Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh,
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and today, I'm going to be
talking with Dr. David DeRose
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Welcome back doctor!
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Good to be back with you, Don
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Now you work at the
Lifestyle Center of America
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in preventive medicine.
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What exactly does that mean?
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Well, you know, most
people, Don, when they think of
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preventive medicine, they
think of preventing things
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from ever happening
in the first place...
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and that really is a
part of preventive medicine.
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That's what we call
primary prevention...
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preventing a disease process,
or condition from ever occurring
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But really, much of what we do
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at the Lifestyle Center of
America is secondary prevention
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and tertiary prevention.
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Wow, that sounds like
a very important work.
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Yeah, we usually don't
tell the public about that...
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but we tell them...
we're helping them with
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their disease processes.
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So people come to us with their
diabetes, or their heart disease
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...their high blood
pressure, their weight problems,
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their cholesterol
problems, their arthritis.
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They come with these
conditions and we intervene...
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We work with them on a
lifestyle-based program
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trying to deemphasize
the need for medications;
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trying to avoid
surgery, and use more natural
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lifestyle-based approaches.
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So "lifestyle,"
what exactly is that?
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Well lifestyle has to do
with the things that we choose
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to do on a day-to-day basis.
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It has to do
with how we sleep...
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how many hours we sleep.
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It has to do with how we eat.
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It has to do with
whether or not we exercise,
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and if we do,
what we choose to do.
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It has to do with
our social contacts...
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our spirituality.
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Let's talk about eating...
you know, I hear a lot about
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vegetarian diets, and there's
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a lot of benefits
we hear about that.
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Do you have to be
a total vegetarian to
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get the maximum benefits?
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Well, it's an
interesting question
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the way you ask it, Don.
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Let me tell it to
you this way, first.
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The more we move in the
direction of a plant-based diet,
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the more we get a
number of benefits;
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when it comes to heart disease,
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when it comes to
cholesterol reduction,
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cancer prevention...
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But you don't have to be a TOTAL
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vegetarian to get some benefit.
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In other words, someone who
starts decreasing their meat
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and eating more
fruits and vegetables,
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is going to benefit themselves
in terms of decreasing their
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risk of a host
of killer diseases.
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A recent study in Iowa,
looking at women's health...
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They found that women who
were eating more whole grains,
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for example, were decreasing
their risks... substantially
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of developing
diabetes in a short a time as
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5 years down the road.
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So using more whole
grains like whole wheat,
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and whole oats,
instead of, maybe, so much
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meat and fat, butter, cheese...
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These women are
benefiting their health.
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But the more we move in
that direction of eating more
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plant foods, the
more it seems, we benefit.
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Classic case in point
is with prostate cancer...
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in the famous
Adventist Health Study.
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They looked at men
and their eating habits
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in terms of things
like meat, things like milk,
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things like eggs,
things like cheese.
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They looked at each
of those categories,
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and the more of those
animal products they ate,
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the higher the risk of
death from prostate cancer.
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So it does really matter...
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and even small changes
can make a big difference.
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That's the message
I try to give people.
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They don't have to
be overwhelmed by the
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thought of being
a total vegetarian.
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Move in that
direction, and you're going
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to experience benefits.
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Should anyone
NOT be a vegetarian?
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Should anyone NOT
be a vegetarian...
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In other words, should everyone
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BE a vegetarian...
another way to say that.
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Well, Don, I like people
to know... when I work with
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them as my patients,
when I speak publically,
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when we're doing
this program together...
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I don't want people to feel
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like they've got
to be a vegetarian.
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That is not the
BIG message in health.
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The message that I
try to give is... Yes,
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the research is
pointing to the vegetarian diet
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as being the optimal
diet... The best diet.
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But if a person feels that
they can't embrace that diet
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for whatever reasons...
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If they feel socially; if they
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feel physically
there's problems with it...
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If they feel income-wise...
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Now, it's interesting,
Don, the income issue...
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Because most people
find that when they adopt a
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vegetarian diet,
they save a lot of money.
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But whatever the
barriers are, you don't have to
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look at this huge
MOUNTAIN and say...
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"I can't climb the mountain"
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"I can't be a total vegetarian"
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...Start moving in that
direction, add more fruits.
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Add more vegetables.
Add more whole grains.
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Add the beans and the nuts!
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All of these things
have been demonstrated
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to make a difference
as far as our health.
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Well let's say... I
really like my milk,
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I really like my eggs,
I really like my cheese,
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and I like a little
bit of my meat too...
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You know, let's say I just
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REALLY don't want to
give those things up.
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What do you say to
patients like that,
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that come to the
Lifestyle Center of America?
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Don... NOBODY likes to change.
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NONE OF US DO!
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We're comfortable
with the way we live.
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But the beauty of
lifestyle change is the way
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the Creator made us.
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God created us with
the ability to choose
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what we will enjoy,
and when we realize that
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and we realize that I
can develop new tastes,
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new enjoyments, I can
look at changing lifestyle
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as an adventure
rather than a burden.
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I gotta tell you about
a patient who came to the
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Lifestyle Center of
America... "Larry Martin"
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Now Larry is a
high-powered engineer.
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He's literally a
rocket scientist.
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From NASA... or
something like that.
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You got the idea.
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And Larry came to us from
Texas, and he had drawn some
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lines before he came.
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He was a man who liked his meat.
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He wasn't really open to change,
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but he was willing to come to
the Lifestyle Center of America
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where we serve a
total vegetarian diet,
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and some dramatic things happen.
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We've got a clip of
Larry sharing himself
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with what happened
during that time...
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Probably nothing more eloquent
than listening to Larry himself
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Let's join Larry...
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Ha, ha, ha, ha...
YES... that was probably
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the biggest
surprise I had here...
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other than all the staff and
the apparent care and interest
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that they had.
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I don't guess I'd
ever had a meal in my life
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that didn't have at
least one type of meat on it.
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And, on the literature you
sent me before I came down,
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you had this nice little quiet
phrase buried in all of that
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that said, "You'll
get to enjoy 3 wonderful
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vegetarian meals a day. "
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And I knew that
someone had lost their mind.
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It just... That
wasn't going to be!
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But then I convinced myself
that I could put up with it
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for a while... being an engineer
and all that type of thing,
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I knew I could make that happen.
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So I got in my
truck and started up here.
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But long about
"Ardmore," I'd run into a
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significant moment of weakness,
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and I pulled into a
grocery store there,
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and I bought
$93-worth of prepared meats
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and hid it in my luggage.
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All the jerky they
had... things like that,
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because I knew
darn good and well,
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I wasn't going to
last 19 days with no meat.
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Got up here and I
quickly hid it in the chest,
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and covered it up with
all my clothes and all that,
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but I knew exactly... I
had it laid out where I knew
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all the different things
I had, and I was visualizing
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how great they were
going to be to go with this
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bunch of vegetables you guys
were going to try to feed me.
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Surprisingly enough,
as you are well aware,
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I gave that entire
stock, totally unopened,
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to my doctor when I left
here because I never missed it.
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I loved the
food... It was fantastic!
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That's an amazing story!
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Hides the jerky... ha, ha, ha
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Yeah... He had all
this contraband meat
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in our vegetarian institution.
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So what happened?
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Did he bring it down
to a program and CONFESS?
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That's what he
did... at the graduation,
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He said, "Look it, I
never needed this stuff. "
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And he gave it all to the
physician who was caring for him
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The thing that it illustrates,
Don, is here was someone
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who was a
dyed-in-the-wool meat-eater...
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He could not
imagine life as a vegetarian
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but he made a critical decision.
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He was actually going to try a
vegetarian lifestyle for a while
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Now if you heard him talking,
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that wasn't
really why he came to us.
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He came to us because he
had other health problems
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but he was kind of
hedging his bets...
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He didn't burn all his
bridges, but he was willing to
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try a vegetarian diet though.
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And once the guy
starts eating it,
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he says, "this
is really palatable"
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This is a good diet!
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And I want to give a
message to people, Don...
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If they feel like
they've tried vegetarian foods,
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and it doesn't taste good,
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they've been
eating the wrong foods!
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They haven't been eating
foods from the right chef.
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Now, I'm
exaggerating a little bit...
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Because it does take a
while for our tastes to change.
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But the point is, if we make
a change and stick with it...
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Larry did it for 19 days...
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Let me ask you this question,
speaking about choice...
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It's all well and
good... we hear Larry,
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and it's quite amusing,
and yet he made a choice.
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Is there any scientific
data that goes along with our
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ability to make a choice?
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Have scientists found
out that we can, indeed,
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make choices
and actually change?
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Oh, I mean, this is
very clear when it comes to
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dietary
practices; study after study,
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I mean a classic
study has to do with salt.
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When people dramatically
decrease their salt consumption,
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the food, at
first, tastes bland!
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People could say,
"Well, am I going to live the
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rest of my life
enjoying this bland food?"
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Is it worth it for my blood
pressure, my fluid build up,
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or my congestive heart failure?"
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Whatever reason they
decreased the salt...
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At first, the
food tastes terrible!
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But when they stick with
it, they develop new enjoyment.
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They start to enjoy
the low sodium foods...
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And when you give
them that choice morsel
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that they had
saved from a year ago,
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that high salt menu item...
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it's distasteful...
They don't like it.
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The same has
been shown with fat.
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A classic pilot study...
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"The Women's
Intervention Nutrition Study"
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A study looking at decreasing
fat consumption in women
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that have had breast cancer.
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In the pilot research,
in the preliminary research
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to this big study, they
actually had women decrease
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their fat consumption.
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Those that decreased
their fat consumption
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NOT ONLY... NOT
ONLY did you see changes
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in different
measurements; their weight,
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their blood fats, and
things, but importantly
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from the
standpoint of our discussion,
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their tastes changed.
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They developed a
distaste for the high fat foods
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they used to enjoy.
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That was true for the
majority of those women.
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So, you know,
scientists studied this...
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Have they ever gotten nervous...
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that as they do this
study, people won't make the
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right choices, and they'll
lose all their research money?
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Have they ever done
a study that says...
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"Hey! Can these people
really change, because I'm
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researching this, and I really
want to know whether or not"
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This is a big issue; that's
why they do pilot studies.
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Can people change
and stick with it...
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And they find in
this kind of research
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that people, especially
when they get benefits from
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their lifestyle change,
they stick with these things.
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The tastes change,
PLUS they get the benefits
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of a new way of living.
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Well then, why is
it that every time I...
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well, not myself personally,
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but I hear people...
They come through our
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health program, and
they come through yours,
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and many times,
they'll say things like...
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"Well, I went to my
doctor, and my doctor says,
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"This is what you really should
do, but I don't think anybody
00:12:28.17\00:12:30.74
can make that change. "
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Why do doctors say that?
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Why do other people say that?
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Well I tell you, I
believe it's unfortunate, Don.
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And the reason it's unfortunate
is most doctors have not had
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the experience of making
dramatic lifestyle changes.
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Now, I have a unique
advantage because I was not
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raised a vegetarian; I
was raised on a pretty typical
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American lifestyle, and I
don't blame my parents for that.
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And some people think I
had better habits than others
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when they hear that I
ate a regular breakfast.
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But my regular breakfast,
when I arrived in high school,
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was going to the
vending machines,
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and having a
Coke and a candy bar.
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That was my routine,
and I would frequent the
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fast-food restaurants, but
I've changed my lifestyle...
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And you know what?
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The quality of
my life is better...
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I enjoy my new
way of eating better.
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I don't have a lot of stomach
problems that I used to have.
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And so, when I talk
with patients, Don, about
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lifestyle change, it's not just
based on the medical research,
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it's based on my own experience.
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And I've made
dramatic changes...
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Yeah, it's difficult to
make the changes at first,
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but over the long
haul, once you've done it,
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you wouldn't
have it any other way.
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Still have an
occasional candy bar?
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You know what?
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I have not had a candy bar in
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probably 20
years... Now I have had...
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20 YEARS? How do you do this?
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Because I've
developed new tastes.
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I don't want a
candy bar. Okay, great!
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I was in an
awkward situation once...
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where I felt socially
constrained to accept a...
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I'll tell you the story.
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I was in kind of an
informal singing group
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and we'd sing for shut-ins.
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It was kind of a
captive audience, you'd say...
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For those that can't
get out of their home...
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Right, right, and so we'd go
in, and we went to a new home
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one day; we were
singing for them.
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Apparently the people
that were caring for those who
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couldn't get out of the
house... were so touched
00:14:23.04\00:14:25.43
that they slipped off into
the kitchen, unbeknownst to us,
00:14:25.46\00:14:28.60
and all of the sudden,
they appear with a big tray
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with individual paper plates
with cookies and ice cream.
00:14:30.98\00:14:35.02
Now, at this point, I
was several years into
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a new lifestyle,
even though every NIGHT,
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some years before,
I'd have things like
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cookies and ice cream...
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Now, I didn't want
cookies and ice cream.
00:14:44.59\00:14:47.47
Now the fellow next to me...
00:14:47.50\00:14:48.72
I looked at him, and he
had a real good strategy.
00:14:48.75\00:14:50.96
He slipped the cookies
into his pocket... NICE!
00:14:50.97\00:14:54.56
But it doesn't
work for ice cream, Don.
00:14:54.59\00:14:58.44
That could be a problem.
00:14:58.47\00:14:59.81
So I said, I know
what I'm going to do,
00:14:59.84\00:15:01.24
I'm going to just kind
of play with the ice cream
00:15:01.27\00:15:03.34
a little bit; I really
didn't want to eat it...
00:15:03.37\00:15:04.76
and eat a little bit of
it, I didn't want to offend
00:15:04.79\00:15:08.18
the people... I
thought it was important
00:15:08.21\00:15:10.00
socially, to do this,
accept their hospitality.
00:15:10.03\00:15:13.39
And so as I'm eating a
little bit of this ice cream,
00:15:13.40\00:15:16.21
it tastes
sickeningly sweet, and fat;
00:15:16.24\00:15:20.94
and I'm thinking to myself...
I'm literally kind of feeling
00:15:20.97\00:15:23.65
sick... I mean I
didn't actually GET sick, but
00:15:23.68\00:15:26.57
I said, "I used to eat
this food ALL THE TIME!"
00:15:26.60\00:15:30.09
"I used to ENJOY it!"
00:15:30.12\00:15:31.63
"But now it is distasteful. "
00:15:31.66\00:15:33.43
And when you make a
clean break with things, Don,
00:15:33.46\00:15:35.94
that's what tends to happen.
00:15:35.97\00:15:37.41
So I don't miss the
ice cream, the cookies,
00:15:37.44\00:15:39.42
and I ENJOY the
lifestyle I'm following.
00:15:39.45\00:15:41.78
So the only
thing you might need is
00:15:41.81\00:15:42.92
ziplock bags inside
your suit coats in case
00:15:42.95\00:15:45.16
this happens again, right?
00:15:45.19\00:15:46.31
You know, I haven't gone that
far yet, but it's a good idea.
00:15:46.34\00:15:49.39
We're talking
with Dr. David DeRose
00:15:49.42\00:15:51.02
We're talking about the fact
that you CAN, in fact, change!
00:15:51.05\00:15:54.58
God has given you
the power of choice.
00:15:54.61\00:15:56.57
When we come back, we
want to talk more about
00:15:56.60\00:15:58.56
how we can cook so
that we can ENJOY the food.
00:15:58.59\00:16:01.74
Larry threw away his whole
stash, and maybe you can too!
00:16:01.77\00:16:04.91
Join us when we come back.
00:16:04.92\00:16:08.32
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Welcome back, we've been
talking with Dr. David DeRose
00:17:09.15\00:17:11.62
We've been talking about
the fact that you can change
00:17:11.65\00:17:14.54
and what you should change
to if you want to be healthy.
00:17:14.57\00:17:16.85
We've been talking
about being a vegetarian,
00:17:16.88\00:17:19.40
and you said, "Hey, not
everybody has to be one,
00:17:19.43\00:17:21.80
but to the extent
that you can be one,
00:17:21.83\00:17:23.96
you're going to be
healthy" Isn't that right?
00:17:23.99\00:17:25.56
It's true, and the
other point we're making is
00:17:25.59\00:17:28.21
many people think they
CAN'T make dramatic changes.
00:17:28.24\00:17:31.20
Like Larry...
because they've never tried.
00:17:31.23\00:17:33.28
The difference between Larry
is he was willing to go into
00:17:33.29\00:17:36.86
a situation where he
had to make some changes.
00:17:36.89\00:17:39.84
If you just joined
us, Larry came to the
00:17:39.87\00:17:43.08
Lifestyle Center of America,
and before he got there...
00:17:43.09\00:17:45.64
He said, "Look, I've got
to stock up on some meat,
00:17:45.65\00:17:48.38
and some different
things, because I...
00:17:48.41\00:17:50.30
there is this
silent phrase there that
00:17:50.33\00:17:52.84
we're going to
have vegetarian meals"
00:17:52.87\00:17:54.85
...And then later on, he
confessed this to everybody
00:17:54.88\00:17:57.90
and had given UP
the MEAT! Amazing!
00:17:57.93\00:17:59.36
He never ate the
meat the whole 19 days.
00:17:59.39\00:18:01.62
And so there is
the ability to change,
00:18:01.65\00:18:04.18
and people can make that choice.
00:18:04.19\00:18:05.40
But I really want to hear what
you have to say about this...
00:18:05.43\00:18:09.45
And I think you're going to
show us some footage of this
00:18:09.48\00:18:11.62
I think it's really
important when someone is making
00:18:11.65\00:18:14.79
that transition that the food
that they're now experiencing
00:18:14.82\00:18:17.73
is GOOD food! Do you
think that's important?
00:18:17.76\00:18:19.76
You know, you're right...
the food has got to taste good
00:18:19.79\00:18:21.83
but the OTHER thing is...
00:18:21.86\00:18:23.46
I mean, it was not just
enough for Larry, or anyone
00:18:23.49\00:18:26.04
who goes through our program
00:18:26.07\00:18:27.08
at the Lifestyle
Center of America...
00:18:27.09\00:18:28.83
to see that the
food tastes good...
00:18:28.84\00:18:31.32
We're in rural Oklahoma,
yes, we have a great program,
00:18:31.35\00:18:36.39
people come from all over the
country, and outside the country
00:18:36.42\00:18:38.96
But let's face it, it's a
long commute from New York City,
00:18:38.97\00:18:42.42
where we've had patients come,
and from Southern California
00:18:42.45\00:18:45.77
to come to Oklahoma.
00:18:45.78\00:18:48.75
So, people have to be convinced,
not only that vegetarian meals
00:18:48.78\00:18:53.47
can taste good, but that they're
accessible to them in their home
00:18:53.48\00:18:57.09
That they can either
prepare these things,
00:18:57.79\00:18:59.57
that they can
somehow take advantage of a
00:18:59.58\00:19:02.36
vegetarian diet in
their own environment,
00:19:02.39\00:19:04.99
and that's why we
have cooking classes.
00:19:05.00\00:19:07.46
It's not unique to
our program here on 3ABN.
00:19:07.47\00:19:10.02
There are programs that help
00:19:10.05\00:19:11.37
educate people on
cooking... This is vital!
00:19:11.41\00:19:14.07
Don, at your
church, in the CHIP program,
00:19:14.11\00:19:15.69
you teach people how
to cook. It's a BIG thing.
00:19:15.72\00:19:19.17
And so, what I want to
introduce our viewers to is
00:19:19.21\00:19:22.63
Gardenia Montalvo...
00:19:22.66\00:19:24.27
Gardenia came to us
in dire physical straits,
00:19:24.30\00:19:28.18
and one of the things
that changed her perspective
00:19:28.21\00:19:31.04
was seeing that a vegetarian
diet was accessible...
00:19:31.07\00:19:34.14
It was something she could do.
00:19:34.17\00:19:35.45
Not the WHAT but
the HOW. That's right
00:19:35.46\00:19:37.34
That's what she learned.
00:19:37.37\00:19:39.48
Well let's look at that...
00:19:39.51\00:19:41.59
The cooking
classes are incredibly fun
00:19:41.62\00:19:44.80
because first, you
get a demonstration
00:19:44.83\00:19:48.44
by 2 professionals
trained in cooking,
00:19:48.47\00:19:52.72
and then you go
hands-on to the stations,
00:19:52.75\00:19:55.56
and you make a couple of
dishes and it's so enjoyable.
00:19:55.59\00:19:59.22
And, you learn to work
with soy-based products,
00:19:59.25\00:20:03.48
and make delicious food which
I thought was impossible...
00:20:03.51\00:20:07.67
Like I didn't miss, at the
Thanksgiving table, ANTHING!
00:20:07.68\00:20:11.52
I thought it was like
having a totally normal
00:20:11.55\00:20:14.93
thanksgiving dinner, and
there was only plant foods there
00:20:14.96\00:20:17.96
on the table, and
everything was delicious.
00:20:17.99\00:20:21.92
That's great, and
now she's saying...
00:20:21.95\00:20:23.48
"Maybe I know how to do
this; I know what I'm doing"
00:20:23.51\00:20:27.39
The cooking classes we do at
the Lifestyle Center of America
00:20:27.42\00:20:29.84
are different than
some cooking programs.
00:20:29.87\00:20:31.73
They're actually hands-on.
00:20:31.77\00:20:33.61
I think it would
help our viewers, Don,
00:20:33.64\00:20:35.91
if I showed you some
footage of our cooking classes
00:20:35.94\00:20:39.43
and just explain a little
bit of how we do things there.
00:20:39.46\00:20:42.40
Good! Great! Let's look at that,
00:20:42.43\00:20:43.78
and why don't you
just talk me through it,
00:20:43.81\00:20:45.30
walk me through
it as we're watching.
00:20:45.31\00:20:46.67
I'll do that. All right!
00:20:46.70\00:20:48.35
So right here, this
is the situation we have,
00:20:48.38\00:20:51.34
what's going on here?
00:20:51.37\00:20:53.05
What you see... we've actually
got 6 different stations
00:20:53.08\00:20:55.77
We're focused in on 2 of
the stations... now on one here.
00:20:55.80\00:20:59.18
And these are guests
that are preparing food?
00:20:59.21\00:21:00.41
These are guests... people
with various health concerns
00:21:00.42\00:21:03.28
Some just wanting
to prevent disease,
00:21:03.31\00:21:05.09
but many with things
like diabetes, heart disease,
00:21:05.12\00:21:07.57
high blood
pressure, weight problems...
00:21:07.60\00:21:09.16
And they're
learning actually to cook.
00:21:09.19\00:21:10.76
There's our cooking
instructor, Jodi Crandall,
00:21:10.79\00:21:13.09
there in the white apron.
00:21:13.12\00:21:14.77
And she's explaining
to some of our guests,
00:21:14.78\00:21:17.70
that's what we
call our patients...
00:21:17.71\00:21:19.23
how to prepare the meal.
00:21:19.27\00:21:20.44
They've got the recipe there.
00:21:20.47\00:21:21.87
They're cutting the
food. They're preparing it.
00:21:21.91\00:21:24.02
And it's astounding to many of
them... because they say to us
00:21:24.05\00:21:28.78
"Wow! We're not only
learning a better diet,
00:21:28.81\00:21:33.59
but we're actually
preparing it ourselves. "
00:21:33.62\00:21:35.68
And not only do they prepare
the food, they taste the food.
00:21:35.71\00:21:38.93
They see how they do, and
this is shortly before our
00:21:38.96\00:21:42.95
noon meal is served,
and they're trying out
00:21:42.98\00:21:46.37
what's actually going to be
served then in the dining room.
00:21:46.40\00:21:49.41
They're going to eat
the food that they made!
00:21:49.44\00:21:51.77
Oh so this menu goes
along with what they're going to
00:21:51.80\00:21:53.63
actually be eating.
That's exactly right,
00:21:53.66\00:21:55.21
and, as they are experiencing
the diet there at the
00:21:55.24\00:21:57.71
Lifestyle Center of
America the first few days,
00:21:57.74\00:22:00.04
I mean it is
good. It's good food.
00:22:00.07\00:22:01.59
And the guests do a great job.
00:22:01.62\00:22:03.28
I often joke with them, Don...
00:22:03.31\00:22:04.45
I say, "Boy, if you
lose your job, you've got
00:22:04.48\00:22:08.60
another
profession to fall back on"
00:22:08.63\00:22:10.43
...Because they're
learning the skill of cooking.
00:22:10.46\00:22:12.89
You know, I think that's
so important in our program
00:22:12.92\00:22:14.70
What we try and do is each week,
00:22:14.73\00:22:18.28
they have a day that
they prepare everything,
00:22:18.29\00:22:20.67
and they prepare the food.
00:22:20.70\00:22:21.78
And there might be 6 to
10 people around the table,
00:22:21.81\00:22:24.67
and each of them take
a different menu item,
00:22:24.70\00:22:26.70
and as they take that
menu item, then they come back
00:22:26.73\00:22:28.90
and there are
always disasters...
00:22:28.93\00:22:30.57
I mean, especially when
I'm involved in cooking.
00:22:30.60\00:22:33.47
But where there are failures,
there are also successes,
00:22:33.50\00:22:35.84
and by the end of
it, we getting adept.
00:22:35.87\00:22:38.72
So the points we're
trying to make here...
00:22:38.75\00:22:41.05
is that people that
when they look at their diet,
00:22:41.08\00:22:43.85
and they've been
told they need to change,
00:22:43.88\00:22:45.68
or they're reading things
and saying they need to make
00:22:45.71\00:22:47.47
changes, I first
always try to tell people...
00:22:47.50\00:22:50.59
"Don't be afraid to
make dramatic changes"
00:22:50.62\00:22:53.13
"Don't be afraid to make
clean breaks with certain things
00:22:53.16\00:22:56.37
if that's what you need to do"
00:22:56.40\00:22:57.56
And it doesn't mean, necessarily
being a total vegetarian.
00:22:57.59\00:23:00.45
It may mean making a
clean break with red meat.
00:23:01.59\00:23:03.66
Maybe that's what someone
needs to do... The initial step
00:23:03.69\00:23:05.75
Yeah, or a clean
break with ice cream...
00:23:05.79\00:23:07.62
if that's one of the things
that's undermining your health.
00:23:07.66\00:23:09.68
Careful now... I know I
can get on some thin ice here.
00:23:09.71\00:23:13.15
It's not a message I'm telling
everyone that they've got to
00:23:13.18\00:23:15.29
give up certain foods,
but YOU'VE got to identify
00:23:15.32\00:23:18.01
what things are getting in
the way of your health goals.
00:23:18.04\00:23:21.29
What you want for you...
00:23:21.33\00:23:22.44
In other words, you know
this causes this, or that...
00:23:22.47\00:23:24.24
You know it's going to lead
to, so you make the decision
00:23:24.27\00:23:26.67
in light of the
scientific facts.
00:23:26.70\00:23:28.99
That's right... and Don,
I always try to bring it on
00:23:29.02\00:23:31.80
to a spiritual level.
00:23:31.83\00:23:33.37
Because we've got
a God who tells us...
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He's interested in
us having abundant life.
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God is willing to
direct us in lifestyle.
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Think about the
10 Commandments...
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That's a pattern
for lifestyle isn't it?
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In relationships,
basically. Exactly
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The interesting thing
about the 10 Commandments
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is they talk MOSTLY, for the
most part, about clean breaks.
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It doesn't say... It would
be a good idea to kill less.
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Right? It doesn't
say... Limit adultery.
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It says, "Don't do
it. " That's right.
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But we're afraid, as people,
to often make those clean breaks
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But there is
power in clean breaks
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ESPECIALLY if God
has called you to do it.
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And so I tell people, "PRAY,"
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ask God... what
He's calling you to do.
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What He wants you to
make a clean break from.
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That's right... Does He want
you to walk away from the meat.
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Does He want you to walk
away from certain sweet foods.
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It doesn't mean you
have to be a total vegetarian
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and never touch dessert.
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Now, here's where it
really gets interesting.
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Not only does it demand that we
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are willing to
make some changes...
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Not only does it demand that
we can see the new lifestyles
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accessible... whether it's your
cooking class or something else,
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How to do it... How to do it.
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But, you know, the
other critical ingredient
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is we need role models.
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That REALLY helps the process.
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I say we need them; it sure
makes it a whole lot easier.
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Physicians like
yourself, or people,
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Lifestyle Center
of America, or...
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Well, I'll tell you, yes.
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Staff is great there.
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People in the community.
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You know, I LOVE the experience
of our cooking school instructor
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Jodi Crandall... because
Jodi, by her own admission,
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couldn't cook!
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We've got a clip of Jodi
talking about her experience.
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This is before
she worked with you...
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Before she worked with us.
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Okay, let's join Jodi.
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Being a
vegetarian is very exciting.
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It's an adventure for me.
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I used to eat meat
until I was about 25-27
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and I actually had just
learned to cook when I went away
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to college, so I can relate to a
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lot of the
students that don't cook.
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I've never really
tried to tell them,
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"If I can cook, so can you. "
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I could burn water in a pan
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and I have learned
to cook, and I LOVE it!
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I became a vegetarian
when I was going to college
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because it was an adventure.
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I never heard of it before.
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I thought it
would be fun to try,
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and it has been a lot of fun.
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I have found so much variety...
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For every meat
that you have out there,
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there's got to be at
least 7 beans to each one.
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And the grains...
people don't really know
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about all the
grains that are out there.
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You've got whole wheat,
rather than just white flour.
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You've got millet... they
think it's JUST for birds.
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But it's actually delicious.
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I like that she's
looking at this as an adventure.
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More than just a...
"Oh, I had to change"
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"I had to give up
this... I had to give up that"
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She LIKES it... it's
almost like she's contented
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Is that the
secret, contentedness?
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That's one of the secrets, Don.
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You know, when God
gives us a program,
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whether it's something
we like at first or not...
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Paul said... he'd learned
in whatever state he was in,
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to be content.
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At first, that contentment
is we're just trusting the Lord
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sometimes because it's difficult
at first to develop new habits.
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When we stick with
a new way of living,
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the Lord actually changes us.
00:27:02.96\00:27:05.34
It's the way He's made us,
00:27:05.35\00:27:07.19
and so we develop
these new enjoyments
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and then we get the
benefits from that lifestyle.
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So the message I try
to give my patients is
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"Don't hold back
from making big changes,
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if that's what God
is calling you to do"
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He'll give you the
power to make those changes...
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Give you the
friends. That's right!
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Look for the support network.
00:27:22.92\00:27:24.55
Look for people
who've done it before.
00:27:24.58\00:27:26.24
Look for people who
can walk you through it.
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And whether you've
got to come to Oklahoma,
00:27:28.25\00:27:30.76
or to your neighborhood church,
or your next door neighbor,
00:27:30.79\00:27:33.14
take advantage of those
resources that are there.
00:27:33.17\00:27:36.31
Get involved!
Have people help you.
00:27:36.32\00:27:39.47
This is what it's about.
00:27:39.50\00:27:40.57
We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose
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It's possible you can make the
choices that you need to make.
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God can give you
direction in that.
00:27:46.39\00:27:48.50
He can lead you to
people that can help you;
00:27:48.53\00:27:50.18
maybe a place like the
Lifestyle Center of America,
00:27:50.21\00:27:52.78
or your local church.
00:27:52.81\00:27:54.09
And you can be content with
the choices that you've made.
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We hope today's program
gives you health that lasts
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for a lifetime!
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