Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh
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We're glad you're with us today,
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and we hope that as a
result of today's program,
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you're going to have HEALTH!
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You know, today, we
have a special guest who can
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talk with us about
that, Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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Welcome doctor!
Thank you very much, Don
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I love your name, I've
said it now a few times,
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and it has that
French ring to it,
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but also it just
makes you feel COMFORTABLE!
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"Zeno Charles-Marcel"
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Yeah, I feel pretty
comfortable with it too.
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You're used to it... You
like to live with that name.
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You know, you are a
doctor of internal medicine...
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How many years
did you go to school?
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Ohhh... too many!
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Sometimes we call
it "eternal medicine"
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Quite a long time you
had to go to medical school,
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then you did a residency and
then probably more after that.
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Yes, and I'm also
subspecialized in geriatrics.
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Okay, excellent!
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And then, you're also
an associate professor
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there at Loma Linda!
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At Loma Linda
University, that's correct.
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Well we're glad that you could
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take some time out
of your busy schedule...
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And also, you work
in what's called...
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"preventive medicine" or
so-called "lifestyle medicine"
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I believe you work at The
Lifestyle Center of America
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there in
Oklahoma. That's correct
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And, tell us a little bit
about that Lifestyle Center...
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How long has it been there?
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Well, we opened
our doors in 1996,
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and it's just one of
the lifestyle centers
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that exist around the country;
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we're not technically
associated with each other...
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But it's kind of the
legacy that has been set forth
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that prompted the development
of "The Battle Creek Sanitarium"
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W A Y back in the 1800s.
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These Lifestyle
Centers are getting a lot of
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press these days.
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They're actually getting funding
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by government
agencies now because they WORK!
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That's true! Is that right?
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We are not funded YET
by government agencies,
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but some are looking at ways
of being able to have that done
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But the
principles, like for instance,
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Dr. Dean Ornish
with all his studies,
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and some people are
familiar with that...
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with the
low-fat, low-cholesterol,
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high-carbohydrate diet.
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They're seeing that that
works and they're starting to
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at least do studies
that may lead to that.
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So you guys are really
on the cutting edge. Yes
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Now, at The Lifestyle Center
of America, among others...
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I know you're trying to
be self-depreciating there...
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in that sense, like you said
to me, you don't want to just
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always talk about your program,
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or what you're doing there,
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but I want to talk
about WHY it WORKS.
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What happens PHYSICALLY
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to people when they go
through a program like that.
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What happens MENTALLY
in a program like that.
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What happens to, you
know, people SPIRITUALLY.
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What happens to
people PHYSICALLY
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when they go
through your program?
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I'd step back a little bit
and start off with saying that
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simple, natural remedies;
simple approaches to things
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applied in faith can actually
produce supernatural results...
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And that's what we see at
The Lifestyle Center of America
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and we see in other Lifestyle
Centers around the country.
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Simple lifestyle measures
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applied in faith get
results. That's correct.
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Sounds like something
out of the New Testament;
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sounds like
something out of the Bible!
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Actually, it's a principle
that is found in the Bible.
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And having faith and trust
in God to hold Him at His Word
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...you know, He
SAYS, what we should eat,
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and He has given us instructions
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and we're just
following those things.
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So the top 3 killers in America,
let me see if I'm right...
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Heart disease, #1 Stroke, #2
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Cancer #3 That's correct
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What's #4? Diabetes
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What's #5? I think
AIDS is coming up there
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Accidents are high...
Pneumonia, infectious diseases.
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Lung problems. Chronic
obstructive lung disease
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Okay, those kind of things.
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Are all those kind of things you
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see there at The
Lifestyle Center?
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We see all of those,
but we pay more attention to
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diabetes, heart disease, high
high blood pressure and obesity.
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Now, we look at the causes
of disease or the cause of
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death by disease...
one way of looking at it is
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actually list kind of disease,
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but another is
what's underlying.
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What has caused
these diseases...
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And by and far, the #1
issue is DIETARY AND EXERCISE
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Okay, that combination of HOW
people live, their DAILY life,
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actually is the GREATEST
contributor to premature death.
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So do you have a track there?
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Do you have a
physical exercise place
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to address the exercise issues?
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At our place, we
have a fitness center,
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and we have lots of
trails, lots of walking space,
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...I should say, outside of the
center, that people can enjoy.
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Okay, and then concerning the
nutrition and dietary things,
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do you have a kitchen there;
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do you have
different things like that?
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We have instruction
in how to prepare foods,
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and we have a
restaurant where people enjoy
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2 or 3 REALLY first
class gourmet meals a day...
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And really, it's an
EXCITING thing to be a part of,
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as you see people coming,
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especially when
they come in skeptical...
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You know, they're
there because they say,
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"Well you know,
somebody is forcing me to come"
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"My wife says if
I don't do better,
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she's not going to be
happy" ... so they COME!
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So they come even
with their arms twisted,
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and they feel
good when they leave.
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That's right, because
they may come skeptical,
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and after they've
tried and they've seen,
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they say, "I don't
know what I was afraid of;
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I don't know what I
was skeptical about,
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this is phenomenal. "
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Well, they've said that
the proof is in the pudding...
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the proof is in the details,
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and I think that you brought
some details with you today.
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Maybe some physical details...
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What happens to a person
that has high blood sugar,
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you know,
diabetes in your program.
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Well not wanting to
misquote or overstate...
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People in our program...
what I have here is a list of
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some of our details with regard
to cholesterol, and so on.
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For cholesterol, people
who spend 19 days there,
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decrease their
total cholesterol by 11.5%
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And what does that mean?
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For every
percentage drop in cholesterol,
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what happens to
your heart disease?
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They decrease their
risk of heart disease by 2-3%
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So if it has dropped
that much, it's 50% or more.
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Well, we're looking at 22-33%
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decrease in risk of dying
of heart disease... Amazing!
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So what happens then in...
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We also look at the LDL
cholesterol that has decreased.
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That's the LOUSY,
the BAD cholesterol.
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That has decreased by 13.5%
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The triglycerides tend
to be dropping even faster,
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and, on average, we're
looking at 20.59%, almost 21%
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DROP in triglycerides for people
who come through our program.
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Our HDL cholesterols
tend to drop a little bit.
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HDL is the
so-called "good" cholesterol,
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and if we look at the people
who have the WORST profile,
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that is the MOST
RISK for heart disease,
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their HDL
cholesterols actually go UP,
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while the LDL
cholesterols go down,
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and their triglycerides go down,
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and their total
cholesterols go down.
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But overall, the reason
they probably drop is because
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the total cholesterol goes down
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and that's a part of the total
cholesterol, is that right?
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That's part of
the total cholesterol,
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but it also has to do with
our particular dietary approach.
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We include in
the dietary program
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that people can have
nuts, seeds, avocados, olives...
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things like that in moderation.
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These allow for
changes in the triglyceride,
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and the HDL cholesterol
that we don't see if people
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were to take
these out of the diet.
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It would go down
much faster. Yeah
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Okay, a
question... Why should someone
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go to a Lifestyle Center?
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Lots of people say...
"Look I would go across
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the street to learn how to cook
different food or this or that
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because I don't want to do it. "
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But why go away and go to a
place like a Lifestyle Center?
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We have several different
ways of approaching this.
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One is, if someone
has a chronic disease,
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or wants to
prevent a chronic disease,
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They can try it the
OLD way, and the old way is
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they'll THINK about
it, they'll think about it,
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they'll say "yes, I'll
try it" and they never do it.
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So this jumpstarts
them. That's correct
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It's a jumpstart at
a new way of living.
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It's NOT just putting
the person on a diet...
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It's NOT just an
issue of starting them off
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on an exercise program... No
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It's actually showing
them and teaching them about
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their body and about
the way that they live
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and how the way they live
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affects what's
happening to them healthwise.
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But it's not just even
telling them about it...
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as they
experience it themselves,
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they see the
numbers, we have no secrets.
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So, people see what
their laboratory tests are;
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they get a full explanation
for their laboratory tests,
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and they follow every
step of the way - NO secrets.
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It's almost like anything...
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It's like... "Taste and
see that the Lord is good"
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the text says...
and if you try anything
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at them, you know, the
first time you do ANYTHING,
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someone goes with you
providing that emotional support
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...I've been here before,
I know what this is like,
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and then go with me.
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I mean this is the
way people work... Yes
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I don't know if you've
traveled much around the world,
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and probably the first
time you went somewhere,
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someone went with you.
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I know that when I went
with my wife to Romania,
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she's Romanian, I felt a great
comfort that she was with me.
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I've traveled to countries
and I didn't know anybody there,
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but I certainly liked it a lot
better when someone was with me!
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And then they introduced me
to the food and the culture,
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and different things and I would
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feel comfortable
going there on my own now!
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That's kind of
the idea, probably.
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Even if somebody
didn't go before you,
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sometimes having
company with you...
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We have found that husbands
and wives who come together
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actually do
BETTER not only because
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they're learning the same thing
but when they get back home,
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what one may have
forgotten, the other one says,
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"You know what, we had decided
that we were going to do this. "
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So they help keep
each other accountable...
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And that is very, very helpful.
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Part of the issue of
cardiac rehabilitation
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with the Lifestyle Center,
or in the general public,
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we know that if both
husband and wife are involved,
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the husband or the wife
who has the heart disease,
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actually does
better in the long run.
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Does blood pressure come down?
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Blood pressure comes down.
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Uhh, let's see, do I have
anything here on blood pressure?
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No I don't, on this list.
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But typically, we see a drop in
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the systolic and the diastolic,
the top and bottom numbers...
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I don't have those
numbers to give you, however.
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When they go down,
so do they go off their
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blood pressure
medication if they have it?
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Many people who come in on
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multiple blood
pressure medications,
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leave with a lot LESS medication
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that they have to take,
and some of them leave without
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having to take any
medications at all.
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Do their pants
still fit when they leave?
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Most people... No
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We have a statistic
with regard to weight loss.
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In terms of pounds
lost, we're looking at a
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mean change of about
8.3 pounds in 19 days
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or 4.1% drop in weight.
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So it's not a lot but it's going
off like it came on over time.
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The issue with
regard to weight loss...
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we allow people to
understand that losing weight
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should not be drudgery.
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You see, most people
don't start off by saying,
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"Next year I think
I'll put on 10 pounds,
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and then work hard to
get those 10 pounds off. "
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No, most people just
live the way they live,
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and 10 pounds come on.
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So, what we do is we
help people to live better.
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When they live better,
the 10 pounds come off.
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They don't have to
FORCE those pounds off.
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The pounds come off as a
BY-PRODUCT of how they're living
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Okay, physically, you put
them in this new environment,
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and they have
BEAUTIFUL surroundings there...
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I've seen the
place, I've been there.
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I actually got a chance
to visit there last year,
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and it's a beautiful place,
it's a beautiful environment,
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there's GOOD food to eat,
there's good people to talk to,
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and they have a lot of
social support one with another
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and different things, but what
do they do when they go back?
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Well for many people,
when they go back home,
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they are also looking for
ways that they can incorporate
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what they are doing
into their daily life.
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So from the beginning of
the program, we tell people
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in a very straight-forward way,
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if you fail to plan,
you're planning to fail.
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So we engage them in
exercises while they're there
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to plan out things
for when they go back home
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so they don't just fall back
into what they were doing before
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because that's the
EASIEST thing to do.
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If that's the case, then
what they would have done
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is they would have
had a nice vacation,
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they would have learned a lot
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but it wouldn't have
helped them in the long run.
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So we encourage
most of our patients,
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actually we
encourage ALL of our patients,
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to put into practice the
things that they have learned
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and many people are VERY, VERY
successful in doing just that.
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We've been talking
with Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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He is the medical director of
The Lifestyle Center of America
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and they have a web
page by that same name
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www. lifestylecenter. org
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If you would like to
get in touch with them,
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know more about the programs
that he has been talking about,
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but you needn't do that...
00:13:50.37\00:13:51.55
even the
principles would help you.
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If you have a friend that
needs to be watching this,
00:13:53.14\00:13:57.44
give them a call, join us.
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When we come back,
we'll be talking more about
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the changes that can happen
00:14:01.14\00:14:02.12
when we address the
issues of lifestyle.
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Join us when we come back.
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Welcome back,
we've been talking with
00:15:08.44\00:15:10.51
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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We've been
talking about GOOD NEWS!
00:15:12.34\00:15:13.99
...That your
lifestyle can be changed,
00:15:14.02\00:15:16.82
and there actually can
be proof in the pudding
00:15:16.85\00:15:19.01
the numbers can
change physically...
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Things can happen,
your cholesterol can lower,
00:15:20.79\00:15:23.46
your blood pressure can go down;
00:15:23.49\00:15:25.63
the need for medication
can be even alleviated
00:15:25.66\00:15:28.73
completely in some cases;
00:15:28.76\00:15:30.02
your weight can go down;
00:15:30.05\00:15:31.29
you can have PEP in your STEPS,
00:15:31.32\00:15:32.75
SPUNK in your TRUNK and
action and no subtraction!
00:15:32.78\00:15:36.05
AND ROCK IN YOUR SOCK!
00:15:36.08\00:15:37.24
And ROCK IN YOUR SOCK! Okay!
00:15:37.27\00:15:39.18
So that's good news physically,
00:15:39.21\00:15:40.47
and those
numbers... those are inspiring
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to hear about those.
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Those things don't HAVE to
happen at a Lifestyle Center,
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but it DOES happen there
at your Lifestyle Center.
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I want to talk about something
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that a lot of people
are concerned about...
00:15:53.74\00:15:55.87
that being
nutrition and cognition.
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You know... do you find
that the nutritional changes
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people make, the
exercise changes people make,
00:16:04.94\00:16:07.28
the lifestyle
changes people make...
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What does it do to them mentally
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in terms of
their ability to think?
00:16:12.37\00:16:15.74
Most people report
an improvement in their
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thinking ability, their sense of
well-being and their PRESENCE!
00:16:18.82\00:16:24.18
Some people even go
so far as to say that
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they have regained the SPARK
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in their thinking that
they thought was long-gone.
00:16:29.94\00:16:33.27
Now, be that as it may,
there are some people who
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have other medical
conditions that ACTUALLY,
00:16:36.50\00:16:40.53
by working with
them in their lifestyle,
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we DISCOVER and we
can test for and TREAT
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problems that would
have caused them to have
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mental dullness.
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One of the common things that
we find at the Lifestyle Center
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particularly in
people who are overweight,
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is that they may have
obstructive sleep apnea
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that they didn't know about.
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So, in other words, they have
these times when they're not
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breathing? Apnea
means not breathing.
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Not breathing and this
would occur typically at night
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and their spouse
might be aware of it;
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the snoring might
be loud or whatever.
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Sometimes husbands and
wives sleep in different rooms
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because of the loud snoring.
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But it doesn't
have to be that way...
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And we discover this...
we put them on appropriate
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therapy... By hearing it?
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No, sometimes it's not
a matter of hearing it,
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we suspect it. Okay
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We look at the
person, we hear the person,
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we perform the
inventory that we have
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...an 18-page inventory that
we use - health questionnaire
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and we suspect
it, we test for it,
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and lo and behold, the
person has this problem.
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By treating it, oftentimes
their alertness during the day
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improves and they
do very, very well
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with some very
simple intervention.
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The long-term
treatment, of course,
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is that after they
have lost much more weight,
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then they may not even need
00:18:04.76\00:18:05.75
to use the breathing assistive
devices that we prescribe.
00:18:05.78\00:18:10.41
So they feel a lot better.
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They are sharper and
they finally have gotten rest
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when they never really have been
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getting good
sleep. That's correct.
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Similarly, in
people who have diabetes,
00:18:17.32\00:18:18.68
by getting the
blood sugar under control,
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many people do a lot better.
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They FEEL better,
their brains work better.
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We also have a
record, if you will,
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of people who did not
know that their thyroid
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was not functioning well enough.
00:18:33.98\00:18:36.84
So they actually
have hypothyroidism,
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and we discover that
while they are there.
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And, by starting them
on appropriate treatment,
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and also by the change in
their lifestyle which is the
00:18:44.74\00:18:48.21
undergirding of their
experience, they do much better;
00:18:48.24\00:18:51.57
they think better,
they're thinking more clearly,
00:18:51.60\00:18:53.49
they have more
energy and more pep.
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So, we have, depending upon
what the circumstance might be,
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we have a whole
variety of reasons
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why people do better mentally.
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Now, I've heard a statistic
that I don't know if it's true,
00:19:04.67\00:19:07.59
but you may be more
up on the literature that
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for every
risk-factor that you have,
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so-called risk-factor
I guess coming out of the
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studies that were
done in the 40s and 50s
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where we learned
about heart disease...
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for every MAJOR
risk factor that we have,
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there is an effect
on our mental sensorium.
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There is a downside for us
mentally, have you heard that?
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That is true... I don't
know of any current literature
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that has really
tried to revive that.
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If we were to look
at the risk factors...
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For instance, cigarette smoking,
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it's a clear indicator that
people who smoke cigarettes,
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because of the effect of
00:19:43.59\00:19:44.80
the nicotine and the
carbon monoxide, etcetera,
00:19:44.83\00:19:47.81
they aren't getting as
much oxygen to the brain,
00:19:47.84\00:19:50.09
and therefore, you can EASILY
00:19:50.12\00:19:52.60
surmise that their thinking
may not be quite as clear.
00:19:52.61\00:19:55.67
If they have
high blood pressure,
00:19:55.70\00:19:56.98
the research has shown that
people with high blood pressure
00:19:57.01\00:19:59.41
have a decrease in the
white matter of their brain.
00:19:59.44\00:20:03.90
They actually have brain
damage if they allow their
00:20:03.93\00:20:06.97
blood pressure to remain high
00:20:07.00\00:20:08.31
whether or not they are
treated with medications.
00:20:08.32\00:20:10.28
So, that's an issue!
00:20:10.31\00:20:11.75
People with diabetes
can end up with problems
00:20:11.78\00:20:15.08
associated with blood
sugar being too high...
00:20:15.09\00:20:17.21
They end up with
so-called diabetic dementia...
00:20:17.24\00:20:20.99
Or, if they have bouts
of very low blood sugar that
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is sustained over time,
then they could end up with
00:20:24.51\00:20:27.34
permanent brain damage.
00:20:27.37\00:20:28.47
So if you could go
through ALL of the risk factors
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you can find that
these things can affect...
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People with atherosclerosis
or coronary artery disease,
00:20:32.51\00:20:36.47
they typically have
atherosclerosis affecting all
00:20:36.50\00:20:39.52
of their arteries including
their arteries in the brain,
00:20:39.55\00:20:41.48
and this will,
over time, decrease the
00:20:41.49\00:20:44.87
person's mental ability.
00:20:44.91\00:20:46.27
They may end up with what
we call a "vascular dementia"
00:20:46.30\00:20:49.25
or an "ischemic dementia"
00:20:49.28\00:20:51.50
These things start to
reverse in that 19-day program
00:20:51.53\00:20:54.35
or the other
programs that you see there.
00:20:54.38\00:20:56.57
Probably if you
had alumni meetings,
00:20:56.58\00:20:58.34
which I don't know if you do,
00:20:58.38\00:20:59.40
a couple of years
later or something,
00:20:59.43\00:21:01.06
and people, as they are
maintaining that program,
00:21:01.09\00:21:04.56
that lifestyle, they would
even have more MARKED results!
00:21:04.59\00:21:07.51
Yes, over time, as you
persist with a good lifestyle,
00:21:07.54\00:21:11.58
you can also increase
the yield, if you will,
00:21:11.61\00:21:15.52
of the reversal of some of the
processes that have been started
00:21:15.55\00:21:18.60
Now several years ago, taking
some of the principles that
00:21:18.63\00:21:21.30
you have there at your
program in my own life,
00:21:21.33\00:21:23.17
I started to move away
from the dairy products,
00:21:23.20\00:21:25.85
and from especially the
cheeses and different things...
00:21:25.88\00:21:27.97
Now there was a
time when I went back,
00:21:28.00\00:21:30.63
and I just had a
BIG LARGE CHEESE PIZZA,
00:21:30.66\00:21:33.69
and I could
hardly think after that!
00:21:33.72\00:21:36.41
I mean, I felt TERRIBLE!
00:21:36.44\00:21:39.06
I never noticed that before,
00:21:39.09\00:21:40.76
but is that something
that we see happening too?
00:21:40.79\00:21:44.90
I mean, my mind - maybe it
was and actually is clearer
00:21:44.93\00:21:48.86
because of the things
I'm not putting in my system.
00:21:48.89\00:21:51.11
Actually, a lot of
people report that same kind of
00:21:51.14\00:21:53.85
phenomenon happening.
00:21:53.88\00:21:55.33
From the scientific standpoint,
one possible explanation
00:21:55.36\00:21:59.25
which we can demonstrate,
00:21:59.28\00:22:01.07
is actually what happens when
00:22:01.10\00:22:02.85
you have a lot of saturated fat.
00:22:02.88\00:22:06.05
And that cheese pizza that
00:22:06.08\00:22:07.27
you had is LOADED
with saturated fat.
00:22:07.28\00:22:09.47
The saturated fat actually
coats the red blood cells;
00:22:09.50\00:22:12.81
so instead of having
blood that flows through the
00:22:12.84\00:22:15.97
small blood
vessels, the capillaries,
00:22:16.00\00:22:17.86
the way orange juice would
flow through your capillaries,
00:22:17.89\00:22:22.29
you end up with
something flowing through
00:22:22.32\00:22:24.02
your capillaries
more like KETCHUP.
00:22:24.05\00:22:27.78
Now, which one do you
think would be able to
00:22:27.81\00:22:30.22
give you more oxygen and take
away more of the carbon dioxide?
00:22:30.23\00:22:34.61
Would it be the
orange juice-type liquid,
00:22:34.64\00:22:36.56
or would it be the
ketchup-type liquid?
00:22:36.59\00:22:38.15
Yeah, I get the
point... the orange juice. Yes
00:22:38.18\00:22:41.09
And the reason why I use
00:22:41.12\00:22:42.91
orange juice as opposed to water
00:22:42.94\00:22:44.31
is because the blood
actually has these particles,
00:22:44.34\00:22:47.01
these cells in it
suspended much like some of the
00:22:47.04\00:22:50.08
particles is suspended
in the orange juice itself.
00:22:50.09\00:22:52.53
So people FEEL better
and they actually ARE better
00:22:52.56\00:22:56.55
in terms of the facts physically
00:22:56.58\00:22:58.02
and then in terms of
what we know scientifically,
00:22:58.05\00:23:00.85
and we start to SEE those
improvements MENTALLY. Yes
00:23:00.88\00:23:03.77
Now undergirding all that,
you are a Christian physician;
00:23:03.80\00:23:07.76
many of the people that work at
00:23:07.79\00:23:09.11
the Lifestyle
Center are Christian,
00:23:09.14\00:23:10.82
they are people of faith...
00:23:10.85\00:23:14.09
I don't believe that you
can script anybody into being a
00:23:14.12\00:23:18.18
Christian or whatnot,
but do you see a change
00:23:18.19\00:23:20.00
SPIRITUALLY in people?
00:23:20.03\00:23:23.21
For many people who
come to the Lifestyle Center,
00:23:23.22\00:23:25.41
as they see
physical improvement,
00:23:25.42\00:23:27.81
as they see mental improvement,
00:23:27.84\00:23:30.67
as they begin to
relax and get rest...
00:23:30.68\00:23:33.43
some needed rest that
they didn't have before,
00:23:33.47\00:23:35.91
as they drink more
water and see the effects of
00:23:35.94\00:23:38.35
that on their
body, as they exercise,
00:23:38.38\00:23:40.65
and take good DEEP breaths,
00:23:40.68\00:23:42.26
and EVERYTHING ELSE in
their life is being enhanced,
00:23:42.29\00:23:47.06
we also find that
people have what one might call
00:23:47.09\00:23:50.55
a more spiritual awakening.
00:23:50.58\00:23:52.52
They tend to start taking
inventory in their own life,
00:23:52.55\00:23:57.24
and trying to find the
things that MATTER to them.
00:23:57.27\00:23:59.99
As they examine that,
they come face-to-face
00:24:00.02\00:24:03.06
with the reality of
a Creator, a Designer,
00:24:03.09\00:24:06.12
the One who made us
and the One who told us...
00:24:06.15\00:24:08.43
"Here is the
way, walk ye in it. "
00:24:08.44\00:24:10.24
This is the way to
live... I want you to prosper
00:24:10.27\00:24:14.02
and to be in health...
00:24:14.05\00:24:15.80
but I also want your
soul to prosper as well.
00:24:15.83\00:24:18.40
Socially?
00:24:18.43\00:24:19.91
Socially, the mix
of people that we have,
00:24:19.94\00:24:23.68
people interact during
the course of the program,
00:24:23.71\00:24:27.32
and many people remain
in contact with each other
00:24:27.35\00:24:29.76
after they leave the program...
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So it's also an enhancement
of people socializing.
00:24:31.41\00:24:35.76
We've had some
patients who have come through
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who one might
call - "social outcast"
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They don't really have a lot
of friends and things like that.
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But they come
into the environment,
00:24:41.99\00:24:43.38
they meet people
who care for them,
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they meet other patients
and guests who are there
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who are going
through similar kind of
00:24:48.47\00:24:50.39
health challenges
and life challenges.
00:24:50.42\00:24:52.90
They may bond with
1 or 2 or 3 people.
00:24:52.93\00:24:55.04
They get to know the
whole group and you know what?
00:24:55.07\00:24:57.43
We see these people come
ALIVE socially. Is that right?
00:24:57.46\00:25:01.16
We've had some people who,
at the beginning of a program,
00:25:01.19\00:25:03.78
have been very
shy and introverted;
00:25:03.81\00:25:05.61
really, they
weren't REALLY that way,
00:25:05.64\00:25:07.86
they just didn't think that
they had anything to contribute.
00:25:07.89\00:25:10.57
By the end of the program,
00:25:10.58\00:25:12.01
these people are
the life of the party!
00:25:12.04\00:25:14.22
They blossom because
they are in an environment
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that they feel very
safe and comfortable.
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Do they want to stay?
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ACTUALLY, as you mention it,
there are many people who say,
00:25:20.24\00:25:23.73
"You know, I wish I could stay!"
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Unfortunately, that's not home.
00:25:25.42\00:25:30.01
The Lifestyle Center is actually
an artificial environment.
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Right... and they gotta go.
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People come there,
they learn some things,
00:25:33.51\00:25:36.45
they experience
things, but really, the PROOF,
00:25:36.48\00:25:39.61
and the RESULTS that
they get is really when they
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make that
transition BACK to home.
00:25:42.61\00:25:44.80
They put the things that we
have taught them into practice,
00:25:44.83\00:25:47.92
and they LIVE out a life
that is FULLER AND RICHER
00:25:47.95\00:25:50.89
than they thought possible.
00:25:50.92\00:25:52.03
Well they have to
go, but you get to STAY,
00:25:52.04\00:25:53.83
and it seems like you
really enjoy what you do.
00:25:53.84\00:25:56.72
Well, I love people and
I think God has called me
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to be at the Lifestyle
Center to minister to people, 
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and to help people
in whatever way I can...
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And you know, there's an old
saying that goes like this...
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"People don't
care how much you know,
00:26:09.09\00:26:10.73
until they know
how much you care"
00:26:10.76\00:26:12.79
...And I care a
lot about people,
00:26:12.82\00:26:14.48
and sometimes
they tell me it shows.
00:26:14.51\00:26:16.50
Maybe some of those people
are watching now that have been
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through your program
or maybe some people are
00:26:18.63\00:26:20.33
thinking about going
through a similar program...
00:26:20.36\00:26:22.06
What would you
have to say to them?
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I would say, for those who
have gone through already...
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Please keep up the good habits!
00:26:25.85\00:26:29.00
Trust in God. He
has shown us the way.
00:26:29.03\00:26:32.13
He will see you through.
00:26:32.16\00:26:34.12
Keep up the good work!
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For those who are contemplating
whether they should
00:26:35.85\00:26:38.12
change their
lifestyle, that's the #1,
00:26:38.15\00:26:41.10
or whether you want to go
to a lifestyle program or not,
00:26:41.11\00:26:43.32
is not really the issue.
00:26:43.35\00:26:44.64
But if you recognize that there
are some aspects of your life
00:26:44.67\00:26:48.19
that you would REALLY benefit
from by changing, by all means -
00:26:48.20\00:26:52.20
Trust in the Lord
with all your heart,
00:26:52.23\00:26:54.24
lean not to your
own understanding,
00:26:54.27\00:26:56.47
In ALL your
ways, acknowledge Him,
00:26:56.48\00:26:58.88
and HE will direct your path.
00:26:58.91\00:27:00.35
We've been talking to
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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He is the medical director at
the Lifestyle Center of America
00:27:04.32\00:27:07.45
located in
Oklahoma... actually in-between
00:27:07.48\00:27:10.02
Oklahoma City and
Dallas-Fort Worth area.
00:27:10.05\00:27:13.78
And if you would like more
information about that program,
00:27:13.81\00:27:16.08
you can contact the
Lifestyle Center at their
00:27:16.11\00:27:18.93
web site which is
www. lifestylecenter. org
00:27:18.96\00:27:24.67
Or you can
contact us here at 3ABN,
00:27:24.70\00:27:28.07
and we can give you information
and contact numbers for them.
00:27:28.10\00:27:31.69
They deal with the major
illnesses that plague America,
00:27:31.72\00:27:34.66
heart disease, diabetes, cancer,
or avoiding cancer, stroke,
00:27:34.67\00:27:38.43
obesity...
these types of things.
00:27:38.46\00:27:40.84
And there is just a lot
of wealth of information
00:27:40.87\00:27:43.83
that Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
has shared with us today
00:27:43.84\00:27:47.24
that we hope is helpful to you
00:27:47.27\00:27:49.34
whether or not you attend
a Lifestyle Center program.
00:27:49.37\00:27:52.37
We know that as a result
of putting these principles
00:27:52.40\00:27:55.20
into practice,
you can and will have
00:27:55.23\00:27:56.89
health that
lasts for a lifetime!
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