Hello, friends, grab
your Bible and a friend.
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And sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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Welcome to House Calls.
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We are trying our best to
coordinate the shirt colors.
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And I think today is
probably really close.
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But anyway,
that's not the point.
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We're glad that you've
chosen to tune in today
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to join us for another hour
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or thoughtful
hour in Bible study
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and responding
to your questions,
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also addressing the topic
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which is something
that we find great joy
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and pleasure in.
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And not only that
there are many people
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that are watching and
listening to this program
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that wants to know
what God's Word says.
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So thank you for
tuning into House Calls.
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We chose that title
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because God wants to
make a call on your house.
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And it's an old term,
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you know that a lot of doctors
don't make house calls anymore.
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But we want you to
know that our doctor
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and our Savior Jesus
still makes house calls.
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So thank you for allowing
us to come into your house.
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No pun intended.
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However, before we
get to our Bible questions
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and our comments,
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John, it's good to
have you here today with me.
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It's great to be here.
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How about you have
prayer for us before
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we go any further?
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Let's do that.
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Dear Father in heaven,
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we thank You again
for this special hour
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that we get to spend
with You from week to week.
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And we pray that
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You would be here
with us yet again.
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We depend upon You to guide
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and walk us through Your Word.
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We invite Your Spirit
to guide us into all truth.
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Work on our minds and our hearts
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so that we might
receive from You that
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what You wish to
teach us here today.
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In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
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Now those of you
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And attention House
Calls or John and John,
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and we will get those questions.
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But, John, what do
you have for us today?
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I like that you always lead out,
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it's really good.
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Well, this is a gentleman
that's asking a question.
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He's a new Adventist. Okay.
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And really he's excited
about the things he's learning.
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He says he agrees with
especially our teaching
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on death and soul sleep,
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and says however, though,
that he likes us to cover
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a different aspect of it.
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Okay.
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Apparently, some
have advocated that
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when Jesus died on the cross,
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He says that
that changed the time
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as to when we
are allowed in heaven
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that our change
would actually come
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as Job talks about it.
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And he references that,
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he says that the cross change
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the time when
our change, "comes,"
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according to Job.
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And in other words,
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did Jesus dying on
the cross possibly change
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when the new covenant people
get their glorified bodies?
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And anyway,
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it's a question that clearly
is addressed in scripture.
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And we'll just
cover a couple of them
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to point out that this
is not in fact the case.
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The first thing I
would say to though is,
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remember, Christ on the
cross was prefigured way back
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and symbolize way back
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during the two
altars of Cain and Abel.
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God asked them to bring a lamb.
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And that was a symbol of who?
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Jesus who would
die on the cross.
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And so that
crucifixion was inevitable,
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from the very time after
sin first entered the world
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and symbolized by Abel's,
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especially Abel's altar.
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And so it's
been part of His plan
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that people would wait.
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And so Job
speaking in this context
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'cause Job is living in
a time prior to the cross.
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And I'm just
gonna read this passage
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from Job that is
being referred to here.
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Verse 12 of Chapter 14,
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"So man lies down
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and does not rise.
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Till the heavens are no more,
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they will not awake nor
be roused from their sleep.
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Oh, that You would
hide me in the grave,
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that You would conceal
me until your wrath is past,
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that You would
appoint me a set time,
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and remember me!"
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And so I know.
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And then he goes on
the last verse, verse 14,
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"If a man dies,
shall he live again?
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All the days of my hard service
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I will wait,
till my change comes."
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And that's the
word he was using here
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with regard to
when the change happens.
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Well, first of
all we find that Job
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is talking about
when this change happens
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and that is after
God's wrath has come.
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Right.
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And that wrath is spoken of
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in many places
through the Bible,
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but specifically
if you wanna look
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on a chronological basis,
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you'll find that in
Revelation Chapter 16,
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with the bowls of wrath.
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That's right.
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These are poured out
after the close of probation,
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the period of time
where man has a decision
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to make for
Christ or against Him.
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That's right.
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So after that time happens,
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we know Jesus comes
and the change occurs.
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And this is where I know
also that Paul speaks of it.
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You may have the
verse from 1 Thessalonians,
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do you have that one?
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And in 1
Thessalonians Chapter 15.
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It tells us when this change...
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1 Corinthians 15.
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What did I say? Thessalonians?
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- Thessalonians. - Okay,
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1 Corinthians 15:51, "Behold,
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I tell you a mystery.
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We shall not all sleep,
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but we shall all be changed."
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What I wanna
point out right there
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is this we shall all be changed.
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Together.
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The change
happens to all not some,
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then in some later on.
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And when does this change occur?
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"In a moment, in
the twinkling of an eye,
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at the last trumpet.
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For the trumpet will sound,
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and the dead will be
raised incorruptible,
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and we shall be changed."
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You notice the word we,
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we, we, we, we shall all.
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This happens at the
same time for everyone,
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and John 5:28-29
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segments those
categories into two,
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the resurrection of life,
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the
resurrection of condemnation.
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So it's not, it didn't change
one of the elements John...
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One of the reasons
I'm glad this question
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comes up is because
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there's this
floating exegetical concept,
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you know, exegesis
where the Bible doesn't say,
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concept that's floating
out there in Christianity,
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almost as though
there was an alternate route
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added after the
crucifixion of Jesus,
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that people can
now make their way
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to heaven another way,
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but I wanna point out something
that was so repetitively
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talked about in
Jesus' time by Christ.
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When He said to His disciples,
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"I go to prepare a place for you
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and I will come again
and receive you to Myself."
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That's the
statement Jesus made clearly.
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I will receive you to Myself,
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that where I am in heaven,
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there you may be also.
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When does that
entrance into heaven happen?
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When he comes
again to receive us?
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We don't go to meet Him.
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He comes to get us.
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And when He
comes, 1 Thessalonians 4,
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the dead in Christ rise first.
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Those of us who are alive
will be caught up together.
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Notice the unity there,
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this is all happening
at the same time together
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with them in the
clouds to meet the Lord.
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Which again is at the trumpet,
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the sounding of
the trumpet of God,
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so connecting these two
verses is the same event.
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That's right, the
trumpet will sound...
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The trumpet in
1 Thessalonians 4,
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the trumpet in 1
Corinthians Chapter 15,
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notice, and I wanna emphasize
this word or this phrase,
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we shall be caught up
together to meet the Lord.
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We often focus on
meeting Him in the air,
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but I wanna emphasize meet Him,
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which means we
haven't met Him before.
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And then one more passage,
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John, in Hebrews Chapter 11.
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We often don't
use this one here.
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But Hebrews Chapter 11
is another beautiful place,
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which shows that the
perfecting of the saints
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is all going to
happen at the same time,
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not one then and one later.
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All right?
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Verses 39 and 40.
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Okay, there you go, read that,
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since I just read the other one.
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And all these things, having...
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"All these, having obtained
a good testimony through faith,
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did not receive the promise."
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And when it says in all
these, is speaking of Abel,
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and Enoch, and
Noah, and Abraham,
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and Sarah, and Isaac, and Jacob,
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all the
patriarchs and matriarchs
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in this hall of faith chapter.
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They did not
receive the promise,
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it says God, verse 40,
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"God having provided
something better for us,
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that they should not be
made perfect apart from us."
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In other words,
it happens together.
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Happens all at the same time.
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So the making
perfect is what event.
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When,
Philippians 3:20, look at it.
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Philippians 3:20,
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this is when the
making perfect happens,
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okay?
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Okay, here it is,
Philippians 3:20-21.
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"For our
citizenship is in heaven,
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from which we also
eagerly wait for the Savior,
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the Lord Jesus Christ."
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We're waiting for Him.
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What are we waiting for?
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"Who will
transform our lowly body
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that it may be
conformed to His glorious body,
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according to the
working by which He is able even
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to subdue all
things to Himself."
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So there it is,
they're waiting for that.
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We are eagerly waiting.
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And all these are
post-resurrection texts,
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all these are
post ascension texts.
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These are the things
that are being said after.
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And how wonderful it is
that they're harmonizing
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with the statements
made before the ascension
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with the statements made
by job in the Old Testament.
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That's right.
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It all fits together
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what they're saying
in the Old Testament.
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The authors of the Old
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is confirmed by the
authors of the New Testament.
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It is
harmonious, it's not a change
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that suddenly
happens at the cross.
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Although the cross made
that final event possible,
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it is still
prefigured in the Old Testament
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and counted on by
faith as if it were a surety.
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So it's a nice argument
for someone to try to make,
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it says, Well,
now we're in heaven
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because of the cross,
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but we just
don't see any validity
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to that from New Testament
or Old Testament scripture.
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Right, And unfortunately,
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these statements are being made
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almost in lieu or in, in, in...
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And I want to use the word here,
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almost in the
ignorance of the resurrection.
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It's like the
resurrection has been a doctrine
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that has been stamped out.
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Yeah.
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The resurrection is
not talked about any more.
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The only time you
hear the resurrection
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talked about in
proper context is in a song.
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"The sky shall unfold
preparing His entrance."
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Just hit me.
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What's that?
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You know, we talked about
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what's in honor of the
resurrection of Christ.
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You know, what
also is gonna honor
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the resurrection of Christ,
the resurrection of the saints.
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Paul connects that absolutely.
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If Christ wasn't crucified,
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then we've lived
and died in vain.
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1 Corinthians 15.
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Let's go there, verse 20 and 21.
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And if He's risen,
then we will be risen.
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And it's like, if you
eliminate the resurrection,
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look what Satan's doing.
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He's minimizing the
resurrection of Christ.
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That's right.
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Matter of fact, John,
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it is inspirational that
you brought that point up.
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Thank you, Lord, for
tapping John on the back
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because the whole theme
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of the
resurrection of the saints
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is based on the theme of
the resurrection of Christ.
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If He isn't risen,
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our faith is in vain.
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We are yet in our sins,
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and we are of all
men most miserable.
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So if He is risen,
we will come again.
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Oh, beautiful,
John, let's just go ahead
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and break this down together.
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Start with verse 12.
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You go down to verse...
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Let's spend a
little time on this
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because this really
hammers the point home.
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Go from verse 12.
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And then to verse 19.
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"Now if Christ is preached
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that He has been
raised from the dead,
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how do some among you say
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that there is no
resurrection of the dead?"
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Okay.
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Now that's a big thing
because you may not say
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that there's no
resurrection from the dead,
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but by your belief,
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you're implying
that the resurrection
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is not that big of a
deal because all you're doing
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at the resurrection
is getting your body.
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You're already there.
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God intended a
big reunion in the sky
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for all people in
this resurrection.
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And you are
minimizing that by saying,
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"Well, they're already there."
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Right. And they...
It's not a big deal.
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Right, and the
point you're making
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the resurrection is not a union.
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The resurrection is not a
reunion of body and spirit.
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The resurrection is reunion
of the saints and Christ.
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That's right.
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It's not a reunion of
the body and the soul.
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It's not a coming
back of two entities
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that was separated at death.
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No where does
the Bible teach that.
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That's right.
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Go to the next verse, verse 13.
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"But if there is no
resurrection of the dead,
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then Christ is not risen.
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And if Christ is not risen,
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then our preaching is empty
and your faith is also empty.
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Yes, and we are found
false witnesses of God,
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because we have
testified of God that
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He has raised up Christ,
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whom He did not raise up
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if in fact the
dead do not rise."
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That's right.
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"For if the dead do not rise,
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then Christ is not risen."
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There you go, right?
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That's the
statement you're making.
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Both are hinged on each one.
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They're together,
they're connected.
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"And if Christ is not risen,
then your faith is futile,
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you are still in your sins!
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Then also those
who have fallen asleep
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in Christ have perished."
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Notice, everything is hinging
on the resurrection here.
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Christ was raised,
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so will we be raised
in the last days together,
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whether you're alive
there and raised from the dead,
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or you're alive.
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I mean, you're dead
and raised from the grave
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or alive and caught
up with Him in the air.
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That's right, and then verse 19,
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and I'll take on 20.
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"If in this life only
we have hope in Christ,
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we are of all men
the most pitiable."
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And so now, pitiable.
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So now look at verse 20.
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"But now Christ is
risen from the dead,
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and has become the first fruits
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of those who have fallen asleep.
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For since by man came death,
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by Man also came the
resurrection of the dead."
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And by the way,
man, the second man,
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there is Christ.
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That's why it's in capital M.
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"For as in Adam all die,
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even so in Christ
all shall be made alive."
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Now, this is how
it puts it together.
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So we showing you once again,
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it all happens at the same time.
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The next verse,
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verse 23,
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"But each one in his own order."
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Now if you only
read that you'll say,
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"Okay, everybody has a turn,
they all do it separately."
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But it all links them
together in this very,
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the
continuation of this passage,
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"But each one in his own order,
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Christ the
firstfruits, afterward
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those who are
Christ's at His coming."
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Yes.
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So we belong to Christ,
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you're coming
forth in the resurrection
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at the coming of Christ,
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and then it shows you clearly,
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"Then comes the end,
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when He delivers the
kingdom to God the Father,
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when He puts an end to all rule
and all authority and power.
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For He must reign till He has
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put all enemies under His feet."
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And this is the
reason why it all happens
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at the same time.
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"The last enemy
that will be destroyed
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is death."
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And verse 57, "Thanks be to God,
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who gives us the victory.
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'O Death, where is thy sting?
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O grave, where is thy victory?'"
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You know what I
also like is verse 44.
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Oh yeah. Go to that.
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Talking about the body.
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"It is sown a natural body,
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it is raised a spiritual body.
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There is a natural body,
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and there is a spiritual body."
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But notice, both are bodies.
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That's right...
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There is no
spiritual soul, separate soul.
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It's a natural body
which is sowed under sin.
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Full dimensions.
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And we are a spiritual body
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and that we're
a body but remade.
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That's right.
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And that is at
the coming of Christ.
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Very good point.
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But
nonetheless, both are bodies.
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That's right. Very,
very, very good point.
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Very good observation.
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Not there's a spiritual
spirit and there's a, you know,
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earthly spirit
and a heavenly spirit.
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No, there's the natural
body and the spiritual body.
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That's very, very
vitally important.
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And look at what
it says in verse 49.
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"As we have borne the
image of the man of dust,
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we shall also bear the image
of the heavenly Man image."
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Get it.
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So we're
talking dimensions here.
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And so an answer to it,
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and a long
answer to the question.
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No, there's been no shift
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and when people
are made perfect.
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No, there's no shift
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when the
resurrection takes place.
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There is no shift when
people are ascending to heaven.
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We all ascend together,
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we all are made
perfectly together.
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We're all transformed together.
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We are all receiving
the immortality together
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at the final trumpet.
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- That's right. - Wow.
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I have a question
that's kind of completely
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in a different
direction altogether.
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And it brings out
the diabolical nature
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of relationships gone bad.
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I married and it
tells how many long?
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How many years long?
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Two grown children,
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but our marriage is
so crowded with women,
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children, and in-laws.
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The person has
children with other women.
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And just when I
think it would stop,
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it continues.
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And talks about
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how I stick by this man,
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we're Seventh-day Adventists,
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I found out about
a couple of years ago
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that he has another child,
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all of his family knew about it,
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but they hid it from me.
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Part of which is hard to me.
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Part of which is hard for me.
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And I think it
goes all the way down,
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the question
comes, going through,
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I am going through a lot.
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It is the prayers of
those I love is keeping me
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and I also cry out to God,
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please pray for me.
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In other words, the question is,
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should I stay or
should I not stay
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with a situation like this?
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And, John, as a
marriage counselor,
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I would say you
need to both sit down
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before marriage counselor
and look at the parameters
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because one of the
things I wanna point out here,
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there seems to be
a lot of deception,
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a lot of things
that have been hidden,
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especially in
the case of children
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that are now
coming to the surface.
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She's in essence discovering
that the man she's married to
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has another child
or other children.
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And that's a
bombshell to a woman to realize,
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you mean to tell me our children
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are not the only
children you have.
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And I'm finding out now
that you have another child,
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and "boom," your
family all knew about it.
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That's just like,
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that's just one
torpedo after the other
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and then he wants to be intimate
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and because of all
this strain on the marriage,
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the marriage she's unhappy,
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what do you suggest?
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Marriage counselor.
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You need to go
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to a professional
marriage counselor.
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If you can find
one of your faith,
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there are many,
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I could just give
you this very quick point
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that may be able to help you
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prepare-enrich.com,
00:19:41.84\00:19:45.28
put your zip code in
there and it'll tell you
00:19:45.31\00:19:48.28
where you can find
Christian counselors
00:19:48.32\00:19:49.98
in your area.
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prepare-enrich.com
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and you go there
and put your zip code in
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and it'll tell you how far away,
00:19:57.99\00:20:00.53
you'll find a
counselor with your own
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denominational beliefs.
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'Cause you just don't want
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to leave the
situation like that.
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Yeah. You've
got to do something.
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Right.
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And 'cause it doesn't
get better on its own.
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It doesn't.
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And I think it's important
that both parties are heard
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before any kind
of life transforming
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children
impacting decision is made.
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That's right.
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Yeah, it's really not
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we could just
say just leave them.
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But that's not...
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And I think one of the reasons
why we bring out questions
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like this is that we
get them from time to time.
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Right.
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And I think there
are many out there
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who are in marriages
that are really struggling.
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And you need the influence
of somebody or the input
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wisdom of somebody outside
of that to really tell you,
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help you find what the
deep rooted problem really is
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and to deal with those issues.
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That's right.
00:20:46.94\00:20:48.28
And only when you
deal with those issues,
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can you understand,
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if these children were
born prior to you being married,
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that's one thing.
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If they were born
while you were married,
00:20:55.78\00:20:58.89
that's another
whole scenario there.
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But even if these
issues can be worked out then,
00:21:01.49\00:21:03.59
I mean, you got
to work through this.
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And reconciliation occurs
when everything's on the table.
00:21:05.73\00:21:08.56
That's right.
00:21:08.60\00:21:09.93
That's a very important
point, when all the issues
00:21:09.96\00:21:12.47
are on the table, they're there.
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And I want to let you know,
00:21:14.40\00:21:15.80
it may be sometimes
it may look impossible
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to even come up
00:21:18.24\00:21:19.57
with any kind
of viable solution.
00:21:19.61\00:21:21.41
But if both parties are willing,
00:21:21.44\00:21:23.41
if one person
expresses I acknowledge,
00:21:23.45\00:21:27.88
like David says,
00:21:27.92\00:21:29.48
I acknowledge my transgression,
00:21:29.52\00:21:32.42
and my sin is ever before me.
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And he finally came to
the point where, "Okay,
00:21:35.46\00:21:37.33
I'm done trying to cover it up.
00:21:37.36\00:21:38.86
Here it is.
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It's all out in the
open, let's deal with it."
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And the Lord changed his heart.
00:21:41.96\00:21:44.87
Although his first child died,
00:21:44.90\00:21:47.24
the Lord honored his repentance
00:21:47.27\00:21:50.44
and restored him.
00:21:50.47\00:21:52.54
And so we still
today look at David
00:21:52.57\00:21:54.38
with a great honor.
00:21:54.41\00:21:55.74
A man after God's own heart.
00:21:55.78\00:21:57.51
So yeah, get counseling.
00:21:57.55\00:21:58.98
That's gonna be very
important to make the situation,
00:21:59.01\00:22:02.35
the remedy of it,
viable and well thought out.
00:22:02.38\00:22:05.92
John, this last question
00:22:05.95\00:22:07.29
we have for today is from Donna.
00:22:07.32\00:22:09.16
And she says,
00:22:09.19\00:22:10.53
"My husband and I
would like to know
00:22:10.56\00:22:11.89
what you think the role
of women is in the church?
00:22:11.93\00:22:15.33
All right. "Is there a lot of...
00:22:15.36\00:22:17.00
There's a lot of controversy
these days about women,
00:22:17.03\00:22:19.33
priests, pastors,
teachers, elders, etcetera.
00:22:19.37\00:22:22.10
We believe that
Paul was pretty clear
00:22:22.14\00:22:23.47
in his writings,
00:22:23.51\00:22:24.84
but others say Jesus
considers us all equal.
00:22:24.87\00:22:28.14
How do we
conclude this subject?"
00:22:28.18\00:22:30.41
The comment was
thrown in here also as,
00:22:30.45\00:22:32.31
"How come Jesus did
not handpick a woman
00:22:32.35\00:22:34.28
as a disciple?"
00:22:34.32\00:22:36.52
Now interesting there,
00:22:36.55\00:22:37.89
I'm gonna deal with that
last question first there,
00:22:37.92\00:22:39.85
how come Jesus didn't
pick, handpick a woman?
00:22:39.89\00:22:42.72
What we're finding here
00:22:43.86\00:22:45.29
is writings of
scripture that go way back.
00:22:45.33\00:22:48.96
And that also are influenced
by the culture of the day.
00:22:49.00\00:22:52.80
And if you have any
question as to whether or not
00:22:52.83\00:22:55.04
writing is
influenced by culture,
00:22:55.07\00:22:57.57
they really need
to study out language
00:22:57.61\00:22:59.17
and writing and things
00:22:59.21\00:23:01.28
because it absolutely
is influenced by culture.
00:23:01.31\00:23:04.18
But not just writing
00:23:04.21\00:23:05.88
just events and
things that happened.
00:23:05.91\00:23:08.78
Jesus in many ways,
00:23:08.82\00:23:10.65
likely did not choose a woman
specifically to be identified
00:23:10.69\00:23:13.86
as one of the 12.
00:23:13.89\00:23:15.22
I believe that's what she means.
00:23:15.26\00:23:17.23
For the most part
00:23:17.26\00:23:18.59
because of the
culture of that day,
00:23:18.63\00:23:20.13
they always look to the man.
00:23:20.16\00:23:21.50
Women was typically
felt as being subservient
00:23:21.53\00:23:24.80
or servants of men.
00:23:24.83\00:23:27.14
That's not
necessarily a God thing,
00:23:27.17\00:23:31.17
that be the case.
00:23:31.21\00:23:32.94
'Cause we read
elsewhere in scripture
00:23:32.97\00:23:34.68
that it was
never designed for God
00:23:34.71\00:23:36.95
to have any inequality
there between man and woman.
00:23:36.98\00:23:40.38
That goes way back to Genesis.
00:23:40.42\00:23:43.28
But we can look to
several other books
00:23:43.32\00:23:46.92
and not only books of the Bible,
00:23:46.96\00:23:48.66
but especially the Book
of Acts where we find stories
00:23:48.69\00:23:51.29
of women being involved
in the work of God's kingdom.
00:23:51.33\00:23:54.20
Right.
00:23:54.23\00:23:55.56
And that helps us to underst
and a little bit of the role
00:23:55.60\00:23:57.17
of women in the church.
00:23:57.20\00:23:59.70
And so if you
wanna go back far enough,
00:23:59.73\00:24:03.51
you can find Deborah
who was a prophetess.
00:24:03.54\00:24:07.18
In Judges 4:4, it
says, "Deborah, a prophetess,
00:24:07.21\00:24:09.84
the wife of Lapidoth,
00:24:09.88\00:24:11.85
was judging
Israel at that time."
00:24:11.88\00:24:14.78
So included with
Samson and Barak,
00:24:14.82\00:24:17.85
who was a
contemporary there at same time
00:24:17.89\00:24:19.62
as Deborah was alive,
and Gideon and others.
00:24:19.65\00:24:23.49
Deborah was a judge. Right.
00:24:23.53\00:24:25.56
So she was a leader,
00:24:25.59\00:24:28.30
and a judge over all of
Israel, which included men.
00:24:28.33\00:24:31.37
So there's no question
that God has no problem
00:24:31.40\00:24:34.04
in selecting women
to lead His people.
00:24:34.07\00:24:37.71
In key positions, right?
00:24:37.74\00:24:39.07
Here's some
other ones. Acts 21:9.
00:24:39.11\00:24:41.61
"Now this man Philip
had four virgin daughters
00:24:41.64\00:24:45.28
who prophesied."
00:24:45.31\00:24:46.85
And I added Philip in
there because the verse before
00:24:46.88\00:24:49.45
it says that was Philip
that had these daughters.
00:24:49.48\00:24:51.79
Well, they prophesied
so there are prophetesses
00:24:51.82\00:24:54.69
and they are
throughout the Scripture,
00:24:54.72\00:24:56.06
we find also other prophetesses
that God called specifically
00:24:56.09\00:24:59.63
to give a
message and leadership.
00:24:59.66\00:25:02.16
Let's not forget
prophets are leaders,
00:25:02.20\00:25:04.83
leadership to His church.
00:25:04.87\00:25:07.37
Just a few other
ones, John, so bear with me,
00:25:07.40\00:25:09.17
it's Acts 18:24-26.
00:25:09.20\00:25:12.41
"Now a certain
Jew named Apollos,
00:25:12.44\00:25:14.58
born at
Alexandria, an eloquent man
00:25:14.61\00:25:16.34
and mighty in the
scriptures, came to Ephesus."
00:25:16.38\00:25:18.58
Here's a man who
is considered a leader
00:25:18.61\00:25:20.58
mighty in the scriptures.
00:25:20.62\00:25:22.12
He says, "This man
had been instructed
00:25:22.15\00:25:23.59
in the way of the Lord,
and being fervent in spirit,
00:25:23.62\00:25:25.72
he spoke and taught accurately
the things of the Lord,
00:25:25.75\00:25:28.39
though he knew only
about the baptism of John."
00:25:28.42\00:25:31.39
So then who steps in to
provide additional instruction,
00:25:31.43\00:25:34.56
verse 26,
00:25:34.60\00:25:35.93
"So he began to speak
boldly in the synagogue.
00:25:35.96\00:25:37.97
When Aquila and
Priscilla heard him,
00:25:38.00\00:25:40.40
they took him aside
and explained to him
00:25:40.44\00:25:42.54
the way of God more accurately."
00:25:42.57\00:25:45.17
So now we have women involved
00:25:45.21\00:25:46.54
in making sure
that we stay on course
00:25:46.57\00:25:49.24
with our doctrine in our truths.
00:25:49.28\00:25:53.55
Many of the women believed,
in fact it says Acts 17:12,
00:25:53.58\00:25:57.25
"Many of them believed,
00:25:57.29\00:25:58.62
and also not a
few of the Greeks,
00:25:58.65\00:26:00.29
prominent women as well as men."
00:26:00.32\00:26:03.83
So you have
prominent women in society now
00:26:03.86\00:26:05.93
that are coming to the church.
00:26:05.96\00:26:07.36
And do they all of a sudden say,
00:26:07.40\00:26:08.73
"Well, I'm not
prominent anymore.
00:26:08.76\00:26:10.10
I'm not gonna be
influential in society,
00:26:10.13\00:26:11.93
of course, not.
00:26:11.97\00:26:13.30
Right.
00:26:13.34\00:26:14.67
They were use
such as Lydia, I think.
00:26:14.70\00:26:16.30
Yeah, Lydia, the
seller of purple,
00:26:16.34\00:26:17.67
seller of purple,
Strong leader in the...
00:26:17.71\00:26:19.21
She continue to lead...
00:26:19.24\00:26:20.88
Building of the
New Testament church.
00:26:20.91\00:26:22.24
And yeah, building of
the church and things.
00:26:22.28\00:26:24.15
So women are everywhere here
00:26:24.18\00:26:27.12
in regard to the up
building of God's Church,
00:26:27.15\00:26:30.52
they guiding of
it, they helping of it
00:26:30.55\00:26:32.42
and making sure that we
stick with proper doctrine,
00:26:32.45\00:26:36.62
way back when in
judging Israel at that time.
00:26:36.66\00:26:39.89
So if you ask,
00:26:39.93\00:26:41.26
what are the role
of women in the church?
00:26:41.30\00:26:42.63
Pretty much I don't find much
00:26:42.66\00:26:44.53
that women weren't involved with
00:26:44.57\00:26:47.10
as far as the
work of God's kingdom,
00:26:47.14\00:26:50.11
specifically His church.
00:26:50.14\00:26:51.87
And the Lord speaks
about in Acts Chapter 2,
00:26:51.91\00:26:55.31
this is something
that we cannot overlook.
00:26:55.34\00:26:57.55
In Acts Chapter 2,
00:26:57.58\00:26:58.91
the Lord makes it
clear through Peter's sermon
00:26:58.95\00:27:01.48
on the day of Pentecost,
00:27:01.52\00:27:03.42
that the
prophecy of Joel Chapter 2
00:27:03.45\00:27:07.22
had been fulfilled that day,
00:27:07.26\00:27:09.12
strangely enough,
that day they talked about
00:27:09.16\00:27:12.49
and there was
dwelling at Jerusalem.
00:27:12.53\00:27:14.33
Men, devout men out of
every nation under heaven,
00:27:14.36\00:27:18.90
but you find here
00:27:18.93\00:27:20.27
the fulfillment of
the prophecy in Acts 2:17,
00:27:20.30\00:27:24.57
"And it shall come to
pass in the last days,
00:27:24.61\00:27:26.98
says God,
00:27:27.01\00:27:28.34
that I will pour out
My Spirit on all flesh."
00:27:28.38\00:27:31.48
It was not
gender exclusivity here,
00:27:31.51\00:27:33.15
but God was pouring out
His Spirit on all flesh.
00:27:33.18\00:27:35.78
"Your sons and your
daughters shall prophesy,
00:27:35.82\00:27:38.19
your young men
shall see visions,
00:27:38.22\00:27:40.46
your old men shall dream dreams.
00:27:40.49\00:27:43.43
And on My menservants,
and on My maidservants
00:27:43.46\00:27:47.40
I will pour out My
Spirit in those days,
00:27:47.43\00:27:50.27
and they shall prophesy."
00:27:50.30\00:27:52.20
So you see, once
again, God is not saying,
00:27:52.23\00:27:55.14
I'm gonna just pour
out My Spirit on men,
00:27:55.17\00:27:57.77
but I'm gonna
include that also on women.
00:27:57.81\00:27:59.57
And one of the challenges here
I think, you know, the issue,
00:27:59.61\00:28:01.74
we knows the issue
is women's ordination.
00:28:01.78\00:28:05.75
When you begin to
hammer that point home,
00:28:05.78\00:28:09.45
I always come
back to the bottom line
00:28:09.48\00:28:11.45
and some people look at
this as an issue of salvation.
00:28:11.49\00:28:14.49
I don't really,
00:28:14.52\00:28:15.86
I don't have that
great a conviction to say
00:28:15.89\00:28:18.79
that whether a woman is ordained
00:28:18.83\00:28:20.16
or not as an issue of salvation.
00:28:20.20\00:28:21.53
That's right.
00:28:21.56\00:28:22.90
But here's where
the dichotomy comes in.
00:28:22.93\00:28:24.37
To use the word woman elder,
00:28:24.40\00:28:26.23
the word elder
has always meant men.
00:28:26.27\00:28:28.54
So you find that
elder, which in the Bible,
00:28:28.57\00:28:31.57
you never find the word elder
as it associates to a women,
00:28:31.61\00:28:35.11
but you find women in
leadership like deaconess.
00:28:35.14\00:28:38.48
You find them involved
in the word there is Dorcas.
00:28:38.51\00:28:44.02
See, she was a leader in
the New Testament Church,
00:28:44.05\00:28:46.49
from which now
the new word today
00:28:46.52\00:28:48.19
we have community service,
00:28:48.22\00:28:50.16
but it comes
from Dorcas society.
00:28:50.19\00:28:51.66
So leadership as
far as leadership
00:28:51.69\00:28:53.03
is concerned in the Bible,
00:28:53.06\00:28:54.43
God doesn't have an issue
with women being in leadership.
00:28:54.46\00:28:56.77
The big issue is whether
a woman should have a term
00:28:56.80\00:28:59.97
that was only
applied to men, elder.
00:29:00.00\00:29:02.04
That's where the big issue is.
00:29:02.07\00:29:03.41
Yeah, and I think
that's one of the things too,
00:29:03.44\00:29:05.07
that we were distinguishing here
00:29:05.11\00:29:06.74
is that as far as
leadership is concerned,
00:29:06.78\00:29:09.18
they are everywhere serving
00:29:09.21\00:29:10.58
in just about every
capacity as a leader,
00:29:10.61\00:29:12.81
and you have to ask
yourself what did elders do.
00:29:12.85\00:29:14.72
Right.
00:29:14.75\00:29:16.08
Elders were considered
the leaders of the church,
00:29:16.12\00:29:18.65
but in the same respect,
00:29:18.69\00:29:20.36
there are many women
who were also leaders.
00:29:20.39\00:29:22.72
And it is true that there are
no women identified as elders
00:29:22.76\00:29:26.63
because elders
were thought of as men.
00:29:26.66\00:29:28.63
So there are facts
here that are undisputable.
00:29:28.66\00:29:32.23
But there is no fact
that women are not leaders
00:29:32.27\00:29:35.60
in the church.
00:29:35.64\00:29:36.97
That is clearly disproved
by what the Bible says.
00:29:37.01\00:29:39.41
Right. So if I say
nowadays, Elder Joanne Smith.
00:29:39.44\00:29:43.61
Elder Joanne Smith,
00:29:43.65\00:29:45.25
it sounds like, someone's like
saying Deaconess John Stanton.
00:29:45.28\00:29:49.62
Deaconess John Stanton,
00:29:49.65\00:29:51.29
those terms in the Bible
00:29:51.32\00:29:52.65
are exclusive
to male and female.
00:29:52.69\00:29:54.79
That's where the big
challenge comes in today,
00:29:54.82\00:29:57.06
whether or not a woman
should have the title elder.
00:29:57.09\00:29:59.53
And I guess we
could say the same thing
00:29:59.56\00:30:01.13
whether a man should
have the title deaconess,
00:30:01.16\00:30:03.67
because those are terms linked
00:30:03.70\00:30:05.03
specifically to male and female.
00:30:05.07\00:30:07.57
But it's a good question. Yeah.
00:30:07.60\00:30:08.94
But God believes in
women being in leadership.
00:30:08.97\00:30:10.31
Yes, He sure does.
00:30:10.34\00:30:11.67
And this issue is
being studied out.
00:30:11.71\00:30:13.71
And as a church we're waiting
00:30:13.74\00:30:15.71
from some actual
official decisions
00:30:15.74\00:30:18.51
in regard to a
women's ordination and things,
00:30:18.55\00:30:20.72
and I see the Lord
is leading His church,
00:30:20.75\00:30:23.15
let Him lead where we go here.
00:30:23.18\00:30:24.59
Right.
00:30:24.62\00:30:25.95
And meanwhile, I
would say to the ladies,
00:30:25.99\00:30:27.32
still give Bible
studies, still share the gospel,
00:30:27.36\00:30:29.66
still sing, still
preach, still be missionaries.
00:30:29.69\00:30:32.29
Still do what God
has anointed you to do.
00:30:32.33\00:30:34.20
Preach the word, teach the word.
00:30:34.23\00:30:35.56
Preach the word, teach the word,
00:30:35.60\00:30:36.97
beat in those
Sabbath school divisions,
00:30:37.00\00:30:38.47
preach overseas, go and teach
as God has given you wisdom,
00:30:38.50\00:30:42.34
like Ellen White,
one of the greatest,
00:30:42.37\00:30:45.04
one of the greatest influences
of the Advent movement,
00:30:45.07\00:30:47.34
Ellen White.
00:30:47.38\00:30:48.81
In her day, and I think,
00:30:48.84\00:30:50.31
you know, this is
a historical fact.
00:30:50.35\00:30:52.71
When she
received her certificate
00:30:52.75\00:30:54.88
because of the
great pressure in her day,
00:30:54.92\00:30:58.05
she crossed out the
word ordination or ordained
00:30:58.09\00:31:01.79
because that
would have really been
00:31:01.82\00:31:03.99
a big issue to the
church then primarily being
00:31:04.03\00:31:06.63
male dominated
in its leadership.
00:31:06.66\00:31:09.26
But so the issue is, does God
called you to preach and teach?
00:31:09.30\00:31:13.23
Well, the gifts that are given
to the New Testament Church
00:31:13.27\00:31:15.74
are gifts poured
out on all of us,
00:31:15.77\00:31:17.41
regardless of our gender.
00:31:17.44\00:31:18.94
Well...
00:31:18.97\00:31:20.31
Now what I find it
interesting to just a last note.
00:31:20.34\00:31:21.68
Sure.
00:31:21.71\00:31:23.04
You know, why didn't Jesus
handpick a woman as a disciple?
00:31:23.08\00:31:26.68
Well, I believe all
disciples are picked.
00:31:26.72\00:31:29.05
I believe God asked them,
00:31:29.08\00:31:31.82
calls them to the
gospel when they respond.
00:31:31.85\00:31:34.59
He has picked
them to be one of His.
00:31:34.62\00:31:36.12
Hasn't He predestined
all of us to salvation?
00:31:36.16\00:31:39.09
So, but the issue
here is it's almost ironic.
00:31:39.13\00:31:42.63
You could make
that argument but also,
00:31:42.66\00:31:45.37
why didn't God handpick a man
00:31:45.40\00:31:48.60
to be the one to lead his church
00:31:48.64\00:31:50.31
to the last days
into the last days?
00:31:50.34\00:31:52.44
Why did He handpick a woman?
00:31:52.47\00:31:54.28
And someone might say, "Well,
He did try to pick a man."
00:31:54.31\00:31:56.18
I mean, we can explain
this stuff away forever,
00:31:56.21\00:31:58.05
but He had no
problem in selecting a woman
00:31:58.08\00:32:00.65
to lead this small movement
00:32:00.68\00:32:03.62
into this great movement
00:32:03.65\00:32:04.99
who would one day
finish the work of God
00:32:05.02\00:32:07.72
before Jesus comes.
00:32:07.76\00:32:09.09
I thought it was
really instrumental
00:32:09.12\00:32:10.46
that Jesus made a statement
00:32:10.49\00:32:11.83
that was just so
profound in His day,
00:32:11.86\00:32:13.83
He really upset the
Scribes and Pharisees
00:32:13.86\00:32:17.67
and the Sadducees.
00:32:17.70\00:32:19.03
Maybe this is why
they were Sadducee.
00:32:19.07\00:32:22.00
But he said in Mark
14:9, "Assuredly, I say to you,
00:32:22.04\00:32:27.14
wherever this gospel is preached
00:32:27.18\00:32:29.51
in the whole world,
00:32:29.54\00:32:31.68
what this woman has done
00:32:31.71\00:32:33.92
will also be told
as a memorial to her."
00:32:33.95\00:32:37.82
He never said
anything about a memorial
00:32:37.85\00:32:39.55
to any of His
disciples, male disciples.
00:32:39.59\00:32:41.79
Right.
00:32:41.82\00:32:43.16
But He said, wherever
the gospel is preached
00:32:43.19\00:32:44.76
in the whole world,
00:32:44.79\00:32:46.33
what this woman has done
00:32:46.36\00:32:47.70
will also be told
as a memorial to her.
00:32:47.73\00:32:50.27
It's really
instrumental, revolutionary,
00:32:50.30\00:32:52.67
considering the
time in which He was.
00:32:52.70\00:32:54.54
And so, yes, the woman
who bathe the feet of Jesus,
00:32:54.57\00:32:58.77
the woman who followed
Him and stayed by His tomb,
00:32:58.81\00:33:03.85
even though the disciples
hid, for fear of the Jews,
00:33:03.88\00:33:07.62
her name was memorialized
00:33:07.65\00:33:09.45
throughout the
preaching of the gospel
00:33:09.48\00:33:11.15
and is memorialized.
00:33:11.19\00:33:13.39
But anyhow, you know, we
like, we do what we like to do,
00:33:13.42\00:33:16.26
and that is
answer Bible questions.
00:33:16.29\00:33:17.89
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00:33:17.93\00:33:19.49
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00:33:19.53\00:33:21.83
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00:33:21.86\00:33:24.73
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00:33:26.43\00:33:30.64
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00:33:30.67\00:33:33.54
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00:33:33.58\00:33:36.61
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00:33:36.64\00:33:40.15
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00:33:40.18\00:33:43.69
We're gonna segue
now into something
00:33:43.72\00:33:45.19
that we have
enjoyed doing together
00:33:45.22\00:33:46.79
on a prior program, we
were able to talk about
00:33:46.82\00:33:48.86
some of these
end time scenarios.
00:33:48.89\00:33:52.06
I think the term
you use is what's next.
00:33:52.09\00:33:55.43
Take us back
into our topic, John.
00:33:55.46\00:33:57.17
Well, we finished
in our last program
00:33:57.20\00:34:00.64
talking about the battle
in the end is tribulation
00:34:00.67\00:34:03.41
that comes as spoken
of in Matthew Chapter 24.
00:34:03.44\00:34:06.94
It's not a battle
necessarily between the wicked
00:34:06.98\00:34:10.25
or I shouldn't
say with the heathen,
00:34:10.28\00:34:12.41
the atheist and Christians,
00:34:12.45\00:34:14.88
but within Christianity
itself, at least "Christianity"
00:34:14.92\00:34:19.72
because we find that
as this false christ comes
00:34:19.75\00:34:22.69
and false prophets come,
00:34:22.72\00:34:24.43
there will be
people that follow them.
00:34:24.46\00:34:26.59
And to follow a false christ,
00:34:26.63\00:34:28.26
you still have to
label yourself what?
00:34:28.30\00:34:30.37
A Christian. That's right.
00:34:30.40\00:34:32.07
And those
Christians "are persecuting."
00:34:32.10\00:34:37.47
It's a tribulation period.
00:34:37.51\00:34:39.01
They're
persecuting the elect of God
00:34:39.04\00:34:41.51
that is God's true people.
00:34:41.54\00:34:43.85
And so when this what
we see today happening
00:34:43.88\00:34:48.65
with just distress being
caused by these calamities,
00:34:48.68\00:34:53.76
and it seems to be intensifying
and we're not sure what to do.
00:34:53.79\00:34:57.03
Scientists are
grappling with the issues.
00:34:57.06\00:34:58.83
And more and more
we're gonna see nations
00:34:58.86\00:35:00.86
and their leaders
00:35:00.90\00:35:02.23
can't figure out how
to solve this problem.
00:35:02.26\00:35:04.17
And then you
find in this distress
00:35:04.20\00:35:06.57
someone appear on the
scenes claiming to be...
00:35:06.60\00:35:08.77
Christ.
00:35:08.80\00:35:10.14
Jesus, saying,
00:35:10.17\00:35:11.57
"I'm here to deliver
you from these things."
00:35:11.61\00:35:15.88
Do you think
they're gonna follow him?
00:35:15.91\00:35:17.25
Of course. And he
performs miracles.
00:35:17.28\00:35:18.71
He can even call fire
down from heaven it says
00:35:18.75\00:35:21.42
in Revelation.
00:35:21.45\00:35:22.78
Right.
00:35:22.82\00:35:24.15
And as he does
this will have people
00:35:24.19\00:35:25.72
that are professed
Christians who will follow him,
00:35:25.75\00:35:28.46
and he will
somehow turn them against
00:35:28.49\00:35:31.86
those who are
true followers of God.
00:35:31.89\00:35:34.40
And so this is
stuff that has to come
00:35:34.43\00:35:36.90
leading up to the
Second Coming of Jesus
00:35:36.93\00:35:38.77
and although
we're not spot talking
00:35:38.80\00:35:40.14
about in detail
this specific events.
00:35:40.17\00:35:42.84
This is where
the trend is hitting.
00:35:42.87\00:35:44.27
This is where we're going next.
00:35:44.31\00:35:46.24
And at least is
something to keep in mind
00:35:46.27\00:35:48.21
because Jesus did
say in Matthew 24:25,
00:35:48.24\00:35:51.91
"See, I have
told you beforehand."
00:35:51.95\00:35:55.18
I want you to know in advance
00:35:55.22\00:35:57.35
what is to come so that
you can watch and be ready.
00:35:57.39\00:36:03.19
In fact that he says that here
00:36:03.22\00:36:04.56
somewhere I'm
looking for the text.
00:36:04.59\00:36:06.09
Yeah, that's in Matthew 24,
when you go down to verse 42.
00:36:06.13\00:36:10.90
"Watch therefore,
for you do not know
00:36:10.93\00:36:12.63
what hour your Lord is coming."
00:36:12.67\00:36:14.40
Verse 44,
"Therefore you also be ready,
00:36:14.44\00:36:17.41
for the Son of Man
is coming at an hour
00:36:17.44\00:36:19.67
when you do not expect."
00:36:19.71\00:36:21.21
There you go.
00:36:21.24\00:36:22.58
And so that day and hour
no one knows, no man know,
00:36:22.61\00:36:25.91
not the angels of
heaven but My Father only,
00:36:25.95\00:36:28.15
but you know when it is near
00:36:28.18\00:36:29.52
because you see these signs
begin to happen in our world.
00:36:29.55\00:36:32.12
Now let's just go
ahead and begin to put
00:36:32.15\00:36:33.49
this into practical,
repetitive application.
00:36:33.52\00:36:36.46
One of the things that's
happening in society today,
00:36:36.49\00:36:38.53
John, is this what I
call the numbing process.
00:36:38.56\00:36:41.76
The numbing process,
which people are becoming
00:36:41.80\00:36:43.30
more numb to all
these end-time scenarios.
00:36:43.33\00:36:46.33
We look at movie
makers how they make these
00:36:46.37\00:36:48.24
catastrophic movies
look so overwhelming.
00:36:48.27\00:36:52.34
What was the other one?
00:36:52.37\00:36:53.71
2012, you know,
massive destruction,
00:36:53.74\00:36:56.71
water flying, coming
over the top of mountains
00:36:56.75\00:36:59.08
and earth breaking itself up
00:36:59.11\00:37:01.18
and great caverns
splitting the earth
00:37:01.22\00:37:03.12
and cities are being inundated
00:37:03.15\00:37:05.02
in with fire
coming down from heaven.
00:37:05.05\00:37:07.99
I mean, the movie
makers are able to,
00:37:08.02\00:37:10.06
and it just always fascinates me
00:37:10.09\00:37:12.86
that they could even
produce that kind of thing
00:37:12.89\00:37:15.76
in a digital setting
00:37:15.80\00:37:17.83
where it looks
so amazingly real.
00:37:17.87\00:37:20.10
But what's happening is,
it's numbing people to the idea
00:37:20.14\00:37:23.00
that the world
is coming to an end.
00:37:23.04\00:37:26.27
And then you have this new one,
I think we talked about this,
00:37:26.31\00:37:28.88
this new blasphemous movie
that's actually making light,
00:37:28.91\00:37:32.18
you know, The End,
it's called The End,
00:37:32.21\00:37:33.78
making light of the fact that
the world is coming to an end.
00:37:33.82\00:37:36.38
So you have as people are
numb nowadays to violence.
00:37:36.42\00:37:40.86
That's why violence,
in some cases increase
00:37:40.89\00:37:43.46
in certain particular ways.
00:37:43.49\00:37:45.36
Gun violence
because we could see a guy
00:37:45.39\00:37:47.63
shot next week
he's on another program,
00:37:47.66\00:37:49.93
and children whose minds
are not able to differentiate
00:37:49.96\00:37:53.10
between an actual
death and a Hollywood death.
00:37:53.13\00:37:57.24
They feel that
it's no big thing.
00:37:57.27\00:37:59.07
Like my sister who works
for the police department
00:37:59.11\00:38:02.28
in New York City.
00:38:02.31\00:38:03.65
She works at Central booking.
00:38:03.68\00:38:05.05
And if you get arrested,
she's gonna process you.
00:38:05.08\00:38:08.38
So she processed
this 17-year old boy
00:38:08.42\00:38:11.45
who was arrested
for carrying a gun.
00:38:11.49\00:38:15.79
And this is in
the city of New York.
00:38:15.82\00:38:18.63
And she said,
"What's wrong with you?"
00:38:18.66\00:38:21.10
You've been arrested for,
00:38:21.13\00:38:22.86
you know,
shooting to at somebody,
00:38:22.90\00:38:25.83
possibly injuring someone.
00:38:25.87\00:38:27.64
What is your problem?
00:38:27.67\00:38:29.00
And she said, "What do you feel
00:38:29.04\00:38:30.61
that you need a gun
for at 17 years old?"
00:38:30.64\00:38:33.78
And his answer was so flippant
00:38:33.81\00:38:38.11
that made it
almost appears though.
00:38:38.15\00:38:40.12
"Well, I should have a gun.
00:38:40.15\00:38:41.75
The city is dangerous."
00:38:41.78\00:38:44.09
And we see these
kids carrying guns
00:38:44.12\00:38:47.12
and then gun violence,
00:38:47.16\00:38:49.69
violence in
schools in Connecticut,
00:38:49.72\00:38:51.99
and Columbine, and Virginia Tech
00:38:52.03\00:38:55.96
and the army base
where this soldier
00:38:56.00\00:38:59.00
lost and began to
shoot his own comrades.
00:38:59.03\00:39:02.70
You get so
desensitized to all this killing
00:39:02.74\00:39:05.21
that you come down to the end.
00:39:05.24\00:39:06.88
And you fail to
realize that some of the signs
00:39:06.91\00:39:08.88
that do lead up to
the coming of Christ
00:39:08.91\00:39:11.31
were mentioned in the
Bible that we often overlook.
00:39:11.35\00:39:14.08
That's right.
00:39:14.12\00:39:15.45
You know, for matter of fact,
00:39:15.48\00:39:16.89
are you at one
now you wanna read
00:39:16.92\00:39:18.25
'cause I'm gonna go to Genesis?
00:39:18.29\00:39:19.82
No, no, go ahead.
00:39:19.85\00:39:21.19
You know, we talked
about one of the statements
00:39:21.22\00:39:22.99
that Jesus made in
the Book of Matthew,
00:39:23.02\00:39:24.39
He says, "As it was
in the days of Noah,
00:39:24.43\00:39:28.06
so also will be in the days
00:39:28.10\00:39:29.43
of the coming of the Son of Man.
00:39:29.46\00:39:30.83
One of the signs
that I want to point to,
00:39:30.87\00:39:33.50
that is talked
about in the days of Noah
00:39:33.54\00:39:35.74
is found in the Book
of Genesis Chapter 6.
00:39:35.77\00:39:41.48
Look at Genesis 6:11.
00:39:41.51\00:39:46.41
The Bible says, "The earth
also was corrupt before God,
00:39:46.45\00:39:51.15
and the earth was
filled with violence."
00:39:51.19\00:39:55.76
Is that a
condition we see today, John?
00:39:55.79\00:39:58.86
I mean, violence sells.
00:39:58.89\00:40:01.53
Violence is the box
office, violence is the,
00:40:01.56\00:40:05.00
you know, guns blazing,
00:40:05.03\00:40:07.77
you know, seems like
hundreds of thousands of rounds
00:40:07.80\00:40:11.47
just flying through the
air and we have people slowly.
00:40:11.51\00:40:14.98
It just seems
like violence sells.
00:40:15.01\00:40:17.65
And if I could
say in a real way,
00:40:17.68\00:40:20.02
we are like it was
in the days of Noah.
00:40:20.05\00:40:22.12
Look at verse 13.
00:40:22.15\00:40:23.49
"And God said to Noah,
00:40:23.52\00:40:24.85
'The end of all
flesh has come before Me,
00:40:24.89\00:40:26.42
for the earth is filled
with violence through them,
00:40:26.45\00:40:30.46
and behold, I will
destroy them with the earth."
00:40:30.49\00:40:34.23
So God is not into violence,
00:40:34.26\00:40:36.97
but violence is
what sells today.
00:40:37.00\00:40:40.04
And that's what's
one of the concerns
00:40:40.07\00:40:42.17
of leading up to some
of the signs of the end.
00:40:42.20\00:40:44.87
I'm gonna read from
2 Timothy Chapter 3.
00:40:44.91\00:40:47.24
Okay.
00:40:47.28\00:40:48.61
Kind of following
up your thought here.
00:40:48.64\00:40:50.58
Look at verse 1.
00:40:50.61\00:40:53.08
2 Timothy 3:1, "But know this,
00:40:53.11\00:40:56.22
that in the last days
perilous times will come.
00:40:56.25\00:41:01.02
For men will be
lovers of themselves."
00:41:01.06\00:41:03.96
Notice the commentary,
00:41:03.99\00:41:05.33
you could read this
straight out of the newspaper,
00:41:05.36\00:41:07.53
"Lovers of
themselves, lovers of money,
00:41:07.56\00:41:10.33
boasters, proud, blasphemers,
00:41:10.37\00:41:14.94
disobedient to parents,
00:41:14.97\00:41:17.47
unthankful, unholy, unloving,
00:41:17.51\00:41:20.34
unforgiving, slanderers,
without self-control, brutal,
00:41:20.38\00:41:25.51
despisers of good,
traitors, headstrong, haughty,
00:41:25.55\00:41:29.95
lovers of pleasure
rather than lovers of God,
00:41:29.98\00:41:33.15
having the form of
godliness but denying its power.
00:41:33.19\00:41:36.76
And from such people turn away!
00:41:36.79\00:41:39.59
For of this sort are
those who creep into households
00:41:39.63\00:41:42.16
and make
captives of gullible women
00:41:42.20\00:41:44.03
loaded down with sins,
00:41:44.07\00:41:45.67
led away by
various lusts also learning
00:41:45.70\00:41:48.70
and never able to come to
the knowledge of the truth."
00:41:48.74\00:41:50.61
Always learning.
00:41:50.64\00:41:51.97
"Always
learning and never coming
00:41:52.01\00:41:53.34
to the knowledge of the truth."
00:41:53.38\00:41:54.71
Wow.
00:41:54.74\00:41:56.08
This sounds like
you said a newspaper.
00:41:56.11\00:41:57.81
And more than that, look at 4:3,
00:41:57.85\00:41:59.95
"For the time will come
00:41:59.98\00:42:01.32
when they will not
endure sound doctrine,
00:42:01.35\00:42:03.59
but according to
their own desires,
00:42:03.62\00:42:05.09
because they have itching ears,
00:42:05.12\00:42:06.45
they will heap up
for themselves teachers,
00:42:06.49\00:42:08.56
and they will turn
their ears from the truth,
00:42:08.59\00:42:10.93
and be turned aside to fables."
00:42:10.96\00:42:12.79
Oh, wow, that's good.
00:42:12.83\00:42:14.16
"But you be
watchful in all things,
00:42:14.20\00:42:16.00
endure afflictions,"
00:42:16.03\00:42:18.47
excuse me, "do the
work of an evangelist,
00:42:18.50\00:42:20.74
fulfill your ministry."
00:42:20.77\00:42:22.70
So here not only
will we become corrupt
00:42:22.74\00:42:25.21
in our nature even more,
00:42:25.24\00:42:27.64
but even as far as
Christians are concerned,
00:42:27.68\00:42:30.41
we will not
endure sound doctrine
00:42:30.45\00:42:32.21
but raise up for ourselves,
teachers to teach things
00:42:32.25\00:42:36.42
that our
itching ears wanna hear,
00:42:36.45\00:42:38.25
so that we feel we're fine.
00:42:38.29\00:42:39.95
Yes.
00:42:39.99\00:42:41.32
And that is
another one of those signs
00:42:41.36\00:42:44.09
that are almost at
the unobvious sign.
00:42:44.13\00:42:47.10
It's kind of the
ones you have to sort
00:42:47.13\00:42:48.46
through in the
smorgasbord of end-time events
00:42:48.50\00:42:54.40
because it's not so pointed,
00:42:54.44\00:42:57.14
but Jesus did bring it
out because in Matthew 24:4.
00:42:57.17\00:43:00.61
One of the first
things He said was,
00:43:00.64\00:43:02.94
"Take heed that
no one deceives you."
00:43:02.98\00:43:05.18
That's right.
00:43:05.21\00:43:06.55
You see, so how
would a person be deceived?
00:43:06.58\00:43:09.42
They will turn their
ears away from the truth...
00:43:09.45\00:43:12.19
The Word of God. And
be turn aside to fables.
00:43:12.22\00:43:14.62
So those of you that are
listening to this program,
00:43:14.66\00:43:18.36
whatever the media may be,
whether radio or television,
00:43:18.39\00:43:21.73
be very careful
00:43:21.76\00:43:23.10
to allow the Word of
God to be the guideline
00:43:23.13\00:43:26.30
about things that are
transpiring in our world
00:43:26.33\00:43:28.14
because so many
things that we talked about
00:43:28.17\00:43:30.64
and ministers
that are not allowing
00:43:30.67\00:43:32.04
the Word of God
to be their guideline
00:43:32.07\00:43:33.88
will try to come up with
their own end-time scenarios.
00:43:33.91\00:43:36.44
A lot of denominations
say, we follow the Bible.
00:43:36.48\00:43:40.78
But I'll tell you,
not all the denominations
00:43:40.82\00:43:42.68
and those teaching the Bible
00:43:42.72\00:43:44.05
are actually
interpreting it correctly.
00:43:44.09\00:43:46.45
That's the issue.
00:43:46.49\00:43:47.82
It's not just reading the Bible.
00:43:47.86\00:43:49.79
It's how they infuse
their own interpretations
00:43:49.82\00:43:52.09
into it to spin it in
a way that is enticing
00:43:52.13\00:43:57.07
and acceptable to
those who are hearing it
00:43:57.10\00:43:59.00
which is what Paul is
saying here in the 2 Timothy.
00:43:59.03\00:44:01.74
Now, John, I know, time-wise,
00:44:01.77\00:44:04.31
we don't have a
lot of time here.
00:44:04.34\00:44:06.37
If you go to the
Book of Revelation,
00:44:06.41\00:44:08.61
we've got the Second Coming
that happens right at the end,
00:44:08.64\00:44:11.41
right in the midst of all
this turmoil and calamity.
00:44:11.45\00:44:15.65
And Revelation 19 talks about
the Second Coming of Jesus.
00:44:15.68\00:44:19.29
Yes, it does.
00:44:19.32\00:44:20.66
And it says here,
during this time of calamity,
00:44:20.69\00:44:25.79
that Jesus suddenly appears.
00:44:25.83\00:44:28.83
And John records
this in verse 11,
00:44:28.86\00:44:31.27
look at Revelation 19:11,
00:44:31.30\00:44:32.63
"I saw heaven opened,
and behold, a white horse.
00:44:32.67\00:44:35.77
And He who sat on him
was called Faithful and True,
00:44:35.80\00:44:38.17
and in righteousness
He judges and makes war.
00:44:38.21\00:44:41.61
His eyes were
like a flame of fire,
00:44:41.64\00:44:43.04
and on His own
head were many crowns.
00:44:43.08\00:44:45.75
He had a name written that
no one knew except Himself."
00:44:45.78\00:44:49.58
Now the reason He comes
and judges and makes war
00:44:49.62\00:44:52.05
is because the world is in war.
00:44:52.09\00:44:54.36
And He's saying,
"I'm here to take over."
00:44:54.39\00:44:57.19
This is it.
00:44:57.23\00:44:59.06
And it says, "He was clothed
with a robe dipped in blood,
00:44:59.09\00:45:01.63
and His name is
called The Word of God."
00:45:01.66\00:45:04.87
Interesting, how He judges
00:45:04.90\00:45:06.97
and He's called the Word of God.
00:45:07.00\00:45:08.44
What is the
standard of judgment then.
00:45:08.47\00:45:10.04
The Word of God. The Word.
00:45:10.07\00:45:11.41
That's right.
00:45:11.44\00:45:12.77
"And the armies in
heaven, clothed with fine linen,
00:45:12.81\00:45:16.31
white and clean,
followed Him on white horses.
00:45:16.34\00:45:20.25
Out of His mouth
goes a sharp sword,
00:45:20.28\00:45:24.09
that with it He
should strike the nations.
00:45:24.12\00:45:26.59
And He Himself will
rule them with a rod of iron.
00:45:26.62\00:45:29.32
He Himself treads the
winepress of the fierceness
00:45:29.36\00:45:32.09
and wrath of Almighty God."
00:45:32.13\00:45:34.86
Okay.
00:45:34.90\00:45:36.23
And the last one, of
course, "He had on His robe,
00:45:36.26\00:45:38.90
a name that is written King
of kings and Lord of lords."
00:45:38.93\00:45:42.70
What's so beautiful
about the two references
00:45:42.74\00:45:44.91
to these points made
in the references you read
00:45:44.94\00:45:47.58
was the Word of God
and the sharp sword,
00:45:47.61\00:45:49.91
both references
to the Word of God.
00:45:49.94\00:45:51.28
That's right.
00:45:51.31\00:45:52.65
Hebrew says, "The Word of
God is quick and powerful,
00:45:52.68\00:45:54.15
sharper than any
two-edged sword."
00:45:54.18\00:45:56.18
So the very Word of God
00:45:56.22\00:45:57.55
that people
have chosen to ignore
00:45:57.59\00:45:59.95
is the Word of God
00:45:59.99\00:46:01.32
they will face at
the coming of Christ.
00:46:01.36\00:46:02.96
So it's not good to
ignore the Word of God and fear
00:46:02.99\00:46:04.79
that in our ignorance
00:46:04.83\00:46:06.49
or in our
choosing to be ignorant
00:46:06.53\00:46:08.00
that we're
gonna be able to avoid
00:46:08.03\00:46:10.23
facing the bar,
facing the judgment.
00:46:10.27\00:46:11.90
And even in
reading the Word of God
00:46:11.93\00:46:13.60
and not rightly dividing it,
00:46:13.64\00:46:15.17
as it says, rightly
divide the word of truth.
00:46:15.20\00:46:18.87
So you have to
interpret it correctly.
00:46:18.91\00:46:23.35
If you're going to
be found acceptable
00:46:23.38\00:46:25.78
and favorable in this
time where God comes to judge.
00:46:25.81\00:46:29.45
One of the questions I asked,
00:46:29.48\00:46:30.82
"When did truth
become a bad word?"
00:46:30.85\00:46:32.35
I just don't understand that
people are not gonna be lost
00:46:34.26\00:46:36.12
because they
don't love the Lord.
00:46:36.16\00:46:38.03
But this deception
that's gonna prevail
00:46:38.06\00:46:40.00
is something that is a
part of the end time events.
00:46:40.03\00:46:41.93
You talked about that.
00:46:41.96\00:46:43.30
You know, beware
that no one deceive you.
00:46:43.33\00:46:44.77
Jesus says that
in Matthew 24:3-4,
00:46:44.80\00:46:47.44
and then false
christs and false prophets
00:46:47.47\00:46:49.67
will arise and
try to deceive many.
00:46:49.70\00:46:51.47
And the Bible says,
many will be deceived,
00:46:51.51\00:46:53.94
but what would
they be deceived by?
00:46:53.98\00:46:56.04
If you go to 2 Thessalonians.
00:46:56.08\00:46:57.98
Is that you're turning to?
I knew you were heading there.
00:46:58.01\00:46:59.81
Oh, okay, John, I tell you,
00:46:59.85\00:47:01.88
we share the
same name and we share
00:47:01.92\00:47:03.55
a lot of things in common.
00:47:03.59\00:47:05.05
I want you to
read 2 Thessalonians
00:47:05.09\00:47:06.42
where it talks
about one of the reasons
00:47:06.45\00:47:07.79
why there will be so many lost,
00:47:07.82\00:47:11.29
because Satan is
working in countless ways.
00:47:11.33\00:47:15.86
He's not always working
right in front of our faces.
00:47:15.90\00:47:19.13
But he sometimes work with those
00:47:19.17\00:47:20.77
that we choose to be leaders.
00:47:20.80\00:47:22.34
And what those
leaders seek to do
00:47:22.37\00:47:24.94
is to lead us away
00:47:24.97\00:47:27.58
from the validity of God's Word.
00:47:27.61\00:47:29.68
But, and what happens then,
00:47:29.71\00:47:31.31
the very
foundation that we believed
00:47:31.35\00:47:33.31
were accepted as
the sure foundation,
00:47:33.35\00:47:35.65
all of a sudden
begins to fall away,
00:47:35.68\00:47:38.39
and we begin to tread
on a very shaky foundation.
00:47:38.42\00:47:40.82
Why don't you?
00:47:40.86\00:47:42.19
You're in 2
Thessalonians, are you?
00:47:42.22\00:47:43.59
I was gonna read 2:1
00:47:43.63\00:47:45.09
just to kind of
set the ripple here.
00:47:45.13\00:47:46.59
Okay, great,
that's... Okay, go ahead.
00:47:46.63\00:47:48.40
It says, "Now, brethren,
00:47:48.43\00:47:49.76
concerning the coming
of our Lord Jesus Christ."
00:47:49.80\00:47:52.17
So the subject is what?
00:47:52.20\00:47:54.34
The Second Coming.
00:47:54.37\00:47:56.04
"And our
gathering together to Him."
00:47:56.07\00:47:58.97
So all of us
together are gathered to Him,
00:47:59.01\00:48:01.64
"We ask you, not to be
00:48:01.68\00:48:03.01
soon shaken in mind or troubled,
00:48:03.04\00:48:04.38
either by spirit or
by word or by letter,
00:48:04.41\00:48:06.92
as it from us, as though
the day of Christ has come.
00:48:06.95\00:48:10.39
Let no one deceive you
by any means, for that Day,"
00:48:10.42\00:48:13.36
that is the day
of Christ coming,
00:48:13.39\00:48:14.72
"will not come unless
the falling away comes first,
00:48:14.76\00:48:18.93
and the man of sin is
revealed, the son of perdition,
00:48:18.96\00:48:22.33
who opposes and exalts himself
above all that is called God
00:48:22.36\00:48:26.27
or that is worshiped,
00:48:26.30\00:48:27.64
so that he sits as
God in the temple of God,
00:48:27.67\00:48:29.67
showing himself that he is God."
00:48:29.70\00:48:33.64
So there you have
that false christ.
00:48:33.68\00:48:36.34
You not only have systems
00:48:36.38\00:48:38.78
that have replicated this
very thing claiming to be God,
00:48:38.81\00:48:43.08
as was the case
when I saw the...
00:48:43.12\00:48:46.19
I got a recent magazine.
00:48:46.22\00:48:48.29
The Vicar of Christ
00:48:48.32\00:48:49.89
was on the side of this magazine
00:48:49.92\00:48:51.53
with the installation
of the most recent Pope,
00:48:51.56\00:48:53.63
and the Vicar in
fact is like God on earth.
00:48:53.66\00:48:57.07
And, you know,
00:48:57.10\00:48:58.83
there's no man
qualified to be God on earth,
00:48:58.87\00:49:02.27
through whom many of
these things could come.
00:49:02.30\00:49:04.71
But I want you to
also point out in verse 7,
00:49:04.74\00:49:08.68
the Lord makes it very clear,
00:49:08.71\00:49:10.51
why the conditions
will happen the way they do,
00:49:10.55\00:49:12.85
why people will be deceived.
00:49:12.88\00:49:14.48
Notice what He says,
and I'm gonna read verse 7,
00:49:14.52\00:49:17.72
here it says,
00:49:17.75\00:49:19.25
"For the mystery of lawlessness
or iniquities already at work,
00:49:19.29\00:49:23.09
only He who now
restrains will do so
00:49:23.12\00:49:25.96
until He is
taken out of the way.
00:49:25.99\00:49:28.50
And when the lawless one,
00:49:28.53\00:49:30.17
and then the lawless
one will be revealed,
00:49:30.20\00:49:32.83
whom the Lord will consume
with the breath of His mouth
00:49:32.87\00:49:35.77
and destroy with the
brightness of His coming.
00:49:35.80\00:49:39.54
The coming of the lawless one
00:49:39.57\00:49:41.61
is according to
the working of Satan,
00:49:41.64\00:49:43.11
with all power, signs, and,"
what kind of wonders, John?
00:49:43.14\00:49:47.32
Lying wonders. "Lying wonders."
00:49:47.35\00:49:48.68
Who's behind all that?
00:49:48.72\00:49:50.05
Satan is behind all that,
00:49:50.09\00:49:51.42
but now read verse
10 down to verse 12.
00:49:51.45\00:49:53.79
And I want you to bring out
00:49:53.82\00:49:55.42
the point that
these verses indicate
00:49:55.46\00:49:57.36
what the only anchor is
that we find our safety in.
00:49:57.39\00:50:02.10
"And with all
unrighteous deception..."
00:50:02.13\00:50:04.00
Remember, Jesus says,
00:50:04.03\00:50:05.37
I don't want you to be deceived.
00:50:05.40\00:50:06.74
That's right.
00:50:06.77\00:50:08.10
"Among those who perish,
00:50:08.14\00:50:09.47
because why they did not receive
00:50:09.50\00:50:11.04
the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
00:50:11.07\00:50:16.38
And for this reason
00:50:16.41\00:50:17.75
God will send
them strong delusion,
00:50:17.78\00:50:19.11
that they
should believe the lie,
00:50:19.15\00:50:21.85
that they all may be condemned
00:50:21.88\00:50:23.89
who did not believe the truth
00:50:23.92\00:50:26.02
but had pleasure
in unrighteousness."
00:50:26.05\00:50:27.92
What two things are missing?
00:50:27.96\00:50:29.29
They didn't love the truth,
00:50:29.32\00:50:30.93
and they didn't
believe the truth.
00:50:30.96\00:50:33.36
It's amazing.
00:50:33.40\00:50:34.73
If you say, this is
what's going to happen.
00:50:34.76\00:50:37.57
First of all, I
don't believe it.
00:50:37.60\00:50:39.33
And because I don't
believe it, I don't love it.
00:50:39.37\00:50:41.57
But here's the
other guideline here.
00:50:41.60\00:50:43.41
It is not saying
that it's enough.
00:50:43.44\00:50:45.37
It's not enough
to have the truth,
00:50:45.41\00:50:47.11
but you have to believe it.
00:50:47.14\00:50:48.48
And even more than
that, you have to love it.
00:50:48.51\00:50:51.38
Because then you
cut off the possibility
00:50:51.41\00:50:54.22
of the strong delusion coming.
00:50:54.25\00:50:56.48
And the strong delusion,
00:50:56.52\00:50:57.89
which I see the
Bible talks about,
00:50:57.92\00:50:59.49
what will be great...
00:50:59.52\00:51:00.86
what would be a
stronger delusion
00:51:00.89\00:51:02.42
than somebody coming to claim
to be Christ looking the part?
00:51:02.46\00:51:07.10
And as Matthew 24
says, you'll hear the cries,
00:51:07.13\00:51:10.80
Christ has
come, Christ has come.
00:51:10.83\00:51:12.73
You see, they'll say
He's in the secret chamber
00:51:12.77\00:51:14.67
or He's in the desert.
00:51:14.70\00:51:16.04
And we're told,
don't believe it.
00:51:16.07\00:51:17.74
It's not him.
00:51:17.77\00:51:19.11
What other delusion
can be stronger than that?
00:51:19.14\00:51:21.58
What kind of persecution
can you imagine happening
00:51:21.61\00:51:24.75
when a group steps up and says,
00:51:24.78\00:51:26.75
that's not Christ, that's Satan?
00:51:26.78\00:51:30.02
And those following him, say,
00:51:30.05\00:51:31.65
you're a blasphemer
against God Himself.
00:51:31.69\00:51:34.66
I mean, what
kind of polarization
00:51:34.69\00:51:36.52
will occur during that time?
00:51:36.56\00:51:38.06
I tell you, Matthew says it.
00:51:38.09\00:51:39.49
"You will be
hated of all nations."
00:51:39.53\00:51:40.86
Yes.
00:51:40.90\00:51:42.23
"Then shall they
deliver you up to be afflicted,
00:51:42.26\00:51:46.03
you shall be
hated of all nations
00:51:46.07\00:51:48.44
for My name's
sake," the Lord says.
00:51:48.47\00:51:50.87
Praise the Lord.
He shortens the time.
00:51:50.91\00:51:53.24
Jesus comes to
deliver His people.
00:51:53.27\00:51:56.08
And what we find then happens
is Chapter 20 of Revelation,
00:51:56.11\00:52:00.78
which is called
the thousand years.
00:52:00.82\00:52:03.89
Now notice, big
point, John, you ready?
00:52:03.92\00:52:05.32
Go for it.
00:52:05.35\00:52:06.69
Chapter 20
happens after Chapter 19.
00:52:06.72\00:52:10.99
And so what you have here
is the thousand years occurring
00:52:11.03\00:52:15.26
after the
Second Coming of Jesus.
00:52:15.30\00:52:18.23
And not only that,
the Second Coming of Jesus
00:52:18.27\00:52:20.50
leaves the earth in desolation
00:52:20.54\00:52:22.47
as described in
Chapter 19, from 17-21.
00:52:22.50\00:52:26.88
That's right.
00:52:26.91\00:52:28.41
So the thousand
years where it says,
00:52:28.44\00:52:30.68
"The angel begins
00:52:30.71\00:52:32.05
with the angel
coming down from heaven,
00:52:32.08\00:52:34.68
having the key to
the bottomless pit
00:52:34.72\00:52:36.65
and a great chain in his hand.
00:52:36.69\00:52:38.62
He laid hold of the
dragon, that serpent of old,
00:52:38.65\00:52:40.76
called the Devil and Satan,
00:52:40.79\00:52:42.12
and bound him
for a thousand years,
00:52:42.16\00:52:43.49
and cast him into
the bottomless pit,
00:52:43.53\00:52:44.96
and shut him up,
and set a seal on him,
00:52:44.99\00:52:48.10
so that he should
deceive the nations
00:52:48.13\00:52:49.46
no more till the
thousand years were finished.
00:52:49.50\00:52:52.13
But after these things
00:52:52.17\00:52:53.50
he must be released
for a little while."
00:52:53.54\00:52:55.00
That is the
description of what happens
00:52:55.04\00:52:56.44
at the beginning
of the thousand years.
00:52:56.47\00:52:57.91
That's right.
00:52:57.94\00:52:59.27
On this earth
with no one here alive
00:52:59.31\00:53:02.71
because the wicked have died
00:53:02.74\00:53:04.08
at the brightness
of Christ's coming.
00:53:04.11\00:53:06.92
The righteous had been taken
00:53:06.95\00:53:08.42
caught up by Christ in the air
and taken to heaven with Him.
00:53:08.45\00:53:12.09
Where they live with
Him for a thousand years,
00:53:12.12\00:53:14.12
not He lived with
them, they live with Him,
00:53:14.16\00:53:17.23
for a thousand years.
00:53:17.26\00:53:19.23
And that's what
it says in verse 4.
00:53:19.26\00:53:20.60
Look at verse, read
verse 4 there of Chapter 20?
00:53:20.63\00:53:23.16
Yeah, and that it
says, "And I saw thrones,
00:53:23.20\00:53:25.27
and they sat on them,
00:53:25.30\00:53:27.20
and judgment was
committed to them.
00:53:27.24\00:53:30.57
And I saw the souls of
those who had been beheaded
00:53:30.61\00:53:33.07
for their witness to
Jesus and for the Word of God,
00:53:33.11\00:53:37.55
who had not worshiped
the beast or his image,
00:53:37.58\00:53:41.28
and had not received his mark
00:53:41.32\00:53:43.35
on their
foreheads or on their hands.
00:53:43.39\00:53:46.22
And they lived and
reigned with Christ
00:53:46.25\00:53:47.99
for a thousand years."
00:53:48.02\00:53:50.26
You know, I like this phrase,
00:53:50.29\00:53:51.73
and I saw the souls of
those who had been beheaded.
00:53:51.76\00:53:54.46
And it says, now right there,
that's the perfect example
00:53:54.50\00:53:57.83
to show you that
the word souls there
00:53:57.87\00:53:59.73
is not referring
to disembodied spirits
00:53:59.77\00:54:02.60
because as we say, how
many people are on board,
00:54:02.64\00:54:05.47
when an airplane
manifest is closed?
00:54:05.51\00:54:07.01
We have 4000. We have 350 souls.
00:54:07.04\00:54:09.94
How many on the
ship? We have 3000 souls.
00:54:09.98\00:54:12.48
This is the one
example here that I love.
00:54:12.51\00:54:15.48
The Bible puts this.
00:54:15.52\00:54:16.85
He says, "I saw
the souls of those
00:54:16.89\00:54:18.99
who had been
beheaded for their witness
00:54:19.02\00:54:20.42
and for to Jesus and
for the Word of God."
00:54:20.46\00:54:23.59
These are the ones who
had gone through tribulation.
00:54:23.63\00:54:25.96
These are the ones who
had prior to this point
00:54:25.99\00:54:27.63
had been beheaded.
00:54:27.66\00:54:29.00
They had been martyred.
00:54:29.03\00:54:30.37
And they've received
their glorified bodies.
00:54:30.40\00:54:31.90
Exactly. And
they're still called souls.
00:54:31.93\00:54:33.47
Exactly. There you go.
00:54:33.50\00:54:34.94
See, so this is
the terminology here,
00:54:34.97\00:54:37.44
similar to the
very same statement
00:54:37.47\00:54:39.07
made in the Ezekiel 18:4,
00:54:39.11\00:54:40.48
"The soul that
sinneth, it shall die."
00:54:40.51\00:54:42.11
It's the same
contextual sentence.
00:54:42.14\00:54:43.88
It's the same transliteration
now but here in the Greek
00:54:43.91\00:54:46.65
as compared to
there in the Hebrew,
00:54:46.68\00:54:48.48
so it shows you that
souls are disembodied,
00:54:48.52\00:54:51.09
and what, if I saw the
souls, where are the bodies?
00:54:51.12\00:54:53.46
That's what people tend
to exegetically add to this,
00:54:53.49\00:54:56.09
but this is talking
about the complete individual,
00:54:56.12\00:54:57.79
they're there.
00:54:57.83\00:54:59.16
I saw those who had died.
00:54:59.19\00:55:00.83
And then it says in verse 5,
00:55:00.86\00:55:02.70
showing you that all
the righteous are in heaven.
00:55:02.73\00:55:05.87
"But the rest of the
dead did not live again
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until the thousand
years were finished."
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What you're
witnessing from verse 1-4,
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this is the first resurrection.
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Powerful. It is.
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In the first resurrection,
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Jesus takes the
saints to heaven,
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but the rest of the dead
those that died at that event,
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or that sleep not in Jesus,
but as wicked did not live.
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That's right.
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They're not alive
during the thousand years.
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And this whole teaching today
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about the
millennial reign of Christ
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on this earth over,
even both the righteous
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and the wicked is just not true.
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Right.
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And then it says, "Blessed
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and holy is he who has
part in the first resurrection."
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Friends, there
are two resurrections.
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The first one is the
one you want to be in.
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That's right.
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That's the one
that Jesus calls you
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with the last trumpeting
brings you to heaven with Him.
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The second
resurrection is this goes on,
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occurs at the end
of the thousand years
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when the wicked
are raised to judgment.
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But read the rest of verse 6?
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"Over such the
second death has no power,
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but they shall be
priests of God and of Christ,
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and shall reign with
Him a thousand years."
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That's right.
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So this first
resurrection is the one that
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allows us to put on immortality
when you put on immortality.
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Does the second death
have any power over you?
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Absolutely not.
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Now when the
thousand years have expired,
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Satan will be
released from his prison
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and will go out to
deceive the nations.
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In other words, the dead
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who are wicked have been raised,
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they're deceived by Satan again.
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It says that they
attack the city at that time,
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and that is when the
fire from heaven comes down
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and devours them
known as the lake of fire.
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This is the event, notice,
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I said we call hell not a place.
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It's an event
called hell. That's right.
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Where there will be fire,
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where there will be destruction,
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where people will be
destroyed in the lake of fire.
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And so I mean, when people
say, is this going to be real?
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What do you say? It's real.
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And it's the final thing
that happens at the very end,
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after the thousand years.
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That's right.
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So, friends,
you'll see when you study
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the Bible
carefully and the concept
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in the sequential
understanding of what happens,
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coming of Christ, resurrection,
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the dead are still on the grave,
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that are wicked.
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They come forth
after the thousand years,
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and then all are destroyed,
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to make the earth
prepared for the saints,
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in their eternal
setting with the Lord.
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So, friends, get
ready for that event.
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When it comes,
it's gonna be amazing.
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God bless you.
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