Hello and welcome to
"Health for a Lifetime"
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I'm your host Don Mackintosh
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We're glad you're with us today,
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and we're also glad, Dr.
Nedley, that you're with us,
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and that you could take
time out of your busy schedule
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to help us with a
real dilemma... Thank You!
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That real dilemma
is depression... Yes
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From what you've told me,
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this affects how
many people in America?
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Oh, it affects at
least 14 million people.
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About 10% of the
population will get depression,
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MAJOR depression at
some point in their lifetime.
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What about worldwide?
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Worldwide, it's
even bigger than that...
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It's about 200 million
people affected worldwide.
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So, no matter if you're
here in America watching,
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or around the
world, this is a BIG issue.
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And today, we're going to
talk about some HOPEFUL ways
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to combat depression,
that being those that are
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related to lifestyle.
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These are things that we
can actually DO something about.
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We can do something
about depression, can't we?
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Oh yes, it's largely a disease
of nutrition and lifestyle.
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And if we can get
on the right program,
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we can not only
prevent it, but often treat it!
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Now, before we kind
of get into some of these
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lifestyle factors, I might
just mention to our viewers
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that you can actually
get Dr. Nedley's book.
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He has written a
new book on this;
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it will be out in
the very near future.
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Please consider calling
3ABN and getting information
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about that and how to
get in touch with Dr. Nedley
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because some of the
things we cover today
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...there's all kinds
of footnotes in your book!
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I love that about a book!
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Yes, we document everything
from the scientific standpoint.
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You know, your last
book, "Proof Positive"
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where you had over
2,000 different studies
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where you could just
have at your fingertips,
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and you could find
those references...
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It's really helpful
when you talk to people,
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or when you talk to
your physician to say,
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"Hey, this is why
I'm bringing this up. "
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So it's a great resource.
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Well let's talk about
these lifestyle factors.
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You mentioned here, that
social support is very important
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in combating or avoiding
depression. Why do you say that?
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Yes, well isolationism
actually leads to depression
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in many
instances... not only in humans,
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but also in the animal kingdom.
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When animals are
isolated, they will tend to
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actually suffer
symptoms of depression.
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And the same is even
more true of human beings.
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And so, having a social
support network which includes
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not only good family, but
close friends are important
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in avoiding depression...
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particularly for those that
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already have a
tendency to have depression.
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So when someone
says, who is depressed,
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"I just need time
alone to work through it"
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that's not really a good model.
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Not really a good model... No
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And in fact, there's
something even more important
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than social support, and
that is a sense of belonging.
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A study at the University
of Michigan took a look
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at those factors; social
support or a sense of belonging,
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and they found out the
sense of belonging was even
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MORE important
than social support...
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So there are individuals
that can have lots of friends,
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lots of family, seem like
they're well-socially-connected
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but they don't have a sense
that their family or friends
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really BELONG to them.
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They have no real
sense of belonging,
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and those people are also
a setup for major depression.
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So, the person who thinks
that people are just around them
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because of their
money, because of their looks,
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because of this,
because of that...
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and really
senses like if all that
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was gone, they
would be gone too.
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They're really
set up for depression.
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They're set up for it.
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So how can you
manufacture a sense of belonging
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...it can't be manufactured.
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What gives you a
sense of belonging?
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Did the study say
anything about that?
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No, it didn't say
anything about that.
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That would be a
subject for subsequent studies,
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but there have been other
studies that have alluded to it.
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And that is, if you can get
yourself involved in a cause
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that is helpful
to the community,
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helpful to others, and
that being a team cause...
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where it brings
other people together.
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When you're working towards
the same goals and mission,
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that will often bring
about the sense of belonging,
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and the sense of
closeness that you can't get
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when you're just going
to ballgames, or you're just
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having social things
that aren't really connected
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to an overall purpose and goal.
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So some kind of unifying...
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"This is not only what I'm doing
but this is how it relates to
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why I'm here. " Exactly!
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Well, that kind of reminds ya,
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I mean, being a
pastor as well as a nurse...
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It reminds me of Jesus
and the whole idea to reach
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the whole world, and He
talked about His disciples
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as if they belonged to Him...
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"I haven't lost one of these,
or I don't want to lose any"
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and they belong to Him
and that type of thing.
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So, would... I don't
want to be self-serving
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as a pastor here,
but I have to ask you,
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as a Christian
physician, and as a scientist,
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...would going to church
give a sense of belonging?
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It could give a sense of
belonging, but it may not either
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A lot of churches
are more social clubs...
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than they are really working
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toward a common
purpose and goal,
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and going there might be able
to help in some form or fashion
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just because of the
social connectedness...
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But really, you have to
have an overall goal and purpose
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in mind in order to get
that sense of belonging.
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So let's say you were
going to church because you
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felt as though those
people that you were studying
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the Bible with, or you
had been helping were going to
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be there and you
needed to help them,
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would that be a sense
of belonging? Oh yes...
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That would be a
strong sense of belonging.
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Hey... you're helping me out!
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I think you
should come to my church,
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and we'll just share this.
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Okay, the next thing I see
they have mentioned here is
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cognitive behavioral therapy...
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Sounds like something
you would have for dinner,
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but what is it?
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Well, actually it's a new
type of counseling that has been
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shown to be very effective
as far as combating depression.
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And I should mention,
Don, that the usual type of
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counseling that is being
practiced in this country,
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and that has been
practiced for many years,
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has never been shown to be
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better than
taking a placebo pill.
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And a placebo is a
fake pill, you mean...
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Is a fake pill... a placebo
pill is just a sugar pill,
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or a fake pill that
has no active ingredients,
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and if we were to compare
it to taking a fake pill,
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the traditional
forms of counseling
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do NO better than that.
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So the only thing they do
is make money for somebody.
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Essentially...
and they take up time,
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and they might produce
some sort of friendship.
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But as far as actually
helping the depression,
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it really doesn't seem to
help any better than a placebo.
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So when you mean
regular kind of counseling,
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do you mean... like where
you go in and the person says,
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"Well about your
past, and what about this,
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and what did your
parents do," and this and that,
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and trying to peel
the onion skins off and...
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Yes, that the usual form.
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It's an open-ended;
there's no time limitation
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as far as how long this
thing is going to continue.
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And, it goes in to
your childrearing...
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It goes into the
past events in your life,
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and how they might have
shaped the current situation
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that you are in.
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And, often that
puts blames on others,
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it puts blames on
your childrearing,
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but doesn't
really help you, per se.
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And of course, the
therapist will say,
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"Well, you need to deal
with these suppressed issues. "
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"You never dealt with
this problem that you had with
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your father 25 years ago. "
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And so, you need to go
through some sort of mental task
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of actually dealing with it,
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and that's supposed
to help the depression.
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It doesn't help. Doesn't help...
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And
unequivocally, it does not work.
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So this cognitive
therapy is different than that.
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It's cognitive behavioral
therapy that's talking about
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your thoughts and your
behavior. That's correct
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It has been around
now for about 20 years...
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even though the science behind
it is just now being confirmed.
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Over the last 20
years, there have been now
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MANY controlled studies that
show that it is far superior
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to taking a placebo pill.
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This type of counseling works...
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And it's a type of
counseling that's focused on the
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particular problem; it's
focused on the individual,
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and what that
individual can do differently.
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So it doesn't matter if you're
parents, and your grandparents
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and somebody else...
little Johnny hit you with
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a stick when you
were 3 years old,
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or you had a traumatic birth
that you didn't know about...
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All those
different things are THERE,
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but this kind of thing...
is it the type of thing that
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says, "You're here
now, this is the issue,
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what can YOU do
about it? Exactly
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That's the type of counseling.
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That sounds a
lot like my mother.
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Maybe she knew about
this. Maybe she knew about it!
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Okay so, how does it work?
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What else should
we know about it?
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How can we get involved in that?
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What are the sources for it?
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Well really, if you're
wanting to get counseling,
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you would want to know exactly
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what type of
counseling is being done.
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And if it's the
cognitive behavioral system,
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chances are you've
got a good counselor there
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that's going to be able to work
through some of the problems.
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The interesting thing
is this has also been shown
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to be helpful for
chronic depression.
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Chronic depression is
where you have had major
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depression for at least 2 years.
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And the study that was
done recently, showed that the
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average individual had
been depressed for 20 years...
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And a 20-year period of time
is a LONG time to be depressed.
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And most of these
people have tried medicines;
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they've tried all sorts
of things that have not been
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successful.
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Well, what they did
is, they put them on
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one medication by
the name of "Serzone"
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AND put them through good
cognitive behavioral counseling.
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...85% of those patients
improved in a very rapid
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period of time...
better than what ANYONE
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had ever predicted that chronic
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depressed
patients could get better,
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at least percentage-wise...
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How large a study was that?
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How many people
were in that study?
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There was quite a few...
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Actually I'd have
to take a look here,
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but I must have
it in my footnotes.
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I don't have it in
the actual text here.
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But it was a large enough
study to be published in the
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"New England Journal of
Medicine" just this year.
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Amazing! So actually, a lot of
people that are out there today
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watching and are
languishing in depression,
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maybe for 10, 15, 20
years, anybody over 2 years,
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if they have this combination,
they have some high hopes.
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...85% of those that were in the
study, at least, had that hope.
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That's correct. So
how can you find that?
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You've got a
counselor and you're there...
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How can you find out whether
or not he's really giving you
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the full meal-deal, so-to-speak.
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Well if he starts
going into past events,
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and how they've shaped
your life, that's a red flag.
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Now, of course, a counselor
is going to have to get a
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history on you and help
understand exactly where you are
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and they're going to have
to understand what some of the
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issues are surrounding that...
Still back there at age 5 or 6
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and they stay there for
2 months, that's a problem.
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That is a MAJOR problem,
and I would drop that counselor.
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Okay, so cognitive behavioral
therapy is the way to go.
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You have another one
down here, "owning a pet"
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Yes, now some people,
because of their disability,
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or because of their handicap,
etcetera, may not be able
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to go to church and get
into a connected social group...
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And for these individuals,
we recommend if they don't
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have one, to actually own a pet,
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and to actually
take care of that pet.
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They will then feel a
sense of belonging again.
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They will have a
sense of caring and love,
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and they'll
recognize that there is
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someone that is
dependent on them.
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And this has been
shown to be helpful in select
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depressed patients.
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So for patients
that can't get out,
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can't do this, can't do that...
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Of course you can get depressed
from having too many pets.
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I was just talking to
a lady the other day...
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I was at her house;
she had like 30 cats,
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and this and that, and
it took her all day to...
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and I think she was literally
depressed trying to keep up.
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She was more like a zookeeper.
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Yeah, you can overdo it.
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So, does it matter
what kind of pet you own?
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Well actually, the
studies haven't looked at that
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in a lot of detail, but
you'd want to own a pet that
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can relate to you...
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Probably a turtle
wouldn't be the best.
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A cat or a dog would
probably be pretty good.
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So if you're
going to have an iguana,
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it needs to be a loving iguana!
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One that can interact with you.
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Well, we've been
talking with Dr. Neil Nedley...
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We've been talking
about something that's really
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no laughing matter, especially
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if you're
suffering from depression.
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We're glad that
you're watching today.
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When we come
back from the break,
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We're going to talk about
more lifestyle things that can
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help us avoid or
reverse depression.
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We hope that you're telling
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we come back from this break.
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Welcome back, we've been
talking with Dr. Neil Nedley
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about depression and
what you can do to prevent it,
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or to reverse
it, or to avoid it...
00:14:50.59\00:14:52.80
And we've been talking about
lifestyle factors, Dr. Nedley.
00:14:52.83\00:14:55.53
And, we've talked
about social support...
00:14:55.56\00:14:57.25
We've talked about
cognitive behavioral therapy.
00:14:57.28\00:14:59.86
We've talked even
about owning a pet!
00:14:59.89\00:15:01.39
But now we have some
other interesting things...
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You mention in your book also
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hydrotherapy...
How does that help?
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Hydrotherapy USED to be
used from the 1950s back,
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even in the 1800s A
LOT in mental institutions
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simply because it
worked... particularly for the
00:15:19.72\00:15:22.97
acute anxiety
episodes, and for individuals
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who are out of control,
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they would put
them in a sheet-wrap.
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They would wrap
them up in a wet sheet,
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and then the body
temperature would warm that up
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and then they'd
suddenly be asleep?
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That's right, then by
that time they'd be asleep
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and they'd be under
control, and they'd wake up
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a whole lot better person
than what they went to sleep as.
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But there's been a
resurrection of hydrotherapy.
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A study done at
Michigan State University
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showed that taking a warm bath,
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this would be between
99-103 degrees Fahrenheit
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for about 20-30 minutes before
going to bed, will enhance sleep
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and that actually improves one
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of the major
causes of depression,
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and that is a lack of
sleep, or lack of being
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on the appropriate
circadian rhythm cycle.
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And so it is a good general
rule that about 20-30 minutes
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a warm bath prior to bedtime;
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it doesn't have to
be real sophisticated...
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It could be in a hot tub.
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It just could be
your own bathtub at home.
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It can do a lot in
enhancing sleep and actually
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improving depression.
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You haven't mentioned this,
but I know a lot of places,
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they practice this... and
in hydrotherapy, of course,
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I hope everyone caught that...
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But so-called, ECT therapy,
or electroshock therapy...
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Does that have an effect
that's positive on depression?
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Well, it can help
depression a great deal.
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What it does is
actually induce seizures,
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and it does that
under anesthetic.
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And, by having the
seizures, and having all of this
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output of the neurotransmitters
has actually been shown to
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enhance mood in the long run,
00:17:05.65\00:17:07.97
and actually prevent as well as
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cure rather severe
forms of depression.
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However, it does have
significant side effects.
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It will reduce memory.
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In fact, even
childhood memories that are
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firmly embedded in you
right now... can just be gone!
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And even memories of
things that happened a year ago
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can be gone as a result.
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And so, we really reserve
this only for the very severely
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depressed individual.
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Fortunately, there's a
new type of ECT coming up
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actually utilizing
powerful magnets that seems
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to produce some of the
same benefits without the
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risks of depression.
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And there, there's no
seizure being induced;
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it's not painful at all.
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It's actually putting magnets
on the head and the scalp
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over the frontal
lobe and other areas for
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a 20-minute period of time...
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And this is more
preliminary research,
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but it's showing that it might
be just as effective as ECT
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without the side effects.
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Do they know why that works?
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Well, there are theories as
far as lining up the protons
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and helping out there, but
it's still under investigation.
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So magnetic therapy...
magnet therapy... Yeah
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...as a substitute
for ECT. Interesting!
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You have down here
stress control measures.
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This is VERY important.
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About half of depressed patients
are that way simply because
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they have not coped
adequately with their stress...
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And we always put our depressed
patients, if stress is a major
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factor in there, we
always deal with their coping
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mechanisms of stress,
and help counsel them...
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very similar to
cognitive behavioral therapy,
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and how to deal with the stress.
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So you identify
what the stressors are,
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and why they're there,
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and then help them just
get a handle on that. Yes
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As well as dealing with the
spiritual aspects of stress.
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As far as appropriate
planning is concerned,
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many people are stressed out
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just because they
don't plan appropriately.
00:19:14.24\00:19:15.97
They have too
much on their plate,
00:19:16.01\00:19:17.25
and they really aren't
looking at things as far as
00:19:17.28\00:19:19.95
a day's activities, or a
week's activities... ever do it!
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And so appropriate
planning is very important.
00:19:23.26\00:19:26.94
And then also, not being
anxious about things that
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you don't have any control over
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is another important
stress control measure...
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And, in addition to that,
the appropriate meditation.
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Unfortunately, the world
is using a type of meditation
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that helps with
stress control measures,
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but actually
suppresses the frontal lobe...
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our decision-making
lobe of the brain,
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and that's the
Eastern-type of meditation
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where it's a self-hypnosis.
00:19:55.52\00:19:57.90
A type of balance meditation
is active prayer to God.
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This is where you can
have the same benefit as far as
00:20:02.38\00:20:08.11
stress control is concerned
as the Eastern meditation does,
00:20:08.14\00:20:11.37
but it's going to be a
balanced form of meditation
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that does not
suppress the frontal lobe.
00:20:14.07\00:20:16.85
And like you said, if I
recall, the frontal lobe is
00:20:16.88\00:20:21.79
where this depression
really originates from...
00:20:21.82\00:20:24.06
that's what they're
talking about. Exactly!
00:20:24.09\00:20:25.18
So if you suppress
it, you're not really...
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Wasn't it you that told me
that in the brain, there are
00:20:27.04\00:20:31.15
100 billion neurons and
they have to all be connected
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in the frontal lobe is kind
of the orchestra director...
00:20:34.35\00:20:37.84
That's right...
it's the control center.
00:20:37.97\00:20:38.94
And so if you unconnect
him, you might have some
00:20:38.95\00:20:42.52
benefits but that you
really don't fix the conductor.
00:20:42.55\00:20:46.57
No, it's kind of
like drinking alcohol.
00:20:46.60\00:20:48.51
Alcohol
suppresses the frontal lobe,
00:20:48.54\00:20:50.47
but it makes some
people feel better while
00:20:50.50\00:20:52.90
they're under the influence.
00:20:52.93\00:20:54.22
But unfortunately, alcohol is
00:20:54.25\00:20:56.44
going to end up
causing depression.
00:20:56.48\00:20:58.07
It's one of the risk factors
for depression in and of itself,
00:20:58.11\00:21:01.19
and the same I think is true of
00:21:01.20\00:21:02.53
the Eastern
meditation techniques.
00:21:02.54\00:21:04.08
There are more
short-term benefits,
00:21:04.11\00:21:05.89
but if we were to take a
look at the long-term benefits,
00:21:05.92\00:21:08.90
if it suppresses
the frontal lobe,
00:21:08.91\00:21:10.33
we're going to
run into problems.
00:21:10.36\00:21:11.93
Okay, so if you really
want to treat it, you need to
00:21:11.96\00:21:16.21
be involved with the
higher power there...
00:21:16.24\00:21:18.43
God Himself with
prayer, and focusing on that.
00:21:18.46\00:21:21.72
You mention also a few
things about herbal therapies,
00:21:21.75\00:21:26.07
ginkgo and SAM-e...
Tell us about those.
00:21:26.10\00:21:30.18
How do those help?
00:21:30.21\00:21:31.28
Yes, St. John's Wort has
been shown in controlled studies
00:21:31.31\00:21:33.93
to be helpful
for mild depression,
00:21:33.94\00:21:36.04
and I have used it in my
practice in certain individuals
00:21:36.07\00:21:41.00
with success.
00:21:41.03\00:21:43.26
It can have some
side effects as well.
00:21:43.29\00:21:46.35
We need to consider
that these herbs act very
00:21:46.38\00:21:49.43
similarly to certain medications
00:21:49.46\00:21:52.26
and so we have to be
alert to the side effects.
00:21:52.29\00:21:55.31
Ginkgo biloba is
another one that can help.
00:21:55.34\00:21:57.70
It can also have some side
effects in thinning the blood.
00:21:57.73\00:22:00.49
And then, third, the
most popular is SAM-e.
00:22:00.52\00:22:03.73
It's a very expensive
form of treating depression.
00:22:03.76\00:22:06.85
The SAM is "S"
The "A" is adenosyl,
00:22:06.88\00:22:13.04
and the "M" is methionine.
00:22:13.07\00:22:14.42
Those are chemistry terms.
00:22:14.45\00:22:16.41
But the SAM-e has been
shown to be very helpful in
00:22:16.44\00:22:20.47
those that have
significant major depression,
00:22:20.48\00:22:23.85
as long as they're not
bipolar or have manic depression
00:22:23.88\00:22:27.01
It can actually cause mania
in susceptible individuals.
00:22:27.04\00:22:31.87
And you say it's expensive.
Why... because you have to
00:22:31.90\00:22:33.65
form it in a laboratory
or something... or what?
00:22:33.68\00:22:36.01
Well, it just hasn't
been mass-produced enough,
00:22:36.04\00:22:39.99
and so you can buy it
in your vitamin store,
00:22:40.02\00:22:43.01
or in your herbal store,
or even your local pharmacy.
00:22:43.04\00:22:45.47
But to get enough, it
takes 800 mg twice a day to
00:22:45.50\00:22:50.26
really help major
rather severe depression,
00:22:50.29\00:22:53.51
and to get enough of that,
would be about $250 per month.
00:22:53.54\00:22:57.22
Wow, yeah... that is expensive.
00:22:57.25\00:22:59.24
But I'm sure that some
people would be willing
00:22:59.27\00:23:01.95
to pay ANYTHING to
get over their depression.
00:23:01.98\00:23:03.89
Yes, that's true, and lower
00:23:03.92\00:23:05.11
doses can help as
well in certain instances.
00:23:05.14\00:23:08.65
Now come back to
this frontal lobe aspect,
00:23:08.68\00:23:11.40
and maybe we can just spend
the rest of our time together,
00:23:11.43\00:23:14.97
we have about 5
minutes; let's focus in on that.
00:23:15.00\00:23:17.87
Since it's the major
headquarters for this issue
00:23:17.90\00:23:21.82
of depression
really, what should we do?
00:23:21.85\00:23:26.48
What can we say about it?
00:23:26.51\00:23:27.59
What should we do to
enhance its function?
00:23:27.62\00:23:29.86
What should we avoid
that decreases its function?
00:23:29.89\00:23:32.86
One of the things that I look
at in any depressed individual
00:23:32.89\00:23:36.11
is "Are they living
up to their conscience?"
00:23:36.14\00:23:38.77
You know the frontal
lobe is the center of
00:23:38.80\00:23:40.84
spirituality,
morality and the will.
00:23:40.87\00:23:42.83
This is what is really
supposed to be directing us.
00:23:42.84\00:23:45.92
And if we are undergoing
behaviors that are contrary
00:23:45.95\00:23:50.11
to what we know is right,
00:23:50.14\00:23:51.47
in order for us to
feel okay about that,
00:23:51.50\00:23:54.80
we actually have to
suppress our frontal lobe,
00:23:54.83\00:23:58.24
and, thus, our
conscience doesn't bother us
00:23:58.27\00:24:01.14
as much, and we're
not pricked as much.
00:24:01.17\00:24:03.28
And when we do this, we
can end up with depression
00:24:03.31\00:24:07.40
as the end result.
00:24:07.43\00:24:08.47
Now that's not saying
every depressed patient
00:24:08.50\00:24:10.59
is going against
their conscience,
00:24:10.62\00:24:12.54
and that's why
they got depressed,
00:24:12.57\00:24:13.95
but that could be a major
hit playing a role as far as
00:24:13.98\00:24:17.74
the depression is concerned.
00:24:17.75\00:24:19.10
So you have to look for what
their source of authority is
00:24:19.13\00:24:22.01
and whether or not
they're living up to that.
00:24:22.04\00:24:23.86
What the people that live
with say is right and wrong
00:24:23.89\00:24:26.48
and whether
they're living up to that.
00:24:26.51\00:24:27.77
Yeah, the prophet
Elijah is an example of that.
00:24:27.80\00:24:30.69
You know, he suffered
from rather severe depression
00:24:30.72\00:24:33.45
but he ran away from Jezebel.
00:24:33.48\00:24:35.93
The Lord never
told him to do that,
00:24:35.96\00:24:37.79
and finally, the Lord had to
say... "What doest thou here?"
00:24:37.82\00:24:40.84
And so when a person is
diagnosed with major depression,
00:24:40.87\00:24:45.10
I ask them, "What doest
thou here?"... in a sense.
00:24:45.13\00:24:48.48
They need to reanalyze things.
00:24:48.52\00:24:50.26
Are they really living
up to their conscience?
00:24:50.29\00:24:52.13
Have they done some
things, and are continuing to do
00:24:52.16\00:24:57.36
some things that they
know isn't quite right,
00:24:57.39\00:24:59.68
but don't know how
to get OUT of that.
00:24:59.71\00:25:02.46
And that's where the
spirituality comes in as well.
00:25:02.49\00:25:06.36
Enhancing the spiritual
focus and actually providing
00:25:06.40\00:25:09.87
through divine
intervention which is
00:25:09.90\00:25:13.25
extremely
important in depression.
00:25:13.28\00:25:15.59
Having them take hold
of the divine intervention
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that can help them to
change their lifestyle
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so it lines up
with their conscience.
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So renewing their mind
through the Bible promises,
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and living up to the
things they see in Scripture,
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or within their
source of authority,
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and aligning
themselves with that.
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It's a very important
aspect in treating depression.
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So I imagine things, then,
that we would want to avoid
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that DON'T enhance the
frontal lobe optimal functioning
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would be like alcohol and
caffeine and anything that...
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Yeah, caffeine is a
frontal lobe suppressant,
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and caffeine has been
shown to actually increase
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the risk of depression,
particularly when it's used
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in large amounts.
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What about watching comedy,
and watching funny people on TV.
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It seems like
they'd all be laughing,
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and they'd feel much better.
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Well, for the short-term only.
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Entertainment
television actually suppresses
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the frontal lobe of the brain.
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It actually is a form
of hypnosis if we were to
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take a look at it real closely.
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And as a result, it is
NOT a good therapy as far as
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depression is concerned.
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In fact, it can
actually LEAD to depression.
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And so, if you're
going to watch television,
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you want to watch
educational television.
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And the way you can
tell the difference is
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pretty much instantaneous.
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If there's a rapid
scene of reference change,
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every 3 seconds
entertainment television
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changes a scene of reference...
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That is going to
produce a hypnotic effect,
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and it can lead to problems with
the frontal lobe of the brain.
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Educational television
will stay on a subject
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for a longer period of time,
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as this program
is doing fortunately.
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And so there is no depression
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of the frontal
lobe that takes place
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and you can learn
from educational TV. while
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utilizing the
frontal lobe of the brain.
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We've been
talking to Dr. Neil Nedley
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We've been
talking about depression.
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Let me ask you one question
before we close out this program
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and thank you so
much for sharing with us
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about depression today.
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Can an individual that
has trust and faith in God...
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and is doing everything
correctly, so-to-speak,
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can that person, even
though there are life stressors,
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like losing a
spouse, or this or that,
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can they expect to live their
life without major depression?
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Even they can
have major depression,
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but the good news is they
don't have to stay depressed
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if they get on the good
nutrition and lifestyle program.
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We've been talking
with Dr. Neil Nedley
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We've talked about depression.
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We've talked about what it is.
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We've talked
about how to avoid it.
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How to prevent
it. How to reverse it.
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If you'd like more
information, contact 3ABN,
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and thanks for joining us today.
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