Hello, friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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Welcome to the living room
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where truth has been
shared on several occasions.
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And we're gonna do
the same thing today,
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and I've got my good
friend that I've known since,
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how long have we
known each other?
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Birth, I don't know.
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Man, that's been a long
time, but hey, John and John.
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Since the late 90's.
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Since the late 90's? 97.
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John and John here today,
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we are going to make a
house call on your family,
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and thank you for
taken the time to tune in.
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We got a dynamic topic.
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If you're fortunate enough
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or blessed
enough to hear part one,
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we just laid some foundation,
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we're talking about the
myths of dispensationalism.
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Here we go.
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At best it's just sensational,
it's not scriptural.
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And we're gonna
talk about that today.
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We also gonna take
your Bible questions
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which we have a
couple of them, but today,
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unlike many of
our prior broadcast,
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we gonna spend a lot
of the time on the topic.
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Yeah, little less on questions.
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Little less on questions,
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so get your
Bibles, get your pens,
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invite your
family and your friends,
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and we are going to
really enjoy our time together.
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Before we even let you
know how to send your questions,
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we are going to ask
the Lord to bless us,
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so, John, would
you have prayer for us?
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Yes.
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Please Father in heaven,
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we come to You here
asking for your blessing.
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As John just
mentioned your blessing
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to gives us the truth
that we want from Your word
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to an understanding it better,
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appreciation of what Your
words says about many topics.
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And today, Lord the topic is
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one that is near
and dear to many of us.
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And we just pray that
your sprit would guide us
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through the various
things we're talking about
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and You should help us to
have that full understanding
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of Your truth.
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And that by Your grace,
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we may stand
here in this last days
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before Jesus returns,
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we look forward to
seeing Him soon in Jesus' name.
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Amen. Amen!
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John, let's make the
best use of our time today,
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what's your first question?
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I have a question from
Gene and the question is that.
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"When Jesus was dying
on the cross he asked God
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"Why has thou forsaken me?"
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I've heard it preached
that God turned His back on Him
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because His body had on
it the sins of the world.
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God did not want to
look upon all his sin--
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all this sin.
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Is this why?
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We know that sin
cannot enter heaven."
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And so anyway she
wants clarification of that,
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and Gene is asking
for help with that.
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You know, it's in--
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When Christ was
dying on the cross,
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He felt the weight
of the world upon him,
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okay, by his
stripes we are healed.
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If you look to Isaiah,
a very clear explanation
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of what He was
going to go through
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as the sin bearer.
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It wasn't so much
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that His Father was
not looking upon on Him
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or turned His back on Him.
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As much as it is,
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Christ recognition that sin has
separated Him from His Father.
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Right.
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And so, we need to remember
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that as you're
hearing the words,
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as you're reading the words
"Why has thou forsaken me,"
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it was the experience of Christ
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feeling the
separation from His Father,
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because He knew
the sin of the world
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was resting upon Him.
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That right.
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But the Father was still near.
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Right.
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And His Father who
had given Him assurance
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and promise of His love
and His presence forever.
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That is what Jesus relied on,
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so in spite of how the
situation appear to be,
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how He felt with
the sin being rest,
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laid upon Him and,
and really tearing Him up
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and also killing Him by
tearing his part of heart,
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it's heart apart.
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That still He rested
and He rested on the promise
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that His Father
would be with Him anyway.
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Right.
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So, while He couldn't see Him,
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He experienced that second death
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so to speak for us,
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that we would have to experience
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had we not had
that wonderful gift
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of atonement
for us on the cross.
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Still we know with confidence,
and he know with confidence
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and just by faith that
His Father did love Him
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and did accept Him.
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And accepted the
sacrifice that He gave,
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that He made for you and for me.
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So, I would focus less on
what the Father was doing,
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because I don't think
the Father was far at all.
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That the Bible shows very clear
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that His Father would
never really leave Him
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or forsake Him.
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What these words
are more telling of
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is the experience
that Christ went through
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with the sin resting upon Him
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and understanding that sin
separate Him from His Father.
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John, it was
amazing about that whole--
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and the cross is just
so deep what happen there,
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the price that Jesus
paid, the willingness
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which is the trap
that Judas fell into
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because he had seen
on several occasions
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when there was an
attempt made to arrest Jesus
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that he got away.
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And he thought, he got
away so many different times,
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he'll get away this time
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and it will be a
financial benefit to me.
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But when the time came to show
how ignominious the cross is,
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and the weight of the
world, we will never know,
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we could not even
fathom what it really means
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to have the weight of the world,
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the sins of the
world laid upon us.
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As the Bible says,
"For God has laid upon him
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the iniquity of us all."
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But Jesus uttered the
words of humanity when He said,
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"O, My Father if it's
possible, Matthew 26:39,
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let this cup pass form me,
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nevertheless not as I
will but as you will."
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And so He saw that this
was an unavoidable situation.
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But the beauty of it is,
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that we have to
balance the sins of the world
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with the love of the
Father, this is huge.
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That's right.
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Because the sins of the world
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put Jesus in the
category of the second death,
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the love of the
Father for His Son
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put the God in the
category, I'll never leave Him,
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I'll never forsake Him.
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The assurance
that He will be there.
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He assurance
that He will be there.
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And without assurance,
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that's the only way
that we can face the trials
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and difficulties of our day
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knowing that the
promise that is made to us
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was the same
promise made to Christ.
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"I will never leave
you, nor forsake you."
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And that's why He
said to His disciples,
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"The Father in Me,
I in Him, We are One.
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As I'm wanting
the church to be."
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I want the unity
that the church has,
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to be the unity that
my Father and I have.
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And so, what a,
what a, what a cross.
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I love the way the
book Desire of Ages,
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the great book on the
life of Christ puts it.
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"In that thick darkness
God's presence was hidden.
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God and holy angels
were beside the cross.
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The Father was with His Son,
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yet His presence
was not revealed.
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In that dreadful hour,
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Christ was not to be comforted
with the Father's presence."
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But He was assured
of His Father's love
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from what His Father
had told Him beforehand.
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Okay.
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So the last part
is my prepared phrase
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for the rest of the paragraph,
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I read you quote
and then I prophase
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so, Christ was assured
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because of the way
things had been with His Father,
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even though He couldn't
see His Father at that time.
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And this is an example for us.
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We may be going through some
terrible trying circumstances.
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And we may not see God working,
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we may not see
hope or experience,
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deliverance at a
certain moment in time,
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but we can be
assured that God loves us
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that His presence is with
us, and He will get us through.
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That right.
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And that's the
assurance that we all have,
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it's so wonderful.
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I believe one of the reasons
why the clouds were so black
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and dark and ominous
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is because the
Father was so near,
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that His glorious presence
would have destroyed everybody
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on that
mountain had His presence
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and His glory been revealed.
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The clouds were a shield so
I can get as close to My Son
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as I possibly can.
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So the glory of the
Father could not be revealed.
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And you know, you
find the same thing
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the glory that was
revealed to the Israelites,
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as one side was the cloud,
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on the other side
was the consuming fire
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to the Egyptians.
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So God's presence is there
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to abide with us
and to protect us.
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Thank you, John,
that's wonderful.
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The cross is so, such a
theme that needs to be--
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we need to think on that.
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Give more attention to it.
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You give more attention to it,
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because when you think
about what was paid for you,
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and what was paid for us,
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and then it will
lead us to the place
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where we don't want to,
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we don't want to live
a life of transgression.
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I have a call, I
have an email from Andrea.
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And she has a question.
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''What does it mean
when the Bible said,
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that the law was
added because of sin.
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Can you summarize Galatians,
then also the word of exercise,
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food, Sabbath and holy days."
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Let's go to
Galatians 3:19, Galatians 3:19
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is where we find
that actual reference.
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What purpose then
does the law serve?
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Now this is
beautiful because it says,
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"It was added
because of transgressions,
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till the seed should come
to whom the promise was made,
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and it was
appointed through angels
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by the hand of a mediator."
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Okay, the law was added
because of transgression.
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Now what is transgression?
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Transgression is
the violation of a law.
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So what was added?
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The ceremonial law was added
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because the
moral law was violated.
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In the Garden of
Eden, and let's go before--
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before the first
sin was committed
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in the Garden of Eden.
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And particularly we
know that Eve was deceived,
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Adam went into transgression
with his eyes wide open.
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But when Abel, when
Cain killed his brother Abel.
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He can only be guilty of
murder if the law was in place.
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"Thou shall not kill."
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And then on the heels of that,
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the provision of a lamb
was clearly an indicator,
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that okay, now
because that law was broken,
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we've got to
institute law of sacrifices.
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Because the
wages of sin is death.
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And when the first lamb's life
was taken in the Garden of Eden
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or outside of
the Garden of Eden,
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it was the
prefiguring of the lamb of God
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in John 1:29.
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And so for thousands of
years, lambs were taken,
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their lives were
taken, their blood was shed
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as you see that so
clearly delineated.
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So what's happening
here is the ceremonial law,
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the law of ordinances,
the sacrifices of blood
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and bulls and goats and
calves and heifers and doves,
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that was added because
the law of the commandments
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were violated.
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But if you read
the rest of the verse,
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it was added until
the seed should come
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to whom the promise was made.
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So this
ceremonial law was gonna be--
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was the result of the
lambs, the goats, the doves,
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the heifers, they were all slain
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until the final slain.
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Yeah.
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"The Lamb of God that taketh
away the sin of the world."
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When John pointed to him,
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and that's why when Jesus
was crucified on the cross.
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When the seed came,
the promise Messiah,
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I will put enmity
between you and the woman
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between thy seed and her seed.
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Genesis 3:14,
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when that prophesy was
given in Genesis Chapter 3,
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Jesus finally became
the seed of the women,
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Jesus came, gave
His life on the cross.
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When He gave His
life on the cross,
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the temple curtain was
torn from top to bottom
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exposing the sacrificial system.
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And so, therefore
that lamb got away,
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because the Lamb,
Christ Jesus did not get away.
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And so when the,
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when the
tormentors of Christ said,
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"Save yourself, he
knew that as the lamb,
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He came into the world
for this particular moment."
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The lamb slain
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from the
foundation of the world.
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That first lamb slain was
a prefiguring of this slain,
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He knew that this was His hour.
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So that's primarily
what it means when it says
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the law was
added because of sin,
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the ceremonial law was added
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because the
moral law was violent.
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And then, there are
other pieces to that law too,
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we know that, the Decalogue,
so to speak the law of God,
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the moral law of
God, the various things,
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the Ten Commandments.
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Those are the
things that reveal sin,
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but the Law of Moses
has several things in it,
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and one of them is a curse.
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And in Daniel in
his prayer in Chapter 9
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also spoke of this,
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and the language
is very interesting,
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because the
language is very similar
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to that in Galatians.
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And it says in Daniel 9:11,
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well, let's start with verse 10.
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"We have not obeyed the
voice of the Lord our God,
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to walk in his laws,
which he set before us
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by his servants the prophets.
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Yes, all Israel has
transgressed Your law,
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and has departed so as
not to obey Your voice,
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therefore--"
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Notice what he says.
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"Therefore, the
curse and the oath
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written in the Law of Moses,
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the servant of God
has been poured out on us,
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because we sinned against Him."
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That right.
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So there are things in effect
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that comes with the Law of Moses
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that kick into effect
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when we
transgressed the law of God.
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One of them you spoke
off or Galatians speaks off
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a ceremonial law.
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But the other aspect here too
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is even the curses
within the Law of Moses
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are poured out upon us.
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And the curse they
were talking about there
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with the seven
years of captivity.
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And also the
curses that were found,
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that are found in
the couple of places
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Leviticus 26, you find
him also in Deuteronomy,
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I think Deuteronomy 28,
right around there 27, 28, 29.
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So anyway, those are the
places that it read the curses.
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So there are several things,
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the things that
the Law of Moses does,
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it engages and commits,
it becomes effective with,
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when we
transgressed the Law of God
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and this is what
Paul is talking about.
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And so this law that was added
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because of sin
was just symbolic.
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It was a symbol, when I
say symbolic in the sense,
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it was all prefiguring the
ceremonial was prefiguring,
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it was a symbol of the
Christ to come to give His life.
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Matter of fact,
Hebrews 9:9 says,
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"It was symbolic
for the present time
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in which both gifts
and sacrifices are offered
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which cannot make him
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who performed
the service perfect
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in regard to conscience."
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And this is where you
added the other question.
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Concerning only with
foods, drinks, various washings,
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fleshy ordnances imposed
until the time of reformation.
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So, these things were all added,
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the ceremonial law was
added until the reformation.
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And whose reformation?
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Christ's because it
bring this out in verse 12
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and verse 11 of Hebrews 9.
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"But Christ came as High Priest
of the good things to come,
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with the greater and
more perfect tabernacle
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not made with hands that
is not of this creation."
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In verse 12 of Hebrews 9,
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"Not with blood
of goats and calves,
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but with His
own blood He entered
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the Most Holy
Place once for all,
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having obtained
eternal redemption."
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I like when verse 13 says,
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"Blood of bulls and
goats and calves can't do it."
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And then verse 14,
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"How much more
shall the blood of Christ,
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who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without spot,
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purge our
conscience from dead works
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to serve the living God."
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So these ceremonies were
dead works, because okay,
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a lamb died and
another lamb die.
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Can you imagine how
many thousands of lambs died?
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How many thousands of
gallons of blood was shed
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and none of it could really save
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until Jesus shed His blood.
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You know, this is a
great segue into your topic,
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because we left off
last time with a law of God.
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Okay.
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And the law that was abolished
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or done away with
was the ceremonial law,
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the law that is the
part of this question
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that they are asking about.
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The one that was added
because of transgression,
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that is the one that was removed
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because of the blood of Christ.
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That's right.
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So we're gonna go
ahead and transition now.
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We want to spend more
time on our topic today,
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about the myths
of dispensationalism.
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If you have any
more Bible questions,
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you can send those
to housecalls@3abn.org.
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That's housecalls@3abn.org.
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And surely we will take pleasure
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and the Lord will
work in a wonderful way,
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that those questions can
be answered to His glory.
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Now, John, we did a
couple of foundations
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about the law.
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You know just
kind of reiterating
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in dispensationalism
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they thought that
the Old Testament Jews
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were saved by law.
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Prefect transition.
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But New Testament
Christians are saved by grace.
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Well, that doesn't really
stand up to great scrutiny
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because the Bible
makes it very clear
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that the grace of God
was available all the time.
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But go ahead and add
this, John, I want to,
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I want to bring out a
text in Thessalonians.
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We talked about the
law last time how the law,
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the
dispensational view of the law
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is that the Old Testament era
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is an era or
dispensation of law,
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the New Testament is
the dispensation of grace.
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And how the Bible shows
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that law and grace
exist in both, right?
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So, Abraham found
grace in the eyes of God
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as he was obedient to Him.
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And we find of course,
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obviously in Hebrews Chapter 11,
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a faith chapter, right.
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That clearly by
faith, by faith, by faith,
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by faith all of the patriarchs
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and matriarchs of
history of the Old Testament
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lived and acted out their life
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in accordance with
God and His principles.
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And so, when you see by
faith that is the response
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that the God's response to faith
00:19:52.49\00:19:53.82
is His grace
pointing out His grace.
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Clearly grace
existed in the Old Testament
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and throughout it.
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In fact the word
itself many times appearing.
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Matter of fact,
add to that grace,
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Titus 2:11 reads this way.
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"For the grace of
God that brings salvation
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has appeared to all men."
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So grace is not new.
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Noah found grace in God's sight.
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Noah found grace in
the eyes of the Lord.
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And then in Exodus Chapter
33, "I know you by name."
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The Lord said to Moses,
00:20:29.79\00:20:31.56
"And you have also
found grace in my sight."
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So Moses found
grace in God sight.
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Noah found grace.
So grace is not new.
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Grace has always
been the foundation,
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for by grace are
you saved through faith.
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And that not of yourselves
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it is the gift
of God not of works,
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lest any man should boast.
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So if you say that
under the dispensation
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that the Old Testament
was by law and by works,
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then they could boast.
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But it says lest
any men should boast.
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Right. All right.
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Let's go on and that kind of--
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That sums up law and grace.
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That's right, it sums
up law and grace, okay.
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We've gotten that far. Okay.
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Let me give you,
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I think we're having me
read the dispensational view.
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You read the other aspect of it,
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the biblical view.
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Sure. Let's
look at the covenant.
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So we're talking
about old covenant,
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new covenant.
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Here is the dispensational view.
00:21:30.59\00:21:31.92
There are two
concurrently running covenants.
00:21:31.95\00:21:35.72
This is the
dual covenant theory.
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One for the Jews and
the other for the church.
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Israel of old was
saved by keeping the law,
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Christians are saved
by receiving God's grace.
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So law and grace
have to them a key element
00:21:46.90\00:21:51.64
in their
understanding of the covenants.
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This dispensation
of law old, grace new.
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The other part of the covenants
00:21:55.91\00:21:57.25
they see is this
historical aspect
00:21:57.28\00:21:59.51
where as, the old
covenant is the Old Testament.
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The new covenant
is the New Testament.
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That is a huge
distortion of the covenants.
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And we find that the
Bible has a much different view.
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Right.
00:22:17.13\00:22:18.47
And now let me
read the biblical view
00:22:18.50\00:22:19.83
of the covenants.
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"God has made one
everlasting covenant
00:22:21.34\00:22:25.51
for the
salvation of all mankind,
00:22:25.54\00:22:28.08
biblically the
old and new covenants
00:22:28.11\00:22:31.41
are spoken off in
two contexts, historical,
00:22:31.45\00:22:35.15
before and after
Christ, and experiential,
00:22:35.18\00:22:38.42
converted and unconverted.
00:22:38.45\00:22:40.52
So the covenant
that the Lord made,
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let me just say
something about covenant.
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If the covenant was
made by us, it will change.
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But because the
covenant was made by God,
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it doesn't change.
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Right.
00:22:57.31\00:22:59.27
I want to go and
give you a chance
00:22:59.31\00:23:00.64
to expound on that
00:23:00.68\00:23:02.91
because I'm gonna
get the scripture--
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Yeah.
00:23:04.35\00:23:05.68
That talks about, "I
will not alter the things
00:23:05.71\00:23:08.25
that have gone out of my lips."
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Go ahead.
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Let me give the reason
for what John was saying there
00:23:11.02\00:23:12.89
in regard to the two
contexts of the covenants.
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Because if you look
in the New Testament,
00:23:17.03\00:23:18.36
it could be a little confusing
00:23:18.39\00:23:19.73
if you don't
understand the context
00:23:19.76\00:23:21.40
of what you're reading.
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Paul and the other apostles
speak in a couple of context.
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Number one,
sometimes they do speak
00:23:26.40\00:23:28.84
of the old and new covenant
00:23:28.87\00:23:31.14
in this context
of the old economy
00:23:31.17\00:23:34.64
of the Israel and the Jews,
00:23:34.68\00:23:37.45
and this new economy
under Christ and the church.
00:23:37.48\00:23:42.35
They do speak of that.
00:23:42.38\00:23:43.85
But for the majority,
the old and new covenant,
00:23:43.89\00:23:47.12
when Paul
especially talks about that,
00:23:47.16\00:23:49.69
he is talking about
experiential relationship
00:23:49.72\00:23:52.83
between God and His people.
00:23:52.86\00:23:54.90
So it is possible
under what Paul writes,
00:23:54.93\00:23:57.70
it's possible to live
in the Old Testament era,
00:23:57.73\00:24:01.90
and have a new
covenant experience,
00:24:01.94\00:24:05.51
which is by faith and
trusting in the grace of God.
00:24:05.54\00:24:09.14
And to live in
the new church era,
00:24:09.18\00:24:13.85
and have an old
covenant experience.
00:24:13.88\00:24:17.05
Which means, we do
everything to be safe
00:24:17.09\00:24:20.76
or keeping in order to be safe,
00:24:20.79\00:24:22.12
we're doing
things to appease God.
00:24:22.16\00:24:23.83
The relationship
isn't quite right.
00:24:23.86\00:24:25.83
Everything is
done out of the rigid,
00:24:25.86\00:24:27.83
kind of a
pharisaical approach to things.
00:24:27.86\00:24:30.40
So this is why you have to,
00:24:30.43\00:24:31.77
as you're
reading on the covenants
00:24:31.80\00:24:33.13
in the New Testament,
00:24:33.17\00:24:34.50
you've got to
think in the two aspects.
00:24:34.54\00:24:36.10
What aspect is this writer,
00:24:36.14\00:24:38.34
is the author of
this book in this chapter,
00:24:38.37\00:24:40.84
what is he writing about.
00:24:40.88\00:24:42.21
Is he writing
about the historical,
00:24:42.24\00:24:43.91
to the current,
00:24:43.95\00:24:45.28
or is he talking about most
commonly the experiential side,
00:24:45.31\00:24:49.38
the converted, unconverted
aspects of new covenant,
00:24:49.42\00:24:52.95
old covenant.
00:24:52.99\00:24:54.52
First of all to insert the text
00:24:54.56\00:24:55.96
I was talking
about Psalms 89:34,
00:24:55.99\00:24:58.96
"My covenant."
00:24:58.99\00:25:00.43
Now I mention
this and let me lead
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and let me precede
it with the statement.
00:25:03.16\00:25:05.17
If the covenant was
made by us we can break it,
00:25:05.20\00:25:08.70
or we could change
it, or we can alter it.
00:25:08.74\00:25:11.14
And that's how we are,
00:25:11.17\00:25:12.51
we change based
on circumstance--
00:25:12.54\00:25:15.18
God doesn't change, we change.
00:25:15.21\00:25:16.54
Right, but the
covenant was made by God to us.
00:25:16.58\00:25:20.82
He said this is what I
promise I'm going to do for you.
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And Psalms 89:34 says,
"My covenant I will not break,
00:25:24.15\00:25:29.26
nor alter the
words that the word
00:25:29.29\00:25:33.40
that has gone out of my lips."
00:25:33.43\00:25:35.90
I will not break my covenant.
00:25:35.93\00:25:37.67
So if he did not
break his covenant,
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who broke it?
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Isaiah 24, go
there with me, Isaiah 24.
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I have a three
Bibles in front of me,
00:25:45.41\00:25:47.44
because we like to
cross reference very quickly.
00:25:47.48\00:25:50.05
Isaiah 24.
00:25:50.08\00:25:52.15
And we'll see exactly
where the fault came in,
00:25:52.18\00:25:54.92
where the fault
came in, excuse that
00:25:54.95\00:25:57.25
hoopla of the English language
00:25:57.29\00:25:59.09
that I just slaughtered.
00:25:59.12\00:26:00.86
Okay.
00:26:00.89\00:26:02.22
Isaiah 24:5, John?
00:26:05.09\00:26:09.70
"The earth is also
defiled under its inhabitants,
00:26:09.73\00:26:12.57
because they have
transgressed the laws,
00:26:12.60\00:26:15.27
changed the ordinance,
00:26:15.30\00:26:16.77
broken the
everlasting covenant."
00:26:16.81\00:26:18.71
Who broke it? We
did it. People, yeah.
00:26:18.74\00:26:21.51
Humanity is the one
00:26:21.54\00:26:22.88
they transgressed the laws, one.
00:26:22.91\00:26:26.35
Changed the ordinance, two.
00:26:26.38\00:26:29.92
Broken the everlasting covenant.
00:26:29.95\00:26:33.76
Now I want to build
on that really quickly
00:26:33.79\00:26:35.32
because, according to
the dispensational view
00:26:35.36\00:26:37.89
and, John, read
that quickly under yours
00:26:37.93\00:26:40.26
of the dispensational
view of the covenants.
00:26:40.30\00:26:42.43
Just read that one more time.
00:26:42.46\00:26:43.80
There are two
concurrently running covenants
00:26:43.83\00:26:45.70
known as the
dual covenant theory.
00:26:45.73\00:26:47.84
One for the Jews and
the other for the church.
00:26:47.87\00:26:49.87
Okay. All right.
00:26:49.90\00:26:51.24
So now, so if
there is one for the Jews
00:26:51.27\00:26:53.34
and the other for the church,
00:26:53.38\00:26:54.71
then we could say
God is pluralistic.
00:26:54.74\00:26:58.61
Yes.
00:26:58.65\00:26:59.98
God has two different ways
of saving people, you are Jew,
00:27:00.02\00:27:02.68
okay, hold on, let
me get the blue stamp.
00:27:02.72\00:27:04.62
You're Gentile, let
me get the red stamp.
00:27:04.65\00:27:06.96
That is not who He is.
00:27:06.99\00:27:08.32
First of all,
we've read in Titus 2:11.
00:27:08.36\00:27:10.66
"For the grace of God
that bringeth salvation
00:27:10.69\00:27:12.46
has appeared to all men."
00:27:12.49\00:27:14.16
All have sinned and fall
short of the glory of God.
00:27:14.20\00:27:16.90
Romans 3:23, "All
of us have sinned."
00:27:16.93\00:27:21.30
But we've kind made the
salvation Jew and non Jew.
00:27:21.34\00:27:24.81
So this covenant that
was made, what has changed
00:27:24.84\00:27:28.61
because, let me read
00:27:28.64\00:27:31.01
and put this in
the proper context
00:27:31.05\00:27:32.38
about the covenants.
00:27:32.41\00:27:33.75
If you go to Hebrews 8.
00:27:33.78\00:27:35.12
Let's go to Hebrews 8
00:27:35.15\00:27:36.48
and look at some
of the covenants here.
00:27:36.52\00:27:38.22
Jesus, the covenant
was ratified by blood.
00:27:38.25\00:27:43.86
By what blood in
the Old Testament?
00:27:43.89\00:27:45.39
Now in the Old Testament,
00:27:45.43\00:27:47.33
there was no
blood shed by Christ,
00:27:47.36\00:27:50.13
but there was
blood shed by the lamb.
00:27:50.17\00:27:52.67
The covenant was
ratified by the blood,
00:27:52.70\00:27:56.00
where there is no
shedding of blood,
00:27:56.04\00:27:57.97
there is no remission of sin.
00:27:58.01\00:27:59.57
So for this covenant to
work, blood had to be shed.
00:27:59.61\00:28:02.61
Hebrews 11, I'm there now.
00:28:02.64\00:28:05.45
Hebrews 8, I said, right?
00:28:05.48\00:28:06.92
Eight.
00:28:06.95\00:28:08.28
Hebrews 8, and let's look at--
00:28:08.32\00:28:12.32
This in fact is
entitled the better covenant.
00:28:12.35\00:28:17.26
John, why don't we
just spend a few moments
00:28:17.29\00:28:20.20
on verse 4 to 6?
00:28:20.23\00:28:25.13
Go to verse 4 to 6. Okay.
00:28:25.17\00:28:28.60
"For if he, that is
Jesus, were on earth,
00:28:28.64\00:28:32.51
he would not be a
priest, since there are priests
00:28:32.54\00:28:34.58
who offer the gifts
according to the law.
00:28:34.61\00:28:37.41
Who serve the copy and
shadow of heavenly things,
00:28:37.45\00:28:40.02
as Moses was divinely instructed
00:28:40.05\00:28:41.65
when he was about
to make the tabernacle,
00:28:41.68\00:28:43.85
for he said, saith
he that make all things
00:28:43.89\00:28:46.32
according to the pattern
shown you on the mountain.
00:28:46.35\00:28:49.42
But now he has obtained
00:28:49.46\00:28:51.13
a more excellent
ministry in as much
00:28:51.16\00:28:53.83
as he is also a
mediator of a better covenant,
00:28:53.86\00:28:56.63
which was
established on better promises."
00:28:56.67\00:28:58.87
Okay, so now, see,
everlasting covenant,
00:28:58.90\00:29:01.87
better covenant,
somebody may say hold on,
00:29:01.90\00:29:03.61
"How can it be
everlasting if it's better?"
00:29:03.64\00:29:06.27
Well, what makes it
better is not that it changed,
00:29:06.31\00:29:12.45
but it's better.
00:29:12.48\00:29:13.82
Here's how it's better.
00:29:13.85\00:29:15.65
The blood of bulls
and goats and calves
00:29:15.68\00:29:17.72
was used to
ratify that covenant.
00:29:17.75\00:29:20.72
And when their blood was shed,
00:29:20.76\00:29:22.09
it was the symbolism of
the payment for our sin.
00:29:22.12\00:29:26.03
But now if the payment of sin
was under the blood of animals,
00:29:26.06\00:29:32.50
how much better were
the payments of sin be
00:29:32.53\00:29:35.64
under a sinless.
00:29:35.67\00:29:37.64
That's right. Lamb, Christ.
00:29:37.67\00:29:39.71
The very next verse
brings that out, verse 7.
00:29:39.74\00:29:43.04
"For if the first
covenant had been faultless,
00:29:43.08\00:29:46.58
then no place would had
been sought for a second."
00:29:46.61\00:29:50.39
Now what does that mean?
00:29:50.42\00:29:52.55
Lot of people think that,
00:29:52.62\00:29:53.96
okay now since
the first covenant
00:29:53.99\00:29:55.32
had to with law,
00:29:55.36\00:29:56.69
then the next
covenant had to do with grace.
00:29:56.73\00:29:58.76
Oh, so they say,
00:29:58.79\00:30:00.13
"Well, the fault of
the old covenant was law,
00:30:00.16\00:30:02.36
and the blessing of
the new covenant is grace.
00:30:02.40\00:30:05.90
Wrong. Wrong conclusion, yeah.
00:30:05.93\00:30:07.77
'Cause read verse 16, John.
00:30:07.80\00:30:10.07
This shows you clearly
that the both covenants--
00:30:10.11\00:30:12.47
Of which chapter? Of chapter 8.
00:30:12.51\00:30:16.48
Verse 16 of Hebrews--
00:30:16.51\00:30:18.08
Sorry, verse 10.
Okay. There is no page 16.
00:30:18.11\00:30:21.42
My contacts went
little cloudy there.
00:30:21.45\00:30:23.15
"For this is the covenant
00:30:23.18\00:30:24.55
that I will make
with the house of Israel
00:30:24.59\00:30:25.95
after those days, says the Lord.
00:30:25.99\00:30:27.39
I will put my
laws in their mind,
00:30:27.42\00:30:29.42
and write them on their
hearts, and I will be their God,
00:30:29.46\00:30:32.59
and they shall be my people.
00:30:32.63\00:30:34.66
None of them
shall teaches neighbor
00:30:34.70\00:30:36.03
and none his
brothers saying no the Lord,
00:30:36.06\00:30:37.77
for all shown no me,
00:30:37.80\00:30:39.27
from the least of them
to the greatest of them.
00:30:39.30\00:30:41.64
For I'll be merciful
to their unrighteousness
00:30:41.67\00:30:43.44
and their sins and lawless deeds
00:30:43.47\00:30:44.91
I will remember no more."
00:30:44.94\00:30:47.01
This idea that salvation
is now in a different basis
00:30:47.04\00:30:49.31
is not the issue
of the covenants.
00:30:49.34\00:30:51.38
The beauty of
the covenants is now,
00:30:51.41\00:30:53.11
hey, if you think
that blood was really good,
00:30:53.15\00:30:55.82
my blood is sinless.
00:30:55.85\00:30:57.19
My blood is perfect.
00:30:57.22\00:30:58.55
And that's why I
earlier read in Hebrews 9,
00:30:58.59\00:31:01.32
when it says "For
if the blood of bulls
00:31:01.36\00:31:02.86
and goats and cows and heifers
and sprinkling sanctifies
00:31:02.89\00:31:05.96
to the purifying of the flesh,
00:31:05.99\00:31:07.36
how much more will
the blood of Christ."
00:31:07.40\00:31:09.96
So Christ, He is the
mediator, Hebrews 9:15.
00:31:10.00\00:31:14.14
For this reason,
00:31:14.17\00:31:15.50
He is the
mediator of a new covenant.
00:31:15.54\00:31:19.01
And therefore, what
does that new covenant do?
00:31:19.04\00:31:22.48
What's the same in both?
00:31:22.51\00:31:24.08
Salvation,
salvation, it hasn't changed.
00:31:24.11\00:31:27.42
Salvation,
salvation. Lamb, lamb.
00:31:27.45\00:31:31.52
Grace, grace. Blood, blood.
00:31:31.55\00:31:33.92
Law, law. Law, law.
00:31:33.96\00:31:35.72
It's all there. Everything.
00:31:35.76\00:31:37.19
The other big piece of this two,
00:31:37.23\00:31:39.13
we're reading about the blood.
00:31:39.16\00:31:40.50
Right. That's right.
But you said mediator?
00:31:40.53\00:31:42.36
The thing that
makes this covenant better
00:31:42.40\00:31:44.27
is the mediation
00:31:44.30\00:31:46.23
that it's brought forward
by the mediator Jesus Christ.
00:31:46.27\00:31:49.74
Before it was
Aaron, it was his sons.
00:31:49.77\00:31:51.91
It was the high priesthood--
00:31:51.94\00:31:53.27
Okay, keep going.
00:31:53.31\00:31:54.64
That was the
mediator by man himself,
00:31:54.68\00:31:56.24
who is a
prefigure of the Christ,
00:31:56.28\00:31:58.55
the Messiah who would
become the high priest
00:31:58.58\00:32:00.68
of the heavenly sanctuary.
00:32:00.72\00:32:02.55
And so that what makes it better
00:32:02.58\00:32:03.92
is now it's Jesus mediating
00:32:03.95\00:32:06.35
with His blood in
the heavenly sanctuary,
00:32:06.39\00:32:09.82
something and
listen to these words.
00:32:09.86\00:32:11.59
Something the very
initial part of the covenant,
00:32:11.63\00:32:15.06
the first phase of
the covenant spoke to.
00:32:15.10\00:32:18.27
It was pointing
all along to Jesus,
00:32:18.30\00:32:20.94
who would come.
00:32:20.97\00:32:22.30
The Messiah who would
come, who would shed His blood,
00:32:22.34\00:32:24.37
and then become the
high priest immediate
00:32:24.41\00:32:26.44
on behalf of all
mankind His blood.
00:32:26.47\00:32:28.71
So the thing that made it better
00:32:28.74\00:32:30.28
was because it
has been fulfilled.
00:32:30.31\00:32:33.42
Even Jesus says in
Matthew 5:8, 5:17-18,
00:32:33.45\00:32:36.32
"I have come not to
destroy but to fulfill."
00:32:36.35\00:32:38.79
That's right.
00:32:38.82\00:32:40.16
So sometimes we say, "Well, okay
00:32:40.19\00:32:41.52
well, he did away
with the ceremonial law."
00:32:41.56\00:32:44.69
I think probably the more
accurate rendition of that
00:32:44.73\00:32:46.76
is He fulfilled it.
00:32:46.80\00:32:48.36
Thank you, that's exactly--
00:32:48.40\00:32:49.73
He fulfilled the ceremonial law,
00:32:49.76\00:32:51.37
because He came as the lamb,
00:32:51.40\00:32:53.90
there is no need for a
sacrificial literal lamb.
00:32:53.94\00:32:58.04
He is the Lamb of God,
He's given up His life,
00:32:58.07\00:33:00.28
and that's what the author
of Hebrews is saying is that,
00:33:00.31\00:33:03.28
"It's not of
bulls and goats anymore,
00:33:03.31\00:33:04.65
it's the blood of Jesus.
00:33:04.68\00:33:06.01
And so when the
Bible says if it had been,
00:33:06.05\00:33:08.05
if it had not been faultless,
00:33:08.08\00:33:10.35
why would there be
the need for another one.
00:33:10.39\00:33:12.45
Here's where the fault came in.
00:33:12.49\00:33:15.89
The faultiness of the priest,
00:33:15.92\00:33:18.36
he had to make a
sacrifice for himself
00:33:18.39\00:33:20.46
before he went to
the most holy place.
00:33:20.50\00:33:21.83
He was sinful. He was sinful.
00:33:21.86\00:33:23.20
That's where the faultiness,
the human flesh as a priest.
00:33:23.23\00:33:26.33
Now you get a sinless
divine one as our priest.
00:33:26.37\00:33:30.04
There is the faulty
one, the humanity of it.
00:33:30.07\00:33:32.74
Okay, what else
is faulty? The goat.
00:33:32.77\00:33:35.68
This kid walking
around the ground,
00:33:35.71\00:33:38.58
never seen heaven,
never been perfected.
00:33:38.61\00:33:40.92
That's the faultiness
in the blood of the goat.
00:33:40.95\00:33:43.02
So by faith you
had to accept that,
00:33:43.05\00:33:45.02
okay, this is a prefiguring
of the faultless lamb.
00:33:45.05\00:33:47.96
That's why, Peter says, we have
not been redeemed with gold,
00:33:47.99\00:33:51.29
nor silver, but
with the precious blood
00:33:51.33\00:33:55.80
as of a spotless lamb.
00:33:55.83\00:33:58.23
That's right. You see.
00:33:58.27\00:33:59.60
So the fault is in
the human aspects of it.
00:33:59.63\00:34:01.30
The fault is in the
earthly elements of it.
00:34:01.34\00:34:03.51
The fault is in the
fact that this priest,
00:34:03.54\00:34:05.27
if he did not
perform a sacrifice
00:34:05.31\00:34:06.91
before he went to
the most holy place,
00:34:06.94\00:34:08.74
and, John, you know,
00:34:08.78\00:34:10.11
they tied a rope around his foot
00:34:10.15\00:34:12.38
because if he didn't--
00:34:12.41\00:34:13.75
Pulling out if he dropped dead.
00:34:13.78\00:34:15.12
And he had bells around
the bottom of his garment.
00:34:15.15\00:34:17.99
If they didn't hear the
bells, they thought, oh--
00:34:18.02\00:34:22.96
He had some unforgiving sin.
He has some unforgiving sins.
00:34:22.99\00:34:26.23
When they try to
work for our, he is dead.
00:34:26.26\00:34:29.36
And they couldn't even
go on there, they had to--
00:34:29.40\00:34:31.07
You know, the
interesting thing is,
00:34:31.10\00:34:32.43
there is no story
of that happening.
00:34:32.47\00:34:34.74
There is no story of
that happening actually.
00:34:34.77\00:34:36.10
Right, but that was...
00:34:36.14\00:34:37.47
There is only a story of what
they had prepared to happen.
00:34:37.51\00:34:40.48
But there is no story
of that actually happening.
00:34:40.51\00:34:41.84
Praise God for that.
Praise the Lord in His mercy.
00:34:41.88\00:34:44.18
Those priests took it seriously.
00:34:44.21\00:34:45.55
Yeah, now I will say this.
00:34:45.58\00:34:46.92
This is the problem
with the dispensation theory
00:34:46.95\00:34:50.62
that it confuses
everything the Bible talks about
00:34:50.65\00:34:53.05
in the Book of Hebrews.
00:34:53.09\00:34:54.62
It confuses
everything when the Hebrew,
00:34:54.66\00:34:57.69
the writers in the New Testament
00:34:57.73\00:34:59.06
talk about law.
00:34:59.09\00:35:00.63
Because if you
don't understand what law,
00:35:00.66\00:35:02.56
what aspect of the law
that's been done away with
00:35:02.60\00:35:04.83
or fulfilled.
00:35:04.87\00:35:06.47
When you don't
understand all this language
00:35:06.50\00:35:09.24
about the high priest
and the heavenly sanctuary.
00:35:09.27\00:35:11.97
The everlasting
covenant that is one covenant,
00:35:12.01\00:35:14.18
but phases of that
covenant before Christ,
00:35:14.21\00:35:16.81
then from Christ and afterward.
00:35:16.85\00:35:18.68
If you don't
understand in that aspect,
00:35:18.71\00:35:20.35
you are going to miss
the power of the gospel.
00:35:20.38\00:35:23.72
Right.
00:35:23.75\00:35:25.09
And the dispensational theory
00:35:25.12\00:35:26.45
as all these things in it
to try and plug the holes,
00:35:26.49\00:35:30.86
you know, like a boat
that's got a thousand,
00:35:30.89\00:35:32.73
you're trying to plug the hole,
you don't have enough plugs,
00:35:32.76\00:35:35.13
it just false flat.
00:35:35.16\00:35:37.33
And they're trying hard,
00:35:37.37\00:35:39.03
but the only way to resolve
this issue is Sola scriptura,
00:35:39.07\00:35:43.57
or the Bible
and the Bible alone.
00:35:43.61\00:35:44.97
It make sense from old
to new, it's in harmony.
00:35:45.01\00:35:47.81
It works together.
00:35:47.84\00:35:49.28
Don't ever accept that you're
a New Testament Christian.
00:35:49.31\00:35:52.21
You're a Bible Christian.
00:35:52.25\00:35:54.15
And they both work hand in hand,
00:35:54.18\00:35:56.35
one in symbols
portraying what will come,
00:35:56.38\00:36:00.69
the other in
reality, in actuality Christ,
00:36:00.72\00:36:03.83
showing what has
been portrait or disclosed
00:36:03.86\00:36:07.26
or it's disclosing
what has been from old.
00:36:07.30\00:36:10.07
And so, you know, what
I like about this, John,
00:36:10.10\00:36:12.77
this whole idea the
mediator, that was huge,
00:36:12.80\00:36:14.80
that was just powerful.
00:36:14.84\00:36:16.60
The high priest was
this symbolic mediator,
00:36:16.64\00:36:20.78
then at time Moses,
00:36:20.81\00:36:22.88
he mediated for the
children of Israel, faulty.
00:36:22.91\00:36:26.45
Whenever that high priest died,
00:36:26.48\00:36:28.42
there had to be
another high priest.
00:36:28.45\00:36:30.32
And another high
priest, and another high priest,
00:36:30.35\00:36:33.05
and another high priest.
00:36:33.09\00:36:34.42
That's why when the New
Testament writer Timothy
00:36:34.46\00:36:36.99
records these words
as Paul communicated them
00:36:37.03\00:36:39.79
to this his protege, we read
these words in 1 Timothy 2:5,
00:36:39.83\00:36:43.97
"For there is one God,
didn't have to be replaced
00:36:44.00\00:36:47.20
and one mediator, between God
and man, the man Christ Jesus."
00:36:47.24\00:36:51.47
Didn't need, Jesus will
never have to be replaced.
00:36:51.51\00:36:54.48
The fault of the old
covenant was not what it meant.
00:36:54.51\00:36:57.95
But what whose that
represented what it meant.
00:36:57.98\00:37:02.22
The humanity, faulty,
sinner need help himself.
00:37:02.25\00:37:07.36
Even the bulls and goats
offered were tainted by sin.
00:37:07.39\00:37:10.53
Right.
00:37:10.56\00:37:11.89
It says everything is
faulty in the old system.
00:37:11.93\00:37:13.40
And so, that's why when
it says Jesus is a mediator
00:37:13.43\00:37:16.73
of a new
covenant, a better covenant.
00:37:16.77\00:37:21.20
It means the materials
00:37:21.24\00:37:22.94
that are now holding
this covenant together
00:37:22.97\00:37:25.14
are perfect
faultless sinless and eternal.
00:37:25.17\00:37:28.81
So bring it back to kind of end
00:37:28.84\00:37:30.18
'cause we need to
move into the next one,
00:37:30.21\00:37:31.55
but so one of the
things we were saying
00:37:31.58\00:37:33.82
was that there are two
aspects to new and old covenant,
00:37:33.85\00:37:35.85
there is historical
and there is experiential.
00:37:35.88\00:37:37.95
The historical would be,
00:37:37.99\00:37:39.59
there isn't an element
of the old which was faulty
00:37:39.62\00:37:42.59
and in the new phase
under Christ which is perfect.
00:37:42.62\00:37:45.09
That's, that's the historical
understanding of the covenants.
00:37:45.13\00:37:48.33
But then the
new and old covenant
00:37:48.36\00:37:49.70
also is experiential.
00:37:49.73\00:37:51.13
That's right.
00:37:51.17\00:37:52.50
Believing in the Christ Jesus
who would come as my sin bearer
00:37:52.53\00:37:57.11
and save me by His grace
00:37:57.14\00:37:59.81
and make me a obedient
son or daughter of God,
00:37:59.84\00:38:03.65
that is the new
covenant experience.
00:38:03.68\00:38:06.28
And those in the Old Testament,
00:38:06.31\00:38:07.88
if they looked
upon on that lamb,
00:38:07.92\00:38:09.42
in that regard they were
experiencing the new covenant.
00:38:09.45\00:38:11.72
That's right.
00:38:11.75\00:38:13.09
And then if those
that just keep the law,
00:38:13.12\00:38:14.86
keep the law to be saved,
00:38:14.89\00:38:16.39
there were those
in the Old Testament
00:38:16.42\00:38:17.76
that did that,
00:38:17.79\00:38:19.13
there were those in
the New Testament do that,
00:38:19.16\00:38:20.50
there are those
who still do that,
00:38:20.53\00:38:21.86
they're under the old covenant
in an experiential sense.
00:38:21.90\00:38:25.00
So we don't want to confuse you,
00:38:25.03\00:38:26.37
but you have to understand
what you're talking about
00:38:26.40\00:38:27.90
what the Bible speaking of
00:38:27.94\00:38:29.27
when you go through
that topic of the covenants.
00:38:29.30\00:38:32.21
Anyway we need to
move on to the next one.
00:38:32.24\00:38:34.04
Okay, even when you said, look,
00:38:34.08\00:38:35.64
you know when the
throat of a lamb was slit,
00:38:35.68\00:38:38.75
the person who did that
had to keep his eyes connected
00:38:38.78\00:38:41.92
to the eyes of the lamb as
the lamb continues blinking
00:38:41.95\00:38:46.72
until all the life had
drained out of that lamb.
00:38:46.76\00:38:49.76
And the lamp felt
dead, that's why Jesus said
00:38:49.79\00:38:52.89
and that the
language in the Bible
00:38:52.93\00:38:54.63
is so sanctuary based.
00:38:54.66\00:38:57.27
That's why he says,
look to me and be saved,
00:38:57.30\00:39:00.04
for I'm God and
there is no other.
00:39:00.07\00:39:02.74
I'm God and
there is none like me
00:39:02.77\00:39:04.57
and so this, the
whole beauty of it.
00:39:04.61\00:39:06.04
Let me just tell you
the reason why, John,
00:39:06.07\00:39:07.41
this is something that I think
00:39:07.44\00:39:08.78
we want to make sure
to cap off the session
00:39:08.81\00:39:10.15
about the covenant.
00:39:10.18\00:39:11.51
The reason why
many evangelical say
00:39:11.55\00:39:13.11
there is a new covenant now,
00:39:13.15\00:39:14.48
we don't have to
live by the old covenant.
00:39:14.52\00:39:15.98
First of all
they like to disavow
00:39:16.02\00:39:18.65
many of the Old
Testament principles
00:39:18.69\00:39:20.19
that are very
important, and secondly,
00:39:20.22\00:39:22.76
they try to teach that
00:39:22.79\00:39:24.13
the old covenant
was connected to law,
00:39:24.16\00:39:26.03
the new covenant once
again connect to the grace,
00:39:26.06\00:39:28.93
how amazing it is
and how providential
00:39:28.96\00:39:31.10
that we address law and
grace and then covenants.
00:39:31.13\00:39:33.74
Yes.
00:39:33.77\00:39:35.10
Because the old
covenant and the new covenant
00:39:35.14\00:39:37.41
is law and grace.
00:39:37.44\00:39:39.27
Here it is finally
the text, Hebrews 10:16
00:39:39.31\00:39:41.94
speaking now of the Christian
to broader perspective.
00:39:41.98\00:39:45.51
First one Hebrews 8:10
00:39:45.55\00:39:47.68
was the covenant with
Israel after those days.
00:39:47.72\00:39:50.25
Now this is the covenant
that God makes with all of us.
00:39:50.29\00:39:52.65
Hebrews 10:16,
"This is the covenant
00:39:52.69\00:39:55.02
that I will make with
them after those days,
00:39:55.06\00:39:58.39
says the Lord,
I will put my laws
00:39:58.43\00:40:00.20
into their hearts
and in their minds
00:40:00.23\00:40:02.20
I will write them."
00:40:02.23\00:40:03.57
Now this is the
covenant he makes with us,
00:40:03.60\00:40:04.93
the first one he said.
00:40:04.97\00:40:06.30
"This is the covenant
I will make with Israel
00:40:06.33\00:40:08.44
then now this is
covenant I will make with you."
00:40:08.47\00:40:11.27
So the same
covenant He made with Israel
00:40:11.31\00:40:13.07
is the same
covenant He makes with us.
00:40:13.11\00:40:15.44
The law of God is in
our minds and in our hearts,
00:40:15.48\00:40:17.85
you can't get away from it.
00:40:17.88\00:40:19.51
So there's no, so there's no,
00:40:19.55\00:40:20.88
I didn't read the
law, I don't know.
00:40:20.92\00:40:22.25
Even Paul said,
00:40:22.28\00:40:23.62
"All those in
Israel are not of Israel."
00:40:23.65\00:40:24.99
Thank you, that's right.
00:40:25.02\00:40:26.35
He says, in
Hebrews Chapter, in--
00:40:26.39\00:40:27.72
Romans 9 he said.
00:40:27.76\00:40:29.09
Romans 9, talks about
00:40:29.12\00:40:30.46
how the laws that are
of Israel now are by faith.
00:40:30.49\00:40:31.83
That's right.
00:40:31.86\00:40:33.19
If you're Christ if you--
00:40:33.23\00:40:34.56
I think it's Galatians
3:19, not Galatians 3:19.
00:40:34.60\00:40:39.97
But he says, "If
you are Abraham seed,
00:40:40.00\00:40:42.84
then you are heir
according to the promise."
00:40:42.87\00:40:44.67
Let's go to the
next one. All right.
00:40:44.71\00:40:46.17
So, wow!
00:40:46.21\00:40:47.91
Okay, so the next
one is the rapture.
00:40:47.94\00:40:49.51
And we're gonna
talk about the rapture
00:40:49.54\00:40:50.88
and the second coming,
00:40:50.91\00:40:52.25
kind of in the same
concurring topic here,
00:40:52.28\00:40:54.48
both topics.
00:40:54.52\00:40:55.85
But it says, on to
the dispensational view,
00:40:55.88\00:40:58.85
"The rapture is a secret event
00:40:58.89\00:41:00.62
prior to seven
years of tribulation,
00:41:00.66\00:41:03.19
Jesus snatches believers
both alive and resurrected
00:41:03.22\00:41:06.06
from the church era
and brings them to heaven."
00:41:06.09\00:41:09.50
So He takes them away secretly,
00:41:09.53\00:41:11.77
and this is what
most are Christians,
00:41:11.80\00:41:15.64
in Christendom
are waiting for today
00:41:15.67\00:41:17.14
is the secret rapture.
00:41:17.17\00:41:19.41
All right, go ahead, John.
00:41:19.44\00:41:20.78
And the rapture of God's people
00:41:20.81\00:41:22.38
described by Paul
as been caught up,
00:41:22.41\00:41:25.21
this occurs at
the second coming.
00:41:25.25\00:41:27.38
Let's start with the word
00:41:27.42\00:41:28.88
that connects
them both together--
00:41:28.92\00:41:30.25
And that's the biblical
view. That's the scripture view.
00:41:30.29\00:41:32.45
So, the word rapture
are caught up is biblical.
00:41:32.49\00:41:34.92
Right.
00:41:34.96\00:41:36.29
But it occurs at
the second coming
00:41:36.32\00:41:37.66
and it's a visible,
audible, powerful...
00:41:37.69\00:41:41.93
Earth shaking.
00:41:41.96\00:41:43.70
Earth shaking,
life changing event.
00:41:43.73\00:41:45.97
Yeah, matter of fact
that I talked about that
00:41:46.00\00:41:47.74
in one of my
programs on A Sharper Focus,
00:41:47.77\00:41:50.07
I did a whole thing
on the second coming
00:41:50.11\00:41:51.94
and the rapture.
00:41:51.97\00:41:53.31
And one of these and
the rapture by the way,
00:41:53.34\00:41:54.71
the secret rapture
00:41:54.74\00:41:56.38
is the theory of
spiritual Babylon.
00:41:56.41\00:41:58.78
It's not in God's
word, not supporting.
00:41:58.81\00:42:00.35
And it's another
dispensational view.
00:42:00.38\00:42:02.12
And by the way one of
the reasons why we say,
00:42:02.15\00:42:04.09
second coming
rather than rapture
00:42:04.12\00:42:05.89
is because, second
coming does not even allude
00:42:05.92\00:42:09.66
to what the rapture,
the word rapture alludes to.
00:42:09.69\00:42:13.16
You know, when we say rapture,
00:42:13.19\00:42:16.46
it alludes to this
whole theory behind it.
00:42:16.50\00:42:19.23
People being snatched away,
airplanes flying of course,
00:42:19.27\00:42:21.80
because the pilots gone,
00:42:21.84\00:42:23.44
cars crashing into building
because the driver is gone.
00:42:23.47\00:42:26.54
Mama just disappeared
from the breakfast table
00:42:26.57\00:42:28.28
because she got
taken away secretly,
00:42:28.31\00:42:30.18
that's what the word
rapture tends to denote.
00:42:30.21\00:42:32.48
So we don't even
use the word rapture
00:42:32.51\00:42:34.48
when we describe the
second coming of Christ
00:42:34.52\00:42:36.02
because rapture while
in its actual Greek meaning
00:42:36.05\00:42:41.02
means caught away by a
power other than your own,
00:42:41.06\00:42:44.46
we're not gonna be the ones
that are jumping high enough
00:42:44.49\00:42:46.39
to make it to heaven.
00:42:46.43\00:42:47.76
We're gonna be caught
away by God drawing us.
00:42:47.80\00:42:50.10
And we gonna ascend with
the, those who are resurrected
00:42:50.13\00:42:53.47
and those who are alive
gonna be caught up together
00:42:53.50\00:42:55.30
to meet the Lord in the air.
00:42:55.34\00:42:56.71
So let's go ahead
and give a scripture
00:42:56.74\00:42:58.07
that goes ahead,
00:42:58.11\00:42:59.47
I think 1
Thessalonians 4: 16, 17,
00:42:59.51\00:43:02.31
let's just hit that one.
00:43:02.34\00:43:03.75
And read that one because
this singular scripture alone
00:43:03.78\00:43:09.32
is the one that is
often used by rapturous,
00:43:09.35\00:43:12.85
secret rapturous to say,
00:43:12.89\00:43:14.82
'Hey, see this,
this is snatching away.'
00:43:14.86\00:43:16.79
But when you read it,
and John's gonna read it.
00:43:16.83\00:43:18.36
When you read it,
00:43:18.39\00:43:19.73
you're gonna see is
anything but secret,
00:43:19.76\00:43:21.10
every one of the components
of it makes it an audible,
00:43:21.13\00:43:24.27
earth shattering,
00:43:24.30\00:43:25.63
life changing for
the living and the dead,
00:43:25.67\00:43:27.70
and every grave is gonna
be open around the world.
00:43:27.74\00:43:30.64
It's gonna affect
the entire country.
00:43:30.67\00:43:32.01
You go there, and I'm
gonna read really quickly
00:43:32.04\00:43:34.48
as I lead into
that John 14: 1, 3.
00:43:34.51\00:43:36.85
Hey, wonderful.
00:43:36.88\00:43:38.21
Okay, 'cause we're
covering both topics
00:43:38.25\00:43:39.58
at the same time, right?
00:43:39.61\00:43:40.95
Wonderful. Okay,
let's go to Hebrews.
00:43:40.98\00:43:42.32
I mean 1 Thessalonians 4.
You go to 1 Thessalonians 4.
00:43:42.35\00:43:44.09
Here's what John 14:1 to 3 says,
00:43:44.12\00:43:46.45
and this is probably one
of the greatest prophecies,
00:43:46.49\00:43:49.09
it's not spoken of
his prophecy sometimes.
00:43:49.12\00:43:51.23
Right. Right. This is
the prophecy of Christ.
00:43:51.26\00:43:53.96
So he says to his
disciples and to all of us,
00:43:54.00\00:43:56.80
"Let not your heart be troubled:
00:43:56.83\00:43:59.27
you believe in
God, believe also in me.
00:43:59.30\00:44:01.24
In my Father's
house are many mansions:
00:44:01.27\00:44:02.90
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
00:44:02.94\00:44:05.87
I go to prepare
a place for you."
00:44:05.91\00:44:07.98
Remember Christ
ascended. That's' right.
00:44:08.01\00:44:09.81
After 40 days
after the resurrection,
00:44:09.84\00:44:12.28
He ascended in invisible form,
00:44:12.31\00:44:14.32
angles pointing the
fact that this same Jesus
00:44:14.35\00:44:16.62
who is caught up to you
now will come in likes manner,
00:44:16.65\00:44:18.95
He'll come back in the same way.
00:44:18.99\00:44:20.32
This is what Jesus
is talking about here,
00:44:20.36\00:44:21.92
He says, "If I go and
prepare a place for you,
00:44:21.96\00:44:24.63
I will come again."
00:44:24.66\00:44:26.33
That's the second
coming there. That's' right.
00:44:26.36\00:44:28.20
"I will come again
and receive you to myself,
00:44:28.23\00:44:31.57
that where I am,
that's in heaven,
00:44:31.60\00:44:34.47
there you may be also.
00:44:34.50\00:44:35.94
So I'm gonna
bring you from earth,
00:44:35.97\00:44:38.57
I'm coming back to get you,
00:44:38.61\00:44:39.94
I'm gonna bring you
from here to be where I am.
00:44:39.97\00:44:42.58
And where I go you
know, and the way you know."
00:44:42.61\00:44:47.65
By the way leading
up to this statement,
00:44:47.68\00:44:50.69
the disciples were
saying, ''Where you going?"
00:44:50.72\00:44:52.72
Okay. ''We want to go with you.
00:44:52.75\00:44:55.92
Where are you going?"
00:44:55.96\00:44:57.29
So the context here is not
00:44:57.33\00:44:59.03
that Jesus is coming
back to be on the earth.
00:44:59.06\00:45:01.16
The context is Jesus
is going up to heaven
00:45:01.20\00:45:03.26
and they wanted to go with Him.
00:45:03.30\00:45:05.50
And so He says,
"I'm gonna come back.
00:45:05.53\00:45:07.74
I'm going to get you
00:45:07.77\00:45:09.10
and I'm going to bring
you to heaven with me."
00:45:09.14\00:45:11.34
That's the direction,
00:45:11.37\00:45:12.71
that's the context
of John 14:1 through 3.
00:45:12.74\00:45:17.68
And so now, in that context
00:45:17.71\00:45:19.48
let's look at 1 Thessalonians 4.
00:45:19.51\00:45:21.22
I got to add something there
00:45:21.25\00:45:22.58
because when you just said that.
00:45:22.62\00:45:23.95
You know, friends,
that's such a powerful text
00:45:23.99\00:45:25.49
because the reason why He
is coming back to receive us
00:45:25.52\00:45:27.92
is because we
can't go to meet him.
00:45:27.96\00:45:29.66
Right. He is
coming back to get us.
00:45:29.69\00:45:31.56
The rapture teaches
we're going to meet Him.
00:45:31.59\00:45:34.50
The Bible teaches
He is coming to get us.
00:45:34.53\00:45:36.06
That's right. See.
00:45:36.10\00:45:37.43
And then the
rapture is also another fall
00:45:37.47\00:45:39.63
that we're gonna go on
to this in the millennium,
00:45:39.67\00:45:41.37
the rapturous, here is
the fall of the rapturous.
00:45:41.40\00:45:44.14
The rapture is teaching
an earthly millennial reign.
00:45:44.17\00:45:47.18
Why would He
have to come to get us
00:45:47.21\00:45:48.74
and then hang
out on earth with us?
00:45:48.78\00:45:50.25
Now this is a crazy,
just think about this.
00:45:50.28\00:45:52.65
Why would He have to
come and get us secretly,
00:45:52.68\00:45:55.25
then come back again and
get those who weren't ready
00:45:55.28\00:45:58.32
only to stay down here with us.
00:45:58.35\00:46:00.72
You are establishing
the point I made earlier,
00:46:00.76\00:46:02.99
it's the filling of
the holes of the bucket.
00:46:03.02\00:46:05.29
The first problem
00:46:05.33\00:46:07.73
was that this millennial
reign was going to recur.
00:46:07.76\00:46:10.37
Well, after you establish that,
you read the text like this.
00:46:10.40\00:46:14.00
And text like 1 Thessalonians,
00:46:14.04\00:46:15.37
you have to come
up with some doctrine
00:46:15.40\00:46:17.27
that puts Christ
here for a thousand years.
00:46:17.31\00:46:19.61
So in order to put him here
for a thousand years visibly,
00:46:19.64\00:46:22.18
you've got to have a rapture
to get them up there first.
00:46:22.21\00:46:24.88
Right.
00:46:24.91\00:46:26.25
For how long,
three and a half years?
00:46:26.28\00:46:27.92
Seven years they say,
but, but these theories
00:46:27.95\00:46:31.55
they keep adding
stuff to fill the holes.
00:46:31.59\00:46:33.86
If they would
just read the Bible,
00:46:33.89\00:46:35.52
and let it do it, it
will speak for itself.
00:46:35.56\00:46:37.53
It wouldn't seem discombobulated
00:46:37.56\00:46:39.66
and out of whack
which in fact it does,
00:46:39.69\00:46:42.13
think about this.
00:46:42.16\00:46:43.63
He comes and snatches them
away according to the rapture.
00:46:43.67\00:46:47.47
He comes and snatches them away.
00:46:47.50\00:46:49.47
They're gone for seven
years. Where they're gone?
00:46:49.50\00:46:51.94
Supposedly to heaven.
00:46:51.97\00:46:55.88
And then at the
end of the seven years,
00:46:55.91\00:46:57.25
He comes back to get the others
and where does He take them?
00:46:57.28\00:47:01.52
Nowhere, because at that point
00:47:01.55\00:47:03.82
He's supposed to start
His earthly millennial reign
00:47:03.85\00:47:05.85
so why is He coming back?
00:47:05.89\00:47:07.22
You see the mess up.
00:47:07.26\00:47:08.59
Yeah, and even the--
I'm coming back to get you--
00:47:08.62\00:47:09.96
And that confuses
the resurrection too.
00:47:09.99\00:47:11.33
Right, I come back to get those
00:47:11.36\00:47:12.69
that weren't
ready the first time.
00:47:12.73\00:47:14.96
I'm sorry, but
you can't go this time
00:47:15.00\00:47:16.67
because I've got to start
my millennial earthly reign.
00:47:16.70\00:47:19.10
Right. It's whacky.
00:47:19.13\00:47:21.34
I mean I want to use a more
intelligent word than whacky.
00:47:21.37\00:47:23.41
And we're not trying to
say that with disrespect,
00:47:23.44\00:47:25.24
we're just trying to say
00:47:25.27\00:47:26.61
that this is how
convoluted this system is.
00:47:26.64\00:47:28.54
Thank you. We're
talking about the system.
00:47:28.58\00:47:30.25
We're not talking
about those who believe it.
00:47:30.28\00:47:32.11
We're saying this system
is out of, it's off kilter,
00:47:32.15\00:47:34.85
it's out of whack.
00:47:34.88\00:47:36.32
And we need to bring it
back, we're trying to focus
00:47:36.35\00:47:38.72
on what the Bible says
about this to bring it back.
00:47:38.75\00:47:40.56
You know some I'm hearing
some echo right now, John,
00:47:40.59\00:47:42.42
and they're saying.
00:47:42.46\00:47:44.06
Two were in the field,
one is taken, other is left.
00:47:44.09\00:47:47.96
I'll hit that in a minute.
Well, we have nine minutes.
00:47:48.00\00:47:51.23
We'll do it.
00:47:51.27\00:47:52.60
You know what, John,
00:47:52.63\00:47:53.97
in the future we need
to do the rest of these
00:47:54.00\00:47:55.34
and give it justice,
because this is so valid,
00:47:55.37\00:47:57.51
this so powerful, that
to run through it quickly
00:47:57.54\00:48:00.84
we'd almost rob
those who are watching
00:48:00.88\00:48:02.38
and listening to this program
00:48:02.41\00:48:03.75
of the
information that they need
00:48:03.78\00:48:05.11
to come out of darkness.
00:48:05.15\00:48:06.48
So even if we don't
cover them all today,
00:48:06.51\00:48:08.08
we're going to let
you know what they are
00:48:08.12\00:48:09.45
as far as at least
reciting the topics.
00:48:09.48\00:48:11.85
Okay, we'll cover
them in more detail.
00:48:11.89\00:48:13.39
And then we'll cover
them on another program.
00:48:13.42\00:48:14.76
But, but here's
what the Lord says,
00:48:14.79\00:48:16.89
just to verify what he
just made the point there.
00:48:16.93\00:48:20.56
John 13:33, "Where I am
going, you cannot come."
00:48:20.60\00:48:26.47
John 8:21, "Where I
go, you cannot come."
00:48:26.50\00:48:31.64
John 8:22, "Where I
go, you cannot come."
00:48:31.67\00:48:35.48
You can't go there.
00:48:35.51\00:48:36.85
John 7:36, "You
will seek Me and find Me
00:48:36.88\00:48:39.35
and where I am,
you cannot come."
00:48:39.38\00:48:41.48
You know, and
the amazing thing is,
00:48:41.52\00:48:42.98
the reason why I
actually insert in here
00:48:43.02\00:48:44.99
the immortality of the soul.
00:48:45.02\00:48:46.35
Right.
00:48:46.39\00:48:47.72
It's not a key part
of dispensational theory,
00:48:47.76\00:48:49.09
but it helps foster it.
00:48:49.12\00:48:51.29
Is he, you would think
that Jesus would have said,
00:48:51.33\00:48:53.66
"Where I'm going you
can't come until you die."
00:48:53.70\00:48:56.10
Right.
00:48:56.13\00:48:57.47
You think he would
have added, until you die.
00:48:57.50\00:49:00.44
Or if you want to
come-- I see you after--
00:49:00.47\00:49:02.70
Just go out and be a martyr.
00:49:02.74\00:49:04.07
Right.
00:49:04.11\00:49:05.44
You think that
he would say that,
00:49:05.47\00:49:06.81
but he says
nothing about it, he says,
00:49:06.84\00:49:08.64
"You'll come when I
come back to get you."
00:49:08.68\00:49:10.61
That's right.
00:49:10.65\00:49:11.98
In the very book,
00:49:12.01\00:49:13.35
the very writer of
this in John the Apostle
00:49:13.38\00:49:16.72
just two chapters earlier
John 5:28 and 29 he says,
00:49:16.75\00:49:20.72
"The hour is coming in
which all who are in the graves
00:49:20.76\00:49:24.23
will hear his voice
and will come forth."
00:49:24.26\00:49:26.53
John 5:28, so
there is a coming forth
00:49:26.56\00:49:29.60
everybody in the grave.
00:49:29.63\00:49:30.97
They're not heading out
00:49:31.00\00:49:32.73
to meet anybody
before anyone else.
00:49:32.77\00:49:35.20
They're going to come forth.
00:49:35.24\00:49:36.57
So, but let me
read 1 Thessalonians
00:49:36.60\00:49:38.31
because this is the key
verse that the rapture is used.
00:49:38.34\00:49:42.28
I'm going to read
starting with verse 13,
00:49:42.31\00:49:44.48
"But I do not want you
to be ignorant, brethren,
00:49:44.51\00:49:46.51
concerning those
who have fallen asleep,
00:49:46.55\00:49:48.52
lest you sorrow as
others who have no hope."
00:49:48.55\00:49:51.59
Death is spoken of
asleep by Jesus 4:14,
00:49:51.62\00:49:55.96
"For if we believe that
Jesus died and rose again,
00:49:55.99\00:49:58.09
even so God will bring with
Him those who sleep in Jesus."
00:49:58.13\00:50:02.23
That is not, God does not
bring him back to the earth.
00:50:02.26\00:50:05.17
When it says, God
will bring with him,
00:50:05.20\00:50:06.53
that means when Jesus returns,
00:50:06.57\00:50:08.60
the power of God
is drawing the saints
00:50:08.64\00:50:10.91
that were sleeping in
the grave to the kingdom,
00:50:10.94\00:50:14.68
not they ain't
coming back the first time.
00:50:14.71\00:50:17.55
And verse 15, "For this we say
to you by the word of the Lord,
00:50:17.58\00:50:21.48
that we who are alive and remain
00:50:21.52\00:50:24.35
until the coming of the Lord
00:50:24.39\00:50:26.29
will by no means
precede those who are asleep.
00:50:26.32\00:50:30.13
For the Lord Himself."
00:50:30.16\00:50:31.49
verse 16 "Will descend
from heaven with a shout
00:50:31.53\00:50:34.13
with the voice of an archangel,
with the trumpet of God,
00:50:34.16\00:50:36.60
and the dead in
Christ will rise first.
00:50:36.63\00:50:38.70
Then we who are alive and remain
00:50:38.73\00:50:41.14
shall be caught up together,
00:50:41.17\00:50:44.41
to with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air."
00:50:44.44\00:50:49.58
Let me hit that point,
00:50:49.61\00:50:51.01
that means the dead
didn't meet him yet.
00:50:51.05\00:50:53.21
Mama who died five
years ago didn't meet Him.
00:50:53.25\00:50:55.88
Daddy who passed away 15
years ago didn't meet Him.
00:50:55.92\00:51:00.02
The dead in Christ
will be brought to life.
00:51:00.06\00:51:02.79
We who are still alive
will be caught up with them
00:51:02.82\00:51:05.66
to meet Him.
00:51:05.69\00:51:07.03
There's going to
be a resurrection
00:51:07.06\00:51:08.66
and the living saints,
00:51:08.70\00:51:10.03
they're going to
meet him together.
00:51:10.07\00:51:11.40
they're not up
there shaking hands,
00:51:11.43\00:51:12.77
''Hey, good to see you,
00:51:12.80\00:51:14.14
I know it was bad circumstances,
00:51:14.17\00:51:15.50
left my family but
at least I'm here."
00:51:15.54\00:51:18.01
That's the idea
of this whole idea
00:51:18.04\00:51:19.84
they've already gone
00:51:19.87\00:51:21.21
and when you hear songs
like, 'They've gone on before'
00:51:21.24\00:51:24.21
you can sing a beautiful song
00:51:24.25\00:51:25.58
but this still doesn't
make that doctrinally sound.
00:51:25.61\00:51:27.28
In fact, that's one
of my favorite parts
00:51:27.32\00:51:28.65
to do things we do
in the funeral service,
00:51:28.68\00:51:31.05
in the memorial service,
00:51:31.09\00:51:32.42
to talk about the
great reunion in the sky.
00:51:32.45\00:51:34.02
The great reunion.
00:51:34.06\00:51:35.52
You know some glad
morning when this life is over,
00:51:35.56\00:51:38.76
I'll fly away.
00:51:38.79\00:51:40.13
You know just a
few more weary days
00:51:40.16\00:51:41.70
and then I'll fly away.
00:51:41.73\00:51:43.33
No you didn't find anywhere.
00:51:43.37\00:51:45.30
You'll not find
until Jesus comes back.
00:51:45.33\00:51:47.77
So make it clear.
00:51:47.80\00:51:49.14
You know, when I rise,
00:51:49.17\00:51:52.37
hallelujah by
and by I'll fly away,
00:51:52.41\00:51:54.34
not when I die,
see the difference.
00:51:54.38\00:51:58.01
They say, ''When you
die, you gonna fly away."
00:51:58.05\00:51:59.38
No, when you rise,
you're going to fly away.
00:51:59.41\00:52:02.42
So I think we've
done a lot on that
00:52:02.45\00:52:03.79
but the point of the matter
is, there is no secret rapture,
00:52:03.82\00:52:06.96
nobody's going anywhere.
00:52:06.99\00:52:08.42
And that's why we don't
even use the term rapture
00:52:08.46\00:52:10.66
in describing the
second coming of Christ.
00:52:10.69\00:52:12.56
The other thing to I
mentioned here the taken,
00:52:12.59\00:52:15.56
one taken and the other fall.
00:52:15.60\00:52:18.13
Clearly when we're looking
at this both Matthew and Luke
00:52:18.17\00:52:21.17
speak of this event
of two being in the field
00:52:21.20\00:52:24.11
or two being
grinding at the mill
00:52:24.14\00:52:25.47
or whatever it may be
00:52:25.51\00:52:27.04
and it says one is
taken and the other left,
00:52:27.08\00:52:30.48
and the common reference there
00:52:30.51\00:52:31.98
is the coming
interpretation there is,
00:52:32.01\00:52:33.92
the one that is
taken is taken to heaven,
00:52:33.95\00:52:35.42
the one that is
left is left behind.
00:52:35.45\00:52:37.42
That's kind of the whole theory
of this dispensational view
00:52:37.45\00:52:40.72
that's built on in the
book Left Behind Series,
00:52:40.76\00:52:44.03
a books and so.
00:52:44.06\00:52:45.83
But if you read
the passage carefully,
00:52:45.86\00:52:47.56
you're going to see the context
here is the days of Noah.
00:52:47.60\00:52:51.33
It says, ''As
in the days of Noah
00:52:51.37\00:52:53.60
so will the coming
of the Son of Man be.
00:52:53.64\00:52:55.80
And then it goes into
the two will be in the field,
00:52:55.84\00:52:58.67
one will be
taken, the other left."
00:52:58.71\00:53:00.81
It's interesting because
when the disciples heard Jesus
00:53:00.84\00:53:03.24
tell that in Luke 17,
what was their question?
00:53:03.28\00:53:08.78
Where are they taken?
Where are they taken, Lord?
00:53:08.82\00:53:12.35
That is the question
that they asked Jesus--
00:53:12.39\00:53:14.76
Verse 37.
00:53:14.79\00:53:16.12
All they can think of
is, this taken another left.
00:53:16.16\00:53:18.23
And they go
where are they taken?
00:53:18.26\00:53:19.59
Because they knew what
happened in the days of Noah.
00:53:19.63\00:53:22.33
Ones that were
taken in the days of Noah
00:53:22.36\00:53:24.53
were taken by the flood.
00:53:24.57\00:53:25.90
That's right.
00:53:25.93\00:53:27.27
And matter of fact,
John, you've got to do this.
00:53:27.30\00:53:29.34
Read Matthew 24:27,
you have to read this,
00:53:29.37\00:53:32.71
because this is something that
has so many people in the dark
00:53:32.74\00:53:36.18
about this taken and left
00:53:36.21\00:53:38.01
50 to 75 million
books have been sold
00:53:38.05\00:53:40.92
to support this taken
theory and this left theory,
00:53:40.95\00:53:43.62
and the Bible does not support
00:53:43.65\00:53:45.42
what the theory of
the rapturous teach, okay.
00:53:45.45\00:53:49.66
All right, it says in
verse 27 of Matthew 24, it says,
00:53:49.69\00:53:52.59
"For as the
lightning comes from the east
00:53:52.63\00:53:54.70
and flashes to the west,
00:53:54.73\00:53:56.23
so also will the
coming of the Son of Man be."
00:53:56.26\00:53:59.03
Okay.
00:53:59.07\00:54:00.40
And let me go
and read in Luke 17.
00:54:00.44\00:54:03.54
Yeah, read the questions
00:54:03.57\00:54:04.91
from where the
question of the disciples is.
00:54:04.94\00:54:06.61
"As the days of Noah were--"
00:54:06.64\00:54:08.08
That's the one actually I
want to read in Matthew 24,
00:54:08.11\00:54:10.71
"As the days of Noah were
00:54:10.75\00:54:12.35
so, also will the
coming of the Son of Man be."
00:54:12.38\00:54:14.62
Okay, here it is and verse 37.
00:54:14.65\00:54:17.75
That's the one right there 37,
00:54:17.79\00:54:19.62
I gave you,
Matthew 24:37 read that.
00:54:19.65\00:54:22.36
Yeah, "As in the
days of Noah were,
00:54:22.39\00:54:23.73
so will the coming
of the Son of Man be."
00:54:23.76\00:54:25.36
Okay, in verse 39.
00:54:25.39\00:54:27.83
"For as in those
days before the flood
00:54:27.86\00:54:29.76
they were eating, drinking,
00:54:29.80\00:54:31.13
marrying and giving in marriage,
00:54:31.17\00:54:32.50
until the day that
Noah entered the ark,
00:54:32.53\00:54:33.87
and did not know
until the flood came
00:54:33.90\00:54:35.24
and took them all away."
00:54:35.27\00:54:37.44
"So also will the
coming of the Son of Man be."
00:54:37.47\00:54:39.71
Okay, now Luke 17. Here it is.
00:54:39.74\00:54:44.98
In verse 26 and then 27,
"As it was in the days of Noah,
00:54:45.01\00:54:48.25
so will it be also in
the days of the Son of Man:
00:54:48.28\00:54:50.75
They ate, they
drank, they married wives,
00:54:50.79\00:54:52.85
they were given in marriage,
00:54:52.89\00:54:54.22
until the day that
Noah entered the ark,
00:54:54.26\00:54:56.39
and the flood came
and destroyed them all."
00:54:56.42\00:54:59.89
But taken away is
destruction not deliverance.
00:54:59.93\00:55:04.00
That's right, it's very clear.
00:55:04.03\00:55:05.60
That flood came and destroyed
them all, that's what--
00:55:05.63\00:55:07.94
You just used the
proof text method.
00:55:07.97\00:55:12.01
I tell you I shouldn't have--
00:55:12.04\00:55:13.48
I throw that in there
00:55:13.51\00:55:14.84
because it's got
such a bad rap sometimes
00:55:14.88\00:55:17.11
but you compared one
scripture with another,
00:55:17.15\00:55:19.15
this is both of
the gospel writers
00:55:19.18\00:55:21.32
are recording the same
thing that Jesus is saying,
00:55:21.35\00:55:24.09
and they
recorded in two different,
00:55:24.12\00:55:25.52
slightly different ways
from there where they're hearing
00:55:25.55\00:55:27.66
and for the
audience they're writing too.
00:55:27.69\00:55:29.66
And one says
''took them all away."
00:55:29.69\00:55:31.73
The other one says
''destroyed them all."
00:55:31.76\00:55:33.29
And that's what the flood did.
00:55:33.33\00:55:34.66
When the flood took them away,
00:55:34.70\00:55:36.03
it took them
away in destruction.
00:55:36.06\00:55:37.40
We know that, that's why
verse 35 to 37 very quickly,
00:55:37.43\00:55:40.30
two men will be
gathering, grinding together,
00:55:40.34\00:55:42.80
one will be
taken, the other left.
00:55:42.84\00:55:44.81
Two women.
00:55:44.84\00:55:46.24
Sorry two women
grinding and then verse 36,
00:55:46.27\00:55:48.61
"Two men will be in the field,
00:55:48.64\00:55:50.28
one will be taken
and the other left."
00:55:50.31\00:55:52.25
In verse 37, "And they
answered and said to him,
00:55:52.28\00:55:55.05
'Where Lord he?
00:55:55.08\00:55:57.99
So he said to them,
00:55:58.02\00:55:59.45
"Wherever, the body is
00:55:59.49\00:56:01.79
there the eagles will
be gathered together.'"
00:56:01.82\00:56:05.16
And the eagles there, actually,
the word is more vultures.
00:56:05.19\00:56:07.63
Yeah, vultures
and buzzards, yeah.
00:56:07.66\00:56:09.46
But eagles also are,
they eat scavenges too.
00:56:09.50\00:56:12.50
Eagles are
scavenger creatures also,
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but the fact of the matter is,
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you'll know where
the water took him
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because, can you
imagine, John, after the flood,
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the dinner that was waiting.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, it parallels with
the actual event occurring
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in Revelation 19,
just go to Revelation 19,
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you'll see the feasts that
were of the birds of the air.
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The bodies of men who
are gathered there to,
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to be devoured.
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You know, we have
less than a minute left,
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let's just iterate
the different topics
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that are affected by
the dispensational view.
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As we go on, hopefully in future
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things we'll talk
about the tribulation period,
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that's the seven years for
those that are the tribulate
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or the dispensationalist.
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There's no seven years
of tribulation in the Bible.
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There's the resurrection.
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There's all...
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This is where I could
not find a lot of agreement
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amongst dispensationalists,
it's really confusing to them
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and they have all kinds
of things involving that
00:57:04.75\00:57:06.92
the millennium, life in heaven.
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What happens
after the millennium?
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Even the little horn in Daniel
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in the futuristic
prophecies of the dispensation
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are totally
different than the Bible.
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So those are some of the things
we'll be covering very soon.
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That's right, and we appreciate
that you know, friends,
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there is so much
fuel in the Bible.
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We pray that you
study the Word of God,
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so that when He does
come, you will be ready
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because you've accepted not
only Jesus but His truth also.
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God bless you.
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