Hello and welcome to Health for a Lifetime. 00:00:47.64\00:00:49.22 We're glad that you have joined us. 00:00:49.25\00:00:50.61 Today we're going to be talking about stress and relationships. 00:00:50.64\00:00:54.26 Actually, how relationships relates to lessoning our stress. 00:00:54.29\00:00:57.99 Joining us is Dr. Skip MacCarty. 00:00:58.02\00:01:00.40 I understand that you are a fellow of the American Academy 00:01:00.43\00:01:04.47 or International Academy. 00:01:04.50\00:01:06.18 American Institute of Stress. 00:01:06.22\00:01:08.37 You've done major presentations for that 00:01:08.40\00:01:11.12 organization. 00:01:11.16\00:01:12.29 You were the opening speaker for one of their international 00:01:12.32\00:01:15.29 congresses in the year 2000. 00:01:15.32\00:01:16.72 We're glad that you are with us today. 00:01:16.76\00:01:20.05 We're going to talk today about relationships and stress. 00:01:20.08\00:01:22.67 I think one of the ways that you organize this whole concept 00:01:22.71\00:01:25.27 of stress is by using what you call a "stress tank," 00:01:25.30\00:01:27.11 is that right? 00:01:27.14\00:01:28.11 Stress tank model came out of Australia, but I reconfigured 00:01:28.12\00:01:33.20 it based on my research. 00:01:33.24\00:01:34.51 What you have in the stress tank is... 00:01:34.55\00:01:36.41 you think of your life as a tank and you have stressors being 00:01:36.45\00:01:39.88 poured into your life we're subjected to stressors 00:01:39.91\00:01:41.93 every single day. 00:01:41.96\00:01:42.93 If it get's too much stress or actually even too little stress 00:01:42.94\00:01:46.22 it leads to what we call distress or overload which is 00:01:46.26\00:01:48.89 harmful and can lead to physical harm or illness. 00:01:48.92\00:01:52.10 60-90% of all visits to physicians are estimated to be 00:01:52.13\00:01:59.02 stress related, etc. 00:01:59.06\00:02:00.68 Fortunately there's a pressure relief valve on this stress tank 00:02:00.71\00:02:03.83 that can drain our stress levels to safe levels. 00:02:03.86\00:02:06.63 There's also ways to close that pressure relief valve. 00:02:06.67\00:02:10.58 But people think they are helping themselves with 00:02:10.61\00:02:12.27 alcohol, tobacco, etc. and really it actually closes 00:02:12.30\00:02:17.23 the pressure relief valve. 00:02:17.27\00:02:18.24 It allows long term stress to build to an unsafe level. 00:02:18.25\00:02:21.44 There's ways we can create a larger tank size to handle 00:02:21.48\00:02:24.79 any more stress at one time. 00:02:24.82\00:02:26.23 In my 12 hour seminar I actually unpack that entire model. 00:02:26.27\00:02:29.51 OK, but there are 7 keys in your seminar that actually help 00:02:29.55\00:02:32.76 with managing stress. 00:02:32.79\00:02:34.12 7 keys to managing stress, that's correct. 00:02:34.16\00:02:36.33 And one of those keys, a very important one, 00:02:36.37\00:02:38.48 is neighborly love, it's developing loyal friendships 00:02:38.51\00:02:41.51 and loving relationships. 00:02:41.55\00:02:43.25 Prayer, relaxation, exercise, viewpoint, eating healthy, and 00:02:43.28\00:02:46.36 we're going to talk about neighborly love this time. 00:02:46.39\00:02:48.62 Yes. 00:02:48.66\00:02:49.93 Where would that be hierarchically 00:02:49.97\00:02:52.42 in your overview of it? 00:02:52.45\00:02:54.42 I've developed a stress pyramid and the 00:02:54.45\00:02:58.36 stress pyramid shows that the things at the bottom are the 00:02:58.39\00:03:02.50 least scientifically established related to stress, 00:03:02.53\00:03:05.32 not that they are unimportant they are all very important. 00:03:05.35\00:03:07.79 Goes in importance to the top. 00:03:07.83\00:03:10.82 See where loving relationships is right up there. 00:03:10.86\00:03:14.46 It is right up there next to the top, loving relationships. 00:03:14.49\00:03:18.35 That's exactly, very, very important in terms of 00:03:18.39\00:03:21.17 stress resources. 00:03:21.20\00:03:22.71 Let's then focus in on that. 00:03:22.74\00:03:23.90 How important are loving relationships 00:03:23.94\00:03:26.68 in terms of managing stress? 00:03:26.71\00:03:28.01 Let me tell you what stress does to relationships 00:03:28.04\00:03:31.56 first of all. 00:03:31.60\00:03:32.64 I can illustrate that by a story. 00:03:32.67\00:03:34.46 We're all aware that stress can put strain on relationships. 00:03:34.49\00:03:39.18 Do you remember the story of Baby Jessica? 00:03:39.21\00:03:43.21 Sure, the little girl that was locked under ground. 00:03:43.24\00:03:45.63 That's another Jessica. 00:03:45.66\00:03:47.69 This is one that was born in Iowa to Dan and Cara Schmidt. 00:03:47.72\00:03:56.77 They weren't married at the time. 00:03:56.80\00:03:57.91 They subsequently got married but she was an unwed mother 00:03:57.94\00:04:02.71 and two days after the baby was born, 00:04:02.74\00:04:05.97 a little girl, she gave her up to adoption. 00:04:06.00\00:04:10.42 Jan and Roberta Debore of Michigan, got legal custody 00:04:10.45\00:04:18.46 of this little baby. 00:04:18.49\00:04:20.05 When they got legal custody actually after the legal time 00:04:25.02\00:04:29.31 had passed when Cara Schmidt could ask for the baby back. 00:04:29.34\00:04:32.22 So then she wanted her back. 00:04:32.25\00:04:34.21 That's right, but that getting ahead of the story. 00:04:34.24\00:04:38.96 So Jan and Roberta Debore got the child, got legal custody, 00:04:38.99\00:04:42.40 for the adoptive parents of this little baby 00:04:42.43\00:04:44.92 Then several weeks later after the statue of limitations 00:04:44.95\00:04:47.97 ran out when Cara Schmidt could ask for her back 00:04:48.00\00:04:50.65 she wanted the baby back. 00:04:50.68\00:04:52.19 So that legal process went all the way up to 00:04:52.22\00:04:55.32 Iowa Supreme Court and I believe the U.S. Supreme Court. 00:04:55.35\00:04:59.30 As a result of that 2.5 years of legal battle was taking place, 00:04:59.33\00:05:05.32 as a result the child went back to Cara Schmidt. 00:05:05.35\00:05:08.89 She subsequently had married the father. 00:05:08.92\00:05:11.01 Dan and Cara Schmidt got her back with a tremendous blow to 00:05:11.04\00:05:14.10 Jan and Roberta Debore that had raised that child for 2.5 years. 00:05:14.13\00:05:17.35 A new law was written in several states relative to that. 00:05:17.38\00:05:21.68 They gave longer periods of time for a mother to make a decision, 00:05:21.71\00:05:25.31 birth parents to make a decision to get their child back. 00:05:25.34\00:05:29.01 But what many people don't recognize is the subset, 00:05:29.05\00:05:31.60 sequel to that story. 00:05:31.63\00:05:33.35 I've got the newspaper article here that tells about after 00:05:33.38\00:05:39.11 17 years of marriage Jan and Roberta Debore 00:05:39.14\00:05:42.19 who lost this child in that custody battle, 00:05:42.23\00:05:45.21 after 2.5 years of raising her, they filed for a divorce. 00:05:45.24\00:05:51.49 What they said in their special release, "The strain of their 00:05:51.52\00:05:55.07 protracted custody battle with Jessica's birth parents, 00:05:55.11\00:05:57.51 Dan and Cara Schmidt, of Iowa, was more than their marriage 00:05:57.54\00:05:59.91 could withstand. " 00:05:59.95\00:06:00.92 Not only that, this article points out that during that 00:06:00.93\00:06:04.36 same week, Dan and Cara Schmidt, filed for a divorce, saying the 00:06:04.39\00:06:08.10 same thing the strain of the custody battle. 00:06:08.13\00:06:09.78 This is the birth parents that filed for a divorce. 00:06:09.81\00:06:12.23 Now we've known for some time that a family that looses 00:06:12.26\00:06:16.57 a little child in death has all kind of stress and usually 00:06:16.60\00:06:21.24 the relationship breaks up it is much more prone to break up, 00:06:21.28\00:06:26.72 to not make it, because of that stress. 00:06:26.76\00:06:28.74 Stress puts tremendous pressure on relationships. 00:06:28.78\00:06:31.98 When there's high stress in my life, 00:06:32.02\00:06:33.72 it puts pressure on my family if I don't learn how to handle it. 00:06:33.76\00:06:39.58 Stress management is so important, so vitally important. 00:06:39.61\00:06:43.54 In the context of relationships. 00:06:43.58\00:06:44.97 There's some research done by a professor at UCLA. 00:06:45.01\00:06:49.25 He is actually the dean of the School of Public Health 00:06:49.28\00:06:53.49 at UCLA, Lester Breslow. 00:06:53.52\00:06:55.96 He did research in Alameto county, California 00:06:56.00\00:07:00.53 He took 7,000 people and he was given a research grant 00:07:00.56\00:07:05.35 by the state Department of Health in CA. 00:07:05.38\00:07:10.28 The result of that study showed 00:07:18.83\00:07:20.43 that the healthiest life based on these habits: 00:07:20.47\00:07:25.62 That is the healthiest lifestyle 00:07:40.92\00:07:43.51 In this next graph it shows the stair step affect: 00:07:43.55\00:07:47.72 This is the rate that people die during that 9 year 00:07:47.75\00:07:51.89 period of time. 00:07:51.93\00:07:52.90 Those who practice 3 or less of those health habits 00:07:52.91\00:07:58.61 20% is the rate of death of those who practice only 3 00:07:58.65\00:08:04.10 or less of those health habits. 00:08:04.14\00:08:06.48 The more of those health habits you practice 00:08:06.51\00:08:08.94 the longer you live. 00:08:08.98\00:08:12.36 The death rate was 4 times higher for 00:08:12.39\00:08:21.56 people who practiced 3 or less of those health habits 00:08:21.60\00:08:28.99 as compared to those who practiced all 7. 00:08:29.02\00:08:31.27 Every one you added to your life your life expectancy increased. 00:08:31.30\00:08:35.32 Was one of those relationships? 00:08:35.36\00:08:37.79 What happened, it's very interesting because there was 00:08:37.83\00:08:40.89 a student at University of Berkley, by the name of 00:08:40.92\00:08:43.92 Lisa Burkman, she eventually became a professor at Harford. 00:08:43.95\00:08:46.87 She did a piggy-back study on this. 00:08:46.91\00:08:49.72 She was doing a study on relationships in health. 00:08:49.75\00:08:51.96 She studied with that same 7,000 people. 00:08:51.99\00:08:56.33 She studied how long people would live 00:08:56.36\00:08:58.27 relative to close relationships. 00:08:58.31\00:09:00.20 The results are shown on this graph: 00:09:00.23\00:09:02.92 It showed the ages that were 00:09:05.84\00:09:07.33 studied at the bottom of the 00:09:07.37\00:09:09.39 graph and then it shows in blue 00:09:09.43\00:09:11.07 was the people who had the 00:09:11.10\00:09:12.43 least social connections. 00:09:12.47\00:09:14.44 In the different age groups 00:09:14.47\00:09:16.40 by-in-large they die of a 3 times higher rate during 00:09:16.43\00:09:20.16 that 9 year period of study if they had fewer social 00:09:20.19\00:09:23.90 connections as opposed to those who had the 00:09:23.94\00:09:25.53 most social connections. 00:09:25.56\00:09:26.62 So these social connections are just vital. 00:09:26.66\00:09:28.30 Absolutely vital for stress management and for longevity, 00:09:28.34\00:09:31.67 absolutely vital. 00:09:31.71\00:09:32.68 Now, the next graph shows: 00:09:32.69\00:09:35.14 as a result of this research they also studied another 00:09:35.18\00:09:42.06 8 years beyond that 9 year period of time. 00:09:42.10\00:09:45.89 This is what most people, many people have heard about that 00:09:45.92\00:09:48.64 previous research, but they studied another 8 years so they 00:09:48.68\00:09:51.48 had 17 years total they were studying these 7,000 people. 00:09:51.51\00:09:54.67 The healthiest were those who had lived by all 7 of those 00:09:54.71\00:09:57.84 health habits and had close social ties. 00:09:57.87\00:10:02.24 The next graph is a stunning result: 00:10:02.27\00:10:06.61 That just goes to show that you can be about as healthy 00:10:21.32\00:10:23.93 as you want, but if you don't have any close friends 00:10:23.96\00:10:26.17 it's not going to work. 00:10:26.21\00:10:27.18 Exactly, and that kind of research has lead Dean Ornish, 00:10:27.22\00:10:30.21 who is the researcher who was dealing with just 00:10:30.24\00:10:34.21 diet and heart disease to make this comment: 00:10:34.24\00:10:38.17 That is a powerful statement. 00:10:51.40\00:10:52.58 Absolutely! 00:10:52.62\00:10:53.59 It just goes to show that the researchers today 00:10:53.60\00:10:58.31 are recognizing the vital importance of close 00:10:58.34\00:11:03.18 relationships, healthy relationships, 00:11:03.21\00:11:05.10 loving relationships. 00:11:05.14\00:11:06.64 It's not what you know, it's really who you know, who you're 00:11:06.68\00:11:11.36 in contact with. 00:11:11.40\00:11:12.54 It's not what you know, what you do, but who you know. 00:11:12.58\00:11:14.60 It doesn't mean that the health habits for a healthy life 00:11:14.63\00:11:18.07 are not important they are important but it shows 00:11:18.11\00:11:20.96 that even in a relative balance... many people think 00:11:20.99\00:11:23.36 that because they are exercising, because they're 00:11:23.40\00:11:25.70 not eating high cholesterol foods, they're doing the best 00:11:25.74\00:11:29.31 they can for their health. 00:11:29.35\00:11:30.32 If you only can choose one or the other, 00:11:30.33\00:11:32.77 you want good, healthy, close relationships. 00:11:32.80\00:11:35.23 But better yet do it all together. 00:11:35.26\00:11:37.17 I've met some people that want to be so healthy that they 00:11:37.21\00:11:39.37 will mess-up relationships because they say, "Look 00:11:39.41\00:11:42.74 you're not letting me be healthy. " 00:11:42.78\00:11:44.31 But that's really as, in fact, more important than 00:11:44.34\00:11:47.96 the behavior they want to accomplish. 00:11:48.00\00:11:50.11 And that in fact is a Biblical principle. 00:11:50.15\00:11:52.04 You have evidence in the Bible that people 00:11:52.08\00:11:53.94 are more important than food. 00:11:53.97\00:11:55.77 The kingdom of God which is relationships, 00:11:55.80\00:11:59.13 building relationships for eternity. 00:11:59.17\00:12:02.54 It is not a matter of food and drink. 00:12:02.58\00:12:05.88 Talking about that, I appreciate the balanced 00:12:05.92\00:12:09.91 approach and how those two fit together. 00:12:09.94\00:12:12.24 Both of them are important but look, the top of the pyramid 00:12:12.28\00:12:15.79 in a sense, as you said, is these loving relationships. 00:12:15.83\00:12:19.72 How many close social relationships do I need to have? 00:12:19.76\00:12:23.62 That's a very good question. 00:12:23.65\00:12:25.90 There's research done by Dr. John Powel on this subject. 00:12:25.93\00:12:30.09 He had 5 levels of communication which other researchers have 00:12:30.13\00:12:37.26 helped me realize our levels of relationship. 00:12:37.29\00:12:39.39 We start with a stranger level which we have many people 00:12:39.43\00:12:42.11 involved in our lives at the stranger level. 00:12:42.15\00:12:43.60 The Acquaintance level where it a little bit more of a 00:12:43.63\00:12:47.17 relationship established there. I could be walking down the 00:12:47.20\00:12:52.19 food isle at a food market and just nod at people walking 00:12:52.23\00:12:56.52 by and that's stranger, if I happen to mention to somebody 00:12:56.55\00:13:00.81 a stranger, this cereal was 25 cents lower last week 00:13:00.84\00:13:09.92 then it is an acquaintance level You can't say that to thousands 00:13:09.95\00:13:12.88 of people but you can to a few people, fewer at least than the 00:13:12.92\00:13:15.81 stranger level. 00:13:15.85\00:13:17.07 Then you get to the casual level and at every step you go up 00:13:17.11\00:13:20.32 there is fewer people you tend to talk to at this level, but I 00:13:20.35\00:13:23.53 can go through the line. The check out person is the 00:13:23.56\00:13:26.83 same person you go to each time, that's casual. 00:13:26.86\00:13:28.84 You may say to the check-out lady or man. 00:13:28.87\00:13:32.63 You may say something like I think there is a conspiracy 00:13:32.66\00:13:35.36 going on, I noticed the same prices were going up in other 00:13:35.39\00:13:38.05 stores like the gas stations. It's like a conspiracy, 00:13:38.08\00:13:40.83 it is now you are getting a little bit deeper in your 00:13:40.87\00:13:43.58 relationships there. 00:13:43.61\00:13:44.87 Then you get where you are sharing safe feelings 00:13:44.90\00:13:47.42 and emotions at that level. 00:13:47.45\00:13:48.68 Then you go up to the next level and you have close 00:13:48.71\00:13:52.15 relationships, here you are revealing more of yourself. 00:13:52.19\00:13:55.26 You hop in the car with the person that came to the store 00:13:55.29\00:13:58.28 with you and you are saying something like, one of the 00:13:58.32\00:14:01.24 things that concerns me that the prices are rising like they 00:14:01.27\00:14:04.19 are is because my pay check seems to be shrinking and I 00:14:04.22\00:14:06.73 can see the day coming when I actually will not have the 00:14:06.76\00:14:09.23 money to be able to get basic things. 00:14:09.27\00:14:10.80 You are sharing more intimate thing with them, but not closely 00:14:10.83\00:14:15.26 The interesting thing is that research shows at that level 00:14:15.29\00:14:19.48 many people don't have any more than 12-15 people at any one 00:14:19.51\00:14:22.99 time, even in their lifetime to share with at that level. 00:14:23.02\00:14:27.24 So there is top 12, top 15. That's right 12-15 people at 00:14:27.27\00:14:31.45 that level. 00:14:31.49\00:14:32.46 We have one more level. Okay intimate. 00:14:32.47\00:14:34.58 What would you categorize me and you are not going to hurt 00:14:34.61\00:14:38.07 my feelings, am I a stranger and acquaintance? 00:14:38.11\00:14:40.56 Well, with you Don, I think when we are together 00:14:40.59\00:14:43.01 would be right up there at the top level 00:14:43.04\00:14:46.22 I appreciate that, no pressure at all! 00:14:46.26\00:14:49.41 Then there is that top level, intimate where you may only 00:14:49.45\00:14:54.50 have one to three people in a life time that are sharing 00:14:54.53\00:14:57.93 with you at that intimate level. 00:14:57.97\00:14:59.76 Your wife, maybe a close brother, whatever. 00:14:59.79\00:15:02.86 That's right, and at that point, what you're doing is 00:15:02.89\00:15:05.12 when you're at that level, you're in essence... 00:15:05.16\00:15:09.42 You could say to them, "The reason I'm worried about 00:15:09.45\00:15:13.67 this is because I'm not doing very well in my job. " 00:15:13.71\00:15:17.86 "I'm afraid if I get let go of this job, my age, my skill level 00:15:17.89\00:15:23.20 or whatever, I may not get another job. " 00:15:23.24\00:15:25.63 So you are really sharing much more and being more vulnerable. 00:15:25.67\00:15:27.56 You spill all the beans, you can tell everything to them. 00:15:27.59\00:15:29.44 And that's the person you think would never use that 00:15:29.48\00:15:31.09 information to betray you, never. 00:15:31.12\00:15:33.82 And when they do, it's one of the greatest stressors of life. 00:15:33.85\00:15:36.55 That's why divorce is so devastating. 00:15:36.58\00:15:39.07 Because you've shared things with that individual you 00:15:39.10\00:15:42.09 thought would never get beyond that. 00:15:42.12\00:15:44.02 Often during a divorce, the most vulnerable things you've said, 00:15:44.06\00:15:47.58 the most embarrassing thing, sometimes get trumpeted. 00:15:47.61\00:15:51.14 This really impresses me that this is sort of the way if you 00:15:51.17\00:15:55.62 look at the Bible you look at Christ's life. 00:15:55.66\00:15:57.68 He certainly had those that were casual acquaintances 00:15:57.72\00:16:01.30 The 5,000, the multitudes, then closer and closer, then He had 00:16:01.34\00:16:05.13 the top 12, I guess you could say. 00:16:05.17\00:16:06.79 Then out of that there was... 00:16:06.83\00:16:08.61 He had those 12 and then Mary and Martha where 00:16:08.64\00:16:11.01 He liked to hang out at their place. 00:16:11.04\00:16:12.76 You maybe have 12-15 and then you have the top three. 00:16:12.79\00:16:17.73 When He wanted to share with only a few, He chose those 00:16:17.77\00:16:22.67 top three Peter, James, and John. 00:16:22.71\00:16:24.11 When He was so vulnerable in Gethsemane, 00:16:24.15\00:16:26.73 He took those top three with Him. 00:16:26.77\00:16:28.55 We're talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty 00:16:28.58\00:16:31.43 We're talking about stress and the importance 00:16:31.47\00:16:33.12 of social relationships. 00:16:33.15\00:16:34.42 We hope that you join us when we come back. 00:16:34.46\00:16:37.10 Have you found yourself wishing you could shed a few pounds? 00:16:41.12\00:16:44.24 Have you been on a diet for most of your life? 00:16:44.27\00:16:47.01 But not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 00:16:47.04\00:16:49.60 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 00:16:49.63\00:16:52.70 then we have a solution for you that works. 00:16:52.74\00:16:55.75 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Lundington 00:16:55.79\00:16:58.18 have written a marvelous booklet called, 00:16:58.21\00:17:00.57 Reversing Obesity Naturally. 00:17:00.60\00:17:03.00 And we'd like to send it to you free of charge. 00:17:03.03\00:17:05.67 Here's a medically sound approach successfully used 00:17:05.71\00:17:08.31 by thousands who are able to eat more and 00:17:08.35\00:17:10.62 loose weight permanently without feeling guilty or hungry 00:17:10.66\00:17:14.32 through lifestyle medicine. 00:17:14.36\00:17:15.79 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Lundington have been featured on 3ABN. 00:17:15.82\00:17:19.35 In this booklet they present a sensible approach to eating, 00:17:19.38\00:17:22.67 nutrition, and lifestyle changes that can help you prevent 00:17:22.70\00:17:25.95 heart disease, diabetes, and even cancer. 00:17:25.99\00:17:28.60 Call or write today for your free copy of 00:17:28.63\00:17:31.17 Reversing Obesity Naturally and you can be on your way 00:17:31.21\00:17:34.24 to healthier, happier, you! 00:17:34.27\00:17:36.07 It's absolutely free of charge. 00:17:36.10\00:17:37.86 So call or write today: 00:17:37.90\00:17:39.69 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. Skip MacCarty. 00:17:44.20\00:17:46.45 We're talking about stress and relationships 00:17:46.49\00:17:49.72 and what we can do to lesson our stress. 00:17:49.75\00:17:52.91 What about the Golden Rule, does that help us at all? 00:17:52.95\00:17:55.72 Don, the Golden Rule is the foundational principle 00:17:55.75\00:17:58.49 of all relationships. 00:17:58.52\00:17:59.81 If we all treated each other relative to the Golden Rule 00:17:59.84\00:18:02.32 we wouldn't have to worry about any other relationship 00:18:02.36\00:18:04.81 any other principles, they would be built in. 00:18:04.84\00:18:07.90 It's the most common element of the major world religions 00:18:07.94\00:18:13.37 And of course, Jesus said it sums up 00:18:13.41\00:18:16.10 the law and the prophet. 00:18:16.14\00:18:17.34 He said, "Whatever you do, do unto others as you would 00:18:17.38\00:18:18.80 have them do unto you this is the law and the prophets. " 00:18:18.83\00:18:20.94 sums up the law and the prophets so it's foundational. 00:18:20.97\00:18:24.45 He told the story of the Good Samaritan 00:18:24.49\00:18:27.75 which illustrates the Golden Rule. 00:18:27.79\00:18:30.12 Put yourself in the other person's place in relationships 00:18:30.16\00:18:35.52 and conflict situations all aspects of relationships 00:18:35.55\00:18:39.18 put yourself in the other person's place, treat them as 00:18:39.21\00:18:40.92 you would want to be treated and 00:18:40.95\00:18:43.13 we would have healthy relationships. 00:18:43.16\00:18:45.27 You would have no detriment to your own... stressful because 00:18:45.30\00:18:49.13 you'd have all kinds of friends who would love you for 00:18:49.16\00:18:52.08 the way you are, like Christ. 00:18:52.11\00:18:54.07 Yes but Jesus treated people as He would want to be treated 00:18:54.10\00:18:57.28 if they were in His place. 00:18:57.31\00:18:58.30 They didn't all love Him because sometimes putting yourself in 00:18:58.33\00:19:03.18 another person's place, you would want to at least 00:19:03.22\00:19:05.72 have the opportunity to know something that your doing 00:19:05.75\00:19:11.00 is damaging you. 00:19:11.04\00:19:12.07 Jesus did it in the most loving way He could, but yet 00:19:12.11\00:19:15.16 still He made enemies. 00:19:15.19\00:19:16.57 So it doesn't mean we're automatically have friends 00:19:16.61\00:19:19.35 but it's the best we can do, it's the key principle. 00:19:19.38\00:19:22.12 Right, Golden Rule, but then beware when all men 00:19:22.15\00:19:24.85 speak well of you as well. 00:19:24.89\00:19:26.16 In your seminar you talk a lot about parity principle. 00:19:26.19\00:19:29.42 Explain that to us. 00:19:29.46\00:19:31.81 It simply says: 00:19:31.85\00:19:34.17 We all want equality relationships. 00:19:38.71\00:19:40.93 If I talk to you in a demeaning way, if I acted superior to you, 00:19:40.96\00:19:44.43 Here's a graphic: 00:19:44.46\00:19:46.18 It just graphically shows two people in a parity relationship. 00:19:49.96\00:19:50.95 Just their size shows they're in a parity relationship. 00:19:50.98\00:19:54.20 That's what we're talking about. 00:19:54.24\00:19:56.23 Equal, Equal. 00:19:56.27\00:19:58.08 If you were demeaning toward me acting like you knew a lot more 00:19:58.11\00:20:00.38 about this subject, or I acted like I knew everything about it, 00:20:00.41\00:20:03.26 and you just didn't know much about it. 00:20:03.29\00:20:04.56 We couldn't relate at the same level as when we're working as 00:20:04.60\00:20:08.31 colleagues together. 00:20:08.34\00:20:09.77 So, what kind of things cause relationships to 00:20:09.80\00:20:12.35 get out of whack, or out of parity? 00:20:12.38\00:20:14.04 There is a series of things that disrupt parity: 00:20:14.07\00:20:18.77 Personal failure I may have come out of a week of 00:20:27.21\00:20:30.07 personal/professional failure. 00:20:30.10\00:20:31.30 Maybe my home is falling apart and therefore I don't feel 00:20:31.33\00:20:36.51 equal to you even though you don't even know what's happened. 00:20:36.54\00:20:38.84 Just because of what's been going on 00:20:38.88\00:20:40.49 that I don't know about. That's right! 00:20:40.53\00:20:41.97 So I could be criticizing you, poking at you, trying to get 00:20:42.00\00:20:44.45 you down to my level just so I find something wrong with you 00:20:44.48\00:20:47.12 So now I feel at least we are equal. 00:20:47.16\00:20:49.29 You're not having great professional success 00:20:49.33\00:20:51.47 great relationships, and I'm not so we're out of relationship. 00:20:51.50\00:20:54.96 So in the next slide it shows what happens: 00:20:54.99\00:20:58.94 Now, let's say Joe is Mary's husband, lets say. 00:20:58.98\00:21:02.86 He criticizes, he blames her, he is bragging about himself. 00:21:02.90\00:21:05.86 You see what happens graphically there. 00:21:05.89\00:21:08.92 She gets smaller, feels smaller at least. 00:21:08.96\00:21:11.75 She feels like she's in a demeaned position. 00:21:11.79\00:21:14.51 That's where we get the phrase "You're putting me down. " 00:21:14.55\00:21:16.28 Yes. 00:21:16.31\00:21:17.62 Now it could be on her. 00:21:17.66\00:21:19.25 She could have a low sense of self-esteem. 00:21:19.28\00:21:22.58 In that sense, Joe may do nothing to contribute to that 00:21:22.61\00:21:27.53 but Mary just feeling not any quality in that relationship 00:21:27.56\00:21:32.41 So what do people do to try to regain parity once they've lost 00:21:32.44\00:21:35.47 it or they feel like it's knocked out of whack? 00:21:35.51\00:21:38.21 Well, often Don, what people attempt to do is not helpful. 00:21:38.24\00:21:45.33 Here is a graph of common responses: 00:21:45.37\00:21:49.26 So this would be passive aggressiveness in some sense. 00:22:01.38\00:22:04.84 or even more than that. 00:22:04.87\00:22:06.13 These responses generally are ineffective because they tend 00:22:06.16\00:22:10.12 over shoot the mark. 00:22:10.16\00:22:11.49 You would not say to me, "Thanks, Skip, you just 00:22:11.81\00:22:13.52 established parity in our relationship, because I 00:22:13.55\00:22:15.23 counter-criticized you. " 00:22:15.26\00:22:16.40 Maybe I had such a terrible week and I can see you've had 00:22:16.44\00:22:20.48 a such a successful career right now and I'm not. 00:22:20.51\00:22:24.58 So I'm trying to find fault with what you're doing just to 00:22:24.62\00:22:28.67 simply establish parity and you don't even know what's going on. 00:22:28.71\00:22:32.16 Neither do I. I'm not conscience of it. 00:22:32.19\00:22:34.24 But it something I do just so there is some equality 00:22:34.27\00:22:37.56 in our relationship. 00:22:37.59\00:22:38.56 Even as we're talking now, people watching this are going 00:22:38.57\00:22:41.18 to recognize relationships they're into where that very 00:22:41.21\00:22:44.45 kind of dynamic is taking place. 00:22:44.83\00:22:46.32 They just weren't conscience of it before. 00:22:46.35\00:22:48.37 Can it happen in nations and big systems too? 00:22:48.40\00:22:50.83 I kind of sense that as I'm listening. 00:22:50.86\00:22:52.64 Exactly. 00:22:52.67\00:22:53.73 So it's really important then to get this back in balance. 00:22:53.76\00:22:58.99 Yes. 00:22:59.02\00:22:59.99 A couple of the next slides will show examples: 00:23:00.00\00:23:03.00 Here is Mary now, she is responding to Joe's criticism 00:23:03.03\00:23:08.17 with defensiveness. She criticizes him, or she brags 00:23:08.20\00:23:13.30 about herself. 00:23:13.33\00:23:14.38 All Mary is trying to do in essence is re-establish parity. 00:23:14.41\00:23:18.48 But what happens is Joe doesn't say, "thank you, Mary" 00:23:18.51\00:23:22.50 to re-establish parity. 00:23:22.53\00:23:24.04 In fact he is feeling: 00:23:24.07\00:23:25.73 So what happens is the relationship 00:23:27.63\00:23:31.60 just spirals downhill. 00:23:31.64\00:23:32.96 Back and forth, back and forth. 00:23:33.00\00:23:34.01 This increases your stress. Exactly, Exactly! 00:23:34.05\00:23:36.94 So how do you bring an end to this cycle, 00:23:36.97\00:23:39.83 How do you maintain parity? 00:23:39.86\00:23:41.18 First of all it's beginning to recognize that the downhill 00:23:41.21\00:23:45.49 spiral... they must understand the true basis 00:23:45.52\00:23:49.11 of their self-esteem: 00:23:49.14\00:23:50.37 If you're criticizing me, that doesn't knock us out of 00:23:55.06\00:24:00.18 parity and reality. 00:24:00.21\00:24:01.47 The fact that I've had a terrible week doesn't knock 00:24:01.50\00:24:02.85 us out of parity and reality. 00:24:02.88\00:24:04.39 Because the true basis of our self-esteem 00:24:04.42\00:24:06.81 was established by God Himself. 00:24:06.84\00:24:09.76 You're God's child, I'm God's child. 00:24:09.79\00:24:12.74 God loves you and God loves me. 00:24:12.77\00:24:16.38 That's the true basis of our self-esteem. 00:24:16.41\00:24:21.08 That wonderful scripture, "God so loved the world that He 00:24:21.11\00:24:25.00 gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth 00:24:25.03\00:24:28.96 in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 00:24:28.99\00:24:30.64 So like that little song, "Red and yellow, black and white 00:24:30.67\00:24:33.48 all are precious in His sight. 00:24:33.51\00:24:34.84 That's the key right there. 00:24:34.87\00:24:36.09 That transcends our personal relationships and gives us some 00:24:36.12\00:24:39.95 sense of esteem outside of what you do or what I do to you. 00:24:39.98\00:24:43.35 Because then you're criticizing me, but immediately 00:24:43.38\00:24:47.78 in my head I go to my relationship with God, 00:24:47.81\00:24:50.46 I re-establish that sense of value before God. 00:24:50.49\00:24:53.09 So I'm not knocked out of parity in relationship, 00:24:53.12\00:24:56.10 but it just makes all the difference in the world 00:24:56.13\00:24:58.33 when that's internalized. 00:24:58.36\00:25:00.08 Such a helpful concept. 00:25:00.11\00:25:01.75 What can I do to make sure I do not get knocked out of parity? 00:25:01.78\00:25:05.89 Well, these are responses to help re-establish parity 00:25:05.92\00:25:10.79 once it's been... to foster parity: 00:25:10.82\00:25:14.05 You don't have to react, you actually keep this in mind 00:25:59.41\00:26:03.03 and bring balance. 00:26:03.06\00:26:04.03 Look at these next couple slides they will show: 00:26:04.04\00:26:05.72 Here's Joe again criticizing, blaming, bragging 00:26:05.75\00:26:08.45 but notice Mary isn't being knocked down again 00:26:08.48\00:26:10.84 because something else is going on in her head. 00:26:10.87\00:26:12.31 And we get into her head and see what's going on in her head. 00:26:12.34\00:26:15.29 She's saying to herself, right there in the middle of that, 00:26:15.32\00:26:18.28 "God loves me. " "God loves Joe. " 00:26:18.31\00:26:21.29 It doesn't matter what he said, God loves me 00:26:21.32\00:26:23.89 This issue matters: 00:26:23.92\00:26:26.33 I tell you, Don, this is so powerful. 00:26:32.03\00:26:35.48 I have been right in the middle of difficult conversations 00:26:35.51\00:26:38.85 and immediately I recognize what's happening. 00:26:38.88\00:26:41.20 And I'm responding to try to re-establish parity 00:26:41.23\00:26:44.19 and I kick into this mode again and awesome things happen. 00:26:44.23\00:26:47.08 Are there some relationships that just by their very nature 00:26:47.11\00:26:49.93 are out of parity and you have to be careful about? 00:26:49.96\00:26:52.38 Excellent question, and there are, aren't there? 00:26:52.42\00:26:54.77 Parent/child relationships for instance is automatically 00:26:54.81\00:26:58.38 out of parity because you have the big person/little person 00:26:58.41\00:27:06.59 or employer/employee relationships. 00:27:09.06\00:27:12.44 What a parent has to do is to get down on the child's level 00:27:12.48\00:27:15.50 often times that's just bending down to a child's level 00:27:15.53\00:27:18.52 even physically bending down. 00:27:18.55\00:27:19.78 An employer has to go out of their way to compliment an 00:27:19.82\00:27:22.64 employee for some job they've done well. 00:27:22.67\00:27:24.54 By that they are doing the best they can to foster parity 00:27:24.58\00:27:27.61 in a relationship. 00:27:27.65\00:27:28.62 It doesn't mean you abdicate your responsibilities 00:27:28.63\00:27:30.10 as a parent or employer, but it means being aware of this sets 00:27:30.14\00:27:33.32 you free to try to make sure that you're not contributing 00:27:33.36\00:27:37.82 to even more disparity. 00:27:37.86\00:27:39.31 This has been very helpful. 00:27:39.35\00:27:40.79 I think it could help people individually, their families, 00:27:40.83\00:27:44.47 and their community even world leaders if they took 00:27:44.51\00:27:47.68 this seriously this could certainly be 00:27:47.71\00:27:50.78 something very important. 00:27:50.82\00:27:51.79 We're glad you've been watching and we hope you have parity in 00:27:51.80\00:27:54.29 your relationships, that you do have many social relationships 00:27:54.33\00:27:56.95 and you have health that lasts for a lifetime. 00:27:56.99\00:28:00.87