Welcome to
"Health to a Lifetime"
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...FOR a Lifetime, I should say
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh
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Today, I'm delighted to
have Dr. David DeRose with me
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Welcome doctor!
Good to be with you, Don.
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Now you're a medical
doctor, and you work at the
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Lifestyle Center of America...
Tell us a little bit about that.
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Well, we're located
in Southern Oklahoma,
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and a lot of people
say.. "Southern Oklahoma?"
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"Where is that?"
It's totally off the map,
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if you will, for most people...
as far as your experience.
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But what about midway between
Oklahoma City and Dallas, Texas
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...People come from
all over the country,
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and outside the
country to focus on
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lifestyle-related diseases
in a concentrated way...
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whether it be diabetes, high
blood pressure, heart disease,
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a host of problems.. we address
there with a Christian staff
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in a very
structured focused approach.
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It's a beautiful facility...
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I've been able to visit
there once, driving up FROM
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the Dallas area, and then
I was able to stop in there
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and it's nice on that hill...
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you have all those walking
trails; a beautiful facility.
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You also do research, don't you?
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You publish papers and what-not
in the medical literature.
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Exactly, we've
been trying to say,
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"Look at it, if the Lord
has given us light that makes
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a difference as far as health,
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we should be able to demonstrate
it in a way that actually
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changes the world's perspective.
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You see, a lot of
times people will say...
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"Well, now that's RELIGION,
don't bring that into the
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medical dialog" But
what we're saying...
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Look-it, I mean, God doesn't
work OUTSIDE of natural laws
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typically... Yes, He does
the miraculous, no question!
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But God chooses, typically, to
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work through the
laws of our being.
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He shows us how to
cooperate with Him...
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And so we believe
that sound science and true
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Biblical revelation
are in total harmony,
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and that we can
demonstrate that.
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That's one of our
focuses there at the
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Lifestyle Center of America.
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We're going to talk today about
weight management, obesity.
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How big a problem is it, and
why should we even talk about it
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Some people are going...
"Oh no, here it goes again"
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Tell us a little bit about
the magnitude of the problem,
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and HOW we can address this.
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The reason for talking
about it, Don, is not to put
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another guilt trip on people.
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I mean, we got
Madison Avenue saying...
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"Look it, if you can't
fit into this, size 5 dress,
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you're no good" We
don't need anymore of that.
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God doesn't say, "Look
it, if you weigh so much
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on this chart, then you can...
you know, be in My kingdom"
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Forget all that stuff...
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God accepts us right
where we're at on the basis
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of His gracious
sacrifice of His Son.
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We don't have to
worry about our weight,
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as far as our
standing with God...
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BUT, as Christians, God
wants to give us abundant life,
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and it's true that overweight
is a burden on our bodies.
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I mean, it's hard on our joints.
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It increases our risk
of certain types of cancer,
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and heart disease, and high
blood pressure and diabetes.
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And we see people at the
Lifestyle Center with these
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kind of problems, and we
see people with amputations.
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We see people with blindness.
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We see people
who have had strokes.
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And many times, one of
the risk factors that help to
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contribute to the
state of dis-ease,
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was being overweight.
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So we need to talk
about this subject...
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not to put a guilt trip,
but to give people some help,
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some resources that can
help them be successful.
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It even starts when
we're young, doesn't it?
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No question about it.
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I mean, it's easiest to learn
new habits when we're young,
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but it's never
too LATE to learn.
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Okay, you know,
let's talk about that...
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When we're young, I
mean, I've noticed, I read a
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little bit of
research about this once,
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about how
supermarkets are organized.
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And they're all organized so
that people will make the choice
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for this food or that food...
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You can't just go in there...
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I remember I wanted to
display some product that I
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happened to be involved
with a few years back before I
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was a nurse, and now a pastor...
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And I wanted to display
some things in the store,
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and they said, "No, this is
where that goes, this is where
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this goes and it's a
highly competitive thing.
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And it has all to
do with food choices.
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What can you tell us about food
choices, and how to make them?
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Well, you know, food
choices are typically made
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because of what
we THINK we like.
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But I like to change
that whole perspective, Don...
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because what the research
shows us is that we don't
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CHOOSE the foods that we
like anywhere near as much
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as we like the foods
that we choose. Um hmm
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You say... come on here, right,
we're playing with words here.
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Yeah, semantics... you figure
that... you send a guy away
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to school for years, and years,
and look what happens to him.
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Don, here's the point...
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ALL of us, when
we were growing up,
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you know, coming back to
these childhood influences,
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CHOICES were made for us.
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And we developed tastes;
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we developed enjoyments.
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You know, I ask
groups, when I speak with them,
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I say, "How many of you
have ever been at a table
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where foods from another
culture were being served?"
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Can you relate to that? Yes!
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And I've been at those tables
but it's not a NORMAL thing
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Not a normal thing,
but let me ask you this...
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"Have you ever been
served some just WONDERFUL FOOD
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to people of a certain
culture that you tasted,
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and, I mean, it just
didn't cut it?" Yeah, I have.
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You can relate to that? Uh huh..
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Do you mind me just being
curious and asking what it was?
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Well, it was, in this particular
case, I was in Romania
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and there was a
great spread of things,
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and there was eggplant
that was called "vinete"
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and it was this
pureed eggplant...
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They were all talking
about how wonderful it was,
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and I was going... "Yeah"
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You know, I was just
going... da... da... da... DUH
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So it really didn't
really... No, it didn't cut it.
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Not too tasty? No Okay
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Here's the point.
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Were your taste buds different
than those Romanians there?
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Ahhh... No. Yeah,
the same taste buds
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How come something
that's so delicious to them,
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and, you know, to
you... I mean, you could say
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If I gave you 5 choices, that
would probably be the last one
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Right? Right, it
would be the last one.
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Well this is a
common experience.
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Why do we like
the foods we like?
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The good news, Don...
There's good news about this!
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God has created us
with the ability to choose
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what we will enjoy.
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So I am going like vinete.
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I'm going to like this eggplant
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spread by the
end of this program?
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Don, here's how it works... Okay
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If you habitually make choices,
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you know, provided
you're not allergic to the food,
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or, you know, were sick
the first day you ate it...
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and was vomiting, and there's
some association in your brain
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with that and the illness.
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The point is, if we
habitually make choices,
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we actually tend
to develop enjoyments.
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I mean, we've all seen this,
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and it's been shown in the
medical research literature...
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Classic study,
I love this study.
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It was done in New York City.
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It was the pilot study
for something called the...
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"The WINS Study" Wins?
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Yeah, WINS... Women's
Interventional Nutritional Study
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It's a study that's
ongoing right now. All right
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The hypothesis behind
this study is that women
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who have had breast cancer,
if they eat a high fat diet,
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will increase the risk
of recurrent breast cancer.
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So, the way this study was
designed is they were going to
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help women decrease
their fat consumption...
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Say goodbye to the fat taste...
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Yeah, say goodbye to
high fat foods at least.
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And then, they predicted
that these women would have
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less risk of breast cancer
RECURRENCE as time went on.
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But here's what happened, Don...
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BEFORE the funding agencies
wanted to shell out the bucks,
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this is a huge study
taking place through multiple
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centers throughout the country
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I mean, I'm sure the budget
is, I'm sure, in the millions.
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Before they
funded it, they said,
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"We want to make SURE
that you can get women
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to decrease their
fat consumption. "
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So they did this pilot study to
see if the intervention worked.
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To see if nutritionists
could help women who had had
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breast cancer
decrease their fat consumption.
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They couldn't do it.
Believe it or not, they could!
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They DID? They did... it worked!
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They went from maybe 35
to 40% of their calories
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as fat, and that's
pretty typical in America...
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down to 20 to 25%.
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I tell you this story
because here's what happened...
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The majority of those
women who dramatically
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decreased their fat consumption
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they lost the taste...
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In fact, they developed
a DISTASTE for the high fat
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foods that they
used to ENJOY! HOW?
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Their tastes had changed
by CHANGING their CHOICES.
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Okay, they made
the decision. YEAH!
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So here's the message, Don...
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When people are sitting here,
they're listening to us talking
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And they're saying, "But
I LIKE my high fat foods"
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"I LIKE the foods I'm eating"
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God has given them the
ability, if they make changes
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and stick with them, to
develop new enjoyments. Okay
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Now, you know, I've heard
that it takes about 90 days
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to get over the fat
taste, is that right?
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You know, what I find,
Don, is the taste and the desire
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for things has a lot to
do with several questions.
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One that we should talk about
first is the whole issue of
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"addictions"
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Now when I start talking about
addictions when it comes to food
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I mean, I'm sure we've got
psychologists and psychiatrists
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listening in and they say,
"Dr. DeRose, he's specialty
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internal medicine,
preventive medicine,
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master's in public health...
those aren't psychological
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degrees... I mean, he's on thin
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ice when he's
talking about "addictions"
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Okay... we don't have
to use the word "addiction"
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A lot of our
viewers can relate though.
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Let's use the
words "problem foods"
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As I work with LOTS of
people, hundreds of people with
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weight problems...
Almost every single one of them
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has some problem foods.
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Whether you call it
an addiction or not,
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there are foods that they
can't control consumption of.
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Brownies! Could be brownies!
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Another one on the list
that's often high is ice cream!
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Chocolate in general. Chips!
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People say... MANY
people say... not everyone
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"They say, I can't control
my consumption of that food"
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That food THEN, is a
problem food for you.
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Whether you call it
an addiction or not.
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You know what you need
to do with problem foods
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if you want to
develop new tastes?
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Don't have them... at
all, EVER. That's right!
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Clean break! Just
like the alcoholic,
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walks away from the alcohol.
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Just like the nicotine addict
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has got to walk
away from nicotine...
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If you've got an
addictive relationship...
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A "problem food"... okay
whatever term you want to use
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The way to develop a
new enjoyment is to walk
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away from it...
make a clean break!
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Don, it's the path to freedom.
It's the path to freedom.
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A lot of people, I
ask them this question...
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my favorite question
that I ask about... Okay
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this topic of my group.
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So I'll ask you!
All right, go ahead.
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What sounds more
appealing to you?
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To deny yourself
for a little while...
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or to deny yourself
for the rest of your life?
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For a little while.
SEE! You've done it too!
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You made a brilliant argument
for making clean breaks.
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Ha, ha, ha... No think about it.
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When you deny yourself...
for a little while...
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for a little while,
you know what that is?
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That's the
"cutting back program"
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That's what most people...
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They say, "Well, I'm
just denying myself a little"
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"You know, I'm just going
to eat ice cream once a week. "
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That's TORTURE!
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Because you're telling
yourself the whole time that
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ice cream is
good... It's a reward,
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but you got to deny yourself.
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That's the denying
yourself for a lifetime!
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The easiest way is
to make a clean break...
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It's tougher at first, but
then the Lord helps you develop
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new enjoyments.
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I'm going to try it!
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I think... Now I'm
going to try that vinete...
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that eggplant stuff
just when I get home.
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I'm going to say, "Fix it up"
and I'm just going to eat it.
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So, if my
mother-in-law is watching,
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she's going to be happy!
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Can you explain to us...
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we've got about 1-1/2
minutes before the break...
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Let's get started
on this at least...
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How the way we eat
affects our weight...
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What are the issues
that are important there?
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I would say one of the
most important that we've got to
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talk about is meal-timing.
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It's an underestimated factor.
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There's a lot of misinformation
about meat-timing.
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In a nutshell, and we'll
explore this more in detail.
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Eat a GOOD breakfast,
midday meal - excellent.
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Those calories you eat at night,
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you've got to be
extremely careful with.
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Okay, so... BIG
breakfast, big lunch?
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Big lunch isn't bad if you
need a fair amount of calories.
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If you're really
trying to trim down,
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you may want to watch
the size of the lunch too.
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All right, light
supper. Light supper
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We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose
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Welcome back, we're
talking with Dr. David DeRose
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from the Lifestyle Center.
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We're glad you're here today.
00:14:48.26\00:14:49.41
It's good to be with you, Don.
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We're talking about a
very weighty matter that being
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weight loss and what not...
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And we're talking about
really how to address that.
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We talked a little
bit about food choices.
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Do we need to talk about
that anymore before we go on?
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Well, there is a lot
of about food choices
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that is SO important.
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You know, if I were to say
one food choice issue that's
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more important than another...
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We've talked about
that problem food issue,
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I mean, that is CRITICAL...
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But the OTHER
one... If someone says,
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"I really can't relate
to that " "Problem foods"...
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"I don't have any problem foods"
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The other VERY important
principle is eating more
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WHOLE, NATURAL,
PLANT-BASED FOODS.
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And I mean, it
harkens back in my mind...
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to the original diet
that the Creator gave.
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Now, I've got, Christians
in many walks of Christianity
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and a lot of them say,
"Yes, Dave, that's fine. "
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You can point to Genesis 1,
and you can say the ideal diet
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is a plant-based diet, but
"hey," I mean, Jesus Himself,
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I mean, God the Father, I mean
they instituted the sacrificial
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system... I mean,
animal sacrifices"
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"It wasn't a flesh-free diet. "
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But you know, it's very
interesting, Don, and AGAIN,
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I'm not a theologian here,
so some are going to want to
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call me to task...
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But I notice when God
seems to be preparing His people
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trying to really
communicate with them,
00:16:05.79\00:16:07.97
the truths of His character,
He often has a period of
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dietary change.
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It happened in the Wilderness,
and God LARGELY withdrew
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flesh foods from the
Israelites in the Wilderness.
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There still was the
sacrificial system, but MANNA
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was what they were
subsisting on... What is it?
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In Genesis, that
plant-based diet was designed
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for Adam and Eve who
were designed to LIVE FOREVER
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in intimate communion and
mental fellowship, as well as
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physical
fellowship with their Creator.
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What does all this have to
do with what I'm talking about?
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What it has to do with
what I'm talking about is
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there seemed to be
some unique benefits to that
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plant-based diet, and
it's clear when it comes to
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weight reduction,
because these plant foods,
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whether it's the fruits, the
whole grains, the vegetables,
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they tend to be
less calorically dense...
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Does that mean something to you?
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Well, it just means that they
are not as hard on your system
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That's right... they don't give
you as many CALORIES for sure
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I mean, if we took 2 big
vats... and we stick them here
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in front of us... you know one,
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each of them holds...
How big would a vat...
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5 gallons maybe?
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Two 5 gallon glass
vats, you know, on a
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table here in front of us.
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You fill one
with iceberg lettuce.
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You know, we smash it in there.
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You know, we use
all our strength.
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We just cram that
iceberg lettuce in.
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In another one, we
put milk chocolate in!
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Oh man, no question.
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Milk chocolate is going to
do you in... it's very dense.
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Yeah, a lot
more calories, right?
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Here's the issue...
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When we talk
about weight reduction,
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you don't have to cut
back on the amount you EAT
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if you cut back on
the caloric density.
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If you fill yourself up.
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If you satisfy yourself
with these plant-based foods,
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the fruits and the whole
grains, and the vegetables...
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You know, people at the
Lifestyle Center of America,
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when they come to our program,
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they don't come usually because
they want to be vegetarians.
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They know our
diet is vegetarian.
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You know, I'll
tell you a secret...
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We've had people
smuggle meat into the facility.
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Really, and didn't blow up?
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One guy... No
they didn't blow up.
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We don't search the rooms.
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He smuggled beef jerky in.
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He was so sure
he couldn't survive.
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But you know what he found?
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And he fessed up to this
at the end of the program...
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He found the food tasted great!
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He wasn't
having to deny himself.
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So here's the point...
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Calorically-dense foods over
here, the chocolate, the meat,
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the fat... If you eat those,
you're going to gain weight.
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If you want to lose
weight, you avoid them,
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and you SHIFT to
the plant-based diet.
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Not only does it
have less calories,
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it tends to be lower in SODIUM.
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Many people who are
carrying some extra pounds,
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have high blood pressure.
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Many of them, if you
drop that sodium content,
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the blood pressure comes down.
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Water follows the
salt... Water follows the salt.
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That's an interesting thing.
00:18:50.29\00:18:51.77
People with fluid
balance problems, they say,
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"Hey, stay away
from the water" Right?
00:18:53.84\00:18:55.62
No... as long as your heart is
fine and your kidneys are fine,
00:18:55.65\00:18:58.71
drinking more water actually
helps to get rid of sodium
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and actually gets
rid of excess fluid.
00:19:01.90\00:19:04.12
Same with watching
your sodium content.
00:19:04.15\00:19:06.47
The other thing when it comes
to these natural food choices,
00:19:06.50\00:19:10.29
is the form of the food.
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A lot of people think it
would be excellent to drink lots
00:19:11.68\00:19:18.00
of juice... you know juicing!
00:19:18.01\00:19:20.33
And I've got friends who
juice, and I've got patients
00:19:20.36\00:19:24.27
who said, "Listen
when I started juicing,
00:19:24.30\00:19:25.84
I started feeling a lot better"
00:19:25.87\00:19:27.29
Well you know WHAT?
00:19:27.32\00:19:28.68
Most Americans are not eating
enough fruits and VEGETABLES!
00:19:28.71\00:19:31.77
So SURE, drinking juice...
fruit juice and vegetable juice
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is going to give
you some benefits. Right
00:19:35.27\00:19:36.94
But when it comes
to the calories...
00:19:36.97\00:19:39.39
It increases It does...
00:19:39.42\00:19:41.00
Have you ever
made fruit juice, Don?
00:19:41.03\00:19:44.13
Carrot juice. Carrot
juice, you've made that? Yes
00:19:44.16\00:19:46.42
How about apple
juice? You ever made that?
00:19:46.45\00:19:47.71
Apple juice, celery juice.
00:19:47.72\00:19:48.93
How many apples does it take
to make a glass of apple juice?
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Man, it takes a lot! Yeah, it
depends on your juicer, I guess
00:19:51.19\00:19:53.38
but maybe 4 or 5
apples... Mine is a Champion.
00:19:54.22\00:19:56.03
It's a Champion? Okay,
so you make this apple juice
00:19:56.80\00:19:59.20
okay? Mackintosh apples...
00:19:59.23\00:20:00.92
Mackintosh, hey...
great, great. Ha, ha, ha
00:20:00.95\00:20:03.60
You drink that apple juice down.
00:20:03.63\00:20:04.60
How long did it take you to
drink a glass of apple juice?
00:20:04.63\00:20:06.84
Well, unfortunately it takes
me not very much time at all
00:20:06.87\00:20:09.80
to eat or drink
anything. Okay...
00:20:09.83\00:20:11.76
But it would take you a
lot longer to eat 8 apples,
00:20:11.79\00:20:14.17
or 5 apples. It
would... it would
00:20:14.20\00:20:15.63
Here's the issue...
00:20:15.66\00:20:17.03
The more you refine the food...
00:20:17.04\00:20:19.02
This was actually studied
in the medical literature.
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You take the apples, you put
them in the form of applesauce
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The applesauce,
same number of calories,
00:20:25.61\00:20:27.94
gives you much less
satisfaction per calorie.
00:20:27.97\00:20:30.77
You go the apple juice step...
00:20:30.80\00:20:33.70
much less
satisfaction per calorie.
00:20:33.74\00:20:36.98
If you want the most
satisfaction PER CALORIE,
00:20:37.02\00:20:40.15
CHEW IT... Eat
those whole fruits,
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those whole
vegetables, those whole grains.
00:20:42.92\00:20:44.96
The Creator really
gave us a program to help us
00:20:44.99\00:20:47.89
keep more trim.
00:20:47.90\00:20:49.36
Chew it - don't stew it...
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If you did, you blew
it. Something like that.
00:20:50.93\00:20:52.14
Wow, did you just
come up with that?
00:20:52.17\00:20:54.27
Just came up with
that. Boy, that's impressive!
00:20:54.30\00:20:56.77
Well okay, so, simple foods
as grown, back to that again.
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The Genesis diet...
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You know, you had mentioned
that God took people into the
00:21:03.30\00:21:06.40
and basically took
away all their meat;
00:21:06.43\00:21:10.13
gave them something
which they thought was bad,
00:21:10.16\00:21:12.70
but it turned out to
be very good... Manna
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But that kind of brings me
back to an issue that I think we
00:21:15.28\00:21:18.34
left kind of at the
break, and that is...
00:21:18.37\00:21:20.34
When should we eat?
00:21:20.35\00:21:21.97
When did God give that food?
00:21:22.00\00:21:23.51
When should we eat and
what should be the largest meal,
00:21:23.54\00:21:26.42
and how and when, and whatever.
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Well, I hadn't thought of
the parallel with the manna
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with the coming in the morning,
00:21:31.22\00:21:33.10
but meal timing is critical.
00:21:33.13\00:21:35.82
A lot of people say, "Yeah,
Dr. DeRose, I know that...
00:21:35.85\00:21:38.92
You know at night... you
know, you're just relaxing
00:21:38.95\00:21:41.50
and kicking back,
watching TV maybe...
00:21:41.53\00:21:43.70
so you don't burn the calories"
00:21:43.73\00:21:45.23
No, no no... it's
a LOT more than that.
00:21:45.26\00:21:47.52
You are actually a
different person, Don,
00:21:47.55\00:21:50.31
at night, than you
are in the morning.
00:21:50.34\00:21:52.69
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde...
00:21:52.72\00:21:54.05
Well, I hope it's not
quite that bad! Ha, ha, ha
00:21:54.08\00:21:56.55
I've never lived in your home.
00:21:56.58\00:21:58.12
I guess we did stay
in a home together once.
00:21:58.15\00:22:00.38
That's right, it was
okay... When we were traveling.
00:22:00.41\00:22:02.09
But here's the
situation... All right
00:22:02.12\00:22:04.39
Early in the
morning, your body is geared
00:22:04.42\00:22:08.25
for
productivity and performance,
00:22:08.28\00:22:10.35
Study after study shows
if you eat a good breakfast,
00:22:10.38\00:22:13.07
you perform better!
00:22:13.10\00:22:14.52
The body TAKES
calories, and transforms them
00:22:14.55\00:22:18.01
for output early in the day.
00:22:18.04\00:22:20.35
Later in the day, your body
moves into a restorative mode.
00:22:20.38\00:22:25.40
Instead of being like
you were early in the day,
00:22:25.43\00:22:28.98
the state of what
we call "lipolysis"
00:22:29.01\00:22:31.39
"Lipolysis"...
Yeah, lipo-lysis. Okay
00:22:31.42\00:22:34.56
Fat breakdown... that's favored
in the morning... lipolysis
00:22:34.59\00:22:37.52
Later in the day, as
you're restoring body processes,
00:22:37.55\00:22:42.37
you move into a
state of "lipogenesis"
00:22:42.40\00:22:45.72
Lipogenesis... The
creation of fat. Okay
00:22:45.75\00:22:49.11
So when you eat late at night,
00:22:49.14\00:22:50.83
what's happening is,
metabolically, your body is
00:22:50.86\00:22:54.58
primed to take those
calories and store them.
00:22:54.61\00:22:58.60
What we want to do
is, we want to shift our
00:22:58.63\00:23:00.50
caloric intake to
earlier in the morning.
00:23:00.53\00:23:02.77
And now, this
brings up another issue.
00:23:02.80\00:23:04.70
And this has been, I
think, misunderstood.
00:23:04.73\00:23:06.95
I've read a lot of the
medical literature out there,
00:23:06.98\00:23:09.34
and we always get
controversy in our program
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because we emphasize 2,
or at most 3 meals a day.
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We've always
got people saying...
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"Dr. DeRose, you know, my
dietician says, 5 meals, 6 meals
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7 meals, I have diabetes!"
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Let me guess, yeah, diabetics.
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"Yeah, I'm supposed to
eat throughout the whole day"
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You know what the
average diabetic...
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Do you know what
happening to that person?
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They're gaining
more and more weight,
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and their diabetes is getting
more and more out of control
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Because WEIGHT is one
of the things that causes
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insulin resistance.
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Insulin doesn't
work like it should.
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So I'm a diabetic
listening today, I should really
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have just 2 or 3 meals a day.
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Let me tell you
though, Don, before we change
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their meal schedule, we change
their medication schedule.
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And that's the beauty of a
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lifestyle center approach
probably. That's exactly it.
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When people come to our center,
or other centers like ours,
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it's a structured environment
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where the doctors
are working with them.
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We can change their medications.
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We can get them
on an optimal diet.
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We can often, in type 2 diabetes
get people off their insulin.
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A paper that we
presented in Washington, D.C.,
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at a big
national meeting in '98,
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we actually showed in a
series of diabetes patients
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70% of them, of the type 2
diabetics, who came on insulin,
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were OFF their
insulin in just 19 days.
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Amazing! And most of them
are overweight, cause we're
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talking about overweight,
and that addresses it
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SO, is it fair to say then
that if we eat a big breakfast,
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we're going to lose weight?
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Well, actually it really should
probably start, Don, at night
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Because if you eat
the big meal at night,
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I'll tell you, you can
get up as early as you want
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in the morning...
You're not going to be hungry
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I mean, you probably
still got food sitting in your
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stomach from the night before.
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SO, if you cut
out that evening meal,
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you're going to lose weight.
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That's often where it starts.
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And again, if you're on
medication for blood sugar,
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you've got to do this
with a doctor's supervision.
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Watching... Definitely!
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But dropping off that evening
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meal is a power...
and it's been studied!
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It's been studied in
the medical literature.
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You change your
meal-timing, you lose weight.
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Now, I'm a nurse,
but I'm also a minister,
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and I was gripped by that story
from Exodus that you shared.
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When you look at that story,
you only could get the food
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till 12 noon... it melted away.
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You couldn't get
up at night and eat!
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And if you tried to keep
it overnight, it went BAD!
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You couldn't have a BIG evening
meal! Isn't that amazing?
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Could God have known
about the Lifestyle Center?
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Maybe that was
His Lifestyle Center?
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Hopefully, the
Lifestyle Center is learning
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what God has been
trying to teach us
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for a long time,
and we're sharing that.
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That's our vision, Don.
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Amazing... So, anything
else about the times that
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we should eat... BIG
breakfast before what... 9 AM?
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I don't like to
specify the times,
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because, you know,
different people are on
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different
schedules; but what we find
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is many people
have weight problems
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...That evening meal is
what really sabotages them
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And a lot of
people, one of the keys...
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In fact, a woman in
our program right now
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at the Lifestyle Center
of America, just left...
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She saw me when she arrived...
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She had talked with me
several months before coming.
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She said, "Dr. DeRose,
that suggestion worked. "
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She was frustrated!
She was a young lady
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actually fairly thin, but still
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had a little bit
of weight to lose...
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She didn't know what to do.
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I suggested leaving
off the evening meal.
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She said, it worked!
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That was the secret for her.
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You know, I've
tried the 2 meals a day,
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and I go back and
forth with that, and 3...
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And the reason is, and this
is probably the last thing we
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can talk about...
But the reason is because
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it's GOOD for me if I
eat at 9 and, say, 3 o'clock,
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and nothing else...
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But it doesn't work out
with ANYONE ELSE'S schedule
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that I have to deal
with, and food is such a social
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thing where
barriers are broken down.
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What do you say to someone
that has that type of job?
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Well I say, Don...
"Welcome to the real world. "
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You know we can talk
about all the ideals,
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but, you know, the Lord
will help you to say which
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of the ideals can I incorporate
in my real life. Sure
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I mean, Jesus stayed
up all night sometimes.
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Was that a healthful
practice? Not for melatonin.
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Yeah, but you know what?
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God was leading
His Son to do that. Yes
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He did NOTHING but
what the Father revealed.
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And so you can
look on the surface,
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and you can say, "Well,
that's really not the best. "
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But listen, I know God's
leading in your ministry,
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and He will continue to do it.
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He'll lead our viewers as
they take these principles...
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They say, "Lord, what
would You have me to do?"
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Give them the guidance and the
power to put it into practice.
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We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose,
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and we've been
talking about weight,
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how to get rid of it,
and how to keep it off
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in a healthy way.
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If you'd like more information,
contact the Lifestyle Center at
00:27:44.74\00:27:48.84
www. lifestylecenter. org
00:27:48.85\00:27:52.67
or contact us here at 3ABN
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And thanks for watching.
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We hope you have health
that lasts for a lifetime.
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