Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host, Don Mackintosh,
and today, I'm delighted to have
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Dr. David DeRose
with us from what...
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Oklahoma, The
Lifestyle Center of America
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That's exactly
right; that's home for me
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...has been for about 4 years.
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Now, I drove down there recently
and I saw these signs for
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the Chickasaw Nation.
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What's that all about?
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Well actually, Oklahoma used
to be called Indian territories.
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So we have very deep roots
in Native American traditions,
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and Native American peoples.
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A number of our staff members
have Native American roots.
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One of our board members, I
know, has Native American roots
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So, it's something that's really
part and parcel of Oklahoma
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Not just that, many
different places, of course,
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up the road a little bit,
I drove through a town called
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"Wichita" which
is an Indian name,
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and the
so-called "Chisholm Trail"
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with Jesse Chisholm who
spoke about 14 or 15 different
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Indian dialects.
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The only reason I
mention that is because today,
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we're going to be talking about
Native American health practices
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and I know that there may be
many Native Americans watching
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3ABN in those areas,
and this will be something,
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of course,
especially interesting to them,
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but I think that it can benefit
the rest of us too, I hope.
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You've published
something on this,
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or you've given some
talks on this subject?
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Actually, we
presented a paper at the
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American Public
Health Association meeting...
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It's the largest
meeting of public health
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and preventive
medicine professionals.
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Each year this meeting
takes place, and in 1999,
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in Chicago, we
presented a paper dealing with
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2 Native Americans
who came to our program;
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one of them was a tribal leader.
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Both he and his
wife had diabetes.
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He also had blood pressure
problems, cholesterol problems
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Miraculous things happened
when he came to our program
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at the Lifestyle
Center of America.
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He is just one, of probably some
now 50 or 60 Native Americans
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who have come
through our program.
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As I've worked
with Native Americans,
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as I've traveled to
some of the reservations,
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and presented talks...
including just recently
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I was out in Arizona
speaking to the medical staff of
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one of the Indian
Health Service Hospitals,
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they're excited about what
scientific research is showing
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that REALLY SAYS
that the program that
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God gave us in His Word is
something that ironically...
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ironically to some people,
Native Americans had many
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insights into before they
even KNEW about the Bible!
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So you're suggesting that
maybe their health practices
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are not only scientific when
they look at the roots of them,
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they also have a Biblical basis.
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That's right and
this SHOCKS people, Don
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I gotta tell you, because
in public health circles,
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when you say Native American,
you know what they think?
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They don't think
"health," they think "disease"
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They think "alcoholism. "
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They think "diabetes. "
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They think...
diabetes in Native Americans
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I mean, this is a HUGE problem.
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But what we're finding at
the Lifestyle Center of America,
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when Native Americans
go through our program,
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they can reverse their diabetes.
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What the research is
showing is that 100 YEARS AGO
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...Well, let me
give you an example.
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Have you heard of the
Pima Indians in Arizona?
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I haven't but... That's
okay What's it called again?
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The Pima Indians... Pima!
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The Pima Indians are
probably the most well-studied
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population group in the
world when it comes to diabetes.
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You should have heard
of them but that's okay
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I know it's a
little out of your field.
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In fact, our National
Institutes for Health,
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for those of our
viewers that don't realize this,
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this is the big
RESEARCH ARM of our government.
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They fund research;
they do their own research.
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Based there in the
Washington, DC area
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they have a branch of the
National Institutes of Health
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in Phoenix, Arizona...
... Studying this group
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Studying this
group in particular.
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What they found in looking at
records over the last 100 years,
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back around the turn of
the century, around 1900,
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1 case of diabetes
among Pima Indians.
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Wow, so some BIG
changes came from some reason.
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In the 1940s...
How many? 21 cases
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TODAY, today...
50% of Pima Indians,
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over 35 have diabetes. Amazing!
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If we look at the
historical records, Don,
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Native Americans seem to
have excellent health before
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European influence, and they
were also following a program
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that I believe is VERY, very
similar to the kind of program
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that God wants us to follow
today to optimize our health.
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And it WASN'T because Native
Americans were reading the Bible
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So how did they get this...
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I mean some Christians out there
or different people that are
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Christian, you know, and
also scientific-type people
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are saying, "Wait a minute,
it's one thing to say that they
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have these diseases
that have come because of
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Western lifestyle, but
it's quite another to say
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that they had some kind of
divine revelation that came.
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How can you
make a case for that?
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To me, the interesting
thing is that Native Americans
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traditionally have had
several very important roots
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in their culture.
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One is a strong sense
of respect for the Creator
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and for creation.
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A very healthy
respect for their bodies,
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and for all of
nature... And the environment.
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And the
environment, yes. All of nature.
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The laws that God
has given us in the Bible
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have that same
respect throughout.
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God is desiring to help us to
optimize this blessing of life
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that He has given us.
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And even... To me, the
argument that I make, Don
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The argument I say to people...
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They say, "Look-it, even if
Native Americans didn't have
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a divine revelation of this,
and some would argue that...
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I mean, some Native
Americans would say,
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"God was leading our people,
even though we didn't have a
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Bible, and I believe that
God DOES speak through nature
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and He
communicates in other ways,
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although the PERFECT revelation
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is clearly through His
Son, and through His Word.
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He has been communicating
through His spirit,
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through revelation.
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In fact, the book of
Romans, right? Romans 1...
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It says that, "Everyone's
guiltless cause God has revealed
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His character... where?
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Everywhere in nature... Yeah,
in nature, in what He's created
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So here's the argument I make...
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Regardless of
where it comes from,
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Native Americans traditionally
seem to have some insights
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into optimal
healthful living practices...
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But here's the bottom line, this
is exciting! Really exciting!
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People today,
when I work with them,
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they say, "Dr. DeRose,
it's not going to work for me. "
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"I got bad genetics. "
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"My dad had this.
My mom had this. "
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"My grandfather had this. "
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"I can't help it. I'm going to
get diabetes, heart disease. "
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"I'm going to have amputations,
dialysis, stroke... whatever!"
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Native Americans show us
that even in a people group,
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that is predisposed to
disease, like the Pima Indians,
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they didn't have that
kind of disease in 1900
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on their more
traditional lifestyle...
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It had changed
even by that time.
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Here's the point...
No matter what genetic
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hand you've GOT, LIFESTYLE
can make a tremendous difference
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And there is ongoing
research in Native Americans
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including OUR work at the
Lifestyle Center of America
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that says... even if you've got
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Even if you're
not a Native American;
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if you've got a lousy
hand, genetically dealt to you,
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you can change it, and
that's the amazing thing.
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And Native American practices,
these are things, many of them
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and I'm not, you know,
putting my seal of approval on
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everything that was done
by any Native American tribe.
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You know, you can go
out and get dream catchers,
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and all the other
stuff, even though...
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Well, I'm not here to point,
good and bad in everything.
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Even in my cultural
traditions, I have European
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cultural traditions.
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We could pick out some
things that aren't so desirable.
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But I want to
focus on the positives,
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and when I speak to Native
Americans, there are so many
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things in their cultural
traditions that are POSITIVE
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that help all of us.
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So did they have a
basic plant-based diet?
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I mean, you usually
think of Indians out there
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on the back of a horse or a
buffalo shooting another buffalo
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or this or that, and many
times you see these pictures
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and all going
and getting the kill.
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Was it a plant-based diet, or
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was there a lot
of meat in the diet?
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This was a shock to me, Don.
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When I started working
more with Native Americans
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in Oklahoma, and I have
to tell you, I really had
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very little
experience with native Americans
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before I moved to Oklahoma,
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and to the
Lifestyle Center of America.
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But, I started
visiting; you know, reading
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historical documents, traveling,
speaking on reservations
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like I said... It's amazing!
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Throughout the country,
you look at the Coastal Indians
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on the
northeast, the southeast...
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You look at the Indians
in Wichita, you mentioned
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There is an early
account of a Spanish explorer
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in the 1500s, who
comes into Kansas.
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You think you know the
plains. Yeah... Buffalo, right?
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Indians, bows and arrows,
and rifles on horses... Right?
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Catching the buffalo?
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Hey! Those were all
European introductions.
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The rifle and the horse?
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Traditionally, what
did the Spaniards find?
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They found FIELDS of
corn, and squash, and
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an agriculturally-based society
in the DESERT in Arizona!
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The whole desert was irrigated.
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The Hohokam people,
the ancestors of the Pimas
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had the whole desert irrigated.
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Aerial photographs of
the Phoenix River Basin today
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still show shadowy lines of
irrigation canals. It's AMAZING!
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Agriculturally based, but
then when the Europeans came...
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Yes, some of the Plains
Indians shifted their diet
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to a meat-based diet
when they could hunt much more
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efficiently
with horses and guns.
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Interesting. So now some people
that are listening today say...
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"Wait a minute, not only
do I disagree" and you already
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cleared up this disagreement,
that maybe they're plant-based
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and you've certainly
spoken to that eloquently...
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But they might say, "I'm a
Christian, and even in the Bible
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it doesn't say I
can't eat meat. "
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What do you say to
a person like that?
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You know what, at the
Lifestyle Center of America, Don
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we never tell
anyone they can't eat meat.
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People come to us because
they have medical problems,
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and we say, "Look-it, we
have you here for MAYBE 19 days"
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That's the longest
program we offer... we say,
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"Look-it, we want to
see the maximum results
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in the shortest time. "
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And we do use that plant-based
diet, a vegetarian diet
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because that, in our experience,
and in the medical research
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that we've reviewed, and
some of the research we've done,
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that gives quick results.
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When people go back
home, I've had Native Americans
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who have gone home, and they
follow a total vegetarian diet.
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There was a
woman, a Sioux woman;
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they refer to
themselves as "Lakota"
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She actually went
back to her tribe.
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She had me speak out
there, on her reservation,
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and she adapted a total
vegetarian diet to all the foods
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that were readily
accessible there in her culture.
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Other Native Americans
have gone back and they say,
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"Look-it, it's important
for me to have some wild game"
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but you know what?
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Wild game is
actually very low in fat.
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Buffalo? You have any idea
how much fat is in buffalo meat?
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Percentage-wise? You
mean wild buffalo meat?
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Yeah, a wild
buffalo... wild game.
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Are there even
wild buffalos left?
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There are. You know,
they're protected like in
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natural protected areas.
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I wouldn't probably eat
it because I'd be afraid of
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the disease and different things
It's not really inspected.
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Well, I wasn't
trying to get you to eat it.
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I was trying to get you to
hazard a guess as to how much
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fat is in their tissue.
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What would you say?
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Well let me give you
a frame of reference.
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Lean, ground beef,
baked, EXTRA lean ground beef,
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only about 60% fat.
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So what do you think buffalo? 40
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15... 15% fat? That's all.
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So, I mean, if you
were going to choose meat,
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and you're watching
your fat consumption,
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which is very important
when it comes to diabetes,
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animal fat seems to be a factor
in the development of diabetes.
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Hey, if you're going to
eat fat... Yes, wild game is
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really a pretty good choice.
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Deer is less than 20% fat.
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Now, we still have
some concerns ... Sure
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because there are other risks...
Diseases and different things
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Yeah, sure, like
you've mentioned, but STILL
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Native Americans, even
the wild game they ate,
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was very low in fat.
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It wasn't the
chips. It wasn't the lard.
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This is not what they
were raised on traditionally.
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We're talking
with Dr. David DeRose
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from the
Lifestyle Center of America
00:13:11.70\00:13:13.19
He's been doing some
fascinating research on the
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Native American diet,
and how it's related to
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God's principles
as seen in Scripture,
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but even more interesting,
or at least as interesting,
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is that being the same thing
that science is telling us today
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And when we come back,
we're we're going to look
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a little further at that.
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How can we have the
Native American benefits.
00:13:32.70\00:13:35.68
How can we avoid any pitfalls
00:13:35.71\00:13:37.62
that they came across in
their particular culture.
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Join us when we come back!
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Welcome back!
We've been talking with
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Dr. David DeRose
about Native Americans and
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really about
their health practices,
00:14:51.16\00:14:52.73
and this is fascinating research
that you've started to uncover.
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Evidently, they had a
predominantly plant-based
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food or very low in fat
if they were having wild game
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and they had a lot of the health
practices that really lead
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to positive things today.
00:15:06.98\00:15:09.41
Now you mentioned that
they NOW, as we are living now,
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they have a lot of
problems with diabetes,
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and a lot of problems
with other illnesses...
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are there any other
illnesses besides diabetes
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that they seem to suffer from?
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Well, the group like I
mentioned earlier that has been
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MOST well-studied
are the Pima Indians,
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and their weight
concerns and diabetes as far as
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chronic diseases, and of course
the substance abuse issues
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have also loomed
large in native populations.
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So these issues,
though, are things that affect
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you and I as well.
00:15:44.50\00:15:46.79
Whether we have
obesity or diabetes diagnoses,
00:15:46.82\00:15:50.54
we ALL are at risk for this
because as we tend to get older,
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we tend to put on
weight, and with weight comes
00:15:56.59\00:15:58.86
the risk for diabetes...
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So I think as we talk
about these conditions,
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there is something that
is applicable to everyone
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regardless of what
their cultural background is.
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So we should ALL be thinking
about a plant-based diet
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like they have in
their cultural past...
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Yeah... I should
mention one other thing
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because a lot of people
still may be a little skeptical.
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Very interesting study, 1994,
the journal "Diabetes Care"
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Researchers from the
National Institutes of Health
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there in Phoenix,
Arizona, traveled down to Mexico
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and they found another cultural
group, Native Americans,
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that were from the
same ancestry as the Pimas
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in Arizona; 2
Pima groups basically.
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Pimas in
Arizona, Pimas in Mexico
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The Pimas in Mexico were on
a very different lifestyle...
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High fiber diet, more
active, and, interestingly,
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VERY interestingly, eating meat
only about once every month or 2
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Basically, a vegetarian diet.
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What they found in
the men, for example...
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Average man in his 40s,
in the Pimas in Arizona,
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over 50% of the
them had diabetes.
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Less than 10%, well
under 10% of those in Mexico
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Yes, they had a genetic
predisposition, but LIFESTYLE
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makes a huge difference,
and that's the message...
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Whether it's heart
disease, or stroke, or diabetes,
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or weight, we can't
reverse ALL the genetics,
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but we can make a big
difference with our lifestyle...
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And Native American traditional
practices gave these people
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tremendous health...
that's what the records suggest
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But NOW, it's adopting
these Western practices
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that have contributed to
this decline in health status.
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This is the same thing
that we've seen with these
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studies of rural China,
and all these different things
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but the
interesting thing about this,
00:17:48.97\00:17:50.85
is that it is right
here on this continent...
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What about Native
Americans, and their ability to
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say "yes" or "no"
to certain substances,
00:17:57.76\00:17:59.56
so-called "temperance?"
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This is REALLY interesting, Don.
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There was a famous French
explorer named "le Moyne "
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Jacques le Moyne and he came
to what is modern-day Florida
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before the
Spanish had come there.
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His party came there, and
he observed Native Americans
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really for the first time...
these native peoples there.
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And the accounts that he wrote
about them are fascinating.
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Not only did he write
historical descriptions,
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but he made some beautiful
watercolor illustrations
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that were then
reproduced by another Frenchman,
00:18:30.23\00:18:32.85
Theodor de Bry into
copperplate engravings.
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These have stood the test
of time; we have these today.
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I've seen many of
these illustrations.
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A number of them show
Native Americans eating!
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And le Moyne says
things like this...
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These native peoples... he
didn't call them native peoples
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I got to tell you,
he often used terms that
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Derogatory... Very derogatory.
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He mentions these
derogatory terms like... um
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I don't need to mention them.
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But he says things like
this, "They never overate"
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"We Christians would be well
to learn lessons of sobriety
00:19:06.15\00:19:11.45
from these people
that we consider in such
00:19:11.48\00:19:15.05
derogatory terms"...
Amazing! It's AMAZING!
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He's saying, look-it, I mean
and he said, "These people are
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so long-lived. "
They have such long lives
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because they're
temperate in their eating. Hmm
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I'll tell ya, it's a powerful
lesson, and it's something
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that I believe God wants
to have Christians power over.
00:19:29.55\00:19:32.62
As you and I
have talked before...
00:19:32.65\00:19:35.11
So how did we get in
this predicament of being,
00:19:35.14\00:19:37.96
you know, a Christian
nation or a Christian people
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and you're a Christian,
and I'm a Christian minister...
00:19:41.18\00:19:45.05
Why is it that so MANY
Christians have a problem
00:19:45.08\00:19:47.79
with this very area?
00:19:47.82\00:19:49.59
Why is it that they have used
their very religion, it seems,
00:19:49.62\00:19:52.26
in a way that harms themselves?
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Well you know what,
this is the irony...
00:19:53.73\00:19:55.37
I talk about like traditional
Native American practices
00:19:55.40\00:19:58.38
with Christians...
They say, "Hey, I don't want
00:19:58.41\00:20:01.02
anything to do with that. "
00:20:01.05\00:20:02.24
That wasn't
Bible-based. You see...
00:20:02.27\00:20:06.48
Or, did you hear
who is a vegetarian?
00:20:06.51\00:20:08.52
It's some of these people
in these... and they use some
00:20:08.55\00:20:12.42
derogatory terms, NOT Christian.
00:20:12.45\00:20:16.31
So if I'm going
to be a vegetarian,
00:20:16.34\00:20:18.48
then I'm not really
going to be a Christian
00:20:18.51\00:20:20.30
because the
Christians aren't doing that.
00:20:20.33\00:20:22.02
You know what
the irony is to me?
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Native Americans
do the same thing.
00:20:23.88\00:20:26.36
Let me tell you... this
is a parallel explanation,
00:20:26.39\00:20:29.06
parallel situation.
00:20:29.09\00:20:31.10
You go into some
Native American communities,
00:20:31.13\00:20:33.97
and what are
their traditional foods?
00:20:34.00\00:20:36.33
Fried bread, you
know, dough fried in lard.
00:20:36.36\00:20:39.78
Where did the lard and
the fat come from? Okay
00:20:39.81\00:20:42.36
That wasn't part of
their traditional foods before
00:20:42.39\00:20:45.68
European influence.
00:20:45.71\00:20:46.96
But it has now
become their tradition.
00:20:46.99\00:20:49.14
They identify with this as
part of their cultural identity.
00:20:49.17\00:20:53.18
Christians do the same thing.
00:20:53.21\00:20:55.70
They say, "You know, we
eat meat... this is what we do
00:20:55.73\00:20:57.95
in our church. " This is what
we do in our fellowship meals"
00:20:57.98\00:21:00.57
"We're not going to be
like these non-Christians,
00:21:00.60\00:21:02.90
and eat like that. "
00:21:03.02\00:21:04.13
What I'm saying is, "Hey, wait
a minute, Jesus came to give us
00:21:04.16\00:21:08.21
abundant life...
00:21:08.24\00:21:09.99
If He tells me to
change my lifestyle,
00:21:10.02\00:21:12.63
I'm not going to look
around and who else is doing it,
00:21:12.66\00:21:14.57
or who's not doing it.
00:21:14.60\00:21:16.02
And what the medical
research is showing us,
00:21:16.05\00:21:18.61
and what Native
American practices show us in a
00:21:18.64\00:21:21.66
group of people who have
the odds stacked against some
00:21:21.69\00:21:24.26
chronic diseases like
obesity, and diabetes.
00:21:24.29\00:21:27.87
It shows us that
that Genesis diet...
00:21:27.90\00:21:30.29
that that Genesis lifestyle
of moderate useful exercise
00:21:30.32\00:21:34.35
that God gave Adam
and Eve in the Garden
00:21:34.38\00:21:36.25
of a plant-based diet,
of a trusting relationship
00:21:36.28\00:21:39.63
with the Creator, of a
stress-free existence...
00:21:39.66\00:21:42.64
these THINGS are
things that we NEED today
00:21:42.67\00:21:45.58
and it doesn't matter
if indigenous Australian,
00:21:45.61\00:21:49.40
the aborigines are
adopting them or practiced them.
00:21:49.43\00:21:52.81
It doesn't matter if
the Chinese have done this
00:21:52.84\00:21:55.10
traditionally from a
perspective it didn't
00:21:55.13\00:21:58.69
incorporate Christ...
00:21:58.70\00:21:59.72
Many of these indigenous
peoples knew their BODY
00:21:59.75\00:22:02.62
better than we Westerners do.
00:22:02.65\00:22:04.63
And who created our bodies? God
00:22:04.64\00:22:07.84
So these people have
insights into the way
00:22:07.87\00:22:10.63
the Creator made them, and they
lived that way traditionally.
00:22:10.66\00:22:14.07
So why should we
DISTANCE ourselves from those
00:22:14.10\00:22:17.51
practices as Christians? Sure
00:22:17.54\00:22:18.86
We should just build on it.
00:22:18.89\00:22:20.05
So, they believe in the Creator,
00:22:20.08\00:22:21.96
they're very much
into protecting the earth,
00:22:21.99\00:22:25.15
and their own bodies,
and their cultural history.
00:22:25.18\00:22:27.56
You kind of made
them aware of this,
00:22:27.59\00:22:29.97
and it's probably an
"ah-ha" experience for them.
00:22:30.00\00:22:32.19
They are
temperate in terms of these
00:22:32.22\00:22:34.48
things that you've
seen in the artwork...
00:22:34.51\00:22:36.53
What about exercise?
00:22:36.57\00:22:37.86
Exercise is very interesting.
00:22:37.89\00:22:40.11
You know, exercise
today, for many Americans
00:22:40.14\00:22:43.38
is either something to avoid,
or, if a person is exercising,
00:22:43.41\00:22:48.63
it's with great
fervor, and religiosity...
00:22:48.66\00:22:51.31
"I exercise 45 minutes a day...
00:22:51.34\00:22:53.73
and I check my pulse,
and I see what it is...
00:22:53.76\00:22:56.73
Kind of an obsessive
compulsive type thing.
00:22:56.76\00:22:58.66
Now don't misunderstand,
I'm not depreciating that,
00:22:58.70\00:23:02.33
but what Native Americans did is
00:23:02.36\00:23:03.89
exercise was a part
of their daily life.
00:23:03.92\00:23:06.03
It wasn't something they DID...
00:23:06.06\00:23:07.90
They exercised as
part of their life.
00:23:07.94\00:23:09.68
They were
physically active people,
00:23:09.71\00:23:11.63
even in some of
their ceremonies.
00:23:11.66\00:23:13.91
They were physically active.
00:23:13.94\00:23:15.56
Of dances and all that... Okay
00:23:15.59\00:23:17.19
Not just dances, they even had
00:23:17.20\00:23:18.93
organized sports
in the southwest.
00:23:18.96\00:23:21.29
They had ball courts that
had both physical fitness,
00:23:21.32\00:23:26.01
and religious connotations...
some very interesting parallels
00:23:26.02\00:23:30.44
What I tell people today,
not that we've got to build
00:23:30.47\00:23:34.19
Native American ball courts
and start playing out there
00:23:34.22\00:23:37.91
in some kind of
worship ritual...
00:23:37.94\00:23:39.19
What I tell people, Don,
is we need to make exercise
00:23:39.22\00:23:44.17
a part of our daily routine.
00:23:44.20\00:23:45.70
It's just like... you don't
get up in the morning and say,
00:23:45.73\00:23:48.49
"Boy, am I going to eat today?"
00:23:48.50\00:23:49.54
Now you could choose to fast...
but isn't the given for you
00:23:49.57\00:23:53.46
like it is for me
that you're going to eat?
00:23:53.47\00:23:54.73
How about sleep? Is
that kind of a given?
00:23:54.76\00:23:57.37
Ah, that's a given!
00:23:57.40\00:23:58.55
What about exercise?
You don't have to answer
00:23:58.58\00:24:00.29
but the point is, most Americans
They don't even think about it.
00:24:00.32\00:24:03.50
They don't even think about
it, it's something they add,
00:24:03.51\00:24:05.20
or maybe if they have time.
00:24:05.23\00:24:06.57
Native Americans with part
and parcel the way they lived
00:24:06.60\00:24:08.67
I say, "Hey, all of us
need to get on that mode. "
00:24:09.53\00:24:12.14
A day without a
meal, a day without sleep,
00:24:12.17\00:24:15.29
a day without
exercise... You can choose that,
00:24:15.32\00:24:17.74
but that should
be the exception.
00:24:17.75\00:24:19.80
The rule, all of those
things should be part of our
00:24:19.83\00:24:21.91
daily activities.
00:24:21.94\00:24:22.96
Did they ever fast,
or use natural remedies?
00:24:22.99\00:24:25.39
Definitely... and
these are some of the
00:24:25.40\00:24:27.44
most amazing things.
00:24:27.47\00:24:28.84
FASTING was something
that was used by almost...
00:24:28.87\00:24:31.69
I mean very pervasive among
many Native American tribes.
00:24:31.72\00:24:36.10
FASTING has some profound
benefits for diseases like
00:24:36.13\00:24:39.72
high blood
pressure, and diabetes.
00:24:39.75\00:24:41.47
Some fascinating
things... maybe some time we'll
00:24:41.50\00:24:43.56
have a chance to explore that.
00:24:43.59\00:24:45.21
But other natural
remedies... Herbs!
00:24:45.22\00:24:49.29
Herbs are just
blossoming in America.
00:24:49.32\00:24:53.03
Today we're starting to
realize that these things
00:24:53.06\00:24:55.80
have some unique
health-giving properties.
00:24:55.83\00:24:58.12
One of the herbs that Native
Americans use was ginseng.
00:24:58.15\00:25:02.02
American ginseng in
the year 2000 was studied,
00:25:02.05\00:25:06.74
was published in one of
the prominent medical journals.
00:25:06.75\00:25:10.12
Sore throats... No, it
was actually for diabetes
00:25:10.15\00:25:11.62
Diabetes? And
they found that using
00:25:11.65\00:25:13.46
ginseng could actually
LOWER blood sugar levels,
00:25:13.49\00:25:17.14
after a meal.
00:25:17.17\00:25:18.19
We do use some herbs
and natural supplements
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at the Lifestyle
Center of America,
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in addition to a
lifestyle program...
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And this is a tradition
that Native Americans espoused.
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You know what... The
Lord, Himself, in the Bible
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often used natural substances.
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I think of Hezekiah's healing...
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Yeah, used a fig poultice.
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A lot of people say,
"Ah, you know, that was just
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someplace to focus his faith. "
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But I think we should be very
careful about how we dismiss
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God's use of illustrations of
remedial agencies in His work.
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So all of these things...
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They had a Lifestyle Center
of America Native American
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approach... kind of a
sanitarium approach to life.
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You know what?
They did have that.
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They had a
place outside the camp
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where people went for healing
based on natural remedies.
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They were also very advanced.
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Throughout many Native American
tribes, there is evidence, Don,
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well before European influence,
they were doing brain surgery!
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Successful brain surgery.
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How do we know?
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We see surgical holes in skulls
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that show bone regrowth
indicating that brain surgery
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was done by Native
Americans and it was successful.
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So they not only used
the natural, but where it was
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appropriate, apparently they
used surgical techniques as well
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They actually had an
advanced healthcare system
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that included a
sanitarium model...
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People coming away from
their village for a time
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to get intensive healing, and
that's what we're doing today!
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That addresses the
issue... so many people say,
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"We evolved... we have
to be hunt or gatherers,
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or this or that, and now
are more and more advanced"
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Really, this is the model of
the Bible... that people were
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very intelligent,
very in-tune with what God
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wanted for their
bodies, and their lifestyle,
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and then they fell away.
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This is the plea I'm making...
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Get back to the
way God created us.
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He wants to reveal it to us,
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and He wants to give us
the power to live that way.
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Fascinating
information if you're a
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Native American, or
even if you're not...
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And some real
principles that can help YOU,
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and, of course, myself,
and Dr. DeRose to live healthy
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and to have health
that lasts for a lifetime.
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If you'd like more
information about this and other
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papers that are published by
the Lifestyle Center of America,
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or their programs, please
contact them at their website
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which is... www.
lifestylecenter. org
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lifestylecenter. org
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or contact us here at
3ABN, and we'd be happy to
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get you in touch with them.
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Thanks for joining us
today and have a GREAT day!
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