Participants: Bernell Baldwin, Don Mackintosh
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000052
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00:47 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:49 I'm your host Don Macintosh 00:51 and today we're delighted to have Dr. Bernell Baldwin with us 00:54 You're a neurophysiologist, is that right? 00:57 Correct. And what does that mean? 00:59 That means "how does the brain work?" 01:02 All right, you know how that works. 01:04 To quite a degree. Okay, good. 01:07 Well, we're delighted to have you here today, 01:09 and we're going to be talking about soy! Yes 01:13 I understand that soybeans, 01:15 I think that's what we call them here at least... Yes 01:19 Soybeans are quite a cash crop. 01:21 Oh yes, #2 in the United States. 01:24 They're all over the place. 01:25 Well why would a brain scientist need to talk about soy? 01:29 Because we're looking for answers instead of just problems 01:34 So there's something to soybeans besides money... 01:36 Oh yes! A LOT in soy besides money. 01:40 DuPont has discovered soy. 01:43 Okay... What do you mean by that? 01:46 They're putting millions of bucks into exploiting 01:50 the nutritional potential of soy. 01:54 Okay, so what good is there in soy for our lives? 01:59 Excellent question! Okay... excellent question! 02:02 #1... My biochemistry teacher at George Washington University, 02:06 Dr. Treadwell won a quarter of a million dollars 02:10 to find a cholesterol blocking agent... 02:13 And he went all the way around the molecule in Germanic fashion 02:18 with methyl, ethyl, propyl, isopropyl groups... 02:22 all around the molecule, and he found some that really worked! 02:27 But he said, "Students, the best blocking agents we've been 02:31 able to find in all our years of research 02:36 are already available in soy and whole wheat. 02:40 Is that right? Right! 02:42 So he took the whole molecule, he studied the structure, 02:45 and he said, "What would fit in there to block it. " Yes, right! 02:48 And he said the best thing is wheat and soy. 02:52 I've already got it! 02:53 So, anybody that gets teased about eating a soy burger, 02:56 they know something now. ... Know better! 03:00 So soy has got plant sterols in it, and these plant sterols 03:07 keep cholesterol from getting into the blood, 03:12 and it works something like this... 03:14 Cholesterol comes knocking in the ileum, sort of like this... 03:19 It knocks and it says, "May I come into your arteries?" 03:25 "I'd like to visit your coronaries" 03:28 The cholesterol is saying this... "Yes" 03:30 And the body replies, "SIR, soy has been here first!" 03:38 "The men's room is to your left" 03:43 And with a high fiber diet, this cholesterol is 03:47 soaked up with the fiber, and it goes bye-bye forever. 03:51 That's probably the most inventive 03:54 depiction of soy I've ever heard. 03:57 What else does soy have for us besides saying... 03:59 "goodbye to cholesterol" 04:01 Soy has got a super combination of amino acids. 04:05 Okay, and what does that mean? 04:08 Plenty... In the old days, the more lysine a food had in it, 04:15 the BETTER IT WAS! 04:16 Because look, the animals grow FASTER on very high lysine. 04:21 And then they found out, after years of promoting this concept, 04:25 and after pushing this on the developing third world, 04:29 all of a sudden they find out... 04:30 OOPS! The faster they grow, the sooner they die. 04:39 Now we know, thanks to the research of Dr. Albert Sanchez, 04:47 a U.S. U.C.L.A. trained amino acid chemist, 04:52 he discovered and published, years ago, that arginine 04:56 found in soy and in other vegetable protein sources, 05:01 this arginine will go into your body and it will liberate 05:08 a special blood vessel opener, a vasodilator. 05:13 So arginine will liberate nitric oxide, 05:16 and this will go in and it will open the brain in your computers 05:21 ...in your heart, and in your kidneys for 05:25 blood pressure control. 05:26 So soy is better than meat for 05:32 the brain, for the heart and for the kidneys. 05:36 So in other words, the arginine is what causes things to dilate, 05:42 and that's what's found in soy. 05:44 It's really healthy for us, but that lysine 05:47 is not as good for us; it causes to grow too fast, 05:49 and it causes heart disease, 05:51 all those different types of things. Yes 05:52 Now here's some proof of this... 05:56 If you take rabbits and give them casein from cow's milk, 06:02 they will get atherosclerosis. 06:05 If you give them extra arginine, you stop this. 06:10 So that the balance of the amino acids is very essential, 06:16 and "Sanchez and Willard"... 06:19 Dr. Willard at Loma Linda has collaborated with Sanchez, 06:24 and they published on this... 06:25 And "Krichevsky" in Washington, a few weeks ago, 06:30 I heard him lecture on this in person, 06:32 and he is very CLEAR that we want arginine UP 06:37 and lysine MODERATE for the well-being of society. 06:41 Is that what he said, "the well-being of society" 06:44 Let me ask you this question then... 06:45 Is arginine then available in any other place 06:49 aside from soy, which of course you said... 06:51 Oh yes, ALMONDS have GOT it! 06:53 Almonds and what else? And WALNUTS! 06:55 Almonds and walnuts and soy! AND LEGUMES! 06:58 And also garbanzos, and seeds have also got this. 07:03 Love garbanzos... You're making me hungry! 07:05 So we're dealing with principles, not just - 07:09 we aren't trying to sell a product. 07:11 All right, any other active ingredients 07:13 in soy that really help us? 07:15 Ah YES! We're just getting STARTED! 07:18 You've GOT phytochemicals in soy... like genistein. 07:24 Genistein, explain what that does. 07:26 Genistein... It keeps your DNA cool, 07:32 so that under the microscope, if you take a cancer cell 07:37 from a lady who is dying with cancer of the breast, 07:40 1 out of 8 are going to get this... 07:44 And in a nonsmoking lady, in the Western world, 07:47 cancer of the breast is the commonest cancer that they get. 07:54 ...That, and it's real close to cancer of the bowel. 07:57 All right. So you take out a cell... 07:59 Take out a cell, put it under a microscope, 08:02 and if you put genistein around it, 08:04 it restrains the wild growth of cancer. 08:10 WOW... So in other words, if you take soy, 08:13 it would stop breast cancer... 08:14 Let's say "restrain it" Restrain it. Yes 08:20 And it could prevent it before it ever happened. 08:24 This is why classical Japanese women are 4 times better 08:30 than Americans for cancer of the breast. 08:33 They don't get it... as much. Yes, right, 4 times better 08:37 And after the menopause, 8-10 times better. 08:41 So they eat a lot of soy in Japan, I assume. 08:43 ...20 grams of soy a day, average in classical Japan. 08:48 Well this genistein, am I pronouncing that right? Yes 08:51 Can you just buy that by itself? Certainly! 08:54 Is it as good for you? No 08:56 Because the entrepreneurs don't know the REST of the story 09:00 And what's the rest of the story? 09:02 There are other phytochemicals in soy... like daidzein, 09:06 and fibers, and saponin, and trypsin inhibitors, 09:12 and various other things... 09:14 That the entrepreneurs aren't on to. 09:17 So, the bottom line on that is very simple... 09:19 WHOLE FOOD FOR WHOLE PEOPLE 09:22 That's good... whole food for whole people. 09:25 So, genistein, does it occur anywhere else besides soy? 09:28 Oh yes, you can get it in some of the legumes. 09:35 But, in the latest issue of "The Journal of Health and Healing" 09:40 we very carefully condensed 2 pages of the best sources 09:48 known in the entire world, 09:49 and you can get this from the University of Iowa 09:53 on your computer... 09:54 You can get 20 pages of information direct measurements 09:58 of genistein in all known foods... 10:01 And you'll find that soy is WAY AHEAD of any other source 10:06 known in the world. 10:09 Is anyone ever allergic to soy? 10:11 Of course, you can be allergic to anything. 10:13 Okay, and... Here's the way to do it... 10:16 It's very simple... STICK TO SOY DOWN THE GULLET 10:23 OF THE BABY when the baby is 2 months old. 10:27 Soy formula? Yes, right... and soybeans 10:32 because, you know, the earlier the better is the philosophy. 10:37 Deadeye wrong! 10:41 Whereas the way to prevent allergies 10:43 is to give the soy to mother, see... 10:48 And give this child breastfeeding 10:53 as long as possible... like at least one-half a year, 10:57 preferably even longer... 10:59 And then, the mother's immune system will be transferred 11:04 to quite a degree to the infant, 11:06 and you'll have less colic, less midnight troubles, 11:09 less 2 a. m. troubles, and better sleep for 11:12 mother and daddy, better sleep for the child, 11:16 and a lot better immune architecture, 11:19 than if you STICK cheap orange juice with peel oil in it 11:24 and wheat, fruits and vegetables and pureed pork liver, 11:32 and all this other stuff that they 11:34 stick to these babies when they're too young. 11:36 And even soymilk is not good for them at that age. 11:39 It would be better... mother's milk would be better, 11:43 but soymilk would be WAY AHEAD of cow's milk! 11:46 Cow's milk is ideal food for a baby cow. 11:52 Now that's profound... but I think maybe sometimes 11:55 we forget that, don't we? Yes, this is easy to do. 11:59 All right, so let's say that we are allergic to soy, 12:03 and we can't get the genistein; 12:04 we can't get the arginine that's there... 12:07 We know there are some other sources... 12:08 You've said there are some other sources for genistein. 12:11 What's the #2 best source? 12:15 Or 3, or 4, or 5... Red clover. 12:20 Red clover... where do we get that? 12:24 Red clover grows in the meadow. 12:27 Yeah, I understand that, but I mean, 12:29 how often do we eat red clover? 12:31 Not very often, but it comes in a tea. 12:34 Now this is a little fun, but 10 years ago 12:39 red clover topped tea was considered to be... 12:44 may I put on academic garb? Sure! 12:48 Red clover... this is a placebo 12:52 preparation for 19th century older ladies. 12:56 Is that what they said? 10 years ago... 12:59 So, it's a happy pill; it doesn't really do anything. 13:02 Yes, it doesn't do anything. 13:03 NOW WE KNOW, that red clover top tea liberates genistein 13:09 into the body so it helps prevent 13:12 cancer of the breast in ladies. 13:15 It liberates the genistein that occurs in it? Yes 13:20 So it does occur in red clover. 13:22 Now, to be technical, it's a methoxy derivative. 13:26 But see, there's a little side chain on there "meth-oxy" 13:30 and in the body, this goes off 13:32 and the genistein goes in the blood. 13:34 And, it's not just women, it's men. 13:38 Now look, take Japan... 13:39 Cancer of the prostate is the commonest cancer, 13:44 outside of skin, that men get... 13:47 In Japan, on the soy program, you may have 13:51 3 spots of cancer in the prostate, 13:55 but none of them are doing anything; 13:57 none of them are going anywhere. WHY? 13:59 SOY... Keeps the lid on cancer. 14:06 Someone told me that... 14:08 Recently I was talking to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, 14:11 Cleveland Clinic, and he told me that in the 1950s 14:16 I think it was, or a little bit before that, 14:19 it might have been the statistic he shared, 14:21 there was only 18 cases of prostate surgery, 14:24 and then he said, now that the diet has been westernized, 14:27 it has really increased. It's out of sight now... 14:33 And the reason for that, you're suggesting is 14:35 because they've moved maybe away from soy 14:37 and more towards the Western diet or what? 14:39 Overfeeding of the wrong stuff! This will do that. 14:45 What about the protein in soy, is it as good as the 14:48 protein we get in meat or vegetables? It's BETTER! 14:51 It's better, why? 14:52 Because it's got a better amino acid balance... 14:56 And you get less atherosclerosis on this balance. 14:59 Now it's true, look... 15:01 What do you mean by the amino acid balance? Oh... 15:05 Well, it needs to have enough of all the essential vitamins, 15:10 all the essential amino acids, and it's got 15:12 to have a balance of those essentials... 15:15 so that you have MAXIMUM IMMUNE POWER! 15:18 The amino acids, maybe just tell... 15:19 maybe someone has not taken chemistry or different things. 15:23 The amino acids are sort of like 15:24 the ABCD, the alphabet of protein, right? 15:27 The BRICK in the walls of life! 15:30 All right, so if you have all those letters in the alphabet, 15:32 you could spell all the words you need, 15:34 but if you don't, you can't. 15:35 Is that what you mean? Sure 15:36 No, we aren't going to sit here and say... 15:39 that soy is a silver bullet... NO 15:42 We're saying that soy is an excellent component 15:46 of a good, wise nutritional program. 15:49 We've been talking to Dr. Bernell Baldwin 15:53 We're talking about soy proteins soy products. 15:56 When we come back, I'm going to ask him how to tame tofu. 15:59 Whether or not it's good for us, 16:00 and we're going to look at some practical applications 16:03 to what we've been learning, and hope that you can join us. 16:08 Have you found yourself wishing that you could shed a few pounds 16:11 Have you been on a diet for most of your life, 16:14 but not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 16:17 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 16:19 then we have a solution for you that works! 16:22 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 16:25 have written a marvelous booklet called... 16:27 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 16:30 and we'd like to send it to you FREE of charge. 16:32 Here's a medically sound approach successfully used 16:35 by thousands who were able to eat more, 16:37 and lose weight permanently without feeling guilty or hungry 16:41 through lifestyle medicine. 16:43 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been featured on 3ABN 16:46 and in this booklet, they present a sensible approach 16:49 to eating, nutrition and lifestyle changes 16:52 that can help you prevent heart disease, diabetes, 16:54 and EVEN cancer. 16:56 Call or write today for your free copy of... 16:58 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 17:00 and you could be on your way to a healthier, happier YOU! 17:03 It's ABSOLUTELY free of charge, so call or write today. 17:10 Welcome back, we've been talking with Dr. Bernell Baldwin 17:14 And we've been talking about soy. 17:16 Dr. Baldwin is a neurophysiologist, 17:18 a brain scientist, and yet we're talking about soy... 17:22 and it's been interesting to understand what soy has for us. 17:27 When we ended our discussion, we were looking at 17:30 all the different positive things we could get from soy, 17:33 how it could help us not have breast cancer, 17:36 how it could help us avoid having heart disease, 17:40 these different things with the arginine, 17:42 and all these different things. 17:44 What about the fat content of soy? 17:47 I've heard someone say that soy is 52% fat... 17:50 Well, of course, this is a vary on the variety... 17:53 And that famous university, the University of Illinois, 17:58 has 1600 cultivars of soy. 18:01 What's a cultivar? Type, variety, sub variety 18:06 All right... thanks for that question. 18:09 So there's a lot of different kinds of soy... 18:11 But here's the good news on fat and soy... 18:13 The fat in soy is so well-balanced, 18:17 and so constructive, that you get omega-3 fat 18:20 to help all the membranes of the body. 18:25 So that you don't need to eat dead fish when you use soy. 18:31 Another neat thing about the fat of soy is this... 18:34 There's an essential fat called linoleic acid that's very well 18:39 represented in soy fat. 18:42 So what I hear you saying is 18:43 a little different than I've heard others say, 18:45 you know, someone like Dean Ornish 18:48 or someone like this would say, "10% fat at the max," 18:53 but you're saying there's a difference among fats; 18:56 there are some fats that you NEED to have. 18:58 Essential. Essential fats... Yes 19:00 And another reason why at 19:02 Wildwood Lifestyle Center and Hospital, 19:03 why we give our heart patients soy and also OLIVES, 19:09 and also almonds and walnuts in moderation... 19:14 is because we want to PREVENT LDL from shrinking 19:22 and getting so small and dense 19:25 that it will go into the artery and kill the patient. 19:27 What do you mean by that? 19:29 I mean that Dr. Superko at the HeartLab at Berkeley... 19:36 He and his colleagues have got very clear evidence 19:39 that if the fat is too low, the LDL becomes abnormal, 19:45 and so by giving some olives and giving some soy, whole soy, 19:50 and by giving a moderate amount of these nuts, 19:54 we keep the LDL LIGHTER and a little larger 20:00 so that it can't penetrate into the arteries... good news! 20:04 So the LDL, just to see if I understand this... 20:09 LDL is a part of total cholesterol, 20:11 HDL is another part of it... 20:12 Is that what you're talking about? No... 20:14 It's a PACKAGING. Packaging? Yes 20:18 I put it this way, LDL is a grease-truck, 20:22 and it floats around in the blood unloading grease 20:25 in arteries... Where it's needed. 20:28 Yes, and also where you don't want it. That's right 20:31 Whereas HDL is a pickup truck and it goes all over the body... 20:36 heart, brain, kidneys, everywhere, 20:38 and it picks up this cholesterol 20:40 and it takes it down to the liver and dumps it there... 20:43 And then the liver breaks this cholesterol apart, 20:47 and makes a detergent out of it. 20:51 So, in other words, when we eat soy, 20:56 our LDL, the fat in soy, makes the LDL so it's not an 21:01 unusual shape if it's decreasing 21:03 because it can lodge more 21:05 efficiently in different... It helps the body. 21:07 The truck gets stuck, so to speak, if it's not 21:10 the right kind of fat. Yeah, this is true. 21:13 So that another thing about the fat of soy... 21:18 There are fats in soy that help 21:20 the brain FIGHT Alzheimer disease, 21:23 and FIGHT dementia and fight... 21:25 Have you heard of mediocrity? Um hm 21:28 Mediocrity is quite a problem in the American educational scene. 21:33 Quite a problem... And even politicians can become 21:37 mediocre to such an extent that it is very difficult 21:40 to decide - Who do we vote for? Ene, mene or moe? 21:46 You see, well now soy, will help some of these problems 21:51 and if you've been on a real good diet, 21:53 spiritually, intellectually and physically, 21:56 and if you're really WITH-IT, then you'll be CREATIVE 21:59 instead of conventional. 22:03 So soy can help us be creative instead of conventional, 22:06 it can be the building block for a good educational system 22:10 and different things. 22:11 It sounds like soy is the answer. 22:13 What about tofu? 22:14 TOFU! Easy to use, very popular and it's highly used in Asia... 22:22 BUT... now, are you familiar with this little approach? 22:29 The ice is getting thinner? 22:32 I'm familiar with that statement, yes. 22:35 Yes, okay... Here goes, the ice is getting thinner. 22:39 At the latest soy meetings, International Soy Meetings, 22:44 in Washington, data was presented from Hawaii 22:50 4,000 Asiatics and here's the scoop... 22:55 Elderly Asiatics who ate the 22:59 MOST tofu had a problem with dementia. 23:06 Ooo... that doesn't sound good! No, it's not good. 23:09 But, as of today, we do not know whether this 23:15 was a cultural problem, an environmental problem, 23:20 or a nutritional problem. 23:23 So we don't have enough data to know if it was 23:25 the soy or it could have been something else... 23:29 We don't know. Yeah... BUT 23:30 It's like this, tofu is a refined product. Processed food 23:36 Yeah, and you don't get all of the goodies 23:40 that are in the whole soy. 23:42 But my wife has no problem with that, Dr. Marjorie. 23:44 She gets these soybeans at the store, 23:50 and checks them out for rocks in the bright light, 23:55 soaks them at room temperature for about 2 days, 23:58 and then whiz the daylights out of them, 24:01 and she puts these in a baking dish, 24:06 and makes a soy soufflé, and it rises up, 24:13 and you get all the lecithin for the brain; 24:15 you get all the fiber for the bowels; 24:18 you get the cholesterol blocking agents; 24:20 you get all the vitamins, all the minerals, 24:22 EVERYTHING in the whole soy. 24:24 So you're making your own, sort of, total tofu, 24:28 instead of processed tofu. Right! 24:30 Got it. YES! 24:32 So let me get that recipe again. 24:34 You take it, you soak it for 2 days... 24:37 Do you whiz the daylights out of it, so-to-speak, 24:41 before you soak it? No, no... after, after. 24:44 That would be hard to do, wouldn't it? Yes 24:46 And then... stick it on a baking sheet. 24:48 A baking sheet, and you put the baking sheet where? 24:50 In the OVEN! In the oven? Yes 24:53 And then you bake it. You bake it for how long? 24:55 Ask the cook! Okay 24:59 What about isolated soy proteins! 25:01 Excellent for profits, but not the greatest for the person. 25:06 Okay, so in other words, once you tear it apart, 25:08 you've torn it apart. 25:09 Uh... you lose it's value. 25:13 Uhh, now we've got data on this 25:15 in the latest journal of "Health and Healing" 25:17 If you take alcohol-extracted soy protein, 25:21 the genistein is GONE. 25:25 So much of the soy protein that is on the market today 25:29 is not worth eating. 25:30 So the genistein that helps us avoid breast cancer, 25:35 and those different types of things... Right, is GONE 25:36 Let me ask you a couple... Oh, go ahead 25:39 But the water-extracted soy has got it. 25:41 Water extracted? Yeah 25:43 So some soy protein is just dandy; 25:47 whereas others is not worth eating. 25:49 Will soy help prevent heart disease? 25:51 Certainly, because it HELPS keep down cholesterol. 25:55 What about menopause? 25:56 It MODIFIES menopause; reducing hot flashes, 26:01 and assisting the transition from midlife to wisdom. 26:06 So some people would be very interested 26:08 in that effect, wouldn't they? They certainly would! 26:11 Okay, what about cancer? 26:13 We've already talked about it. Will it help prevent it? 26:15 YES, it helps PREVENT cancer, 26:18 and it helps SLOW DOWN cancer, 26:20 and it helps manage cancer, 26:22 and, as you were saying on one of the breaks... 26:25 Soy is now being considered in therapy NOT just prevention, 26:31 ...also THERAPY. 26:33 I have an interesting question, I don't know, 26:35 I heard someone make a presentation once that 26:38 soy is excellent for treating burns. 26:41 Don't know a thing about it. Okay 26:43 I cannot say a word of horse sense about it. 26:46 How can we get more soy in our diet? 26:49 Why it's very simple. 26:50 We need to use soy milk. 26:52 Dr. Harry Miller popularized soy 26:56 and he brought it to the United States, 26:58 and he got some real momentum on this. 27:02 You get 10 milligrams of isoflavones in a glass 27:06 of ordinary soymilk. 27:08 So soymilk is the answer to immediately increase 27:11 it to the level of... what were we shooting for? 27:14 ...20 to 40 mg a day of isoflavones... 27:20 And this is the practical way to do this in soy products. 27:24 SO, instead of giving byproduct surplus animal protein in fat, 27:30 to our high school students, what we need to do is 27:33 give them something better. Something better... 27:36 We've been talking to Dr. Bernell Baldwin 27:39 We've been talking about the soy advantage. 27:42 If you want to avoid heart disease; 27:44 if you want your blood vessels to open up and dilate, 27:47 and if you would like to avoid cancer, 27:50 many different benefits from soy. 27:52 This is something you need to get in your diet. 27:54 Drink that soymilk and have health 27:56 that lasts for a lifetime! |
Revised 2013-06-17