Hello, friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition
of "House Calls".
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Welcome to another
House Calls program
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and so good to have you join us
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as we walk through
the word of God together.
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To my right is my good
friend, Pastor John Stanton.
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John, it's always
good to have you with me.
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Yeah, it's great
to be here again.
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You know, it's amazing
to think of all the years
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the Lord has allowed
us to fulfill a dream
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we had a number of
years ago from California.
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Yeah.
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Sat down
together and we've said,
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it would be wonderful one day
if we could just get together
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and share what the Bible teaches
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on various topics.
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It was almost 20 years
ago, can you believe that?
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Ain't that? Ain't that? Wow!
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Time flies and
we look back on it
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and say praise the Lord,
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He's allowed us
to experience that.
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Yeah, amen.
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And so today, we want
to include you in that
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because you are very
much a part of this experience
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of your Bible
questions, your comments,
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the topics that we talk about
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and we're continuing on
the topic of the Holy Spirit,
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the Godhead, the Trinity.
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And today we're
gonna specifically focus
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on the topic of the Holy Spirit,
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that he is in fact
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the third person of the Godhead,
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and so stay tuned with us.
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We also include
your Bible questions,
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but before we do anything more,
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we always like to begin
with the word of prayer.
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And, John,
would you pray for us?
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Yes, let's do that.
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Father in heaven,
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we invite Your Spirit
to be here with us today,
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that You would glorify
Christ in all that we say
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and that we do.
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Speak to those that are
hearing that have their Bibles
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and want to learn from them,
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and we just pray
that in all things
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that we will give You the honor
and glory in Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen, amen.
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You have questions
that you often send to us,
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we appreciate those,
some of them come by letter,
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others by email, so if
you do have any questions
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that you'd like to
include the email address
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that we'll give you is
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where you can
send those questions.
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You can email us at
housecalls@3abn.org.
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That's housecalls@3abn.org.
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And that's the fastest
mode of sending your questions.
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We also apologize that
there are some questions
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we don't get a chance to get to
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and sometimes we
cover them on a program
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that you may miss, so
we do apologize for that,
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but we sure do need your input
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and it does make
a major difference.
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And on that note,
John, what do you have for us
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as far as the
question is concerned.
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Well, I've got a question
here that comes from Pearl
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and she says that she's heard
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whether it's from us or others
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that there is a
verse in the Bible
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in regard to where
two or three are gathered
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that God's there.
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Okay.
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And she says,
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what if there's only one person,
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is He still with me?
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Because I'm married
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and my husband does not believe,
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he does not believe, and
so is God with me in spirit
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when I'm on my own?
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And so I want to go to
that text from Matthew 18,
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the text where two
or three are gathered
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and just show you
the context of this.
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Okay.
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Because Jesus is speaking about
something very specific here.
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I think sometimes
we gloss over that,
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we just, we quote,
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"Where two or three
gathered he's here,"
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in just about every situation,
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but he does make it
very situational here,
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not to say that he's
not establishing that
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when we are gathered to
pray about something specific
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that he will respond to that,
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but in this case he is speaking
about something very specific.
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And so let's
see, let's turn to...
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Let see Matthew 18.
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Okay, Matthew 18.
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The passage itself if you know,
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if you've heard of
the Matthew 18 principle,
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it's in regard to reconciliation
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how we bring people back
in to unity with the church
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and in
relationships with each other
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as part of the body of Christ.
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And so if someone
has committed a sin
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or wrong against
someone else should go to them
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and then appeal to them
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and hopefully bring that
relationship back to strength.
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And then if they don't,
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then you take one
of the person with you,
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and the third step is
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if they still don't take
the whole matter to the church
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and let the church decide
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or even issue
some kind of discipline
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in regard to an issue.
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And so in this context
of reconciliation going out
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and bringing
someone back into the fold,
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back into right
relationship not only with you
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but with God Himself,
Jesus says these words,
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it's in verse 19,
"Again I say to you
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that if two or three...
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if two of you agree on earth
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concerning
anything that they ask,
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it will be done for them,
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excuse me, by My
Father in heaven.
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For where two or
three are gathered together
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in My name,
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I am there in
the midst of them."
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So Jesus is talking about
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in the context of reconciliation
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that if you're praying
for the restoring of someone
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back into a right
relationship with a person
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or a group of
people or a church at all,
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God will be there
to honor that prayer
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where people have come
together for that restoration.
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So that's the
context of the actual passage
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of the text
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that she's mentioning here,
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but in the greater context
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I think whenever we
come together two or three,
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I think the
number isn't as important
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as the coming together
and agreeing on something
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that when a church does
that, when people come together,
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God is there waiting
to and wanting to respond.
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To me, John, it's
really a testimony
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for corporate prayer.
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That's right.
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The Lord's encouraging us
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don't just pray
alone in your closet,
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that's a good
thing, and I say closet
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'cause it doesn't
have to be a closet,
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but just praying
alone in your room
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wherever you decide to pray.
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We all should
have good prayer lives,
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strong prayer lives,
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but corporate
prayer is important
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when we come
together as a church,
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we pray together
and appeal to God,
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in His name on
behalf of the church
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there is strength
in number in appealing
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to the heart of God with that.
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We don't understand it all,
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but certainly
this is what Christ
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is trying to get
to here in Matthew 18.
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And in the bigger picture
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and I'm glad
you brought that up,
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the bigger picture is
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we're talking
about reconciliation.
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One of the principles
that were talked about here
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it's a process
of one, two, three.
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If you go to a person one
to one, that's two people.
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If that person doesn't listen,
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you take another
person two and three
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where two or three are gathered,
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it was talking about
the concept of witnessing
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and the concept
of reconciliation.
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The Lord says, "I'm
there in the midst of you."
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And if you go to
the Old Testament,
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no one could have been convicted
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on the testimony of one person.
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See you have to have at
least two or three witnesses,
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so that's kind of
the context of it,
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it's not, it's not at all about
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whether or not the
Holy Spirit is with you
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or whether or not
he's going to leave you
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because John 14:17 says,
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and Jesus talking
about the spirit of truth,
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He says, "The Spirit of truth,
whom the world cannot receive,
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because it neither
sees Him nor knows Him,
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but you know Him,
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for he dwells with
you and will be in you."
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That's a singular application.
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So when you accept the Lord,
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the Spirit of God
comes into you as John says,
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"I baptized with water,
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but there's coming one after me
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that baptized
with the Holy Spirit
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and with fire."
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So the Holy Spirit
when we accept Christ,
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the Holy Spirit is
a part of that gift.
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And as he says, "I
will never leave you
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and I will never forsake you."
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Now that even in and
of itself is conditional
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because when you
get to the point,
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if you decide
well, you know what?
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And I think you're
gonna bring this up
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and so I'm not gonna go ahead.
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There's another question.
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There's another question
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so I'm not going to
go to that point yet,
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but in answer to this question,
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the Holy Spirit is
a part of that gift
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when we accept Christ
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and He doesn't kind of go
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because you're just by yourself.
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He doesn't say,
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you need one more
person for me to show up.
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And that's the
answer to the question
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it really is that
there is a specific situation
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that Jesus is addressing there,
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and it's not in regard to
whether or not the Holy Spirit
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dwells in you individual,
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it's more of a
corporate prayer appeal.
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And I think that's good. Right.
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I have a question
from evangelist Taylor,
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a very thank you so
much evangelist Taylor.
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He says, I am
listening to your explanation
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in evidence of
receiving the Holy Ghost.
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There is not one scripture
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that reads of one
receiving the Holy Ghost
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without
speaking another tongues,
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the evidence,
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tongues are not
for communication
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to another human but God.
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The gift of
tongues are different
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from the evident tongue."
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Whatever evident tongue means,
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but let me answer the
first part of the question
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and then I
understand the train of thought
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it's about
receiving the Holy Spirit
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and speaking in tongues.
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Well, in answer to your question
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that there is not one scripture
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that mentions the
receiving of the Holy Ghost
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without speaking in tongues.
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I guess you may have
missed John 20:21 to 23
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and let's turn our
Bibles there, John 20.
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The unfortunate thing
on this topic is those
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that are focused
on speaking in tongues
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often only focus
on those scriptures
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that support what
they believe, however,
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the receiving of
the Holy Spirit was
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before the day of Pentecost,
lot of people missed that.
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John 20 and I'm going to
start with verse 21 to 23,
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well, actually
I'll start with verse...
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yeah, 21 down to verse 23.
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"Then Jesus said to
them, 'Peace to you,
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as the Father has
sent Me, I also send you."
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And John 20:22,
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"And when he said and
when he had said this,
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notice he breathed on
them, and said to them,
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'Receive the Holy Spirit."'
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And there is no evidence,
there is not a single word
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after that where
they spoke in tongues.
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He says in verse
23 on the contrary,
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"If you forgive the sins of any,
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they are forgiven them,
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if you retain the sins
of any, they are retained."
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So they receive the
Holy Spirit right there,
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he breathed on his disciples
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and they received the
Holy Spirit right there
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to go forth and do the work
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that he sent them
out two by two to do,
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and there were other disciples
extenuating beyond that,
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but he spoke to
the disciples there
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breathed on them and he
said as he's breathing on them,
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he's empowering
them and he says,
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"Receive the Holy Spirit."
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And there's no evidence of
them speaking in tongues at all,
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and the reason why?
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And this is
something you may miss.
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Let's go to Acts 2 to
see what we may have missed.
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Yeah, and that's
where I was going next to
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'cause 2 Corinthians talks about
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receiving the Holy Spirit,
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there's no mention
of tongues there either.
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Right.
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Let me see... Let...
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Let's go to Acts 2. Acts 2.
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'Cause it shows what
speaking in tongues means.
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Not only does it show
what speaking in tongues mean,
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it shows why they didn't
speak in tongues when they,
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when he said to
them in this verse
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receive the Holy Spirit.
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It shows why they
didn't speak in tongues
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and why it
wasn't even necessary.
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Let's look at Acts 2
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and we're going to
look at verse 7 of Acts 2,
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because these are the
disciples that are there,
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and notice why they did
not need to speak in tongues
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because...
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Well, I'll read the text
and then you'll see, all right?
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Acts 2:7,
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"Then they were all amazed..."
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That's the crowd or the group
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that gathered at
Jerusalem that day,
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they're all amazed, and
here's why they are amazed?
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"They were all
amazed and marveled,
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saying to one another,
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'Look, are not all
these who speak Galileans?"
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Now let's pause.
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The disciples were all Galileans
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so they didn't need to
speak amongst themselves
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with a different language
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because they all
understood each other.
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The only time they
spoke with other tongues
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or other languages is
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because they were now
in the presence of those
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who came from all
of the other nations
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and they were
dwelling at Jerusalem.
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The Bible says, verse 5,
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"Now they were
dwelling in Jerusalem,
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devout in
Jerusalem, Jews devout men,
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from every nation under heaven."
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So now these Galileans
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who didn't need
to speak in tongues
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because they were all Galileans
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understanding
each other's language
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and each other's dialect,
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now they are among a
group of individuals from
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all over the world
and what they have to do?
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They've got to fulfill
the commission Jesus said,
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"Go, you therefore
and teach all nations."
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Now if I decide to
go to Germany to teach
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and I did not go to school
to take the language of German,
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to take the German language.
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But the Lord wants me to go,
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he sends me to Germany and says,
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"Go, teach the gospel."
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What do I need?
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You need to speak
German supernaturally somehow.
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And that's exactly
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what happened on
the day of Pentecost,
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that's why it says in verse 2.
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"Now when the Day of
Pentecost had fully come,
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they were all with
one accord in one place.
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And suddenly" verse 2,
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"There came a sound from heaven,
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as of a rushing mighty wind,
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and it filled the whole
house where they were sitting."
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Now what's amazing
about this people read this.
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This is the first
instance in the New Testament
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where speaking in
tongues is mentioned
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and it clearly, clearly
unequivocally identifies
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what these tongues were.
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People will read
the Day of Pentecost
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where it started
and ignore it and say
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no, it's a
different kind of language
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that nobody understands.
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In fact, verse 8 of Acts 2...
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So let's...
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Why don't you matter of
fact read verse 3 and 4,
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then go down to rest, okay.
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Okay. Verse 3 and 4, John.
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"Then there appeared to them
divided tongues, as of fire,
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and one set on each of them
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and they were all
filled with the Holy Spirit
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and began to speak
with other tongues,
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as the Spirit
gave them utterance."
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Notice the King
James Version said
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began to speak with tongues,
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but the proper
context they began to speak
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with other tongues
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because they were
already speaking in tongues,
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the tongue was
Galilean, the Galilean tongue,
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whatever language was
known in their region,
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that's why when the
Lord first breathed on them,
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they didn't need
the gift of tongues
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because they were all
understanding each other
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very clearly,
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but now the
picture changes in verse 5,
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every nation is
represented there,
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men out of every nation
and all of a sudden verse 6,
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John read that?
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And when the sound occurred,
the multitude came together,
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and were confused,
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because everyone heard
them speak in his own language."
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Everyone heard
him speak in here...
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Everyone heard them
speak in his own language.
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Who were them?
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Let's look at
verse 8. Go ahead, John.
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"And how is it that we hear,
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each in our own
language in which we were born?"
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How? What language?
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The language where we were born.
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Where were they born?
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Go down the list,
I'll read it down here,
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verse 9, "Parthians
and Medes and Elamites,
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those dwelling in Mesopotamia,
Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus,
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Asia, Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt
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and parts of
Libya adjoining Cyrene,
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visitors from Rome,
both Jews and proselytes,"
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that's converts,
verse 11, "Cretans and Arabs
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and once again it
says that a third time
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we hear them speaking get this
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in our, in our own tongues,
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the wonderful works of God."
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We heard them
speak in our language.
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We hear them
speak in the language
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where we were born,
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and finally we hear them
speak in our own tongues.
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It's a language that existed.
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So this prayer language,
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this ideology that you could
speak to God in the language
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that nobody
understands but God is phooey,
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it's foolish, it's not,
I don't want to embarrass,
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I don't want to belittle
the thing that you practice,
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but it's not scriptural.
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Matter of fact,
anything you want to say
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before we go to Romans?
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No, I was going to say the
way we see it today practiced
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in many churches
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if that's what was
going on in Acts 2,
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it would have done
nothing to further the gospel.
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Nothing at all.
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They wouldn't
have even been amazed,
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they would have
sat back and said,
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"What are they doing?"
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Nobody understands. It's weird.
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In fact, Paul later on says,
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that when we come
together for all of the same,
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we all speak the same language,
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you don't have a
need for tongues.
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Right.
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People would look at
us and think we're crazy,
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so that's what
would have happened
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had the current
practice happened at that point,
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but the problem is that
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chapter 2 is
trying to set the tone
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for the rest of scripture
as to how terms or use,
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or what tongues even mean.
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That's right. It
simply means languages.
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You know, the amazing thing
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about this whole practice
on the day of Pentecost is,
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as you just
mentioned a moment ago,
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this was setting
the stage for something
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that was larger
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than just being able to
speak another languages.
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The whole stage
that was being set was
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to communicate the
gospel to the rest of the world,
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and the rest of the world
suddenly became the field,
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"Go ye therefore
and teach all nations."
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The rest of the world
became the field of labor now
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for these disciples,
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and then the apostles
on the Day of Pentecost.
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So now, the Lord is
saying, "I'm sending you out,
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I'm leaving, you gonna do
greater works than I've done
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because I've just hung
around in Galilee and Nazareth
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where I can walk by foot.
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But now I'm sending
you to all the world."
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And you see the explosion
of the New Testament church.
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Matter of fact there's a passage
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you want to share.
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Yeah, and there
are several times
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then the Holy Spirit
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and the giving
of the Holy Spirit
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is mentioned
throughout the scriptures,
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throughout the New Testament.
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The problem is if you
only have the eye glasses on
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that these people are
speaking this language to God
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when you hear
Holy Spirit poured out,
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you're going to
miss all the other ways
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that the Holy
Spirit influence people
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when he was poured out.
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And one of those ways
is in 1 Corinthians 2.
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Okay. What verse?
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So it starts with verse 11.
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All right.
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Says, "For what man
knows the things of a man
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except the spirit of
the man which is in him?
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Even so no one
knows the things of God
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except the Spirit of God."
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Notice the
emphasis here is in no.
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That's right.
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Okay, 'cause we've
already heard twice the word no,
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so something to
do with knowledge.
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Verse 12, "Now we have received
not the spirit of the world,
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but the Spirit who is from God,
that we might know the things
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which have been
freely given to us by God.
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These things we also speak,
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not in words which man's wisdom,
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there's knowledge again,
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teaches but which
the Holy Spirit teaches
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comparing spiritual
things with spiritual.
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But the natural man
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does not receive the
things of the Spirit of God,
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for they are foolishness to him,
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nor can he know them,
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because they are
spiritually discerned.
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But he who is
spiritual judges all things,
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yet he himself is
rightly judged by no one.
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For who has, rounding it out,
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who has known
the mind of the Lord
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that he may instruct Him?
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But we have the mind of Christ."
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So the Holy Spirit, the
role of the Holy Spirit here
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in this passage is to bring
the mind of Christ into someone
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so that he might
know the will of God
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and teach the will of
God, and speak of things
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that are involved
in the will of God.
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Nothing to do with tongues. No.
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The Holy Spirit given
for knowledge, for wisdom,
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and for
understanding of God's will.
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And by the way, thank you,
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that was very
clearly pointed out.
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It is the work
that the spirit does
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to bring about understanding,
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to bring about fruitfulness
as Ephesians 4 I believe it is,
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to the church come to
the unity of the faith
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and the knowledge
of the Son of God.
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And then on the other
side of that 1 Corinthians 14,
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God is not the
author of confusion.
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Today what
happens all of a sudden
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you watch sermons on television
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whatever the
popular speaker might be
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and all of a sudden he says...
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And then he goes back...
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No interpretation whatsoever,
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he could have said nothing
or anything and no interpreter,
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the Bible says, let if
there is no interpreter,
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let him keep silent.
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Secondly, what did he say?
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Well, he wouldn't even know.
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Because there is no interpreter.
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If there is no interpreter,
let him keep silent,
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but the inference here is that
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what I'm
understanding of this evangelist
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to say the
suggestion here is that
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if you are in the spirit,
then you must speak in tongues.
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Let's go to 1 Corinthians 12
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because now
Ephesians or Galatians 5
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gives us the fruits or
the fruit of the spirit,
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love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness,
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meekness, patient,
that's the fruit of the spirit.
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But now 1 Corinthians 12
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talks about the
gifts of the spirit.
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Let's go ahead and look at,
see what the Spirit does here.
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To me, you said
something profound.
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Because when the
Holy Spirit comes in you,
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he brings fruit...
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Right. As well as gifts.
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Right, but the
fruit comes first...
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All you are doing is
emphasizing one gift,
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you're missing all the fruit,
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you're missing
all the other gifts,
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and I think that's what
you're pointing out here,
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I'm kind of
jumping to the conclusion
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but what you just
said is very important.
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Fruit is internal
conversion, transformation,
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gifts are
empowerment for ministry.
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And then let me make a
point very clearly Matthew 7:20,
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it never said by their
gifts you'll know them,
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by their fruits
you will know them.
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We are identifying
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our Christian
connection by gifts,
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that's not scriptural.
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The connection to
Christ is by fruit,
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by their fruits you
will know them, Matthew 7:20,
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"Therefore by their
fruits, you will know them."
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You don't know
them by their gifts,
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because many in Matthew 7
00:22:40.39\00:22:41.96
that very same
passage many will say,
00:22:41.99\00:22:44.33
Lord, haven't we
prophesied a gift of the spirit,
00:22:44.36\00:22:48.63
gift of prophecy,
haven't we prophesied?
00:22:48.66\00:22:51.43
Haven't we done
many wonderful works
00:22:51.47\00:22:52.90
in Your name?
00:22:52.93\00:22:54.27
Haven't we cast out
demons in Your name?
00:22:54.30\00:22:56.91
Emphasis on
gifts. Emphasis on gifts.
00:22:56.94\00:22:59.27
He said, "But I never knew you."
00:22:59.31\00:23:01.54
But how will I
know that I know you,
00:23:01.58\00:23:03.24
how will you
know that you know me?
00:23:03.28\00:23:04.71
By their fruits,
you will know them.
00:23:04.75\00:23:07.22
If you love Me,
keep my commandments.
00:23:07.25\00:23:08.58
He who says, I know Him
00:23:08.62\00:23:09.95
and does not keep His
commandments is a liar
00:23:09.98\00:23:11.85
and the truth is not in him."
00:23:11.89\00:23:13.22
1 John 2:3, 4.
00:23:13.25\00:23:15.69
But let's look
now 1 Corinthians 12
00:23:15.72\00:23:17.56
because starting in verse 4,
00:23:17.59\00:23:20.10
I'm going to start and
then I'm gonna break it down,
00:23:20.13\00:23:21.63
let you read some so
that the persons listening
00:23:21.66\00:23:24.07
can understand that
while you don't get,
00:23:24.10\00:23:26.53
you don't lose the message
by the same voice, all right?
00:23:26.57\00:23:30.11
Verse 1 it says,
00:23:30.14\00:23:31.47
"Now concerning
spiritual gifts, brethren,
00:23:31.51\00:23:34.04
I do not want
you to be ignorant."
00:23:34.08\00:23:36.71
Now verse 4, John.
00:23:36.75\00:23:39.01
There are diversities of
gifts, but the same Spirit.
00:23:39.05\00:23:42.42
There are
differences of ministries,
00:23:42.45\00:23:44.45
but the same Lord."
00:23:44.49\00:23:45.82
Keep going.
00:23:45.85\00:23:47.19
"And there are
diversities of activities,
00:23:47.22\00:23:49.42
but it is the same
God who works all in all."
00:23:49.46\00:23:51.79
Now verse 7.
00:23:51.83\00:23:53.16
"But the
manifestation of the Spirit
00:23:53.19\00:23:54.86
is given to each one
for the profit of all."
00:23:54.90\00:23:57.63
Okay, now, if the gift
you have doesn't profit me,
00:23:57.67\00:24:00.90
God's not going
to give it to you.
00:24:00.94\00:24:03.37
It says clearly,
00:24:03.41\00:24:04.74
"The manifestation of the Spirit
00:24:04.77\00:24:06.14
is given to each one
for the profit of all."
00:24:06.17\00:24:09.08
So all of a sudden
I'm going to start talking
00:24:09.11\00:24:10.61
in the language
of no explanation,
00:24:10.65\00:24:12.61
what profit is it?
00:24:12.65\00:24:14.02
And that's why
in 1 Corinthians 11,
00:24:14.05\00:24:16.99
matter of fact
it's 1 Corinthians 14,
00:24:17.02\00:24:18.72
you know, he says
when all of a sudden
00:24:18.75\00:24:20.66
somebody starts speaking
and no one interprets it,
00:24:20.69\00:24:22.96
it's like you're
speaking to the air,
00:24:22.99\00:24:25.03
you're not even
speaking into yourself,
00:24:25.06\00:24:27.50
you're like
speaking into the air,
00:24:27.53\00:24:30.03
and so but let's look at this...
00:24:30.07\00:24:31.40
And the emphasis here
00:24:31.43\00:24:32.77
though are gifts are
for the profit of all...
00:24:32.80\00:24:34.14
Everybody.
00:24:34.17\00:24:35.50
Where fruit are for
the profit of yourself
00:24:35.54\00:24:37.54
that benefits others
00:24:37.57\00:24:38.91
because of course what
comes out if he was Jesus,
00:24:38.94\00:24:40.98
but it is
specifically for the conversion
00:24:41.01\00:24:43.14
and the
transformation personally,
00:24:43.18\00:24:45.51
spiritually of yourself.
00:24:45.55\00:24:47.42
Beautifully said.
00:24:47.45\00:24:48.78
The intention is
different in both.
00:24:48.82\00:24:50.25
And now notice, we're
gonna go down the categories
00:24:50.29\00:24:52.12
and make it very clear here.
00:24:52.15\00:24:54.09
It says in verse
8, "For two one is
00:24:54.12\00:24:56.02
given the word of
wisdom through the Spirit,
00:24:56.06\00:24:59.63
to another the word of knowledge
00:24:59.66\00:25:02.53
through the same
Spirit, to another faith,
00:25:02.56\00:25:06.00
verse 9, by the same Spirit,
00:25:06.03\00:25:08.20
to another gifts of
healings by the same Spirit,
00:25:08.24\00:25:11.87
to another working of
miracles, to another prophecy,
00:25:11.91\00:25:15.41
to another
discerning of spirits,
00:25:15.44\00:25:17.41
to another
different kinds of tongues,
00:25:17.45\00:25:20.28
to another the
interpretation of tongues."
00:25:20.32\00:25:23.55
Now what I want to
make it very clear here
00:25:23.59\00:25:28.42
in what you'll
discover is the one
00:25:28.46\00:25:30.66
who is giving these
gifts is the Spirit,
00:25:30.69\00:25:33.70
he's giving it
as he sees the need.
00:25:33.73\00:25:37.30
This is something I
want to emphasize once again.
00:25:37.33\00:25:39.37
He is the one that's giving it.
00:25:39.40\00:25:41.44
You can't tell him
which one you want.
00:25:41.47\00:25:44.04
He's giving it, he's
deciding like Christmas,
00:25:44.07\00:25:47.84
like your birthday, you
may have out a wish list
00:25:47.88\00:25:51.51
but people ultimately decide
00:25:51.55\00:25:53.15
what gifts
they're going to give you.
00:25:53.18\00:25:54.62
Most people that
get gifts don't know
00:25:54.65\00:25:56.12
what gift they're getting
00:25:56.15\00:25:57.49
because the giver is
the one that decides,
00:25:57.52\00:25:59.32
in the same way the
Holy Spirit is the one
00:25:59.35\00:26:01.32
who decides what
gift he is giving,
00:26:01.36\00:26:03.16
because he knows where you are
00:26:03.19\00:26:04.63
and what ministry gift you need.
00:26:04.66\00:26:07.06
He gives it as he wills.
00:26:07.10\00:26:08.90
Matter of fact, verse 11,
read that, John, verse 11?
00:26:08.93\00:26:13.97
"But one and the same
Spirit works all these things,
00:26:14.00\00:26:17.14
distributing to each one
individually as He wills."
00:26:17.17\00:26:19.94
As he wills not as you want,
00:26:19.97\00:26:23.65
this is the big Achilles heel
in the Christian world today,
00:26:23.68\00:26:27.48
they're saying this is the
gift I want, I want tongues.
00:26:27.52\00:26:30.79
Holy Spirit says, no,
I'm giving you what I will,
00:26:30.82\00:26:34.49
not your will but as he wills.
00:26:34.52\00:26:36.96
And I would even
suggest because of the fact
00:26:36.99\00:26:40.26
that tongues is
typically associated
00:26:40.30\00:26:41.63
with evangelistic purposes
00:26:41.66\00:26:44.17
and there are less,
many less evangelists
00:26:44.20\00:26:46.53
than there are many of the other
00:26:46.57\00:26:47.90
kinds of equipping gifts
00:26:47.94\00:26:49.27
that probably the
gift of tongues is
00:26:49.30\00:26:50.64
one of the least
given by the Holy Spirit.
00:26:50.67\00:26:53.24
And not only is
it mentioned last
00:26:53.27\00:26:54.64
and that's not even
significant to any factor,
00:26:54.68\00:26:57.51
but the point
that's being mentioned,
00:26:57.55\00:26:59.11
and now we're going
to go to the question
00:26:59.15\00:27:00.48
because this is
something vitally important
00:27:00.52\00:27:02.12
and Christians
that want to sound like
00:27:02.15\00:27:03.79
they have this
edge on everybody else,
00:27:03.82\00:27:05.75
go to this, they don't
often go to this passage.
00:27:05.79\00:27:08.52
Now, John, I'll go
to the same chapter,
00:27:08.56\00:27:12.09
chapter 12 but we're going to go
00:27:12.13\00:27:15.56
now to verse 27 down to
verse 31, I'll read that.
00:27:15.60\00:27:20.67
Say that again for reference.
00:27:20.70\00:27:22.04
1 Corinthians 12:27-31,
00:27:22.07\00:27:26.54
"Now you are the Body of Christ,
00:27:26.57\00:27:28.44
and members individually."
00:27:28.48\00:27:30.91
I am reading from the
New King James Version,
00:27:30.95\00:27:33.42
"And God has
appointed these in the church:
00:27:33.45\00:27:36.55
first apostles,
secondarily prophets,
00:27:36.58\00:27:40.49
third teachers,
after that miracles,
00:27:40.52\00:27:43.73
then gifts of healings,
helps, administrations,
00:27:43.76\00:27:48.13
varieties of tongues."
00:27:48.16\00:27:50.53
Varieties of
tongues. Interesting.
00:27:50.57\00:27:52.77
Not, not a weird tongue
but varieties, what tongue?
00:27:52.80\00:27:56.54
And Paul in 1 Corinthians 14,
00:27:56.57\00:27:58.31
speaking to the
Corinthians he says,
00:27:58.34\00:28:00.68
in verse 3 or verse
5 of 1 Corinthians 14,
00:28:00.71\00:28:04.88
I'll just peak
there and come right back.
00:28:04.91\00:28:07.08
He says, "I wish you
all spoke with tongues,
00:28:07.12\00:28:09.88
but even more
that you prophesied.
00:28:09.92\00:28:12.12
And because he says,
00:28:12.15\00:28:13.49
"I speak with more
tongues than you all."
00:28:13.52\00:28:15.79
See Paul says, I speak in more
tongues than any of you guys,
00:28:15.82\00:28:18.56
what was he saying?
00:28:18.59\00:28:19.93
I speak more languages.
00:28:19.96\00:28:21.30
I speak more languages,
that was not the issue,
00:28:21.33\00:28:23.47
but let's go on
and finish the context.
00:28:23.50\00:28:25.13
Now, John 29 to 31 is
00:28:25.17\00:28:27.24
and slowly emphasize these
points of 1 Corinthians 12.
00:28:27.27\00:28:31.81
"Are all apostles?" No.
00:28:31.84\00:28:33.38
"Are all prophets?" No.
00:28:33.41\00:28:34.88
"Are all teachers?" No.
00:28:34.91\00:28:36.31
"Are all
workers of miracle?" No.
00:28:36.34\00:28:38.11
"Do all have gifts of healings?"
00:28:38.15\00:28:39.48
No.
00:28:39.51\00:28:40.85
"Do all speak with tongues?" No.
00:28:40.88\00:28:42.22
"Do all interpret?" No.
00:28:42.25\00:28:43.59
"But earnestly
desire the best gifts.
00:28:43.62\00:28:45.89
And yet I know
00:28:45.92\00:28:47.42
you more excellent, I will
show you more excellent way."
00:28:47.46\00:28:50.39
Okay, so what's the
answer to all the questions?
00:28:50.43\00:28:52.09
No. No.
00:28:52.13\00:28:54.03
Why?
00:28:54.06\00:28:55.40
Because the Spirit
decides, he gives as he wills.
00:28:55.43\00:29:00.07
So why don't
you speak in tongues
00:29:00.10\00:29:03.04
because the Spirit didn't decide
00:29:03.07\00:29:04.41
to give me that gift, why?
00:29:04.44\00:29:06.17
Because I'm in
Galilee, and he's a Galilean,
00:29:06.21\00:29:09.14
and she's a Galilean, I
am in Southern Illinois,
00:29:09.18\00:29:12.41
he speaks
English, I speak English,
00:29:12.45\00:29:14.85
one of the strangest things is
00:29:14.88\00:29:17.02
we are all in an
English congregation
00:29:17.05\00:29:19.45
and we said now we
have the Spirit language.
00:29:19.49\00:29:21.32
Now let me show you the
Spirit language very quickly
00:29:21.36\00:29:23.76
and then we'll transition.
00:29:23.79\00:29:25.29
This is very important
topic. Let's go now to Romans 8.
00:29:25.33\00:29:30.30
Let me show you
what the Spirit does
00:29:30.33\00:29:31.73
and what we cannot do.
00:29:31.77\00:29:33.74
Romans 8, this is very important
00:29:33.77\00:29:36.17
because what happens is
00:29:36.20\00:29:37.54
we're claiming to do
something that we cannot do.
00:29:37.57\00:29:40.38
And this is a work of the Spirit
00:29:40.41\00:29:42.64
we cannot do.
00:29:42.68\00:29:44.01
And so, in the
King James Version
00:29:44.05\00:29:45.95
it talks about when
the Spirit came down
00:29:45.98\00:29:48.42
and when Holy
Spirit was poured out
00:29:48.45\00:29:49.95
on the day of Pentecost,
00:29:49.98\00:29:51.85
the Spirit gave them utterance,
00:29:51.89\00:29:53.59
this ability now to
speak in other languages.
00:29:53.62\00:29:55.79
But notice what we cannot do.
00:29:55.82\00:29:58.43
Look at Romans 8,
00:29:58.46\00:30:01.90
all right, verse 26.
00:30:01.93\00:30:07.24
"Likewise the Spirit also helps
00:30:07.27\00:30:11.94
in our weaknesses.
00:30:11.97\00:30:14.04
For we do not know
00:30:14.08\00:30:15.41
what we should
pray for as we ought,
00:30:15.44\00:30:19.75
but the Spirit Himself
00:30:19.78\00:30:21.98
makes intercession
for us with groanings,
00:30:22.02\00:30:26.25
and get this, which
cannot to be uttered."
00:30:26.29\00:30:29.96
Meaning we can't do it.
00:30:29.99\00:30:31.39
Some people have said to
me, that's a prayer language.
00:30:31.43\00:30:35.76
The Holy Spirit
does what we cannot do.
00:30:35.80\00:30:39.17
He has the
ability to communicate
00:30:39.20\00:30:43.04
to Christ in a
language that we could never
00:30:43.07\00:30:46.74
which cannot be uttered,
00:30:46.78\00:30:49.68
so why do we...
00:30:49.71\00:30:51.11
What is the super
need of speaking in tongues
00:30:51.15\00:30:54.98
when you are in an
English congregation,
00:30:55.02\00:30:58.39
there is no need.
00:30:58.42\00:30:59.75
If you are in the fields,
00:30:59.79\00:31:01.12
and John, strangely enough
00:31:01.16\00:31:02.49
I used to watch
Benny Hinn years ago,
00:31:02.52\00:31:03.86
I'll use him as an example.
00:31:03.89\00:31:05.23
Benny Hinn is a great proponent
of speaking in tongues.
00:31:05.26\00:31:08.63
I would see some of
his evangelistic series
00:31:08.66\00:31:10.47
when he's in a Latin
country, a foreign country,
00:31:10.50\00:31:14.47
he always had an
interpreter standing
00:31:14.50\00:31:15.84
right next to him.
00:31:15.87\00:31:17.61
He's speaking in English,
00:31:17.64\00:31:19.11
they are
interpreting to the crowd
00:31:19.14\00:31:20.51
and I always said to myself,
00:31:20.54\00:31:22.34
"Why don't this man
00:31:22.38\00:31:23.71
who always says he
has the gift of tongues?
00:31:23.75\00:31:25.35
Why don't he just speak
00:31:25.38\00:31:26.72
and the whole
congregation understand it."
00:31:26.75\00:31:28.48
Never did,
00:31:28.52\00:31:29.85
because the gift
properly understood
00:31:29.88\00:31:32.92
is a gift that the Spirit gives
00:31:32.95\00:31:35.92
and he decides when to give it
00:31:35.96\00:31:37.86
and to whom to
give it as he wills.
00:31:37.89\00:31:42.56
I think it's a
good transitional point.
00:31:42.60\00:31:43.93
Yeah.
00:31:43.97\00:31:45.30
Well, last comment
though on the last verse
00:31:45.33\00:31:46.67
that we talked about
00:31:46.70\00:31:48.04
that we read
from 1 Corinthians 12,
00:31:48.07\00:31:51.97
it says desire the best gifts,
00:31:52.01\00:31:53.41
that word best is
kind of a difficult word
00:31:53.44\00:31:55.61
to understand in English,
00:31:55.64\00:31:56.98
doesn't really translate well.
00:31:57.01\00:31:58.68
It means the gifts
that do the most good.
00:31:58.71\00:32:01.05
Very good point.
00:32:01.08\00:32:02.42
Okay, so in your
situation desire the gift
00:32:02.45\00:32:05.89
that is going to
be most effective
00:32:05.92\00:32:07.42
as you share your
faith with others,
00:32:07.46\00:32:09.22
that's what he's saying.
00:32:09.26\00:32:10.59
He's not saying the best,
00:32:10.63\00:32:11.96
ooh, which one of
the list is the best.
00:32:11.99\00:32:13.76
He's saying the
most profitable gift,
00:32:13.80\00:32:16.97
the most effective
gift at how I'm serving
00:32:17.00\00:32:19.40
I'm called to serve God
00:32:19.43\00:32:20.77
so, anyway just want
to make that statement
00:32:20.80\00:32:22.50
'cause I know what's
ringing in their head
00:32:22.54\00:32:23.87
look the best gift
00:32:23.91\00:32:25.24
and look on this list
the best gift is tongue.
00:32:25.27\00:32:27.28
Here's the
challenge that we have, John,
00:32:27.31\00:32:30.58
and this is a
transition kind of a point here.
00:32:30.61\00:32:33.18
The challenge is
00:32:33.21\00:32:34.98
that many who hear these things,
00:32:35.02\00:32:37.62
the stuff even that we teach
00:32:37.65\00:32:39.55
all they're thinking
about is how to oppose them.
00:32:39.59\00:32:43.53
Let's find the text
that disagree with us.
00:32:43.56\00:32:45.83
And many do that.
00:32:45.86\00:32:47.20
They're not
hearing the teaching,
00:32:47.23\00:32:48.63
many do that, I'm
not saying everybody,
00:32:48.66\00:32:50.00
I'm saying those that,
that are strong against it,
00:32:50.03\00:32:52.70
we receive the letters,
00:32:52.73\00:32:54.47
we receive letters
00:32:54.50\00:32:55.84
coming out hard against
00:32:55.87\00:32:57.21
some of the stuff we're teaching
00:32:57.24\00:32:58.57
and I know the
conviction is happening,
00:32:58.61\00:33:00.34
it's just the,
00:33:00.38\00:33:01.71
the actual looking at
this and understanding it
00:33:01.74\00:33:04.25
is not happening.
00:33:04.28\00:33:05.61
And so, you know,
00:33:05.65\00:33:06.98
we're not here
to convince people
00:33:07.02\00:33:08.68
that are so in this
00:33:08.72\00:33:10.32
that they're just not going
to hear anything we're saying,
00:33:10.35\00:33:12.02
we're here to
kind of share for those
00:33:12.05\00:33:13.72
that don't understand
what the gift of tongues
00:33:13.76\00:33:16.06
or the gift of
any other thing is.
00:33:16.09\00:33:18.23
In fact the best
thing they could hear
00:33:18.26\00:33:19.66
from what we
just said is the fact
00:33:19.69\00:33:21.66
that the Holy Spirit
brings fruit in our lives
00:33:21.70\00:33:24.80
and is also then
through us working
00:33:24.83\00:33:27.00
through us bringing gifts
so that we might serve others,
00:33:27.04\00:33:29.37
that's the best
thing they could hear from,
00:33:29.40\00:33:31.17
from this whole talk.
00:33:31.21\00:33:32.67
So anyway, I just
want to mention that
00:33:32.71\00:33:34.61
because I think
sometimes we get lost
00:33:34.64\00:33:35.98
in proving that point,
00:33:36.01\00:33:38.31
and we're not
here to prove a point,
00:33:38.35\00:33:39.95
we're here to share
what the Bible says.
00:33:39.98\00:33:41.32
What the Bible says,
00:33:41.35\00:33:42.68
the Lord is the only
one that can do the proving.
00:33:42.72\00:33:44.82
Thank you so much
for your questions
00:33:44.85\00:33:46.25
and your comments.
00:33:46.29\00:33:47.62
If you have any more questions
that you'd like to send to us,
00:33:47.66\00:33:49.29
we spent a little
bit more time today
00:33:49.32\00:33:50.66
on that question
00:33:50.69\00:33:52.03
because it was
vitally important.
00:33:52.06\00:33:54.10
If you have any more
questions or comments
00:33:54.13\00:33:55.86
you'd like to send to us,
00:33:55.90\00:33:57.23
send those to
housecalls@3abn.org
00:33:57.27\00:34:00.50
That's housecalls@3abn.org
00:34:00.54\00:34:04.11
We surely do appreciate it.
00:34:04.14\00:34:06.14
Today
00:34:06.17\00:34:07.61
we are going to on the
topic of the Spirit now.
00:34:07.64\00:34:10.05
We're going to go ahead
and wind up our discussion
00:34:10.08\00:34:15.02
which we began on
the Godhead, the Trinity.
00:34:15.05\00:34:20.56
Today, we're going to
talk about the Holy Spirit
00:34:20.59\00:34:22.92
as the third
person of the Godhead.
00:34:22.96\00:34:24.86
In fact, we've already
kind of begun to do this...
00:34:24.89\00:34:26.86
We've already started.
00:34:26.90\00:34:28.23
We've talked about,
00:34:28.26\00:34:29.60
we've shared a
couple of texts there
00:34:29.63\00:34:30.97
which shows that the
Holy Spirit has a mind
00:34:31.00\00:34:35.70
that wills
00:34:35.74\00:34:37.77
'cause he distributes the gifts
00:34:37.81\00:34:39.51
according to how he wills.
00:34:39.54\00:34:42.58
And so you find throughout
scripture the Holy Spirit
00:34:42.61\00:34:47.12
is a personality,
he's an individual.
00:34:47.15\00:34:52.42
Just a few things here,
00:34:52.45\00:34:53.79
just to mention
quickly because I know
00:34:53.82\00:34:55.22
we don't have a lot
of time to spend on this,
00:34:55.26\00:34:56.99
but it is an
important aspect of the Trinity
00:34:57.03\00:35:00.43
that is confusing many today.
00:35:00.46\00:35:02.83
In the ministry
of the Holy Spirit
00:35:02.86\00:35:04.20
and how he ministers
to us and through us.
00:35:04.23\00:35:07.27
The Bible speaks on
of a number of things
00:35:07.30\00:35:11.11
using the pronoun
he, speaking to a person,
00:35:11.14\00:35:15.58
"He teaches the truth."
00:35:15.61\00:35:17.28
John 16:13. "He
convicts of sin."
00:35:17.31\00:35:20.28
John 16:8, "He helps."
00:35:20.32\00:35:22.52
John 14:16. "He testifies."
00:35:22.55\00:35:24.35
John 15:26. "He guides."
00:35:24.39\00:35:26.99
John 16:13. "He regenerates."
00:35:27.02\00:35:30.13
Titus 3:5, Ezekiel 36:25-27,
00:35:30.16\00:35:33.46
"He forbids and
exhibits or prohibits,"
00:35:33.50\00:35:36.03
excuse me, Acts 16:6,
00:35:36.06\00:35:38.13
"He commands, same
verse, He appoints."
00:35:38.17\00:35:41.84
So you get the picture,
00:35:41.87\00:35:43.20
I mean I could go endlessly
on with this but these,
00:35:43.24\00:35:45.57
these are the
things the Holy Spirit does
00:35:45.61\00:35:48.58
in behalf of Christ
00:35:48.61\00:35:50.05
who has as we said in
our last verse given up,
00:35:50.08\00:35:53.42
or our last program,
given up His omnipresence,
00:35:53.45\00:35:55.85
He's given up significant things
00:35:55.88\00:35:58.59
as the second
person of the Godhead
00:35:58.62\00:36:01.26
for our redemption,
00:36:01.29\00:36:03.46
and one of those
this is His omnipresence.
00:36:03.49\00:36:06.09
Very, very good point.
00:36:06.13\00:36:07.73
And so the Holy Spirit,
00:36:07.76\00:36:09.13
He is sending into the
world to represent Him,
00:36:09.16\00:36:12.60
to bring His will, His desires,
00:36:12.63\00:36:14.87
His work in and
through His people
00:36:14.90\00:36:19.07
to evangelize the world
with the salvation of God
00:36:19.11\00:36:21.04
and His gospel.
00:36:21.08\00:36:22.41
So this is what He's given
00:36:22.44\00:36:25.05
and He works through
the Holy Spirit to do
00:36:25.08\00:36:27.92
and just to
remove it as a force is,
00:36:27.95\00:36:30.75
is really a dangerous position
00:36:30.79\00:36:33.86
because you're reducing
00:36:33.89\00:36:38.56
the power that works in
you that to understand you
00:36:38.59\00:36:41.80
and to give you the
understanding of God,
00:36:41.83\00:36:43.83
you're reducing that power
to just simply, just a force.
00:36:43.87\00:36:48.74
And at least they're saying,
00:36:48.77\00:36:50.11
I know I recognize
this is a force from God,
00:36:50.14\00:36:52.34
but this is
something God dwelling in us
00:36:52.37\00:36:56.58
has the ability to know
us and to give us exactly
00:36:56.61\00:36:59.58
what we need
because of His knowledge,
00:36:59.61\00:37:02.15
and that His
knowledge of the Spirit,
00:37:02.18\00:37:04.15
not knowledge that comes
00:37:04.19\00:37:05.52
from God
supernaturally through a force.
00:37:05.55\00:37:07.99
He gives us a Spirit
00:37:08.02\00:37:09.36
that is
constantly working in us.
00:37:09.39\00:37:11.63
There is another
function of the Spirit
00:37:11.66\00:37:12.99
that I think
sometimes people miss,
00:37:13.03\00:37:15.90
amazingly miss and
the work that the Spirit
00:37:15.93\00:37:19.03
does is different than
the work that Jesus did,
00:37:19.07\00:37:22.90
follow me very carefully.
00:37:22.94\00:37:24.94
Jesus came to take our place,
00:37:24.97\00:37:29.74
Jesus came to be our sacrifice,
00:37:29.78\00:37:33.35
Jesus came to be our offering,
00:37:33.38\00:37:35.68
Jesus came to deliver us
00:37:35.72\00:37:39.42
from the penalty of sin.
00:37:39.45\00:37:43.56
I want you to
follow me very carefully
00:37:43.59\00:37:45.83
which we call justification,
00:37:45.86\00:37:48.86
having been justified freely,
00:37:48.90\00:37:53.94
that's the price Jesus paid,
00:37:53.97\00:37:55.64
it's not free, it's free to us,
00:37:55.67\00:37:57.71
but it wasn't free to Him.
00:37:57.74\00:37:59.14
We had been justified freely,
00:37:59.17\00:38:00.61
okay, that's justification
00:38:00.64\00:38:02.24
which means now
because of His righteousness,
00:38:02.28\00:38:04.31
because of His blood,
00:38:04.35\00:38:06.15
we are seen as just
as if we had never sin,
00:38:06.18\00:38:10.09
that's justification.
00:38:10.12\00:38:12.85
But when He left what function
now did He leave to the Spirit?
00:38:12.89\00:38:18.46
Sanctification.
00:38:18.49\00:38:20.50
Let's look at this.
00:38:20.53\00:38:21.86
Now, if the Spirit
was just a force...
00:38:21.90\00:38:26.74
First of all,
let's go to John 16,
00:38:26.77\00:38:28.17
I want you to see this.
00:38:28.20\00:38:30.44
The work that the
Spirit was appointed to do
00:38:30.47\00:38:34.01
could not have
started until Jesus left.
00:38:34.04\00:38:38.18
Jesus did the
work of justification
00:38:38.21\00:38:40.75
but there's a
work of sanctification
00:38:40.78\00:38:42.78
that could not
begin until Jesus left.
00:38:42.82\00:38:45.45
Look at John 16
00:38:45.49\00:38:46.82
and we're going to go
ahead and start with verse 7,
00:38:46.86\00:38:50.39
"Nevertheless I
tell you the truth.
00:38:50.43\00:38:54.36
It is to your advantage
or expedient that I go away,
00:38:54.40\00:38:59.00
for if I do not go away,
00:38:59.03\00:39:00.90
the Helper or the
Comforter will not come to you,
00:39:00.94\00:39:05.24
but if I depart, I
will send him to you.
00:39:05.27\00:39:08.94
And when he comes,
look at what he does,
00:39:08.98\00:39:11.88
he will convict
the world of sin,
00:39:11.91\00:39:14.08
and of
righteousness, and of judgment."
00:39:14.12\00:39:16.99
These are the three
things he is going to do.
00:39:17.02\00:39:19.05
He's going to continually
00:39:19.09\00:39:20.42
let you know
you have need of me.
00:39:20.46\00:39:21.92
He's going to
convict the world of sin.
00:39:21.96\00:39:23.46
When you see sin,
00:39:23.49\00:39:24.83
you have need of a
Savior then of the next stage
00:39:24.86\00:39:28.60
and of righteousness,
00:39:28.63\00:39:30.30
that's the part that
Jesus didn't come to work,
00:39:30.33\00:39:33.54
He came to
accomplish the imparting,
00:39:33.57\00:39:36.00
but the imputing now
of this constant growth
00:39:36.04\00:39:40.24
in grace is
something done by the Spirit,
00:39:40.28\00:39:42.61
it's called sanctification.
00:39:42.64\00:39:44.21
But let me go one more
thing the Spirit is going to do,
00:39:44.25\00:39:47.68
verse 13 "However,
00:39:47.72\00:39:49.65
when He, the
Spirit of truth, has come,
00:39:49.68\00:39:52.39
he will guide
you into all truth."
00:39:52.42\00:39:54.76
That's the process he's
going to continue guiding you,
00:39:54.79\00:39:57.39
but he's not going to
speak on his own authority,
00:39:57.43\00:39:59.36
in the very same verse.
00:39:59.39\00:40:00.73
But whatever he
hears he will speak,
00:40:00.76\00:40:02.26
and he will tell
you things to come.
00:40:02.30\00:40:04.10
He will glorify Me,
00:40:04.13\00:40:05.63
for He will take of what is Mine
00:40:05.67\00:40:08.14
and declare it to you."
00:40:08.17\00:40:09.50
So you see clearly here,
00:40:09.54\00:40:11.07
this is not a ventriloquist
00:40:11.11\00:40:14.34
channeling himself
because Jesus said,
00:40:14.38\00:40:17.45
I've got to
leave so he can come.
00:40:17.48\00:40:20.92
I'm leaving, he's coming.
00:40:20.95\00:40:22.85
When I leave, he'll come.
00:40:22.88\00:40:24.39
If I stay here, he won't come,
so it's necessary for me to go.
00:40:24.42\00:40:26.09
So he's saying,
that he will come
00:40:26.12\00:40:27.99
and impart the benefits
00:40:28.02\00:40:30.49
of what I've begun and
what I, my finish work,
00:40:30.53\00:40:32.96
he will now impart to you
the benefits of my salvation.
00:40:32.99\00:40:37.23
Exactly, exactly the
salvation that I have left,
00:40:37.27\00:40:41.00
now he's going to come,
00:40:41.04\00:40:42.37
he's going to
enhance this thing,
00:40:42.40\00:40:43.94
he's not going to
make it a better salvation
00:40:43.97\00:40:46.17
but he's going to now
walk you through the process.
00:40:46.21\00:40:48.44
What is the
process? Sanctification.
00:40:48.48\00:40:50.61
Romans 15:16, let's
look at that and, John,
00:40:50.65\00:40:53.15
if you get there, I
want you to read that.
00:40:53.18\00:40:56.89
Romans 15:16 we often missed
the aspect of sanctification.
00:40:56.92\00:41:01.32
Sanctification is a work
that cannot be carried on
00:41:01.36\00:41:03.89
by just a doctrinal belief.
00:41:03.93\00:41:06.33
Romans 15,
00:41:06.36\00:41:07.93
I'm getting
there now, here it is,
00:41:07.96\00:41:10.03
I'm offsetting my pages,
00:41:10.07\00:41:11.40
they're nice and loose
that I want to turn together.
00:41:11.43\00:41:12.90
Okay, Romans 15:16
00:41:12.93\00:41:15.70
but read verse 15
00:41:15.74\00:41:18.87
because it actually is
a continuation thought,
00:41:18.91\00:41:21.18
well, actually 14 to 16.
00:41:21.21\00:41:22.88
Okay.
00:41:22.91\00:41:24.25
"Now I myself am confident
concerning you, my brethren,
00:41:24.28\00:41:27.68
that you also
are full of goodness,
00:41:27.72\00:41:30.19
filled with all knowledge,
00:41:30.22\00:41:31.55
able also to
admonish one another."
00:41:31.59\00:41:33.36
Okay, so what are
they, full of goodness,
00:41:33.39\00:41:35.86
filled with knowledge,
able to admonish one another,
00:41:35.89\00:41:38.29
that's great, verse 15.
00:41:38.33\00:41:39.66
"Nevertheless, brethren,
00:41:39.69\00:41:41.03
I have written
more boldly to you
00:41:41.06\00:41:42.70
on some points,
as reminding you,
00:41:42.73\00:41:45.47
because of the
grace given to me by God."
00:41:45.50\00:41:47.37
Okay.
00:41:47.40\00:41:48.74
"That I might be a
minister of Jesus Christ
00:41:48.77\00:41:50.37
to the Gentiles,
00:41:50.41\00:41:51.74
ministering the gospel of God,
00:41:51.77\00:41:53.61
that the
offering of the Gentiles
00:41:53.64\00:41:54.98
might be acceptable,
00:41:55.01\00:41:56.34
sanctified by the Holy Spirit."
00:41:56.38\00:41:57.81
Okay. Sanctified
by the Holy Spirit.
00:41:57.85\00:42:00.58
The sanctification
process there is a process
00:42:00.62\00:42:02.88
that it's a continuation of,
00:42:02.92\00:42:04.79
it's a continuational
process also this,
00:42:04.82\00:42:08.89
this process of sanctification
00:42:08.92\00:42:10.66
is emphasized
again in conjunction
00:42:10.69\00:42:13.63
with the blood of
Christ in 1 Peter 1:2,
00:42:13.66\00:42:17.60
"Elect according
to the foreknowledge
00:42:17.63\00:42:19.53
of God the Father,
00:42:19.57\00:42:20.94
in sanctification of
the Spirit for obedience
00:42:20.97\00:42:24.61
and sprinkling of the
blood of Jesus Christ.
00:42:24.64\00:42:27.28
Grace to you and
peace be multiplied."
00:42:27.31\00:42:30.55
1 Peter 1:2.
00:42:30.58\00:42:32.75
Sanctification,
00:42:32.78\00:42:34.42
the one that the
Bible says so clearly.
00:42:34.45\00:42:37.59
1 Thessalonians
5:23, listen to this,
00:42:37.62\00:42:41.12
"Now may the
God of peace himself
00:42:41.16\00:42:43.79
sanctify you completely."
00:42:43.83\00:42:48.10
The completion of sanctification
00:42:48.13\00:42:49.93
is what the
Spirit continues to do.
00:42:49.96\00:42:52.37
The process of sanctification
is a completion process.
00:42:52.40\00:42:55.54
Salvation is the start,
00:42:55.57\00:42:57.31
sanctification is the
continual growth in grace,
00:42:57.34\00:43:00.04
and then glorification comes
when sin is eternally removed.
00:43:00.08\00:43:04.35
So the spirit
carries on this work,
00:43:04.38\00:43:06.05
so we can divorce
ourselves from the Spirit.
00:43:06.08\00:43:08.25
And, John, as we
speak about the Spirit here,
00:43:08.28\00:43:10.22
I want to just emphasize this
00:43:10.25\00:43:11.59
and I'll give it
back to you here is that
00:43:11.62\00:43:13.92
when you say the
Spirit is not a person,
00:43:13.96\00:43:17.06
now you are
dealing with a force.
00:43:17.09\00:43:19.89
You're dealing with wind.
00:43:19.93\00:43:21.36
You don't know
where it came from,
00:43:21.40\00:43:23.60
you don't know
where it's headed.
00:43:23.63\00:43:25.07
Only time that
that's talked about
00:43:25.10\00:43:26.43
in the Bible is in John 3.
00:43:26.47\00:43:28.70
He, Jesus uses the
illustration to Nicodemus,
00:43:28.74\00:43:31.21
says, this is
how the Spirit works.
00:43:31.24\00:43:33.14
It's like a wind,
00:43:33.17\00:43:34.51
you don't know
where it's coming from,
00:43:34.54\00:43:35.88
you don't know where it's going,
00:43:35.91\00:43:37.25
so also is the
work of the Spirit.
00:43:37.28\00:43:38.78
You don't know when it started,
00:43:38.81\00:43:40.18
you don't know
when it's going to end,
00:43:40.22\00:43:41.55
it's a work that
you cannot predict.
00:43:41.58\00:43:43.45
He's not saying the
Holy Spirit is a wind.
00:43:43.49\00:43:46.35
Yeah, and that's
key right there, yeah.
00:43:46.39\00:43:50.23
Many of what is being opposed
00:43:50.26\00:43:53.29
not only in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:43:53.33\00:43:54.86
but I'm sure in
many other denominations
00:43:54.90\00:43:57.60
who are
struggling with this issue
00:43:57.63\00:44:00.40
and some are
actually losing their faith
00:44:00.44\00:44:01.94
because of this issue sadly.
00:44:01.97\00:44:04.44
I know for our church
00:44:04.47\00:44:05.81
many of it is
going back to a time
00:44:05.84\00:44:08.98
that even as far back
as the Arian Controversy
00:44:09.01\00:44:11.58
where you're talking
about the divinity of Christ
00:44:11.61\00:44:13.52
and some of the
issues surrounding that,
00:44:13.55\00:44:15.72
but the remnants
of that of course is
00:44:15.75\00:44:18.25
that this
anti-Trinitarian, anti-Catholic,
00:44:18.29\00:44:21.12
so it's probably
00:44:21.16\00:44:22.49
in much of the Protestant
denominations today as well,
00:44:22.52\00:44:25.26
but this is going back
00:44:25.29\00:44:26.63
to trying to restore old paths.
00:44:26.66\00:44:31.27
And the confusion often happens
at least within our church,
00:44:31.30\00:44:35.87
the confusion happens here
00:44:35.90\00:44:38.31
in that in defining what
the old paths really are.
00:44:38.34\00:44:42.48
That's right.
00:44:42.51\00:44:43.85
There's this neo-restorationism
that's occurring
00:44:43.88\00:44:45.98
and so in their
mind one of the pillars,
00:44:46.01\00:44:48.88
one of the
strengths of the churches back
00:44:48.92\00:44:50.39
then was the
anti-Trinitarian stance,
00:44:50.42\00:44:53.09
but in nowhere do we find
00:44:53.12\00:44:54.66
not only in our
writings of history,
00:44:54.69\00:44:58.09
but in the writings
00:44:58.13\00:45:00.80
that we get from
Ellen White either.
00:45:00.83\00:45:03.40
There's no evidence there
that the subject of the Trinity
00:45:03.43\00:45:07.44
or the Godhead however,
00:45:07.47\00:45:08.80
whatever term
00:45:08.84\00:45:10.17
you're going to use is a pillar.
00:45:10.21\00:45:11.54
No, no, you're right.
00:45:11.57\00:45:13.48
It's something
that they understood
00:45:13.51\00:45:14.91
and grew in over time.
00:45:14.94\00:45:17.61
In fact we as a church
00:45:17.65\00:45:19.51
deliberately did
not accept a creed.
00:45:19.55\00:45:22.55
I know we talked about
this before just briefly.
00:45:22.58\00:45:25.32
We understood that
truth grew over time
00:45:25.35\00:45:27.72
and God allowed truth
00:45:27.76\00:45:29.42
and brought truth
to his people over time
00:45:29.46\00:45:31.83
that you realize
it's for seven years,
00:45:31.86\00:45:34.46
Sabbath keeping
began at 6 o'clock.
00:45:34.50\00:45:37.83
Sabbath keeping
begin at 6 o'clock
00:45:37.87\00:45:39.93
and God did nothing
about that for seven years
00:45:39.97\00:45:43.54
and it wasn't because
00:45:43.57\00:45:45.07
some vision or
dream that we changed,
00:45:45.11\00:45:47.71
but it was Andrews
00:45:47.74\00:45:49.31
who did his full
study on it and realized,
00:45:49.34\00:45:51.58
"Hey, wait a minute,
the Jews have it right."
00:45:51.61\00:45:54.02
Hence it's sundown.
00:45:54.05\00:45:55.65
And we then changed
00:45:55.68\00:45:57.02
from the 6
o'clock time to sunrise.
00:45:57.05\00:45:58.39
You mean, John Nevins Andrews.
00:45:58.42\00:45:59.75
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:59.79\00:46:01.12
And so it's
studying the Word of God
00:46:01.16\00:46:03.19
and seeing how truth is
given and help comes over time,
00:46:03.22\00:46:07.00
it's something we have done
00:46:07.03\00:46:08.36
as a people for
a long, long time.
00:46:08.40\00:46:10.60
And so, I just want to
read a brief statement here
00:46:10.63\00:46:13.94
and this one comes from a letter
00:46:13.97\00:46:18.27
to Elder Daniels in 1907,
00:46:18.31\00:46:21.04
so Ellen White wrote
00:46:21.08\00:46:22.41
this a good eight
years before her death
00:46:22.44\00:46:24.61
and she writes,
00:46:24.65\00:46:25.98
"The word of the
Lord has guided our steps
00:46:26.01\00:46:27.48
since the passing
of time since 1844,
00:46:27.52\00:46:30.09
we have searched the scriptures,
00:46:30.12\00:46:31.45
we have built solidly
00:46:31.49\00:46:33.39
and we have not had to
tear up our foundations
00:46:33.42\00:46:35.76
and put in new timbers."
00:46:35.79\00:46:37.36
That's right.
00:46:37.39\00:46:38.73
What you don't maybe understand
is that the understanding
00:46:38.76\00:46:42.20
and acceptance of
Trinitarian beliefs had already,
00:46:42.23\00:46:44.97
was already well
underway at that time.
00:46:45.00\00:46:48.50
So she evidently sees
and she wrote in many cases
00:46:48.54\00:46:53.54
in support of a full
understanding of Christ
00:46:53.58\00:46:56.28
and His divinity,
00:46:56.31\00:46:57.65
we've already
covered those issues
00:46:57.68\00:46:59.08
how His nature,
00:46:59.11\00:47:00.45
what His nature
is and who He was,
00:47:00.48\00:47:02.65
and then the Holy
Spirit and his role,
00:47:02.68\00:47:04.75
he's a distinct personality.
00:47:04.79\00:47:06.35
That's right.
00:47:06.39\00:47:07.72
And so anyway this
confusion is something
00:47:07.76\00:47:10.99
that we're trying to clear up,
00:47:11.03\00:47:12.36
but I know some of the text
00:47:12.39\00:47:13.73
that we've given
things are read by others
00:47:13.76\00:47:15.10
and they're
answering in their own minds
00:47:15.13\00:47:16.97
to think of
something else to oppose that,
00:47:17.00\00:47:19.60
but I'm here to say that,
00:47:19.63\00:47:21.44
I think it's a
dangerous position
00:47:21.47\00:47:22.94
to oppose.
00:47:22.97\00:47:25.97
God Himself,
00:47:26.01\00:47:28.34
who is coming to
bring understanding,
00:47:28.38\00:47:30.68
coming to bring discernment,
00:47:30.71\00:47:32.25
coming to bring transformation,
00:47:32.28\00:47:34.48
and when we do that
00:47:34.52\00:47:36.58
we in many ways can quench
the very thing that we seek.
00:47:36.62\00:47:41.49
The working of the Holy Spirit
00:47:41.52\00:47:42.86
with the fullness
of his power as God,
00:47:42.89\00:47:45.49
a person, a personhood
of God in our lives at work.
00:47:45.53\00:47:49.33
I think it's a
tremendous blessing,
00:47:49.36\00:47:51.20
John, to know that we
have God working in us.
00:47:51.23\00:47:56.64
Not just from outside on us,
00:47:56.67\00:47:59.67
God has been put in us.
00:47:59.71\00:48:03.04
The thought God is
working in us not making us God,
00:48:03.08\00:48:08.55
but empowering and strengthening
00:48:08.58\00:48:09.95
and transforming
and working in us
00:48:09.98\00:48:12.72
and it's just,
it's an amazing thought
00:48:12.75\00:48:15.02
that he would do that for us,
00:48:15.06\00:48:16.52
this gift is more than we think.
00:48:16.56\00:48:19.86
John, it's so amazing...
00:48:19.89\00:48:21.33
We don't want to minimize it.
00:48:21.36\00:48:22.76
And the thing
that's being minimized
00:48:22.80\00:48:24.23
about this belief
on the Holy Spirit
00:48:24.27\00:48:25.73
is that we're just saying
00:48:25.77\00:48:27.10
that he's not a
person of the Godhead.
00:48:27.14\00:48:28.50
Well, that's unfortunate
00:48:28.54\00:48:29.87
because the Bible
doesn't support that theology.
00:48:29.90\00:48:32.47
I wouldn't even say theology,
00:48:32.51\00:48:33.84
the Bible doesn't
support that viewpoint,
00:48:33.88\00:48:35.31
theology is the truth about God.
00:48:35.34\00:48:37.11
The Bible doesn't
support that viewpoint at all.
00:48:37.15\00:48:39.45
If you go to the Book of Acts 5,
00:48:39.48\00:48:40.92
and I'm going to give you
a couple of passages here.
00:48:40.95\00:48:42.98
Acts 5 is a passage in the Bible
00:48:43.02\00:48:45.75
or story in the
Bible that shows us
00:48:45.79\00:48:47.42
how the New Testament
church began to be formed.
00:48:47.46\00:48:49.89
And at the beginning
00:48:49.92\00:48:51.26
of the New
Testament church being formed,
00:48:51.29\00:48:52.96
there were certain parameters
00:48:52.99\00:48:54.33
that the Lord
made sure were in place
00:48:54.36\00:48:56.23
that the church
would not go off tangent,
00:48:56.26\00:48:58.37
or go awry, or
lose its way as it were,
00:48:58.40\00:49:01.84
or just become a
fraction that is all splintered.
00:49:01.87\00:49:04.81
The Lord wanted the church
00:49:04.84\00:49:06.57
to be as pure at its inception
00:49:06.61\00:49:08.68
as He would want the
church to be at any point.
00:49:08.71\00:49:11.98
So He dealt with
fractions in the church
00:49:12.01\00:49:14.02
that were adverse to
the strength of the church
00:49:14.05\00:49:17.25
and the Spirit of God
was very much a part of that,
00:49:17.29\00:49:20.66
and notice what
happened, the story isn't clear.
00:49:20.69\00:49:24.76
The church was
growing and they decided to do
00:49:24.79\00:49:28.76
a "fundraiser" to
strengthen the church.
00:49:28.80\00:49:33.37
The church had many members
that had many, many needs.
00:49:33.40\00:49:36.64
And the Spirit of the
Lord fell upon the congregants
00:49:36.67\00:49:40.34
and they decided
00:49:40.38\00:49:42.61
we're going to go
ahead as Acts 4:37 ends,
00:49:42.64\00:49:47.05
it says, having land,
speaking about the church.
00:49:47.08\00:49:51.89
Acts chapter 4:30...
00:49:51.92\00:49:55.82
Let's just say
verse 34, Acts 4:34,
00:49:55.86\00:50:00.86
I'm going to read this,
00:50:00.90\00:50:02.43
"Nor was there any
among them who lacked,
00:50:02.46\00:50:06.37
for all who were
possessors of the land
00:50:06.40\00:50:10.04
and houses sold to them,
00:50:10.07\00:50:12.84
and brought the
proceeds of the things
00:50:12.87\00:50:15.41
that were sold,
00:50:15.44\00:50:16.78
and laid them at
the apostles' feet,
00:50:16.81\00:50:19.51
and they distributed to
each as anyone had need."
00:50:19.55\00:50:23.08
And verse 37,
00:50:23.12\00:50:24.62
"Having land, sold it,
00:50:24.65\00:50:26.59
and brought the money
00:50:26.62\00:50:27.96
and laid it at
the apostles' feet."
00:50:27.99\00:50:29.82
So seeing this
display Ananias and Sapphira,
00:50:29.86\00:50:34.26
this is in verse 1 of chapter 5,
00:50:34.30\00:50:36.60
"But a certain
man named Ananias,
00:50:36.63\00:50:38.43
with Sapphira his
wife, sold a possession."
00:50:38.47\00:50:41.34
And it says in verse 2,
00:50:41.37\00:50:42.70
"And they kept back
part of the proceeds."
00:50:42.74\00:50:45.04
So now they come to the service.
00:50:45.07\00:50:47.94
And they say to Peter.
00:50:47.98\00:50:50.48
They come
separately first Ananias comes,
00:50:50.51\00:50:53.05
then Sapphira later,
and it says in verse 8,
00:50:53.08\00:50:56.05
"And Peter answered and says,
00:50:56.08\00:50:58.79
well, verse 3,
00:50:58.82\00:51:00.59
"But Peter said, "Ananias,
listen to this very carefully,
00:51:00.62\00:51:04.13
why has Satan filled your heart
00:51:04.16\00:51:06.43
to lie to the Holy Spirit?
00:51:06.46\00:51:09.46
Why has Satan filled your
heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
00:51:09.50\00:51:14.04
or to whom was he lying."
00:51:14.07\00:51:15.97
Look at verse 4.
00:51:16.00\00:51:18.61
"While he remained,
was it not your own?
00:51:18.64\00:51:20.74
And after it was
sold, was it not your own,
00:51:20.78\00:51:23.61
why have you conceived
this thing in your heart?"
00:51:23.65\00:51:27.02
Get this,
00:51:27.05\00:51:28.38
he first said the Holy
Spirit and then he says,
00:51:28.42\00:51:30.35
"You have not lied
to men but to God."
00:51:30.39\00:51:34.06
Peter clearly
as the apostle said
00:51:34.09\00:51:37.89
why has Satan filled your heart
to the lie to the Holy Spirit,
00:51:37.93\00:51:40.86
you have not lied
to men, but to God.
00:51:40.90\00:51:43.93
Clearly the
person of the Godhead,
00:51:43.97\00:51:45.73
he equates the Holy Spirit
as the person of the Godhead.
00:51:45.77\00:51:50.27
So now get this.
00:51:50.31\00:51:52.54
The lying to the Holy
Spirit, you know why they died?
00:51:52.57\00:51:57.28
Because they grieved the Spirit
00:51:57.31\00:52:00.22
and the grieving of the
Spirit as a matter of fact
00:52:00.25\00:52:02.62
I believe it's us in
Matthew to show the difference,
00:52:02.65\00:52:04.79
anything you want
to say on that, John?
00:52:04.82\00:52:08.22
No, I just, I'm going
to read a statement here
00:52:08.26\00:52:09.96
as we begin to close in
regard to the Holy Spirit,
00:52:09.99\00:52:14.43
but I think the point
you're making are very good
00:52:14.46\00:52:17.00
because it is a
dangerous point to start to,
00:52:17.03\00:52:19.90
position to start to think
00:52:19.93\00:52:21.54
in terms of the Holy
Spirit is not being God Himself,
00:52:21.57\00:52:26.14
but the Bible
speaks very strongly.
00:52:26.17\00:52:27.71
Jesus speaks very strongly
00:52:27.74\00:52:29.11
against lying
to the Holy Spirit,
00:52:29.14\00:52:32.81
obviously played
out there in the story
00:52:32.85\00:52:34.38
you just read,
00:52:34.42\00:52:35.75
but also in
blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
00:52:35.78\00:52:41.46
In fact
blaspheming against Jesus
00:52:41.49\00:52:44.06
is not seen as something
worthy of condemnation,
00:52:44.09\00:52:48.70
God can deal with that,
00:52:48.73\00:52:50.90
but the
blaspheming of the Holy Spirit,
00:52:50.93\00:52:52.67
I don't know if
that's where you were going
00:52:52.70\00:52:54.04
with the
blaspheming of the Holy Spirit
00:52:54.07\00:52:56.00
is much more problematic
00:52:56.04\00:52:58.04
because it's the denial
00:52:58.07\00:53:00.31
of the presence of Christ
working and living in you.
00:53:00.34\00:53:03.14
That's right.
00:53:03.18\00:53:05.41
And the presence of Christ
00:53:05.45\00:53:07.72
comes to you in the fullness
of God Himself and His Spirit.
00:53:07.75\00:53:12.82
And that's why Peter made
it even clearer in verse 9,
00:53:12.85\00:53:15.52
he says, and Peter said
to her, that is to Sapphira,
00:53:15.56\00:53:18.66
"How is it that you
have agreed together
00:53:18.69\00:53:21.60
to test the Spirit of the Lord."
00:53:21.63\00:53:25.53
How you guys,
00:53:25.57\00:53:27.40
you lied to the
Spirit which is to God,
00:53:27.44\00:53:29.60
the Spirit of the Lord.
00:53:29.64\00:53:31.04
How did you, why
would you do that?
00:53:31.07\00:53:32.77
And to show you that
they are not the same,
00:53:32.81\00:53:34.91
to show you that Jesus
00:53:34.94\00:53:36.28
and the Holy
Spirit are not the same,
00:53:36.31\00:53:38.08
one is, I have to
leave for him to come,
00:53:38.11\00:53:40.65
but to show you
how powerful it is,
00:53:40.68\00:53:42.35
and by the way,
00:53:42.38\00:53:43.72
you're going to read
that statement, John?
00:53:43.75\00:53:45.09
No, I'm going to
do it at the end.
00:53:45.12\00:53:46.45
Okay, here it is, Matthew 12:31,
00:53:46.49\00:53:50.33
speaking about the blasphemy
00:53:50.36\00:53:51.69
you alluded to that
showing how dangerous it is.
00:53:51.73\00:53:54.50
Jesus said,
00:53:54.53\00:53:55.86
"Therefore, I say to you
00:53:55.90\00:53:57.37
every sin and blasphemy
will be forgiven men..."
00:53:57.40\00:54:01.00
Matthew 12:31,
00:54:01.04\00:54:03.24
"But the
blasphemy against the Spirit
00:54:03.27\00:54:05.11
will not be forgiven men.
00:54:05.14\00:54:07.01
Anyone who speaks a
word against the Son of Man,
00:54:07.04\00:54:10.38
it will be forgiven him,
00:54:10.41\00:54:12.11
but whoever speaks
against the Holy Spirit,
00:54:12.15\00:54:15.28
it will not be forgiven him
00:54:15.32\00:54:16.92
either in this age
or in the age to come."
00:54:16.95\00:54:20.49
Two different persons...
00:54:20.52\00:54:21.86
Completely. Right.
00:54:21.89\00:54:23.22
Spoken of in that verse.
00:54:23.26\00:54:24.59
So to merge them
together and say,
00:54:24.63\00:54:25.99
well, he means
the Spirit of Christ.
00:54:26.03\00:54:27.66
No, that's not what he means
00:54:27.70\00:54:29.03
because if He meant
the Spirit of Christ,
00:54:29.06\00:54:30.70
then it would be forgiven,
00:54:30.73\00:54:32.97
but He didn't mean
the Spirit of Christ.
00:54:33.00\00:54:34.67
He says, "If you
blaspheme against Me,
00:54:34.70\00:54:37.01
I'll forgive you,
00:54:37.04\00:54:38.37
but Him it won't be
forgiven in this life
00:54:38.41\00:54:40.78
nor in the age to come."
00:54:40.81\00:54:42.48
And the terms the free
Spirit of Christ is intended,
00:54:42.51\00:54:45.38
it is intended to take this.
00:54:45.41\00:54:46.75
Spirit of the Lord.
00:54:46.78\00:54:48.12
Spirit of the Lord
or the Spirit of Christ
00:54:48.15\00:54:49.55
and you will find that
in the writings of Paul,
00:54:49.58\00:54:51.99
but Jesus came to
glorify His Father.
00:54:52.02\00:54:54.66
That's right.
00:54:54.69\00:54:56.02
And then the Holy Spirit
is sent to glorify Jesus.
00:54:56.06\00:54:59.93
And the three
are working together
00:54:59.96\00:55:01.63
to bring glory to God.
00:55:01.66\00:55:03.80
So the Spirit of
Christ simply means
00:55:03.83\00:55:05.40
that the Holy
Spirit in his activities
00:55:05.43\00:55:09.14
as the agent of salvation
and personal transformation,
00:55:09.17\00:55:13.14
recreation in us
00:55:13.17\00:55:15.58
that He is bringing
Christ into our life,
00:55:15.61\00:55:18.45
He is then the
Spirit of Christ Himself.
00:55:18.48\00:55:20.05
That's right.
00:55:20.08\00:55:21.42
That's all it means,
00:55:21.45\00:55:22.78
it doesn't mean
that it is just a Spirit
00:55:22.82\00:55:24.29
and it's not really a
person of the Godhead.
00:55:24.32\00:55:29.72
It means far more
than that. That's right.
00:55:29.76\00:55:32.13
The same, the same
actuating connection
00:55:32.16\00:55:34.73
that Christ has with the Father
00:55:34.76\00:55:36.43
and with the Spirit
00:55:36.46\00:55:37.80
is the same thing
that unified together,
00:55:37.83\00:55:39.73
that's why when you
see that Jesus said,
00:55:39.77\00:55:41.37
it will not be forgiven
00:55:41.40\00:55:42.74
when you speak
against the Holy Spirit,
00:55:42.77\00:55:45.57
it also says in Ephesians 4:30,
00:55:45.61\00:55:48.04
"And do not grieve
the Holy Spirit of God,
00:55:48.08\00:55:51.48
by whom you were sealed
for the day of redemption."
00:55:51.51\00:55:54.15
And Paul says it so
simply in 1 Thessalonians 5:19,
00:55:54.18\00:55:59.19
"Do not quench the spirit."
00:55:59.22\00:56:01.12
Yeah.
00:56:01.16\00:56:02.49
At the turn of the century
00:56:02.52\00:56:04.33
from right around
the period of 1900,
00:56:04.36\00:56:07.20
as I mentioned
before 1905 was a statement
00:56:07.23\00:56:09.16
I read from before.
00:56:09.20\00:56:12.43
What you have is this,
00:56:12.47\00:56:14.17
this clear conveying of thought
00:56:14.20\00:56:17.04
of the personhood
of the Holy Spirit.
00:56:17.07\00:56:19.04
Ellen White gets
very specific on this.
00:56:19.07\00:56:21.14
Just a couple of
things that she mentions
00:56:21.18\00:56:22.74
just for those who are listening
00:56:22.78\00:56:25.21
from Manuscript 66
in 1899, page nine,
00:56:25.25\00:56:29.82
"We have been
brought together as a school
00:56:29.85\00:56:32.15
and we need to
realize that the Holy Spirit
00:56:32.19\00:56:34.56
who is as much a person
00:56:34.59\00:56:35.92
as God is a person is
walking through these grounds
00:56:35.96\00:56:39.29
and that the Lord God
is our keeper and helper."
00:56:39.33\00:56:42.86
So she's very clear
in her statement on that.
00:56:42.90\00:56:45.07
Here's another one in 1906,
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"The Holy Spirit
has a personality
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else he could not
bear witness to our spirits
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and with our spirits
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that we are the children of God,
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he must also be a divine person,
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else he could not
search out the secrets
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which lie hidden
in the mind of God."
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Wow.
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So very clear,
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I mean what happens
is often some will say,
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well, you read those
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but she really didn't write that
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and then you're
getting all these conspiracies.
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The only way to establish
an anti-Trinitarian stance
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for our church
today is to revise history
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and to instill some kind of
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a conspiracy theory
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that happened with regard
to what she actually wrote.
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So anyway, sad to say
but that is happening.
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But I think we've
clearly established
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what the Bible does
say on this topic today.
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You know, and
that's why what happened
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in the days of
the antediluvians,
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when you deny the
Spirit, it's dangerous,
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it could happen to you.
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The Lord said,
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"My Spirit will not
always strive with men
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when he was Jewish
from the antediluvians,
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we saw what happen,
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we must pray
the prayer of David,
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Psalms 51:11,
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"Do not cast me
away from the presence
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and do not take
your Holy Spirit from me.
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May that be your prayer,
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and may God bless you
until we see you again.
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