Hello, friends, grab
your Bible and a friend,
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and sit back as we
explore God's work together
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on this addition
of "House Calls."
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Hello, welcome to
the best Bible program
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on this side of the continent,
and if I didn't believe
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that I wouldn't have my
good friend John with me.
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Good to have you
here, John. Good to be here.
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I think we're kind of like
in the middle of the continent.
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Yeah, we're
somewhere in the United States,
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but you know where we are
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because you've
tuned in, so thank you.
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Get your Bibles, get your pens,
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invite your
family and your friends.
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That rhymes.
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And we're gonna enjoy
our excursion together
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through the word of God.
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And we're gonna have
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an interesting
topic today, John.
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We're gonna talk about,
is there life after life,
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or is there an afterlife,
and if the answers is yes,
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when if the answer is
no, why do people think that.
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But um...
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It's, you know,
it's a very common
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and popular question.
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People want to
know. People want to know.
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Where am I going,
after this is all done
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and so we're gonna
talk about that today,
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and we're gonna talk
about your Bible questions
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and your comments.
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We'll tell you how to
send those in just a moment,
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but before we do anything more,
we always like to have prayer,
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and John is designated
as our prayerer, prayer.
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So, John, would you bring us
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before the throne
of grace in prayer.
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Dear Father in heaven,
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we again ask for Your
presence to be with us here.
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Today, we open Your
word, and invite You to,
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to guide us through its pages
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and to help all
those that are hearing,
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that are viewing this program.
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To also have their hearts open
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to receive from you
the great gift of truth,
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and so we love you,
we give ourselves to you
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here now in this
program, in Jesus' name.
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Amen. Amen.
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Now, those of you
that have tuned in before,
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you know that a
major part of our program
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is Bible questions.
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If this is where your
participation is so important
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and so needed.
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So send your questions in.
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If you mail them
in, you know, I get,
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I get mail from
all over the globe,
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I get it from Minnesota,
I get it from New York
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and Florida, and I got one
the other day from Trinidad,
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and sometimes we get
them from as far as somewhere
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in a different time
zone, on a different continent.
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But wherever you are,
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if you want to sent
some that are quickly,
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that will arrive here quickly,
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here's the email
houecalls@3abn.org,
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that's houecalls@3abn.org,
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and we will
attempt by the word of God
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to answer your questions,
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but if the answer is
not acceptable or suitable,
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write us back so we can clarify.
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Now, John, what do
you have for us today?
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What question?
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Well, I got a
question about the Holy Spirit,
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and the baptism
specifically of the Holy Spirit,
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and Carol is writing, she says,
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"Are we to pray for the baptism
of the Holy Spirit everyday,
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or for the infilling of
the Holy Spirit everyday,
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or are they the same,
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were not given the gift of
the Holy Spirit at Pentecost
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actually receive it
when we're baptized.
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I thank God for your
program and I watch every week."
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Thank you, very much Carol.
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Questions about the Holy Spirit,
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and how we're to
ask for the Holy Spirit,
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and how we
receive the Holy Spirit.
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I have questions that have
been around for quite some time,
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and there are many examples
of this obviously in scripture,
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the Holy Spirit being
sent out at Pentecost,
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and other times
specifically to individuals,
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during it maybe an appeal
to someone to come to Christ,
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and even from
those who follow Jesus,
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but yet have not
received the Holy Spirit.
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So the answer to the question
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really is yes to
all those things.
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So the baptism of
the Holy Spirit occurs,
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at times at
baptism of immersion,
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but also it can
occur at various times
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after that as well,
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and so it's
really up to the Lord,
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the Holy Spirit descends
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and pours himself into the heart
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and minds of people, as
we are open to receive him,
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and that can
happen at different times.
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The first
question here was about,
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should we pray everyday
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for the infilling
of the Holy Spirit
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or for the baptism
of the Holy Spirit,
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and these are
the synonymous words,
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these are the same thing.
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So whether you're asking
for the Lord to baptize you
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by His spirit or to fill you,
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to have an infilling
of the spirit it is this,
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you're talking about same thing.
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There is one example here,
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and I think on
our recent program
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we actually brought
this, this passage up,
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that Jesus
comes to the disciples
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after His resurrection,
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included that disciples are
already baptized by immersion,
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that is already happened,
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they already
been following Jesus,
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but after His resurrection
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they, Jesus appears to them
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in one of his four
instances that we know
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of at least
that he comes to them
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specifically after that,
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and he says to
them in John 20:21,
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"Peace to you as
the Father has sent me,
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I also send you"
and then verse 22,
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and when he had said
this he breathed on them,
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and said
"receive the Holy Spirit,"
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and specifically
I think the reason
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why I want to
bring verse 21 here in
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is because the
receiving of the Holy Spirit
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in this instance is connected
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to the sending of
the disciples out.
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Jesus knows specifically
that we cannot go out,
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and utilize, and use the gifts
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that He has given
us through His spirit
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unless He pours
His spirit into us,
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and so He did
that with the disciples
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so they could go out and
begin to share the gospel.
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Then we also see
them not too much longer,
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we know from
Acts Chapter 1 and 2,
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that they gather together,
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they came together in
spite of their differences
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and the various
personalities they had
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and they sought Christ,
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they sought Him to send
His Holy Spirit which He did,
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He poured out His spirit on them
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on the day of Pentecost.
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And then they went
about preaching the gospel
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and many
received also the spirit,
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I believe on that day.
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So you're having--
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sometimes, John,
you have a situation
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where you're baptized initially,
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and you're given the Holy Spirit
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but then in other
times in the future
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you're filled with
the Holy Spirit again,
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and so some might
call this revivals,
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where you have a
revival of your spirit,
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God pours His spirit into you,
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as a result of
not only your need,
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but you're seeking
that closeness with him,
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and a desire to get out there,
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and get involved in
sharing gospel with the others,
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and the mission of Christ
to seek and save the lost.
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Usually it's
centered around that,
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but sometimes the
Holy Spirit comes to,
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in ways that maybe
we have a personal need,
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or need of not only
knowing that Christ is with us
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and he is close to us,
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but also he gives us a
healing or something else
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and he does that
through His spirit.
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You know, one of the things,
John, that Jesus relinquished
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as a result of coming to
this earth as one like us
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is He gave up His ability
to be everywhere at once.
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Right.
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And giving up that omnipresence
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He uses, He works
with the Holy Spirit
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to meet out the benefits
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of His sacrifice
on the cross for us.
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The substitution
that He has given us,
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and the
salvation he brings to us.
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That is all come
through the Holy Spirit,
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which is why in
John Chapter 14, he said,
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he encouraged the disciples,
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make sure you pray
for the Holy Spirit,
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because I will send him,
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ask me anything that you need.
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I will send the
Holy Spirit, the helper
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to come into your life,
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and to bring those things
that you need to live the life,
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that I've called you to live,
and to complete the mission
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that I've given you to complete.
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Yeah, that's a,
that's a very, you know,
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that's a very interesting
topic about the Holy Spirit
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and the way he comes
into our lives but I want to,
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I want to add to what
John just talked about,
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and maybe expand on
that a little bit more
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because the Holy
Spirit works in various ways.
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One, he works to,
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before we give
our lives to Christ,
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he works to convict us,
and when conviction comes
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and we invite the Lord
to come into our lives,
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then the evidence of
the Lord in our lives,
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so if the Lord is
our savior is we first,
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the fruit of the spirit show up,
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and as the Lord
sees our maturity,
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he even imparts to us
the gifts of the spirit.
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So what happens is,
you have the suggestion
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that the spirit
never stops working,
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you know, one of the
stories in the Bible.
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The Lord talks about the wind
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that comes from we don't
know where it comes from,
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we don't where it goes,
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and so also is the
work of the Holy Spirit.
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You don't know, some people say,
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well I was saved,
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I've heard that
phrase used so loosely,
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I was saved at 14,
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well that maybe when you
accepted the Lord in your life
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but that was not when
the work of the spirit began,
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that was when
he decided to give,
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to commit your life to the Lord,
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to, to as Peter,
was a perfect example,
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of the Apostle
Peter, he didn't accept,
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he did not accept
Jesus as soon as he saw Him,
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his brother Andrew did first,
and about a year and a half
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after the
following of Christ by Andrew
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then Peter was
invited, and then Bible says,
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immediately he followed.
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But there was a work,
there was a connection
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that was going on
little more than an year,
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about a year, year and half,
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before he
accepted that invitation,
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and then we still see
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that there was still a lot
of work left to do in his life,
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but the spirit was the
one that was working in him,
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even up to the point
where just before the cross,
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the Lord said to Peter
when you are converted,
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strengthen the brethren,
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and on the day of Pentecost
when the spirit was poured out,
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the empowerment of
Peter after his conversion
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gave him the strength
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to now be a part of the
fulfilling of the gospel
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which the Bible says,
"And you shall receive power,"
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and so I want to talk about
the work of the Holy Spirit,
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the fruits of the spirit,
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the power of the spirit
and the gifts of the spirit.
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And so you see
that those are the ways,
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so when you're saying, "Lord,
if I wake up in the morning,
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and I'm gonna ask
for the spirit of God
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to abide in my life."
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What I'd like to point out
is that he never stops abiding.
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John 14:16, "I
will pray the Father."
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This is Jesus
speaking to His disciples.
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"I will pray the Father,
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and he will give
you another helper."
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King James says,
"Another comforter,
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that he may abide
with you forever."
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And when you look
that up in the context,
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says what when he, "that he
may abide with you forever,"
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and who is that,
that he is speaking of?
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"The spirit of truth,
whom the world cannot receive."
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So the one that promises
to abide with you forever
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is the spirit of truth,
whom the world cannot receive.
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So what happens? How
long is he gonna be around?
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Verse 17 of John 14,
"Because it neither sees him,
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nor knows him, but you
know him for he dwells with you,
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and will be in you.
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I will not leave you
orphans, I will come to you."
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And so when Jesus
returned to the Father,
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He sent the spirit and he
says it's necessary that I go,
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and there's only, there is
one more function of the spirit
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that I want to point out.
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John 16:13,
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"However, when he the
spirit of truth is come,
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he will guide you into all truth
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for he will not
speak on his own authority,
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but whatever he
hears, he will speak
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and he will tell
you things to come.
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He will glorify me, glorify me."
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Verse 14, "For he
will take of what is mine
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and declare it to you."
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So the spirit never
stops working in us,
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and that's why you know,
you think of the Holy Spirit,
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and you think, well
that's the New Testament,
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but one text, Psalms
51:11, when David prayed,
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the chapter we call
that the chapter of his--
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not the chapter
of his repentance
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but the chapter
of his re-conversion,
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I can use that
phrase in a broader sense,
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because chapter 50
was where was repenting.
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In chapter 51 he
pleads to the Lord
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and he says verse 11,
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"Do not cast me
away from your presence
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and do not take your
Holy Spirit from me."
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So a lot of times we think
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that the Holy
Spirit was poured out
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only in the New Testament times,
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but the Holy Spirit has
always continued to work
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through those
vessels that God has called
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and that Jesus has commissioned.
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And I think
probably in the New Testament
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what he is doing,
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and the Holy Spirit
in the way he is working,
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it has to do with commissioning,
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and getting the word
through power out to the world,
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and so, you know, we need
to know that the Holy Spirit,
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even before
being in us is working.
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That's right.
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I like the passage
here from John 14:17,
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"He dwells with you
and will be in the future,"
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Jesus' is saying, "in
you," so at that point
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the Holy Spirit was working
absolutely on the disciples,
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but he had not yet
filled them with power
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to be able to then not
only transform their life,
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but then allow them to
move out into the world
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to share the
gospel with everyone else.
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And so the formula I have,
kind of like the P, three Ps.
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Salvation from the penalty,
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from the power and
the presence of sin,
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there's another formula I have,
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and this is the Holy
Spirit works on you first
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then he works in you,
then he works through you.
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So when the spirit
begins, he works on you,
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if he can't work, if
he does not work in you
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before he works on
you, when he works in you,
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God both to will and
do of his good pleasure,
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then he can work through
you, and those are the steps.
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On you, in you,
and then through you,
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and when you look at
the Bible, you exactly see
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that the spirit
worked on Peter, to call him,
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worked in him, to qualify him,
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then worked through
him to commission him
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to be a New Testament apostle.
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So in a practical way
just to answer the question,
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should we be praying
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for the infilling
of the Holy Spirit?
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Yes. Of course.
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Because in many times,
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God needs to
instill and fuse you
00:14:33.70\00:14:35.70
with the power of
His spirit to do a work,
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He wants to work through
you, and recognizing that need
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and then asking for the Lord
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to do that is very
important in our lives,
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but we also should know
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that in everyday of our
lives the Holy Spirit is there,
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and he's
continually working in us.
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It's not that you
have to pray everyday,
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so the Holy
Spirit doesn't leave you.
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So I'm saying you
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you're praying
for the Holy Spirit
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always for Christ to
always be in the heart,
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and that you
would hear His voice,
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but sometimes there are things
that happen that you know,
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are involved
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that you need
power and strength for.
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Maybe they're evangelistic
or some outreach thing,
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or something else.
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Those are the times
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to really pray for the
baptism of the Holy Spirit
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in the way that
brings power to the message
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and to your life as you look
to share Christ with others.
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You know, I love this
topic, we need to do it,
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I don't know if maybe we have,
00:15:29.29\00:15:31.16
but it would be good
to do another one again
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on just how the spirit works.
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You know, this whole thing
about conversion in the Bible
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is so clear on conversion.
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Conversion is compared to
either being in the flesh,
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or being in the spirit,
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and one of the
favorite passages in the Bible
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in Romans 8:1,
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"There is
therefore, now no condemnation
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to those who are in Christ,
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who walk not
according to the flesh,
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but according to the spirit."
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So when you look at the spirit
the work is just so beautifully
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Romans 8:14,
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"For as many as are
led by the spirit of God
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these are the sons of God."
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And when you
look at the beginning
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of the ministry of Jesus,
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Matthew 4, the
very first verse says,
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"and Jesus," speaking of
him, "he was led of the spirit."
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So the leading that the spirit
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that led Jesus in his human form
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is the spirit that
leads us in our human form
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when we become part
takers of a divine nature.
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So here's what I would
say, rather than saying,
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I'm praying for the Holy
Spirit to fill me everyday,
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pray for the Holy
Spirit to lead you everyday
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because he's already come
in, he's doing a work in you,
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and the work that he's
begun in you is not gonna,
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he's not gonna,
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he's gonna continue
till that work is completed.
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So pray that everyday
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you will have an ear
for the spirits of voice
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so you can hear him leading you,
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because you know,
John, it's amazing,
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sometime in the mornings
00:17:06.52\00:17:08.32
after I've
finished reading the Bible,
00:17:08.36\00:17:10.03
done my devotions, I
say "Lord, use me today.
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Cause me to meet somebody
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and what you've
just shared with me,
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maybe it could help someone,"
00:17:19.40\00:17:21.34
and I have been amazed how
God, friends have allowed me
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to become a vessel of
honor for him that day,
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and I will get a phone
call, one day I got a phone call
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all the way from
the Virgin Islands
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about 15 minutes after I
finished my Bible studies,
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and it was on the
very thing I just studied,
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and I thought, "Lord
you just got me ready
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for this phone call."
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That's what I'm talking
about so what you want to do,
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you don't want to pray
for the spirit to fill you up,
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and do nothing
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because it's like
filling your car with gas
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and doing nothing.
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You want to pray
for the spirit to be,
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he's already there,
but now say, "Lord use me.
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Holy Spirit, I'm
making myself available
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that Christ can be
glorified through me."
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That's right.
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And so it's a powerful state--
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That's the
really, really good one,
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we can take one day
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and just really
dissect that all of the aspects
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in how the spirits works.
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Nutshell in you, on
you, in you, through you,
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as He leads you, and
so praise God for that.
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We have a Delores
from the Amarillo, Texas.
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Delores from Amarillo,
Texas, has a question, she says,
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"I have heard on
3ABN more recently
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by one or two, in house speakers
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the term "Father God."
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When I hear this,
it makes me wonder
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how many Gods that person has?
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It sounds irreverent,
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and not an
appropriate way to address God.
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I have not seen that
term used in the Bible,
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I have seen in
red, "God my Father,"
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which say, who is God,
Father who art in heaven
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which says, which Father.
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However, I've not
seen or read "Father God"
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which says, which God.
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What are your thoughts
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and can you show me
any references in the Bible
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where God is
addressed as Father God?
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Is it common?
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It is common for
the Catholic Church
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and some other denominations
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to refer to their
priests as Father such and such.
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Is this a subtle way to
merge into one religion?
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Let me answer the last part.
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No, we ain't
merging into anything.
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Let me use the term,
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when you use the
term "Father God,"
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one of the phrases Jesus,
one of the statement Jesus made
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is "Call no man your Father"
00:19:39.91\00:19:42.58
except your Father
which is in heaven.
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So when you say
Father, it is not--
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Let me put the phrase correctly
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Father, comma
God not "Father God."
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That's the better
way they we're saying,
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Father, God, not Father
God, but Father comma God,
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because when you
see in the Bible,
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Galatians 4:6 is a
wonderful illustration of this.
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Galatians 4:6, "And
because you are sons,
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God has sent forth the Spirit
of His Sons into your heart,
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crying out, "Abba, Father!"
00:20:18.35\00:20:21.88
that's Father, Father
00:20:21.92\00:20:24.29
and so who is the
Father that's talked about?
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Abba.
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That's talking about
the endearment of God to us.
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Abba, Father, well,
you find one Greek word
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and one English word
both meaning the same thing,
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Abba Father, Father, Father,
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and so what Father is
being referred to here,
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our heavenly Father.
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So the term, we're not
merging into any religions,
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those are terms
that people have used,
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one of the things I always
recommend to people not say
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is mother God, and
I've heard some preachers.
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I heard a preacher once say that
00:20:55.92\00:20:57.85
and I pulled him
aside in a heartbeat
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and said, "There the Bible
doesn't support a mother God,"
00:20:59.69\00:21:03.02
but when you phrase,
when you read the Bible
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and you look at
the phrase "Father,"
00:21:05.23\00:21:07.23
our Father which art in
heaven or who art in heaven,
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which ever translation you have.
00:21:10.13\00:21:11.80
So, suffice to say that
when somebody says Father God,
00:21:11.83\00:21:15.27
it's a term of in endearance
00:21:15.30\00:21:16.71
rather than a term of
coming up with a new God,
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because there's no new
God, because Bible says,
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"Thou shall have no
other gods before me."
00:21:22.11\00:21:23.81
There's only
our Lord is one God.
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So, you know, I wouldn't,
00:21:26.98\00:21:28.92
but I could give
you number of texts
00:21:28.95\00:21:30.29
where Father and
God are used together.
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And I believe that,
when you asked the question,
00:21:32.29\00:21:35.59
where is God
addressed as Father God,
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surely, you've
done your homework
00:21:37.93\00:21:39.59
because you don't often
ask a question like that,
00:21:39.63\00:21:41.63
unless you know the answer
00:21:41.66\00:21:43.00
is the Bible doesn't
address God as Father God.
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But Abba Father is a
term that's close to Abba,
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that my Father,
and Father, my God.
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But number of
passages in the Bible,
00:21:53.94\00:21:58.21
one of the ones that you
see differentiation is made
00:21:58.25\00:22:01.08
between the Father and
the Son is in John 20:17
00:22:01.12\00:22:06.69
and also in Matthew 4
00:22:06.72\00:22:10.19
you find the spirit of
God descending on Christ,
00:22:10.23\00:22:13.63
you find the Son
of God being baptized
00:22:13.66\00:22:16.46
and you hear the voice
of God, the Father speaking,
00:22:16.50\00:22:19.40
so you have the Father
God, the Son God and the spirit.
00:22:19.43\00:22:26.04
So, there you
find God spoken of,
00:22:26.07\00:22:28.31
in the person of the Godhead.
00:22:28.34\00:22:32.58
But here's one that you
could see the differentiation
00:22:32.61\00:22:34.38
between the Father and the Son
and both being God, here it is.
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He says, Jesus
said to her John 20:17,
00:22:38.95\00:22:41.82
"Do not cling to Me--"
00:22:41.86\00:22:43.19
And I'm reading from
the New King James Version,
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"For I've not yet to
ascended to my Father,
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but go to my
brethren and say to them
00:22:48.40\00:22:51.43
I am ascending to my
Father and your Father,
00:22:51.47\00:22:55.50
to my God and your God."
00:22:55.54\00:22:58.47
So you have Father,
God referred to there,
00:22:58.51\00:23:02.04
Jesus is saying I'm
ascending to my Father
00:23:02.08\00:23:05.21
and to your Father,
00:23:05.25\00:23:06.92
to my God and to your God,
00:23:06.95\00:23:09.28
and then when you
go to Hebrews now.
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The Bible makes it
clear in Hebrews Chapter 1
00:23:11.42\00:23:13.32
I believe it is,
00:23:13.36\00:23:14.72
let me turn there
quickly, any comments John.
00:23:14.76\00:23:16.79
No, you're doing a good job.
00:23:16.83\00:23:19.13
So, Hebrews, now you find
00:23:19.16\00:23:23.13
Hebrews 1:8,
00:23:23.16\00:23:29.54
"But to the son he says
00:23:29.57\00:23:31.27
your throne, oh
God, is forever."
00:23:31.31\00:23:34.08
So, if you said, Jesus is my God
00:23:34.11\00:23:37.65
and God Almighty is my God.
00:23:37.68\00:23:40.88
You find these terms
are simply differentiating
00:23:40.92\00:23:43.92
between the Father and the Son,
00:23:43.95\00:23:46.05
but the term God is broad
00:23:46.09\00:23:48.12
in the sense of
encompassing the Son,
00:23:48.16\00:23:50.89
the Father and the Holy Spirit.
00:23:50.93\00:23:53.16
So but as far as
the term Father God,
00:23:53.19\00:23:55.23
I would prefer to
say Father comma God
00:23:55.26\00:23:59.43
rather than Father God.
00:23:59.47\00:24:00.80
Almost saying like
there, is there a different God,
00:24:00.84\00:24:04.87
you know, we're not, we're
not talking about a new God
00:24:04.91\00:24:07.28
or an additional God.
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So, anyway that's kind of--
00:24:09.74\00:24:11.58
but just to answer the question,
00:24:11.61\00:24:13.98
no, we're not
following Catholicism at all.
00:24:14.02\00:24:17.45
We're not
referring to him as a priest
00:24:17.49\00:24:19.05
would be refer to
as Father Lawrence,
00:24:19.09\00:24:21.66
as Father John, or you
know, so on and so forth,
00:24:21.69\00:24:24.29
and in that sense, Jesus
says "call no man your Father."
00:24:24.33\00:24:28.13
One more
question? Yes, I think so.
00:24:28.16\00:24:30.57
This message comes from Kiza
00:24:30.60\00:24:32.87
and the question
is, well it's a--
00:24:32.90\00:24:36.57
it's a little long.
00:24:36.60\00:24:37.94
So I'm gonna try and
pull out the question here
00:24:37.97\00:24:39.67
and just kind of paraphrase.
00:24:39.71\00:24:41.94
I was hoping
you'd be able to help me
00:24:41.98\00:24:43.65
regarding a
question that has stumped me,
00:24:43.68\00:24:46.72
I know God hates lies,
00:24:46.75\00:24:48.82
so I've struggled
for years to workout why,
00:24:48.85\00:24:51.49
in the book of 2
Chronicles 18:18-23,
00:24:51.52\00:24:56.29
God uses a lying
spirit to get rid of King Ahab
00:24:56.32\00:24:59.69
to bring about his down fall,
00:24:59.73\00:25:02.26
and so we're gonna go
there and take a look here at,
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at this passage
from 2 Chronicles 18
00:25:06.63\00:25:13.04
and I'll begin here
with, with verse 18.
00:25:13.07\00:25:18.95
By the way, this is
Ahab and Jehoshaphat
00:25:22.78\00:25:25.85
kind of creating an alliance
00:25:25.89\00:25:29.59
to defend against an army
00:25:29.62\00:25:33.03
that is coming against them,
I believe it was the Assyrians,
00:25:33.06\00:25:35.40
but I don't have it
right in front of me.
00:25:35.43\00:25:38.30
Anyway, so they're here
00:25:38.33\00:25:40.04
and Ahab asks for
some help from a prophet
00:25:40.07\00:25:43.97
which is, as a
result of King Jehoshaphat
00:25:44.01\00:25:48.04
actually pursuing
that King Jehoshaphat,
00:25:48.08\00:25:49.88
if you understand
was a righteous king
00:25:49.91\00:25:52.25
and King Ahab was a wicked king
00:25:52.28\00:25:54.98
and it says in verse 18
that Micah who was the one,
00:25:55.02\00:25:58.62
who's the true prophet of
God that came before them,
00:25:58.65\00:26:02.82
said, "Therefore,
hear the word of the Lord.
00:26:02.86\00:26:05.19
I saw the Lord
sitting on his throne
00:26:05.23\00:26:06.96
in all of the host of heaven
00:26:07.00\00:26:08.33
standing at his
right hand and his left.
00:26:08.36\00:26:10.67
And the Lord said
"who will persuade Ahab,
00:26:10.70\00:26:14.97
King of Israel to go up,
00:26:15.00\00:26:16.74
that he may fall
at Ramoth-Gilead.
00:26:16.77\00:26:19.91
So one spoke in this manner
00:26:19.94\00:26:22.41
and another spoke in that manner
00:26:22.44\00:26:24.95
and then a spirit came forward
and stood before the Lord
00:26:24.98\00:26:27.22
and said "I will persuade him."
00:26:27.25\00:26:29.42
The Lord said to
him "in what way"?
00:26:29.45\00:26:32.05
So he said "I will go
out to be a lying spirit
00:26:32.09\00:26:34.62
in the mouth of
all his prophets"
00:26:34.66\00:26:36.16
and the Lord said
"you shall persuade him
00:26:36.19\00:26:38.69
and also
prevail, go out and do so.
00:26:38.73\00:26:42.66
Therefore look, the
Lord has put a lying spirit
00:26:42.70\00:26:45.33
in the mouth of
these prophets of yours,
00:26:45.37\00:26:47.47
and the Lord has
declared disaster against you."
00:26:47.50\00:26:51.01
So, some I know have
read that and they say, well,
00:26:51.04\00:26:53.17
you know why does the
Lord ask one of his angels,
00:26:53.21\00:26:56.21
one of the spiritual
host to go and lie to Abraham,
00:26:56.24\00:27:00.48
to Ahab here?
00:27:00.52\00:27:02.28
And that's not
really what's happening,
00:27:02.32\00:27:04.25
what is happening
here is fairly common
00:27:04.29\00:27:07.26
that even occurs today.
00:27:07.29\00:27:09.09
This is a situation
00:27:09.12\00:27:10.46
where God is allowing
someone to be tempted,
00:27:10.49\00:27:15.76
someone to be enticed to
do something that would be,
00:27:15.80\00:27:21.20
that would go
against what God's will is,
00:27:21.24\00:27:23.47
a test so to speak,
00:27:23.51\00:27:25.44
and in this case
this test came upon Ahab
00:27:25.47\00:27:27.84
because Ahab was determined
00:27:27.88\00:27:30.45
to bring Jehoshaphat
and his army along with him
00:27:30.48\00:27:35.02
to fight against this army
that was coming against Israel.
00:27:35.05\00:27:40.06
And one of the things
that you'll note here,
00:27:40.09\00:27:42.59
and this is the case
with all of scripture
00:27:42.62\00:27:44.56
and it's just the way
00:27:44.59\00:27:45.93
that the Bible reads in various,
00:27:45.96\00:27:48.86
in many places and that is this,
00:27:48.90\00:27:51.27
often when the Bible says
00:27:51.30\00:27:55.64
with the Bible speaks
of as the Lord allowing,
00:27:55.67\00:27:58.71
it says it as it reads it,
00:27:58.74\00:28:00.74
what you read is as
if he does it, okay.
00:28:00.78\00:28:04.68
So, when God allows
something to happen,
00:28:04.71\00:28:06.65
the Bible will actually say
00:28:06.68\00:28:09.45
in so many words that
he actually does it, okay,
00:28:09.48\00:28:13.15
and this is very
thing you've heard the term,
00:28:13.19\00:28:15.26
John that God
hardened pharaoh's heart.
00:28:15.29\00:28:18.39
Right.
00:28:18.43\00:28:19.76
Well, did that mean
God went down and said
00:28:19.79\00:28:21.30
"Pharaoh you're
not gonna accept me,
00:28:21.33\00:28:23.83
I'm gonna harden your
heart now if they go against me,
00:28:23.87\00:28:25.77
so when then I speak to you,
00:28:25.80\00:28:27.14
you'll resist me,
is that what God did?
00:28:27.17\00:28:28.50
No. Absolutely not.
Is that God like that?
00:28:28.54\00:28:30.61
No, but he allows the
spirit, the evil spirit to test
00:28:30.64\00:28:35.61
and to come into pharaoh's life,
00:28:35.64\00:28:38.41
who is already
resistant to God's voice
00:28:38.45\00:28:41.12
and God allowed that to
happen which hardened his heart
00:28:41.15\00:28:44.19
against the message
that God was to bring.
00:28:44.22\00:28:46.35
In very similar way here,
00:28:46.39\00:28:47.89
He's allowing this lying spirit,
00:28:47.92\00:28:49.62
an evil spirit who
says, "Hey, I'll go do it."
00:28:49.66\00:28:52.49
And let me tell
you, every demonic spirit
00:28:52.53\00:28:54.40
is very willing to
bring someone's downfall.
00:28:54.43\00:28:57.33
There's no question
00:28:57.37\00:28:58.70
and here before Christ
came and died on the cross
00:28:58.73\00:29:01.24
we have, we see clear access
still by Satan and his host
00:29:01.27\00:29:05.67
to come before of
the throne of God.
00:29:05.71\00:29:08.74
They always had
to seek permission
00:29:08.78\00:29:10.15
into what they wanted to do
00:29:10.18\00:29:11.51
but in this case a lying
spirit was coming before him
00:29:11.55\00:29:14.75
and asked to go ahead
00:29:14.78\00:29:16.12
and bring that
lie before King Ahab.
00:29:16.15\00:29:20.32
And the Lord
allows him to do this.
00:29:20.36\00:29:22.06
And it's nothing
less than a test Ahab
00:29:22.09\00:29:25.56
and a temptation to
Ahab that God allows,
00:29:25.59\00:29:28.06
but the Bible
reads as if God does it
00:29:28.10\00:29:30.67
but really what it's saying
00:29:30.70\00:29:32.03
is God is
allowing this to occur.
00:29:32.07\00:29:34.60
And to add to that,
00:29:34.64\00:29:36.60
one of the most
beautiful thing's
00:29:36.64\00:29:38.64
that I want to
just built on that
00:29:38.67\00:29:40.31
and that was,
that's good what you said
00:29:40.34\00:29:42.58
is that God protects those
00:29:42.61\00:29:48.95
that stand for the truth
00:29:48.98\00:29:51.72
and God will not allow
00:29:51.75\00:29:53.36
someone who does
not represent Him
00:29:53.39\00:29:55.92
to speak in his behalf.
00:29:55.96\00:29:57.89
This was huge, let me
give you a couple of examples
00:29:57.93\00:30:00.56
and then I'll show
you two scriptures.
00:30:00.60\00:30:02.26
When Saul was
rejected by the Lord
00:30:02.30\00:30:04.93
and the Lord
rejected him as King.
00:30:04.97\00:30:06.84
He went to an evil,
00:30:06.87\00:30:09.34
he went to a witch to
get a word from the Lord
00:30:09.37\00:30:13.24
and an evil spirit
mimicked Samuel the Prophet
00:30:13.27\00:30:19.01
and brought forth the
prophecy of doom to Saul,
00:30:19.05\00:30:22.98
which came to pass.
00:30:23.02\00:30:24.89
When that
happened, the Bible says
00:30:24.92\00:30:27.89
"Saul did not know
00:30:27.92\00:30:29.46
that the spirit of God
had departed from him,"
00:30:29.49\00:30:32.73
when God does not
choose you any longer,
00:30:32.76\00:30:35.13
He does not allow
the spirit of truth
00:30:35.16\00:30:37.03
to speak through you.
00:30:37.07\00:30:38.43
Therefore, if you come
to me and I listened to you,
00:30:38.47\00:30:42.74
I could say as a
true prophet I could say
00:30:42.77\00:30:45.67
"what you just said,
God did not send you."
00:30:45.71\00:30:48.71
And what you're
seeing in this story
00:30:48.74\00:30:50.21
is the enemies of Israel
00:30:50.25\00:30:52.38
always wanted to get
an upper hand on Israel.
00:30:52.41\00:30:56.69
But God never allowed them
to receive that information.
00:30:56.72\00:31:00.76
So, you have this lying
prophet that's going to Ahab
00:31:00.79\00:31:05.29
and Ahab now thinks he's
receiving good information
00:31:05.33\00:31:09.96
but God is saying,
00:31:10.00\00:31:11.33
when he comes
with that information,
00:31:11.37\00:31:12.80
when you hear this information
00:31:12.83\00:31:14.44
know that I'm not
speaking through him.
00:31:14.47\00:31:16.81
We're able to
differentiate, and today,
00:31:16.84\00:31:18.41
let me give you an example.
00:31:18.44\00:31:19.77
I'll use a couple
of this scriptures
00:31:19.81\00:31:21.14
to show you that, this
pattern has been established
00:31:21.18\00:31:23.18
all through scriptures.
00:31:23.21\00:31:24.91
The Lord says to
those who know the truth,
00:31:24.95\00:31:26.65
just listen to what
they say and you'll know
00:31:26.68\00:31:28.55
whether or not I've sent them.
00:31:28.58\00:31:30.29
Jeremiah Chapter
23, the Bible says,
00:31:30.32\00:31:32.35
"Woe unto the
prophets who said I have said
00:31:32.39\00:31:34.82
and I have not
said, woe to the prophet
00:31:34.86\00:31:37.09
who said I have sent
them and I've not sent them."
00:31:37.13\00:31:39.79
And then, here's
one of the classic ones
00:31:39.83\00:31:42.06
that we've heard before
00:31:42.10\00:31:43.43
but now the
context that it falls to.
00:31:43.47\00:31:45.47
John laid the
context by showing you
00:31:45.50\00:31:47.70
in an application
how it actually works.
00:31:47.74\00:31:50.11
God never speaks
through false prophets.
00:31:50.14\00:31:52.57
So, when they to come
to prophesize or speak,
00:31:52.61\00:31:54.61
you'll know
instantly by what they say
00:31:54.64\00:31:57.31
that this lying spirit
is working through them.
00:31:57.35\00:31:59.68
Here it is, Isaiah 8:20,
this is the prime example,
00:31:59.71\00:32:04.05
"To the law and to the testimony
00:32:04.09\00:32:06.15
if they do not speak
according to this word,
00:32:06.19\00:32:11.13
it is because there
is no truth in them."
00:32:11.16\00:32:15.20
So, now go back
to the application,
00:32:15.23\00:32:16.87
Ahab comes, lying spirit
delivers a message to him,
00:32:16.90\00:32:21.04
he now goes and
deliver that message
00:32:21.07\00:32:22.84
and the true prophet says,
00:32:22.87\00:32:24.31
God did not say
that, you know why?
00:32:24.34\00:32:26.24
Because you're not
speaking according to the law
00:32:26.27\00:32:27.88
and testimony
00:32:27.91\00:32:29.24
and then one more,
in the New Testament,
00:32:29.28\00:32:31.45
"God always puts into
place whether or not we can know
00:32:31.48\00:32:33.78
that this person is
filled by God's spirit or not."
00:32:33.82\00:32:37.02
So, you find also when--
00:32:37.05\00:32:39.42
let me read the second example
00:32:39.45\00:32:41.42
to before I read
the third example.
00:32:41.46\00:32:44.73
1 John 2:3 and 4,
00:32:44.76\00:32:47.73
and once again these
always tests, and let us know
00:32:47.76\00:32:50.00
that God is speaking
through that individual,
00:32:50.03\00:32:52.13
here it is.
00:32:52.17\00:32:53.50
And today let me,
before I read this text,
00:32:53.54\00:32:55.20
today John, there are
many preachers preaching
00:32:55.24\00:32:58.57
and we know by
based on what they said
00:32:58.61\00:33:00.54
that they're not
being used by God.
00:33:00.58\00:33:02.68
I don't want to use names
00:33:02.71\00:33:04.11
in respect to those individuals,
00:33:04.15\00:33:05.75
whom God can still bring
to the knowledge of truth
00:33:05.78\00:33:08.65
but there are many
preachers preaching today
00:33:08.68\00:33:10.72
that are saying
things that God has not said,
00:33:10.75\00:33:12.62
some of them even say on air,
00:33:12.65\00:33:14.12
God told me I'm
being on a bus one day
00:33:14.16\00:33:16.86
and I'm gonna be
very vague about this,
00:33:16.89\00:33:18.23
traveling with some
people and on television,
00:33:18.26\00:33:22.06
this bus had a
television and somebody said
00:33:22.10\00:33:24.13
"God told me that I'm
gonna be the next president."
00:33:24.17\00:33:27.20
And I said that's a
lie, and people turned to me
00:33:27.24\00:33:31.31
and said "How could
you be so judgmental?"
00:33:31.34\00:33:33.21
I said God did not tell him
00:33:33.24\00:33:35.41
he's gonna be
the next president.
00:33:35.44\00:33:36.78
I said watch,
00:33:36.81\00:33:38.15
he's not even gonna
make it into the primaries
00:33:38.18\00:33:40.12
and he didn't.
00:33:40.15\00:33:41.48
About a month and half
later when the primaries were--
00:33:41.52\00:33:43.59
he didn't even get
chosen to be on the podium
00:33:43.62\00:33:45.62
as one of the
possible running candidates.
00:33:45.65\00:33:47.92
I said I've told you that
00:33:47.96\00:33:49.29
and they said,
how do you know that?
00:33:49.32\00:33:50.66
I said because he
doesn't speak the truth,
00:33:50.69\00:33:52.26
God is not gonna use a person
00:33:52.29\00:33:53.86
who tells lies
as his mouthpiece.
00:33:53.90\00:33:55.93
So this example is
00:33:55.96\00:33:57.57
that spirit that came
into him, God said okay.
00:33:57.60\00:34:00.10
Now watch this. He
does not represent me.
00:34:00.14\00:34:04.87
So he's asking for this spirit?
00:34:04.91\00:34:06.88
Okay, I'm gonna
send a lying spirit
00:34:06.91\00:34:08.71
that you'll know,
that he's not my vessel.
00:34:08.74\00:34:12.01
And descending is the
part that allows him to go.
00:34:12.05\00:34:16.45
But the Bible
reads as he was sent.
00:34:16.48\00:34:18.72
But that's just
because that even,
00:34:18.75\00:34:20.62
and here's the
good news about this.
00:34:20.66\00:34:23.43
Those evil angels,
demons have to go through God,
00:34:23.46\00:34:28.96
before he allows
anything to happen to anyone.
00:34:29.00\00:34:32.83
God is sovereign,
everything that happens here,
00:34:32.87\00:34:35.54
God has to be consulted.
00:34:35.57\00:34:37.87
He has to allow
00:34:37.91\00:34:39.87
and a lot of this don't
like necessarily what he allows
00:34:39.91\00:34:43.51
because we suffer,
we experience pain,
00:34:43.55\00:34:45.78
we have a lot of
things we go through
00:34:45.81\00:34:47.15
that are very tough.
00:34:47.18\00:34:48.95
Job had the same thing but
nonetheless God is with us,
00:34:48.98\00:34:51.79
and he stands for us
and unless we put ourselves,
00:34:51.82\00:34:56.93
insert ourselves up against him,
00:34:56.96\00:34:58.59
speaking presuming
to speak in his behalf
00:34:58.63\00:35:00.66
when God is not
speaking through us.
00:35:00.70\00:35:03.30
We've nothing to fear
because God is for you and you,
00:35:03.33\00:35:07.74
we can take confidence in that,
00:35:07.77\00:35:09.34
in many of these
stories of the Bible.
00:35:09.37\00:35:10.97
You know another,
00:35:11.01\00:35:12.34
the final example I
want to also bring out
00:35:12.37\00:35:14.84
in 1 John 2:3 and 4,
00:35:14.88\00:35:16.61
once again another
example of how the Lord says,
00:35:16.64\00:35:18.41
you can tell that the
spirit working through that man
00:35:18.45\00:35:20.88
is a lying spirit.
00:35:20.92\00:35:22.65
This is not Old
Testament only, this is today
00:35:22.68\00:35:25.45
and you know as a
person who knows truth.
00:35:25.49\00:35:27.12
You could say, that
person is not telling the truth.
00:35:27.16\00:35:28.96
So what spirit
is actually at work?
00:35:28.99\00:35:30.76
A lying spirit.
Here's another one.
00:35:30.79\00:35:33.19
1 John 2:3 and 4,
00:35:33.23\00:35:34.83
"Now by this we know that,
00:35:34.86\00:35:36.26
we know him if we
keep his commandments."
00:35:36.30\00:35:38.60
Verse 4, the key aspect,
"He who says," he's speaking,
00:35:38.63\00:35:43.37
"I know him and does not
keep his commandments is a liar
00:35:43.41\00:35:47.18
and the truth is not in him."
00:35:47.21\00:35:49.01
What spirit is at work?
00:35:49.04\00:35:50.65
A lying spirit and
then finally in 2 John
00:35:50.68\00:35:56.75
well, 1 John
2:22, "Who is a liar?
00:35:56.79\00:36:01.72
But he who denies
that Jesus is the Christ,
00:36:01.76\00:36:04.89
he is antichrist who
denies the Father and the Son."
00:36:04.93\00:36:08.26
And 1 John 4:3,
00:36:08.30\00:36:11.30
"And every spirit
that does not confess
00:36:11.33\00:36:14.80
that Jesus Christ
is come in the flesh,
00:36:14.84\00:36:16.37
is not of God
00:36:16.40\00:36:17.74
and this is the
spirit of the antichrist,
00:36:17.77\00:36:20.44
which you've heard was coming
00:36:20.48\00:36:22.74
and is now
already in the world."
00:36:22.78\00:36:25.01
And finally 2 John 7,
00:36:25.05\00:36:26.75
"For many deceivers
have gone out into the world
00:36:26.78\00:36:29.22
who do not confess Jesus
Christ has come in the flesh.
00:36:29.25\00:36:32.05
This is a deceiver
and an antichrist."
00:36:32.09\00:36:34.16
What spirit do you think
is working in all of them?
00:36:34.19\00:36:35.82
Lying spirit.
00:36:35.86\00:36:37.19
You know, I'd also
add really quickly here,
00:36:37.23\00:36:38.56
you see a lot of these
things of healings going on
00:36:38.59\00:36:40.36
and these mass
healing stuff and.
00:36:40.40\00:36:43.20
The best way to know
whether if it's of God or not,
00:36:43.23\00:36:45.23
is listening to what they say.
00:36:45.27\00:36:46.60
Right, so what you
seeing is example here.
00:36:46.63\00:36:48.94
It's not an isolated
incidence but what happened then
00:36:48.97\00:36:52.41
is still happing today
00:36:52.44\00:36:54.38
and when a prophet of
God heard what they've said,
00:36:54.41\00:36:58.01
he said "That's a lie."
00:36:58.05\00:37:00.28
There's not a
spirit of God in him
00:37:00.32\00:37:02.25
and it's all through the Bible.
00:37:02.28\00:37:03.92
Elijah and Elisha, give me a
double portion of the spirit,
00:37:03.95\00:37:07.79
these men tell the truth.
00:37:07.82\00:37:09.16
But false prophets
that ask for the spirit
00:37:09.19\00:37:11.39
and there's so many examples.
00:37:11.43\00:37:12.76
In the New Testament,
00:37:12.79\00:37:14.13
when the apostles
were performing miracles.
00:37:14.16\00:37:15.50
One person says,
"Hey, I want the same power,
00:37:15.53\00:37:17.80
what did the
demons do to that man?"
00:37:17.83\00:37:19.77
Tore him up.
00:37:19.80\00:37:21.14
Tore his clothes up,
00:37:21.17\00:37:22.50
went into streets running naked,
00:37:22.54\00:37:23.87
you cannot, God never
allows his Holy Spirit
00:37:23.91\00:37:27.58
to work in someone whose
life is not dedicated to him.
00:37:27.61\00:37:30.58
That's simply what that is.
00:37:30.61\00:37:31.95
Now, this is an easy transition
to our topic for today.
00:37:31.98\00:37:34.32
Oh, it is, it very much is.
00:37:34.35\00:37:36.18
And by the way,
in transitioning,
00:37:36.22\00:37:37.65
if you have any
question you want to send to us,
00:37:37.69\00:37:39.75
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00:37:39.79\00:37:41.46
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00:37:41.49\00:37:46.76
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00:37:46.80\00:37:48.13
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00:37:48.16\00:37:50.77
So, do us a favor
00:37:50.80\00:37:52.23
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00:37:52.27\00:37:54.30
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00:37:54.34\00:37:55.67
Transition, John,
into the topic today.
00:37:55.70\00:37:57.91
Yeah, our topic today
is about "The Afterlife."
00:37:57.94\00:38:02.61
And even more than
that, I think the question
00:38:02.64\00:38:04.58
that we often hear and see,
00:38:04.61\00:38:07.08
we feel frequently
from people as pastors is,
00:38:07.12\00:38:11.02
you know what happens
when my Mom or Dad dies,
00:38:11.05\00:38:13.25
you know, where
are they are going?
00:38:13.29\00:38:14.62
What's going to become of them?
00:38:14.66\00:38:15.99
And there is a bit
of anxiety out there,
00:38:16.02\00:38:17.83
especially today
with the afterlife
00:38:17.86\00:38:20.76
and connections as
well to the after world,
00:38:20.80\00:38:23.16
with the other world.
00:38:23.20\00:38:25.60
Today I'm amazed,
John, at the programs
00:38:25.63\00:38:27.70
how they have become so
overtly spiritualistic today.
00:38:27.74\00:38:31.91
Because, I'll tell you back
when I was young growing up,
00:38:31.94\00:38:34.21
you didn't seen this stuff on TV
00:38:34.24\00:38:35.78
but, now it's a
regular thing to have,
00:38:35.81\00:38:38.88
you know, the
ghost chasers and--
00:38:38.91\00:38:42.55
Ghost whisperers?
00:38:42.58\00:38:43.92
Ghost whisperers
is an actual program.
00:38:43.95\00:38:45.79
You know, I'm
talking about like the,
00:38:45.82\00:38:47.16
the guys they go out
and search for ghosts
00:38:47.19\00:38:49.72
in haunted houses and
things and their encounters.
00:38:49.76\00:38:52.89
But everything is, they're
pursuing this spiritual world.
00:38:52.93\00:38:56.77
They want the knowledge of that.
00:38:56.80\00:38:58.63
And let me tell you,
the devil is all too willing
00:38:58.67\00:39:00.97
to give them that
experience they're looking for.
00:39:01.00\00:39:03.87
And of course he couches that,
he shares that in a good light,
00:39:03.91\00:39:07.24
you know sometime we hear
of, you know witches aren't bad,
00:39:07.28\00:39:10.25
all witches aren't bad,
00:39:10.28\00:39:11.61
you know the bad
witches deal with black magic
00:39:11.65\00:39:13.75
and the good witches, you
know, deal with good things
00:39:13.78\00:39:16.92
and so it kind of
tries to paint a smooth,
00:39:16.95\00:39:20.29
a kind of a good
picture of the wicked host
00:39:20.32\00:39:25.43
and what they do.
00:39:25.46\00:39:26.80
Now they don't
realize that they're wicked,
00:39:26.83\00:39:28.26
but, indeed they are, and so,
00:39:28.30\00:39:31.33
we want to kind of come
at this in a practical way?
00:39:31.37\00:39:34.07
I think we're not trying
to be text intensive this time
00:39:34.10\00:39:37.97
because we
covered this topic before.
00:39:38.01\00:39:39.61
But we surely want
to give Bibles verses.
00:39:39.64\00:39:40.98
Oh, yeah, absolutely,
we're gonna give you Bible text,
00:39:41.01\00:39:42.88
but we want to talk
about it in a practical way
00:39:42.91\00:39:46.38
and approach it in
light of the questions
00:39:46.41\00:39:48.78
we know that are out there.
00:39:48.82\00:39:50.15
Right, you know two
of the passages that are,
00:39:50.19\00:39:51.82
I want to ask
you to go to Job 7:10
00:39:51.85\00:39:56.42
and we're gonna begin
with Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 6.
00:39:56.46\00:40:00.80
These two passages
establish, you know,
00:40:00.83\00:40:03.90
we're not gonna
be talking about,
00:40:03.93\00:40:05.47
when people go to heaven
00:40:05.50\00:40:09.14
but surely they do not
go at the time of death.
00:40:09.17\00:40:11.87
We're gonna establish
more of the whole conversation
00:40:11.91\00:40:15.58
about the afterlife.
00:40:15.61\00:40:16.95
That has been the consuming,
00:40:16.98\00:40:18.31
and thank you, John,
for bringing that up.
00:40:18.35\00:40:19.68
That has been the consummation
of this market today,
00:40:19.71\00:40:24.42
the market has been inundated
00:40:24.45\00:40:26.72
with things about the afterlife.
00:40:26.76\00:40:30.63
I saw an advertisement for,
00:40:30.66\00:40:32.13
it's like NYPD,
00:40:36.23\00:40:39.80
NYPD something like
New York Police Department.
00:40:39.83\00:40:42.40
But the commercial
look like, people that,
00:40:42.44\00:40:46.64
police that had died,
00:40:46.68\00:40:48.58
were now
assigned to spirit cases
00:40:48.61\00:40:52.98
in different locations,
00:40:53.01\00:40:54.88
these, they were still police
but in an afterlife sense.
00:40:54.92\00:40:57.99
And I'm thinking,
this is so ridiculous,
00:40:58.02\00:40:59.79
but you know what happens,
00:40:59.82\00:41:01.16
when people don't have
a foundation in scriptures
00:41:01.19\00:41:03.09
these verses, these things
00:41:03.12\00:41:04.69
begin to plant
thoughts in their minds
00:41:04.73\00:41:06.53
that long enough you could
look at things long enough,
00:41:06.56\00:41:09.96
they start making
inroads into your mind
00:41:10.00\00:41:12.53
and make you think that,
this is how it really is.
00:41:12.57\00:41:14.27
But let's start with
a couple of passages.
00:41:14.30\00:41:17.27
One of those that
makes it very clear
00:41:17.31\00:41:19.51
that when life ceases,
00:41:19.54\00:41:21.48
there's no more
continuation after that
00:41:21.51\00:41:23.14
is Ecclesiastes 9:5
00:41:23.18\00:41:25.61
and I'm in the New
Kings James Version,
00:41:25.65\00:41:27.55
"For the living
know that they will die,
00:41:27.58\00:41:29.52
but the dead know nothing."
00:41:29.55\00:41:32.82
Kings James, "No, not anything
and they have no more reward,
00:41:32.85\00:41:38.53
for the memory of
them is forgotten."
00:41:38.56\00:41:40.60
That means their
memories cease to function.
00:41:40.63\00:41:43.97
Verse 6, "Also
their love, their hatred,
00:41:44.00\00:41:48.00
their envy have now perished.
00:41:48.04\00:41:50.64
Nevermore will they have a share
00:41:50.67\00:41:54.24
in anything done under the sun."
00:41:54.28\00:41:57.88
So, when you have these people
as you gave the illustration,
00:41:57.91\00:42:01.48
going into houses,
with these machines there,
00:42:01.52\00:42:05.72
I'm listening for certain sounds
00:42:05.75\00:42:07.69
and certain tones.
00:42:07.72\00:42:10.09
Oh, there was
just a rush of air.
00:42:10.13\00:42:12.66
I think one just passed by us.
00:42:12.69\00:42:14.90
You know, this is so dramatic
and so cynical in the sense,
00:42:14.93\00:42:18.00
but that's what
they're doing nowadays.
00:42:18.03\00:42:19.37
They're trying to
find these spirits.
00:42:19.40\00:42:20.87
Oh, and then they had
a commercial once that,
00:42:20.90\00:42:24.47
will you spend a
night in this house
00:42:24.51\00:42:26.57
for $100,000 I
said, yes, I will.
00:42:26.61\00:42:31.68
I'll be glad to spend a night
at that house for a $100,000
00:42:31.71\00:42:34.12
because there's
nothing in there.
00:42:34.15\00:42:35.48
That's right.
00:42:35.52\00:42:36.85
Because, I know the
reality of the after,
00:42:36.89\00:42:39.35
I know the reality of
when the dead are dead,
00:42:39.39\00:42:41.42
but I also acknowledge the
fact that evil spirits do exist.
00:42:41.46\00:42:44.59
But I have no fear
because my God is my protector.
00:42:44.63\00:42:47.10
He also said the safest
place to be on any given night
00:42:47.13\00:42:50.50
is in the graveyard.
00:42:50.53\00:42:51.87
Yeah, you want to
have a peaceful rest?
00:42:51.90\00:42:53.67
Nobody will mug
you in the graveyard,
00:42:53.70\00:42:56.04
in New York City.
00:42:56.07\00:42:57.41
They ain't coming in there.
00:42:57.44\00:42:59.21
So but, but now let's
go ahead this passage,
00:42:59.24\00:43:01.74
so first of all, the living
know that they're gonna die.
00:43:01.78\00:43:04.98
You know the older we get John,
00:43:05.01\00:43:06.92
the more we start
thinking about mortality
00:43:06.95\00:43:09.45
and we go from
plans for college,
00:43:09.48\00:43:12.59
plans for family
to the word legacy.
00:43:12.62\00:43:16.73
Because we know
that this is eventual,
00:43:16.76\00:43:18.99
but so, so what
happens if I, if somebody dies,
00:43:19.03\00:43:22.60
you know, we take
him to the cemetery.
00:43:22.63\00:43:23.97
What does the Bible say?
00:43:24.00\00:43:26.07
Will I smell them,
will they be in house
00:43:26.10\00:43:28.44
moving clocks and
numbers and all that?
00:43:28.47\00:43:30.11
What does the passage say?
00:43:30.14\00:43:31.47
Not at all, I fact
I'm gonna read from,
00:43:31.51\00:43:33.01
I think I'm in Job...
00:43:33.04\00:43:34.74
Seven. Seven.
00:43:34.78\00:43:36.18
And I will start with verse 7,
00:43:36.21\00:43:38.35
"Oh, remember that
my life is a breath.
00:43:38.38\00:43:41.25
My eye will never
see, again see good.
00:43:41.28\00:43:44.65
The eye of him who
sees me will see me no more.
00:43:44.69\00:43:47.76
While your eyes are upon
me, I shall no longer be."
00:43:47.79\00:43:50.53
That's right.
00:43:50.56\00:43:51.89
"As the cloud
disappears and vanishes away.
00:43:51.93\00:43:54.13
So, he who goes
down to the grave
00:43:54.16\00:43:55.83
does not come up.
00:43:55.86\00:43:57.70
He shall never
return to his house
00:43:57.73\00:44:00.00
nor shall his
place know him anymore."
00:44:00.04\00:44:02.97
Is that clear? Yeah.
00:44:03.00\00:44:05.44
You can't get any
clearer than that.
00:44:05.47\00:44:08.24
The person is saying,
"The eyes that see me,"
00:44:08.28\00:44:12.11
I like that "The
eyes of him who sees me
00:44:12.15\00:44:15.38
will see me no more."
00:44:15.42\00:44:17.29
In other words, I'll
use a story, one lady said,
00:44:17.32\00:44:21.99
she, I got a call from
a young man in Florida,
00:44:22.02\00:44:24.29
and this story is
repeated once on a program
00:44:24.33\00:44:26.66
but, the little boy said,
00:44:26.70\00:44:28.03
his mother kept
visiting him in his room.
00:44:28.06\00:44:30.13
Little young
Adventist boy and he says,
00:44:30.17\00:44:33.94
with that
southern accent, "sir,"
00:44:33.97\00:44:36.27
I said next time this
happens, I told him what to do
00:44:36.30\00:44:39.27
and it never happened again,
00:44:39.31\00:44:40.64
and there are
people that say, you know,
00:44:40.68\00:44:42.48
one mother said,
I saw my daughter
00:44:42.51\00:44:44.25
appear in the
kitchen while I was cooking
00:44:44.28\00:44:46.11
because I missed her so much.
00:44:46.15\00:44:47.48
She had died about a
month and a half earlier,
00:44:47.52\00:44:49.05
I wanted so badly to embrace her
00:44:49.08\00:44:50.75
but I knew that
was an evil spirit
00:44:50.79\00:44:52.69
and she called on God's
name and whatever she said,
00:44:52.72\00:44:57.99
she said this
apparition vanished
00:44:58.03\00:45:00.96
and never saw it again
and that's what happens here.
00:45:01.00\00:45:03.63
So, will a person see
the person that dies again?
00:45:03.67\00:45:06.57
Yes or No? No.
00:45:06.60\00:45:08.90
See?
00:45:08.94\00:45:10.27
So you see these
are, what are these?
00:45:10.31\00:45:11.81
What's happening here?
00:45:11.84\00:45:14.24
To me, well, a
death, clearly there is,
00:45:14.28\00:45:16.51
there is a rest in the grave.
00:45:16.54\00:45:18.75
There is no longer a continuance
00:45:18.78\00:45:20.58
on anything that
happens under the sun,
00:45:20.62\00:45:22.32
Ecclesiastes
talks about the events
00:45:22.35\00:45:23.95
that happen on this
earth, they have no influence
00:45:23.99\00:45:25.65
or involvement with.
00:45:25.69\00:45:27.76
That Job 14 says,
00:45:27.79\00:45:29.69
that he will wait
until his change comes.
00:45:29.72\00:45:32.89
Rest in the grave
until that change happens,
00:45:32.93\00:45:34.73
we know of course
from 1 Corinthians 15,
00:45:34.76\00:45:37.50
that change occurs
at the second coming,
00:45:37.53\00:45:39.40
at the resurrection.
00:45:39.43\00:45:40.77
That's right.
00:45:40.80\00:45:42.57
So one of the things
that's amazing to me John,
00:45:42.60\00:45:43.94
is how accepting
00:45:43.97\00:45:48.14
that the dead
continue on in the afterlife,
00:45:48.18\00:45:51.05
in consciousness.
00:45:51.08\00:45:52.61
How that is so
destructive to the resurrection.
00:45:52.65\00:45:57.22
Right, it's like
it has been cancelled.
00:45:57.25\00:45:58.69
It cancels the need for,
00:45:58.72\00:46:00.56
it makes the resurrection just
kind of an anticlimactic event.
00:46:00.59\00:46:03.43
Right.
00:46:03.46\00:46:04.79
When the second
coming is all about
00:46:04.83\00:46:07.73
bringing all the
saints back together with him
00:46:07.76\00:46:10.50
to heaven at the same time,
00:46:10.53\00:46:12.47
it's a great reunion
that happens of all the ages,
00:46:12.50\00:46:15.64
of all the people
that are followers of Jesus
00:46:15.67\00:46:18.87
back to heaven with Him
and yet it's anticlimactic
00:46:18.91\00:46:22.41
because you know
what, the teaching goes,
00:46:22.44\00:46:25.51
that Jesus brings all
those that have already died
00:46:25.55\00:46:27.78
back with him to this earth
00:46:27.82\00:46:29.52
instead of going
from earth to heaven
00:46:29.55\00:46:31.05
after a resurrection,
the resurrection's gone.
00:46:31.09\00:46:33.66
Right, the resurrection
has been almost deleted.
00:46:33.69\00:46:35.82
And then the answer is,
00:46:35.86\00:46:37.19
well, the only reason the
resurrection is happening,
00:46:37.23\00:46:39.06
the reason why it's important
is so we can get new bodies.
00:46:39.09\00:46:42.96
It, it's so now following
that train of thought through.
00:46:43.00\00:46:47.34
If they are in
heaven, we know they're not,
00:46:47.37\00:46:49.64
I want to make sure so that
00:46:49.67\00:46:51.01
you don't miss the
portion of the program.
00:46:51.04\00:46:53.44
They're not in
heaven, but if they were,
00:46:53.48\00:46:55.64
what form are they there?
00:46:55.68\00:46:57.05
Some people say, they are
souls and there are spirits,
00:46:57.08\00:47:00.18
but when Jesus
ascended to heaven
00:47:00.22\00:47:01.92
he ascended in a bodily form.
00:47:01.95\00:47:04.39
He did not ascend to
heaven in a spirit form.
00:47:04.42\00:47:06.72
Acts 1, the same
Jesus that you have seen,
00:47:06.76\00:47:09.79
that you have seen go,
00:47:09.82\00:47:12.03
you will see him
coming like manner
00:47:12.06\00:47:14.43
as you have seen him go.
00:47:14.46\00:47:15.83
He went visibly,
they saw the nail prints,
00:47:15.86\00:47:18.93
they saw the hole in the side.
00:47:18.97\00:47:21.04
When He was resurrected,
He had a physical body,
00:47:21.07\00:47:23.84
but that was a glorified body,
00:47:23.87\00:47:26.57
people have gotten
this idea of spirit
00:47:26.61\00:47:28.84
and spiritual mixed up.
00:47:28.88\00:47:30.75
Paul the apostle
talks about spiritual bodies
00:47:30.78\00:47:33.68
not spirit bodies,
but some denominations,
00:47:33.72\00:47:37.42
some large
denominations talk about spirits
00:47:37.45\00:47:41.02
that existed prior
to the earthly birth,
00:47:41.06\00:47:43.39
these spirits come
down and get into the body
00:47:43.43\00:47:46.23
and then when they die,
the spirit goes back up,
00:47:46.26\00:47:48.96
and this is like
the spirit conveyer belt
00:47:49.00\00:47:51.23
that happens back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth
00:47:51.27\00:47:53.97
that all these spirit
gods are making spirit babies
00:47:54.00\00:47:57.37
and sending them to the earth
00:47:57.41\00:47:58.74
that they come
into the baby's body
00:47:58.77\00:48:00.68
at the time of birth,
00:48:00.71\00:48:02.04
so they're kind
of hanging out inside
00:48:02.08\00:48:03.41
until they die and they go back.
00:48:03.45\00:48:05.55
That's the concepts that exist
00:48:05.58\00:48:07.42
on a large,
large worldwide scale
00:48:07.45\00:48:11.09
through a
particular denomination.
00:48:11.12\00:48:12.62
Yeah, and it's the concept
of what we once referred to
00:48:12.65\00:48:15.42
as the immortal soul.
00:48:15.46\00:48:17.33
That's right.
00:48:17.36\00:48:18.69
Immortality, here's the
amazing part about that is,
00:48:18.73\00:48:21.93
that as human beings,
the Bible is very clear
00:48:21.96\00:48:26.27
that we have today
in our sinful state,
00:48:26.30\00:48:28.77
we have lost immortality.
00:48:28.80\00:48:31.57
Right.
00:48:31.61\00:48:32.94
Yet, to embrace the
teaching of the immortal soul,
00:48:32.97\00:48:36.31
you have to retain it.
00:48:36.34\00:48:39.48
And in fact, the
Bible says very clearly
00:48:39.51\00:48:41.15
that the reason
why God sent an angel
00:48:41.18\00:48:43.49
to guard the gate and
access to the tree of life
00:48:43.52\00:48:49.09
is because, He did
not want Adam and Eve
00:48:49.12\00:48:51.29
who now were sinners to
have, to be immortal sinners.
00:48:51.33\00:48:54.96
So there is proof right there
00:48:55.00\00:48:56.33
that they had
lost their immortality
00:48:56.36\00:48:57.90
yet we as a church, at large,
00:48:57.93\00:49:00.30
I'm talking about
most churches still teach
00:49:00.34\00:49:02.87
that we have an immortal soul.
00:49:02.90\00:49:04.34
Right, and immortality
even to build strongly on that,
00:49:04.37\00:49:09.58
God never created Adam and Eve,
00:49:09.61\00:49:11.41
they were not
immoral at the creation,
00:49:11.45\00:49:14.05
they would have received
the gift of eternal life
00:49:14.08\00:49:16.05
on the condition of obedience.
00:49:16.08\00:49:18.92
If Adam and Eve were
immoral, they couldn't have died
00:49:18.95\00:49:21.59
and so that test came to them
00:49:21.62\00:49:22.99
because they did
not have the mortality.
00:49:23.02\00:49:25.23
If they have been obedient
they would have received,
00:49:25.26\00:49:27.26
so Romans 6:23, "The
wages of sin is death,
00:49:27.30\00:49:31.30
but the gift of
God is eternal life
00:49:31.33\00:49:32.80
through Jesus Christ our Lord."
00:49:32.83\00:49:34.27
That was true from
the very beginning,
00:49:34.30\00:49:35.80
that was not just true
in the New Testament times,
00:49:35.84\00:49:37.74
that was always true.
00:49:37.77\00:49:39.11
So when a person is
obedient, what do they get?
00:49:39.14\00:49:41.01
The gift of the eternal life.
00:49:41.04\00:49:43.08
So this whole idea
00:49:43.11\00:49:44.45
that immortality is the natural
property of the human being,
00:49:44.48\00:49:47.42
the Bible says
in 1 Timothy 6:16,
00:49:47.45\00:49:49.98
speaking of God who alone,
who alone has immortality.
00:49:50.02\00:49:55.32
He's the only one that has
it but then in 2 Timothy 1:10
00:49:55.36\00:49:59.16
speaks about how we're gonna it.
00:49:59.19\00:50:00.63
The gospel brings
immortality, the Bible says,
00:50:00.66\00:50:03.37
and I'll just read it,
but, speaking of the gospel,
00:50:03.40\00:50:07.14
"but has now been revealed
00:50:07.17\00:50:08.57
by the appearing of
our savior, Jesus Christ,
00:50:08.60\00:50:10.94
who has abolished death
00:50:10.97\00:50:12.84
and brought life
and immortality to light
00:50:12.87\00:50:16.85
through the gospel."
00:50:16.88\00:50:18.21
So the immortality
that we're gonna posses
00:50:18.25\00:50:20.28
when we put on immortality."
00:50:20.32\00:50:21.65
1 Corinthians 15:53 and 55,
"When we put on immortality,
00:50:21.68\00:50:26.69
that will happen
at the final trump."
00:50:26.72\00:50:28.26
But doesn't happen at death.
00:50:28.29\00:50:29.89
There's no life
outside of having our body.
00:50:29.92\00:50:33.60
Wonderfully
said. Perfectly said.
00:50:33.63\00:50:35.26
The Bible speaks of no
life outside of our body.
00:50:35.30\00:50:37.90
That's right.
00:50:37.93\00:50:39.27
You know, this is
one of the problems
00:50:39.30\00:50:40.70
why scientists
have issues with faith.
00:50:40.74\00:50:45.77
Hmm. Sure. Now
let me explain myself.
00:50:45.81\00:50:47.71
Scientists know,
and doctors know,
00:50:47.74\00:50:53.35
they know that our brain,
and the cells it contains,
00:50:53.38\00:50:58.42
and the ability it retains
to be able to give us thought
00:50:58.45\00:51:02.06
is what drives men and women,
00:51:02.09\00:51:04.26
us to process
information into thinking,
00:51:04.29\00:51:06.23
to have a cognitive ability.
00:51:06.26\00:51:10.20
And when we start
talking about it as Christians,
00:51:10.23\00:51:12.27
as Christians talk
about the afterlife
00:51:12.30\00:51:14.34
and the soul leaves the
body, and the brain behind,
00:51:14.37\00:51:18.94
that there's this
conscious existence.
00:51:18.97\00:51:21.88
It sounds
ludicrous to them. Right.
00:51:21.91\00:51:24.58
It sounds ignorant to them
00:51:24.61\00:51:27.02
because the brain is
what gives us thought.
00:51:27.05\00:51:31.45
The brain is what
causes to be alive,
00:51:31.49\00:51:33.66
and when the brain dies,
00:51:33.69\00:51:35.49
and it returns to
dust in the grave,
00:51:35.52\00:51:37.96
how can you as Christians say
00:51:37.99\00:51:40.30
that you have consciousness
apart from your brain?
00:51:40.33\00:51:44.97
Right. Okay, wonderfully said.
00:51:45.00\00:51:47.70
It doesn't make
any sense to them
00:51:47.74\00:51:49.14
and so they, they
see this as a oxymoron,
00:51:49.17\00:51:52.91
the impossibility, faith
00:51:52.94\00:51:55.11
and believing that
kind of stuff in science.
00:51:55.14\00:51:57.18
No, no, no, that's impossible.
00:51:57.21\00:51:59.55
But if we just
understood it biblically,
00:51:59.58\00:52:03.05
they wouldn't have the
barrier, at least in this regard
00:52:03.08\00:52:06.65
because scientists,
we agree with science,
00:52:06.69\00:52:09.59
the Bible agrees with
science in that when you die
00:52:09.62\00:52:12.93
the memories, all the
things that your brain had
00:52:12.96\00:52:15.36
and it had been retaining
for years that you learned,
00:52:15.40\00:52:17.50
that ceases along with it.
00:52:17.53\00:52:19.37
And when God raises
you up in the resurrection,
00:52:19.40\00:52:22.74
hopefully the
first resurrection,
00:52:22.77\00:52:24.37
but when you are raised up,
00:52:24.41\00:52:26.84
you are able then to
resume what you had known
00:52:26.88\00:52:30.75
and continue to
learn going forward.
00:52:30.78\00:52:33.42
But your brain
00:52:33.45\00:52:34.78
is what gives you the
ability to learn to function,
00:52:34.82\00:52:36.65
that gives you consciousness.
00:52:36.69\00:52:38.32
It is impossibility
00:52:38.35\00:52:39.75
that the soul has
that apart from your body.
00:52:39.79\00:52:42.26
You know when the Bible says
00:52:42.29\00:52:43.63
in that day his
thoughts perished,
00:52:43.66\00:52:44.99
Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 6 say,
00:52:45.03\00:52:46.66
or in that very day
his thoughts perish,
00:52:46.70\00:52:50.40
that's why there is no
such thing as brain transplants
00:52:50.43\00:52:54.50
because the seed
of your thoughts,
00:52:54.54\00:52:56.84
this, this, allow me to
use the phrase loosely here,
00:52:56.87\00:52:59.91
this groovy grey matter,
00:52:59.94\00:53:02.94
when I say groovy
because all the grooves
00:53:02.98\00:53:04.75
are places where
thoughts have been created.
00:53:04.78\00:53:08.28
We think of somebody says,
00:53:08.32\00:53:09.65
"Well, if you
have a smooth brain,
00:53:09.68\00:53:11.02
you're an idiot," I
mean, literally speaking
00:53:11.05\00:53:13.66
because these grooves are all
created by new though patterns,
00:53:13.69\00:53:17.86
new branches, I'm
using very layman's terms,
00:53:17.89\00:53:23.26
when new thoughts,
they fire then you continue.
00:53:23.30\00:53:26.50
Like somebody does something
for the very first time,
00:53:26.53\00:53:29.07
like when I first
took up calculus, huh,
00:53:29.10\00:53:32.14
I had no clue
what I was looking at,
00:53:32.17\00:53:34.58
but after about
two or three months,
00:53:34.61\00:53:36.75
man, I was so
proficient at it then
00:53:36.78\00:53:38.15
when I went to
college and was taken,
00:53:38.18\00:53:39.78
I got math books at
home in my library now,
00:53:39.81\00:53:42.82
I open that book, I have
no clue what I'm looking at.
00:53:42.85\00:53:46.79
And I was a
master at that in school.
00:53:46.82\00:53:49.16
Yeah. Why?
00:53:49.19\00:53:50.53
Because I have
not exercised that,
00:53:50.56\00:53:51.89
and all those grooves
that were created there
00:53:51.93\00:53:53.46
have ceased to function.
00:53:53.50\00:53:54.86
In other words,
they stopped firing
00:53:54.90\00:53:56.23
because I didn't start
continue to feed those thoughts.
00:53:56.26\00:53:58.93
One of the reasons why people
believe the things they do
00:53:58.97\00:54:01.17
is because
somewhere along the line
00:54:01.20\00:54:02.77
the thought is planted
00:54:02.80\00:54:04.51
which the brain accepts
and it fires, it ignites,
00:54:04.54\00:54:07.48
and they continue feeding that.
00:54:07.51\00:54:08.98
There's a book called,
"Evidence of the Afterlife:
00:54:09.01\00:54:10.95
The Science of
Near-Death Experiences."
00:54:10.98\00:54:13.88
I'm not gonna give
you the author's name
00:54:13.92\00:54:15.55
'cause I don't
think you should read it,
00:54:15.58\00:54:16.99
but they said
this is the evidence,
00:54:17.02\00:54:18.45
a scientific
evidence of the afterlife,
00:54:18.49\00:54:21.39
and the persons
that wrote the book,
00:54:21.42\00:54:24.26
I'll say that, well,
00:54:24.29\00:54:25.63
one of the first
things they did was,
00:54:25.66\00:54:28.10
they measured the weight
of the person prior to death
00:54:28.13\00:54:30.50
and right after
death and they said,
00:54:30.53\00:54:31.87
"Oh, there's a
few grams difference."
00:54:31.90\00:54:34.37
So that must've meant
this so, no, that speculative,
00:54:34.40\00:54:37.07
that must mean
the soul departed.
00:54:37.11\00:54:39.67
And you get all these
books, Near Death Experiences,
00:54:39.71\00:54:42.38
Out of Body Experiences,
The Tunnel of Light,
00:54:42.41\00:54:44.75
and The Bright Light,
Seeing Angels during NDEs,
00:54:44.78\00:54:48.42
seeing deceased family members
during near death experiences.
00:54:48.45\00:54:51.59
Well, you know, how
you see family members
00:54:51.62\00:54:52.95
during near death experiences?
00:54:52.99\00:54:55.39
Dr. Dean Edell, an ABC doctor,
00:54:55.42\00:54:57.29
many years ago when
I was in California,
00:54:57.33\00:54:59.19
I used to watch him on ABC News.
00:54:59.23\00:55:01.36
he came up with a medical reason
00:55:01.40\00:55:02.83
why you see these
apparitions in your brain.
00:55:02.86\00:55:05.13
He said in 80
percent of those cases,
00:55:05.17\00:55:08.44
these were beliefs
00:55:08.47\00:55:09.80
that the person
embodied already.
00:55:09.84\00:55:12.37
Either
theologically, spiritually.
00:55:12.41\00:55:14.21
Recorded somewhere,
too. Or and they embraced it.
00:55:14.24\00:55:17.41
So these thoughts
that were planted there
00:55:17.45\00:55:19.21
begin to fire out
of order, and you think
00:55:19.25\00:55:21.52
it's an
experiences happening now
00:55:21.55\00:55:23.25
when the brain is
holding on for life,
00:55:23.28\00:55:24.99
and it's like a
misfiring, it's like an engine,
00:55:25.02\00:55:27.49
you know, all of a sudden,
00:55:27.52\00:55:29.16
the spark plugs a
firing out of order,
00:55:29.19\00:55:32.06
and this is evidence that,
you know, something is dying.
00:55:32.09\00:55:35.03
The power to
the engine is dying,
00:55:35.06\00:55:36.40
or whatever the case may be.
00:55:36.43\00:55:37.87
But this is how Satan is
able to give you the idea
00:55:37.90\00:55:41.97
of the afterlife.
00:55:42.00\00:55:43.51
It's called familiar spirits.
00:55:43.54\00:55:45.24
So if you know someone that said
00:55:45.27\00:55:46.61
they've seen their mom or dad,
00:55:46.64\00:55:48.04
here's what Bible
says in Leviticus 19:31,
00:55:48.08\00:55:51.15
"Give no regard to
mediums and familiar spirits,
00:55:51.18\00:55:56.02
do not seek after
them to be defiled by them.
00:55:56.05\00:55:58.45
I am the Lord your God."
00:55:58.49\00:55:59.82
So when these talk show
hosts that are the medium,
00:55:59.85\00:56:03.22
the Long Island medium,
00:56:03.26\00:56:04.59
this comedian, blonde hair lady,
00:56:04.63\00:56:06.80
The Long Island
Medium, she has a show,
00:56:06.83\00:56:08.30
where this very
well dressed young man
00:56:08.33\00:56:10.00
who's a in the
yuppie lifestyle, he says,
00:56:10.03\00:56:13.87
"I'm getting
messages from your mother.
00:56:13.90\00:56:15.50
Does a number nine
mean anything to you?"
00:56:15.54\00:56:17.27
These are familiar
spirits, demonic spirits
00:56:17.31\00:56:20.01
that conjure up the
identity of your parents
00:56:20.04\00:56:22.71
and appear to you in
that particular form.
00:56:22.74\00:56:24.55
And not only that,
the ones that are talking
00:56:24.58\00:56:26.31
and revealing
information about the one
00:56:26.35\00:56:27.82
that they're interviewing with?
00:56:27.85\00:56:29.68
This is, they have a connection
in with the demonic world,
00:56:29.72\00:56:32.82
and they're giving information,
00:56:32.85\00:56:34.52
they're
impressed with information
00:56:34.56\00:56:35.89
about the
individual they're talking to.
00:56:35.92\00:56:37.66
So we think of it as "Wow!
00:56:37.69\00:56:39.33
What amazing things,
they got so much power,
00:56:39.36\00:56:41.20
no one could've known that.
00:56:41.23\00:56:42.56
Are you kidding me?
The devil knows that.
00:56:42.60\00:56:43.93
Right. They've been around.
00:56:43.97\00:56:45.30
These demons have been
around, they've seen this
00:56:45.33\00:56:46.67
and they give that information
00:56:46.70\00:56:48.04
to the person you're talking to.
00:56:48.07\00:56:49.40
You know, if a chord can trace
00:56:49.44\00:56:51.91
all the calls you
made on your cell phone,
00:56:51.94\00:56:53.51
don't you think
that these evil demons
00:56:53.54\00:56:54.94
that have been
around can trace your life
00:56:54.98\00:56:56.78
and bring up back certain things
00:56:56.81\00:56:58.15
to make a person
believe that you are alive?
00:56:58.18\00:56:59.98
Yeah.
00:57:00.02\00:57:01.35
Yeah, it truly is something
that I think not only are,
00:57:01.38\00:57:03.79
is interested in is the world
interested in, the society,
00:57:03.82\00:57:05.49
especially our
society in America
00:57:05.52\00:57:06.86
is interested in today,
00:57:06.89\00:57:08.22
but it's something that
the devil's getting bored.
00:57:08.26\00:57:11.09
And he's just,
he's playing a bit,
00:57:11.13\00:57:13.16
and I think he is more and more,
00:57:13.19\00:57:14.90
he is having fun with this,
00:57:14.93\00:57:17.50
and as we continue into our
next program with this topic
00:57:17.53\00:57:20.24
we want to kind of expose
some of this tactics today.
00:57:20.27\00:57:23.41
That's right, and so friends
continue studying your Bible
00:57:23.44\00:57:25.31
because here at
House Calls, we believe
00:57:25.34\00:57:28.18
that the best foundation
for truth is God's word.
00:57:28.21\00:57:31.71
Study it and
you'll not be deceived.
00:57:31.75\00:57:33.45
God bless you.
00:57:33.48\00:57:34.82