Participants: Don Mackintosh, Bernell Baldwin
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000050
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00:47 Hello and welcome to Health for a Lifetime.
00:49 I'm your host Don Mackintosh and today we're delighted 00:51 to have Dr. Bernell Baldwin with us. Welcome! 00:54 Glad to be here. Now I understand that you are a 00:56 neurophysiologist - that's correct - or a brain scientist. 01:00 Right. You're involved even now in ongoing research, 01:02 is that right? Right. And so some time in the future 01:05 we are looking to hear more about that research. 01:07 Tell us a little bit about the brain. 01:09 Before we began the program you and I were talking, and 01:13 you had mentioned that there's really a upper brain and a 01:17 lower brain. What do you mean by that? Show us what you mean. 01:19 Yes. In the human brain, the top of the brain should call 01:24 the signals. The bottom... That's the frontal lobe or the? 01:27 Yes. And not only just the front. Here, let's look at it 01:31 from the other side. Not only the front of the brain... 01:35 the spiritual concerns of man are represented in front. 01:40 OK. The informational and intellectual things 01:44 are concentrated in the back. OK. And emotional things 01:48 in the bottom of the brain... in the bottom. 01:50 OK. So that's lower brain, you would call? Yes. 01:53 So feelings - where are they? 01:55 They're in the middle and the bottom. OK. Ordinary feelings. 01:59 But there's good news about feelings. When a man 02:04 loves his wife, not only is the bottom of the brain involved 02:10 but the top of the brain is giving tenderness, 02:15 wisdom, delicacy. Those are choices that need to be made. 02:19 Oh yes. OK, yes. You don't just naturally have an instinct 02:24 to be tender, kind, and loving. Right. 02:27 It has to be something taught or learned. Right. 02:31 Well, then, you mentioned that there is like kind of a battle 02:33 between these two? Oh yes. An electronic battle. 02:36 And here's the way this works. The nerve cells in the bottom 02:40 they send inhibitory signals up to the cortex 02:45 to the effect of get out of here; we're running the show. 02:49 OK, and can you... In other words, what's wrong with your 02:53 what did you call that? The thalamus? The hypothalamus. 02:57 Hypothalamus running things. What's wrong with the 02:59 thalamus running things, you know? 03:01 Well, it's very simple. When the hypothalamus runs things, 03:04 you have increased violence. You have over-eating. 03:09 You have drunkenness. You have wrecks. 03:12 Accidents? Accidents. You have trouble on every hand. 03:16 You were mentioning something very fascinating. You said that 03:19 certain things we eat or listen to or different things 03:22 you have studied. Tell us a little about that. 03:25 Right. When you put a depth electrode into the hypothalamus, 03:28 and then put a highly- stimulating chemical like say 03:32 black pepper, then the electronic activity in the 03:36 hypothalamus goes up dramatically. 03:38 So it becomes the leader? Right. 03:41 Any types of music do that? 03:43 Yes, as we discovered. 03:48 When you put a depth electrode into the hypothalamus, 03:51 and then you put a coarse, heavy beat into the music, 03:55 OK. Then the hypothalamus will beat in harmony with this 03:59 stimulus and then gradually it will take over the whole brain. 04:03 So the whole brain will beat in harmony with the bottom. 04:07 What about if it has good lyrics along with that beat? 04:09 That's another thing altogether. 04:12 Oh, you mean with it? Yes. Let's say you have that beat 04:15 but then you have really good lyrics? 04:17 One, it's very simple. You have confusion. 04:20 OK. Whereas, real good music by measurement 04:26 in the new PET scans, you can get one of these for $3000 04:31 apiece, a new scan. 04:33 A PET scanner; I'm sure I'll pick one up! 04:35 Yeah... no... The test - not the machine. 04:38 One of my students is working at Johns Hopkins 04:42 on a new one from General Electric. $12,000,000 would 04:46 get you started. $12,000,000... for the machine! 04:49 All right! So, here's what happens. 04:51 The better the music, the more the cortex lights up 04:55 with interest and action. The cortex meaning the 04:58 frontal lobe... and the back and the top of the brain. 05:01 But if it's just the simple beat there's very... the bottom, 05:06 the bottom of the brain lights up. And they can see that 05:08 on a PET scan? Yes, by measurement. 05:10 Now a PET scan is not for your pets, you mean that's of the 05:13 brain. Positron Emission Tomography. OK. 05:15 Well, let's go on then. Yes. Do the battles lines ever shift? 05:21 I mean, oh yes, if I'm tired, If I'm - yes - If I'm this way - 05:25 Yes. If you're over-fatigued, the top of the brain 05:28 gets tired first, usually, and then the bottom of the brain 05:33 will run things. And this makes 05:35 industrial accidents, 05:37 this makes crane accidents, 05:40 this makes... look... 05:42 from fatigue? Question: how many hours 05:45 in the recent plane crash had the pilot been flying? 05:49 13 hours. OK. OK. All right. 05:52 What I am saying is... this is not peanuts... 05:57 One of my students is a consultant in Washington. 06:00 And, did you hear that truck drivers have micro-sleeps? 06:06 Yes, I heard about that. And they have crack-ups 06:09 in the micro-sleeps. Right, yes. The brain is trying 06:12 to get the rest they need even though they didn't take it. Yes. 06:15 All right! So my student... My student approached the right 06:20 people and they were going to do a study on airplane pilots. 06:24 And micro-sleeps. And micro-sleeps. 06:27 And guess what? The pilots organized, and they pulled 06:31 enough wires to drive that right off the agenda. 06:34 They don't like that? No. Not allowed. 06:37 Not allowed. Because they want to work longer and get 06:39 more money or what? Yes. And they want to keep older pilots 06:42 in the cockpit. I see. Right. 06:46 So we are not talking peanuts, we are talking principles 06:50 of how the brain clicks. Um-hmm. Let me ask you this: 06:53 Depending on someone's age, yes, 06:56 are there different battle lines that are associated with age? 07:00 Depending upon the shape your arteries are in. 07:03 If the front art... you see that area right there? Right. 07:07 If that artery under my finger is 13% shut down, 07:13 OK, then you have 56% oxygen delivery to that portion of the 07:18 brain. OK. So... and some would say well those things 07:24 shut down when you get older. True or false? 07:26 This depends upon what program you're on. 07:31 If the belt is too long and the arteries are too small, 07:37 then senility is a program itself. 07:41 So in other words, if you... if you eat unhealthful foods 07:45 and you do things, yes, even when you're young, 07:47 you can be older than you really are chronologically 07:49 and you can be... or, you can be younger than you are 07:52 depending on what you are really doing. Right. 07:54 Five years ago the popular consensus was this: 07:57 that normal Americans or normal human beings 08:01 would lose 50,000 to 75,000 cells every day. 08:05 But we now know that this is not necessary. 08:09 On a real good lifestyle program you keep your marbles. 08:13 Not only that, you can make new ones! 08:16 In a portion of the brain right under this crack here called the 08:19 hippocampus you can make new cells now, and these new cells 08:23 can migrate to replace the old chips. Wow. So... 08:27 So in the battle between the lower and the upper 08:32 which way do those cells go? They go up! 08:36 That's good! So, if I'm not... if I'm not drinking 08:39 alcohol, if I'm not doing things that... that... you know, 08:43 yes, kill my cells and do different things, 08:45 then they'll get ahead of the game. I can be smarter 08:47 of course, and wiser... and wiser? Yes. 08:50 It's very simple. Eli goes down. 08:54 Moses goes up. OK. 08:58 So Eli... he was the one in the Bible who had a problem 09:01 eating too much. Exactly. And he fell over and broke 09:03 his neck as I recall. Yes. And then Moses 09:06 was... his shoes didn't wear out, his eyes didn't dim. 09:10 That's the whole idea? Yes. And Moses joined the permanent 09:13 space program. OK. And as I heard yesterday on 09:17 the news, I heard an extensive experience from the American 09:22 who spent 5 months in space and he came back so weak 09:26 that when he took his first shower he had to get down 09:29 on the floor. Wow. So this is amazing. 09:33 Of course, then you are referring to the fact that Moses 09:35 was translated. Oh yes! OK. Well, let's talk a little 09:40 bit more about this war. Yes. When we get tired, 09:44 when we have wrong habits, eat wrong things, 09:47 drink wrong things, watch wrong things, listen to wrong things, 09:50 then we are going to fail, we are going to lose the battle. 09:53 Would you say that most people and, you know, in the world 09:57 today are losing the battle or winning the battle? 10:01 The majority is losing 10:03 the battle. And why would you say that? 10:05 Because the bent of the whole 10:07 environment, the educational 10:09 system that is so secular. And like evolution... 10:14 If a sophomore in high school learns from a science teacher 10:20 that he is a vertical rat who came up from the jungle 10:26 A vertical rat... never heard that before... 10:28 OK. OK. then he's apt to act like he's from the jungle. 10:33 Whereas if he learns Johnny, you are so special 10:39 you were designed in heaven, and you are going to be 10:44 you are going to become a son of the ruler of the universe 10:48 and you're in training now to be a VIP 10:52 this will change the climate in the school quite a bit. 10:57 And who needs to commit suicide when you're a winner? 11:01 Um-hmm. Um-hmm. Oh, yes. So these ideas, these philosophies 11:05 these ways of looking - right - at life will... will... help 11:10 us either win the battle or lose the battle. 11:12 Right. Now, instead of depreciating the back of the 11:17 brain, which would be sheer blindness... 11:20 What goes on in the back of the brain, first of all? 11:22 Memory. OK. So that's appreciat- ing that, and intelligence. 11:25 Yeah! Instead of depreciating. Wilder Penfield, Montreal 11:31 Neurological Institute: under local anesthesia, if you put 11:35 a little wire right here and touch the brain 11:37 with a little bit of electricity there, the person says "ahhh. " 11:42 I'm in the third grade. The teacher is writing on the board 11:46 Columbus. The curtain on the window 11:51 is such a color and Elizabeth 11:55 has a hole in her stocking. 11:58 So they have total recall? There, in the back of the brain 12:02 and very important. Very important. 12:05 Why is it I can't remember stuff like that right now? 12:07 It's quite simple. Because the retrieval system needs more 12:12 voltage. So you're saying that I don't have what it takes? 12:17 And I have the same sort of a problem. OK. 12:19 But... good news! Good news. 12:22 According to the Great Book, when the Holy Spirit is 12:27 through with us, He is going to bring all things to our 12:31 remembrance. Right? 12:33 Yes, that is good news. Yes... and it's coming. 12:36 Well let me ask you this, OK? Let's say I'm a mother 12:39 or a father or a parent that's watching, and I noticed 12:42 that there's a difference between 3-year-old Timmy 12:44 and 7-year-old Jane and 12:45 12-year-old or 13-year-old Billy. 12:47 Is there some reason for that that you can talk about 12:50 as a... as a brain scientist? 12:52 Why certainly. For one thing, the genetics is different. 12:57 And, two, the environment is different. 13:00 Three, the choices of the child and the interaction between 13:06 and experienced parent who has had two children is different 13:10 than for the first child. There is nothing developmentally? 13:15 Oh, yes. What is the developmental factor? 13:19 Ahhh. This depends. First children tend to be more 13:24 aggressive. You've heard of alpha-males? 13:28 Um-hmm. OK. I'm an older child. 13:34 We had three children in the family. Um-hmm. 13:37 My brother is a better diplomat because he had to be. 13:41 With you? Yes. Yes. OK. 13:45 My sister is... she was the only girl in the family. 13:50 We protected her, and it worked out very well. 13:56 So each child plays a different niche, they have different 14:02 choices, they have different patterns, and you have 14:05 different action. So each child is different. 14:07 Isn't that a good thing? It's a good thing, but it doesn't... 14:11 there is no set formula then? 14:13 So the cloning program is largely a pipe dream. 14:18 OK. So it has a lot to do with environment... and choices... 14:22 and choices. Yes. Well, OK. How can you know 14:26 whether or not your child is winning or losing the battle? 14:28 And how can you help them win if they are losing? 14:30 By the trend of their behavior and attitudes. 14:35 If the child voluntarily helps the parent 14:40 without even being asked, you are winning. Um-hmm. 14:44 Whereas, if the expressions on the face, if the responses 14:50 in the conversation are more and more negative, 14:53 more and more quiet, more and more victim oriented, 14:59 you see... then you are losing. 15:02 OK. So I was in the store yesterday getting some food 15:08 to eat for the week here. Yes. And I saw little Johnny... 15:12 I don't know what the child's name was... yes, 15:14 and he has in his hand this bag of candy that he has swiped 15:18 going along, yes, and he is screaming "I want that. " 15:21 Mom doesn't try and take it away; he's fine. 15:24 As soon as she reaches for it, he screams. 15:26 She's losing? Both are losing. 15:29 OK. Here's one reason why. 15:32 Richter experiment: scientific cutting-edge science. 15:36 If you separate all the vitamins, minerals, 15:39 and amino acids and put them on little dishes in a cage, 15:42 a normal animal will sniff, will taste, will sample 15:48 and will get a completely balanced nutritional program. 15:51 The eyes are bright; the coat is 15:54 splendidly coiffed; grooming is excellent; 15:59 behavior is fine; they get along just fine. 16:01 Now, if you hang a 10% sugar solution in the cage, 16:06 beautiful for television. I dare you to try it. 16:09 You hang a 10% sugar solution in the cage. 16:13 The animals go over; they discover the sugar. 16:17 They stick with the sugar, and the scene closes with their 16:21 little feet in the air as they die. 16:23 Is that right? Yes. 16:25 Well, I don't want to kill the program right now, 16:29 but we have to take a break. When we come back 16:30 let's see if we can resurrect things. Fair enough. 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This battle of the... 17:51 in our minds between the lower sensibilities and the 17:55 lower portions of the brain and the frontal lobe 17:57 and the upper, intelligence, and what not. 17:59 And you were describing this... these animals when give a choice 18:03 between all of these different nutrients and different things 18:05 and a balanced diet until they added sugar... 18:09 10% sugar... 10% sugar... 18:11 When they put that in there they ate that to the exclusion 18:14 of everything else, and the last thing they see is that they 18:16 are dead... dead. Yes. And then we said when we came back 18:20 we were going to resurrect things. And so, let me ask you 18:23 a question before we get you resurrected again here... yes... 18:26 What about visual stimuli? That's more taste-oriented 18:30 what you are talking about. Yes. Or things to go into our 18:33 ears. Are there other things that... other studies that have 18:36 been done that show us that we can die in those ways as well? 18:40 Yes. Now, something that is utterly fascinating. 18:44 I'm indebted to Dr. Workman, MIT, for this one. 18:49 In... under my finger - way back here - 18:54 there is a tiny little gland called the pineal gland. 18:59 And this gland puts out melatonin. 19:03 And one of melatonin's jobs is to keep the brakes on the 19:06 bottom of the brain. Hmmm. The following things 19:10 will mess this up so that the bottom of the brain 19:13 develops very rapidly and runs the whole brain. 19:18 1. Bright lights; late hours... 19:22 I guess we are in trouble here aren't we with bright lights? 19:24 We aren't going to keep them this way until midnight. 19:28 Right, OK. So, bright lights. 19:29 Bright lights and 19:34 exciting context and... 19:40 So in others words, a television program maybe? 19:42 Yes, particularly violent television. 19:45 And late hours, bright lights, and another one... 19:50 this is not Workman, this is something we did at Loma Linda. 19:53 A complete PhD thesis. I was on the committee and here's what 19:57 happened. The more eggs you gave the mice, 20:02 the shorter time it was before they... 20:07 you had puberty. Hmmm. 20:09 And this is happening in Europe right now. 20:12 It has been for many years. Look, girls became 20:16 ladies at 17 years of age in northern Europe, 20:20 um-hmm, many years ago. 20:22 Then it went to 16, then 15, 14, 13, 12, 11. 20:28 The youngest I've heard of is 7 years in which a girl 20:32 had a child at 7 years of age. 20:33 Wow. And this is all because of the intake of more dairy 20:38 and different things that do something with the pineal...? 20:40 Not just dairy. This is late hours, bright lights, 20:44 excitement, and stimulating food, 20:48 hmmm, will put so much stimulation in the bottom 20:50 of the brain that the neuroendocrinology 20:54 is messed up. Um-hmm. 20:56 And the bottom of the brain will run away with everything. 20:58 And so do you think that 20:59 you're suggesting, then, that 21:01 that's what's happening in society today basically. 21:02 Oh yes. 21:04 Well let's say that... you know... Mrs. X or Y 21:09 or whatever, yes, has done some things that the brain is 21:13 completely out of control, and how can she get back? 21:17 Hah! A step at a time. Now what I was saying. 21:20 Let me explain it this way: it's very simple. 21:22 Junior looks in the mirror and he says: 21:27 Ahh. I'm taller than Dad. 21:30 My chest is a man's chest. 21:33 Um-hmm. I have male machinery. 21:37 Um-hmm. My voice is changed. 21:41 Where are the car keys? 21:43 Um-hmm. OK. Now what I am saying as a brain scientist: 21:47 yes, the bottom of his brain is over-mature 21:51 but the top of his brain is a child. 21:54 So don't give him the keys... Exactly why your insurance 21:59 bill for junior is very high and out of sight 22:03 until he is 24 years of age or so 22:05 so that the judgment, so that the frontal cortex 22:10 will be more in charge. 22:12 And so, these things, instead of being theoretical 22:17 and mystical, they are real - and they affect our pocketbooks. 22:23 They affect our families; they affect our corporations, 22:27 our business. They affect our whole nation; 22:29 it makes a difference! 22:30 Let me ask you a question and now looking at the solution 22:34 now. If we are losing the battle, yes..., 22:37 Ummm. Let's say someone by age whatever 22:41 you are suggesting very young, yes, has gotten hooked on 22:45 late-night television programs that are violent... yes... 22:48 or this or that, yes, or have different titillations 22:50 as you would call them, yes, that are stimulating the lower 22:52 brain and different things. But now they are a teenager 22:55 and their parents get concerned and they say OK now this has got 22:58 to come to a stop. Right. Have they lost the battle then? 23:01 I mean there is, certainly with a child sometimes you can say 23:04 you can't eat this, you can't watch this, 23:06 you can't do this. But then there has to come a time 23:08 when they say "Look, I don't want to do this 23:10 and I don't want to do that. " Yes. 23:11 Ummm. Now, you know, it's really... of course, with the 23:14 Internet and different things, they can get into things that 23:15 you, right, don't know what's happening. Right. 23:17 What do you do when they have already gotten a taste for this 23:20 or that? What's next? Now Don, do you want 23:25 a psychological answer, a sociological answer, 23:30 or a scientific one? Give me a scientific answer. 23:32 OK. You're a scientist. 23:35 Most of them, in one word, 23:38 are ruined. 23:40 The brain is basically ruined 23:43 because they aren't going to rise up and say... they aren't 23:45 going to rise up and say: "My father and my mother - 23:49 they are right. I should listen to them and study more 23:55 of my lessons and less of this garbage. And I should give my 24:00 body a good, balanced diet. I should get out there and mow 24:04 the lawn more and play less of these violent computer games. 24:08 I should get with it so I'll be a success 24:10 like they are talking about. 24:12 So do you have any hope for us as a scientist? 24:14 Of course, of course. 24:16 If any person from, uhhh, 24:21 one year of age to 100, if they will say 24:25 "Yes, I will do what is right. I will walk in the light. 24:31 I will go forward, " then they can make progress. 24:33 You can change the brain. Dendrites in the nerve cells 24:39 will grow until you are over 90 years of age. 24:42 Hmmm. Actually grow. And as we say, you can make 24:47 a new synapse on your dendrites and on your nerve cells 24:49 in 2-1/2 hours. A new connection? 24:52 A new connection; a new chip. 24:55 So in other words, how do you... let's say... 24:57 In other words it's important to say "I'm going to stop this 25:01 but I'm going to do this. " And then that new chip... 25:03 Overcome evil with good and go forward. 25:06 So when a young person... When a young person decides 25:10 that they are going to go forward and up 25:13 instead of in circles down... 25:16 Have you studied that physiologically? 25:19 Do you see that when someone is doing things that stimulate 25:22 the lower nature that the lower portions of the brain 25:24 get larger? Others have, and it's a fact. 25:29 Any portion of the brain that is seriously used will grow. 25:33 Um-hmm. So, really, if you knew what you were doing 25:37 you could open up someone's brain and say this is what 25:39 you were focusing on and this is what was happening. 25:41 Yes. So there's hope for everybody. 25:44 But to be Pollyanna and have a quick fix 25:48 for Dalmer, for the death-row inmates, 25:54 is not in the cards. Um-hmm. BUT, you've heard the good news. 26:01 Have you heard of Morlin's program? No. 26:06 There is an entrepreneur who is taking criminals 26:09 out in California, and he puts them on a new program. 26:12 He gives them an excellent diet, and instead of having a number 26:16 around the neck - 369285- 26:20 he puts their name. 26:23 Um-hmmm. See. Mr. George Killemquick. 26:27 See... he puts their name. OK. 26:30 Their name on them and teaches them trades. 26:34 Gives them action, activity, hope, dignity, progress - 26:39 and it's working. Um-hmmm. So they see something new. 26:43 So we can have some type of assurance of victory? 26:48 Can we have peace in this struggle in our own minds? 26:50 I mean, maybe someone watching today is saying Look, I know 26:53 that the lower part of my nature and this way I have been 26:55 feeding it. I want to overcome it - it doesn't seem, 26:59 like I can. Yes. I'm weak. Yes. 27:03 I'm all these different things. Yes. How can I have peace? 27:05 What would you say as a scientist? As a scientist? 27:08 Well, it's very simple. You could use the word polarization. 27:14 If the brain is aimed - polarized, focused, 27:20 integrated - on Jesus Christ, then there is hope for anybody 27:25 to really turn life around and be a winner forever! 27:30 No matter what they've done? Exactly. 27:32 We've been talking with Dr. Bernell Baldwin. 27:35 We've been talking about the brain. 27:38 He is a brain scientist. We have learned that there is 27:41 battle between the lower part of the brain and the upper part 27:43 of the brain. And in our culture today we seem to be losing 27:47 that battle by the different opportunities many have. 27:51 But there is hope; it can be turned around, 27:53 and it's by focusing on Jesus. We hope that you will do that. |
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