Hello and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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We're glad you're with us today.
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And I'm also delighted to have
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel with us.
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He is the medical director of
the Lifestyle Center of America.
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Now that's a mouthful.
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Yes!
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And yet it's a good mouthful!
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Lifestyle Center of
America is located in Oklahoma
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midway between
Oklahoma City and Dallas.
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It's a great,
easy place to get to.
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There's a lot of good
things that happen there.
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If you're interested in
getting in touch with the
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Lifestyle Center of America
the best place to contact would
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be their webpage
www. lifestylecenter. org
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all one word:
lifestylecenter. org
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Or you could call us here
at 3ABN and we'll give you some
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contact phone numbers.
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Today Dr. Zeno, we're going to
talk about what you like to call
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Total Health or
The Health Iceberg.
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And we hope that
iceberg heats up.
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But really an iceberg you
can just see the top of it but
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underneath there's a
whole bunch of other things.
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Maybe that's why
you call it that.
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Yes, that's correct.
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Is total health like that, that
what you see is not necessarily
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what you get?
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That's what it is.
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A lot of times people are very
interested in what the top might
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look like - their health status.
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And really the health status
is nothing more than what we see
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or what the
person might experience.
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And if he were to go to the
doctor, the doctor would usually
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tell you what your
health status is like.
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It's like a snapshot
of how things are going.
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That's just the top.
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I mean, could you have
someone that's very thin
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that's very unhealthy?
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Yes, you can.
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People think that if
you're slender that this is an
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indicator of
health and sometimes it is
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but sometimes it's not.
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People with cancer, for
instance, can loose a lot
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of weight and
become very slender.
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They might say, "Oh,
finally I'm loosing weight. "
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But is that the way you
really want to loose weight
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if you have cancer?
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Can someone
who's very overweight,
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could they be healthy?
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They could be
moderately healthy.
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But we believe that for someone
to have total health that really
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in the physical realm that they
ought to have a weight that is
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within what we would call
normal and optimal for them.
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And usually that
is not overweight.
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Now we want to look at what
is sort of like a pyramid here
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about total health, right?
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Yes.
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So is someone was drawing a
picture at home, they would draw
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a pyramid using these different
words that we're going to use.
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Is that right?
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That's correct.
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Which way do we want
to work from the base or
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from the top down?
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Well, I think it's easier to
start at the top and go down.
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All right, let's
start at the top.
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What's the tip of the iceberg?
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The tip of the iceberg
is their health status.
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When someone goes to the doctor
and they want to find out how
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their doing the doctor will
usually ask them some questions,
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get a history, do a physical
exam, do some laboratory tests,
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and then make a pronouncement.
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As some people like to say,
"A clean bill of health," right?
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So the person gets a
clean bill of health.
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But have you ever
heard of someone getting a
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clean bill of health only to
have a few days or a few weeks
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later that the person has a
serious problem like cancer was
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diagnosed or a heart
attack or they even drop dead?
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Have you heard
of that happening?
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Oh, yes.
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And then I've heard of others
going to the doctor trying to
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act like their
healthy when they're not.
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Fool the system.
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The health status, the tip of
the iceberg, is like a snapshot.
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Now, what we like to delve into
is what kinds of things favor
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the health that the doctor would
see or that you would find?
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That's the second level which
would be like what, habits?
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Habits, that's precisely it.
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If you can tell what habits
people have then you'll be able
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to tell whether or not they're
likely to be fit or likely to be
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trim or whether
they're likely to be enjoying
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good total health.
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If you look at their physical
habits, you look at their eating
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habits, you look at what things
they take, what things they
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don't take, you look at their
spiritual health, social life,
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you look at all of these things
you can more or less have a
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pretty good idea as to whether
this person is going to be
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healthy or not.
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So if you open up all their
mail coming out of their house
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you could probably tell
if they're healthy or not?
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I don't know if that would
be enough to tell, but that
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might give us a start.
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And then you see how much they
sleep, you watch their habits,
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you watch them for a while.
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Yes.
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So as a doctor you have to
get in touch with those types of
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things very rapidly.
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Do you have a
way to go about that?
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How do you figure out
what people's habits are
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when they come to your office?
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At the Lifestyle Center we have
a questionnaire that we have
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patients fill out
that's 18 pages long.
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Can you believe that?!
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18 pages?
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18 pages of issues
relating to their life.
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The last page of that is
actually for the person to
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describe a typical day
- what time they get up,
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what they do as
they go through the day,
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and then what
time they go to bed.
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You would be surprised how much
you can learn from something as
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simple as that or as much
as 18 pages of information.
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Is that thing worded so that if
they try and fudge in one area
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they get caught
in another question?
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No, it's not like that.
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But most people who fill it out,
actually everybody fills it out,
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they do a pretty thorough
job and they get a copy of it
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back if they want it.
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Because for many of them this
is the first time that they ever
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sat down and really taken
a self-inventory and have it
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explained to them what these
things might be in terms of
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their impact on the person.
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Someone has told me that an
accurate diagnosis is about 85%
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accurate health history.
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Is that right?
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It depends on what
kind we're talking about.
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But by in large that is true.
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For some of the dermatologic
illness, for instance, often
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times the history is irrelevant.
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You look at it, you see it,
you say this is what it is and
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that's it.
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So, looking at the status first
of all and it looks like that
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snapshot but really
that's not as good a snapshot
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as looking at the actual habits.
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Where do we go next?
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Well, the next thing is for most
people they find that even if
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they know what things they
ought to do to keep their health
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optimal, or what things they
need to do to gain or regain
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optimal health, often times we
have difficulty doing the things
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we know to do, right?
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People say, for instance,
"I know I should be doing this
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but... "
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and they go ahead and do
the things they shouldn't do.
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That I would like to do
that I don't do, I see another
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thing warring against my
flesh, that's what Paul says.
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Exactly!
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That's Romans chapter 7.
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I'm glad that it doesn't
stop in Romans chapter 7.
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Even though it gives us a little
bit of consolation that we're
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not the only ones
that went through that.
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A part of what we all need
to pay attention to is the fact
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that knowing - just having the
information about something is
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often times not
enough to get us the change.
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Rather there's something
below that's pushing our habits.
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We have our habits formed
to a large extent from the
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people around us, from
how we grow up, etcetera.
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You see we inherit
more than just genes.
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So this would be our culture?
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This is our culture.
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So in other words, if we are
Eskimos, for instance, they have
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certain liabilities in their
culture about what they eat
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that's going to cause
problems in their health.
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That's correct.
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Like what would that be?
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I don't know if
you know about Eskimos.
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Yes, I know some about Eskimos.
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First of all Eskimos don't
have a lot of fresh fruits and
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vegetables in their diet.
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And therefore they
tend to have some of the
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B vitamin deficiencies and so
on that is associated with that.
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They tend to, because of the
amount of fish that they do have
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in their diet and some
of the fats that they have,
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if they get a stroke the
kind of stroke tends to be a
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hemorrhagic stroke as opposed
to the kinds of strokes we have
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in this country.
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So someone like me, you're
looking right at me, you're
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doing a snapshot in your mind,
your saying this is a white,
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Anglo Saxon, Protestant it
looks like, so called wasp,
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what are my
liabilities in my culture?
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It mostly depends on what
part of the country you're from
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Ok, I'm from Kansas.
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You got real problems,
call the ambulance! - laughter -
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No, what's wrong with me?
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Rather than making it personal
for you, I would suggest
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that we start
with the inner circle.
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Because people's families
tend to have certain things
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that they do.
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It's what is called "normal. "
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See, in your family it might
be done this way, in the family
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next door, same kind of activity
but they do it differently.
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In one family people may
sit down and eat and in another
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family it's catch if you can.
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Those two will have different
effects on the individuals
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growing up.
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We sit down and eat
- so how am I doing?
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Ok, that's better.
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You are spending time with
calm, quiet composure as you eat
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actually is very
beneficial to your health.
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Eating on the run tends not
to be as good on the digestion.
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So the big point is
looking at those health habits.
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What we do
around our family table,
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what we are used to doing.
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These things are important.
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Additionally we inherit
such things as attitudes.
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In some families the attitude
to what's exercised is one that
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is very positive - people like
to go outdoors, they bike or
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they run or they
hike, things like that.
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In other families, as Mark Twain
said, "Every so often he gets
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an overwhelming
urge to exercise. "
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You know the rest of the story?
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"But then he quickly lies down
until it passes. " - laughter -
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In some families
this is the idea.
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Exercise and physical activity
is really not emphasized a lot
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and therefore, people
growing up in that environment,
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by and large, will tend to pass
that on to their children and
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actually have that be
a part of their attitude.
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I was in a family the other week
where the man said, "You know I
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always feel bad
for these joggers. "
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He had just moved to America,
he was from a different culture.
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He said, "I always felt bad,
here they are running, it seems
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someone is out to get
them, they're after them. "
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He was stopping them and
offering them a ride to where
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ever they want to go.
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They found out they
just didn't want a ride.
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So, from his culture this was
really not going to be helpful
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with his exercise program.
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This is not talking about ethnic
cultures or this kind of thing.
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It's talking more about
the habits of a family or
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people group.
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That's right and it actually
involves some of the ethnicity
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and some of the regency.
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We can start with the
family, then we can go to the
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neighborhood, and we can go from
the neighborhood to the part of
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the town that you live, you can
go from the part of town that
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you live to the city, to
the part of the country that you
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live, to the country that
you live even to the region
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in the world that you live.
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Because all of these things
kind of interplay with each
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other for people who live in
a particular place to think that
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what they're doing
is actually normal.
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True or False -
America is a high risk culture?
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Depends on what
you are talking about.
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Health wise - yes,
because of the so-called
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Western lifestyle.
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But that is changing -
fortunately that is changing.
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If you are to look at the
American culture from the point
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of view of cleanliness and
hygiene, that's much better
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than in some places
where that is a major issue.
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If you look at opportunity for
exercise and reasonable food,
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etcetera, in the United States
we can get just about anything
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to eat that we want.
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The problem is we also have
an attitude about food that goes
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beyond eating just for health.
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We have an attitude of eating
for pleasure, eating for value.
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You know when people go into
a buffet restaurant, they change
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from being ordinary
people on the street, right?
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When they walk through those
doors they want to put those
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folks out of business.
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They want to get
their money's worth.
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I shouldn't say
"they" I should say "we"
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because we are all in it.
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And they do get
their money's worth.
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You are what you eat.
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Ok, so we're looking at our
pyramid here - we got "status,"
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that's that snap shot.
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We got "habits," you
get that from what kind of
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a health history - what
do you do day in and day out.
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But then more than that,
where did you get your habits,
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that being your family group,
your people group, your country
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group, your ethnic group,
your geographical location
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group, whatever.
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Right.
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Ok, so we kind of
moving down the pyramid.
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Now here's the thing.
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When we look at culture we
have a phenomenon that everybody
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might be familiar with
in some way or another.
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This I call the
"Uncle Harry" situation.
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Uncle Harry is that person
in a family that folks don't
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talk too much about.
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Ok, Uncle Harry, we want
to come back to Uncle Harry.
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We're talking with
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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and he's going to
talk about Uncle Harry.
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So if you want to know about
Uncle Harry you better come back
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and join us after the break.
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Welcome back.
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
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This is Health For a
Lifetime, if you just joined us.
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We have a
delightful treat today.
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We are learning
about really total health.
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Isn't that right
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel?
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That's correct
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We're glad that you're with us.
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He's the medical director of
the Lifestyle Center of America.
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And that's the same thing you
would put in if you were looking
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up their webpage:
www. lifestylecenter. org
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So if you'd like to find
out more about their program,
00:15:13.67\00:15:16.19
and different
things you can do that.
00:15:16.23\00:15:17.20
We're talking about
health and total health today
00:15:17.21\00:15:19.42
We're seeing there's more
than just what meets the eye.
00:15:19.46\00:15:22.46
There's more to the iceberg
than just the top as those on
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the Titanic wanted to
really know before hand, right?
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That's correct.
00:15:27.74\00:15:28.71
They learned to late, but today
we're finding out where the
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icebergs are so
we don't hit them.
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That's correct.
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So we've moved down the pyramid
with the first one being our
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health status, that's when you
go to the doctor office, they
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take your EKG, blood
pressure, pulse, history,
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and that kind of thing.
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That's just one
piece of the puzzle.
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You said you need to go deeper
than that - look at the habits.
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You have the 18 page
questionnaire, a lifestyle
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questionnaire that
shows what are your habits.
00:15:51.42\00:15:54.12
The next part of the
pyramid is your culture.
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And that doesn't just
mean ethnic group, although
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it can be that.
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It can be more or less your
family patterns of doing things,
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how you eat, sleep,
drink, whatever you do.
00:16:04.85\00:16:08.01
But that can be
geographic and everything else.
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So that's the next step on the
picture of who we really are -
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why we are what we are.
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You were mentioning, when we
left, Uncle Harry, but we left
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him hanging on the wall.
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Who is this Uncle Harry?
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The way we see Uncle Harry
is if you were to look at a
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picture of an extended family.
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Uncle Harry might be the guy
standing in the back who isn't
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dressed exactly the
same way as everybody else.
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He's got the plaid pants on.
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Yes, right.
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And when people are saying,
"This is Dad, this is Mom,
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and this is cousin so-and-so,
or this is uncle so-and-so,
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and aunt so-and-so.
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They tend to forget Uncle Harry.
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Even though he
has plaid pants on.
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Even though it's obvious
there's something going on here.
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And typically, someone looking
at this will or they see several
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pictures, they will
say, "Who is this guy?"
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And the answer is,
"Oh, that's Uncle Harry,"
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and they go on to the next page.
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You want more information.
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Why is he so different?
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What is this guy all about?
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Well, let me ask you, in
your family, if you're to
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look back at your family
tree for 4 or 5 generations,
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is there a dominant pattern
of occupations in that family?
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Well, we all
eat, does that count?
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Well, that's one. - laughter -
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I'm a fourth generation
pastor, does that count?
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Yes, that counts.
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So, in your family if you were
to look at, I assume it's mainly
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the males in the
family that become pastors?
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Yes, we don't
have any lady pastors.
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I think they would
probably be the "Aunt Harry!"
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- laughter - So
they're the "Aunt Harriet!"
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But if you look down,
that is the dominant feature.
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Right.
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The expectation in some families
is that if there's a son that's
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born, he'll be a pastor too.
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If that is the thought, then
to have one of these young men
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decide to become a plumber
might be considered strange.
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"Why is he doing that?"
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Nothing wrong with
being a plumber is there?
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There is nothing wrong with
being a plumber, but in that
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family if the expectation
was for pastors, then plumber
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is different.
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In my family I remember
coming home from one of these
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graduations where you
had to fill out what your
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secret ambition is.
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You know what I put down?
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No.
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An auto mechanic.
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Now anyone that knows me
is laughing right now because
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they know all my cars end
up on the engine reserve list.
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When I got home and that
year book came out and I had
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put down auto mechanic, everyone
in my family just looked
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at me like...
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What's wrong with you, right?
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- laughter - But
that's the idea you see.
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So being "Uncle
Harry" is not bad.
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In some cases it might be.
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But by in large the
issue is being different.
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Now where I come to this
understanding with regard to
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culture is that we all
have "Uncle Harry" in us.
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Because we all don't do things
exactly the way our parents did.
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We all want a little of it, we
want to have those plaid pants,
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we want to be those
auto mechanics, we want to be
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those plumbers,
forget being those pastors!
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So we do something a
little bit different, ok?
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By doing things a little bit
different it shows what's below
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this culture.
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You see culture does
not determine everything
00:19:30.43\00:19:32.44
that we are.
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There is something below that.
00:19:33.45\00:19:34.92
And that's our own minds
- our psyche and our will.
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Now are we getting to
the bottom of the iceberg?
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We're not at the bottom yet.
00:19:41.55\00:19:42.52
But here is an area where
individuals actually have a
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choice to make in determining
what's going to be happening
00:19:47.40\00:19:50.89
in their future.
00:19:50.93\00:19:51.90
In this case we're
talking about health but it has
00:19:51.91\00:19:53.90
wide implications for all
other aspects of life as well.
00:19:53.94\00:19:57.64
So, are our
values and our psyche...
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How can we change those
things if they're wrong?
00:20:01.28\00:20:03.54
What if we're a type of person
that wants the bread and pudding
00:20:03.57\00:20:07.73
but now we need
to move to broccoli?
00:20:07.77\00:20:09.30
All right, well you see there's
where we have to come a little
00:20:09.34\00:20:11.80
bit lower again.
00:20:11.84\00:20:13.36
And there's where we get
to the bottom of this iceberg.
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The bottom of the iceberg
is actually our world view.
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Now world view is nothing more
than the way we see ourselves
00:20:19.27\00:20:24.05
fitting into the world
and the way we see the world
00:20:24.08\00:20:26.21
impacting on us.
00:20:26.24\00:20:27.22
It's where we are, who we
are, what we are, where we came
00:20:27.25\00:20:30.60
from, where we're going.
00:20:30.63\00:20:31.60
In our best moments, when we sit
and reflect as to the meaning
00:20:31.63\00:20:36.64
of life - this is
where we are residing.
00:20:36.67\00:20:39.10
We're residing in this place
that we call our world view.
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Do you think that most
people do that in some sense
00:20:41.50\00:20:43.42
some time in their life?
00:20:43.45\00:20:44.42
I think most people have a
period of time in their life
00:20:44.43\00:20:47.76
where this is an issue.
00:20:47.79\00:20:49.78
As a matter of fact, for some
people they get to this point
00:20:49.81\00:20:52.63
when they're sick.
00:20:52.66\00:20:53.63
They have to take inventory
and they get to the point of
00:20:53.64\00:20:56.98
thinking, "Why
am I alive anyway?"
00:20:57.01\00:20:59.03
Right?
00:20:59.06\00:21:00.30
Now in this area, this world
view area, I see three points
00:21:00.33\00:21:04.32
that are pivotal in people's
understanding and appreciation
00:21:04.35\00:21:08.94
of what this is about.
00:21:08.97\00:21:09.94
This is the
bottom of the iceberg.
00:21:09.95\00:21:11.38
And we are three points
at the basis of the iceberg.
00:21:11.41\00:21:15.53
1. HOPE
00:21:15.56\00:21:17.39
2. MEANING
00:21:17.42\00:21:21.77
3. PURPOSE
00:21:21.80\00:21:25.00
See people have to
have a purpose for living.
00:21:25.03\00:21:29.45
As we say, if someone comes
to see the doctor and they don't
00:21:29.48\00:21:35.14
have a reason for getting
up in the morning, pretty soon
00:21:35.17\00:21:37.79
they won't be
getting up in the morning.
00:21:37.82\00:21:39.17
The story is told over and over
again of husbands and wives.
00:21:39.20\00:21:43.50
Of course they've been married
for 67 years, husband got a
00:21:43.53\00:21:48.49
stroke, wife is taking care
of the husband, the children
00:21:48.52\00:21:50.87
say, "Come and live with us,"
the wife says, "No, no, I can
00:21:50.90\00:21:54.25
can take care of Dad, we'll
do fine, we get around here,
00:21:54.28\00:21:57.25
we do all right. "
00:21:57.28\00:21:58.25
Husband then dies.
00:21:58.26\00:21:59.78
The mom says, "I'm not going
to come anywhere, I'm going
00:21:59.81\00:22:03.44
to take care of
things here at home. "
00:22:03.47\00:22:04.65
But Mom within a year, doesn't
have a purpose for getting up
00:22:04.68\00:22:09.63
in the morning,
within a year Mom dies.
00:22:09.66\00:22:12.06
Why?
00:22:12.09\00:22:13.08
Now this doesn't always
happen but it's often enough
00:22:13.11\00:22:15.57
that we have to
ask the question.
00:22:15.60\00:22:16.65
Part of the reason is that
if Mom doesn't have a reason
00:22:16.68\00:22:19.72
to get up in the morning,
Mom is not going to get up
00:22:19.75\00:22:22.16
in the morning.
00:22:22.19\00:22:23.31
For us, it may not be an issue
of life and death like that.
00:22:23.34\00:22:28.48
But if we don't have a
purpose for living, why live?
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If we don't have a purpose
to be healthy, why be healthy?
00:22:32.69\00:22:35.33
The second issue
is that of meaning.
00:22:35.36\00:22:39.02
What's the meaning of life?
00:22:39.05\00:22:40.52
What's the meaning of living?
00:22:40.55\00:22:42.15
That's related to
purpose but it's not the same.
00:22:42.18\00:22:44.39
It's not the same.
00:22:44.42\00:22:45.41
Another issue of course, along
the same lines in that meaning
00:22:45.44\00:22:49.35
is, if I were to get sick,
or if something were to happen,
00:22:49.38\00:22:53.02
what's the meaning of that?
00:22:53.05\00:22:54.02
Is it trying to
tell me something?
00:22:54.05\00:22:55.84
Is there something
bigger than meets the eye?
00:22:55.87\00:22:59.19
This is the idea of...
for instance some people say,
00:22:59.22\00:23:02.97
"Well, you know this happened
therefore, it's giving me a
00:23:03.00\00:23:05.84
warning that I ought to
take care of x, y, or z. "
00:23:05.87\00:23:08.87
It's like little cues
and what you ascribe to it.
00:23:08.90\00:23:14.78
Some people say, "Well, it's
just coincidence," and others
00:23:14.81\00:23:19.08
say, "It's luck. "
00:23:19.11\00:23:20.28
But many people go beyond that
and they say, "You know what,
00:23:20.31\00:23:23.17
I think there is something
here that's beyond that
00:23:23.20\00:23:26.59
that I'm being stimulated
to do something different. "
00:23:26.62\00:23:29.88
My grandfather when he moved
in with me, I took care of him
00:23:29.91\00:23:32.70
when he turned 86 or so, he'd
get up in the morning and say,
00:23:32.73\00:23:35.85
"I guess the reason I'm
still here is for you boys. "
00:23:35.88\00:23:39.06
And then when we would
do something good he'd say,
00:23:39.09\00:23:42.08
"That means everything to me. "
00:23:42.11\00:23:44.12
Those were the kind of things.
00:23:44.15\00:23:46.12
When we graduated
from school then he died.
00:23:46.15\00:23:50.01
Yes, then he felt
like he had met the goal.
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Now this is not an issue of self
determination or anything like
00:23:53.87\00:24:00.08
that or kind of like a
pre-conditioned... it's just
00:24:00.12\00:24:03.55
that the way human beings are.
00:24:03.58\00:24:05.03
We have an engine, a purpose,
and meaning, two parts that
00:24:05.06\00:24:12.15
help drive that engine.
00:24:12.19\00:24:14.63
The third part is that of hope.
00:24:14.66\00:24:16.40
Now the word "hope" might be a
little difficult for some people
00:24:16.44\00:24:20.26
to work with because
we use it in other ways.
00:24:20.29\00:24:23.31
We say, "I hope this will
happen or that will happen. "
00:24:23.34\00:24:27.43
But really having a sense of
hope is really having a belief
00:24:27.46\00:24:31.51
that tomorrow is going
to be better than today.
00:24:31.55\00:24:33.86
Or belief that the next minute
is going to be better than
00:24:33.90\00:24:37.44
this one.
00:24:37.48\00:24:38.73
If we lack hope the researchers
show people who don't have hope
00:24:38.76\00:24:45.23
actually have more illness.
00:24:45.27\00:24:46.68
People who have a hopeful
attitude, these people tend to
00:24:46.71\00:24:51.17
flourish with their health.
00:24:51.21\00:24:52.40
Remember that story of
Jesus where He was with the two
00:24:52.44\00:24:54.58
disciples and they were going
along and they were discouraged
00:24:54.62\00:24:56.70
because they
thought He had died.
00:24:56.73\00:24:58.18
And then they said, "We were
hoping this wouldn't happen. "
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They were hopeless.
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And then He kind of
switched them around.
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Is that what you try to do
there at the Lifestyle Center?
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You try to switch
around people's hope?
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One of the biggest things that
we can do for people is actually
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to help them restore, if they
had hope and then they lost it,
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or if they had not had
hope before to gain hope.
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That there is
something that they can do.
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There is a way to look at life.
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There is a way of looking
at yourself and looking at your
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relationship to everything
to all that is created
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that allows you to look
what's a better tomorrow.
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That hope is actually based on
nothing less than Jesus Christ.
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And people have to
discover that don't they?
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They have to discover that.
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In my view you don't
force this on somebody.
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You don't push it, you don't
shove it down their throats.
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Actually they come to the point
of saying, "Yes, I understand
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there is something to
life, there is something bigger
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than me. "
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Now, when this happens and
their world view changes, the
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world view pushes the
will, changes the values.
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The person is now able to
do the things that they thought
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they couldn't do before.
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They are willing to confront
their culture and take other
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things from their culture and
hold onto those that are health
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enhancing and reject and put
aside the things that are not
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health enhancing.
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This in turn will
change their habits.
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They find almost effortlessly -
almost - that they are now more
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inclined to do what they
thought they should have done
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because it's the right.
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They do the right
thing for the right reason.
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And this ultimately
will reflect in what happens
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to their total health.
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It would be a complete
switching of the iceberg.
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That's correct because
as you start with the bottom
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this becomes the root and
the health that you experience,
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the total health you experience,
now that becomes the fruit.
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And that's what we
need, fruitful lives.
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That's right.
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Completely repositioned.
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That's what you've
dedicated your life to.
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Yes.
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You know as I study the story
of Christ and how He related
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to His apostles and disciples
that's really how He dedicated
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His life to as well.
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And in that story in Luke
where He was with the disciples
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and remember how they were
all discouraged and depressed
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and this whole
thing turned around.
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They didn't know who He was.
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And then it was like He
came to them as a cardiologist
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and said, "Let Me open the Word
to you" and defibrillated them.
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They started being happy
and they turned the world
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upside down -
completely turned around.
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We hope as a result of today's
program you'll go out there
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seize the day - turn
the world upside down and
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you can address the real
issues at the base of the
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mountain so that everything
else makes sense, give meaning,
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purpose, and hope.
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If you would like to
contact us about this program
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or about the
Lifestyle Center of America
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we hope that you do call us.
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We hope that as a
result you will have health
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that lasts for a lifetime.
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