\00:04:18.13 and eventually kills them. 00:04:18.16\00:04:19.89 Okay, so it's actually fighting itself, 00:04:19.92\00:04:22.22 and it kills the very things that are needed 00:04:22.25\00:04:24.22 to produce insulin. 00:04:24.25\00:04:27.40 No, there's no insulin, so the cells 00:04:27.43\00:04:31.26 out at the periphery don't get the message. 00:04:31.29\00:04:33.95 There's in essence, a block... 00:04:33.98\00:04:35.99 So is it possible... it's not true then, 00:04:36.02\00:04:39.01 I've heard many times, people say that 00:04:39.04\00:04:40.51 sometimes you're just BORN with type 1 diabetes... 00:04:40.54\00:04:43.96 That's not true then. 00:04:43.99\00:04:45.36 We understand type 1 diabetes as being in the category of 00:04:45.39\00:04:51.09 autoimmune disease, now at least when it starts. 00:04:51.12\00:04:54.13 Where the body gets confused 00:04:54.16\00:04:55.90 about what it should fight and shouldn't fight, 00:04:55.93\00:04:58.06 and actually turns around and fights itself. 00:04:58.09\00:05:01.65 So when a baby is born, 00:05:01.68\00:05:03.05 it's not born with type 1 diabetes then. 00:05:03.08\00:05:05.82 I've never seen one; I've never really heard of one. 00:05:05.85\00:05:08.24 But sometimes people get this very, very YOUNG, 00:05:08.27\00:05:12.00 and you're saying it's caused by an infection. 00:05:12.03\00:05:14.88 Let's say the only thing that the baby has been 00:05:14.91\00:05:17.07 drinking is milk... 00:05:17.10\00:05:19.21 Could someone get type 1 diabetes from its mother's milk? 00:05:19.24\00:05:25.53 There has been an association noted between cow's milk 00:05:25.56\00:05:29.20 and diabetes type 1... 00:05:29.23\00:05:31.51 But I don't know that we could 00:05:31.54\00:05:33.38 say it's actually the CAUSE of the disease, 00:05:33.41\00:05:36.47 because the problem is in the immune system. 00:05:36.50\00:05:40.43 There are 2 parts to the immune system; 00:05:40.46\00:05:41.88 one part of the immune system says... 00:05:41.91\00:05:43.38 "GO GET IT, we've got a problem, 00:05:43.41\00:05:44.98 we've got an infection and we need to take care of it. " 00:05:45.01\00:05:47.26 The other part says, "WAIT A MINUTE - hold on" 00:05:47.29\00:05:49.99 "We don't want to fight quite so hard on that. " 00:05:50.02\00:05:52.52 And if there's an imbalance in that immune system 00:05:52.55\00:05:54.82 so the "go-get-it" gets too strong, 00:05:54.85\00:05:57.11 and overcomes the "No, you better not do it," 00:05:57.14\00:05:59.20 we have the immune system then fighting self. 00:05:59.23\00:06:02.93 So it's a GOOD thing! 00:06:02.96\00:06:06.01 Immune system is a good thing, right? Right! 00:06:06.04\00:06:07.77 But it's just maybe overactive at this point, 00:06:07.80\00:06:10.84 and does almost too good a job, so-to-speak. 00:06:10.87\00:06:13.56 So you brought up the question of milk... 00:06:13.59\00:06:16.08 If a protein of some kind, such as milk, 00:06:16.11\00:06:20.76 gets into the body's immune system 00:06:20.79\00:06:22.73 and begins to confuse the immune system. 00:06:22.76\00:06:27.06 The immune system is a little bit weak; 00:06:27.09\00:06:28.49 sometimes there's an association of proteins or something, 00:06:28.52\00:06:31.23 and it may weaken the immune system enough 00:06:31.26\00:06:33.37 so the body is likely to get confused, 00:06:33.40\00:06:35.52 and I think that's probably the connection between the two, 00:06:35.55\00:06:39.43 although I don't know that it's nailed down for sure. 00:06:39.46\00:06:41.94 So, I mean, this is kind of maybe off the subject, 00:06:41.97\00:06:45.32 and you can tell me if it is, but if someone is in a family 00:06:45.36\00:06:48.20 that is subject to say... allergies or responses, 00:06:48.24\00:06:51.58 do they have to be a little more careful.. would you say? 00:06:52.36\00:06:54.81 You bring up a very good point. 00:06:54.84\00:06:56.93 While diabetes type 1 is not a hereditary disease, 00:06:56.96\00:07:03.08 the weakness of the immune system may be a hereditary thing 00:07:03.11\00:07:07.26 And it's true, we see families that are more likely to HAVE 00:07:07.29\00:07:10.77 autoimmune disease where the immune system gets confused, 00:07:10.80\00:07:13.91 and starts to fight itself. 00:07:13.94\00:07:15.42 Things like diabetes type 1 or rheumatoid arthritis, 00:07:15.45\00:07:19.93 or lupus - these are diseases 00:07:19.96\00:07:21.69 where the immune system is confused... 00:07:21.72\00:07:23.15 And YES, they tend to run in families. 00:07:23.18\00:07:25.49 So you just have to be maybe more cautious 00:07:25.52\00:07:27.92 if that has been running in your family - that type of thing. 00:07:27.95\00:07:31.79 Yes, that's fair, but I'm not sure 00:07:31.82\00:07:37.29 that you can always control it. 00:07:37.32\00:07:38.69 Sometimes things happen we have NO control over, 00:07:38.72\00:07:40.59 and these things just happen. 00:07:40.62\00:07:41.99 So there may be genetic involvement 00:07:42.02\00:07:45.18 but do the best that you can. Right 00:07:45.21\00:07:46.88 Would it be fair to say that the best to do is 00:07:46.91\00:07:49.00 to breastfeed your child if you can? 00:07:49.03\00:07:52.13 We know that people who are breastfed for at least 00:07:52.16\00:07:56.03 one year of life have fewer allergies. 00:07:56.06\00:07:59.14 It tends to strengthen the immune system if 00:07:59.17\00:08:01.28 just breast milk is used. 00:08:01.31\00:08:03.34 People are more likely to have allergies and problems with 00:08:03.37\00:08:06.46 the immune system if they are fed foods other than breast milk 00:08:06.49\00:08:12.12 before 6 months of age, and some might say 12 months. 00:08:12.15\00:08:16.61 What is the big deal about getting diabetes anyway? 00:08:16.64\00:08:19.47 What does it do to your body? 00:08:19.50\00:08:21.61 Ahh... Good question! 00:08:21.64\00:08:24.03 We've got this whole issue of the disease... 00:08:24.07\00:08:26.80 Insulin-the Paul Revere hormone, is necessary to tell the cells 00:08:26.83\00:08:31.56 "the energy is coming" so they can open up 00:08:31.59\00:08:34.05 and let that energy in. 00:08:34.08\00:08:35.87 If that's not there, the cells don't get the energy. 00:08:35.90\00:08:39.35 If they don't get the energy, in essence, they die. 00:08:39.38\00:08:43.15 We call, another name, for this type 1 diabetes is 00:08:43.18\00:08:46.07 insulin-dependent diabetes. 00:08:46.10\00:08:49.22 And it's insulin-dependent because if people don't 00:08:49.25\00:08:51.79 have insulin, they will die generally within 00:08:51.82\00:08:54.30 a few days to a week. 00:08:54.33\00:08:57.87 Is the insulin used in the body; 00:08:57.90\00:09:01.87 is the brain different than the body in that sense? 00:09:01.90\00:09:03.93 Oh okay... there are some tissues in the body 00:09:03.96\00:09:07.02 that don't need insulin to take the sugar in. 00:09:07.05\00:09:10.37 The brain is one of those. 00:09:10.40\00:09:11.86 So that's why you say they die over a number of 00:09:11.89\00:09:14.48 weeks or months or whatever. 00:09:14.51\00:09:15.88 Well, it's actually days to weeks. 00:09:15.91\00:09:17.68 It's a shorter period of time because the muscle cells 00:09:17.71\00:09:20.33 are not getting the energy and death ensues 00:09:20.36\00:09:24.44 in relatively short order. 00:09:24.47\00:09:25.84 So it's a dangerous thing. 00:09:25.87\00:09:27.99 Does it cause any other problems in the body, 00:09:28.02\00:09:29.97 or is there something else we need to know about it 00:09:30.00\00:09:32.49 before we even talk about that? 00:09:32.52\00:09:34.10 If it is untreated, death comes quickly. 00:09:34.13\00:09:37.64 Now maybe another question to ask before we actually 00:09:37.67\00:09:40.56 talk about the problems that diabetes causes in the body is 00:09:40.59\00:09:44.04 ...What's the best way to treat it? 00:09:44.07\00:09:46.74 And I've lectured on this to kids in the 5th and 6th grade. 00:09:46.77\00:09:49.86 Explain the process and you'd simply ask the question... 00:09:49.89\00:09:53.29 "Well what's the best way to treat it?" 00:09:53.32\00:09:55.61 "I'm the patient, you're the doctor" 00:09:55.64\00:09:57.52 we say to the 6th graders... 00:09:57.55\00:09:59.12 "How do you treat it?" 00:09:59.15\00:10:00.52 Well, it's obvious, you give insulin. 00:10:00.55\00:10:02.85 And that's in general what we do. 00:10:02.88\00:10:05.39 A person doesn't have insulin, we give a little bit of insulin 00:10:05.42\00:10:09.03 ...the cells say, "I need that stuff" - they open up 00:10:09.06\00:10:11.71 and the energy goes in and we've solved the problem. 00:10:11.74\00:10:15.02 Now it gets complicated getting the insulin there 00:10:15.05\00:10:18.38 at just the right time. 00:10:18.41\00:10:19.78 You have an interesting graphic about insulin resistance 00:10:19.81\00:10:24.76 and kind of how all this works. 00:10:24.80\00:10:26.58 Let's look at that and explain what we see here. 00:10:26.61\00:10:29.36 Okay, well you could see the food coming into the stomach 00:10:29.39\00:10:31.82 and kind of mixing up by a circuitous route. 00:10:31.85\00:10:34.65 It goes to the blood and it's trying to go to hungry cells 00:10:34.68\00:10:38.00 but without the insulin, of course, 00:10:38.03\00:10:41.43 it won't go into the cells, and so we have cells... 00:10:41.46\00:10:45.14 There's a word on the bottom of the screen there 00:10:45.17\00:10:47.17 that says... "insulin sensitivity" 00:10:47.20\00:10:49.34 These cells will respond QUICKLY to insulin. 00:10:49.37\00:10:53.27 People with other kinds of diabetes often take 00:10:53.30\00:10:55.56 LARGE DOSES of insulin to get the cells to take the insulin, 00:10:55.59\00:10:59.63 but in type 1 diabetes generally 00:10:59.66\00:11:01.47 just a small amount of insulin is needed. 00:11:01.50\00:11:04.18 Okay, so the insulin... what was that called - 00:11:04.21\00:11:08.91 "insulin sensitivity" is heightened with someone 00:11:08.94\00:11:10.90 that has diabetes type 1, 00:11:10.93\00:11:13.09 because they simply don't have any insulin around, 00:11:13.12\00:11:14.73 and when they have it, they say, "Hey, they're here," 00:11:14.76\00:11:17.07 Paul Revere is here... Open up, let me in! 00:11:17.10\00:11:19.82 And that's because they can then get the nutriment 00:11:19.85\00:11:23.55 they need, I guess, in the cell; that's why they're so excited. 00:11:23.58\00:11:25.53 The energy can go in. 00:11:25.56\00:11:26.93 Now you and I, I assume you don't have diabetes 00:11:26.96\00:11:30.83 I don't have diabetes... would generally make about 00:11:30.86\00:11:33.80 30 units of insulin a day. 00:11:33.83\00:11:36.20 A type 1 diabetic, when they are treated for their diabetes, 00:11:36.23\00:11:40.47 really shouldn't need a large dose of insulin. 00:11:40.50\00:11:42.33 It should be somewhere in the range of 20-30 units a day 00:11:42.36\00:11:45.57 because the cells of the body are very sensitive. 00:11:45.60\00:11:48.24 And so that's the treatment then... 00:11:48.27\00:11:50.71 I mean, once you've had that autoimmune system, 00:11:50.74\00:11:53.39 it's knocked out your pancreas, so-to-speak, 00:11:53.42\00:11:56.10 then the only treatment is insulin, 00:11:56.13\00:11:59.84 and that's why they have to get these shots and whatnot. 00:11:59.87\00:12:03.26 And you're saying it needs to be just a small dose. 00:12:03.29\00:12:06.01 Anything else you need to tell us about insulin? 00:12:06.04\00:12:08.43 It can be given in different routes. 00:12:08.46\00:12:11.80 There are a lot of things about the medicine 00:12:11.83\00:12:15.61 and the science of insulin. 00:12:15.64\00:12:17.16 What we used initially was an insulin that lasted about 00:12:17.19\00:12:21.26 3 hours called "regular insulin" 00:12:21.29\00:12:24.62 And if it lasts that long, a type 1 diabetic would 00:12:24.65\00:12:28.12 take this with their meal or just before their meal. 00:12:28.15\00:12:30.63 That would help bring the energy out of the blood 00:12:30.66\00:12:33.54 put it into the cells and then one would expect that 00:12:33.57\00:12:35.69 insulin to wear out after about 3 hours. 00:12:35.72\00:12:38.65 So that's generally what we've used. 00:12:38.68\00:12:40.14 We've also had a longer-acting insulin... variety of insulins; 00:12:40.17\00:12:44.83 insulins that last 6-8 hours, for example; 00:12:44.86\00:12:47.40 the NPH and that would allow you 00:12:47.43\00:12:49.71 to take a shot in the morning and it would be covering 00:12:49.74\00:12:52.04 your noon meal because it generally lasts that long. 00:12:52.07\00:12:56.07 So there is a variety of different insulins... 00:12:56.10\00:12:58.95 the treatment for type 1 diabetes 00:12:58.98\00:13:01.46 is, in essence, to give the insulin. 00:13:01.49\00:13:06.48 When was insulin invented in the sense.. 00:13:06.51\00:13:09.76 I mean, it has always been there but when did they 00:13:09.79\00:13:12.82 get it so you could actually 00:13:12.85\00:13:14.22 inject it... how long has that been around? 00:13:14.25\00:13:16.40 You're right, the Creator designed it, 00:13:16.44\00:13:18.58 and to NOT have it... an enemy has done this 00:13:18.62\00:13:22.49 I think Scripture says, it's a disease process 00:13:22.52\00:13:26.40 ...it's not the way it's supposed to be at all. 00:13:26.43\00:13:29.61 We finally discovered insulin 00:13:29.64\00:13:32.90 in about 1922-23 somewhere along in there, 00:13:32.93\00:13:38.13 and began to use it at that time to help bring 00:13:38.16\00:13:41.20 the blood sugars down. 00:13:41.23\00:13:42.60 And they've just been perfecting 00:13:42.63\00:13:44.21 or further sophisticating that. 00:13:44.24\00:13:46.63 Now let me ask you this... 00:13:46.67\00:13:48.04 It would appear to me that if the Creator designed the body 00:13:48.07\00:13:52.32 to be very responsive to whatever the needs are, you know 00:13:52.35\00:13:55.47 as they come that just when you need insulin, it's there. 00:13:55.50\00:13:58.50 When you don't need it, it's not there. 00:13:58.53\00:14:00.69 Is there a hazard... I mean you say you give a shot, 00:14:00.72\00:14:05.14 and then it's there for all day, 00:14:05.17\00:14:07.26 but is there any cost to the body when the 00:14:07.29\00:14:11.14 pancreas is not working and we 00:14:11.17\00:14:12.97 have to sort of do the shot thing? 00:14:13.00\00:14:14.76 Yeah, we as human beings just 00:14:14.79\00:14:16.60 don't do as well as the Creator does. 00:14:16.63\00:14:19.55 When He designed the pancreas to work, it WAS responsive. 00:14:19.58\00:14:22.58 When we try to GUESS what we're going to need, 00:14:22.61\00:14:24.41 then we run into problems. 00:14:24.44\00:14:25.81 And we have problems, 2 different sets, 00:14:25.84\00:14:28.31 in type 1 diabetes... 00:14:28.34\00:14:29.71 #1- The blood sugar is up too high. 00:14:29.74\00:14:31.54 And the other one, the blood sugars get too low. 00:14:31.57\00:14:34.55 If you gave TOO much insulin and the sugar went TOO low, 00:14:34.58\00:14:37.83 there wouldn't be enough sugar for the brain 00:14:37.86\00:14:39.86 when the blood level gets below 50 mg/dL 00:14:39.89\00:14:44.83 Then, there's not enough for the brain; 00:14:44.86\00:14:46.68 the brain stops working; people stop thinking. 00:14:46.71\00:14:49.96 That's when they pass out. 00:14:49.99\00:14:51.58 Okay, so that's when it's too low. 00:14:51.61\00:14:53.33 What if it's too high? 00:14:53.36\00:14:54.73 Well if it's too high, people's brain tend to get foggy. 00:14:54.76\00:14:57.53 There's something called "glucose toxicity" 00:14:57.56\00:15:01.08 when the blood sugar is over 200. 00:15:01.11\00:15:03.18 ...The body just doesn't work as well. 00:15:03.21\00:15:04.71 Everything works with less efficiency, 00:15:04.74\00:15:07.65 and people often feel a little groggy in the brain. 00:15:07.68\00:15:10.33 Okay, we've talked about what that does to the sensorium 00:15:10.36\00:15:12.81 or the senses of how we feel, 00:15:12.84\00:15:15.04 but what about the cost to the body itself? 00:15:15.07\00:15:17.17 Is it costly to have high sugars versus low sugars 00:15:17.20\00:15:20.80 in the body itself? 00:15:20.83\00:15:22.20 The most DANGEROUS is a low blood sugar 00:15:22.23\00:15:23.66 because that would kill you if 00:15:23.69\00:15:25.06 you didn't get it taken care of. 00:15:25.09\00:15:26.55 But over the long haul, we have problems with 00:15:26.58\00:15:29.74 ELEVATED blood sugars. 00:15:29.77\00:15:31.61 Too much ENERGY, too much sugar in the 00:15:31.64\00:15:34.16 blood vessels over time actually ends up causing 00:15:34.19\00:15:37.92 changes in the small blood vessels. 00:15:37.95\00:15:39.32 I think we have another graphic to kind of talk about this... 00:15:39.35\00:15:41.95 We're going to come back and look at that 00:15:41.98\00:15:43.35 graphic right after the break. 00:15:43.38\00:15:44.75 We're talking with Dr. George Guthrie 00:15:44.78\00:15:46.27 We're talking about type 1 diabetes, 00:15:46.30\00:15:48.05 and there's GOOD NEWS in the second half as well. 00:15:48.08\00:15:50.16 There are new treatments and things about 00:15:50.19\00:15:51.99 type 1 diabetes you simply need to hear, 00:15:52.02\00:15:54.29 so come back after the break. 00:15:54.32\00:15:56.25 Have you found yourself wishing that you could 00:15:57.37\00:15:59.09 shed a few pounds? 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An infection! 00:17:14.13\00:17:17.51 And it's not caused by any particular thing, 00:17:17.54\00:17:20.09 it's just the response of the body. 00:17:20.12\00:17:22.99 And then we've talked about really what the problem is 00:17:23.02\00:17:26.00 with diabetes - when the sugar goes too low, we pass out. 00:17:26.03\00:17:28.59 When it's too high, we also get kind of messed up as well. 00:17:28.62\00:17:32.01 But then we were talking about COST to the body itself 00:17:32.04\00:17:34.69 and we were about ready to look at a graphic. 00:17:34.72\00:17:37.79 So help us look at that graphic and explain to us 00:17:37.82\00:17:40.46 what's happening to the body with diabetes. 00:17:40.49\00:17:43.13 Okay... As the blood sugars go up, 00:17:43.16\00:17:46.34 and they're up over time, they begin to affect the 00:17:46.37\00:17:49.96 small blood vessels in the body. 00:17:49.99\00:17:51.89 If that happens to be in the eyes, 00:17:51.92\00:17:53.62 it, of course, leads to blindness. 00:17:53.65\00:17:56.48 If it happens in the kidneys, it leads to kidney failure. 00:17:56.51\00:17:59.64 If it happens in the nerves, it leads to neuropathy; 00:17:59.67\00:18:03.56 that is that burning-numbness pain that comes in the nerves. 00:18:03.59\00:18:07.54 And, of course, if it bothers the small blood vessels 00:18:07.57\00:18:10.11 in the legs, one might get an infection, 00:18:10.14\00:18:12.82 your body wouldn't be able to fight it-that infection. 00:18:12.85\00:18:15.45 You've probably heard of gangrene leads to amputation! 00:18:15.48\00:18:19.25 So the potential problems from 00:18:19.28\00:18:21.25 not keeping those blood sugars under control are rather serious 00:18:21.28\00:18:24.97 Now you've said that the only treatment for type 1, 00:18:25.00\00:18:27.58 at least at this point, for many years was just having insulin, 00:18:27.61\00:18:31.16 and you said there was even some more new insulins 00:18:31.19\00:18:34.30 that you were going to tell me something about them. 00:18:34.33\00:18:37.36 Our goal in treating type 1 diabetes is to try to 00:18:37.39\00:18:40.26 get the blood sugars as close to normal as possible. 00:18:40.29\00:18:43.22 We know now from some rather large scientific studies 00:18:43.25\00:18:45.79 that if we DO that, we can minimize those complications. 00:18:45.82\00:18:48.89 Maybe even make them go away. 00:18:48.92\00:18:50.29 Certainly put off the problems for years. 00:18:50.32\00:18:53.03 And so, that has led us to try develop new insulins... 00:18:53.06\00:18:57.74 New ways of giving the insulin that more closely reflect 00:18:57.77\00:19:01.46 our physiology. 00:19:01.49\00:19:02.86 We've end up having a very rapid-acting insulin now 00:19:02.89\00:19:08.71 that lasts just like 45 minutes or so. 00:19:08.74\00:19:11.57 You can take it about the time you eat... 00:19:11.60\00:19:13.40 The way you and I function, our pancreas - when we eat, 00:19:13.43\00:19:17.23 the insulin comes out; the energy gets put away, 00:19:17.26\00:19:20.88 and the insulin goes away. 00:19:20.91\00:19:22.54 And then it can be mirrored with these new injections. 00:19:22.57\00:19:26.81 So if you decide to have some kind of a very 00:19:26.84\00:19:30.77 simple carbohydrate, I don't want to pick on any kind of food 00:19:30.80\00:19:35.98 or some kind of candy bar or something, 00:19:36.01\00:19:37.71 then you say, "Okay, I need my shot," you can do that now. 00:19:37.74\00:19:40.38 You can actually cover that for a short period of time. 00:19:40.42\00:19:43.03 Another problem we have is actually having a low grade 00:19:43.06\00:19:46.88 insulin in the background to keep the liver from 00:19:46.91\00:19:50.28 pouring out sugar because insulin lets the liver know 00:19:50.31\00:19:54.65 that energy is around so you don't need to make anymore. 00:19:54.68\00:19:58.54 If the insulin gets low, the liver starts to pour it out. 00:19:58.57\00:20:01.20 And in order to meet THAT need, 00:20:01.23\00:20:02.63 we have an insulin that lasts a LONG time - 36 hours! 00:20:02.66\00:20:06.80 And so, if we have a little bit of that in the background, 00:20:06.83\00:20:09.85 and then we have the real short-acting on top of each meal 00:20:09.88\00:20:13.55 it's much easier now to actually fashion the 00:20:13.58\00:20:18.72 insulin dosage after what normal physiology is. 00:20:18.75\00:20:22.07 Do you have many people come through your 00:20:22.10\00:20:24.36 "Wellspring Diabetes Program" that are type 1 diabetics? 00:20:24.40\00:20:26.68 Not very many. 00:20:26.71\00:20:29.14 Lifestyle is not a real good... Well, it doesn't cure, 00:20:29.17\00:20:35.39 it doesn't reverse type 1 diabetes. 00:20:35.42\00:20:37.22 You see, there's a program with the dead pancreas, 00:20:37.25\00:20:38.95 BUT those people that do come through and move to 00:20:38.98\00:20:43.08 our way of treating type 2 diabetes, 00:20:43.11\00:20:45.94 that is a plant-based diet, 00:20:45.97\00:20:47.46 we find that the blood sugars don't shoot up and down 00:20:47.49\00:20:49.89 as much and they're easier to control; 00:20:49.92\00:20:52.07 certainly it's not curative. 00:20:52.10\00:20:53.47 So it's kind of easier on the system. 00:20:53.50\00:20:55.39 Much easier on the system. 00:20:55.42\00:20:57.80 Well you know, you were sharing with me, as we talked about this 00:20:57.83\00:21:00.47 that there is actually some NEW research 00:21:00.50\00:21:03.15 and there are new things that have been DONE 00:21:03.18\00:21:04.96 that really give HOPE to type 1 diabetics. 00:21:04.99\00:21:09.03 You talked about an "Edmond" approach 00:21:09.06\00:21:11.66 and a "Rossini" approach 00:21:11.69\00:21:13.33 What are these? 00:21:13.36\00:21:15.18 Okay, there is an "Edmond protocol" 00:21:15.21\00:21:18.00 It actually comes out of Canada looking at ways 00:21:18.03\00:21:21.01 to transplant new beta cells into the pancreas. 00:21:21.04\00:21:27.75 You see, if a type 1 diabetic's pancreas 00:21:27.78\00:21:30.47 has all the beta cells dead, 00:21:30.50\00:21:32.58 is there a way we can put new ones in? 00:21:32.61\00:21:34.84 And, in essence, there is a protocol where by which 00:21:34.87\00:21:38.14 the body can actually accept those. 00:21:38.17\00:21:41.00 Unfortunately, it still takes the antirejection drugs 00:21:41.03\00:21:44.96 which can be pretty strong and don't always leave a 00:21:44.99\00:21:48.14 high quality of life, but that is encouraging. 00:21:48.17\00:21:51.41 So that's the Edmond approach. 00:21:51.44\00:21:52.83 They actually open you up then and put those cells in 00:21:52.86\00:21:54.98 or what do they... No, it can actually go... 00:21:55.01\00:21:57.17 It is my understanding... I've never done it, by a catheter. 00:21:57.20\00:22:01.50 These stem cells kind of motivated to be beta cells 00:22:01.53\00:22:06.48 are put into the... and they can set up shop really anywhere. 00:22:06.51\00:22:09.79 Is that right? So they actually put them right in there... 00:22:09.82\00:22:13.88 The problem, the downside though is those immuno... 00:22:13.91\00:22:17.11 those drugs to suppress the immune system. That's right 00:22:17.14\00:22:19.68 Which was the thing that caused 00:22:19.71\00:22:21.08 the problem to begin with, right? 00:22:21.11\00:22:22.48 Right... So it's depressed immune system, 00:22:22.51\00:22:24.22 depressed immune system 00:22:24.25\00:22:25.81 You can get infections. 00:22:25.84\00:22:27.36 You can have all kinds of problems with that. 00:22:27.39\00:22:30.06 Okay, well then what about... 00:22:30.10\00:22:31.47 What was the other guy's name... Rossini? 00:22:31.50\00:22:33.78 Dr. Rossini is from the University of Massachusetts; 00:22:33.81\00:22:36.88 presented in 2003 to the American Diabetic Association 00:22:36.91\00:22:41.65 a lecture, which I was privileged to hear; 00:22:41.68\00:22:43.58 I'm excited about it because he has come up 00:22:43.61\00:22:45.99 with a method which works in mice. 00:22:46.02\00:22:49.27 We haven't got it to humans yet. 00:22:49.30\00:22:50.67 But a method to actually allow 00:22:50.70\00:22:53.29 the transplant of these beta cells 00:22:53.32\00:22:55.41 without needing the immune suppression drugs later on. 00:22:55.44\00:23:00.66 And he's doing this in mice. He's doing this in mice. 00:23:00.69\00:23:03.44 In essence, preparing the body ahead of time. 00:23:03.47\00:23:07.28 You see, when a new protein from outside the body comes in, 00:23:07.31\00:23:11.82 the immune system comes out and looks at it and says, 00:23:11.85\00:23:14.61 "Is this US, or is this not?" 00:23:14.64\00:23:16.67 What it's last name... does it have the right uniform on? 00:23:16.70\00:23:22.71 And the response is actually decided by these macrophages 00:23:22.74\00:23:28.52 who grab onto this protein. What are they called? 00:23:28.55\00:23:31.11 Macrophages. 00:23:31.14\00:23:32.51 Oh, I thought you said "Mackintoshes" 00:23:32.54\00:23:33.91 No... macrophages. 00:23:33.94\00:23:35.33 Macrophages look at this protein and then 00:23:35.36\00:23:37.89 look at it and say, "Well, I'm going to present 00:23:37.92\00:23:40.16 this to the immune system" 00:23:40.20\00:23:41.57 And they hand it over to another immune system cell 00:23:41.60\00:23:44.06 which then will create a response to reject 00:23:44.09\00:23:48.70 the protein that has come in. 00:23:48.73\00:23:51.35 Well, what Dr. Rossini has done is in essence 00:23:51.38\00:23:54.26 developed an antibody against a couple of the connections... 00:23:54.29\00:23:58.02 You know, when the rockets dock, they come together. 00:23:58.05\00:24:00.91 Well, when the immune system comes together, 00:24:00.94\00:24:03.35 there are some docking ports. 00:24:03.38\00:24:04.75 So he BLOCKS those and then actually gives a transfusion of 00:24:04.78\00:24:09.50 some blood from the donning animal 00:24:09.53\00:24:13.64 which has cells in it that say, "Hey, that's okay" 00:24:13.67\00:24:17.08 ...And as they have a chance to build up, 00:24:17.12\00:24:18.49 they start telling the immune system, 00:24:18.52\00:24:19.89 "You don't have to fight that" 00:24:19.92\00:24:21.29 It's okay! It's one of us! 00:24:21.32\00:24:23.27 And then the connection between the 2 is actually 00:24:23.30\00:24:26.42 blocked for the month or 2 00:24:26.45\00:24:28.34 around the infusion of the beta cells, 00:24:28.38\00:24:30.53 and I'm excited because it's working, 00:24:30.56\00:24:32.68 and I suspect that within the next 5 years or so 00:24:32.71\00:24:37.23 we'll probably be seeing it in human beings as well. 00:24:37.26\00:24:39.51 Wow, so let me see if I understand this 00:24:39.54\00:24:41.80 because you said quite a bit right there. 00:24:41.83\00:24:43.20 Let's go back to it again. Okay 00:24:43.23\00:24:44.60 So the "Rossini" approach is kind of like when 00:24:44.63\00:24:50.16 ...I'm just listening; I'm trying to be 00:24:50.19\00:24:52.92 the person that's listening to it today. 00:24:52.95\00:24:55.64 What happens is, he wants to put those cells back 00:24:55.67\00:24:58.24 in the pancreas so they can make insulin again. Sure 00:24:58.27\00:25:00.69 But the problem with doing that is the body always 00:25:00.72\00:25:02.81 attacks them and kills them. Right 00:25:02.84\00:25:04.23 So what he's doing now is, beforehand, 00:25:04.26\00:25:09.04 laying the foundation so they'd be accepted... 00:25:09.07\00:25:12.22 Kind of like disrupting their homeland security system 00:25:12.25\00:25:15.71 of the body. EXACTLY! 00:25:15.74\00:25:17.11 Homeland security is blocked until the message can get 00:25:17.14\00:25:21.17 through the body's government. 00:25:21.20\00:25:23.05 These are "okay guys. " 00:25:23.08\00:25:24.90 Okay, and then once that happens for a certain amount of time, 00:25:24.93\00:25:29.43 and they probably checked the levels and everything, 00:25:29.46\00:25:31.98 then that's when they put the cells in. 00:25:32.01\00:25:33.91 There is actually an injection ahead of time, 00:25:33.94\00:25:36.49 and then at the time that the beta cells go in, 00:25:36.52\00:25:39.32 and then for a couple of weeks thereafter to cover that 00:25:39.35\00:25:43.13 immune system. Excellent! 00:25:43.16\00:25:45.35 Well, in our last couple of minutes, 00:25:45.38\00:25:48.81 we've talked about diabetes type 1; 00:25:48.84\00:25:50.62 we've talked about some pretty hopeful things. 00:25:50.65\00:25:54.13 We've talked about some things that maybe would... 00:25:54.16\00:25:57.44 I want to come back to the beginning again... 00:25:57.47\00:25:59.61 Is there anyway to prevent this type 1 diabetes? 00:25:59.64\00:26:03.63 OH MY! It's an autoimmune disease. 00:26:03.66\00:26:07.63 The best thing we can do for ourselves is to 00:26:07.66\00:26:10.11 stay healthy! 00:26:10.14\00:26:11.56 I think I mentioned already that breastfeeding is 00:26:11.59\00:26:14.33 probably one of the best ways to keep the immune 00:26:14.36\00:26:16.35 system strong and I would say at least for the 00:26:16.38\00:26:19.47 first year of life. 00:26:19.50\00:26:21.49 And then to eat a diet HIGH in the phytochemicals, 00:26:21.52\00:26:27.17 and other things that strengthen the immune system. 00:26:27.20\00:26:30.80 A plant-based diet is, in general, best for that. 00:26:30.83\00:26:33.84 And that gives a person the best chance to avoid it. 00:26:33.87\00:26:36.70 Some people - it's going to happen to... they can't avoid it 00:26:36.73\00:26:40.42 We've been talking with Dr. George Guthrie 00:26:40.45\00:26:42.85 We've been talking about diabetes, 00:26:42.88\00:26:44.64 and we've talked about - not just ALL diabetes, 00:26:44.67\00:26:47.32 but type 1 diabetes. 00:26:47.35\00:26:48.72 We've found that there is hope out there. 00:26:48.75\00:26:51.89 There are some methods right now where there can be 00:26:51.92\00:26:54.75 transplanted beta cells, but there is even hope now 00:26:54.78\00:26:57.79 to be able to diminish the possibility of those being 00:26:57.82\00:27:02.73 rejected. 00:27:02.76\00:27:04.13 In our last couple of seconds, 00:27:04.16\00:27:05.53 we have just a couple of seconds here... 00:27:05.56\00:27:06.93 What spiritual lessons can we 00:27:06.96\00:27:08.54 learn from this whole discussion today? 00:27:08.57\00:27:10.50 Is God FOR us or AGAINST US, doctor? 00:27:10.53\00:27:12.81 God is gracious and I'm glad He has given us minds 00:27:12.84\00:27:17.13 to LEARN and to make CHOICES to help overcome 00:27:17.16\00:27:21.23 the troubles that are around us. 00:27:21.26\00:27:23.68 I see God's wisdom here. 00:27:23.71\00:27:25.40 We've been talking with Dr. George Guthrie 00:27:25.43\00:27:27.15 We've been talking about disease. 00:27:27.18\00:27:28.79 We've been talking about diabetes type 1. 00:27:28.82\00:27:30.79 The GOOD NEWS is we KNOW what it is, 00:27:30.83\00:27:33.62 and the Lord has given us grace to understand that. 00:27:33.65\00:27:36.07 We're glad you've watched today, 00:27:36.10\00:27:37.47 and learned some, hopefully, 00:27:37.50\00:27:38.87 helpful things for you and your journey. 00:27:38.90\00:27:40.69 Maybe you're struggling with disease. 00:27:40.72\00:27:42.61 We hope that today's program has been a blessing for you. 00:27:42.64\00:27:47.11 If you do need more help, don't hesitate to 00:27:47.14\00:27:49.30 give us a call here at 3ABN. 00:27:49.33\00:27:50.79 We'll do whatever we can and we hope that 00:27:50.82\00:27:52.65 as a result of watching this program, 00:27:52.68\00:27:54.96 you'll have health that lasts for a lifetime. 00:27:54.99\00:27:57.80