Hello, and welcome to
Health For a Lifetime.
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I am your host Don
Mackintosh, we're glad you are
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with us today and we are
glad that Dr. Alan Handysides is
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with us today.
Welcome! Thank you very much!
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I think I said that right,
Dr. Alan Handysides, right?
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That's right! And your specialty
through the years has been
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dealing with mothers, and
with kids, and maternal health,
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Obstetrics, Gynecology, and
Pediatrics, isn't that right?
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That's right! But
now you are more involved
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in a global health
ministry, you are working in
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many countries around the world.
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I'm very privileged actually
to be General Conference
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Health Ministries Director
for the Seventh Day Adventist
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Church Worldwide, yes.
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Alright, now
one of the concerns,
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many times on Health For a
Lifetime we have dealt with
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I guess we would call
them the diseases of affluence,
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Western society, that
type of thing where we have
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stores, we have things around
us that we can easily access.
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But one of the huge things
we want to talk about today is
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AIDS, and what
exactly does AIDS stand for,
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what does it mean,
and when did it start?
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Well, AIDS stands for Acquired
Immuno Deficiency Syndrome.
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Which means is simple language
that you don't have the ability
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to fight infections.
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You've lost your defense system
and it's caused by a virus
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called the Human Immuno
Virus, HIV, of which there are
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two types, One and Type 2.
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Type 1 is far more
prevalent than Type 2.
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Now how long has
this been around?
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When I was growing up I
didn't hear much about this,
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how long have we
known about this?
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Well, neither did
I hear much about it,
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but of course I'm older
than you so it was actually on
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June 5, 1981 that it
was first reported in the
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Center of
Disease Control Bulletin
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which they put out every week.
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Five cases of Pneumocystis
Carinii infections which are
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very rare pneumonia, or
was a very rare pneumonia
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in five young
homosexual young men.
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The writer had also identified
that they had lost their
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usual immunity, so this
was not something that they
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were born with. So
when was this again?
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In 1981, so this is the 20th
anniversary of the recognition
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of AIDS. Ok, so
about 20 years ago
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this happened. Twenty years ago.
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Where was this, was
this in this country?
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In San Francisco! Okay!
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In this country, North America.
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So AIDS was not
around before 1981?
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Oh, it was around,
but it was not recognized.
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Okay! In fact it
was very interesting
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it took about 3 or
4 years before they
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identified the virus. I
remember them talking about
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whether it was
caused by Cytomegalovirus or
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all kinds of strange and
wonderful theories as to how it
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was coming about, but
then finally the organism was
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identified and then
antibody tests were developed
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against that virus
that showed that there
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was a response against it.
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Then by looking at
stored serum samples
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they were able to
identify as far back as 1959.
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So stored blood
samples you mean by that.
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Stored blood samples
from mysterious diseases,
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deaths from unknown causes.
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All the way back to 1959.
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Amazing, so where exactly
did this get introduced to the
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human system? Well
the geneticists who have
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looked at this now using
DNA techniques and so forth.
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The geneticists have said
that it probably was somewhere
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in the fifty to seventy year
spectrum, so maybe going back
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to the 1920's, 1930's when
it first came among humans.
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But the thought that this
is a mutation of a virus from
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Chimpanzees that
gained access to the humans.
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So some people ate some
Chimpanzees or what have they,
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got bitten by a Chimpanzee?
Maybe bitten by a Chimpanzee
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or... and the virus
that particular virus
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happened to have this
ability to exist in humans.
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What is here in the
United States, what are we
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dealing with here in
the United States than maybe
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around the world, but what's
the new case infection rate here
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in the United States?
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Well, actually it
that's falling which is good,
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the new cases are
falling in the United States.
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The virus is the same, the
mode of transmission varies
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from place to
place. About 47% of AIDS or
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new HIV cases in North America
are homosexually transmitted,
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that's men having sex with men.
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Only 47%, that's a large
percentage but some people
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think 100% from
that. Not at all.
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Probably 28%, 29% is transmitted
by the sharing of needles among
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by the drug culture. Okay.
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Probably 12% is transmitted
by heterosexual activity,
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and the remainder
is from blood products,
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contaminated instruments,
needles, and so forth.
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That's different from
Africa, in Africa it's about
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95% heterosexual transmission.
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Ninety five
percent heterosexual,
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in other words
a man and a woman.
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Okay, many times people will
attach a lifestyle or a certain
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stigma because... They
say well if they have AIDS,
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they must be doing this or that,
but what you are telling me
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is not necessarily.
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No, not necessarily at all. In
fact heterosexual transmission
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in Africa...you know
one could acquire it from a
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blood transfusion and transmit
it in a marital situation
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without understanding that
it is even being there without
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any marital infidelity,
without any of these usual
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"stigma" that we
try to place on people.
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Then what about
children that, you know...
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Vertical transmission you
know, a mother who has HIV
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when she comes
to deliver her baby
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she had about untreated 24%,
25% chance of transmitting that
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to her baby. With new
medications that can be reduced
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to probably less than
7%. But of course there is
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medication not
available in Africa.
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Talk to me a little
bit more about Africa,
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I mean I want to get a sense
of the global perspective here
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and you know we have to keep
in mind that there are folks
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in all of these countries that
may be watching this program.
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So when you visit those
countries, what are you seeing
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there, what is your impression
of the situation there?
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Well, I'll tell you, it
is not a pretty picture.
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The continent of Africa
is probably the place that
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you see the most devastation.
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We are losing 5,500
people A DAY. -A DAY!
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Just imagine that
5,500... funerals EVERY DAY,
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Day in! Week in, week
out, month in, month out,
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that's been going
on... All from AIDS!
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All from AIDS! So when
we have a plane go down,
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we have a big accident here
say in the western countries
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sometimes back at Gettysburg,
talking about the history of
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America, you lost about 7,000
folks, you have a huge monument
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and all kinds of things,
people wrote songs about it.
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But every day... -Every
day. You loose that many people.
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You know I was at
the hospital, one of our
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Adventist Mission Hospitals
in the country of Zambia
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to the east side of Chipata
and there they have 150 beds
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I asked them how many of
the patients here have HIV or
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are HIV positive or have
AIDS? Seventy five percent!
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That day they tested
every blood sample that came
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to the lab and it was
100%. - One hundred percent!
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One hundred percent
positive! Just devastating!
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It's
unbelievable. Is there any hope?
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Are they
developing any vaccines,
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are they developing any
medications to give some hope?
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Well there is hope and there is
a tremendous amount of resources
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have been
deployed to look at this,
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and I would think
of single conditions.
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Probably there isn't a
single condition that's ever had
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as much tension
as has HIV and AIDS.
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It's not been available
yet that there is a cure
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vaccines just recently
have been used on monkeys
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and they have had some positive
reports, some good reports.
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Actually just in the New
England Journal of Medicine
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they reported that infection
with hepatitis virus may
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confer a degree of
protection against HIV,
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so there is interesting new
work that is coming together.
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So you get hepatitis
and have some protection.
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If it is the right type
of hepatitis, so that sort of
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work is coming to light.
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The biggest step
forward I would say has been in
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highly active anti-retroviral
therapy which has been able
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to reduce the number of
virus particles in the blood
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and prolong life, probably
up to four or five years
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for the HIV infected person.
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Let me unpack that a little
bit for maybe some folks that
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are not so medical. We
talked about two different
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things you mentioned, one
was a vaccine, what is a vaccine
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in just layman's terms,
and then the next big words
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you used on... for us?
Ok, well if we were to look at
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a vaccine, a vaccine would be...
you say this virus causes the
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body to develop a response
against it because it's wearing
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a blue coat. So let's take
the blue coat and inject the
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blue coat into the individual
and they will start making
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protection against the blue
coat which it turn will kill
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the virus, so
that's the vaccine. Okay.
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Infection with another
virus, obviously that virus is
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somehow competing with the HIV
and in that way is slowing down
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the HIV, so you've got a war-
fare going on, a competition
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between two viruses and so
that is how the one virus is
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working against the other.
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So then the
medication type thing slows down
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the process from another angle.
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Yes, you see the HIV
is what we call and RNA,
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that's Ribonucleic
Acid Virus as opposed to a
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Deoxyribonucleic.
That Ribonucleic Acid virus
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is a retrovirus in that it
has to be converted back to DNA.
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RNA and DNA are kind of mirror
images of each other and so
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the reflection into the
DNA is made by an enzyme
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reverse transcriptase.
It goes into the nucleus
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the nucleus then starts forming
more RNA, it produces rolls
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if you want to think of
large toilet rolls of RNA.
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Then in order for the
virus particles to be broken
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off the roll, like we
take a slice of toilet paper,
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there has to be an
enzyme called a Protease enzyme
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so if two enzymes are
key, reverse transcriptase
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- that gets it back into DNA,
and the Protease is chopping
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it off and the biochemist
and the researchers in these
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big companies have
produced inhibitors,
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Reverse Transcriptase
Inhibitors and Protease
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Inhibitors and they
have slowed the process down.
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- Ok! But they
haven't been able to stop it.
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So what they have done,
HIV just very simply comes
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into the body from whatever
way and then tries to get
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inside your cell, is
that what you are saying?
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- Yeah, what it does...
Then it slows that process down
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then it slows the process
coming out of the cell and being
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spread out like seeds
if you will. -That's right.
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So the virus comes along
and attaches to specific cells
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CD4 cells, it then pops inside
the cell, its reverted back
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to the DNA, switches the
cell machinery, the DNA starts
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pouring that, and as it comes
out it got this chop, chop, chop
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chop, a chop, a chop,
little pieces coming out then it
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goes down the sides. Do
you know one virus particle
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in four hours can replicate
itself two thousand times,
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do the arithmetic on that.
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So that's exponential after.
Oh, 36 hours you've got billions
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upon billions of
these virus particles
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in an individual's body.
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But at this point what we are
saying is the only thing we have
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mathematically is to slow
this process down and to slow
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this process of coming
out and getting chopped up...
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There's no real ultimate
treatment but we've been
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able to slow it
down, in a sense.
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There is a treatment
you know. PREVENTION!
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Right, but once you have
it. Okay, let me talk about this
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a little bit because lots
of people are very frightened
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when they hear that someone
has AIDS or is HIV positive.
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How is it transmitted
practically and what should we
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be watching for just
before we go to our break?
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The virus HIV is a very
fragile virus, very fragile.
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In fact bacteria or germs
or anything that is sexually
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transmitted are usually fragile,
you put them on a dry surface
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they die, they're done for.
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They require the intimacy,
the moisture, the warmth,
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of the sexual encounter to
transmit it, because they only
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live in human body fluids. OK!
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So the transfer is of human
body fluids, if we take whole
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human body fluids as a
blood transfusion, or serum,
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or plasma, where
that... What about saliva?
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It's possible through saliva
but it hasn't been documented,
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perhaps one case has
been there where they think
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it might be from saliva.
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Then you need a broken surface
so that it can get across
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and that is why abhorrent
sexual practices sometimes
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help it to come across. So
like a bleeding or something,
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bleeding, or cuts.
That's where healthcare workers
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who have cuts should wear
gloves so that there is no
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broken hangnails or it
can get in through the skin
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and that is how
it is transmitted.
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As I said earlier it's 95%
it's heterosexual transmission
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intercourse in Africa, here
of course it depends because
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of the relative proportions
being different, but it is still
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transmitted sexually by
in large for the most part.
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We're talking with Dr. Alan
Handysides, he is the actually
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Medical Director, Health
and Temperance Director for the
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Seventh-day Adventist
Church, we're talking about AIDS
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and when we come back we
are going to look at some
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Welcome back, we have been
talking with Dr. Alan Handysides
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from the General Conference
of Seventh-day Adventists.
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We've been talking about
AIDS, A World Wide Epidemic
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we learned about first as
to what it was here in America
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but you have shared some
hope with us that the process of
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AIDS can be slowed down but
the bad news is once you have it
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there is actually really
no known cure and as we were
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talking last you said
look there are certain ways
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that it is transmitted that
would lend us to really want
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to listen when there is
a message that says prevent
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this rather than catch it.
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We have a couple of pictures
that come to us courtesy of the
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Adventist Development
Relief Agency, ADRA, and
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we want to look at those
right now and maybe we can
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talk about them a bit. The
first one here is a picture of
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actually a person that has AIDS,
what do we see in that picture
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They are a little emaciated,
they look like they have
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thinned down, is this
the typical look for someone
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that this particular situation?
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Yes, I think that this is
a rather good illustration
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actually, it is a woman who
is probably about 32 years old,
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she is in the prime of life
she has children, her husband
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will have died, she will be
HIV positive, we can surmise
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she caught it from her husband
or she may have given it to him,
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that's really
irrelevant to the discussion.
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She probably is going to
die and leave her children as
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orphans. Will they have HIV?
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Depending on when she
acquired it some of them may,
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she may have lost some
children from HIV because 25%
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of the babies born
to HIV infected mothers,
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I'm using that as a ball
park figure will be positive for
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HIV themselves. Now
does that come as a result
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of them having
breast milk from the mother?
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Well about 22% of them will
acquire it in the birth process,
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that's why medication is
really required to be given to
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pregnant women during
pregnancy and during childbirth.
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If we could do this, we could
lower this 22% down to about
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seven or eight percent.
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Now when you say medication
that's the same kind of
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medication they use to treat it.
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That is the same sort of
medications that they use
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to treat it although not
for as long a period of time
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usually not in such combinations
as heart therapy, highly active
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therapy and there are very
reasonable medications available
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to do that, so that is something
that needs to be looked at
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very closely. Then the
breast feeding is the other
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tragedy. Years ago a woman
who did not breast feed her baby
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had a one in five chance
that her child would survive
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the first two years of life.
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Now if you take that
backdrop and then you say what
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percentage of these mothers
are going to have their babies
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infected and it is going to
be somewhat of the magnitude
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of maybe 25 again, 30% of
them will be infected if they
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continue breast
feeding. It's an awful dilemma.
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Because they don't really
have any other way probably
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in these
countries to feed the child.
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To feed the children, so
here we're... this is one of the
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real tragedies, how do we feed
the children, how do we avoid
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them getting AIDS, it's just
a dreadful, dreadful scenario.
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We want to look at
another picture here as well
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what exactly is it
that we are looking at here?
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We're looking at a field
hospital set-up, a health worker
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is trying to take care
of the dead and the dying.
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Comfort the
dying. Comfort the dying.
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Which is always a
terminal illness ultimately.
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Once they get to late
stages it is terminal.
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It's absolutely devastating
to watch these people die,
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I remember seeing a 22 year
old with cryptococcal meningitis
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and I actually went
to give spiritual care,
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I wanted to pray with
the person and I found that
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she was beyond prayer
because she was just so mentally
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confused and
disabled, unable to do that,
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which to me is a very important
lesson, we need to show our
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compassion and caring
while these people are
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still able to receive it.
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Because once again what you
were saying if I understand it
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correctly is that ok many
times we will stigmatize people
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because we think that,
well if they have that disease
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they must have been involved
in this or that behavior
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but especially when we are
talking about these countries.
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What was it 95% contracted this
through normal sexual activity
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that was not abhorrent
or something like that,
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so they really can't be
held accountable to that
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particular
standard or that particular
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way of looking at things.
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Yes. I think we have to be
like Jesus, when that woman
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came to Jesus, they said
this woman caught in adultery
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you know, all the
finger pointing clerics,
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and Jesus said... there was
no question about the guilt or
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otherwise, but
there was the compassion.
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Woman, where are thine accusers,
neither do I condemn thee
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go and sin no more. I
think we have to relate
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to people where they are,
the past is not our business.
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We're people of the future,
of hope, and we need to take it
00:22:53.53\00:22:58.02
wherever we find people
and to work with them and
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bring them the promise of
salvation from that point on.
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Speaking of that, I mean we
are thankful today for these
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pictures from ADRA which
is part of churches response
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of this but what is the church,
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
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doing to address
this global concern?
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Well if we were to talk
of ADRA, ADRA of course is
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an arm of the church and
has been involved in many many
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projects in Africa and South
East Asia, in Eastern Europe,
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to the tune of millions
of dollars worth of projects.
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But this is sometimes not
recognized as being the church
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and as a church we have recently
recognized there is a great need
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for us to become cohesive
in our approach and I'm glad
00:23:41.53\00:23:46.91
to say that the church
is starting to rally itself
00:23:46.94\00:23:52.07
around this particular
problem and identify it.
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In fact there are three issues
that the church identifies,
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or three focal points
that the church has identified.
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The first is we believe that
we really need to work with our
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pastors and congregations
to educate, educate, educate,
00:24:07.59\00:24:11.88
so that we understand
the nature of this disease.
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Secondly we want to
focus on our education system.
00:24:15.92\00:24:21.56
We have a large network through
out the world where we have
00:24:21.59\00:24:25.88
students in our own schools,
and we know from studies
00:24:25.91\00:24:30.03
that are being carried out
that our students in our own
00:24:30.06\00:24:33.02
schools are at risk by
reason of their sexual behavior,
00:24:33.05\00:24:35.84
of their drug activities, we
know this, they are better than
00:24:35.87\00:24:39.25
in the non Christian schools
but they are not as good as
00:24:39.28\00:24:43.32
we would like to see.
We need to put a tremendous
00:24:43.35\00:24:45.91
focus through our teachers,
through our education systems
00:24:45.94\00:24:49.65
in our seminaries so our future
generation of pastors will be
00:24:49.68\00:24:53.17
well educated in this.
00:24:53.20\00:24:54.57
And the third thing that
we need to do is we need to
00:24:54.60\00:24:57.43
mount our network of hospitals,
clinics, and health providing
00:24:57.46\00:25:02.75
agencies, be they self
supporting, be they under the
00:25:02.78\00:25:05.95
auspices of the church.
We need to unite ourselves
00:25:05.98\00:25:09.17
with a common thrust
to educate, to care for,
00:25:09.20\00:25:13.55
and perhaps to select a few
definite projects that we can
00:25:13.58\00:25:19.43
implement and by selecting
them... because we can't...
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there is no way that the
church can address this problem
00:25:22.84\00:25:25.57
worldwide as
though we can do it.
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It's a multi-billion dollar...
It's a multi-billion dollars
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I mean... It was calculated that
the United Nations when they
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met just a couple of months...
I can't remember exactly
00:25:32.55\00:25:35.54
how long ago at the United
Nations though they had this big
00:25:35.57\00:25:38.86
meeting together. They
estimated that it would
00:25:38.89\00:25:41.37
cost about three to four billion
dollars per year to put teeth
00:25:41.40\00:25:46.63
into this. Now the United States
very generously said we will
00:25:46.66\00:25:50.33
give two hundred
million... Drop in the bucket.
00:25:50.36\00:25:53.15
but it's a drop in the
bucket compared to the problem.
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So people of faith,
people of good will everywhere
00:25:55.76\00:26:00.55
we need to put our
minds and our hearts together
00:26:00.58\00:26:03.72
to address this problem.
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You know you are a
Christian Physician and you are
00:26:05.84\00:26:09.45
a physician that helps
physicians marshal physicians
00:26:09.48\00:26:12.24
and all these different
things, you work as a part of a
00:26:12.27\00:26:16.14
global network to bring hope.
00:26:16.17\00:26:17.55
But you talked
about that 22 year old,
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you were at the bedside.
What type of hope, help, and
00:26:20.56\00:26:23.70
spiritual thing do you bring
to the bedside with someone
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or a family that is
already afflicted with this,
00:26:28.79\00:26:31.54
what can you tell us
in our last minute here?
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Christianity is a message
of hope because we have a
00:26:35.04\00:26:40.31
Savior who's paid the
price, it's all paid for,
00:26:40.34\00:26:43.94
and heaven is waiting
with arms outstretched to
00:26:43.97\00:26:49.56
receive repentant sinners.
00:26:49.60\00:26:51.09
It doesn't matter how bad
our sins or how lewd our actions
00:26:51.12\00:26:55.94
it doesn't matter what we have
done, Jesus has paid the price
00:26:55.97\00:27:00.61
and He is willing to receive
us and to take us home to Him.
00:27:00.64\00:27:04.92
If we could only catch a glimpse
of that love because I believe
00:27:04.95\00:27:11.67
that whatever we do, whether
we prophesy, whether we preach,
00:27:11.70\00:27:15.33
whether we make these
programs. Whatever we do
00:27:15.36\00:27:18.36
the underlying thing is love,
because love endures all things
00:27:18.39\00:27:23.01
and love never faileth, and
the love of God is poured out
00:27:23.04\00:27:28.32
to us His erring children.
00:27:28.35\00:27:30.53
That is my hope and trust in
the Risen Savior, Jesus Christ.
00:27:30.56\00:27:35.09
We've been talking
with Dr. Alan Handysides
00:27:35.12\00:27:37.39
he is the head
physician of The World Church
00:27:37.42\00:27:41.17
of Seventh-day Adventists.
We hope that you have
00:27:41.20\00:27:43.20
enjoyed this program on AIDS
and we hope that if you have
00:27:43.23\00:27:46.90
problems, know people that
are suffering from this problem,
00:27:46.93\00:27:49.85
that you will contact your
local church congregation and
00:27:49.88\00:27:53.30
that you will actually
be involved in bringing
00:27:53.33\00:27:57.68
hope and healing.
00:27:57.71\00:27:59.08