10/29/20071:56:32 PM
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Hello, welcome to Health
for a Lifetime, I'm Don Mclntosh
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today our special guest
will be Doctor Neal Nedly.
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He's from Ardmore, Oklahoma
where he is a practicing
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physician with a
specialty in internal medicine.
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He also focuses on helping
people with heart disease
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and with other ailments
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but he likes more than
that to prevent diseases.
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Our subject will be the
consideration of the number two
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cause of death in America,
second only to heart disease.
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It claims the life of
one in four individuals,
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and if the trend continues,
according to a book recently
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authored by our
guest, it will be number one
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by the year 2000.
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What is that
disease? ... Cancer.
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A disease who's very name
strikes fear in the hearts
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of those who
heart it. But today,...
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we don't want to talk about
the fearful aspects of cancer.
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We want to talk about
good news about cancer.
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And, there is good news
about cancer isn't there,
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Doctor Nedley?
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Maybe we should start out with
just what exactly is cancer?
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What do we do that causes
it? What can we do to avoid it?
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Well, cancer is a frightening
disease as you mentioned.
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It really strikes fear
into the heart of every person
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that I have had the unfortunate
opportunity of telling them
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that the biopsy is
back and they have cancer.
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It goes through a disfigurement
many times and often ends
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in painful death. It doesn't
necessarily have to be that way.
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We are curing more cancers
now than we ever have before.
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But, what many Americans
are totally unfamiliar with
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is that this
disease can be prevented.
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It really should not be
the one or two cause of death.
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It should be way down the list
as far as the cause of death
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in America. If Americans were
on an ideal lifestyle program,
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they really would not be
developing cancer at these rates
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Well, someone's sitting there,
"Well, look, I hear what you're
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saying, and I know there is good
news, but give me some proof. "
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I like the title of
your book, "Proof Positive. "
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I think today you are going
to share some proof with us.
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Proof that can maybe
change what we do day-to-day,
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and proof also that
can give us some hope.
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Yes, really, and as far as
preventing cancer is concerned,
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first of all, we need to look
at the causes of cancer death,
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which is our first figure, and
how it's dramatically increasing
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Hmm, well of course then the
next natural question is what
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kind of warning can
you have to avoid this
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seeming
eventuality for the American?
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Well, first of all it is
important if you have cancer
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to detect it early.
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And thus we broadcast what the
seven cancer warning signs are
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as far as symptoms that
if you would develop cancer
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you would know when
to have it checked out.
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Change in bowl or bladder habits
- that could mean constipation
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that lasts for more than a few
days or diarrhea that lasts more
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than a few days - it
really needs to be checked out.
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The number two cause of cancer
death in the US is colon cancer.
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Now, the only cancer symptom
that most people are aware
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of is one that is not an
early cancer warning symptom
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and that is weight loss.
Weight loss actually occurs
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after cancer has
spread to vital organs.
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Unfortunately by that
time it is often too late.
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So it is important
that individuals check
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with a physician when they have
a symptom that persists more
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than a few days. Most times
they are not going to be cancer,
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but there may be cancer lurking
there and if it is caught early
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enough we have a much
greater chance of cure.
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One of the things on that list
that I wanted to ask about...
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Often times we hear about
breast cancer in America and we
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usually hear about that
in association with women.
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What about men? Do they have
to worry about breast cancer?
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Is that something
they need to check for?
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One in one hundred cases of
breast cancer in this country
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are in men. It
wouldn't be harmful for men to
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actually check their own
breasts It is usually obese men,
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the ones that have larger
breasts, that run into this
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problem. It is not
just a problem with women.
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Are there types of lifestyle
things; habits that we have
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that maybe we should avoid when
it comes to considering cancer?
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Yes, there are several
lifestyle factors that we need
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to focus in on. When we are
dealing with lifestyle factors.
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I like to lump them
into one of two categories.
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One is avoiding carcinogens and
secondly is actually boosting
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the immune system so if cancer
does develop it can be destroyed
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in early stage. So today, we
are going to be discussing the
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carcinogen aspect of cancer.
And that is to decrease the
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level of carcinogen consumption
in America. This can go a
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long way in America in
preventing a host of cancers.
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So when you say "carcinogen"
that means something that
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causes cancer - a substance
that we ingest or come into
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contact with that can actually
lead to cancer. What would
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some of those substances be?
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Well, the number one carcinogen
in America is tobacco.
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Our next graphic
deals with that subject...
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Most people are aware that lung
cancer comes about from tobacco
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usage, but notice that all
of the other cancers that come
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about from tobacco usage:
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Even colon cancer come about
is a result of tobacco in the
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system, either
chewing it or smoking it.
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And many people are
unaware that these type of
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cancers caused by tobacco
tend to be the most incurable
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of cancers, often it is death
within six months to a year
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after one of these tobacco
related tumors is diagnosed,
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even with surgery, radiation,
and chemotherapy, there are
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of course exceptions,
but tobacco related cancers,
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if we would just get rid of the
carcinogen tobacco, 30 percent
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of cancer deaths would be
eliminated in this country.
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That is hundreds of
thousands of cancer deaths.
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Of course, that's something that
I think is common knowledge now.
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But, a hundred years ago it
was physicians that were saying,
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"Hey, we should smoke.
We should do these different
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things for our lungs. " But, I
think maybe a good point as well
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is to emphasize that it
is not just smoking that
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you are talking about, is it?
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No, it's chewing tobacco.
It's really tobacco in any form.
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There are some chewing tobacco
related cancers that have a
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greater chance. Mouth and lip
and throat cancers are greater
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in those that chew tobacco.
But those that smoke tobacco
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have a greater lung,
kidney, and liver cancer risk.
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Your risk changes depending
on which form you are using.
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But really, it's better to
get rid of nicotine and tobacco
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related products all together.
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Are there any other lifestyle
related things that are
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prevalent in America
that we should avoid?
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The number two carcinogen
in America, really, is alcohol.
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Many people actually think that
alcohol is something that is
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life giving and will actually
prolong the life, and it is true
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that if you drink alcoholic
beverages you may decrease your
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risk of heart disease slightly,
but you dramatically increase
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your risk of cancer and other
diseases. In fact, if you drink
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enough of alcohol to get
cirrhosis of the liver you only
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have 25 percent chance of dying
of heart disease compared to a
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person in the general population
Obviously cirrhosis of the
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liver is a fatal condition
and one that we need to avoid.
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Alcohol increases the risk
of a number of cancers as our
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next graphic illustrates.
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There are some cancers
that are related to just small
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amounts of alcohol consumption.
Many women are unaware
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that one alcoholic drink
every fifteen days increases
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their risk of getting
breast cancer by 60 percent!
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Just moderate alcoholic
usage increases the risk of
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colon cancer by almost double
- both colon and rectal cancer.
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Alcohol is a substance that
is the third leading cause of
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death in America. Alcohol by
itself is the underlying cause
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of death. This is a substance
that needs to be avoided.
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The World Health Association
recommends and that we
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completely avoid any
alcohol use whatsoever.
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Thousands upon
thousands of cancer deaths
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would be saved by doing this.
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I was talking to a physician not
long ago who said to me a kind
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of catchy phrase, "We
like to hear good news about
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our bad habits. " Many times
what we hear about alcohol is...
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"Hey, you know, it's going
to help you with heart disease,"
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and it is going to do all these
different things. But really the
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bottom line depends on
how you site these studies.
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If we are really living a
healthful life for our lifetime
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there are certain things
that we need to abstain from.
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We can't get around it. You know
a moderate smoker - a smoker
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that I ran across the other day
as I was giving a presentation
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was saying, "Well, I'm just a
social smoker so it's not really
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going to bother me, is it?"
And, of course, the statistics
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show that even social smokers
have a dramatic increase risk
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of certain cancers and certain
types of heart disease although
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not as much as those who
smoke regularly and routinely.
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So we just have to come to
grips with the fact that in
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order to live life at
its fullest there are some
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things we need to abstain from.
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So, there are good foods, there
are bad foods, there are good
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substances, there
are bad substances.
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No matter what
people are telling us.
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Let's talk a little bit more.
I was interested as I read your
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book - by the way that
book that Dr. Nedly has recently
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authored, "Proof Positive," is
just a super market of facts. It
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just has all kinds of facts, but
the thing that I like about it
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is that each one has a footnote
and being somewhat skeptical of
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physicians... no... Nothing
against you personally, I like
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to check out the facts because
a lot of the physicians I've
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seen do some of the very
things that you've mentioned.
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And the thing that you are going
to mention next, I believe, and
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that graphic really impressed
me. It's one of the reasons
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we're talking about it. It
was something to do with coffee.
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Tell us a little bit about that.
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Coffee, because it has
caffeine in it is a carcinogen.
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Caffeine is actually a
co-carcinogen meaning that...
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if there are other carcinogens
around in the environment it can
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enhance those carcinogens
to cause cancer. This has been
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proven in the laboratory,
proven also in a number of
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different what we call
epidemiological studies where
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we are studying large groups
of people. One study was done
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on a group of people taking
a look at how much coffee they
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consumed. Those that drank
two cups of coffee or more a day
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had twice the risk of bladder
cancer compared with those who
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did not use coffee at all.
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How does that happen?
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Caffeine is eliminated through
the urinary tract, so it has a
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chance to concentrate
in the bladder before the
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bladder is emptied and cause
damage to the bladder wall.
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I know physicians actually
who have come down with bladder
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cancer and their only
risk factor was the consumption
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of caffeine. Bladder cancer is
one of those diseases that if it
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is not caught early
enough, it's very very deadly.
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You say coffee, but then you say
really the culprit is caffeine.
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What about decaf then?
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Decaf doesn't have the
caffeine or very much caffeine.
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It will have about one
percent of what coffee has.
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But, it has tannins in it
that injure the stomach lining.
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I recommend staying
away from decaf as well.
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In my field of gastroenterology
I deal with many people having
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gastritis - inflammation of the
stomach- and that inflammation
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can be caused by caffeine
beverages or decaf beverages and
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so it is better
to eliminate both.
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Hmmm, Well, I imagine that
there are quite a few people
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watching today saying, "Doctor,
I've never heard things like
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this before, I live for my
cup of coffee on the way, I mean
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I drink and I have a big
mug that's thick on the bottom
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and I have comfort from that. "
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What could they
put in place of that?
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Well, there are other drinks.
The best beverage is water.
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All the rest are
really water substitutes.
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Fruit juices would be an example
of something they could replace
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it with and herbal teas that
don't have the caffeine in them.
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There is a drink on the market
today called Roma that is made
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out of barley that some people
say is very similar to coffee.
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So there are other ways they can
go about it. Really, the best
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way is by drinking
water between meals.
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Well, we've talked about warning
signs of cancer, we've talked
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about tobacco, we've
talked about alcohol and coffee.
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Ummm, is there anything else
you want to take away, Doctor?
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Well, there are some other
important carcinogens that we
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need to go through. We
would be derelict not to mention
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other carcinogens, one being
benzopyrene. Benzopyrene is
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produced by
charcoal broiling steak.
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Benzopyrene can cause leukemia,
and cancer of the stomach.
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It is a potent carcinogen and
really needs to be avoided, Don.
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Wow. Now, I know that some
of the cynics out there are
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cigarette smokers saying
maybe I can save money by
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just eating a steak instead
of buying that many cigarettes.
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But, that's not going to help
us at all. You talk about steaks
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and what not. Is there anything
else? Any other substances
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such as the fat in steaks,
does that contribute to cancer?
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Yes, a high fat diet
does contribute to cancer.
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And Americans really are on
quite a high fat fare. About
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thirty five, forty percent
of the diet that they consume
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every day is fat. That is really
too much fat. Lowering the
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percentage fat down to
twenty to twenty five percent
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would decrease skin cancer,
would decrease colon cancer,
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decrease prostate cancer,
and decrease breast cancer.
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There is quite a
relationship between fat intake
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and breast cancer.
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Why is that? Are things stored
in fat that are dangerous to
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us or what happens?
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That's a very good question.
Is it the fat or what is coming
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with the fat that's the problem?
Actually, there is evidence
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that it is some of both. There
are certain substances in fat
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that when it is used in
excess the body metabolizes it
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and produces what we call
free radicals which then can
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cause damage to the gene
of a cell which can then cause
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it to go awry and have cancer
come about. But, in the same
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token, the fat of
animals particularly is more
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dangerous because there are much
more dangerous substances in the
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animals' fat. Pesticides for
instance, there is a well known
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study showing that the pesticide
content of animal foods
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particularly concentrate in
the fat of animals and is much
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higher than you will get from
fruits and vegetables that are
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laden with organic chemicals.
So, if we want to get on the
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lowest pesticide diet we are
going to chose a diet that does
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not have the
animal products in it.
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So much for the industries
desire to make us afraid of
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fruits and vegetables and
stick with animal products.
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Does meat cause any
other problems in cancer risk?
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Yes, there are a number
of cancers that are increased
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by meat. One study done out
of Harvard University showed a
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direct relationship between meat
consumption and colon cancer
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and that's what our
next graphic is about:
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What we found out, as the
study's author Doctor Willit
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pointed out is that
there is no safe level of meat
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consumption as far as
colon cancer is concerned.
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The less consumed the
better and the best would be a
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vegetarian diet where
there is no meat in the diet.
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So less really is more, as
they say. Let me just ask one
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more question for clarification,
is fish considered meat?
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Fish is classified as meat. In
fact, the pesticide content of
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fish is higher than any
other animal product. One of the
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reasons we may see a decrease
in the rate of heart disease
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in this country is that people
are consuming more fish. But
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we are getting more
incidents of cancer because the
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pesticide intake is increasing.
So really a fish, particularly,
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would need to be avoided
because of the carcinogen
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potential of some of the things
that are coming with the fat.
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Well, folks, you have been
hearing some impressive things
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today and some things that
you might want to check out.
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I just want to mention
again the book that Doctor Nedly
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has just recently authored,
"Proof Positive. " It has all
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the nitty gritty details. And,
something as I was preparing
00:21:12.20\00:21:16.00
for today, I was thankful
for all the different references
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whereby you could look
into things. Maybe you could
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help us a little bit. I think
what has been most helpful for
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me is finding out these
substances that cause cancer
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so I can avoid them.
Maybe you could summarize
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some of those things for us.
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Okay. Let's go the next graphic
and look at a list of cancer
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causing agents.
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Tobacco is the
number one carcinogen.
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Meat increases chances of colon,
ovary, prostate, pancreas,
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and breast cancers.
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Dairy products are
high in saturated fats.
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Saturated fats actually produce
much more cancer than the
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poly unsaturated fats in fruits,
vegetables, grains, and nuts.
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Which do you think is more
likely to come down with cancer,
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deadly melanoma skin cancer, the
construction worker that works
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outside everyday or the
executive that works inside?
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I'm going to say the
man that works indoors.
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The man that works
indoors does come down with more
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deadly skin cancer than
the one that works outside.
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The only way I knew that
was because it sounded wrong.
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What is the reason for that?
It is something called weekends.
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That is, the executive
goes outside and gets sunburned.
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Unfortunately it is the sunburn
that brings out the melanoma and
00:23:27.51\00:23:35.86
deadly types of skin cancers.
Sunlight in moderation is a
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healthy thing. In fact, we will
get into the other good news
00:23:38.88\00:23:40.03
about cancer and that includes
boosting the immune system.
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Sunlight boosts the immune
system. In fact it saves more
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cancers than what is causes.
But, sunshine in excess needs
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to be avoided.
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Then if we go back to
our graphic in regards to the
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other cancer causing agents:
Coffee as we mentioned in
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caffeine beverages,
Viruses, the HIV virus,
00:23:57.44\00:24:01.27
AIDS virus, hepatitis
viruses these viruses can indeed
00:24:01.30\00:24:06.90
cause cancer, and a number
of other leukemia viruses are
00:24:06.93\00:24:10.30
lining cancers of the lung.
00:24:13.47\00:24:15.44
Wood dust is excess
can cause sinus cancers.
00:24:15.47\00:24:19.27
Excess sugar is linked
with a whole host of cancers.
00:24:25.06\00:24:29.41
Genital powder and
sprays increase ovarian cancer.
00:24:32.70\00:24:37.78
Many people get discouraged at
this point in the presentation,
00:24:43.36\00:24:47.00
Don, because they think, "All
those carcinogens out here. How
00:24:47.03\00:24:52.41
in the world can we be
avoiding all these carcinogens?"
00:24:52.44\00:24:53.41
We really cannot
completely avoid all carcinogens
00:24:53.44\00:24:59.32
throughout life. I might go down
a city street and breathe in
00:24:59.35\00:25:03.12
some passive cigarette smoke.
Passive cigarette smoke is
00:25:03.15\00:25:06.29
actually a carcinogen.
That has been proven.
00:25:06.32\00:25:09.52
Those that breathe in tobacco
smoke passively, not actively
00:25:09.55\00:25:12.79
smoking it increase their chance
of cancer. So, it tends to get
00:25:12.82\00:25:16.48
pretty discouraging. But
the good news is that the fewer
00:25:16.51\00:25:20.66
carcinogens we consume,
the smaller our risk of cancer.
00:25:20.69\00:25:23.86
We can boost our immune system
to dramatically improve our odds
00:25:23.89\00:25:28.57
as well. In other words, if
I do breathe in this passive
00:25:28.60\00:25:32.37
cigarette smoke and my immune
system is in tip top shape it
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will be able to destroy a cancer
cell before it ever has a chance
00:25:36.31\00:25:39.33
to develop and grow. That's
really a whole other aspect of
00:25:39.36\00:25:42.38
this discussion of
cancer prevention - and that is
00:25:42.41\00:25:45.34
boosting the immune system.
It's that two prong approach -
00:25:45.37\00:25:48.67
avoiding carcinogens and
boosting the immune system -
00:25:48.70\00:25:52.10
that are going to produce
dramatic results as far as
00:25:52.13\00:25:55.53
dramatically decreasing
cancer in this country.
00:25:55.56\00:25:59.07
Maybe another way to say that
is that the best defense is an
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offense. Worry about the
offense. There are some things
00:26:02.40\00:26:05.70
you can't do about defending
yourself against many of these
00:26:05.73\00:26:09.36
different things. There are
many things you can do. Avoid
00:26:09.39\00:26:12.28
many of the things that you have
mentioned today and start to
00:26:12.31\00:26:16.35
move in that direction as soon
as possible - would maybe be
00:26:16.38\00:26:19.87
practical ways to look at that.
I just want to mention again
00:26:19.90\00:26:24.17
to our viewers that we have been
talking with Doctor Neal Nedly
00:26:24.20\00:26:27.83
from Ardmore, Oklahoma. He is a
specialist in internal medicine
00:26:27.86\00:26:32.59
and is really interested in
preventing the common killers
00:26:32.62\00:26:37.59
today. We have been
talking about cancer. I want to
00:26:37.62\00:26:40.33
encourage you to get in touch
with 3ABN concerning his book
00:26:40.36\00:26:45.69
"Proof Positive". And, that
chapter that deals with cancer
00:26:45.72\00:26:51.66
has all the footnotes from
today. I think you will really
00:26:51.69\00:26:55.43
enjoy reading it. It's an
enjoyable book to read and
00:26:55.46\00:26:58.79
it's also very informative.
Someone has said that the way
00:26:58.82\00:27:03.01
you live will largely determine
the way that you die. We found
00:27:03.04\00:27:08.78
that is certainly true today.
Doctor Neal, thank you for
00:27:08.81\00:27:11.78
sharing such practical, positive
and proven ways to help us avoid
00:27:11.81\00:27:17.00
the common killers. And thank
you for joining us today on
00:27:17.03\00:27:21.49
Health for a Lifetime. We
look forward to seeing you next
00:27:21.52\00:27:25.88
time when we move
from defense to offense.
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