Hello and welcome to
Health for a Lifetime.
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I'm glad that you've joined
us today and I'm also glad that
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Dr. Zeno
Charles-Marcel is with us.
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Welcome, Doctor.
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Thank you, it's good to be here.
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We're going to be talking today
about a subject that really
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touches the lives
of many Americans,
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that being heart disease.
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And heart disease, I
believe, is the number one
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killer in
America, is that right?
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It is the number one
killer, that is correct.
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But today you're probably
saying "We've heard a lot about
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heart disease. "
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Not today's program
you haven't heard about!
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Because we're going to be
talking about heart disease and
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little known factors
that relate to heart disease.
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We're going to review some of
the regular ones but we're going
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to look at some little known
ones and it will be well worth
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your while to stay.
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Now if you're watching today
and you need to have information
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about how to get a hold of
the Lifestyle Center of America
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one of the best ways
is over the internet -
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www. lifestylecenter. org
or you can call us here at
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Three Angels Broadcasting
Network and we can give you
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the contact
information over the phone.
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But that's fairly easy to
remember - lifestyle center.
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You treat heart disease there
as it relates to lifestyle.
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Isn't that right?
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That's correct.
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And we have the principle of
working with first things first.
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So lifestyle is very important
in preventing and in treating
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heart disease - particularly the
atherosclerotic heart disease
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which is the kind that is
responsible for most of the
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death in this country.
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So you are a doctor of internal
medicine, that means you deal
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with a lot of patients that are
very acute situations, ICU or
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intensive care, or cardiac care
units, in hospital settings,
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those types of things.
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Then you also do things
that can help people avoid that.
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And the thing that has come
up recently, probably within
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the last 40 years or so
has been this whole idea of
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risk factors.
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What is a risk factor and
what are the common risk factors
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for heart disease?
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A risk factor is just some thing
or some attribute that a person
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may have or maybe in contact
with that increases the person's
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likelihood of getting a
disease or getting a condition.
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The typical risk factors that
most people would already be
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familiar with for heart
disease include things like:
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cigarette smoking, lack
of exercise or what I call
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slothfulness, high cholesterol,
some of their family history,
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so if they have a parent
or a brother or sister who has
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premature heart disease
then they are at increased risk
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for having heart disease
as well, obesity, diabetes,
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high blood pressure.
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These are all
typical risk factors.
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How many risk
factors do you know of?
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Someone told me there was
over than 20 now that they have
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identified.
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Actually there are over 20.
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Some of them are major
risk factors and some are
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minor risk factors.
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What I would like to do today
is to talk a little bit about
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some of the less well
known but still very important
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risk factors.
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Well, let's talk about those.
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What are some of the less known
but very important risk factors?
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One of them is homocysteine and
that we could have one or two
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programs just
talking about that.
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But high homocysteine levels
in the blood is a risk factor
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for heart disease.
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This was known around the same
time that cholesterol was coming
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on the picture, on the screen.
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But cholesterol kind of eclipsed
the homocysteine stuff and
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that didn't reemerge as a
serious problem until just a
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few years ago.
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None the less homocysteine
is an amino acid or one of the
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building blocks of the proteins
that can build up in our blood
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and it is associated with an
increased risk of heart attacks
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and of strokes.
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So what does it do?
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Your homocysteine is in your
blood and it's cruising around
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in it's little
car - what does it do?
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Does it slam into the
wall, break the windows, got a
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sledge hammer in it's
hand - what does it do?
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As far as we can tell, what
it does it irritates the lining
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of the blood vessel walls
and penetrates the blood vessel
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wall to set up a
reaction in there.
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And that reaction then is
an atherosclerotic reaction or
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it develops a plaque.
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That plaque then can rupture
and cause a stroke if it's one
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of the arteries in the neck or
in the brain or if the artery is
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is in the heart then
it can cause heart attack.
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So are there like foods
that we eat that are high in
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homocysteine or what is
it that causes it to elevate?
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There are some foods that
are high in another amino acid
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that then leads to
homocysteine being high.
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Those foods are
foods that are high in the
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amino acid methionine
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Now methionine is found
abundantly in foods of animal
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origin or flesh foods - so
meats, milk, cheese, and eggs -
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they tend to be higher
in methionine than foods of
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plant based.
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Now that's the methionine side.
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But there are some other factors
such as lack of some of their
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vitamins like vitamin B6,
vitamin B12, and folic acid.
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If you don't have this in your
diet or it's not adequate in
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the diet, then that can
lead to an accumulation of the
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homocysteine which is
produced by the methionine.
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Ok, so let's talk
about that a minute.
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The B12 then being something
that many times we hear
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vegetarians don't get
enough of are those who are on
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plant based foods.
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Does that mean they are at
more risk for their homocysteine
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going up?
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Some people it would be if
they absolutely aren't getting
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vitamin B12 enough in their diet
and not supplementing it either.
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Those people would be at
increased risk of having higher
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homocysteine levels.
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What people usually
don't realize is that the body
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does not make vitamin B12.
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Animals don't make vitamin B12.
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We have to get vitamin B12
from something that we ingest.
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For people who eat meat, when
they eat the meat they get the
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vitamin B12 from the meat
or they drink milk and they get
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it that way.
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For people who are
total vegetarians the best way
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to get it is to supplement it
in the diet using one of these
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little easily available
supplements that will be
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dissolved in the mouth.
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So like a B complex vitamin?
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Actually I don't recommend
using B complex vitamins because
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those are usually in
pills that people swallow.
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B12 to be most
effective ought to be best
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dissolved in the mouth.
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So there are B12 preparations
either liquids, some are sprays
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or some are just these little
dots that you can crush, and
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the amount that you
need is really very small,
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very little bit.
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It's. 1 micro grams per
day somebody needs and that's
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a really small amount.
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One of the ways that I tell
patients that they can take this
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is to get some B12 supplement,
crush it, keep it in a little
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vile on the dining table or
kitchen counter and once a day
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take a clean toothpick, stick
it into this crushed tablet,
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whatever is stuck on the
toothpick that's about how much
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you need for the day.
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And then of course
you discard the toothpick.
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What about these other
substitute milks and different
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things that have B12 in them?
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If they have the B12
supplemented then of course
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that's a way to get it as well.
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Now, just a question, and we're
asking because it relates to
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homocysteine.
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Because if you're low in that
then that elevates, like you
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mentioned, in the blood stream.
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Where do the animals
get their vitamin B12?
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They get their vitamin B12 from
the bacteria that they have or
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if it's a carnivorous animal
it will get it from animals
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that it eats.
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Ok, just wondered
where they got that.
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So, homocysteine
then needs to be low.
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Do you at the
Lifestyle Center of America
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check for homocysteine?
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We check just about every
patient that comes through our
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center who is at risk for
a coronary artery disease or
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atherosclerosis.
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We check their homocysteine
levels which means most of the
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people who come there.
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We also have a good track record
in terms of what happens even
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within 7 days of the
homocysteines being lowered
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significantly in most of
the people who come through
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just by changing their
lifestyle to the way we do.
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This was published in the
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Journal of the
American Medical Association
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back in 1997.
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Is that right?
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If you're wanting to
lower that homocysteine level
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the Lifestyle Center of America
or a program similar to that
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would be helpful.
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What are some other less known
but very important risk factors
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for heart disease?
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Another one that has emerged
recently was kind of suspected
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maybe 10-15 years ago and more
and more we see greater evidence
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of that, is
infection by an organism called
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Chlamydia pneumonia.
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Now this is a bug that we can
pick up in a variety of ways.
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The most important being
through sexual transmission.
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This bug then sets up an
inflammatory response on the
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person's arteries.
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Then responding to
this inflammation develops
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atherosclerosis.
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So extra marital affairs of
the heart are bad for the heart.
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That's correct.
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Ok, you put it
that way. - laughter -
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Besides then the sexually
transmitted diseases, which
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I think they're a very
large problem in America.
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I know that when I worked
in an emergency department
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as a nurse, we saw a lot
of people with Chlamydia.
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How big a problem is
this Chlamydia in America?
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It's a fairly sizable problem.
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Most people who are working
in the field realize that
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herpes is probably number
one and Chlamydia is a close
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number two.
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Now, Chlamydia,
then what does it do?
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Does it get into your heart?
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It doesn't have to get into
the heart necessarily, but it
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circulates in the blood.
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And its circulation in
the blood somehow triggers the
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inflammatory response so
the body is reacting against the
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Chlamydia actually is what seems
to stimulate the production of
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atherosclerotic plaque or
hardening of the arteries.
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Now we have been able to isolate
Chlamydia type particles in
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atherosclerotic plaque as
well as finding other markers of
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inflammation of the inflammatory
response in the blood.
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The higher these markers are
for inflammation often times the
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higher the risk
of heart disease.
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So I'm sure the sexually
transmitted diseases of course
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probably effect a lot of ages,
but probably those that are
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young that are just starting
out thinking about those kind of
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things, they probably just don't
understand that what they could
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do as a young person can
be affecting their heart.
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They can develop
heart disease from it.
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That's correct.
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My advise to any young
person is the best way is
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the Bible way.
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That is you stay away
from sexual activity until the
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appropriate time which
is when you are married.
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We have about 2 minutes and
you have a another couple here.
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What are the other less known
but important factors before
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we go to our break?
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Well, one of the issues,
and perhaps we can spend a great
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deal of time talking
about this one is stress.
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In the past, people knew about
the Type A personality and so on
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and the fact that people
are under a lot of stress seemed
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to have more problems
with coronary artery disease
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or atherosclerosis,
heart attacks and others.
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This has been shown
to be not quite as true
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as it was thought before.
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So just because I get things
done and I'm driven and all that
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doesn't mean I'm necessarily
going to have heart disease?
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That's correct, it doesn't
mean that you're going to have
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heart disease...
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The CEO's, the Leo Koko types,
or the others that are in charge
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of the big corporations are
they usually in good health?
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Well, some of them actually
have very good health programs
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in that they follow a
very disciplined pattern -
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they exercise, they
eat more appropriately.
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You'd be surprised that the
health of many of the executive
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types is actually quite good
because these people are paying
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attention to what keeps them
in tip-top shape so that their
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minds can be clear so they can
be thinking and making critical
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decisions as best as they can.
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So everybody really
should be thinking like a CEO.
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You are in charge, your
are the chief executive officer
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of all those cells in your body,
over the one billion neurons
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in your brain,
you are important.
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Ok, so stress then is important
but it's more as it relates
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to different factors other than
Type A personality and what not.
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That's correct.
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In 1972 there were two
researchers that came up with a
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Type A issue.
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That was found a few years
later to not really pan out.
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And another group, the Western
Kilometer Study Group, actually
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demonstrated that
there's another set of factors
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within the set of individuals
who have Type A personality
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that actually might be the thing
that produces the heart disease.
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We're talking with
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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and he has some other factors
that are very important that
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Welcome back.
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We're talking with
Dr. Zeno Charles-Marcel
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from the
Lifestyle Center of America
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there in beautiful Oklahoma
positioned right there on the
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top of that beautiful
mountain and all those trees
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and different things.
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People just get healthy
even seeing pictures of that
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sometimes.
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So we're told.
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And you get to live
there and to minister there.
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We've been talking about heart
disease, about risk factors that
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all of us know about -
high blood pressure, obesity,
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diabetes, all these
different kind of things.
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But then you started to identify
some less known but very
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important risk factors, those
being Chlamydia, homocysteine,
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inflammatory processes that
are involved with that, and then
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we introduced stress.
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But there was something about
stress that we kind of left
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that's very important.
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What is that very important
thing that we can't be involved
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with if we want to
avoid heart disease?
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Let me set the
stage a little bit.
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Let's suppose, the viewers
at home, let's suppose you had a
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very important appointment and
you had to take a flight before
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you got to your appointment
to get there in time.
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Now you schedule the flight
so you get there a half hour
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before.
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You had arranged for somebody
to pick you up and take you to
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your important appointment.
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Ok, I think I've
been there before.
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Alright, so
everything is working alright.
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They call for people to
enter the plane on time...
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This must be not like my
normal carrier - laughter -
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Everything is working out fine
except as you're getting on the
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plane, you realize that they are
having a little scurry because
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someone who is supposed to
be on the plane is running late.
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Oh, and they tell you that.
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And you find out, you hear
them talking, and when you see
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here comes this person coming
along with multiple packages.
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Those in the overhead bin
and underneath and underneath
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your bin...
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I mean much too much.
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I have met this
person! - laughter -
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Have you ever been that person?
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Ohhh - I hate to say I think
I probably have! - laughter -
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So here comes the person and
the attendants try to expedite
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the situation.
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You have gone on the plane.
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You're sitting down.
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You know it's time for
them to close the doors.
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The person comes on the plane.
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They're not finding a seat.
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They're trying to stuff things
up over the overhead bins.
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They're trying to stuff things
underneath and things just
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aren't working out.
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Now I have been in that flight!
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Right!
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Now how are you feeling
as I'm talking about this?
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Ahhh... I'm
feeling a little anxious!
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Ok, a little bit anxious.
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I'm feeling a
little bit frustrated!
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All right, finally
the person is sat down...
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And they sit right next to you!
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Maybe! - Laughter -
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And now the plane backs out.
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You head down the runway and
as you're taxing out you stop.
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The plane broke?
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The plane
stopped... no, nothing broken.
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You wait.
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So you're not hearing anything
from the pilot - nothing.
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You look at your watch.
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Minutes are ticking by.
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You don't hear anything.
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Finally the pilot comes on and
the pilot says something like
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this, "Ladies and gentlemen,
we're sorry to inform you but
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because of our delay in pushing
back from the terminal we lost
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our slot and it looks as
though it's going to be about
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15 minutes before we can
get back into the queue. "
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And you say?
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15 minutes plus we
already lost some time!
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How are you feeling?
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"Perfect peace have they
that love Thy law and nothing
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shall offend them. "
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I'm looking at those
texts right now and I'm
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claiming those promises.
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Ok.
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So the flight takes off and
everything is working all right.
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The pilot says, "Look, it looks
as though we have a tail wind.
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We're going to be
getting there actually on time.
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So what we lost, don't worry
about it, we're going to be
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getting there on time. "
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How does that sound to you now?
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Ohhhh, I'm feeling much better!
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Oh, relief!
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I'm saying, "Why did I spend
all of that energy being upset?"
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If there's a difference
between how you're feeling now
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and how you were feeling when
we were talking about what was
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going on, you know the delays,
that highlights that there is a
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difference in what's
going on physiologically
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on the inside of you.
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You see, stress is
not an external thing.
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Stress is
actually an inside job.
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Now, what the researchers
have been able to demonstrate
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is that this thing
that's inside of us...
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That knot in the stomach.
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It is actually a greater
predictor of your dying of a
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heart attack than all of
the other risk factors combined!
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Really?
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So that knot in the stomach,
that feeling of frustration,
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and all that, if
that happens a lot you are
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setting yourself up.
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You are setting yourself up.
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You see the issue is
not just what we eat,
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it's actually what's eating us!
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The issue isn't just one
of hardening of the arteries.
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But it is actually one
of hardening of the heart.
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Because this thing that's inside
of us, if I ask you, "Where does
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it come from,"
what would you say?
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It's got to be your mind.
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Yes, it's just
generated in there.
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Now we can learn how to
take care of it in the sense we
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can learn to
change our behavior.
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In other words, we don't stomp
up and down in the airplane.
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And if the person sits next to
us we don't just turn our backs
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to the person.
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We actually talk to
them and try to calm down.
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So we might learn how to behave
even though the situation may
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not be an optimal situation.
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But it doesn't negate
the fact that this thing
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is on the inside.
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Now let me ask you a question.
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You are a Christian physician.
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And so I assume you read your
Bible and believe in Christ.
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That's correct.
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Did Christ have that
kind of anger when He saw the
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money changers in the temple
and they were doing things
00:21:09.66\00:21:13.71
in church they
shouldn't have done?
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I believe not.
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I believe what He had, this
righteous indignation, was one
00:21:16.05\00:21:20.31
that was mixed with compassion.
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He had compassion for the people
who did not know that what they
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were doing was wrong.
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See, on the cross one of
the things that He said was,
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"Father for give them. "
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Now He could have been very
upset with what they were doing
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that was very unjust.
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But He said,
"Father forgive them. "
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The issue with this thing
that we have inside, it has been
00:21:39.93\00:21:43.97
characterized,
scientifically, as hostility.
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And there are 3 components
to the hostility that is
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associated with atherosclerosis
and hardening of the arteries.
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If you have these you
know that you have the
00:21:53.17\00:21:54.52
wrong kind of thing going on.
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What are those three?
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Those three things
are: anger - actual rage,
00:22:00.18\00:22:05.97
aggression - that
is when we act out...
00:22:06.00\00:22:10.39
So you're going down the road,
you get angry at that person and
00:22:10.42\00:22:13.28
you swerve your car -
and that's aggression?
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That's aggression.
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And the third is cynicism.
00:22:16.32\00:22:20.24
In other words you
get there and you say,
00:22:20.27\00:22:21.67
"Well, I just had
a great trip today. "
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Or you don't believe.
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You're not
believing that everything
00:22:25.66\00:22:28.46
is going to go all right.
00:22:28.50\00:22:29.47
You're cynical - This flight?
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No, this flight is not
going to get there on time
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because it never has.
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If you have those elements
that's damaging your heart?
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That's damaging your
heart, that's correct.
00:22:37.63\00:22:38.92
Now the issue then becomes
one of how do we change that?
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I don't know too many people
that are really able to change
00:22:42.93\00:22:46.07
their minds for themselves.
00:22:46.10\00:22:48.09
Now we say we change our minds
all the time, that is we tarry
00:22:48.12\00:22:52.12
between two decisions and we
choose one or we choose another.
00:22:52.15\00:22:55.05
But to really change
your heart on the inside,
00:22:55.08\00:22:58.40
that's something that
requires special care.
00:22:58.43\00:23:01.59
See, we need a surgeon
to do our heart surgery.
00:23:01.62\00:23:05.42
That surgeon is
actually the Holy Spirit.
00:23:05.45\00:23:08.49
He can change our hearts
and take out our stony hearts
00:23:08.52\00:23:12.95
and replace it
with a heart of flesh.
00:23:12.98\00:23:15.26
And then we're able to look at
these situations not with anger,
00:23:15.29\00:23:20.85
ire, frustration, and aggression
but actually we're able to have
00:23:20.88\00:23:27.05
peace - peace that
passeth understanding.
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You are a scientist.
00:23:29.95\00:23:33.43
Change the hats now.
00:23:33.46\00:23:35.64
Just a couple minutes ago I said
you're a Christian physician
00:23:35.67\00:23:39.18
and I asked you
about that anger.
00:23:39.21\00:23:40.21
But now I'm saying
you're a scientist.
00:23:40.24\00:23:42.16
Is there science behind what
you just said - the Holy Spirit,
00:23:42.19\00:23:45.08
forgiveness,
those type of things?
00:23:45.11\00:23:46.54
While there isn't science
to state that we can prove the
00:23:46.57\00:23:51.56
Holy Spirit by science and
things like that, what we can
00:23:51.59\00:23:54.23
see is that we have evidence of
people whose lives are changed.
00:23:54.26\00:24:00.86
We know that, for
instance, part of the issue with
00:24:00.89\00:24:05.51
hostility, anger, and aggression
it's associated with a
00:24:05.54\00:24:09.38
characteristic that
people have that is identifiable
00:24:09.41\00:24:11.95
scientifically provable, that
is people who have a difficult
00:24:11.98\00:24:15.23
time forgiving.
00:24:15.26\00:24:16.67
Now I have to ask, where
does this desire to forgive,
00:24:16.70\00:24:21.60
where does
forgiveness come from?
00:24:21.63\00:24:23.45
And scientifically we
can't prove where it comes from.
00:24:23.48\00:24:26.70
All we know is that people
either are able to forgive
00:24:26.73\00:24:30.59
or they're not able to forgive.
00:24:30.62\00:24:32.95
Now we have to go to extra
scientific resources to find out
00:24:32.98\00:24:37.42
about this thing of the heart.
00:24:37.46\00:24:39.36
And in the Bible account we find
out that forgiveness actually
00:24:39.39\00:24:43.78
comes from God.
00:24:43.82\00:24:44.79
As we are forgiven, as we
understand that we are forgiven
00:24:44.80\00:24:48.31
it is much easier
for us to forgive.
00:24:48.35\00:24:50.53
Do you see a lot of people
in your practice there at the
00:24:50.57\00:24:53.49
Lifestyle Center of
America that really the issue is
00:24:53.52\00:24:56.41
lack of forgiveness
and this kind of anger?
00:24:56.45\00:24:59.47
I wouldn't say a lot
but a significant number.
00:24:59.50\00:25:02.49
And what do you do?
00:25:02.52\00:25:03.49
What are the things that you do?
00:25:03.50\00:25:04.90
I'm that person now, what
would you say to me and why?
00:25:04.93\00:25:08.60
The thing is you may come with
a question and say, "Here I am
00:25:08.63\00:25:13.49
I'm working out, I'm eating
right, etcetera, how come I
00:25:13.52\00:25:17.24
just had a heart attack?"
00:25:17.27\00:25:18.26
Now the easy way to explain
this is to start off with
00:25:18.29\00:25:21.64
the fact that you have
genetic predispositions as well
00:25:21.68\00:25:25.00
to having heart disease.
00:25:25.03\00:25:26.49
But after getting through
that and we talk about genes
00:25:26.52\00:25:31.35
and so on, you tell me,
"Look my dad, he's 93 years old
00:25:31.39\00:25:36.18
with no problem, my mom
she's 87 with no problem.
00:25:36.22\00:25:39.57
I have no one in my family
who ever had heart disease.
00:25:39.60\00:25:42.12
My cholesterol is normal,
my homocysteine is normal,
00:25:42.15\00:25:46.45
I have no C-reactive protein
elevation in my blood, my
00:25:46.48\00:25:50.43
Chlamydia titer is very
low, so what's the deal?!"
00:25:50.46\00:25:54.33
And while you're sitting
there and you're talking to me,
00:25:54.37\00:25:57.65
I can sense, I can see
that you have difficulty.
00:25:57.69\00:26:02.61
Now I can give you a written
test of 46 items that's a subset
00:26:02.65\00:26:08.07
of the MMPI or the
00:26:08.10\00:26:10.74
Minnesota Multiphase
Personality Inventory.
00:26:10.78\00:26:13.10
And how you respond on that
test will tell me whether you
00:26:13.14\00:26:17.08
have high hostility, whether
it's primarily in the anger,
00:26:17.12\00:26:21.03
aggression, or whether
it's in the cynicism range.
00:26:21.06\00:26:24.86
And if that is the case,
then we have to deal with it.
00:26:24.89\00:26:28.62
And the way we deal with it is
I will have to ask you, "Are you
00:26:28.66\00:26:32.95
willing to forgive this
person or that situation?"
00:26:32.98\00:26:37.23
Because you will have stories
of things that are really
00:26:37.26\00:26:40.37
bothering you.
00:26:40.41\00:26:41.38
That's how people are.
00:26:41.39\00:26:42.75
They would have these things
that they are carrying around.
00:26:42.78\00:26:45.89
It might have been something
that mom did when you were a
00:26:45.92\00:26:48.99
little boy or
something like that.
00:26:49.03\00:26:50.72
And we don't have
to get into all the
00:26:50.75\00:26:52.41
psychoanalysis of those details.
00:26:52.45\00:26:54.05
But what we need to do is...
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We need to identify them.
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They need to be specific things,
specific issues, you help them
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identify those
perhaps and talk about them.
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Is it true that the situation,
that is the other person,
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that you talk
about, may not change
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but you can in fact change.
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That's correct.
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You see forgiveness is actually
something that you can have
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that liberates you and liberates
the other person as well.
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Forgiveness is
really a matter of love.
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Thank you Dr.
Zeno Charles-Marcel.
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We've been talking with
the doctor about heart disease
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and things that really we don't
usually talk about as related to
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heart disease.
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Today we've really focused
in on the last half of this
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program on anger.
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Are you angry?
00:27:39.69\00:27:40.66
Are you
struggling with something?
00:27:40.67\00:27:42.18
Is there someone
you need to forgive?
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Or some situation, some
person you need to forgive?
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We encourage you to
do that and do it now.
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If you need more information
about how to do that, contact
00:27:50.45\00:27:52.82
us here at 3ABN or the
Lifestyle Center of America.
00:27:52.85\00:27:55.94
We hope that as a result that
you'll have health that will
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last for a lifetime.
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