Hello, friends, grab your Bible 00:00:01.40\00:00:02.77 and a friend and sit back 00:00:02.80\00:00:04.17 as we explore God's word together 00:00:04.20\00:00:05.57 on this edition of "House Calls." 00:00:05.60\00:00:08.04 Welcome to "House Calls" again. 00:00:22.05\00:00:24.57 If you've tuned in before that again applies to you, 00:00:24.60\00:00:26.95 but if you've never tuned in before, 00:00:26.98\00:00:28.36 welcome to "House Calls." 00:00:28.39\00:00:30.13 This is the place where you can trust the word of God 00:00:30.16\00:00:32.72 and that's the only book that we use actually for the program. 00:00:32.75\00:00:35.37 My name is John, but it's not a unique name, 00:00:35.40\00:00:37.97 because he has the same name. 00:00:38.00\00:00:39.37 How are you doing, John? 00:00:39.40\00:00:40.77 Good to be here. 00:00:40.80\00:00:42.17 Man, I tell you we have been doing this program 00:00:42.20\00:00:43.57 for a good bit of time together. 00:00:43.60\00:00:45.38 Eight years. 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Right. 00:04:15.86\00:04:18.35 But I think to a degree, 00:04:18.38\00:04:19.75 there also were some elements here of pride, 00:04:19.78\00:04:21.81 'cause we know through the disciples, 00:04:21.84\00:04:23.22 the 12 that were around Him. 00:04:23.25\00:04:24.62 There were a lot of prideful moments 00:04:24.65\00:04:26.02 that Christ had to kind of work around and bring them through 00:04:26.05\00:04:29.77 and help to teach them lessons out of. 00:04:29.80\00:04:33.03 And the same thing is happening I believe here with the 70 00:04:33.06\00:04:35.30 and that they're coming back and reporting 00:04:35.33\00:04:37.64 that all these things are happening in Your name, 00:04:37.67\00:04:40.54 that the demons fled at Your name 00:04:40.57\00:04:42.62 and they were just amazed by this whole thing. 00:04:42.65\00:04:46.21 The response that Christ brings to their statement here 00:04:46.24\00:04:49.53 seems to indicate what the lesson was 00:04:49.56\00:04:51.38 that He was trying to teach them. 00:04:51.41\00:04:53.12 And really what-- in essence 00:04:53.15\00:04:54.52 if I were to use the shortest term 00:04:54.55\00:04:55.92 possible here in His lesson, 00:04:55.95\00:04:57.32 it would be that I am--it's by My authority, 00:04:57.35\00:05:00.83 it's because of Me, it's because of My Father in Heaven, 00:05:00.86\00:05:03.58 His Spirit that these miracles 00:05:03.61\00:05:05.37 are happening, not because of you. 00:05:05.40\00:05:08.72 It is all about the Son of God. 00:05:08.75\00:05:11.46 Because He is saying here in His response, 00:05:11.49\00:05:14.09 "I saw lightning--Satan fall like lightning from heaven." 00:05:14.12\00:05:16.83 I was there when Satan fell. 00:05:16.86\00:05:19.39 So I know about how demons are subject 00:05:19.42\00:05:22.01 to My Father in Heaven 00:05:22.04\00:05:23.97 and to the authority of the Godhead. 00:05:24.00\00:05:26.31 That's right. 00:05:26.34\00:05:27.71 And then He goes, He transitions on 00:05:27.74\00:05:29.57 to that by saying, "I give you this authority." 00:05:29.60\00:05:32.78 In other words, it's My authority given to you, 00:05:32.81\00:05:35.41 so that you can trample on serpents and scorpions 00:05:35.44\00:05:38.82 and over all the power of the enemy, 00:05:38.85\00:05:40.22 that nothing can happen to you or anything hurt you. 00:05:40.25\00:05:44.10 But the lesson then is drawn in verse 20 which is, 00:05:44.13\00:05:47.44 "Nevertheless," in other words, 00:05:47.47\00:05:49.23 now although I give you all this authority, 00:05:49.26\00:05:51.77 remember this, "Don't rejoice just because you got power, 00:05:51.80\00:05:55.72 but rather rejoice that your names are written in heaven." 00:05:55.75\00:05:58.66 In other words, I'm the one that gives you the power. 00:05:58.69\00:06:00.95 I'm the one that gives you the strength. 00:06:00.98\00:06:03.25 My Father is the one 00:06:03.28\00:06:04.65 that is performing these miracles for you. 00:06:04.68\00:06:06.28 Don't get too heady about this, 00:06:06.31\00:06:09.09 because the rejoicing you should have is that 00:06:09.12\00:06:12.30 God has saved you, He's redeemed you, 00:06:12.33\00:06:14.50 and He has written your names in the Book of Life. 00:06:14.53\00:06:16.87 Okay. And so I think there's a little bit of a-- 00:06:16.90\00:06:19.22 trying to bring them back to a position of humility here 00:06:19.25\00:06:22.37 rather than being headstrong or prideful about 00:06:22.40\00:06:26.00 what's happening with the power 00:06:26.03\00:06:28.31 they now had in Christ. 00:06:28.34\00:06:30.02 So this person's initial question was what-- 00:06:30.05\00:06:32.49 What was the lesson Jesus was trying to teach 00:06:32.52\00:06:34.77 by saying, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven?" 00:06:34.80\00:06:37.84 So they're pretty much saying that all the authority 00:06:37.87\00:06:43.04 to evict Satan in essence is in God's hand. 00:06:43.07\00:06:46.99 Comes from God, not what they're doing. 00:06:47.02\00:06:49.02 Not in the hands of man. 00:06:49.05\00:06:50.55 You know, I don't really have a whole lot to add to that. 00:06:50.58\00:06:52.96 I think it's a good lesson for us, too, right? 00:06:52.99\00:06:55.11 I mean, we need to remember that God's on the throne, 00:06:55.14\00:06:57.83 through Christ we have everything 00:06:57.86\00:06:59.34 that we need and it is His power. 00:06:59.37\00:07:01.75 And I think we need to be very careful, 00:07:01.78\00:07:03.15 because we can get into this trap, too, John. 00:07:03.18\00:07:04.83 We've heard, you know, 00:07:04.86\00:07:06.34 if you just speak Jesus' name and rebuke in Jesus' name, 00:07:06.37\00:07:09.88 it's almost like this power that they--that we innately have, 00:07:09.91\00:07:12.75 because we believe in Jesus to fight demons. 00:07:12.78\00:07:15.52 But I think that can get us in trouble. 00:07:15.55\00:07:17.51 Even Jesus said when contending for the body of Moses, 00:07:17.54\00:07:20.27 "The Lord rebuke you." 00:07:20.30\00:07:22.87 Right? Right. 00:07:22.90\00:07:24.27 Even when Satan came to tempt Him, 00:07:24.30\00:07:25.67 He said, "It is written." 00:07:25.70\00:07:27.68 So He didn't say in His authority. 00:07:27.71\00:07:30.17 He was referring to the word that had power, 00:07:30.20\00:07:32.65 the authority of His Father that had power, 00:07:32.68\00:07:34.75 the Godhead who provides the power here. 00:07:34.78\00:07:37.09 And we need to remember that, we are dependent upon God 00:07:37.12\00:07:38.95 every moment of every day to fight the enemy. 00:07:38.98\00:07:41.57 So that's anyway, that's a good lesson for us to know. 00:07:41.60\00:07:43.72 So thank you for that question. 00:07:43.75\00:07:45.12 Okay. Now this one-- 00:07:45.15\00:07:47.14 this is a question from Audrey, and they ask this question. 00:07:47.17\00:07:52.24 "I am a bit confused with where exactly 00:07:52.27\00:07:55.63 the golden altar of incense stood in the sanctuary. 00:07:55.66\00:07:59.84 In Exodus 30:6, the Bible says 00:07:59.87\00:08:02.16 that it was placed in the Holy Place. 00:08:02.19\00:08:05.23 However, when we read the Bible, in Hebrews 9:3 and 4, 00:08:05.26\00:08:09.00 it seems that the golden altar of incense 00:08:09.03\00:08:12.89 was placed in the Most Holy Place. 00:08:12.92\00:08:15.72 Which is which, the Holy Place or the Most Holy Place?" 00:08:15.75\00:08:20.28 So I said, Audrey--Aubrey-- 00:08:20.31\00:08:22.98 well, the answer to that, Aubrey, is really clear. 00:08:23.01\00:08:26.28 The altar of incense was in the Holy Place, 00:08:26.31\00:08:29.71 right before the curtain 00:08:29.74\00:08:31.91 that separated the Holy from the Most Holy, 00:08:31.94\00:08:34.49 because the incense from the golden altar 00:08:34.52\00:08:36.87 was to rise and enter into the Most Holy Place. 00:08:36.90\00:08:42.37 So the apparent contradiction 00:08:42.40\00:08:46.88 in the language that you find in Hebrews 00:08:46.91\00:08:49.18 is not intended to remove 00:08:49.21\00:08:53.56 the original position of the altar of incense. 00:08:53.59\00:08:57.24 It was never in the Most Holy Place. 00:08:57.27\00:08:59.61 It was right before the curtain of the Most Holy Place. 00:08:59.64\00:09:02.77 It was always the last piece of furniture 00:09:02.80\00:09:05.58 before you get into the Most Holy Place, 00:09:05.61\00:09:07.67 right in front of the curtain. 00:09:07.70\00:09:09.07 And the rising of the incense, 00:09:09.10\00:09:11.19 in fact, the sweet smelling incense represented 00:09:11.22\00:09:15.24 the rising of the prayers of the saints. 00:09:15.27\00:09:18.71 So as you look at that and let me just go ahead and read 00:09:18.74\00:09:22.67 Hebrews 9 just to go it and give both of the views 00:09:22.70\00:09:26.94 that are spoken of here. 00:09:26.97\00:09:29.94 It says in Hebrews 9, I'll begin with verse 1. 00:09:29.97\00:09:33.64 "Then indeed, even the first covenant 00:09:33.67\00:09:35.81 had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. 00:09:35.84\00:09:40.71 For a tabernacle was prepared, 00:09:40.74\00:09:42.51 the first part, in which was the lampstand, 00:09:42.54\00:09:45.62 the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary. 00:09:45.65\00:09:52.23 And behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle 00:09:52.26\00:09:54.64 which is called the holiest of all, 00:09:54.67\00:09:56.96 which had the golden altar of incense 00:09:56.99\00:09:58.95 and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, 00:09:58.98\00:10:05.08 in which were the golden pot that had manna, 00:10:05.11\00:10:08.60 Aaron's rod that budded, 00:10:08.63\00:10:10.62 and the tablets of the covenants, 00:10:10.65\00:10:12.43 and above it were the cherubim of glory 00:10:12.46\00:10:14.39 overshadowing the mercy seat. 00:10:14.42\00:10:16.20 Of these things we cannot now speak in detail." 00:10:16.23\00:10:19.26 When you go to the Book of Leviticus 00:10:19.29\00:10:22.52 and you go to Exodus where the actual instructions 00:10:22.55\00:10:25.44 are given as to where to place it, 00:10:25.47\00:10:27.23 you find the reference you gave earlier perfectly 00:10:27.26\00:10:31.03 determines where that is located. 00:10:31.06\00:10:33.15 What we find in Hebrews here 00:10:33.18\00:10:34.84 is the summary of the old covenant, 00:10:34.87\00:10:38.68 not so much that the actual placement 00:10:38.71\00:10:41.23 of all the articles of furniture. 00:10:41.26\00:10:43.33 And as he said here, 00:10:43.36\00:10:45.09 "The details of which I cannot now speak in detail." 00:10:45.12\00:10:48.82 But look at the first five Books of the Bible, 00:10:48.85\00:10:51.34 and those are where the specific instructions 00:10:51.37\00:10:53.80 are given as to where these articles are to be placed. 00:10:53.83\00:10:57.03 And in summary, it's right before the curtain, 00:10:57.06\00:10:59.62 before you get into the Most Holy Place. 00:10:59.65\00:11:02.85 I did some study on this not too long ago. 00:11:02.88\00:11:05.80 This specific question because I had the same question. 00:11:05.83\00:11:09.27 And you're absolutely right. 00:11:09.30\00:11:11.03 Hebrews 9 is more of a summary of the service, 00:11:11.06\00:11:14.66 not where the articles were actually placed, 00:11:14.69\00:11:18.49 although it's part of that. It's included here. 00:11:18.52\00:11:21.27 But what I found is--I read some commentary on this 00:11:21.30\00:11:24.11 from other theologians and things. 00:11:24.14\00:11:26.77 In the Book of Hebrews Chapter 9 00:11:26.80\00:11:28.69 he's specifically talking about the ministry 00:11:28.72\00:11:30.78 that occurs before God's presence. 00:11:30.81\00:11:33.59 Right. 00:11:33.62\00:11:34.99 And you have a ministry delineated by the priest 00:11:35.02\00:11:39.07 who would come in and you had the candlestick 00:11:39.10\00:11:41.89 and you had the altar, 00:11:41.92\00:11:43.29 I mean, the table with the showbread on it, 00:11:43.32\00:11:45.90 but then you move forward toward the Most Holy Place. 00:11:45.93\00:11:49.51 Even though you don't go into the Most Holy, 00:11:49.54\00:11:51.42 you move toward the Most Holy 00:11:51.45\00:11:53.20 as you arrive at the altar of incense. 00:11:53.23\00:11:55.78 And the priest viewed the ministry there 00:11:55.81\00:11:58.59 of the burning of incense as connected with God's presence, 00:11:58.62\00:12:02.93 because what they were burning on there, 00:12:02.96\00:12:06.72 the incense, was mixed and then burned 00:12:06.75\00:12:09.73 and float into, as a sweet smelling aroma, 00:12:09.76\00:12:12.77 into the Most Holy Place. 00:12:12.80\00:12:14.17 Right. 00:12:14.20\00:12:15.57 So their view of the ministry 00:12:15.60\00:12:16.97 connected with the altar of incense 00:12:17.00\00:12:18.37 was very much connected to the Most Holy. 00:12:18.40\00:12:21.11 Exactly. And so this individual-- 00:12:21.14\00:12:23.92 this is a specific statement here by the writer of Hebrews, 00:12:23.95\00:12:26.78 he's really talking about the ministry 00:12:26.81\00:12:28.85 and walking through the sanctuary 00:12:28.88\00:12:30.46 and how the ministry that takes place there, 00:12:30.49\00:12:32.39 even though it was on a daily basis 00:12:32.42\00:12:34.48 at the altar of incense, 00:12:34.51\00:12:36.29 it really was connected with God's presence 00:12:36.32\00:12:38.25 and what was happening in the Most Holy. 00:12:38.28\00:12:40.76 They couldn't go there, 00:12:40.79\00:12:42.16 but the prayers of the saints 00:12:42.19\00:12:43.56 mixed with the righteousness of Christ 00:12:43.59\00:12:45.75 would appear before the Father in Heaven. 00:12:45.78\00:12:48.45 That's right. And so that's what we're seeing here. 00:12:48.48\00:12:50.30 So don't take it in a literal sense, 00:12:50.33\00:12:51.87 take it more as a perspective 00:12:51.90\00:12:54.21 on the ministry of the sanctuary services. 00:12:54.24\00:12:56.58 Okay, thank you. What else do you have for us? 00:12:56.61\00:13:00.57 "Who does Psalms 8:4 and 5 and Hebrews 2:5-7 apply to? 00:13:00.60\00:13:08.40 Does it apply to Jesus Christ or mortal mankind? 00:13:08.43\00:13:12.09 I've heard so many interpretations 00:13:12.12\00:13:13.57 surrounding these verses." 00:13:13.60\00:13:15.65 John, you have Psalms 8:4 and 5? 00:13:15.68\00:13:18.29 Okay. Read that one if you could. 00:13:18.32\00:13:22.40 They're both actually, Hebrews 2:5-7 00:13:22.43\00:13:25.60 is quoting from Psalms 8:4 and 5. 00:13:25.63\00:13:29.30 So I have you read Psalms 8:4 and 5 00:13:29.33\00:13:31.06 and then I'll elaborate on. 00:13:31.09\00:13:32.46 Okay, Psalm 8:4 and 5. 00:13:32.49\00:13:35.25 "What is man that You are mindful of him, 00:13:35.28\00:13:38.65 and the Son of Man that You visit him? 00:13:38.68\00:13:41.95 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, 00:13:41.98\00:13:45.05 and You have crowned him with glory and honor." 00:13:45.08\00:13:49.21 All right? Now you read that and you can-- 00:13:49.24\00:13:51.48 at first, it might appear 00:13:51.51\00:13:53.47 that the writer is talking about mankind. 00:13:53.50\00:13:56.70 Right. 00:13:56.73\00:13:58.10 But if you go to the Book of Hebrews 00:13:58.13\00:13:59.89 and Hebrews connects them directly with Psalms 8:4 and 5. 00:13:59.92\00:14:05.99 You find in the Book of Hebrews, 00:14:06.02\00:14:07.60 it's specifically connected to Christ 00:14:07.63\00:14:10.09 and what He as the representative of mankind 00:14:10.12\00:14:14.40 was sent to this earth to do. 00:14:14.43\00:14:16.08 And so I'm reading here now again from Hebrews 2, 00:14:16.11\00:14:19.97 I'll start with verse 5, but I'll read on beyond that, 00:14:20.00\00:14:22.33 so you'll see the context here. 00:14:22.36\00:14:24.40 "For He," that is capital H, 00:14:24.43\00:14:26.71 "has not put the world to come, 00:14:26.74\00:14:29.82 of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 00:14:29.85\00:14:32.12 But one testified in a certain place, saying, 00:14:32.15\00:14:35.44 'What is man that You are mindful of him, 00:14:35.47\00:14:37.58 or the Son of Man that You take care of him? 00:14:37.61\00:14:40.67 You have made him a little lower than the angels. 00:14:40.70\00:14:42.50 You have crowned him with glory and honor, 00:14:42.53\00:14:44.30 and set him over the works of Your hands. 00:14:44.33\00:14:46.13 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.' 00:14:46.16\00:14:49.72 For in that He put all in subjection under him. 00:14:49.75\00:14:54.82 He left nothing that is not put under him. 00:14:54.85\00:14:57.50 But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 00:14:57.53\00:15:01.84 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels." 00:15:01.87\00:15:05.58 Definition right there. Right. 00:15:05.61\00:15:07.15 We know by this statement here 00:15:07.18\00:15:08.89 that Psalms is actually referring to Christ Himself, 00:15:08.92\00:15:12.95 the Son of God. 00:15:12.98\00:15:15.10 And in the broader sense or in an exploded sense 00:15:15.13\00:15:19.39 when we refer to Jesus as the Son of Man, 00:15:19.42\00:15:22.73 He takes the very position as man. 00:15:22.76\00:15:24.63 That's right, as man. 00:15:24.66\00:15:26.03 So the definition that you find here in Psalms 00:15:26.06\00:15:29.31 applies to Him now because in this context being made 00:15:29.34\00:15:32.02 a little lower than the angels, 00:15:32.05\00:15:33.76 you're speaking about Him as the Son of Man. 00:15:33.79\00:15:36.48 Right. This is not speaking about Him in His preexistence. 00:15:36.51\00:15:39.82 This is speaking about Him 00:15:39.85\00:15:41.22 as He condescended and came to the earth 00:15:41.25\00:15:43.21 to be involved in the earthly ministry. 00:15:43.24\00:15:44.94 So it fits perfectly into the context. 00:15:44.97\00:15:46.87 Man made lower than the angels. 00:15:46.90\00:15:48.44 Jesus becoming man, lower than the angels. 00:15:48.47\00:15:50.69 And in respect to Psalms Chapter 8, it also refers to mankind. 00:15:50.72\00:15:56.43 Exactly. So it's not exclusively Christ, 00:15:56.46\00:15:58.57 although Hebrews uses it in the context of Christ 00:15:58.60\00:16:01.43 who was the Son of Man as our representative. 00:16:01.46\00:16:03.94 So hopefully that provides 00:16:03.97\00:16:06.59 a little clarification on that text. 00:16:06.62\00:16:09.59 And, you know, when we think about the position of Christ, 00:16:09.62\00:16:15.59 you find if you go to Hebrews Chapter 1, 00:16:15.62\00:16:18.35 this outlines it really well here. 00:16:18.38\00:16:20.59 And what I'd like to read in Hebrews Chapter 1, 00:16:20.62\00:16:24.13 is it's showing you clearly-- 00:16:24.16\00:16:28.06 well, let's just go and read it. 00:16:28.09\00:16:29.46 I'm trying not to say it, 00:16:29.49\00:16:31.25 but I'm gonna go ahead and read it 00:16:31.28\00:16:32.65 so that the Bible will be the voice of its own content. 00:16:32.68\00:16:38.08 It says in verse 1, "God, who at various times 00:16:38.11\00:16:40.88 and in different ways spoke in time past 00:16:40.91\00:16:44.51 to the fathers by the prophet, 00:16:44.54\00:16:46.66 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, 00:16:46.69\00:16:50.38 whom He had appointed heir of all things, 00:16:50.41\00:16:52.60 through whom He also made the worlds. 00:16:52.63\00:16:55.47 Who being the brightness of His glory." 00:16:55.50\00:16:57.77 Remember the word glory 00:16:57.80\00:16:59.35 that was talked about here in Hebrews Chapter 2, 00:16:59.38\00:17:04.53 it talks about "You crowned him with glory and honor." 00:17:04.56\00:17:07.44 And verse 1-- verse 3 of Chapter 1. 00:17:07.47\00:17:10.07 "Who being the brightness of His glory, 00:17:10.10\00:17:12.02 and the express image of His person, 00:17:12.05\00:17:14.41 and upholding all things by the word of His power, 00:17:14.44\00:17:17.76 when He had by Himself purged our sins, 00:17:17.79\00:17:21.69 sat down at the right hand of Majesty on high." 00:17:21.72\00:17:25.38 Now this, get this, look at this. 00:17:25.41\00:17:27.57 "Having become so much better than the angels, 00:17:27.60\00:17:31.49 as He by inheritance 00:17:31.52\00:17:33.55 obtained a more excellent name than they." 00:17:33.58\00:17:36.05 So you find here in the condescended sense, 00:17:36.08\00:17:39.76 lower than the angels. 00:17:39.79\00:17:41.53 In the glorified sense, as He conquered sin 00:17:41.56\00:17:44.91 then He has become better than the angels. 00:17:44.94\00:17:47.88 And that's what the term 'ark angel' means, 00:17:47.91\00:17:50.94 higher than the angels. 00:17:50.97\00:17:52.34 So when you see that term in 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4, 00:17:52.37\00:17:55.75 for the ark angel, for the voice of the ark angel, 00:17:55.78\00:17:58.79 the one who is above the ark angel, 00:17:58.82\00:18:00.76 the one who is above the angels. 00:18:00.79\00:18:02.63 And so you see two pictures being presented here, 00:18:02.66\00:18:05.22 Hebrews Chapter 2 in the condescended sense, 00:18:05.25\00:18:07.97 Hebrews Chapter 1 in the exalted sense. 00:18:08.00\00:18:10.65 After He purged our sins, 00:18:10.68\00:18:12.48 He was now exalted to be the commander, 00:18:12.51\00:18:15.27 to be where He was before. 00:18:15.30\00:18:17.03 Because remember this battle that's-- 00:18:17.06\00:18:18.78 that had gone on in heaven 00:18:18.81\00:18:20.39 was between Michael and Satan. 00:18:20.42\00:18:23.38 And who is Michael? 00:18:23.41\00:18:24.78 The one who is above the angels, that is in fact Christ. 00:18:24.81\00:18:28.18 So you clearly see here, but let me continue. 00:18:28.21\00:18:31.62 "For of which angel," verse 5 of Hebrews 1. 00:18:31.65\00:18:34.39 "For of which of the angels did he ever say 'You are my Son, 00:18:34.42\00:18:38.81 today I have begotten you'? 00:18:38.84\00:18:40.43 And again 'I will be to Him a Father 00:18:40.46\00:18:42.91 and He shall be to Me a Son'? 00:18:42.94\00:18:45.66 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, 00:18:45.69\00:18:48.99 He says, 'Let all the angels of God worship Him,' 00:18:49.02\00:18:52.95 and of the angels he says, 'Who makes His angels spirits, 00:18:52.98\00:18:56.48 and His ministers a flame of fire.'" 00:18:56.51\00:19:00.67 Verse 8. 00:19:00.70\00:19:02.08 "But to the Son He says, 00:19:02.11\00:19:03.48 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. 00:19:03.51\00:19:07.31 A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 00:19:07.34\00:19:10.43 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. 00:19:10.46\00:19:13.07 Therefore God, Your God, 00:19:13.10\00:19:14.59 has anointed You with the oil of gladness 00:19:14.62\00:19:16.76 more than Your companions.'" 00:19:16.79\00:19:18.89 And so you look at the position in Hebrews 2, 00:19:18.92\00:19:24.09 condescended to be the set of man. 00:19:24.12\00:19:26.89 But after he conquered sin, 00:19:26.92\00:19:28.60 once again exalted back to be the Son of God, 00:19:28.63\00:19:33.38 the One who is above the angels. 00:19:33.41\00:19:35.45 Never the two were separated, but in two particular functions 00:19:35.48\00:19:40.01 you find the terminologies being applied. 00:19:40.04\00:19:42.05 So that's why Psalms 8 and Hebrews 2 00:19:42.08\00:19:45.40 are not in conflict with each other. 00:19:45.43\00:19:48.15 Very good. Okay. 00:19:48.18\00:19:49.55 Very good. I think that's--I think-- 00:19:49.58\00:19:53.02 Yeah, let's segue into our topic. 00:19:53.05\00:19:54.42 Because we've given more time to our Bible questions 00:19:54.45\00:19:56.28 on a fewer programs or earlier programs. 00:19:56.31\00:19:59.57 Well, we went through our questions pretty fast today. 00:19:59.60\00:20:02.48 Yeah. So thank you for those quick questions. 00:20:02.51\00:20:04.44 And I should say, praise the Lord 00:20:04.47\00:20:06.67 we gave you quicker answers. 00:20:06.70\00:20:08.51 Hopefully we were able to make some sense 00:20:08.54\00:20:10.29 out of what we talked about here today. 00:20:10.32\00:20:12.14 But if you have any Bible comments 00:20:12.17\00:20:13.78 or questions you'd like to send to us, 00:20:13.81\00:20:15.50 send those to housecalls@3abn.org. 00:20:15.53\00:20:19.37 That's housecalls@3abn.org. 00:20:19.40\00:20:23.46 And we thank you so much for all you do, for your prayers 00:20:23.49\00:20:26.53 and your financial support of this network. 00:20:26.56\00:20:30.05 John, we're talking about the church today, 00:20:30.08\00:20:31.61 lay some foundation for us. 00:20:31.64\00:20:33.47 Yeah, it's about time we-- 00:20:33.50\00:20:35.75 I don't think we've ever covered this topic really, 00:20:35.78\00:20:37.71 the church and the Biblical view of the church. 00:20:37.74\00:20:42.28 Today, I think, at times I am convinced as a pastor 00:20:42.31\00:20:47.24 that there is too much emphasis and dependence 00:20:47.27\00:20:51.35 upon the leader of the church. 00:20:51.38\00:20:54.24 I'm talking about church on a local level. Right. 00:20:54.27\00:20:57.59 You know, he is the one that does the preaching 00:20:57.62\00:20:59.27 and he is the one that does the teaching, 00:20:59.30\00:21:00.67 he is the one that does Bible studies, 00:21:00.70\00:21:02.11 he is the one that does this and that. 00:21:02.14\00:21:04.12 And we sit there 00:21:04.15\00:21:05.60 as members of that church, as an audience, 00:21:05.63\00:21:10.53 almost as spectators of what happens. 00:21:10.56\00:21:12.83 And we clap and we rejoice in what we see going on. 00:21:12.86\00:21:16.71 A spectacle. And it's very much like that. 00:21:16.74\00:21:19.92 You know, we always use this analogy and, 00:21:19.95\00:21:22.04 you know, even people have been upset at us for it, 00:21:22.07\00:21:24.50 but you know the sports team, 00:21:24.53\00:21:27.48 you know, we're the spectators in the stands. 00:21:27.51\00:21:29.97 We're not actually getting on the field 00:21:30.00\00:21:32.41 to engage in the game. 00:21:32.44\00:21:33.96 Right. 00:21:33.99\00:21:35.36 But the issue we have to ask or address here is, 00:21:35.39\00:21:38.60 is this the Biblical view? 00:21:38.63\00:21:40.00 Is this what the Bible had in mind? No. 00:21:40.03\00:21:43.20 Is this what Jesus had in mind through His word 00:21:43.23\00:21:46.46 when He gave the charge to the disciples to go out 00:21:46.49\00:21:50.51 and which is where we're gonna start 00:21:50.54\00:21:51.91 with, the Great Commission here in Matthew 28, 00:21:51.94\00:21:53.81 to go out and make disciples of all nations. 00:21:53.84\00:21:57.42 There clearly is this picture of the church 00:21:57.45\00:22:00.74 and the charge given to the apostles 00:22:00.77\00:22:03.12 to grow God's kingdom on earth through His church. 00:22:03.15\00:22:06.63 And that it would--the message would go out to all the world. 00:22:06.66\00:22:10.64 Matthew 24 talks about, 00:22:10.67\00:22:12.92 and this gospel will be preached to all the world 00:22:12.95\00:22:16.76 and then the end would come. 00:22:16.79\00:22:18.16 So there's even purpose wrapped up 00:22:18.19\00:22:19.86 in that prophecy of Matthew 24, 00:22:19.89\00:22:22.14 that the message given to the church 00:22:22.17\00:22:24.18 to take to the world would one day go to the world 00:22:24.21\00:22:26.18 and the world would then end. 00:22:26.21\00:22:28.36 So we're gonna talk about 00:22:28.39\00:22:30.54 some different aspects today about the church. 00:22:30.57\00:22:32.93 And I want to have each one of you 00:22:32.96\00:22:34.59 just kind of consider in your own mind, 00:22:34.62\00:22:36.17 is this the picture of my church that I am in today? 00:22:36.20\00:22:40.83 Is this--are we following the Biblical view, 00:22:40.86\00:22:43.70 perspective of the church 00:22:43.73\00:22:45.68 and what Christ has in mind for His church? 00:22:45.71\00:22:48.27 Okay. So we'll look at several passages 00:22:48.30\00:22:50.90 and we even get back even to the Old Testament 00:22:50.93\00:22:52.79 and see that the church was actually planted way, 00:22:52.82\00:22:54.69 way back when, intended by God Himself and exciting stuff. 00:22:54.72\00:23:00.28 Let's turn to Matthew Chapter 28. 00:23:00.31\00:23:02.06 Okay. Matthew 28, a good place to start. 00:23:02.09\00:23:06.80 Wow. 00:23:06.83\00:23:10.93 All right, verse 18, 00:23:10.96\00:23:13.74 known as the Great Commission. 00:23:13.77\00:23:17.93 It says, "And Jesus came and spoke to them," 00:23:17.96\00:23:20.11 that is the 12 disciples, 00:23:20.14\00:23:22.33 "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 00:23:22.36\00:23:27.71 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, 00:23:27.74\00:23:31.23 baptizing them in the name of the Father 00:23:31.26\00:23:33.61 and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 00:23:33.64\00:23:35.54 teaching them to observe all things 00:23:35.57\00:23:37.60 that I have commanded you, 00:23:37.63\00:23:39.14 and lo, I am with you always, even to," 00:23:39.17\00:23:42.01 How far? The end of the age. 00:23:42.04\00:23:43.82 "The end of the age or the end of the world" 00:23:43.85\00:23:46.24 as some translations say. 00:23:46.27\00:23:47.83 So this commission began with Jesus' 00:23:47.86\00:23:51.23 words to the disciples and continues on how long. 00:23:51.26\00:23:53.91 To the very end. To the very end, which includes today. 00:23:53.94\00:23:58.05 This great commission is as much for us 00:23:58.08\00:24:01.29 as members of the church as it was for the disciples. 00:24:01.32\00:24:05.50 And I want to emphasize that, 00:24:05.53\00:24:06.90 because what you find in this commission 00:24:06.93\00:24:08.61 isn't a call to come, it's a call to go. 00:24:08.64\00:24:13.69 Remember our good friend, Kopanang Giamani. 00:24:13.72\00:24:16.97 Oh, Kopanang Giamani. 00:24:17.00\00:24:20.49 He would stand up there 00:24:20.52\00:24:21.89 as a personal ministry director of our church 00:24:21.92\00:24:23.70 and he would say repeatedly, because I remember distinctly. 00:24:23.73\00:24:27.60 He would say, "Church, 00:24:27.63\00:24:30.84 God said, go. He said, go. 00:24:30.87\00:24:34.80 Where did you go this week?" 00:24:34.83\00:24:38.36 And it was his way of causing people, 00:24:38.39\00:24:41.34 the church members to think in terms of going 00:24:41.37\00:24:44.44 and being the disciples God wants us to be. 00:24:44.47\00:24:46.92 Right. 00:24:46.95\00:24:48.32 And being from that personal ministry's perspective, 00:24:48.35\00:24:50.60 I know what he was trying to accomplish here. 00:24:50.63\00:24:52.08 He was trying to say, 00:24:52.11\00:24:53.48 it's not about just inviting people 00:24:53.51\00:24:54.88 to come and hear a message. 00:24:54.91\00:24:56.63 It's about going and sharing Christ 00:24:56.66\00:24:58.45 with the world through our words, through our deeds, 00:24:58.48\00:25:01.63 through everything we do. 00:25:01.66\00:25:03.62 And this is something to a great degree, 00:25:03.65\00:25:06.19 I think, within the church today 00:25:06.22\00:25:09.31 that we're not seeing as much of as we should. 00:25:09.34\00:25:11.58 We're starting to get to a model of "come and see", 00:25:11.61\00:25:14.18 and I know the words of Christ are-- 00:25:14.21\00:25:18.45 He did make that statement, 00:25:18.48\00:25:19.85 but that wasn't in this context of evangelism. 00:25:19.88\00:25:23.10 It's not about come and see, 00:25:23.13\00:25:24.89 listen to me so I can persuade you of the truth 00:25:24.92\00:25:27.18 and then maybe you'll accept it and follow Christ. 00:25:27.21\00:25:29.04 It's about going and bringing the gospel 00:25:29.07\00:25:32.26 to the people where they are. 00:25:32.29\00:25:33.94 Right. Because there are many today, 00:25:33.97\00:25:35.82 especially within the United States, 00:25:35.85\00:25:37.62 America and other countries, 00:25:37.65\00:25:39.45 I know we're not alone in this. 00:25:39.48\00:25:41.11 The society today does not want to step into a church, 00:25:41.14\00:25:44.30 most of them. 00:25:44.33\00:25:45.83 So the gospel's got to go to them, 00:25:45.86\00:25:47.49 and that's what Jesus was saying when He said, go. 00:25:47.52\00:25:49.75 Wow. 00:25:49.78\00:25:51.15 And so when you look-- when you look at this, 00:25:51.18\00:25:53.47 I think of the commission and He is saying, 00:25:53.50\00:25:56.24 "All authority is-- has been give unto me 00:25:56.27\00:25:59.73 in heaven and in earth." 00:25:59.76\00:26:01.28 One of the things that I like to begin 00:26:01.31\00:26:03.01 by talking about is the church, 00:26:03.04\00:26:05.09 the foundation of the church. 00:26:05.12\00:26:07.08 Now we know the foundation of the church is Christ. 00:26:07.11\00:26:10.46 He is the cornerstone. 00:26:10.49\00:26:12.57 He is the rock upon which the church is built. 00:26:12.60\00:26:15.67 And I want to reiterate that by reading Matthew 16 00:26:15.70\00:26:19.78 because here's a passage that's often times misunderstood 00:26:19.81\00:26:23.42 and I want to put it in the proper context 00:26:23.45\00:26:27.62 in which it is presented. 00:26:27.65\00:26:30.34 All right, Matthew Chapter 16, beginning with verse 17. 00:26:30.37\00:26:37.41 And the Bible says, "Jesus answered and said to him, 00:26:37.44\00:26:42.55 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, 00:26:42.58\00:26:46.30 for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you.'" 00:26:46.33\00:26:49.71 That is when Peter responded, "You are the Son of God. 00:26:49.74\00:26:53.26 You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 00:26:53.29\00:26:57.04 "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, 00:26:57.07\00:26:59.01 but My Father who is in Heaven. 00:26:59.04\00:27:01.39 And I also say to you that you are Peter, 00:27:01.42\00:27:05.16 and on this rock I will build My church, 00:27:05.19\00:27:07.90 and the gates of hell or Hades shall not prevail against it. 00:27:07.93\00:27:11.89 And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven 00:27:11.92\00:27:14.77 and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, 00:27:14.80\00:27:17.48 and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." 00:27:17.51\00:27:22.03 When you look at the context of this text, 00:27:22.06\00:27:25.90 people come away with the idea 00:27:25.93\00:27:27.30 that Christ was building the church on Peter. 00:27:27.33\00:27:31.14 But you find clearly, now we go to 1 Corinthians. 00:27:31.17\00:27:35.86 Let's go there. And I'd like you to read that for me, John. 00:27:35.89\00:27:38.61 I want to look for another text. 00:27:38.64\00:27:40.11 We'll go to 1 Corinthians Chapter 10. 00:27:40.14\00:27:43.82 Here I am now. 1 Corinthians Chapter 10. 00:27:43.85\00:27:48.74 And I'd like you to read verses 1 down to verse 4. 00:27:48.77\00:27:53.89 All right. 00:27:53.92\00:27:55.29 "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware 00:27:55.32\00:27:58.26 that all our fathers were under the cloud, 00:27:58.29\00:28:01.23 all passed through the sea, 00:28:01.26\00:28:03.29 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 00:28:03.32\00:28:07.60 all ate the same spiritual food, 00:28:07.63\00:28:09.79 and all drank the same spiritual drink. 00:28:09.82\00:28:12.23 For they drank of that spiritual Rock 00:28:12.26\00:28:15.17 that followed them, and that Rock was Christ." 00:28:15.20\00:28:18.91 Okay. So the Rock, you're talking-- 00:28:18.94\00:28:20.97 the Rock here and putting the text into context, 00:28:21.00\00:28:26.43 when Jesus made the statement, 00:28:26.46\00:28:27.87 Peter wasn't even yet converted. 00:28:27.90\00:28:32.11 He wasn't even converted yet. 00:28:32.14\00:28:33.59 He had made a declaration even after that statement. 00:28:33.62\00:28:37.80 So the authority that was given 00:28:37.83\00:28:39.85 and this is something that we have to come to grips on. 00:28:39.88\00:28:42.65 The church is built on Christ, 00:28:42.68\00:28:44.42 but the church does have an authority. 00:28:44.45\00:28:46.78 And one of the things that we have to look at today 00:28:46.81\00:28:48.98 and understand the context of the church, 00:28:49.01\00:28:50.86 and I know we're gonna go 00:28:50.89\00:28:52.26 in a little different direction here in just a moment, 00:28:52.29\00:28:53.66 but I want to establish that what we're talking about. 00:28:53.69\00:28:55.59 The reason why the church has the authority to prepare 00:28:55.62\00:28:59.40 its members for the fulfillment of the commission 00:28:59.43\00:29:02.63 is because God gave them that authority, 00:29:02.66\00:29:05.22 but the foundation is Christ. 00:29:05.25\00:29:07.90 1 Corinthians 3:11. 00:29:07.93\00:29:09.84 "For no other foundation can anyone lay 00:29:09.87\00:29:13.09 than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 00:29:13.12\00:29:16.73 1 Corinthians 3:11. 00:29:16.76\00:29:18.72 So when you think about the foundation, 00:29:18.75\00:29:20.58 you could truly sing the song, 00:29:20.61\00:29:22.31 "On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand." 00:29:22.34\00:29:25.41 Now if Peter were the foundation of the church, 00:29:25.44\00:29:28.45 then the church would have passed off the scene 00:29:28.48\00:29:31.19 when Peter died or the foundation 00:29:31.22\00:29:33.53 would've failed when Peter failed, 00:29:33.56\00:29:35.68 but the foundation never failed, 00:29:35.71\00:29:37.22 because no other foundation can be laid 00:29:37.25\00:29:40.08 than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus. 00:29:40.11\00:29:43.39 'Cause I just want to make that very clear, 00:29:43.42\00:29:44.79 'cause a lot of times people say, well--they ask questions. 00:29:44.82\00:29:48.18 And people have asked this to us today, 00:29:48.21\00:29:49.64 because there's a misconception about how our church began. 00:29:49.67\00:29:52.43 Some people say, "Well, 00:29:52.46\00:29:53.83 did Ellen White begin your church?" 00:29:53.86\00:29:55.97 No. We said, "No, our church is built on the Bible. 00:29:56.00\00:29:59.57 Our church is built on Christ. 00:29:59.60\00:30:01.47 He is the Rock of the church." 00:30:01.50\00:30:03.01 And of course you have people say, 00:30:03.04\00:30:04.41 "Well, you know, Martin Luther began this movement 00:30:04.44\00:30:06.71 and this one came out of that person 00:30:06.74\00:30:08.81 and this one came out of that person." 00:30:08.84\00:30:10.79 And we give titles to humans that start movements. 00:30:10.82\00:30:15.30 But in reality, the foundation of the church is Christ. 00:30:15.33\00:30:20.62 No other foundation can anybody lay. 00:30:20.65\00:30:22.84 But now taking it to the next level, 00:30:22.87\00:30:24.24 John, we're gonna talk about 00:30:24.27\00:30:25.64 some of this commission here today, 00:30:25.67\00:30:27.04 because the church is still with individuals 00:30:27.07\00:30:29.40 that to a large degree the church in America, 00:30:29.43\00:30:31.82 in particular, and other parts of the world has become-- 00:30:31.85\00:30:35.66 church going has become a spectator sport rather than-- 00:30:35.69\00:30:41.82 what's another phrase I could use? 00:30:41.85\00:30:43.93 Church members come more to see 00:30:43.96\00:30:46.14 what the pastor's gonna say than come to prepare to go. 00:30:46.17\00:30:51.30 But that's not what the Lord has intended for them to do. 00:30:51.33\00:30:54.53 And I think you had a text 00:30:54.56\00:30:55.93 in Ephesians Chapter 4 that talks about that. 00:30:55.96\00:30:58.35 Yeah, Ephesians Chapter 4, we'll begin with verse 11 here. 00:30:58.38\00:31:02.01 And it really begins to expand 00:31:02.04\00:31:04.19 the role of every member in the church. 00:31:04.22\00:31:06.46 We know--and we're not gonna cover all these, 00:31:06.49\00:31:08.46 but we know that the church 00:31:08.49\00:31:09.86 is made up of Christ as the head 00:31:09.89\00:31:12.30 and then the members as the body. 00:31:12.33\00:31:16.04 You know, some are feet, some are legs, some are hands, 00:31:16.07\00:31:18.38 some are arms, you know, 00:31:18.41\00:31:19.99 all these different things that make up the church 00:31:20.02\00:31:22.65 and we're dependent upon all of them. 00:31:22.68\00:31:24.20 Right. So the question is, does that-- 00:31:24.23\00:31:27.92 is that indicative of a body of believers 00:31:27.95\00:31:30.78 that is a-- that are spectators 00:31:30.81\00:31:32.93 or is that indicative of a body of believers 00:31:32.96\00:31:35.15 that are all active in doing something? 00:31:35.18\00:31:36.92 Okay. And so beginning with verse 11 00:31:36.95\00:31:39.60 in Ephesians Chapter 4 providing this picture of Paul 00:31:39.63\00:31:42.95 gives us of the church. 00:31:42.98\00:31:45.14 It says, "He Himself," that is Jesus, 00:31:45.17\00:31:47.66 "gave some to be apostles, 00:31:47.69\00:31:50.21 some prophets, some evangelists, 00:31:50.24\00:31:53.30 and some pastors and teachers, 00:31:53.33\00:31:55.68 for the equipping of the saints for the work of," 00:31:55.71\00:31:58.89 what's that word? 00:31:58.92\00:32:00.29 "Ministry." "Ministry." Okay. 00:32:00.32\00:32:01.69 Let's stop there for just a second. 00:32:01.72\00:32:03.57 According to what we've just read, who does ministry? 00:32:03.60\00:32:07.97 The members. The members do. 00:32:08.00\00:32:09.83 Right. Absolutely. 00:32:09.86\00:32:12.05 There are leaders of the church 00:32:12.08\00:32:13.75 that God ordains for the purpose 00:32:13.78\00:32:16.28 of edifying that church, 00:32:16.31\00:32:18.02 but their role, which includes 00:32:18.05\00:32:19.73 pastors, are to equip the members for ministry. 00:32:19.76\00:32:23.86 Ministry. 00:32:23.89\00:32:25.26 So in some respects the minister isn't the only ministry. 00:32:25.29\00:32:28.60 They're the one that does ministry. Right. 00:32:28.63\00:32:30.25 Everybody does ministry. 00:32:30.28\00:32:32.45 The pastor is the one that takes 00:32:32.48\00:32:34.12 that leadership role in equipping the members 00:32:34.15\00:32:36.63 for their work, to find their spiritual gift, 00:32:36.66\00:32:40.24 to find some way to engage in service for Christ. 00:32:40.27\00:32:43.88 "And it's all for the edifying of the body of Christ 00:32:43.91\00:32:46.47 till we all come to the unity of the faith 00:32:46.50\00:32:49.46 and of the knowledge of the Son of God 00:32:49.49\00:32:50.88 to a perfect man to the measure 00:32:50.91\00:32:52.82 of the stature of the fullness of Christ." 00:32:52.85\00:32:55.07 That is the rest of verse 13. 00:32:55.10\00:32:58.10 So according to this verse, there's lots of things here, 00:32:58.13\00:33:00.00 but the one thing I wanted to bring up here is that, 00:33:00.03\00:33:03.35 this is the one place, as far as 00:33:03.38\00:33:07.59 the King James Version of the Bible, 00:33:07.62\00:33:09.78 where the word pastor appears. 00:33:09.81\00:33:11.62 Okay. It doesn't appear anywhere else. 00:33:11.65\00:33:14.47 This is the verse for pastors. 00:33:14.50\00:33:17.21 Now the interesting thing what you'll find here is 00:33:17.24\00:33:19.12 if you read this verse carefully, it says, 00:33:19.15\00:33:21.50 some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, 00:33:21.53\00:33:26.13 all with different functions, by the way. 00:33:26.16\00:33:28.15 That's true. And some pastors and teachers. 00:33:28.18\00:33:31.35 Notice, what word occurs before teachers. Pastors. 00:33:31.38\00:33:37.41 There is no word, some, is there? 00:33:37.44\00:33:41.56 Some apostles, some prophets, 00:33:41.59\00:33:44.57 some evangelists, some pastors and teachers. 00:33:44.60\00:33:47.34 Right. 00:33:47.37\00:33:48.74 Teachers is not an afterthought here 00:33:48.77\00:33:50.14 and it's not a separate category either. 00:33:50.17\00:33:51.58 If you read this Greek, 00:33:51.61\00:33:52.98 you'll find that most theologians agree, 00:33:53.01\00:33:56.19 the reading is some pastors as teachers. 00:33:56.22\00:33:59.76 Okay. 00:33:59.79\00:34:01.18 The pastors are for teaching, 00:34:01.21\00:34:04.86 for equipping, for training, 00:34:04.89\00:34:07.52 for helping the saints find their ministry. 00:34:07.55\00:34:11.55 And it's beautiful in that, 00:34:11.58\00:34:12.95 because we shouldn't be looking at the pastor 00:34:12.98\00:34:14.96 to do all these different things. 00:34:14.99\00:34:17.06 His role is primarily to help me find out 00:34:17.09\00:34:19.97 what I can do for Jesus 00:34:20.00\00:34:22.35 within the context of the church 00:34:22.38\00:34:23.95 and within the context of my personal ministry, 00:34:23.98\00:34:26.59 individual ministry with those around me in my community. 00:34:26.62\00:34:30.81 And that's why in context 00:34:30.84\00:34:32.74 with that I'd like to go to Romans Chapter 12. 00:34:32.77\00:34:35.64 We often read Romans 12:1-2. 00:34:35.67\00:34:38.52 When the Lord talked about reasonable service 00:34:38.55\00:34:40.36 presenting your body as a living sacrifice-- 00:34:40.39\00:34:42.30 And we're gonna end up coming back to this one, too. 00:34:42.33\00:34:43.79 Well, let's go and get there and we'll-- 00:34:43.82\00:34:45.53 Okay. We'll read here, but-- 00:34:45.56\00:34:46.93 All right, all right. Go for it. 00:34:46.96\00:34:48.82 I want to go to verse 4, 00:34:48.85\00:34:50.36 because many people have read verse 1 and 2. Oh, yes. 00:34:50.39\00:34:53.80 It says, "For as we have many members in one body, 00:34:53.83\00:35:00.19 but all the members do not have the same function." 00:35:00.22\00:35:03.73 All right. 00:35:03.76\00:35:05.13 "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, 00:35:05.16\00:35:09.22 and individually members of one another." 00:35:09.25\00:35:12.50 Notice, we're one body in Christ. 00:35:12.53\00:35:14.18 Once again emphasizing that Christ is the head. 00:35:14.21\00:35:16.38 Yeah. He didn't make Peter the head. 00:35:16.41\00:35:19.48 And I say that in the context of this major focus right now 00:35:19.51\00:35:22.91 of the shifting of Popes around the world. 00:35:22.94\00:35:25.36 People are so, who's gonna be the-- who's gonna be-- 00:35:25.39\00:35:27.65 you know, as long as Christ is there, 00:35:27.68\00:35:29.20 that's all it really matters. 00:35:29.23\00:35:30.86 Their earthly power is not the focus, 00:35:30.89\00:35:32.98 it is the heavenly power that is the focus. 00:35:33.01\00:35:35.56 In verse 6, "Having then gifts differing 00:35:35.59\00:35:40.26 according to the grace that is given to us, 00:35:40.29\00:35:43.58 let us use them." 00:35:43.61\00:35:45.70 And now notice, "If prophecy, 00:35:45.73\00:35:47.72 let us prophesy in proportion to our faith or ministry, 00:35:47.75\00:35:52.84 let us use it in our ministering. 00:35:52.87\00:35:55.61 He who teaches, in teaching, 00:35:55.64\00:35:57.89 he who exhorts, in exhortation, 00:35:57.92\00:36:00.31 he who gives, with liberality." 00:36:00.34\00:36:03.32 It's amazing how they use giving as a ministry, 00:36:03.35\00:36:06.05 because there are some people that are great givers. 00:36:06.08\00:36:08.16 "God loves a cheerful giver," the Bible says. 00:36:08.19\00:36:11.22 "He who gives, with liberality, he who leads, with diligence, 00:36:11.25\00:36:14.83 he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness. 00:36:14.86\00:36:19.24 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil, 00:36:19.27\00:36:22.42 cling to what is good." 00:36:22.45\00:36:23.82 And these are all the parameters of the church. 00:36:23.85\00:36:26.18 "Be kindly affectionate one to another with brotherly love, 00:36:26.21\00:36:30.15 and honor giving preference to one another. 00:36:30.18\00:36:32.98 Not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, 00:36:33.01\00:36:36.16 serving the Lord, rejoicing in hope, 00:36:36.19\00:36:39.15 patient in tribulation, 00:36:39.18\00:36:40.60 continuing steadfast in prayer, 00:36:40.63\00:36:43.54 distributing to the needs of the saints, 00:36:43.57\00:36:45.77 given to hospitality. 00:36:45.80\00:36:48.57 Bless those who persecute you, 00:36:48.60\00:36:50.71 and bless and do not curse. 00:36:50.74\00:36:54.04 Rejoice with those who rejoice, 00:36:54.07\00:36:55.83 and weep with those who weep. 00:36:55.86\00:36:57.70 Be of the same mind toward one another. 00:36:57.73\00:37:00.36 Do not set your mind on high things, 00:37:00.39\00:37:04.54 but associate with the humble. 00:37:04.57\00:37:06.77 Do not be wise in your own opinion. 00:37:06.80\00:37:09.06 Repay no one evil for evil. 00:37:09.09\00:37:11.54 Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 00:37:11.57\00:37:15.34 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, 00:37:15.37\00:37:18.39 live peaceably with all men." 00:37:18.42\00:37:21.24 And finally it winds up. 00:37:21.27\00:37:23.40 "Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, 00:37:23.43\00:37:25.11 but rather give place to wrath. 00:37:25.14\00:37:27.94 For it is written, 'Vengeance is Mine, 00:37:27.97\00:37:29.69 I will repay,' says the Lord." 00:37:29.72\00:37:31.23 And so it goes on and we know the one-- 00:37:31.26\00:37:33.48 It's a beautiful model of the Christian, isn't it? 00:37:33.51\00:37:36.31 You know, if you look at the church and say, 00:37:36.34\00:37:37.71 "Okay, here's the kind of church 00:37:37.74\00:37:39.11 we're gonna have," boom, 00:37:39.14\00:37:40.51 you outlined it with all this capacity. 00:37:40.54\00:37:41.91 This is what we want to have 00:37:41.94\00:37:43.31 as far as our fellowship is concerned. 00:37:43.34\00:37:44.85 We don't want person. We don't want-- 00:37:44.88\00:37:46.81 we need to have-- this is what we need to do. 00:37:46.84\00:37:48.83 This is how you need to do it. 00:37:48.86\00:37:50.23 It's a wonderful specific model. That's right. 00:37:50.26\00:37:52.83 So you say, "Well, what do you believe?" 00:37:52.86\00:37:54.23 Well, here's our beliefs. 00:37:54.26\00:37:55.63 But how does your church function? 00:37:55.66\00:37:57.29 Romans 12, this is what we want 00:37:57.32\00:37:59.52 as far as our model is concerned. 00:37:59.55\00:38:01.15 And it clearly is the use of gifts, 00:38:01.18\00:38:03.21 spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit. 00:38:03.24\00:38:05.64 I had a gentleman come up to me one time 00:38:05.67\00:38:07.54 from my congregation and he said to me. 00:38:07.57\00:38:11.15 "Pastor, I'm a little confused about 00:38:11.18\00:38:12.96 what you're talking about 00:38:12.99\00:38:14.36 and little uncomfortable with what you're saying here, 00:38:14.39\00:38:15.79 because my witness at work with people around me, 00:38:15.82\00:38:19.92 my family, my friends is who Christ-- 00:38:19.95\00:38:23.78 how Christ has changed me, who He has made me. 00:38:23.81\00:38:26.79 And so I'm loving, I'm more kind, 00:38:26.82\00:38:29.43 I'm more happy, I'm joyful, 00:38:29.46\00:38:31.83 I'm just a different person and they can see that." 00:38:31.86\00:38:35.40 And I said, "Praise the Lord." 00:38:35.43\00:38:37.23 I said, "We all should be Christians 00:38:37.26\00:38:38.89 of that kind of character to be Christlike." 00:38:38.92\00:38:42.42 But what he was not-- what he was saying was that 00:38:42.45\00:38:46.90 I don't have to preach. 00:38:46.93\00:38:49.49 I don't have to necessarily get out there 00:38:49.52\00:38:51.06 and say something about Christ. 00:38:51.09\00:38:52.67 My witness is who I am. 00:38:52.70\00:38:55.47 And I beg to differ on this point with him, 00:38:55.50\00:38:58.49 because Jesus when He left this world 00:38:58.52\00:39:03.01 He promised to give the Holy Spirit 00:39:03.04\00:39:04.51 to the church, which He did. 00:39:04.54\00:39:06.26 The Holy Spirit brings two things 00:39:06.29\00:39:08.22 to us as church members. 00:39:08.25\00:39:10.65 He gives us fruit, love, joy, peace, patience, 00:39:10.68\00:39:14.30 goodness, kindness, meekness, 00:39:14.33\00:39:16.47 temperance, which is self-control. 00:39:16.50\00:39:19.61 So all those things He gave to us as church members. 00:39:19.64\00:39:24.11 What is the purpose of that fruit? 00:39:24.14\00:39:26.86 To change us from within. Right. 00:39:26.89\00:39:29.60 To make us Christlike. 00:39:29.63\00:39:31.98 But He didn't stop with fruit. Right. 00:39:32.01\00:39:34.06 He gave gifts. That's true. 00:39:34.09\00:39:35.91 And the gifts aren't for the edifying of the body, 00:39:35.94\00:39:39.42 the changing of the character, gifts are for ministry, 00:39:39.45\00:39:43.26 for the edifying of the church body 00:39:43.29\00:39:45.85 and expanding of the church and the delivering 00:39:45.88\00:39:48.91 of the everlasting gospel to the world. 00:39:48.94\00:39:51.09 You will not find the gospel being delivered through fruit. 00:39:51.12\00:39:57.01 No. The New Testament, it is not there. 00:39:57.04\00:40:00.11 The gospel comes through the use of gifts 00:40:00.14\00:40:02.29 imparted to believers. 00:40:02.32\00:40:03.84 The proclaimed gospel comes through the gifts. 00:40:03.87\00:40:06.33 Always. The, the-- 00:40:06.36\00:40:08.34 The living. The living gospel comes 00:40:08.37\00:40:10.40 through the fruits. 00:40:10.43\00:40:11.96 And so it's wonderful 00:40:11.99\00:40:13.70 how the Lord gives the fruits first. 00:40:13.73\00:40:16.31 And this is really important. 00:40:16.34\00:40:17.71 A very good point you brought up, 00:40:17.74\00:40:19.11 because a lot of times people are saying, 00:40:19.14\00:40:20.72 "By their gifts you will know them." 00:40:20.75\00:40:22.30 Well, the Bible says, 00:40:22.33\00:40:23.70 "By their fruits you will know them." 00:40:23.73\00:40:25.43 See, the fruits come first. 00:40:25.46\00:40:27.54 The fruits are evidence 00:40:27.57\00:40:28.94 that we are connected to the vine, you know. 00:40:28.97\00:40:30.34 They have to come first. 00:40:30.37\00:40:31.74 Imagine, if the gifts came first. 00:40:31.77\00:40:33.14 Oh. Chaos. 00:40:33.17\00:40:34.54 Somebody says, "I want to preach. 00:40:35.44\00:40:36.87 I'm a very angry person. I don't want to preach." 00:40:36.90\00:40:39.15 You're not loving, you're not kind, 00:40:39.18\00:40:41.20 you're not patient. 00:40:41.23\00:40:42.64 Well, get me up there. Exactly, well, get me-- 00:40:42.67\00:40:44.79 So the whole key is the fruit is evident that--evidence 00:40:44.82\00:40:48.33 that you're connected to the living vine. 00:40:48.36\00:40:49.98 That's right. It produces that. 00:40:50.01\00:40:51.85 And by the way, I want to just make this clear. 00:40:51.88\00:40:54.04 The fruit of the Spirit 00:40:54.07\00:40:57.88 is one fruit-- That was smorgasbord. Right. 00:40:57.91\00:41:00.92 And so probably you'd say, what fruit do you have? 00:41:00.95\00:41:03.23 I only have one fruit. 00:41:03.26\00:41:04.64 So when you think about it in that context, 00:41:04.67\00:41:06.94 which is the way the Bible says it, 00:41:06.97\00:41:09.24 the fruit of the Spirit. 00:41:09.27\00:41:11.78 But when it talks about the fleshy-- 00:41:11.81\00:41:14.29 the carnal world, it says 00:41:14.32\00:41:15.69 the works of the flesh are these, but the fruit. 00:41:15.72\00:41:19.30 So if somebody can say, 00:41:19.33\00:41:20.70 "Well, the fruit that I have is love, 00:41:20.73\00:41:22.97 but I don't have joy and peace." 00:41:23.00\00:41:25.13 You know, in that one fruit all of these ingredient-- 00:41:25.16\00:41:27.33 all the ingredients-- 00:41:27.36\00:41:28.73 You can't select which ones you have. 00:41:28.76\00:41:30.13 You can say, "Well, I'm working on patience, 00:41:31.03\00:41:33.23 but I have a lot of joy. 00:41:33.26\00:41:34.63 I'm looking at love, 00:41:34.66\00:41:36.26 but I don't have that other one yet." 00:41:36.29\00:41:38.10 It's a fruit, a single fruit. 00:41:38.13\00:41:39.50 It's nourished with all those capacities. 00:41:39.53\00:41:42.05 And so going now to 1 Corinthians Chapter 12, 00:41:42.08\00:41:44.61 this is beautiful, John, 00:41:44.64\00:41:46.01 because what we're talking about right now 00:41:46.04\00:41:47.41 is how God has equipped the church. 00:41:47.44\00:41:49.54 And why would He give us all these equipments 00:41:49.57\00:41:51.23 if He intends for us to do nothing with it. 00:41:51.26\00:41:53.84 He really wouldn't. 00:41:53.87\00:41:55.24 He wouldn't give us all these things 00:41:55.27\00:41:57.06 and say, "Well, now that you have all these equipment, 00:41:57.09\00:42:00.37 you got lawnmowers, you got tree cutters, 00:42:00.40\00:42:02.10 you have pruners, you have shovels, 00:42:02.13\00:42:03.86 you have rakes, you have bags of seed. Sit down." 00:42:03.89\00:42:08.97 No, absolutely not. Here's what He says here. 00:42:09.00\00:42:12.09 Romans Chapter 12-- I'm sorry, 1 Corinthians Chapter 12. 00:42:12.12\00:42:14.70 Isn't it funny, 00:42:14.73\00:42:16.10 Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12? 00:42:16.13\00:42:18.06 It's really the way that it's sectioned out. 00:42:18.09\00:42:21.16 Verse 1, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, 00:42:21.19\00:42:24.24 I do not want you to be ignorant. 00:42:24.27\00:42:26.19 You know that you were Gentiles, 00:42:26.22\00:42:28.60 carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 00:42:28.63\00:42:33.55 Therefore I make known to you that 00:42:33.58\00:42:35.68 no one speaking by the Spirit of God 00:42:35.71\00:42:37.63 calls Jesus accursed." 00:42:37.66\00:42:39.45 That's anathema. 00:42:39.48\00:42:40.88 "And no one can say that Jesus is Lord 00:42:40.91\00:42:43.17 except by the Holy Spirit." 00:42:43.20\00:42:46.10 So we know the Spirit of God is leading you, 00:42:46.13\00:42:48.35 because you say that Jesus is Lord. That's wonderful. 00:42:48.38\00:42:51.49 But what about what God has called you to do. 00:42:51.52\00:42:53.54 You want to start with verse 4, John? 00:42:53.57\00:42:55.87 "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 00:42:55.90\00:43:00.20 There are diversities of ministries, 00:43:00.23\00:43:01.79 but the same Lord. 00:43:01.82\00:43:03.19 And there are diversities of activities, 00:43:03.22\00:43:04.84 but it is the same God who works all in all. 00:43:04.87\00:43:08.84 But the manifestation of the Spirit 00:43:08.87\00:43:10.43 is given to each one for the profit of all. 00:43:10.46\00:43:13.33 For to one"-- 00:43:13.36\00:43:14.73 Yeah, anyway he goes on 00:43:14.76\00:43:16.13 and talks about the different gifts. 00:43:16.16\00:43:17.53 Well, no, no. I want you to stop on verse 7 real quickly. 00:43:17.56\00:43:19.20 "But the manifestation of the Spirit 00:43:19.23\00:43:21.04 is given to each one for the profit of all." 00:43:21.07\00:43:24.45 That's what you were talking about a moment ago. 00:43:24.48\00:43:26.20 So when he said the body, 00:43:26.23\00:43:27.66 these gifts are not given for this body, 00:43:27.69\00:43:30.34 the gifts are given for the church body, 00:43:30.37\00:43:33.10 so everybody could profit from it. 00:43:33.13\00:43:34.97 So let's gives some examples 00:43:35.00\00:43:36.37 before we read the list here, verse 8-10. 00:43:36.40\00:43:39.51 What are some of the-- what are some of the examples 00:43:39.54\00:43:41.52 of a gift that profits everyone? 00:43:41.55\00:43:44.73 The gift of encouragement. Okay. 00:43:44.76\00:43:48.30 Why is that a profit to everyone else in the church? 00:43:48.33\00:43:51.37 Well, we've already-- we've always been around those 00:43:51.40\00:43:53.42 who have the gift of criticism, 00:43:53.45\00:43:56.26 not given by the Spirit by any means, 00:43:56.29\00:43:59.05 and how much that destroys and tears down the church. 00:43:59.08\00:44:01.46 But the gift of encouragement-- 00:44:01.49\00:44:03.05 I tell you there's nothing like walking into a church 00:44:03.08\00:44:05.39 that is full of hope and encouragement 00:44:05.42\00:44:07.01 and joy and just things that help to lift it up 00:44:07.04\00:44:10.56 and edify it and to grow it, 00:44:10.59\00:44:13.01 but that's just one and there's several others. 00:44:13.04\00:44:14.82 And as we look at the list here in verse 8, 00:44:14.85\00:44:16.82 starting with verse 8. 00:44:16.85\00:44:18.22 "For to one is given the word of wisdom 00:44:18.25\00:44:20.54 through the Spirit." 00:44:20.57\00:44:21.94 I want to emphasize that. 00:44:21.97\00:44:23.34 "Through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge 00:44:23.37\00:44:25.84 through the same Spirit, 00:44:25.87\00:44:28.05 to another faith by the same Spirit, 00:44:28.08\00:44:30.97 to another gifts of healing by the same Spirit, 00:44:31.00\00:44:34.99 another the working of miracles, to another prophesy, 00:44:35.02\00:44:39.56 to another discerning of spirits, 00:44:39.59\00:44:41.96 to another different kinds of tongues, 00:44:41.99\00:44:44.51 to another the interpretation of tongues. 00:44:44.54\00:44:47.69 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, 00:44:47.72\00:44:51.62 distributing to each one individually as He wills." 00:44:51.65\00:44:57.08 And then verse 12 says, 00:44:57.11\00:44:58.48 "For as the body is one and has many members, 00:44:58.51\00:45:02.30 but all members of that one body being many, 00:45:02.33\00:45:05.01 are one body, so also is Christ." 00:45:05.04\00:45:08.96 So who is the head? Christ. 00:45:08.99\00:45:11.77 So we have the arms of the church. 00:45:11.80\00:45:13.53 And when you go down, 00:45:13.56\00:45:15.54 there's the another passage I'll share in just a moment. 00:45:15.57\00:45:17.39 The eye, a lot of people say, 00:45:17.42\00:45:19.75 "Well, how significant are the parts of the church?" 00:45:19.78\00:45:22.94 Well, the other question will be, 00:45:22.97\00:45:24.42 how significant are the parts of the body? 00:45:24.45\00:45:26.63 The eye and a hand. 00:45:26.66\00:45:28.03 Say the eye and a hand have a-- say the eye have a-- 00:45:28.06\00:45:30.94 has an argument with the feet. 00:45:30.97\00:45:34.44 And the eye said, "I'm tired. 00:45:34.47\00:45:37.06 I'm gonna just stay closed." Will the feet know where to go? 00:45:37.09\00:45:40.70 Absolutely not. 00:45:40.73\00:45:42.10 And you'll have this discombobulated body. 00:45:42.13\00:45:45.12 You'll have a body that is in conflict with itself. 00:45:45.15\00:45:48.06 So when the functions that God has outlined 00:45:48.09\00:45:50.24 doesn't operate in the church 00:45:50.27\00:45:51.64 the way He intended for it to operate, 00:45:51.67\00:45:53.83 then the church is discombobulated. 00:45:53.86\00:45:55.54 It's like a body that's atrophy. 00:45:55.57\00:45:57.55 It's a dysfunctional body. 00:45:57.58\00:45:58.95 It can't complete the mission that God has given it. 00:45:58.98\00:46:00.87 Can't complete the mission. Yeah. 00:46:00.90\00:46:03.70 So as far as the picture that we're seeing of the church, 00:46:03.73\00:46:08.03 this isn't a study of spiritual gifts, 00:46:08.06\00:46:09.87 but we know that each member has a ministry 00:46:09.90\00:46:13.87 that he or even she can bring 00:46:13.90\00:46:16.43 to the edification of the church, 00:46:16.46\00:46:18.29 for the growing of the church for-- 00:46:18.32\00:46:20.27 for not only spiritual growth, 00:46:20.30\00:46:22.19 but numerical growth of the church on earth. 00:46:22.22\00:46:25.72 But as we make that statement, 00:46:25.75\00:46:29.15 people would say, "Well, I agree with that." 00:46:29.18\00:46:32.13 But we need to put a little more meat on this, 00:46:32.16\00:46:34.10 because this is the plan that God had from the very beginning 00:46:34.13\00:46:38.37 for His people on this earth. 00:46:38.40\00:46:40.89 And we're gonna go back now to Exodus Chapter 19. 00:46:40.92\00:46:44.62 Okay. 00:46:44.65\00:46:46.02 And start laying the foundation 00:46:46.05\00:46:47.42 for the model that God has for His body, 00:46:47.45\00:46:53.17 His people here on this earth. 00:46:53.20\00:46:55.57 Exodus 19, it's situated right before 00:46:55.60\00:46:59.38 God speaks the Ten Commandments 00:46:59.41\00:47:01.68 from the top of Mount Sinai on-- 00:47:01.71\00:47:04.95 on Mount Sinai in Chapter 20. All right. 00:47:04.98\00:47:07.58 So here Moses is talking with the Lord 00:47:07.61\00:47:11.15 and we find in verse 5 and 6, these words, 00:47:11.18\00:47:15.82 "Now therefore, if you will indeed 00:47:15.85\00:47:17.50 obey My voice and keep My covenant, 00:47:17.53\00:47:20.45 then you shall be a special treasure to Me 00:47:20.48\00:47:23.39 above all people, for all the earth is Mine. 00:47:23.42\00:47:26.72 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of," 00:47:26.75\00:47:29.45 what's the word there? Priests. 00:47:29.48\00:47:31.09 "Priests and a holy nation. 00:47:31.12\00:47:34.22 These are the words 00:47:34.25\00:47:35.97 which you shall speak to the children of Israel." 00:47:36.00\00:47:37.86 Which is what He told Moses 00:47:37.89\00:47:39.40 who then brought it to the children of Israel. 00:47:39.43\00:47:42.10 "You shall be a kingdom of priest and a holy nation." 00:47:42.13\00:47:46.32 Now notice this, John, as we unpack this, 00:47:46.35\00:47:48.93 lights are gonna start going on, 00:47:48.96\00:47:50.33 'cause they certainly do with me 00:47:50.36\00:47:52.43 as I delve into this very, very important topic. 00:47:52.46\00:47:56.57 God's original design. And this is Christ, 00:47:56.60\00:48:00.19 the I Am speaking with Moses. 00:48:00.22\00:48:03.06 Only is not Christ revealed 00:48:03.09\00:48:05.19 that we see on earth from the New Testament. 00:48:05.22\00:48:07.46 He's still Christ, the I Am. All right. 00:48:07.49\00:48:09.60 He's talking to Moses and He says, 00:48:09.63\00:48:11.00 "You'll be a kingdom of priests." 00:48:11.03\00:48:13.19 Is there an exclusion there of anyone? 00:48:13.22\00:48:16.85 No. None. 00:48:16.88\00:48:18.79 The whole kingdom are to engage in the priesthood 00:48:18.82\00:48:23.80 as a holy nation. 00:48:23.83\00:48:26.03 This was God's original design. Right. 00:48:26.06\00:48:29.65 Now the interesting thing is, 00:48:29.68\00:48:32.33 that as the people heard Moses, these words from God, 00:48:32.36\00:48:35.00 especially after Mount Sinai experience with God thundering-- 00:48:35.03\00:48:39.42 can you imagine just 00:48:39.45\00:48:40.82 the thundering voice from Mount Sinai 00:48:40.85\00:48:42.50 and delivering the Ten Commandments-- 00:48:42.53\00:48:43.92 the response of the people, 00:48:43.95\00:48:45.32 if you read this, I wish we had time 00:48:45.35\00:48:46.72 to get to the details here, but if you read all of this, 00:48:46.75\00:48:50.00 the response of the people to God was, 00:48:50.03\00:48:51.95 "Moses, you go talk to God. We're gonna stay back here. 00:48:51.98\00:48:55.21 Hey, everything He said, we'll do it, 00:48:55.24\00:48:57.04 but you go talk with God." 00:48:57.07\00:48:58.91 They were sending a message back to God 00:48:58.94\00:49:00.72 that they did not want to be the kingdom of priests. 00:49:00.75\00:49:04.43 But they wanted someone else to intercede for them. 00:49:04.46\00:49:07.74 Who did they send? Moses. 00:49:07.77\00:49:10.05 "Moses, you go talk to God, 00:49:10.08\00:49:11.72 because we're gonna die if we get anywhere close." 00:49:11.75\00:49:14.23 And as you go on through this story, 00:49:14.26\00:49:16.18 you'll find a continual rejection of God's call 00:49:16.21\00:49:19.13 to have all of them become a kingdom of priests 00:49:19.16\00:49:21.83 and a holy nation to Him. True. 00:49:21.86\00:49:24.17 Then Moses comes down after a few chapters later, 00:49:24.20\00:49:27.31 his experience on the mountain, 00:49:27.34\00:49:28.71 receiving the tables of stone, 00:49:28.74\00:49:30.45 and what does he find the Israelites doing? 00:49:30.48\00:49:33.25 Worshiping a golden calf. 00:49:33.28\00:49:35.92 And so he says, "Okay." Lord goes, "Okay, plan B." 00:49:35.95\00:49:41.38 All of you have rejected this kingdom of priest notion. 00:49:41.41\00:49:44.51 I am going to select the ones that didn't rebel. 00:49:44.54\00:49:46.96 I'm selecting who? 00:49:46.99\00:49:48.39 The Levitical priesthood. Right. 00:49:48.42\00:49:50.74 He chose the tribe of Levi. 00:49:50.77\00:49:52.82 And that tribe then became the kingdom of priests 00:49:52.85\00:49:55.51 and then Aaron and his descendants 00:49:55.54\00:49:57.20 were selected for the role of high priest, 00:49:57.23\00:50:00.11 overseeing the priesthood that was of all the Levites there 00:50:00.14\00:50:04.68 or the family of Aaron. 00:50:04.71\00:50:08.09 So only one acting high priest at a time, 00:50:08.12\00:50:10.98 but the priesthood and those assisting the priesthood 00:50:11.01\00:50:13.07 were often the Levites. Right. 00:50:13.10\00:50:15.05 And I'm glad you mentioned that 00:50:15.08\00:50:16.45 because when you read the statement in 1 Peter 2:9, 00:50:16.48\00:50:19.13 "But you are a holy generation, a royal priesthood-- 00:50:19.16\00:50:22.76 But you are a chosen generation, 00:50:22.79\00:50:24.40 a royal priesthood, a holy nation. 00:50:24.43\00:50:26.75 His own special people, that you may proclaim 00:50:26.78\00:50:28.81 the praises of Him who called you out of darkness 00:50:28.84\00:50:30.71 into this marvelous light or into His marvelous light," 00:50:30.74\00:50:33.59 when you read that, the Lord is saying okay, 00:50:33.62\00:50:35.98 what I intended from the very beginning is 00:50:36.01\00:50:37.55 what I want my church to be." 00:50:37.58\00:50:40.05 And so when you read this passage here, 00:50:40.08\00:50:43.00 God intended for all of the people 00:50:43.03\00:50:45.50 to be involved in proclaiming the message. 00:50:45.53\00:50:48.79 So how fast would the message have gone-- 00:50:48.82\00:50:52.20 If all of them accepted that role. 00:50:52.23\00:50:54.68 But they rejected that role. They really did. 00:50:54.71\00:50:56.86 And then it narrowed down to a select group. 00:50:56.89\00:51:00.70 Now here's the exciting thing about it. 00:51:00.73\00:51:03.87 Revelation 1:5-6 00:51:03.90\00:51:06.30 is using the very language from Exodus Chapter 19. 00:51:06.33\00:51:12.22 And Revelation 1:5-6 says, "To Him," that is Jesus, 00:51:12.25\00:51:15.13 "who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 00:51:15.16\00:51:18.21 and has made us." 00:51:18.24\00:51:19.61 Who is He speaking about? 00:51:19.64\00:51:21.01 The church. The church. 00:51:21.04\00:51:22.41 "Made us kings and priests to His God and Father, 00:51:22.44\00:51:26.14 to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever." 00:51:26.17\00:51:28.83 In the church, God has come back to His original plan, 00:51:28.86\00:51:33.21 which was there will be a nation, 00:51:33.24\00:51:35.36 a people of kings and priests to me. 00:51:35.39\00:51:39.54 And so this is why Peter uses that language 00:51:39.57\00:51:42.68 that you just spoke of here. 00:51:42.71\00:51:44.08 Right, holy nation. 00:51:44.11\00:51:45.48 Read that verse again, 1 Peter 2:9. 00:51:45.51\00:51:47.07 "But you are a chosen generation, 00:51:47.10\00:51:49.30 a royal priesthood, a holy nation 00:51:49.33\00:51:53.73 His own special people 00:51:53.76\00:51:56.52 that you may proclaim the praises of Him 00:51:56.55\00:51:58.61 who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." 00:51:58.64\00:52:03.40 So when Jesus established His church, 00:52:03.43\00:52:06.30 He was accomplishing what He wanted 00:52:06.33\00:52:09.14 to accomplish back with the Israelites. 00:52:09.17\00:52:12.53 And I said this statement several times before 00:52:12.56\00:52:14.29 and I know that some have 00:52:14.32\00:52:16.24 maybe even been a little uncomfortable with it, 00:52:16.27\00:52:17.92 but it is absolutely true. 00:52:17.95\00:52:20.10 Had the nation of Israel fulfilled their role 00:52:20.13\00:52:22.79 that God had given them from the beginning 00:52:22.82\00:52:24.47 and had they accepted Christ as their Messiah, 00:52:24.50\00:52:27.68 there would have been no church as we know it today. 00:52:27.71\00:52:31.78 The Gentiles would have received the message 00:52:31.81\00:52:34.26 through Israel, the nation 00:52:34.29\00:52:36.93 and it would have been a combined ushering forward 00:52:36.96\00:52:40.39 of God's truth through a greater number of people, 00:52:40.42\00:52:43.32 now with the Gentiles included, 00:52:43.35\00:52:44.96 to finish and proclaim the everlasting gospel. 00:52:44.99\00:52:46.88 Wow. 00:52:46.91\00:52:48.28 But instead, Paul, as he says in the Book of Acts, 00:52:48.31\00:52:50.78 because you rejected this, thus we turned to the Gentiles. 00:52:50.81\00:52:55.81 And the church was established 00:52:55.84\00:52:57.83 based on this foundation of Christ as the living stone 00:52:57.86\00:53:00.96 and it was established as a kingdom of priests, 00:53:00.99\00:53:04.40 a royal priesthood, Peter says, 00:53:04.43\00:53:07.42 then to give sacrifices back to God. 00:53:07.45\00:53:10.23 And in fact, if you back up a little bit 00:53:10.26\00:53:12.21 in 1 Peter 2:4-5, it says, 00:53:12.24\00:53:14.98 "Coming to Him as to a living stone, 00:53:15.01\00:53:18.26 rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 00:53:18.29\00:53:22.03 you also," speaking to the church, "as living stones, 00:53:22.06\00:53:26.00 are being built up a spiritual house, 00:53:26.03\00:53:28.72 a holy priesthood, to offer up," what? 00:53:28.75\00:53:31.16 Spiritual sacrifices. 00:53:31.19\00:53:32.70 "Spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God 00:53:32.73\00:53:35.83 through Jesus Christ." 00:53:35.86\00:53:37.23 The question is, 00:53:37.26\00:53:38.63 do we as a church, as members of the priesthood, 00:53:38.66\00:53:40.58 do we have sacrifices to offer still? 00:53:40.61\00:53:43.01 Our lives are living sacrifice. 00:53:43.04\00:53:46.06 A living sacrifice, absolutely. 00:53:46.09\00:53:48.33 There are spiritual sacrifices, 00:53:48.36\00:53:49.81 there aren't the blood of bulls and goats again, 00:53:49.84\00:53:51.75 but that doesn't mean we have sacrifices that we can offer. 00:53:51.78\00:53:55.13 That's right. Present your body as a living sacrifice. 00:53:55.16\00:53:57.89 And there is where we get back to Romans Chapter 12. 00:53:57.92\00:54:00.91 That's why you were saying 00:54:00.94\00:54:02.31 you want to go back to Romans Chapter 12. 00:54:02.34\00:54:03.89 Yeah. Now we're not gonna get done with this, 00:54:03.92\00:54:06.58 I think in one program. Okay. 00:54:06.61\00:54:08.27 But let's transition this to then Romans 12:1, 00:54:08.30\00:54:11.16 let's go ahead and end with Romans 12:1 here. 00:54:11.19\00:54:15.67 Taking this idea of spiritual sacrifices 00:54:15.70\00:54:18.30 offered by the priesthood, the church today, 00:54:18.33\00:54:21.41 Paul says these words, 00:54:21.44\00:54:22.81 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, 00:54:22.84\00:54:24.21 by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies 00:54:24.24\00:54:27.77 a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, 00:54:27.80\00:54:32.16 which is your reasonable service." 00:54:32.19\00:54:35.30 NIV says, "your spiritual act of"-- 00:54:35.33\00:54:38.05 Worship. "Worship." 00:54:38.08\00:54:39.45 That's right. 00:54:39.48\00:54:40.85 So to say as a church member in the pews 00:54:40.88\00:54:43.75 I don't have something to offer to God, is simply not biblical. 00:54:43.78\00:54:47.77 Right, because you have to. 00:54:47.80\00:54:49.73 You've been given a gift and we return that gift. 00:54:49.76\00:54:52.35 In fact it even brings more light 00:54:52.38\00:54:54.32 to the parable of the talents where God had given gifts. 00:54:54.35\00:54:58.70 And what did the one that received 00:54:58.73\00:55:00.46 only the one gift do with it? 00:55:00.49\00:55:01.86 Buried it. He buried it. 00:55:01.89\00:55:03.30 And when the master came back and he heard that he buried it 00:55:03.33\00:55:07.90 and didn't use it, what was the response? 00:55:07.93\00:55:10.53 He took it-- You wicked servant. 00:55:10.56\00:55:12.49 That's right. He took it from and gave it to somebody 00:55:12.52\00:55:15.20 who used the gift he'd given. Yeah. 00:55:15.23\00:55:16.98 And the expanded picture then of that is that, 00:55:17.01\00:55:20.21 are we given gifts that we're not using 00:55:20.24\00:55:22.56 and that's not honoring God? 00:55:22.59\00:55:25.30 I think in every respect when we're looking at this topic, 00:55:25.33\00:55:29.18 we need to be serious about 00:55:29.21\00:55:30.71 offering the spiritual sacrifices of ourselves 00:55:30.74\00:55:33.16 back to God in whatever way He has given us 00:55:33.19\00:55:35.76 to further and advance the gospel. 00:55:35.79\00:55:37.61 When earlier we read a text he brought us 00:55:37.64\00:55:39.67 out of darkness into His marvelous light, 00:55:39.70\00:55:42.07 this marvelous light is a part of the gospel. 00:55:42.10\00:55:44.22 The marvelous light is not just the gospel that's lived, 00:55:44.25\00:55:48.05 but also the gospel that's proclaimed the glory of God. 00:55:48.08\00:55:51.81 You know, fear God and give glory to Him 00:55:51.84\00:55:54.47 for the hour of His judgment has come. 00:55:54.50\00:55:56.23 We're living in that judgment hour. 00:55:56.26\00:55:57.82 And so God wants the glory that He has entrusted to us 00:55:57.85\00:56:01.05 through the proclaiming and the living gospel 00:56:01.08\00:56:02.99 to be seen and present it to the world. 00:56:03.02\00:56:05.05 Isaiah 60 is a part of that 00:56:05.08\00:56:08.13 where we speak about the effect of allowing the God 00:56:08.16\00:56:11.38 that we have chosen to work through us. 00:56:11.41\00:56:13.58 It says, "Arise and shine, for your light has come, 00:56:13.61\00:56:16.51 and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. 00:56:16.54\00:56:19.19 For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, 00:56:19.22\00:56:22.21 and deep darkness or gross darkness the people. 00:56:22.24\00:56:24.91 But the Lord will arise over you 00:56:24.94\00:56:27.02 and His glory will be seen upon you. 00:56:27.05\00:56:29.78 The Gentiles shall come to your light, 00:56:29.81\00:56:32.61 and the kings to the brightness of your rising. 00:56:32.64\00:56:35.67 Lift up your eyes all around, and see, 00:56:35.70\00:56:37.87 they all gather together, they come to you." 00:56:37.90\00:56:40.32 And so it talks about 00:56:40.35\00:56:41.72 this light that God has given to everyone of us. 00:56:41.75\00:56:44.22 Let your light so shine. 00:56:44.25\00:56:45.78 This is the end result of allowing the gift 00:56:45.81\00:56:48.00 that God has given to us to be seen in the active 00:56:48.03\00:56:52.16 and witnessing function of the chosen believer. Wow. 00:56:52.19\00:56:57.93 And not only that, the Book of Acts 00:56:57.96\00:56:59.36 when Peter is giving that sermon 00:56:59.39\00:57:01.66 in Acts Chapter 2, 00:57:01.69\00:57:03.25 he references that passage, in another words says, 00:57:03.28\00:57:05.98 you'll be light--you'll be a light to the Gentiles 00:57:06.01\00:57:09.26 for salvation to the ends of the earth. 00:57:09.29\00:57:11.11 And he speaks of that in the context of the church 00:57:11.14\00:57:13.71 borrowing from the Old Testament model of Israel. 00:57:13.74\00:57:17.40 God--God never intends for the church to sit still. 00:57:17.43\00:57:19.80 And so, friends, if you're thinking about 00:57:19.83\00:57:21.20 what your function is, 00:57:21.23\00:57:22.77 the Lord has not called you to stay, 00:57:22.80\00:57:24.59 He's called you to go. You responded. 00:57:24.62\00:57:27.04 Now today is the day to begin following Christ. 00:57:27.07\00:57:29.71 And so follow Christ today and He will bless you. 00:57:29.74\00:57:32.82 Have a great day in Him. 00:57:32.85\00:57:34.22