Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime" 00:00:51.19\00:00:54.46 I'm Don Macintosh, your host, and today we're joined by 00:00:54.49\00:00:58.97 Dr. Kevin Bryant, from Wichita, Kansas 00:00:59.00\00:01:01.75 Thank you, Dr. Bryant, for being here! Good to be here. 00:01:01.78\00:01:04.57 One of the things you do as a family practice physician 00:01:04.60\00:01:08.36 is deal with lots of people when they receive lab tests. 00:01:08.39\00:01:12.14 And I understand you're involved in a program in the 00:01:12.17\00:01:14.90 community that looks at really heart disease. 00:01:14.93\00:01:19.37 Right, I have the pleasure of being involved in a community 00:01:19.40\00:01:23.57 outreach educational program 00:01:23.60\00:01:25.80 called: "Coronary Health Improvement Project" 00:01:25.83\00:01:28.29 dealing specifically with the risk factors that promote, 00:01:28.32\00:01:34.08 and cause heart disease. 00:01:34.11\00:01:35.48 How many people have you had 00:01:35.51\00:01:36.88 go through that program thus far? 00:01:36.91\00:01:38.43 We have approximately 600 in our community have gone through. 00:01:38.46\00:01:41.53 And do you have any followup for them once they... 00:01:41.56\00:01:43.78 How long is the program, and then do you have any followup? 00:01:43.81\00:01:46.25 The program lasts for 30 days. 00:01:46.28\00:01:48.93 It's a pretty intensive program. 00:01:48.96\00:01:50.56 And then on a monthly basis, we follow up continuing to 00:01:50.59\00:01:54.54 check their lipid levels, their blood cholesterol levels. 00:01:54.57\00:01:59.15 Cholesterol. 00:01:59.18\00:02:00.55 Do you see big changes? Are people happy with that? 00:02:00.58\00:02:04.10 Dramatic changes can take place in 30 days. 00:02:04.13\00:02:08.34 And, it's rewarding to me as a 00:02:08.37\00:02:10.80 physician to see people make those changes. 00:02:10.83\00:02:13.02 How many times do you do that a year? 00:02:13.05\00:02:14.57 We do it about twice a year now. 00:02:14.60\00:02:17.61 Well maybe some of the folks that are watching today 00:02:17.64\00:02:20.72 don't have the privilege of being in a program like that... 00:02:20.75\00:02:23.54 But let's say they've gone to the hospital, 00:02:23.57\00:02:27.01 or maybe seeing their physician, and they've heard a lot about 00:02:27.04\00:02:29.31 cholesterol. 00:02:29.34\00:02:30.89 Today, really, we're going to talk about how to tell 00:02:30.92\00:02:33.30 the difference between good and bad cholesterol, 00:02:33.33\00:02:35.61 and would it be fair to say that today it's going to be like 00:02:35.64\00:02:38.97 they've just gotten their lab tests back, 00:02:39.00\00:02:40.98 and this would be a good time for them to maybe get out 00:02:41.01\00:02:43.96 those numbers, so that they could learn about how to 00:02:43.99\00:02:46.72 look at those and find out what's happening. 00:02:46.75\00:02:48.28 Yeah, this program today is really designed to try and help 00:02:48.31\00:02:52.23 people understand what the numbers mean 00:02:52.26\00:02:54.54 when they get those reports back from their doctor. 00:02:54.57\00:02:57.49 Okay, so if you're watching today, and you had some 00:02:57.52\00:03:01.80 lab tests that you've had done, maybe cholesterol... 00:03:01.83\00:03:04.77 Run and get those tests, turn up the set, 00:03:04.80\00:03:09.01 and you can hear what's happening... 00:03:09.04\00:03:10.41 But go get those numbers because I think you'll 00:03:10.44\00:03:12.61 really find some things that can help you. 00:03:12.64\00:03:15.42 One thing that kind of intrigues me about the title of 00:03:15.45\00:03:18.67 today's show... You're saying that there is 00:03:18.70\00:03:20.39 GOOD cholesterol and that there is BAD cholesterol, 00:03:20.42\00:03:23.43 I don't know which you want to talk about first, 00:03:23.46\00:03:24.99 but what does that mean? 00:03:25.02\00:03:26.39 Well yeah, I think a lot of people, their impression 00:03:26.42\00:03:31.05 when they hear the word "cholesterol," that it's bad. 00:03:31.08\00:03:34.06 But there's actually good and bad cholesterol, 00:03:34.09\00:03:37.85 and we're going to try and explain that today. 00:03:37.88\00:03:40.06 And the first thing that I find most people 00:03:40.09\00:03:42.40 are confused about is... 00:03:42.43\00:03:44.73 They get a report back and it has cholesterol on it, 00:03:44.76\00:03:49.62 triglycerides, and many people are confused about even those 00:03:49.65\00:03:54.80 terms... thinking that their triglycerides and cholesterol 00:03:54.83\00:03:59.05 are the same thing, when in reality they are 00:03:59.08\00:04:01.84 2 different completely separate 00:04:01.87\00:04:04.65 chemical compounds in our body... 00:04:04.68\00:04:06.93 And so, we have to recognize there's 00:04:06.96\00:04:09.62 cholesterol and then triglycerides. 00:04:09.65\00:04:12.62 Cholesterol, if we had a lump of it here in your hand, 00:04:12.66\00:04:15.88 is kind of a waxy substance, 00:04:15.91\00:04:19.12 as where triglycerides is just a big name for OIL or FAT... 00:04:19.15\00:04:24.62 And so your vegetable oils, your margarine, your butter, 00:04:24.65\00:04:28.39 those are triglycerides. 00:04:28.42\00:04:31.22 And because both the triglycerides and cholesterol 00:04:31.25\00:04:35.38 are waxy or oily, they don't mix with water. 00:04:35.41\00:04:40.73 Oil and water doesn't mix. 00:04:40.76\00:04:42.18 Well that's true in our body. 00:04:42.21\00:04:43.73 Those substances, cholesterol and triglycerides, 00:04:43.76\00:04:47.10 in the bloodstream would not mix. 00:04:47.13\00:04:50.20 So they are 2 different things in other words. 00:04:50.23\00:04:53.07 Two different things, and because of the 00:04:53.10\00:04:56.43 chemical structure, they don't mix with water in the 00:04:56.46\00:05:00.17 serum in our blood. 00:05:00.20\00:05:01.57 So our body has a way to carry those 2 chemicals 00:05:01.60\00:05:06.67 around in the bloodstream produce protein molecules 00:05:06.70\00:05:11.74 that carry the cholesterol. 00:05:11.77\00:05:15.88 They're like little trucks in our bloodstream, 00:05:15.91\00:05:18.52 if you want to think of them that way... 00:05:18.55\00:05:19.94 that are carrying cholesterol and triglyceride around because 00:05:19.97\00:05:24.41 otherwise they would not mix in the bloodstream, 00:05:24.44\00:05:27.56 so they're carried by those. 00:05:27.59\00:05:29.86 And those protein molecules 00:05:29.89\00:05:32.74 are divided into different categories, 00:05:32.77\00:05:37.00 and, as you can see here, they are divided roughly into 3... 00:05:37.03\00:05:41.23 Actually there's, I think, 18 or 19 fractions or different 00:05:41.26\00:05:46.63 We're giving us the 3 main ones that you're going to see 00:05:46.66\00:05:49.22 on a lab result. 00:05:49.25\00:05:50.65 The first one is "LDL" and we're going to talk 00:05:50.68\00:05:53.61 in more detail about these, 00:05:53.64\00:05:55.40 but LDL has become known as BAD cholesterol. 00:05:55.43\00:06:00.09 "Lousy" density lipoprotein, 00:06:00.12\00:06:04.74 and lipoprotein is the name for the protein. 00:06:04.77\00:06:07.73 It just means "lipo" is fat, and then protein. 00:06:07.76\00:06:10.80 So it's the fat-protein combination. 00:06:10.83\00:06:13.97 So LDL is considered bad because it tends to carry cholesterol 00:06:14.00\00:06:20.67 to the wall of the artery. 00:06:20.70\00:06:22.45 It makes it fat; makes it clogged up. 00:06:22.48\00:06:25.79 That's the one that is kind of a culprit and we'll look at that 00:06:25.82\00:06:30.37 The good cholesterol is called "HDL" 00:06:30.40\00:06:34.16 So when you look at a lab result you want to look for 00:06:34.19\00:06:36.94 LDL - bad HDL is the good cholesterol. 00:06:36.97\00:06:41.94 "Happy" density lipo. Lousy and happy... all right 00:06:41.97\00:06:45.58 And it does kind of the opposite. 00:06:45.61\00:06:47.82 In a simplistic way, it's doing the opposite of the 00:06:47.85\00:06:51.63 bad cholesterol; it's trying to take cholesterol 00:06:51.66\00:06:54.12 out of the wall of the artery where these plaques are 00:06:54.15\00:06:57.65 in the artery, and take them back to the liver. 00:06:57.68\00:07:02.31 So the lousy dumps it off in the artery; 00:07:02.34\00:07:05.18 the happy says, "I'm not happy with that and takes it away. " 00:07:05.21\00:07:08.69 In a simplistic way that's the way to look at it. 00:07:08.72\00:07:11.50 And then, another one called VLDL is a protein that carries 00:07:11.53\00:07:16.41 a lot of the triglycerides or fat around in the bloodstream 00:07:16.44\00:07:19.86 Which are totally different than 00:07:19.89\00:07:21.46 cholesterol, what you've told us Exactly, completely different. 00:07:21.49\00:07:25.08 Now, if we look more specifically at the 00:07:25.11\00:07:31.41 low-density lipoprotein, the LDL what we called bad cholesterol, 00:07:31.44\00:07:37.70 we talk about it carrying cholesterol around. 00:07:37.73\00:07:42.71 Now, in essence, the cholesterol is the same cholesterol 00:07:42.74\00:07:46.96 whether it's in an LDL, or an HDL protein molecule. 00:07:46.99\00:07:52.68 But it's the protein molecule that makes the difference 00:07:52.71\00:07:56.13 where that cholesterol is going. 00:07:56.16\00:07:57.95 Is it going to the wall of the artery or out of the 00:07:57.98\00:08:00.81 wall of the artery back to the liver to be disposed of? 00:08:00.84\00:08:04.41 And that protein molecule is LDL?... is LDL or HDL 00:08:04.44\00:08:10.64 Now as time has gone on and research has been done 00:08:10.67\00:08:16.06 on this LDL molecule, we've discovered that 00:08:16.09\00:08:20.20 by itself, pure cholesterol does not damage 00:08:20.23\00:08:26.29 the wall of the artery or cause a problem. 00:08:26.32\00:08:29.88 It's only when that cholesterol and that protein becomes 00:08:29.91\00:08:35.57 oxidized, either exposed to air in the animal products 00:08:35.60\00:08:42.05 where the cholesterol may have 00:08:42.08\00:08:43.45 been if you're eating animal products... 00:08:43.48\00:08:47.29 or if sometimes in the body's metabolism 00:08:47.32\00:08:53.23 free radicals are produced that oxidize the cholesterol 00:08:53.26\00:08:58.53 and the LDL protein. 00:08:58.56\00:09:00.50 When that happens, the body then begins to recognize 00:09:00.53\00:09:04.38 this as actually as though it's a foreign body... 00:09:04.41\00:09:08.50 almost like a bacteria, an enemy. 00:09:08.53\00:09:09.90 And so part of the immune-fighting cells 00:09:09.93\00:09:15.13 particularly the ones called macrophages, actually begin 00:09:15.16\00:09:19.08 to engulf those particles... 00:09:19.11\00:09:22.09 ...the LDL particles in the wall of the artery in an attempt to 00:09:22.12\00:09:27.47 ...just like if it was an enemy. 00:09:27.50\00:09:30.67 Let me see if I have this straight... 00:09:30.70\00:09:32.07 So LDL, the lousy density lipoproteins, 00:09:32.10\00:09:39.12 are those that have been exposed to air either outside 00:09:39.15\00:09:41.96 the body, so food would be like any dairy products, 00:09:41.99\00:09:46.51 or anything that have been exposed to air, 00:09:46.54\00:09:49.16 or INSIDE the body that even 00:09:49.19\00:09:51.14 happens inside your body without your doing anything, 00:09:51.17\00:09:54.28 and so the point of this really is there are ways 00:09:54.31\00:10:01.56 trying to prevent that from taking place... 00:10:01.59\00:10:04.34 because that's the important point. 00:10:04.37\00:10:06.28 Just having the cholesterol, the LDL there, 00:10:06.31\00:10:09.86 is not going to damage the wall 00:10:09.89\00:10:13.89 of the artery until it becomes oxidized. 00:10:13.92\00:10:16.19 So if we can prevent that oxidation from taking place... 00:10:16.22\00:10:20.30 Either on the outside... either by not eating those 00:10:20.33\00:10:23.80 animal products because they have oxidized cholesterol 00:10:23.83\00:10:28.00 in them, which is going to be harmful to your vascular system, 00:10:28.03\00:10:34.07 or, and this is where our what we call antioxidants, 00:10:34.10\00:10:39.52 vitamins that are antioxidants are very important. 00:10:39.55\00:10:44.19 So ANTIOXIDATION... anti what the air is doing. 00:10:44.22\00:10:48.17 Right. They, in other words, prevent that process 00:10:48.20\00:10:52.08 from taking place. 00:10:52.11\00:10:53.82 So we know that even if we have 2 different groups of 00:10:53.85\00:10:59.96 people that have the same cholesterol levels; 00:10:59.99\00:11:03.12 one group is eating those things that are high in antioxidants 00:11:03.15\00:11:08.83 which are fruits and vegetables. 00:11:08.86\00:11:10.48 The other group was eating low; they don't have as many 00:11:10.51\00:11:14.67 antioxidants. 00:11:14.70\00:11:16.09 The group that is NOT eating the antioxidants in their food 00:11:16.12\00:11:21.42 are going to be at GREATER risk for heart disease, 00:11:21.45\00:11:24.09 even though their cholesterol levels are the same. 00:11:24.12\00:11:26.42 So they got their lab sheet out at home and they're 00:11:26.45\00:11:28.43 looking at it and it says my total cholesterol, 00:11:28.46\00:11:30.40 let's say it says it's 200, that's not enough to look at. 00:11:30.43\00:11:34.22 They've got to look at, what does it say concerning LDL; 00:11:34.25\00:11:37.50 what does it say concerning HDL? 00:11:37.53\00:11:38.97 We've TALKED about the LDL, what's a good number for LDL? 00:11:39.00\00:11:41.83 Okay right... well, LDL numbers, and this may be somewhat 00:11:41.86\00:11:46.28 different from if you have your lab value there 00:11:46.31\00:11:48.81 in front of you, the labs frequently put a reference 00:11:48.84\00:11:52.38 number, what's normal... and then they have a little 00:11:52.41\00:11:55.29 star that comes up if it's abnormal. Right 00:11:55.32\00:11:57.50 And, we're finding now that if that number is below 90, 00:11:57.53\00:12:04.05 that that's the ideal range. 00:12:04.08\00:12:08.06 There may be what's normal in America, 00:12:08.09\00:12:10.80 but we want to be ideal, and so 90 or below is really 00:12:10.83\00:12:14.72 the ideal range that we want to be in. 00:12:14.75\00:12:18.34 Now usually in those normal sheets, 00:12:18.37\00:12:20.54 what do they normally say in your lipid area? 00:12:20.57\00:12:25.37 What do they say is normal in your area? 00:12:25.40\00:12:28.64 Normally in America, below 130 is considered normal. 00:12:28.67\00:12:35.18 So that's quite a bit different than 90. 00:12:35.21\00:12:37.72 Right, we still find a lot of people with heart disease 00:12:37.75\00:12:40.79 with the LDL numbers between 100 and 130. 00:12:40.82\00:12:45.78 Should someone panic if their number says 120 or 30 today? 00:12:45.81\00:12:50.00 Not necessarily, I think that's a call to that person 00:12:50.03\00:12:53.92 to find out how do I lower that number... how do I get that down 00:12:53.95\00:12:59.29 And I think you've mentioned, sort of how to do that... 00:12:59.32\00:13:03.62 stay away from oxidized foods. 00:13:03.65\00:13:06.40 Well, right... because one of the main ways that LDL is 00:13:06.43\00:13:12.94 is raised in the bloodstream is by either eating cholesterol, 00:13:12.97\00:13:18.25 animal products that have cholesterol, 00:13:18.28\00:13:20.85 OR foods that are high in fat, particularly what are called 00:13:20.88\00:13:25.50 saturated fats. 00:13:25.53\00:13:27.34 Primarily those fats that are found in the animal products... 00:13:27.37\00:13:31.59 they are what cause the body to produce more of 00:13:31.62\00:13:35.37 this LDL protein to carry that cholesterol around. 00:13:35.40\00:13:40.21 We've been talking with Dr. Kevin Bryant. 00:13:40.24\00:13:43.59 He is a doctor in family practice. 00:13:43.62\00:13:48.19 He focuses on heart disease and helps people understand 00:13:48.22\00:13:51.60 their lab tests and their values. 00:13:51.63\00:13:53.25 We've talked about cholesterol, the bad type of cholesterol... 00:13:53.28\00:13:56.54 And when we come back, we're going to look further at a good 00:13:56.57\00:14:00.62 type of cholesterol... 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"Happy" density lipoprotein is 00:16:57.65\00:17:01.18 one way of looking at it. 00:17:01.21\00:17:08.11 Now, the function that HDL has is opposite to the LDL. 00:17:08.15\00:17:12.83 It's reversing... it's taking cholesterol out of that wall 00:17:12.86\00:17:17.51 of the artery back to the heart. 00:17:17.54\00:17:19.49 It's almost like there's this tug-of-war between these 2 00:17:19.52\00:17:23.45 protein molecules. 00:17:23.48\00:17:25.58 Bad cholesterol protein LDL 00:17:25.61\00:17:28.24 putting it into the wall of the artery... 00:17:28.27\00:17:30.64 HDL trying to take it back out. 00:17:30.67\00:17:33.10 And so there's a balance here going on between the 2. 00:17:33.13\00:17:36.97 And that's why you want the bad cholesterol portion, the LDL 00:17:37.00\00:17:42.40 to be as low as possible. 00:17:42.43\00:17:44.38 You want the good cholesterol to be high. 00:17:44.41\00:17:49.22 So is there ever anyone that has a lab test 00:17:49.25\00:17:54.47 where there's no LDL? 00:17:54.50\00:17:57.53 Where there's no LDL? No 00:17:57.56\00:18:01.72 You would probably be "dead" if you had none. 00:18:01.75\00:18:06.20 Okay, so you'd have to have some. 00:18:06.23\00:18:08.10 Is there ANYTHING good about LDL that we have to have some? 00:18:08.13\00:18:12.72 Well actually, I mean, it is one of the carriers that carries 00:18:12.75\00:18:16.76 cholesterol; all of our cells NEED cholesterol. 00:18:16.79\00:18:19.92 So the arteries... they need cholesterol, the actual wall, 00:18:19.95\00:18:25.72 but the problem in America is they get too much. 00:18:25.75\00:18:27.70 They get too much... right, begins to clog the system up. 00:18:27.73\00:18:31.25 So, we can kind of tip the scale as who's going to win this 00:18:31.28\00:18:35.88 tug-of-war by what we eat or don't eat, 00:18:35.91\00:18:37.80 all those different kinds of things. Right 00:18:37.83\00:18:39.20 And now what we eat, affects 00:18:39.23\00:18:41.53 the LDL, the bad cholesterol. 00:18:41.56\00:18:44.42 What affects the HDL and raises that because we want more 00:18:44.45\00:18:49.17 of that... to take the cholesterol back out 00:18:49.20\00:18:51.58 of the wall of the artery; try and open the arteries up. 00:18:51.61\00:18:54.36 There are 3 main things that affect that. 00:18:54.39\00:18:57.27 Let us know those 3 things. 00:18:57.30\00:18:58.90 What are those 3 things, because we want to happy, happy, happy! 00:18:58.93\00:19:02.14 Well the first is our weight. 00:19:02.17\00:19:06.21 If we're overweight, obesity LOWERS the HDL, decreases it... 00:19:06.24\00:19:14.63 So as a person loses weight, over time, that will help 00:19:14.66\00:19:19.81 the HDL level rise. 00:19:19.84\00:19:22.14 And it doesn't happen overnight, 00:19:22.17\00:19:24.89 it happens usually in several months, sometimes up to a year. 00:19:24.92\00:19:30.62 As that weight is coming down, that the HDL number will go up. 00:19:30.65\00:19:34.77 We find, in this program that I'm involved with, 00:19:34.80\00:19:37.58 that in 30 days, the LDL, the bad cholesterol number 00:19:37.61\00:19:41.38 can come down dramatically, 00:19:41.41\00:19:43.16 but it may take months to a year for the HDL level to rise. 00:19:43.19\00:19:48.56 Oh, so in other words, if the LDL is going down, 00:19:48.59\00:19:50.95 you've started some good lifestyle things, 00:19:50.98\00:19:53.52 you need to wait a while for the HDL. 00:19:53.55\00:19:56.59 Yeah, don't expect that one to change overnight. 00:19:56.62\00:19:59.11 So weight is one issue. 00:19:59.14\00:20:01.16 Smoking is another issue. 00:20:01.19\00:20:03.70 Smoking also drives the HDL level down. How does that work? 00:20:03.73\00:20:08.88 Not exactly sure how that connection is there; 00:20:08.91\00:20:12.41 we've just seen that relationship that individuals 00:20:12.44\00:20:16.25 smoking have lower HDL levels and when they quit, 00:20:16.28\00:20:20.26 over time, that level rises again. 00:20:20.29\00:20:22.95 So losing weight, stopping smoking, 00:20:22.98\00:20:25.52 and then the 3rd, probably one of the most powerful ways 00:20:25.55\00:20:28.86 to raise the HDL level is exercise. 00:20:28.89\00:20:32.69 And it's really what we call dose-dependent relationship 00:20:32.72\00:20:37.41 ...The more you exercise, 00:20:37.44\00:20:39.21 the more effect it has on raising the HDL level. 00:20:39.24\00:20:43.63 Let me ask you a question about that... 00:20:43.66\00:20:45.27 Can you lose weight without exercising? 00:20:45.30\00:20:47.74 You can lose weight... 00:20:47.77\00:20:51.56 Just by caloric or by what you take in... 00:20:51.59\00:20:53.64 You could lose weight that way. 00:20:53.67\00:20:55.04 So exercise really should be looked at as something 00:20:55.07\00:20:58.18 different than losing weight. 00:20:58.21\00:21:00.03 I mean they may be related, but what you're saying 00:21:00.06\00:21:03.72 is that it's not enough to just lose weight by not 00:21:03.75\00:21:05.59 eating as much food; you need to be out there 00:21:05.62\00:21:08.28 if possible putting some pep in your step, 00:21:08.31\00:21:11.71 and spunk in your trunk just moving it. 00:21:11.74\00:21:14.16 Yeah, the exercise is what's going to help you 00:21:14.19\00:21:15.93 maintain that weight loss... 00:21:15.96\00:21:19.34 What if I can't walk? 00:21:19.38\00:21:21.26 What kind of exercise do I do then? 00:21:21.29\00:21:23.92 Maybe able to swim. Okay 00:21:23.95\00:21:26.60 Cycle. Water aquatics or something like that. Right 00:21:26.63\00:21:29.51 Anything to raise that HDL. 00:21:29.54\00:21:33.05 So lose weight, stop smoking, and exercise. Right 00:21:33.08\00:21:39.52 And the number that we're shooting for is above 40; 00:21:39.55\00:21:45.68 somewhere in the range of 40 or greater. 00:21:45.71\00:21:49.85 In fact, the higher you can get that number, the better. 00:21:49.88\00:21:53.70 So, let me just review a a little bit; 00:21:53.73\00:21:55.66 maybe someone just was joining us. 00:21:55.69\00:21:57.31 The LDL needs to be 90 or below. 00:21:57.34\00:22:02.87 The HDL, if possible, needs to be 40 or above. Right 00:22:02.90\00:22:09.64 Okay, now those are looking at the cholesterol issues. 00:22:09.67\00:22:15.05 Now, we're going to turn and focus on triglyceride. 00:22:15.08\00:22:19.15 What you've said is different, 00:22:19.18\00:22:20.55 completely different than cholesterol. 00:22:20.58\00:22:22.20 It's a different molecule. 00:22:22.23\00:22:23.65 It might be on the same sheet of paper, 00:22:23.68\00:22:25.05 you're looking at your lab tests, but it's different. 00:22:25.08\00:22:27.00 Right, and for a number of years, we weren't really sure 00:22:27.03\00:22:31.10 if triglycerides really affected your risk for heart disease... 00:22:31.13\00:22:36.25 We now know that it does. 00:22:36.28\00:22:39.46 Now triglycerides, again, are carried by what's called... 00:22:39.49\00:22:42.97 "VLDL" another protein molecule that's carrying 00:22:43.00\00:22:47.25 the triglycerides, so when you look at your lab tests 00:22:47.28\00:22:50.22 you'll look down sometimes and see "VLDL" 00:22:50.25\00:22:53.29 and that's mainly carrying triglycerides, 00:22:53.32\00:22:56.31 and also some of the cholesterol is carried in that, 00:22:56.34\00:22:59.38 and we'll talk about that. 00:22:59.41\00:23:01.16 But we know that if that value for triglyceride levels is 00:23:01.19\00:23:07.72 greater than 150, then the risk for heart disease 00:23:07.75\00:23:12.18 begins to go up... 00:23:12.21\00:23:13.58 And this is independent of what your cholesterol level is. 00:23:13.61\00:23:17.33 So, wait a minute, the triglyceride level, if it's 00:23:17.36\00:23:20.39 greater than 150... 00:23:20.42\00:23:22.09 Over 150, the risk for heart disease begins to go up 00:23:22.12\00:23:27.55 irregardless of what your cholesterol level might be. 00:23:27.58\00:23:31.23 So just standing alone looking at it... 00:23:31.26\00:23:33.28 You know, I've seen some tests, even my own lab tests 00:23:33.31\00:23:37.39 where the triglycerides one day seems to be real high, 00:23:37.42\00:23:40.46 the next day seems to be real LOW... 00:23:40.49\00:23:42.64 Is it, is it? Well, and this is how the blood 00:23:42.67\00:23:46.17 is drawn is very important. 00:23:46.20\00:23:48.13 To get an accurate measure of the triglyceride level, 00:23:48.68\00:23:51.60 you have to be fasting for at least 12 hours. 00:23:51.63\00:23:54.79 Oh, I see... So if someone is looking at a lab test today 00:23:54.82\00:23:58.89 and they just went in and got it drawn, 00:23:58.92\00:24:00.47 they went into the emergency room or something, 00:24:00.50\00:24:02.54 and they haven't been fasting, 00:24:02.57\00:24:03.94 then that's really not even something to look at. Right 00:24:03.97\00:24:06.01 Can't judge then. 00:24:06.04\00:24:07.93 Now there are a number of things that are involved in 00:24:07.96\00:24:11.77 raising and lowering those triglyceride levels, 00:24:11.80\00:24:14.99 and our illustration goes through a number of the 00:24:15.02\00:24:18.16 major determinates for triglyceride levels. 00:24:18.19\00:24:22.49 Excess weight, again, the weight RAISES 00:24:22.52\00:24:27.73 triglyceride levels. 00:24:27.76\00:24:29.13 Since triglycerides are fat molecules, 00:24:29.16\00:24:32.37 it only stands to reason that if you have a high fat intake, 00:24:32.40\00:24:36.27 you're going to have high fat levels in the bloodstream. 00:24:36.30\00:24:39.98 STRESS is an interesting one. 00:24:40.01\00:24:43.42 The higher the stress level, because of some of the 00:24:43.45\00:24:47.62 hormones that are produced from the stress reaction, 00:24:47.65\00:24:51.65 they stimulate the body to release fat and raises the 00:24:51.68\00:24:56.80 fat levels in the bloodstream. 00:24:56.83\00:24:58.69 I see, and then the other ones were the same... 00:24:58.72\00:25:00.19 lack of exercise, high fat intake and exercise. Right 00:25:00.22\00:25:03.94 And STRESS as well, so wow... 00:25:03.97\00:25:07.01 And sometimes diet areas... the high carbohydrate intake, 00:25:07.04\00:25:14.27 high sugar intake, alcohol intake can raise 00:25:14.30\00:25:18.88 the triglycerides. 00:25:18.91\00:25:20.73 Now, we've talked about the bad cholesterol, 00:25:20.76\00:25:27.00 good cholesterol, the triglyceride, VLDL. 00:25:27.03\00:25:33.68 If you add all those up, LDL, HDL, and the VLDL, 00:25:33.71\00:25:40.35 all those numbers, VLDL has to be divided by 5, 00:25:40.38\00:25:44.68 add those all up and that will give you your total cholesterol. 00:25:44.71\00:25:48.82 Okay so, say I have an LDL of 100, 00:25:48.85\00:25:51.75 I have an HDL of 50, and then I have an VLDL say of 200, 00:25:51.78\00:25:57.30 divided by 5 is 40. 00:25:57.33\00:25:59.48 That will give you your total cholesterol. 00:25:59.51\00:26:02.61 So your total cholesterol is carried in the blood by 00:26:02.64\00:26:05.46 these different protein molecules. 00:26:05.49\00:26:07.15 That's what that number means. Right. 00:26:07.18\00:26:08.62 LDL, HDL, VLDL divided by 5, all added together. Right 00:26:08.65\00:26:13.46 And that total cholesterol number really even though 00:26:13.49\00:26:19.72 some of the labs still report it as normal below 200, 00:26:19.75\00:26:24.24 and when we look around the world, 00:26:24.27\00:26:26.46 we find that populations that have total cholesterol levels 00:26:26.49\00:26:31.44 below 150 on the average, we don't find heart disease, 00:26:31.47\00:26:35.67 and so many of the researchers in this field are pushing 00:26:35.70\00:26:41.25 for a lower total cholesterol level. 00:26:41.28\00:26:43.83 Doctor, we have 30 seconds... 00:26:43.86\00:26:45.45 We've talked about... 00:26:45.48\00:26:46.85 I want to give you 30 seconds for this little answer. 00:26:46.88\00:26:49.66 We've talked about LDL.. "lousy" 00:26:49.69\00:26:52.17 We've talked about how to get that out of your system. 00:26:52.20\00:26:55.17 We've talked about HDL. 00:26:55.20\00:26:56.86 We've talked about how that's "happy"... 00:26:56.89\00:26:58.64 we want to elevate that. 00:26:58.67\00:27:00.14 And what are some... just summarizing some 00:27:00.17\00:27:03.95 things that people can do to have a good cholesterol? 00:27:03.98\00:27:07.65 Obviously, looking at diet. 00:27:07.68\00:27:11.43 Diet is going to be the foundation #1. 00:27:11.46\00:27:13.55 Okay, diet... what else? 00:27:13.58\00:27:15.12 #2 is going to be the exercise... Exercise 00:27:15.16\00:27:17.86 #3... is going to be looking at their weight... losing weight 00:27:18.50\00:27:22.87 And then you said.. #4... Smoking 00:27:22.90\00:27:24.52 Smoking and then maybe stress. 00:27:25.26\00:27:27.34 And stress. 00:27:27.37\00:27:28.74 Thank you so much for being with us, Dr. Bryant. 00:27:28.77\00:27:31.52 We've been talking with Dr. Kevin Bryant 00:27:31.55\00:27:33.64 from Wichita, Kansas. 00:27:33.67\00:27:35.18 We've learned that there's good cholesterol, 00:27:35.21\00:27:37.37 we've learned that there's bad cholesterol. 00:27:37.40\00:27:39.72 We've learned how to really 00:27:39.75\00:27:41.84 have a good cholesterol and what to do. 00:27:41.87\00:27:43.81 We hope that what you've learned today will be a help to you, 00:27:43.84\00:27:46.96 but not only you, maybe others that you know. 00:27:46.99\00:27:50.48 And as a result of today's program, that you will have 00:27:50.51\00:27:53.99 health that lasts for a lifetime! 00:27:54.03\00:27:55.49