Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh
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and you're in for
a real treat today
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We have with us Dr. DeRose
from Lifestyle Center of America
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I'm glad that
you're with us, David.
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Good to be with you, Don.
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What do you do there exactly
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at the Lifestyle
Center of America?
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Well actually, I
work with a team...
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It's a great
privilege to work with a team of
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Christian health
professionals who really try to
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move people not in the
direction of using more
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medications and drugs,
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but actually looking at
what can we do with lifestyle.
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What kind of simple
things can we take advantage of
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that can make a
difference in our health.
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And so people come to our
center with conditions like
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heart disease, diabetes, weight
problems, high blood pressure.
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They come with risk
factors, high cholesterol...
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They come with concerns about
diabetes in a family member
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...I don't want
this to happen to me.
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And so, these are the kind
of issues that motivate people
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that come to our center.
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We work with them in
a residential setting.
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We help them get on an
excellent exercise program,
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a good diet... and all that is
done under a medical umbrella.
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I, as an MD, other physicians on
our staff work with them, nurses
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We have a dietician there.
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We have an exercise physiologist
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...a team of exercise trainers.
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So really, a
whole range of people...
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professional health educators...
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so really try to give a
very well-rounded experience
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in a short time.
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It's a beautiful location too.
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I've been there... sort
of up on the mountain there
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and it is a nice setting.
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You know, one of the big
concerns that people have today
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is their weight...
at least it would seem.
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Is this a big
problem in America?
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I mean, it's really a
tremendous concern from a
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public health standpoint.
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Don, in the last 10
years, the average American
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has gained 8 pounds.
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So, as our viewers
are sitting here watching,
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and if they've
gained more than that,
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that's above the
average, but the point is
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the average person is
gaining and with weight gain,
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comes increasing risk
of certain types of cancer,
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increased heart disease risk,
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increased problems
with osteoarthritis...
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the wear and tear
arthritis that can affect hips,
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and knees, and
ankles, especially when you're
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bearing a lot of weight...
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high blood pressure,
diabetes, all on that list
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of problems that
RISE as our weight rises.
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Why are we
gaining weight like that?
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Well, the evidence
points to our LIFESTYLE!
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I mean, our genetics
really haven't changed... Um hm
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Our lifestyles have though.
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We're sitting in front
of the TV a lot more...
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We're driving a lot more.
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I mean, I can even
remember as a kid...
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Now maybe this is dating
me, but we could walk to the
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grocery store
Sounds unheard of...
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Why would you do that?
Yeah it's crazy, isn't it?
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But that was not uncommon.
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What do we do today?
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We get in our cars, and we
drive here, we drive there.
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What kind of
work do we do? Um hm
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We're a HIGH TECH society...
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we're sitting at desks,
we're doing office jobs,
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we're in the service industry.
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You know, we're working
with the internet and the media.
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And all these things,
many of these TREMENDOUS
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technologic advances...
but what's happening to us
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as far as lifestyle?
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We're getting more
sedentary, more inactive...
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and then our diets...
Are our diets getting better?
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Ahhhh BIGGER, but not better.
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Bigger, yeah, but not better.
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That's what tends to happen.
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What about young people...
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I've heard a lot about, you
know teenagers that even are now
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getting big. REAL
concerns, real concerns,
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And one of the AREAS that really
highlights this is DIABETES
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because both inactivity,
poor dietary choices,
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and weight gain, all
contribute to that diagnosis.
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The adult-onset diabetes...
that's what we used to call it
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We can't call it that anymore.
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We call it diabetes
type 2, or type 2 diabetes.
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WHY? There are kids as
young as 5 years old, in America
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that have type 2
diabetes! Oh man!
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That is sad! So
what's the answer?
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I see at the end of my street...
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before I, you know, came
down here, got on the plane,
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traveled over here...
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It says, "Lose 30 pounds in
3 days" or whatever 30 days...
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Is that the answer?
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Unfortunately not.
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I mean, it's bad news to a
lot of people listening to us
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but people WANT the quick fix.
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You get motivated... you know
we're going to be talking about
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how you can trim down a
little bit on the program today
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and someone is going
to say "YEAH, 30 pounds"
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They come to our
center that way, Don.
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They come to our 19-day program,
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and they want to lose 50 pounds!
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We've only had one
person lose 40 or 50 pounds
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in our 19-day program. Um hm
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Was that through
amputation? Ha, ha, ha
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Actually, it was
against our medical advice.
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He got so excited about some
fasting early in the program...
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he felt that he was
called to do a 40-day fast.
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Now this might sound
like an amusing story,
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but we were having to
work with him and make sure
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he got
nutritional supplementation...
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I kept discouraging this guy.
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We use short fasts...
they have a role in a number of
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disease states.
By short, 3-5 days.
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And he left our program
after 19 days, still determined
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he was going to stick
with this 40 day fast.
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And believe me, we
were praying for him.
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And we're glad that he
felt, because he had a number of
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other problems, that he
shouldn't continue that fast...
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I heard about a week
later, when I talked with him,
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that he had come off the fast.
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Boy, that... so diets and
this type of thing is really...
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It's not the BEST
way to go about it.
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The reason why it's
such an excellent example,
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is because I was
trying to tell this guy...
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Yeah, it's fine, you can lose a
lot of weight with a total fast,
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but it's
DANGEROUS, it's RISKY...
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And we were checking blood
on him, and he had us scared
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because... you know we let
people kind of run their own
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show when they're at
the Lifestyle Center.
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If someone doesn't want to fast,
you know, they don't have to.
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If someone wants to fast
for 19 days, we never once
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FORCE food into
this guy's mouth.
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But we were concerned.
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The point was, he hadn't learned
the optimal lifestyle when he
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went back home.
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So it was kind of an
artificial thing where
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you can't really
LIVE that way forever.
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That's right, and that's what
many of these diets are, Don.
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Even though it's
not a total fast,
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people say, "Look-it.
Hey! graduation is coming,
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family reunion is coming,
25th high school reunion is
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coming, I'm going
to LOSE the weight;
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I'm going to wear that dress;
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I'm going to, you know, LOOK
really trim"... good for that
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and die the
next... Yeah! That's it.
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And then they go out
and binge the next day.
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Don, when I work with patients,
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I'd rather have
them make small changes,
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that they're going to
stick with... than HUGE CHANGES
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that there's no possibility
they're going to stick with
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for the rest of their life.
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Oh man... So, really, it takes
a long time to gain the weight
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It's going to take a
while to get rid of it.
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Definitely, and you DON"T
WANT to just lose the water
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and lose the fat
and the muscle with it.
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If you lose weight
rapidly like on a fast,
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you are losing muscle mass.
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Protein... You're losing protein
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And MUSCLE MASS is
what drives your metabolism.
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This is one of the reasons
why people tend to yo-yo.
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You lose the weight rapidly...
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it's going to
tend to come back on,
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and you're going to
tend to gain even more.
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So, you don't want
to lose the protein...
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So do we need a
high protein diets?
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You know, a lot of people
think that's the solution.
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The high protein diets
are very scary to a lot of us
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in the public health arena.
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The reason why...
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If you look at the
foods that people are eating,
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not only do these foods
RAISE some of the more recently
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appreciated heart
disease risk factors,
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at least the research
indicates they SHOULD,
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I haven't seen anyone study
these diets in that respect...
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Like homocysteine, a
well-appreciated risk factor
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now for heart disease.
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What about cancer risk?
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There's a body of research
literature that suggests
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as we increase our
animal product consumption,
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we increase our risk for cancer.
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What about kidney risk?
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Kidney risk is a
concern because animal protein
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seems to be hard on the kidney.
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So there's a LIST of concerns.
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A very interesting concern
was raised by researchers at the
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"Massachusetts
Institute of Technology"
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The Workmans, brain
chemistry researchers there,
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raised this concern with
the high protein diets...
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High protein diets
seem calculated to LOWER
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a good chemical in your
brain called "serotonin"
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Oh... that's not good.
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...People are taking
drugs to raise serotonin today.
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You know, the Prozacs
and Effexors, and things,
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they RAISE serotonin...
they help fight depression.
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Here's the concern
the Workmans have...
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People stick with these
high protein diets for a while,
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and they're suggesting
it's going to increase
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their likelihood for relapse.
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It's going to decrease
their mood over time...
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and they're going to throw in
the towel and not stick with it.
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And there's a common scenario...
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whether it's the
brain chemistry linkage,
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or just getting sick and tired
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of having bacon
and eggs 3 times a day.
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So that the main things
against the protein diet
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are #1... what it
does to your body itself.
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There are long-term concerns...
there are long-term concerns
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And you can't live that way...
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Isn't that sort of
like a starvation diet?
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I mean, that's the other thing,
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if someone really tells me...
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"Hey Dr. DeRose, I'm
going to stick with this diet
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for the rest of my life"
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And I say, "...
You know, I'm worried"
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because all of the
cancer literature...
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I mean, a while back
I looked at, you know,
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over 100 studies that
looked at fruit and vegetable
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consumption in
cancer prevention.
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Almost without exception,
Don, those studies show
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...Eat more fruits.
Eat more vegetables...
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You decrease your
risk of cancer. Um hm
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It's not that way when it comes
to meat, and animal products.
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And that's what
these people are pushing.
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So they say, "I want to lower my
weight, I want to look better"
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"Hey, I even
lowered my cholesterol"
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...some of them are
finding on these diets.
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But what's
happening to your cancer risk?
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CANCER is going to be the
leading killer of Americans
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in the near future!
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Heart disease rates coming down.
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Stroke rates coming down.
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And I'll tell you, when it comes
to the leading cause of death,
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cancer is going to be
on the top of the list
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and I am VERY much afraid of
pushing these animal products
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that tend to be associated
in all the population studies
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with higher cancer risk.
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What's the real
issue with people that
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have a problem with weight?
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Do you find that
it's just the weight,
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or is there something deeper?
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Well you know Don, the
FIRST thing I like to emphasize
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when we talk about
weight concerns is that
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God accepts you
right where you're at.
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You know, a lot of people
today have labels stuck on them
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because you're
carrying some extra weight...
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And when people come to
the Lifestyle Center of America
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we don't try to put
a guilt trip on them...
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We don't try to say... you know
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Or belittle them or anything...
Right, right, not at all.
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What we try to do is we...
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Listen, these are
our brothers and sisters
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and they've got struggles...
I've got struggles too!
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It may not be a weight struggle,
by the way, just for the record,
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it's not... you know,
you don't have to worry,
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I don't have anorexia... Okay
I don't feel I'm overweight.
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But here's the issue...
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Don, if someone
can't accept the fact that
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God accepts them
JUST the way they are.
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That they don't
have to lose 50 pounds,
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or 100 pounds, or 200 pounds
to be okay in God's eyes...
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then they're working
at a huge disadvantage
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because the STABILITY in
any lifestyle change comes
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when someone recognizes
that there's a loving Creator
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a loving Redeemer who wants to
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help them to
achieve optimal health.
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So as a
Christian physician there,
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and the Christian physicians
at the Lifestyle Center,
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you find that these types
of things start to come up
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it's really...
some of these issues
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Very common, very common in
our society... think about it
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We put labels on people...
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And you know what, you
CAN'T SEE a lot of problems.
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You can't see a lot
of weaknesses in people,
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but you can see when
someone has a weakness
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that's
contributed to weight gain.
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Now I SAY that also putting
one other thing in the equation
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And that is, a lot of people
with weight-gain tendencies
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...maybe even all of
them, Don, have other things
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in their background
that they can't control...
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Genetic factors,
early life history factors,
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factors in your mother's womb...
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I mean... affect
our body weight today...
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affect our tendency to
be heavy, or to be thin,
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our risk of
diabetes, and other diseases...
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What do we have
to do with that? ZERO
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And it doesn't really
mean... Just because I'm thin,
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or you may be thin, or that we
really are that healthy, does it
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Not necessarily.
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The interesting
thing is, if someone says,
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"Look at... I recognize there
are problems in my lifestyle
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that's one of the reasons
why I'm carrying extra weight"
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Don, that's where I
want the focus to be
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Because those lifestyle
changes not only help us to
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trim down, they
increase the quality of our life
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they give us other dividends.
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We're talking
with Dr. David DeRose
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from the
"Lifestyle Center of America "
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He recently has just, along
with his team, published a paper
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on some of the things
we're talking about today.
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They have a lot of
resources, and resources about
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this dialog we're having today.
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If you'd like to
get in touch with them,
00:13:22.60\00:13:23.75
you could contact them at
the Lifestyle Center of America
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web page at
WWW.lifestylecenter. org
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or you could contact
us here at 3ABN and we can
00:13:30.75\00:13:33.49
get you in touch with Dr.
DeRose or the others there
00:13:33.52\00:13:36.07
on his excellent staff.
00:13:36.10\00:13:38.53
Maybe you have a
problem with weight...
00:13:38.56\00:13:40.49
maybe you know
someone that does...
00:13:40.52\00:13:41.88
Give them a call and join us
00:13:41.91\00:13:43.50
when we come back
to the second half.
00:13:43.53\00:13:44.83
We're going to look at
what those lifestyle factors are
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that we should be
focusing on are...
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how we can
address those in ways...
00:13:49.74\00:13:51.68
how they do it there
at the Lifestyle Center...
00:13:51.71\00:13:53.05
how YOU can start
to make changes now
00:13:53.08\00:13:54.78
So join us when we come back!
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Welcome back... we've been
talking with Dr. David DeRose
00:14:59.42\00:15:04.04
from the
Lifestyle Center of America
00:15:04.07\00:15:05.27
and we've been talking
about a major concern in America
00:15:05.30\00:15:07.53
that being obesity,
or being overweight.
00:15:07.54\00:15:10.04
And we've talked about some
of the issues that are involved
00:15:10.07\00:15:13.11
with the
magnitude of the problem,
00:15:13.14\00:15:14.83
about how to address it...
00:15:14.86\00:15:16.12
And about what NOT to do,
protein diets, yo-yo diets,
00:15:16.15\00:15:20.07
whatever!
00:15:20.10\00:15:21.24
But we want to look now a little
bit more at lifestyle factors.
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What really should
we be looking at...
00:15:24.40\00:15:26.01
What do you look at there at
the Lifestyle Center of America
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What can our
viewers start to look at,
00:15:28.27\00:15:29.92
even today, in their lives?
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Well I mean, the 2
biggest factors that people
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ALWAYS talk about
are diet and exercise.
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And Don, I can see
people listening to the show
00:15:36.20\00:15:38.66
and ohhh... they'll yawn, and oh
diet and exercise again, right?
00:15:38.69\00:15:42.51
But you know,
there are a lot of things
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about diet and exercise that
people DON'T keep in perspective
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Such as?... I'll tell
you the most important one
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You know, I used to be the
medical director of a large
00:15:49.25\00:15:52.10
hospital-based
weight loss program...
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There in Orlando, Florida,
I used to see lots of people
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that came to our
programs, and I'll tell you...
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One of the things that struck
me was one of the root problems
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when it comes to eating...
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Is that most people don't
know the difference between
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hunger and appetite. Hmmm
00:16:10.94\00:16:14.73
Can you relate to that?
I can relate to that. Okay
00:16:14.76\00:16:17.24
A lot of people CAN'T.
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You know, in fact, when
I first heard the concepts
00:16:18.53\00:16:20.88
some 20 years ago, I
said... "What... way?"
00:16:20.91\00:16:22.60
Hunger and appetite...
Aren't they the same thing?
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When I use the term "hunger"
I'm talking about a TRUE
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physiologic need for
food that your body senses.
00:16:29.73\00:16:33.60
When I talk about appetite,
00:16:33.63\00:16:35.53
I'm talking about a
desire for food that MAY
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or MAY NOT be in harmony
with your body's true needs.
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How do you tell the difference?
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A very important question!
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You know, you wouldn't
ask that question of an infant
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on this show, would you?
00:16:48.07\00:16:49.08
No, they'd just start to cry
and you'd know... That's right!
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Actually, the
interesting thing about infants
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is they know the difference.
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You try to get an infant
to overeat... what do they do?
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You know, they spit it out,
turn their head away... Right?
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Right. Well, I'm looking forward
to that... Yeah, I know you are.
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Let me tell you
what's interesting...
00:17:08.06\00:17:09.57
What happens to us as we go
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through this social
acculturation, if you will...
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we start to learn to
eat not for hunger...
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You know, you skinned your
knee... here, have a cookie!
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You got a good grade
on your report card...
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Here have an ice cream cone.
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Yeah! It's hey,
Johnny's having his birthday...
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He brought cupcakes to school!
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We learn to eat for all kinds
of reasons beside hunger...
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And so we've lost the sense...
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So how do you
learn the difference?
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You've got to
start listening again.
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Dr. DeRose, people tell me...
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"How can I start
listening again?"
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Several things
have to happen, Don,
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if people want to
learn to tell the difference.
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#1- They've got to
slow down... Slow down.
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Be in touch with themselves.
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Be in touch
with themselves! Okay
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You know, most Christians
have a tradition of praying
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before they eat... Um hm
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Pray to the LORD to
help you NOT to overeat.
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Pray that God would
give you insight into knowing
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when your hunger
is satisfied. Um hm
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Slow down the
temple of eating...
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You know, my wife was telling
me, when she was in high school;
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she was at a school... it
was a boarding high school,
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and they had a
work-study program...
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And she had something
like, you know, 15 minutes
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to get to the cafeteria
to eat, and to get to her
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next assignment.
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Now this is common in America.
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And how can you slow
down when you're eating
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on a 15 minute lunch break?
I don't know... You can't.
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You gotta take time to eat.
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How do people... what
kind of practical suggestions
00:18:37.27\00:18:40.16
can we give them? Have
you heard any... yourself
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when people talk about slowing
their temple of eating...
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I've heard zwieback...
I've heard different things
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that can be...
Zwieback is very dry toast
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that will make you slow
down that you can't do it.
00:18:51.36\00:18:54.21
You know, even
John Harvey Kellogg,
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he had all these ideas
of how to masticate SLOWLY
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and to count the number
of times you chew your food.
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That's one of the techniques.
00:19:05.06\00:19:06.12
Some of the folks that go
through our program at the
00:19:06.15\00:19:08.12
Lifestyle Center, they
say, "Yeah, I learned to chew
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20 or 30 bites, or
40 bites each time... "
00:19:10.93\00:19:14.04
I think that's kind of
artificial... personally.
00:19:14.07\00:19:16.35
But if that works for someone...
hey, go ahead and do that!
00:19:16.38\00:19:19.38
What's more practical
if it comes to chewing,
00:19:19.39\00:19:21.59
is chew the food until it's a
creamy consistency in your mouth
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I mean, that's a
little bit more realistic.
00:19:25.68\00:19:27.50
And if you're eating
dry toast, or zwieback,
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I mean, you're going to
really have to chew the food
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for quite a while, right? Right
00:19:31.94\00:19:33.49
Another technique... AGE-OLD
technique when it comes to
00:19:33.52\00:19:36.32
weight reduction programs,
is put your utensil down
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between bites... you know, get
out of this mode of, you know,
00:19:39.40\00:19:41.77
kind of just shoveling
the food into your mouth.
00:19:41.80\00:19:43.93
Now talking to you,
it seems like you would
00:19:43.96\00:19:45.89
be one that eats rapidly...
00:19:45.93\00:19:47.27
It does seem
that way, doesn't it?
00:19:47.31\00:19:48.86
But you know what? I
believe in rhythm in life, Don
00:19:48.89\00:19:52.45
All right... And there are times
when we need to be energetic
00:19:52.47\00:19:55.08
and we need to be
going, and going full-steam...
00:19:55.11\00:19:57.45
And there are other times when
you can just kind of cool down
00:19:57.48\00:19:59.92
and relax, and
mealtime is one of those times.
00:19:59.95\00:20:03.04
And you slow down... you just...
That's the time when I slow down
00:20:03.05\00:20:05.65
as much as I can.
Ha, ha, ha... okay good!
00:20:05.68\00:20:10.58
Any food choice? Oh exercise!
00:20:10.61\00:20:13.96
Wait... I don't want to slip
away from this hunger-appetite
00:20:13.99\00:20:15.76
because you asked such a good
question... This is a BIG one!
00:20:15.79\00:20:17.83
It's a BIG one.
All right, go ahead.
00:20:17.87\00:20:19.30
And... I've got a
favorite story All right
00:20:19.34\00:20:23.00
Again, it happened to
my wife, she's a great lady
00:20:23.03\00:20:25.81
She's also got
some great stories...
00:20:25.84\00:20:27.35
And she may not watch this, so
you'll be okay... Yeah I'm safe
00:20:27.38\00:20:30.48
But she was invited out to eat,
00:20:30.51\00:20:32.48
and this is not an
unusual occurrence,
00:20:32.51\00:20:35.02
I mean, she's a very
charming person... so
00:20:35.03\00:20:36.89
But anyway, she was
invited out to eat before we
00:20:36.92\00:20:38.84
got married, even...
this was some time ago
00:20:38.87\00:20:41.08
And she was sitting there
eating a delicious meal prepared
00:20:41.11\00:20:45.15
The hostess was there, and her 2
children were there at the meal
00:20:45.18\00:20:48.35
But, you know what,
there was a problem...
00:20:48.38\00:20:50.54
It was getting to be time
for dessert, and you know what?
00:20:50.57\00:20:54.35
Johnny still had his
celery stick on his plate...
00:20:54.38\00:20:58.28
Can't have that...
We can't have that but
00:20:58.31\00:21:00.23
you know, she
was a good hostess;
00:21:00.26\00:21:01.79
she didn't want to make
everyone wait for apparently
00:21:01.82\00:21:04.19
healthy dessert, and so
she brought out these cookies.
00:21:04.22\00:21:07.64
And so everyone is
eating the cookies EXCEPT Johnny
00:21:07.67\00:21:10.85
because he still has the
celery stick on his plate.
00:21:10.88\00:21:15.21
Finally, Johnny says, "Mommy
could I please have a cookie?"
00:21:15.24\00:21:19.50
She said, "Johnny, not until
you eat your celery stick. "
00:21:19.53\00:21:23.53
"But mommy, I don't have
room for my celery stick. "
00:21:23.56\00:21:27.38
"Johnny, then you don't
have room for a cookie. "
00:21:27.39\00:21:31.27
"Mommy, you don't understand,
I don't have a big, long place
00:21:31.28\00:21:35.40
in my stomach for a celery stick
00:21:35.43\00:21:37.03
but I got a little
round space for a cookie!"
00:21:37.06\00:21:39.32
Ha, ha, ha, ha... Why do
I tell that story when it
00:21:39.35\00:21:42.43
comes to differentiate
hunger from appetite?
00:21:42.46\00:21:45.76
JOHNNY may just not have liked
celery, but on the other hand,
00:21:45.79\00:21:50.81
it may have been his appetite
that was calling for a cookie.
00:21:50.84\00:21:53.48
You know Don, appetite usually
calls for specific foods.
00:21:53.49\00:21:57.49
So if someone's wondering
whether it's hunger or appetite,
00:21:57.52\00:22:00.40
and they're wanting to
have their 4th serving of the
00:22:00.43\00:22:03.07
vegetarian lasagna, say...
you know, it's a HEALTHY food!
00:22:03.10\00:22:06.07
Why can't I have 4 servings?
00:22:06.10\00:22:07.79
Try the "substitution test"
00:22:07.80\00:22:10.91
if you're wondering if
it's hunger or appetite.
00:22:10.94\00:22:12.85
If it's hunger, you'd be
willing to eat anything that's
00:22:12.88\00:22:16.37
an acceptable choice for you.
00:22:16.40\00:22:17.94
Maybe you don't like
celery sticks as well,
00:22:17.95\00:22:20.90
or carrot sticks,
but if you're HUNGRY,
00:22:20.93\00:22:22.69
you'll eat those if that's
all that's available. Right
00:22:22.72\00:22:24.69
But if you say, "NO" I'm
only hungry for lasagna!"
00:22:24.72\00:22:27.67
Then that's appetite...
00:22:27.68\00:22:28.72
That's almost always appetite.
00:22:28.75\00:22:30.38
So just another little...
00:22:30.41\00:22:31.41
If you want the kale and the
kumquats and the... cassavas,...
00:22:31.44\00:22:34.67
you're probably
okay... probably okay
00:22:34.70\00:22:36.53
But if you switch
and it doesn't work...
00:22:36.56\00:22:40.33
That's right... that's
just a little technique
00:22:40.36\00:22:42.26
I'll tell you one other
technique as we're talking
00:22:42.29\00:22:44.12
about this because I
believe if we were to say
00:22:44.15\00:22:47.32
there is one principle
more important than any other...
00:22:47.33\00:22:49.53
is the
"hunger-appetite principle"
00:22:49.56\00:22:51.80
Now some people think I'm
taking liberties with this, Don
00:22:51.81\00:22:54.20
But I want to just... before
I tell you this last technique
00:22:54.23\00:22:57.87
I want to tell you...
Ah, I don't need to tell you
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You know about this... What?
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Our Lord, when He was
there in the wilderness.
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What was he
first tempted on? FOOD!
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Food... Turn
this stone into bread.
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Now, like I said... some people
will say I'm taking liberty
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but I believe that
our Lord overcame for us
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in the wilderness on
the subject of appetite.
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That God wants to give
us VICTORY in that area.
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He wants to give us,
not only insight but power.
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But you know, power
is of NO GOOD unless we
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recognize the
need for the power.
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So He wants to show
us... He wants to help us
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differentiate between
the 2 and to trust in Him.
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Let me give you that other
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remedy now... Okay,
what's the other one?
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That's DRINKING WATER between
meals, not WITH our meals.
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You know what happens
when people drink beverages
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with their meal?
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It takes longer for the food to
digest... It does, that's true.
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If you dilute the
contents of the stomach,
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stomach emptying is slowed...
That is true. All right
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But it ALSO provides an
incentive... if you will
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not to chew the
food thoroughly. Hmm
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People WASH their food
down! Yeah, that's right.
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And so NOT having
the beverage at the meal,
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drinking our
water between meals...
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So we HAVE to chew it...
That's what we want to do.
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It has to become salubrious.
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And all the
saliva has to be there
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and masticate it, and
it's chewed up. That's right.
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Improves digestion,
slows their temple of eating.
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Allows the Lord to
communicate with our brain...
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Tell us when our
hunger is satisfied,
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and then He gives us
the POWER to stop eating.
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Drop the drinks!
What about exercise?
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Is that something we should do?
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It's vital, Don. It's VITAL.
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Listen... He slows
down to drink there
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Exercise... You know many people
today, and I have to share
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a little bit of research
from the Lifestyle Center.
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This is a paper
that we presented at the
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"American College of Sports
Medicine" in June 2000... Okay
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And it got a lot of attention
there, and it's continuing
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to get attention
because what we found is that
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NOT all exercise is equal
when it comes to weight loss.
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Okay, what's the difference?
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Now most people think...
it's stupid, of course NOT all
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exercise is equal.
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You know what we found
at the Lifestyle Center?
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We actually did... what we
call "prospective research"
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We got a group of
people from the community,
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who were volunteers to
be in an exercise study...
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ALL of them were sedentary.
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None of them were
exercising before the study.
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We divided them into 3 groups.
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One group is what we
call the control group.
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They just keep being inactive.
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The second group...
continuous aerobic exercise
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That's the kind of the mantra
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in the exercise
field today. Right?
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Just keep doing it,
do it, stick with it,
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keep your heart rate up!
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The other group, we
put on what we call...
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"interval training exercise"
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Short bursts of
exercise like 30 seconds
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followed by 30 seconds of rest.
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I could deal with that...
You could deal with that.
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Our patients can deal with
it... You know what happened?
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The ones on the
interval training program
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lost triple the weight. WOW!
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They lost triple the
weight AND they lost body fat.
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The group exercising
continuously did not.
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Remarkable!
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So a little dab will do ya.
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And you know what, Don?
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In the Garden of
Eden, God gave Adam and Eve
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USEFUL exercise.
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They were to dress
the Garden and to keep it.
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I DON'T THINK Adam and Eve
were checking their pulses.
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Out there for 8 hours...
doing a marathon trim job.
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When we do useful work,
we do interval training!
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And this research is validating
that you don't have to
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KILL yourself in
the gym to lose weight.
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And you will lose weight if
you kill yourself in the gym.
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We have about a minute left...
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Summarize what we've said
thus far, doctor, if you can
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and just other hints
concerning weight reduction...
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so we can just GET
STARTED on that path.
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Okay, to get started on
the path of weight reduction,
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we want to be
mindful of how we eat.
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Slow the temple of eating.
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Ask God to give you insights
into when your hunger is
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satisfied and stop eating.
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If you've got a
question, just stop.
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And exercise
doesn't have to kill you...
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of course tongue-in-cheek,
but moderate exercise
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is good! Gardening is GOOD when
it comes to weight reduction.
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We've been talking
with Dr. David DeRose
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from the
Lifestyle Center of America
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If you're like me,
you've learned a LOT in this
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short program that
we've had together.
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You want more
information if you're like me.
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Let me tell you how you
can get that information.
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First of all, you can contact
Dr. DeRose and the others
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there at the" Lifestyle
Center of America" by contacting
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them at their web page,
WWW.lifestylecenter. org
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Organization - org
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Or, you can call us here
at 3ABN and get their contact
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information here from us.
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They have handouts that
go with all of these types of
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presentations like
you are seeing today...
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And we hope that, as a result
of what you've learned here,
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and in contacting them,
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you'll have health
that lasts for a lifetime.
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