Hello friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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Hello friends,
welcome to another day where
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we open the
word of God together.
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My name is John
Lomacang and I have to my right,
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my good friend,
Pastor C.A. Murray,
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good to have you here C.A.
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Oh! It's good to
be here with you John.
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I tell you, we
are enjoying something
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that the Lord has done for us.
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He has given us
nice weather here in
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Southern Illinois, we
had a lot of snow last week.
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And now we don't have
any. Yeah, snow's all gone.
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It's all gone.
Little warm. And our hearts
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are warmed also
by the presence of
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the Lord today.
So, friends thank you
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for tuning in.
Sit down, get yourself
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a comfortable
seat, get your Bibles,
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get your pens and if you
have the Internet, remember
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this email address
housecalls@3abn.org,
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that's the place
you send your questions
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whenever you have
any. And we have been
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talking about the
subjects of a number of things,
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but we are going to
do two things today,
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start a new
subject, the topic of money.
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Don't get nervous
now, we're not gonna
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ask you to send any
checks. We're gonna be
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talking about what
the word of God says
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about money. One of
the most prevalent topics
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referred to in
scripture, and C.A.
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it's amazing how
people just don't like to talk
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about money, but
the Lord talked about it
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quite a bit. Quite
a bit, quite a bit.
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And so, before
we're going to our topic,
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so why don't you lead
us before the throne of
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grace in prayer. Be
glad to do so. Okay.
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Father God, we
praise you and thank you for
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another day of life,
another day of living for
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you and service in
your cause, we thank
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you for the call
that brought us from
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darkness to light and
we thank you for the way
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that is lighted
before us, that leads to our
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heavenly home. Now,
Father, as we study,
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open our hearts, open
our minds, make us receptive,
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help us to understand,
not to be just hearers
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but doers of the
word, because it is in the
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doing that we are
made like Christ Jesus
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and we thank you dear Father,
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in Jesus name, amen. Amen.
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Thank you, you know
I mentioned this before
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I think it's worth
of repeating, I've known
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you for quite
sometime and we've known
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each other for more
than 30 years I'd say.
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Right, easily 30 years easily.
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And I'm your pastor, but
you were my pastor first.
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Aha! Years ago.
Although we're not far
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apart in age, we've had
influence in each others
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lives over the years,
yeah, you're from New York
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most of all of
your ministry. All of my
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mission in New York.
And I was born and raised
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in New York City.
Yeah. And so, today friends,
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if you had, if we
answer something that it's
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maybe from a New York
point of view, understand
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that that's been most
of our influence. Yeah,
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I may slip and call
you Rabbi, that's my
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nickname I have for
you, so. And I call you
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bishop and we're
not Rabbis and bishops,
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that's just our
affectionate name for
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each other. But
remember your questions
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are very important to
us, we have been getting
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some good questions.
You know, I like it when
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people send us
questions or some people send us
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small doctoral
dissertations, they've
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already have their mind
made up, but they want to
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get our rubber stamp
on, on what they have been
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thinking about and what
they have been believing.
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And one of the reasons
why I chose the topic on
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money is because
I'll mention this, all the
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statistics in a moment
here, but outside of that,
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it's one of the most
prevalence topics talked
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about in scripture. And
it has such an influence
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in our world today,
so much would not be done
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if money was excluded,
but so much is being done
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because money is
included. And as a Christian,
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a follower of Christ,
we need to understand how
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important money is to
the Lord, so that we could
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began to see it not as
an end in and of itself,
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but as a stewardship
simple, that's right,
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something God tests
us with. Yeah, yeah,
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I think John, money what
one does with one's money?
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Right. Maybe the
most accurate barometer of
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where their heart
is, 'cause the Bible says
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where your money
is your, you know
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your heart is also.
That's right. But if you're
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looking at what a
person spends his money on,
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then you pretty much
got a barometer on what's
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going on in their
head. And if they don't want
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to give the Lord any
of their money, well then
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they've got some issues
that we need to talk about.
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You know, one
person says everybody say,
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everybody worships a
God. Some people if you
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want to find out who
their God is look in their
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checkbook and that's
an amazing indication too.
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Oh! Yes. So, we're
gonna be talking about that
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today. So if you have
any questions about money
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send them in, but
we're not gonna begin with
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money, we're gonna
begin with some of your Bible
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questions. And once
again, thank you for those,
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it's very important to
us. Violetta in Minneapolis,
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Minnesota. I don't
give, she didn't gave a last
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name, but very
important question and I thank
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you for this question
because we want to clear
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up any misconceptions
that people may have
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gleaned from what we've
said here. And here's the
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question and then
we'll go ahead and try to
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clarify it. You say,
and I want to just couch
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this in making it
clearer that, when she brings
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up the statement Roman
Catholic Church, we don't
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teach that Roman
Catholic Christians are lost
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people, we don't teach
Roman Catholic Church has
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people in it that are
lost and can't be saved.
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We don't teach that
about any denomination,
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but she brought up a
question here, she says,
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you say the Roman
Catholic Church changed
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the Ten Commandments,
but both my son and I
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have studied
this and found the Ten
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Commandments are the same.
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Where did you
get your information?
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And of the things I
want to point out, which is,
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and by the way most
of my family is Catholic.
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I won't tell you
where they live because that
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kind of be too pointy
and narrowing things down.
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But, first of all,
it's not about whether
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a person is a
Roman Catholic or whether
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a person is a
Methodist or a Baptist, when the
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issue of the Ten
Commandments come up,
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but the issue was
brought up that the Roman
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Catholics changed the
Ten Commandments. Now,
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the Bible that's
often used by modern and
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this is as of 1970,
and I've done my research
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on this too, to
be intelligent on
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the answer, but the new
American Bible as of 1970
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became one of the
most favorite translations
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used by the American
Roman Catholics, but prior
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to that and many of the
Bibles still exist today
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in libraries and
maybe you may have one is
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the Douay-Rheims
version. The Douay-Rheims
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version, and which
was completed between 1582
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and 1609, and it was
commonly used by Roman
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Catholic English speaking
people, in Roman Catholic
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English speaking
countries. And when
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you look at the Douay
version of the Bible you
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will notice that
the Ten Commandments,
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if I recall very
clearly are written the same
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from 1 to 10, but
you'll find in the convert
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catechism of
Catholic doctrines that two
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commandments have
been changed. One has
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been omitted, and
one has been broken in
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two and one has been
moved down. Precisely.
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And now, we know that
as a part of the practice
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of the Roman Catholic
Church. And by the way,
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I want to give you
that reference to where this
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change actually
was something that was
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instrumentally done by
the Roman Catholic Church,
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that's why today Sunday
is the day that's highly
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honored in Roman
Catholicism, you may
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notice that. And
you'll find, I'll read this
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question and I'll
also read the answer and
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by the way, one of
the things that Rome has
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is a sign of
their authority is the
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fact that they contribute
their authority to the
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ability to change in
the minds of the people,
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a day of worship
from what God established
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the Seventh-day
Sabbath, to the day commonly
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understood today by
many Christians even
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in Protestant
circles as Sunday, which many
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people honor as the
day of worship. But listen
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to this quotation
and you'll find this
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by the way, in the
most recent catechism
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that the Roman
Catholic Church has,
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very thick book that
has been re-edited, yes,
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by the former Pope,
Pope John Paul the Second,
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but here's the question
and it says, Peter German
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mentions the claims of
his, of this power in his
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converts catechism,
which is the Sabbath day?
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Answer, and this is
written and today you
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still find this
reference. Saturday is the
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Sabbath day. Why do
we observe Sunday instead
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of Saturday? Here's
the answer very important,
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and this is the answer
given by a Peter German,
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Reverend Peter
German, one of the leaders in
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the Roman Catholic
Church, who is deceased
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now. He says: We
observe Sunday instead of
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Saturday because the
Council of Laodicea 336
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AD transferred
the solemnity from
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Saturday to Sunday.
And the catechism of
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the council of Trent
translated by John A.
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McHugh, and Charles.
J. Callan it has stated.
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But the Church of God
has thought it well to
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transfer the
celebration and observance
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of the Sabbath to
Sunday. And that's just
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one of the many, two
of the many references,
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yeah, that you'll
find. Now, two things pops in
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my mind because
Cardinal Gibbons in the 19th
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Century referred to
the same group of text.
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The council of Trent,
I always, I always okay,
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Trent with tradition,
okay, that the, the main
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thing that came out of
the council of Trent was
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that the traditions
of the Church supersede
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the Bible, that was
their, it's like if we're,
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1552, if we're
doing this, it's over the
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Bible because we're
doing it, right. And the Church
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has the power to
interpret the scripture and to
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change it. So, now
Daniel 7:25 talks about
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a power that will seek
to change, that's right,
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will seek to change
times and laws. The truth
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is and we're kind of
passing words here a bit,
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that the law of God
cannot be changed by any man.
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You can't change it?
But there are those who seek
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to change, who
teach that it is changed,
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but of course it
is not change, so when
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used the term they changed it,
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you're talking about
the, their attempt to change
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as opposed to their
actually changing it,
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because no one can
change as you well know.
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That's right. The law of
God, so when we say that,
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we're just, we're
talking about an attempt
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of a power to do so,
but actually no one can
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change the law of
God, even though there are
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those who teach
that it has been changed.
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And you know, that's
an amazing point I'm glad
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you brought that out,
because friends you know,
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the reality of it is we
could say this is how we
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prefer it to be, but
in actually what God has
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blessed we can't
unbless, and what God has
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ordained we
cannot un-ordain, and God
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the Father, if He
doesn't change it Jesus Christ
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in His life He didn't
change it. The followers
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of Jesus Christ, the
disciples didn't change it.
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There was a sermon
many years ago you may
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remember that,
probably popped into your
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mind when I talked
about that, the Father
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didn't, the Son
wouldn't, yeah, the Apostles
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couldn't, who did? I
remember that. And so,
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we find and we
trace this, how could
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something become
so commonly practiced
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today? I was
watching a weeks ago this,
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this show that's
seen out here on TCT,
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I asked the pastor
and a panel of pastors,
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about seven of them in
total, plus the moderator,
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was asked this
question about the Fourth
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Commandment the
Sabbath, one honestly said,
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I don't really
understand it very well,
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but the moderator
troubled me when he said,
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well there are certain
things that are not really
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that important, that's
in reference to the Sabbath,
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but we'll understand it
better when eternity rolls
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and I understood the
second part, I thought
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that was pretty
sincere. But when the Lord
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says remember. Yeah,
yeah. We say to young
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people, remember the
creator in the days of
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your youth and we
say to our young people
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today the reason why
our world is the way it is,
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is because they'd
forgotten the Lord as a
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young people. And
then we say to Christians
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that have the, they
may tend to want to go back
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to the former life;
we need to say remember
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Lot's wife. Yes,
yes, yes. And we know what
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happened to Lot's
wife? She turned into a
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pillar of salt when
she was escaping from
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the cities of Sodom
and Gomorrah. But then,
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Dr. Luke says,
remember Lot's wife, yes,
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Solomon says,
remember the Creator
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in the days of
your youth. And we say,
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don't forget those,
but God says, remember
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the Sabbath day to
keep it holy. Yeah.
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Not that if you.
And somebody comes along
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and say forget it.
True, and if you look
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at the Ten
Commandments, the construct,
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it's the longest
of the commandments.
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That's right. It
starts with the word remember,
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the Lord signs his
name in that commandment
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and it's, and the Ten
Commandments are a chain,
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if I'm pulling a
rope, if it breaks at the
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top of the chain, if
it breaks at the bottom,
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if I'm pulling
another car it's still broken.
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So they're, they're
a unit and you don't,
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it's not like a
Chinese man that you pick some
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and you reject the
others, you got to take it all,
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you got to eat
that whole thing, yeah,
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going to an old oven
commercial, but it's,
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it all comes
together. And it's highlighted,
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it's right there in the
middle, it's the longest,
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God signs his name
there, He gives his authority,
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his territory, it's a
very important commandment.
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You know, just to answer
your question even further,
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about whether or not
the Catholics did change
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the day, you'll find
that although, although
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in the Bible
itself you'll find the Ten
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Commandments written,
you find there are extra
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Biblical resources
indicate that they did change
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that and made it
very clear. Here's another
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reference, and this
you can find also the,
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I'll give you the references,
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so you can look this
up, press record right now,
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here's the reference.
Reverend Stephen Keenan
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in the book A
Doctrinal Catechism, page 174
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and this was written
by Edward Dunigan and
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Brothers in 1851,
that's the reference that
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you'll look for.
But here's the question.
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Have you any other
way of proving that the
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Church has power to
institute festivals and
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precepts? When it
says the Church referring
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to the Roman Catholic Church?
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Answer: Had she not such power,
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she could not have
done, yes, that in which all
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modern
religionists agree with her,
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she could not, and I want to by
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the way, say all
modern religionists don't
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agree with her,
yes, we still honor the
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Sabbath day and a lot
of other Christians do.
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You have
Seventh-day Baptists, you have
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Seventh-day Pentecostals,
Seventh-day Apostolic
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Church of God. You
have a lot of people that
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remember the Sabbath
is a day that God honored
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and they don't modify
that. It said: She could
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not have done that
which all modern religionists
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agree with her, she
could not have substituted
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the observance of
Sunday, the first day
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of the week, for the
observance of Saturday,
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the Seventh day. And
listen to this friends,
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this is the most
amazing part. A change for
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which there is no
Scriptural authority."
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The leaders of the
Church say, there is no
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Scriptural
authority. They say, there is no
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Scriptural authority
for this change. Right,
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and amazing. Yeah,
yeah, and then Protestants
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have to say,
tradition, that's as far as
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they can go with
that, it's not Biblical,
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it's not in the Bible,
it didn't happen in the time
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shortly after the
Bible, in the first 100 years
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there is no record
of any Sunday keeping.
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It begins infiltrate
in a little bit later.
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So basically a
Protestant has to say in this
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we're Catholic.
You know, because we,
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it's not Biblical and
the Catholics say we did it,
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right, so the
Protestants have to say, well
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we're not totally Protestant,
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we got one little
Catholic thing that we kept
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on to and it's Sunday. I
had a good friend of mine,
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I won't mention his
name because I think
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he's still alive, he
was a Catholic Priest.
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And we got
together quite a bit, when
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I pastored the Church up
in the Northern California
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area, up in the
Mountains of Weaverville,
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the Mountains of
Weaverville, Weaverville
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is so small, the
mountains around it are the
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Trinity Alps, you
know, beautiful place.
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And I had a good
friend of mine, his friend
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name was John
also, and whenever our,
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whenever our
bookmobile came through town,
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he would come and
he would buy all these
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huge books, Great Controversy,
00:15:24.68\00:15:26.81
Bible Commentaries,
but he was a Catholic
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Priest and I'd say,
why are you buying all
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of our materials? I
mean just thick, thick books,
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heavy reading and I
appreciated so much what
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he said, he said
you know what? He says,
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I want to be able,
if someone asks me what
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you teach. I want to
be able to say here's
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what they teach and
here's the writing and
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the reference for it,
rather than saying this
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is what I heard.
And there are so many
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people today that
have only heard and have
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assumed what is
being taught by scripture
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rather than referencing
it themselves. And so,
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friends here's the
challenge I give to you
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and I've, I've
shared this before and there
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is so much more in
this quotation, I read just
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one more part of it,
but the challenge I would
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give to you is, if the
Bible is your only rule
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of faith and practice
you'll have to go back
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to the Seventh-day
Sabbath because there
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is no other authority.
But if in fact, traditions
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means more than
the scriptures then you
00:16:16.57\00:16:19.14
have ample reason
not in God's eyes,
00:16:19.15\00:16:22.18
but in your own
practice that's the reason
00:16:22.19\00:16:23.98
why you will honor what you do,
00:16:23.99\00:16:25.06
if tradition is
it? And so, but yes,
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I would encourage you
and there are a number
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of other references
here where you know,
00:16:29.72\00:16:32.39
Danny Shelton, the
founder of 3ABN wrote
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a book about this
particular topic and
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I can't tell you
whether or not they're
00:16:38.38\00:16:39.73
gonna give it to you
for free, but if you contact
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3ABN and ask about
the book, about the change
00:16:41.28\00:16:43.36
of the Sabbath I'm
sure that they'll find out
00:16:43.37\00:16:45.21
a way to make
that available to you.
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But that's not an offer
I'm giving to you today,
00:16:46.90\00:16:48.82
let's just contact
3ABN and find out about
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the book, written by
Danny Shelton about the
00:16:50.37\00:16:52.03
change of the
Sabbath and many of those
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references are in
there. I have another
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question here, you
have one about this pretty
00:16:56.77\00:16:58.46
interesting today. I
thought that I'm not,
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if we answer that
before but lets share
00:17:00.50\00:17:02.41
that with our audience.
00:17:02.42\00:17:03.39
This one on, why do
Seventh-day Adventist
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has steeples on their Churches?
00:17:05.29\00:17:07.21
evidently thinks that
they are pagan symbols
00:17:07.22\00:17:09.60
and wants to know
were there any steeples
00:17:09.61\00:17:12.31
in the heavenly
sanctuary? And of course
00:17:12.32\00:17:14.28
I said, jokingly
before, there are no elevators
00:17:14.29\00:17:17.26
in heavenly sanctuary
either. But, but to take the,
00:17:17.27\00:17:20.39
the callers
question very seriously,
00:17:20.40\00:17:22.55
she maybe thinking of
Ashra Poles which are,
00:17:24.99\00:17:26.94
are talked about in
the, in the Old Testament
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we've an obelisks from
Egypt, which are pagan symbols.
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I don't really
connect steeples in Modern day
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Churches with that,
caller, one in that great era
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of Church building in the 1500s,
00:17:39.60\00:17:41.31
actually from,
from 1000 through 1700s,
00:17:41.32\00:17:45.03
steeples came into
vogue. And one of the things
00:17:46.99\00:17:50.43
they were trying to
do in their construction
00:17:50.44\00:17:52.01
of Churches was to, to
lift man's mind upward,
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higher and as such they build
00:17:55.27\00:18:00.03
steeples, they
build lofty windows,
00:18:00.04\00:18:01.46
they build thick walls
with, with soaring windows,
00:18:01.47\00:18:03.43
in an attempt to
get people's mind up.
00:18:03.92\00:18:06.26
A lot of the steeples
had crosses on the top
00:18:07.53\00:18:09.15
and sort of a traditional thing,
00:18:09.16\00:18:11.11
I don't see it as a
particularly negative thing,
00:18:11.12\00:18:13.34
the last Church I
had, had the steeples
00:18:13.35\00:18:15.42
that was over 100
feet, it was the tallest
00:18:15.43\00:18:17.39
in New York City.
And we had to take part
00:18:17.40\00:18:19.64
of it down,
mostly because it began
00:18:19.65\00:18:21.07
to dismantle
itself. But I don't see
00:18:21.08\00:18:22.98
it is as a negative
thing, and I certainly
00:18:22.99\00:18:24.55
don't see it as
something that is a harkening
00:18:24.56\00:18:27.00
back to any sort
of pagan influence.
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Probably just a
little window dressing,
00:18:30.23\00:18:31.86
just something to take
man's mind from the earth
00:18:31.87\00:18:33.47
and lift his eyes towards heaven
00:18:33.48\00:18:35.14
and I think
that is a good thing.
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It doesn't disturb my
Christianity certainly,
00:18:38.18\00:18:39.93
right, and does not
00:18:39.94\00:18:40.91
bother me that much,
I think there is a lot
00:18:40.92\00:18:42.96
of things that we
really need to worry about,
00:18:42.97\00:18:44.69
as far as their own
Christianity is concerned.
00:18:44.70\00:18:46.51
Steeples doesn't,
doesn't really bother me
00:18:47.13\00:18:48.66
one way or the
other, if you look at
00:18:48.67\00:18:50.50
the artist
renderings of this temple
00:18:50.51\00:18:53.16
that Solomon build,
not Solomon rather Herod,
00:18:53.17\00:18:55.60
that Herod build.
There were parapets,
00:18:55.61\00:18:58.59
there were pointed
parts of the temple things
00:18:59.76\00:19:02.78
that lifted man's
mind and his eyes upward.
00:19:02.79\00:19:05.58
And I don't think
that's necessary a bad thing.
00:19:05.59\00:19:07.61
You know, there
are some things today
00:19:07.62\00:19:08.88
that exist in
Christianity and I'm glad
00:19:08.89\00:19:10.46
you pointed it
out, because there is
00:19:10.47\00:19:11.75
a difference between
what a building looks like
00:19:11.76\00:19:14.28
and... and the worship
that we honor the Lord with.
00:19:14.29\00:19:17.40
We know that
there are some Churches
00:19:17.41\00:19:19.38
that have many
statues and symbols
00:19:19.39\00:19:21.54
that they bow down before, yeah.
00:19:21.55\00:19:23.41
We know that
there is some similarity
00:19:23.42\00:19:25.34
between the
obelisks in Washington DC
00:19:25.35\00:19:28.15
and the great obelisks
there in Saint Peter's square
00:19:28.16\00:19:31.38
and a lot of people say,
oh! There is an association,
00:19:31.39\00:19:33.74
there is sun
worship associating the two,
00:19:33.75\00:19:35.72
that's not necessarily the case,
00:19:35.73\00:19:38.00
but then that may, may possibly
00:19:38.01\00:19:39.98
be part of your association.
I haven't looked into that,
00:19:39.99\00:19:42.41
so I can't say
one way or the other,
00:19:42.42\00:19:45.18
so don't quote me
on that, but the stand
00:19:45.19\00:19:48.54
that we have with God is
one of the most important
00:19:48.55\00:19:51.03
things that we
need to associate with,
00:19:51.04\00:19:52.42
because there are some
people that maybe put off
00:19:52.43\00:19:54.98
by what they see and
it upsets their stand
00:19:54.99\00:19:58.72
with God. For example
00:19:58.73\00:19:59.96
the Church
steeple, if you went to
00:19:59.97\00:20:01.75
a town and you try to
00:20:01.76\00:20:02.73
find the Church.
This is something
00:20:02.74\00:20:04.07
that has become a
very significant symbol,
00:20:04.08\00:20:06.63
look for the steeple,
you'll find the Church
00:20:07.11\00:20:08.56
and the Church
uses the steeple towers
00:20:08.57\00:20:10.82
over the
buildings in most towns,
00:20:10.83\00:20:12.73
that is smaller towns
obviously not New York City,
00:20:12.74\00:20:15.48
because you can't find
St. Patrick's Cathedral,
00:20:15.49\00:20:18.41
it's nestles there
right in Fifth Avenue
00:20:18.42\00:20:20.51
with all these
large building around it,
00:20:20.52\00:20:22.04
but before these
large buildings were build,
00:20:22.05\00:20:23.68
that steeple was
a mark, a Downtown
00:20:23.69\00:20:27.64
in Manhattan,
Trinity Church, yes,
00:20:27.65\00:20:29.90
another one, that was
a great mark way back.
00:20:29.91\00:20:32.81
The Church that remain standing
00:20:33.78\00:20:35.43
when the World
Trade Center fell,
00:20:35.44\00:20:37.14
which is the oldest
Church in New York City,
00:20:37.15\00:20:38.81
that has a steeple
before all those buildings
00:20:38.82\00:20:41.31
the World Trade
Center, City Hall was build,
00:20:41.32\00:20:43.59
that stood out. And
so, if you were living
00:20:43.60\00:20:45.71
in the time, lets
just say in the late
00:20:45.72\00:20:47.32
1800s to mid 1800s
you'll find that many towns
00:20:47.33\00:20:52.18
when people looked
for the place to worship
00:20:52.19\00:20:54.37
that steeple stood
out and they knew exactly
00:20:54.38\00:20:56.54
where they were going,
it was a point of interest.
00:20:56.55\00:20:58.20
And like in New York City
00:20:58.21\00:21:00.61
when the World
Trade Centers fell
00:21:00.62\00:21:01.75
C.A., it was hard for people
00:21:01.76\00:21:03.83
to figure out
which way was downtown?
00:21:03.84\00:21:05.30
Right. Because
those large buildings
00:21:05.31\00:21:07.31
just mark, okay that's downtown
00:21:07.32\00:21:09.37
and you could see them anywhere,
00:21:09.38\00:21:10.58
when you're
traveling from New Jersey,
00:21:10.59\00:21:12.66
coming from the Holland Tunnel
00:21:13.01\00:21:14.44
you look and saw these buildings
00:21:14.45\00:21:16.12
you knew the difference
between uptown and downtown.
00:21:16.13\00:21:17.64
Sure, sure. So,
but that's, that's
00:21:17.65\00:21:21.11
neither here nor there
when it comes to worship.
00:21:21.12\00:21:23.09
You know, I want to add
John that also the Lord looks
00:21:23.10\00:21:26.72
at what's going
on in your heart?
00:21:26.73\00:21:29.18
That's right. Two people can do
00:21:29.19\00:21:30.16
the exact same thing
I'm, I'm just looking here
00:21:30.17\00:21:31.94
in Luke you know,
a Pharisee goes in,
00:21:31.95\00:21:34.79
public goes and they both pray,
00:21:34.80\00:21:36.52
one is justifying
themselves and the other
00:21:36.53\00:21:38.43
is humbling himself.
They're both on their knees
00:21:38.44\00:21:40.26
praying to God. That's right.
00:21:40.27\00:21:41.28
But what's going
on in their hearts
00:21:41.29\00:21:42.54
is totally different.
One person maybe erecting
00:21:42.55\00:21:44.76
a steeple for
self glorification,
00:21:44.77\00:21:46.68
the other is erecting a steeple
00:21:46.69\00:21:48.67
because he wants to
get our thoughts upward.
00:21:48.68\00:21:50.61
So you know, the Lord looks
00:21:53.25\00:21:55.35
at what's going on in your heart
00:21:55.36\00:21:56.33
and the worship of the heart,
00:21:56.34\00:21:58.12
that's very, very
important. And I think we got
00:21:58.13\00:21:59.99
to keep those
things always in mind.
00:22:00.00\00:22:01.42
You can't always
judge why people do things.
00:22:01.43\00:22:02.84
A lot of things
are just tradition,
00:22:02.85\00:22:03.97
but a lot of things
are sincere attempts
00:22:03.98\00:22:05.98
to get man's mind off
of himself and onto God.
00:22:05.99\00:22:09.07
That's right, lot of
I did a study a number
00:22:09.08\00:22:11.39
of years ago and
I preached a sermon
00:22:11.40\00:22:12.58
called stained glass
and I was amazed to see
00:22:12.59\00:22:17.06
that as
beautiful stained glass is.
00:22:17.07\00:22:19.81
Stained glass was build
at a time when the people
00:22:20.33\00:22:23.51
where in abject darkness
about the truth of God's word,
00:22:23.52\00:22:26.13
it was during the Dark
Ages. It became an attraction
00:22:26.14\00:22:29.85
to get people to
come inside of this,
00:22:29.86\00:22:32.44
of the large Church,
the large monasteries,
00:22:32.45\00:22:34.75
the large huge edifices,
I think that word edifice
00:22:34.76\00:22:38.16
doesn't apply to
a Storefront Church.
00:22:38.17\00:22:39.88
Not at all. You
know, a little garage,
00:22:39.89\00:22:42.93
I think it was, which
was modified into a Church
00:22:42.94\00:22:45.62
and edifice in
its awesome grander,
00:22:45.63\00:22:49.03
the windows were stained glass
00:22:49.04\00:22:50.91
because they did not
have lights like we did,
00:22:50.92\00:22:54.99
they didn't have
gas lighting yet,
00:22:55.00\00:22:56.11
they didn't
have any electricity.
00:22:56.12\00:22:58.38
And so, what had
happened is the Churches
00:22:58.39\00:23:00.65
were dimly lit
with just candles.
00:23:00.66\00:23:02.20
And so, to get any light
00:23:02.21\00:23:03.70
at all it be very, very bright.
00:23:03.71\00:23:05.04
But in order for the
people to come inside
00:23:05.05\00:23:07.67
of the sanctuaries,
inside of these large edifices
00:23:07.68\00:23:10.62
they created
stained glass windows.
00:23:10.63\00:23:13.25
Which became the attraction,
so when people came in
00:23:13.64\00:23:16.73
they saw the S-U-N and
they observe the S-U-N,
00:23:17.35\00:23:20.90
the glory of the S-U-N,
00:23:20.91\00:23:22.08
rather than the
glory of the S-O-N.
00:23:22.09\00:23:24.13
Sure. And so, it
was a way to diffuse
00:23:24.14\00:23:26.38
the real truth of God,
the stained glass diffuse
00:23:26.39\00:23:29.25
the real light of
God. And how amazing it was
00:23:29.26\00:23:31.60
that stained glass
came into existence
00:23:31.61\00:23:33.19
at a time when the
word of God and the truth
00:23:33.20\00:23:35.57
that was being
suppressed, suppressed sure.
00:23:35.58\00:23:38.10
And so, people you
look, I went to Notre Dame,
00:23:38.11\00:23:40.85
and I went to number of
the, number of the large
00:23:40.86\00:23:42.76
Churches in
Europe that are just Oh!
00:23:42.77\00:23:44.61
So inspiring, you
walk into them and you just
00:23:44.62\00:23:46.53
take a deep breath.
Yes. Because it's just,
00:23:46.54\00:23:48.58
I can't think of how
long it took for somebody to,
00:23:48.59\00:23:50.84
to climb up 200
feet, 300 feet just to put
00:23:50.85\00:23:53.94
a little carving up there,
00:23:53.95\00:23:55.76
why would that be so important?
00:23:55.77\00:23:57.11
Nowadays we don't
have that kind of thing.
00:23:57.66\00:23:59.29
Yeah. But it's
traditional once again.
00:23:59.30\00:24:02.15
One more, one more
question we have here,
00:24:03.38\00:24:04.92
this is about
tradition and it says,
00:24:04.93\00:24:06.56
you were talking
about Christians merging
00:24:06.57\00:24:08.65
with the world
and they give the day
00:24:08.66\00:24:10.64
when I talked about,
I agree a 1000% on that.
00:24:10.65\00:24:13.63
But what about
Christmas and its pagan origins?
00:24:13.64\00:24:17.52
Christians who
usually know better,
00:24:18.21\00:24:19.63
this person is writing
in their own opinion here.
00:24:19.64\00:24:21.44
And by the way, this is Jane
00:24:21.45\00:24:22.56
from Lewiston in
Idaho, are still merging
00:24:22.57\00:24:25.86
with the world by
celebrating Christmas,
00:24:25.87\00:24:28.30
as you put ...a pagan
holiday. Now, I understand
00:24:28.31\00:24:31.81
how you try to
associate to Christmas.
00:24:31.82\00:24:33.59
And I have you talk on
that, you said something
00:24:33.60\00:24:36.03
very good a moment
ago. Look in any library,
00:24:36.04\00:24:38.58
encyclopedia all the traditions
00:24:38.59\00:24:40.37
of Christmas are steep
in sun worship and paganism.
00:24:40.38\00:24:42.82
Jesus never asked us
to celebrate birthdays
00:24:43.34\00:24:45.75
either in the first
place, notice the birthday
00:24:45.76\00:24:48.39
celebration in the
Bible and how they ended.
00:24:48.40\00:24:50.02
I hope you can
discuss this on your program.
00:24:50.03\00:24:52.44
Christmas, pagan
holiday, let's talk about that.
00:24:53.07\00:24:55.28
Well, Christmas is
not a pagan holiday.
00:24:55.29\00:24:58.50
That's right. It, it
cannot be a pagan holiday.
00:24:58.51\00:25:00.90
The celebration of
the birth of Christ
00:25:00.91\00:25:03.18
is ipso facto Christian,
because you are celebrating
00:25:03.19\00:25:07.25
the birth of Christ.
Right. The day on which it is
00:25:07.26\00:25:11.00
celebrated is that His birthday?
00:25:11.01\00:25:13.49
No, I don't know if any scholar
00:25:14.14\00:25:16.85
that says December
25th is His birthday.
00:25:16.86\00:25:19.09
That's right. So, we know that.
00:25:19.10\00:25:20.07
Given that, the question is,
00:25:20.08\00:25:21.56
should we celebrate the holiday?
00:25:21.57\00:25:23.08
Should we celebrate
the birth of Christ?
00:25:23.09\00:25:25.22
You know, it's
funny, Luther and I think
00:25:25.23\00:25:26.81
it was Malatha
diverted, they split company
00:25:26.82\00:25:29.30
over two things, one said
if the Bible doesn't teach
00:25:29.31\00:25:33.18
it specifically
you cannot do it.
00:25:33.19\00:25:35.33
The other said, if the
Bible does not prohibit
00:25:35.34\00:25:38.14
it specifically you
can do it. Right. Alright,
00:25:38.15\00:25:41.03
so does the Bible
say we should celebrate
00:25:41.04\00:25:43.36
the birth of Christ? No. No,
00:25:43.37\00:25:45.78
does the Bible say
we should not celebrate
00:25:45.79\00:25:48.13
the birth of Christ? No. No,
00:25:48.14\00:25:49.81
so now we're dealing
with sanctified judgment,
00:25:50.37\00:25:52.81
we're dealing with the opinion,
00:25:52.82\00:25:54.20
an opinion.
00:25:55.48\00:25:56.45
Should we celebrate
the birth of Christ?
00:25:56.59\00:25:58.66
Well, I think it's a good time
00:25:58.67\00:26:00.33
of year to lift up Jesus.
I found that men's hearts,
00:26:00.34\00:26:04.13
when I say men, men and women,
00:26:04.14\00:26:05.12
their hearts are
softer during Christmas,
00:26:05.13\00:26:06.63
they're more
susceptible to the Gospel
00:26:06.64\00:26:09.24
during this season.
They're a little kinder
00:26:09.25\00:26:11.42
during this season,
they're in more giving
00:26:11.43\00:26:13.42
mood during the
season. So again,
00:26:13.43\00:26:15.60
I think our
celebration is determined
00:26:15.61\00:26:18.06
by our
relationship with the Lord.
00:26:18.07\00:26:19.42
And I don't know
if this is a thing
00:26:19.91\00:26:21.06
that we should
judge each other on.
00:26:21.07\00:26:22.36
I think there are
sincere Christians
00:26:22.37\00:26:24.46
who want to lift up
Jesus during this time
00:26:24.47\00:26:27.34
and I think it's a good
time to do precisely that.
00:26:27.35\00:26:30.29
It's a season of the
soul, there are times when,
00:26:31.32\00:26:33.81
when our souls are
just a little softer
00:26:33.82\00:26:35.64
and this time of
year and of course,
00:26:35.65\00:26:37.71
we're doing this
during the Christmas
00:26:37.72\00:26:38.69
season is, it
is a little softer.
00:26:38.70\00:26:40.92
So, to ignore it, I think we do
00:26:40.93\00:26:42.46
so with our
apparel. And then to anytime
00:26:42.47\00:26:44.64
you can speak a word for Jesus,
00:26:44.65\00:26:45.89
say the name of
Jesus, right, lift up
00:26:45.90\00:26:47.78
the name of
Jesus, I think Christians
00:26:47.79\00:26:49.20
ought to be the first to do so.
00:26:49.21\00:26:50.33
There are those
who'd say, well now
00:26:50.34\00:26:52.40
what about the
decorations you know
00:26:53.33\00:26:55.97
the balls on the Christmas tree,
00:26:55.98\00:26:58.36
the red and green,
don't they symbolize planets,
00:26:58.37\00:27:01.44
don't, don't the
lights on the Christmas tree
00:27:02.13\00:27:04.24
symbolize
stars, planetary stars.
00:27:04.25\00:27:06.74
Doesn't the tree
itself and I'm bringing
00:27:07.29\00:27:10.40
this up because I
know there are many people
00:27:10.41\00:27:11.67
that are asking that
question and this question
00:27:11.68\00:27:13.36
is coming before.
Doesn't the tree itself
00:27:13.37\00:27:15.56
have a some kind of
a pagan significance,
00:27:15.57\00:27:17.58
because in the Book of Jeremiah
00:27:17.59\00:27:18.69
they talked about how
they took an Evergreen
00:27:18.70\00:27:19.92
and they affix it
and they bowed and,
00:27:19.93\00:27:21.86
and worshpped before it.
So, friends there are those
00:27:21.87\00:27:25.83
who say just like,
let me use this analogy,
00:27:25.84\00:27:28.37
and I hope you
gather it this way.
00:27:28.38\00:27:30.05
The Bible
prohibits the eating of pig,
00:27:30.51\00:27:32.94
any unclean food, but we
tend to single out the pig
00:27:32.95\00:27:36.44
as the worst of
worst. And we say there
00:27:36.45\00:27:39.59
is the only one
word to describe a pig
00:27:39.60\00:27:41.02
and that's a pig,
there is no other word.
00:27:41.03\00:27:43.15
But then the Bible
also just prohibits
00:27:43.16\00:27:45.84
the eating of dog and
cat and any unclean animal
00:27:45.85\00:27:49.67
that God created as
the sanitation department.
00:27:49.68\00:27:52.17
Now, and the Bible
also said that you shouldn't
00:27:52.18\00:27:54.85
even touched their
dead carcasses. Correct.
00:27:54.86\00:27:56.67
But that was a ceremonial thing,
00:27:56.68\00:27:58.54
because if the priest
who was involving himself
00:27:58.55\00:28:00.96
in the temple
worship services were
00:28:00.97\00:28:02.69
to touch the carcass
of an unclean animal,
00:28:02.70\00:28:04.65
he had to be purified
a certain amount of time
00:28:04.66\00:28:06.70
before he participated
in the worship service,
00:28:06.71\00:28:08.29
he couldn't do it.
That's one of the reasons
00:28:08.30\00:28:10.68
why they wanted the
body of Jesus Christ
00:28:10.69\00:28:12.07
off the Cross
before the Sabbath.
00:28:12.08\00:28:13.32
That's right. They
would be unclean in order,
00:28:13.33\00:28:15.37
that's amazing to me.
Yeah, yeah, it kind of blows
00:28:15.38\00:28:18.01
the mind that
you've, you just sort of put
00:28:18.02\00:28:19.51
the guy to death,
and now you're worried
00:28:19.52\00:28:20.68
about being clean and unclean
00:28:20.69\00:28:21.75
and that kind of thing.
But now the question is,
00:28:21.76\00:28:23.64
on the same note, is
it a sin to own a pig
00:28:23.65\00:28:25.83
as a pet? No, is it a sin
to own a dog as a pet? No.
00:28:25.84\00:28:30.59
So the symbol takes
on a different meaning
00:28:31.21\00:28:32.84
when we associate it
for a different purpose.
00:28:32.85\00:28:34.54
Do you bow down and
worship your Christmas tree
00:28:35.22\00:28:37.83
that you put your gifts under.
00:28:37.84\00:28:38.91
And the Bible
even talks about that,
00:28:38.92\00:28:40.37
they put gifts under
this, but when you follow
00:28:40.38\00:28:42.02
and trace that they
did that in an honoring set
00:28:42.03\00:28:45.02
of a pagan God they
worshiped, of one they honored
00:28:45.03\00:28:47.65
other than Christ. December 25th
00:28:47.66\00:28:50.24
while it's a day
that the Christians honor
00:28:50.77\00:28:52.87
now as the birthday of
Christ, they use that day
00:28:52.88\00:28:55.07
to celebrate the
birthday of Christ.
00:28:55.08\00:28:56.52
Not being
prohibited by, by the Bible.
00:28:57.06\00:28:59.12
It's also the day anciently
observed by a pagan God
00:28:59.13\00:29:03.08
called Mithras, December 25th.
00:29:03.09\00:29:05.91
And one of the reasons
why they chose that day,
00:29:06.29\00:29:07.77
they say that was the
day of the winter solstice.
00:29:07.78\00:29:09.48
Correct. So, it has some
significant pagan symbols.
00:29:09.49\00:29:12.72
Two things that Christians have
00:29:12.73\00:29:14.17
become amazingly
prohibitive of in some circles
00:29:14.18\00:29:17.70
and the devil has done
a very good job on this.
00:29:18.21\00:29:20.25
And right now there
is a movement in America
00:29:20.26\00:29:22.56
at least to don't, to
not say Merry Christmas.
00:29:22.57\00:29:25.89
Because the pagans
and the secularists
00:29:26.87\00:29:29.39
want to get Christ out
of Christmas altogether.
00:29:29.40\00:29:31.29
Yeah. So, they go
around saying Happy Holidays.
00:29:31.30\00:29:33.60
Now, what amazes me
about that is Christians
00:29:33.61\00:29:36.00
are joining significantly
in that move when we say,
00:29:36.01\00:29:38.84
happy holiday and
we try to omit Christ
00:29:38.85\00:29:41.70
from the fact that
He was born altogether.
00:29:41.71\00:29:43.38
But I want to
share something with you
00:29:43.39\00:29:44.84
because I did this research
and this is a very important
00:29:44.85\00:29:46.52
question to spend a
little bit of time on,
00:29:46.53\00:29:48.33
to understand how we
got down to December 25th,
00:29:49.06\00:29:51.76
and I'll read this for
you, and this is ancient,
00:29:51.77\00:29:53.34
this is history. It
says, the ancient Church
00:29:53.35\00:29:56.41
at Alexandria
celebrated John the Baptist's
00:29:56.42\00:29:59.55
birthday on April
23rd, by the way you notice
00:29:59.56\00:30:02.34
that John was born how
many months before Jesus?
00:30:02.35\00:30:04.54
Six months. If the
date was given for His birth
00:30:04.55\00:30:07.54
and we could exactly
pinpoint when Jesus was born,
00:30:07.55\00:30:09.95
at least round about.
00:30:09.96\00:30:10.93
The Churches in
Alexandria celebrated
00:30:10.94\00:30:13.58
John's birthday, April 23rd.
00:30:13.59\00:30:15.49
This date was based on
tradition, not on fact.
00:30:16.36\00:30:19.42
If that day was
correct then Jesus
00:30:20.34\00:30:22.38
would have been
born about October 19th.
00:30:22.39\00:30:25.17
The same Church later changed
00:30:26.57\00:30:28.05
the date of John's
birth to June 24th.
00:30:28.06\00:30:31.14
That date would then
place the birth of Jesus
00:30:32.04\00:30:34.29
also six month
later December 25th.
00:30:34.60\00:30:36.91
Yeah. And so,
because there is no
00:30:36.92\00:30:38.94
date given in
scripture for the birth of John
00:30:38.95\00:30:40.79
the Baptist and
the birth of Christ
00:30:40.80\00:30:42.35
then the
traditions of Eastern Orthodox
00:30:43.19\00:30:46.64
and Western
Orthodoxy varied on that.
00:30:46.89\00:30:49.53
The thing that they
both agreed on was the fact
00:30:49.87\00:30:51.91
that Jesus was born. And now,
00:30:51.92\00:30:54.34
one of our
favorite authors Ellen White
00:30:54.83\00:30:56.30
gives a statement
in reference to this.
00:30:56.31\00:30:57.67
And, you know, when I have a,
00:30:57.68\00:30:58.71
whenever I have difficulties
00:30:58.99\00:30:59.96
in balancing things out,
00:30:59.97\00:31:01.38
I go to someone I
feel that's inspired
00:31:01.69\00:31:03.06
of the Lord. Sure.
Someone who is given
00:31:03.07\00:31:04.44
council as to what we
should do with this state.
00:31:04.45\00:31:06.53
Listen to this
friends, it's from a book
00:31:06.75\00:31:08.24
I've read a number of
times called Adventist Homes,
00:31:08.25\00:31:10.47
page 478 to
482. And those of you
00:31:10.48\00:31:13.45
who are not
Seventh-day Adventists
00:31:13.46\00:31:15.15
this would mean
absolutely nothing to you,
00:31:15.16\00:31:16.50
but this is a very important
00:31:16.51\00:31:17.52
point of reference,
because it gives us some
00:31:17.53\00:31:20.45
balancing understanding
00:31:20.70\00:31:21.79
of how we deal
with Christmas. Yes.
00:31:21.80\00:31:23.20
Listen to this: As
the 25th of December
00:31:23.65\00:31:26.52
is observed to
commemorate the birth of Christ,
00:31:26.53\00:31:29.56
as the children
have been instructed
00:31:30.10\00:31:32.61
that this was
indeed a day of gladness
00:31:32.62\00:31:34.93
and rejoicing like you said,
00:31:34.94\00:31:36.05
a day of softness
in the human heart,
00:31:36.06\00:31:37.63
you will find it a
difficult matter to pass over
00:31:38.74\00:31:41.03
this period without
giving it some attention.
00:31:41.04\00:31:43.10
It can be made to
serve a very good purpose.
00:31:44.70\00:31:47.07
It is a pleasant
to receive a gift,
00:31:47.59\00:31:49.87
however small,
from those we love.
00:31:50.98\00:31:53.06
It is an assurance
that we are not forgotten,
00:31:53.86\00:31:56.20
and seems to bind us
to them a little closer.
00:31:56.92\00:31:59.35
It is right to bestow
upon one another tokens
00:31:59.98\00:32:02.68
of love and remembrance
if we do not forget God,
00:32:02.69\00:32:06.33
our best friend.
00:32:06.34\00:32:07.60
Christ should be
the supreme object.
00:32:07.96\00:32:10.57
But what about
the Christmas tree?
00:32:11.25\00:32:12.37
That very same book, page 42.
00:32:12.56\00:32:14.22
God would be well
pleased if on Christmas,
00:32:15.08\00:32:17.75
each church would
have a Christmas tree
00:32:17.76\00:32:19.44
on which shall
be hung offerings,
00:32:19.45\00:32:21.72
great and small, for
these houses of worship.
00:32:22.50\00:32:25.48
There is no particular
sin in selecting a fragrant
00:32:26.02\00:32:29.29
evergreen and
placing it in our Churches,
00:32:29.30\00:32:32.46
but the sin lies in
the motive which prompts
00:32:32.82\00:32:36.42
to action and the
use which is made by
00:32:36.43\00:32:38.90
the gifts placed upon the tree.
00:32:38.91\00:32:40.70
So, the sin is not in the tree
00:32:41.74\00:32:43.04
itself because if the, if the,
00:32:43.05\00:32:44.15
if the evergreen
tree was a sin we go back
00:32:44.16\00:32:46.50
to the Garden of
Eden where Adam blamed God
00:32:46.51\00:32:48.77
for the woman.
The woman blamed God
00:32:48.78\00:32:51.63
for the serpent
and the serpent could
00:32:51.64\00:32:53.47
rightfully blame God
for putting that tree
00:32:53.48\00:32:55.21
of the knowledge of good
00:32:55.22\00:32:56.19
and evil there.
Sure, sure, sure.
00:32:56.20\00:32:57.17
So, nothing God creates
in and of itself is a sin,
00:32:57.18\00:32:59.43
it is the motive
that lies behind it.
00:32:59.74\00:33:01.38
Yeah. Now, is Christmas a time,
00:33:01.39\00:33:02.75
that brings cheer to the world,
00:33:02.76\00:33:03.96
yes it is, is it
the birth of Christ?
00:33:03.97\00:33:05.98
No, it is not. We don't observe
00:33:05.99\00:33:08.12
it as the birth of
Christ, nor do we bow down
00:33:08.13\00:33:10.39
and worship it as some
may say this is a holy day
00:33:10.40\00:33:13.69
and some orders,
if you miss Christmas,
00:33:14.31\00:33:16.27
that's a mortal sin.
Yeah. If you miss Easter,
00:33:16.78\00:33:18.73
that's a mortal
sin, and you know exactly
00:33:18.74\00:33:20.56
what Church I'm referring to,
00:33:20.57\00:33:22.00
but that's not a mortal sin,
00:33:22.40\00:33:23.87
observing it or not observing
00:33:23.88\00:33:25.21
it is not something that
has to do with salvation.
00:33:25.22\00:33:27.66
Yeah, if you
look at, at you know,
00:33:27.67\00:33:29.28
we often say, well
something is pagan,
00:33:29.29\00:33:31.34
right, and we just
sort of stop there.
00:33:31.61\00:33:32.65
But the pagans saw the evergreen
00:33:32.66\00:33:36.82
as a really a sign
of life during a dead
00:33:36.83\00:33:38.86
long bleak winter,
right, although the trees
00:33:38.87\00:33:41.39
had dropped their leaves,
00:33:41.40\00:33:42.40
they were in this dormant state,
00:33:42.41\00:33:43.50
they were ugly to look at,
00:33:43.51\00:33:44.48
here's this one
little bit of green.
00:33:44.49\00:33:46.12
That's right. So they,
00:33:46.13\00:33:47.10
they honor that bit
of green because it,
00:33:47.11\00:33:48.30
it, it said that
life continues you know,
00:33:48.77\00:33:50.29
even during the
winter. And so, our traditions
00:33:50.30\00:33:53.41
hearken more back to that than,
00:33:53.57\00:33:55.00
I mean Mithraism
came from the East,
00:33:55.01\00:33:57.15
the Roman soldiers
brought it back to Rome.
00:33:57.16\00:33:58.53
Then it sort of
spread through Europe,
00:33:58.54\00:34:00.24
but the traditions
that undergird Christmas
00:34:00.25\00:34:03.33
celebration, now,
come a little bit more
00:34:03.34\00:34:05.84
from Western
Europe, from Germany,
00:34:05.85\00:34:06.97
from those kind of things and.
00:34:06.98\00:34:08.15
And the pagans were
trying to remind themselves
00:34:08.16\00:34:10.63
that spring is
gonna come again and,
00:34:10.64\00:34:12.10
and you know it's,
all of the fall festivals
00:34:12.11\00:34:13.75
deal with lights, the
days have gotten shorter,
00:34:13.76\00:34:15.68
more darkness, less light. So,
00:34:16.15\00:34:17.93
all of their festivals you know,
00:34:18.53\00:34:20.37
even the late fall
festivals deal with lights
00:34:21.25\00:34:23.29
because they wanted light,
00:34:23.30\00:34:24.27
light was very important
in the long dark winter.
00:34:24.28\00:34:26.17
So, they did those
things, but many times
00:34:26.79\00:34:28.60
they were just
trying to remind themselves
00:34:28.61\00:34:30.60
that it's going to get better,
00:34:30.61\00:34:31.97
we've got a little
green to remind us,
00:34:32.35\00:34:33.58
we've got some
lights to remind us,
00:34:33.59\00:34:34.71
and the days
are gonna get longer
00:34:34.72\00:34:35.79
and life is gonna get better,
00:34:35.80\00:34:36.82
things are gonna get warmer.
00:34:36.83\00:34:37.87
And we've taken a lot of
our traditions from that,
00:34:38.07\00:34:39.81
I think, I think your
point is very, very important,
00:34:39.91\00:34:41.72
that it's what's going
on in the heart you know,
00:34:42.02\00:34:43.73
we're not deifying that tree,
00:34:43.74\00:34:44.77
we're not worshiping that tree,
00:34:44.78\00:34:45.75
we're worshiping Jesus,
00:34:46.13\00:34:47.13
we're still in love with Jesus
00:34:47.14\00:34:48.57
for us it's all about Jesus.
00:34:48.84\00:34:50.25
And as long as you
keep your balance you know,
00:34:50.47\00:34:52.58
I think you're on,
you're on safe territory.
00:34:52.59\00:34:53.99
And if you give me
an open door as a person
00:34:54.00\00:34:55.64
who does not honor Christ
by saying Merry Christmas,
00:34:55.65\00:34:58.66
and all of a sudden you realize
00:34:59.22\00:35:00.20
that Jesus was
born, do you realize
00:35:00.21\00:35:01.80
even in countries
where communism exists
00:35:01.81\00:35:03.89
where Jesus has, has almost been
00:35:03.90\00:35:05.38
removed from
societies, they understand
00:35:05.39\00:35:07.41
that December 25th, 2005,
00:35:07.42\00:35:10.19
2005 means in the
year of our Lord a fact,
00:35:10.71\00:35:13.94
yes, that Jesus Christ was born.
00:35:14.28\00:35:15.63
Yes. Honor the
man, don't put too much
00:35:15.64\00:35:18.06
significance in the day,
00:35:18.07\00:35:19.18
don't make it a big old time,
00:35:19.45\00:35:20.55
where you see, well
this has got to be the day
00:35:20.56\00:35:22.15
that Christ was born,
that's not significant,
00:35:22.16\00:35:24.26
that's not scriptural,
that's not historical,
00:35:24.62\00:35:26.15
there is no foundation for that.
00:35:27.54\00:35:28.51
And do not let the commercialism
00:35:28.52\00:35:29.60
and the paganism
of the world become
00:35:29.61\00:35:31.06
the focal point of
why you do what you do?
00:35:31.07\00:35:33.84
And that's why I chose the,
00:35:34.37\00:35:35.48
the, the subject of money.
00:35:36.39\00:35:38.52
And by the way,
friend if you have any
00:35:38.53\00:35:39.51
questions on work
whatever we talked about,
00:35:39.52\00:35:41.23
or what we're
going to talk about,
00:35:41.83\00:35:42.95
send those questions
to housecalls@3abn.org,
00:35:42.96\00:35:45.67
that's housecalls@3abn.org.
00:35:45.68\00:35:49.36
Now, Pastor C.A
, I'm excited about
00:35:49.87\00:35:51.93
the topic of
money. And the reason
00:35:51.94\00:35:54.94
why this is so
important friends is because
00:35:54.95\00:35:56.57
what you do with your
money is so very important,
00:35:56.58\00:36:00.81
in reference to the advancing
00:36:01.12\00:36:02.69
of the kingdom of
God and the Gospel
00:36:02.70\00:36:05.36
of the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:36:05.37\00:36:06.55
Now, one of the things
I thank Lord for is that,
00:36:07.07\00:36:08.94
we don't have money like
00:36:08.95\00:36:10.24
they did thousands of years ago.
00:36:10.25\00:36:12.11
Praise the Lord.
We have something
00:36:12.12\00:36:14.43
called legal
tender, a paper money,
00:36:14.44\00:36:17.43
which in fact in
different societies
00:36:18.44\00:36:20.08
have different
designs on it, holograms,
00:36:20.88\00:36:24.06
watermarks,
symbols of that specific
00:36:24.82\00:36:28.04
government
associating, but here in America
00:36:28.05\00:36:30.97
we have something pretty unique,
00:36:30.98\00:36:32.45
which there is
even a battle over this,
00:36:32.90\00:36:34.32
it's amazing to
me how Pastor C.A,
00:36:34.33\00:36:36.33
how people are
fighting to just get
00:36:36.97\00:36:39.32
Jesus out of society. Yes.
00:36:39.33\00:36:41.11
There are those who said,
00:36:41.24\00:36:42.21
well in God we
trust was added later on,
00:36:42.22\00:36:44.90
we need to get In God
we trust off the money.
00:36:44.91\00:36:46.78
Off the money.
There are those who say
00:36:46.79\00:36:48.01
one nation under God
was added after the Pledge
00:36:48.02\00:36:51.17
of Allegiance was established.
00:36:51.18\00:36:52.31
So we need to take that out.
00:36:52.60\00:36:53.64
I don't support that friends.
00:36:53.65\00:36:55.05
What American
needs more than anything
00:36:55.56\00:36:57.25
else right now
is a sense of God,
00:36:57.26\00:36:59.11
it's a sense of
Christ, it's a sense of Jesus,
00:36:59.12\00:37:01.16
a society without Jesus
is not a society with order,
00:37:01.59\00:37:04.51
is not a society
that's gonna be blessed.
00:37:04.89\00:37:06.43
So, if every time
you spend a dollar,
00:37:07.81\00:37:09.14
it says In God we trust, yeah,
00:37:09.15\00:37:10.57
you got to realize that
money is a gift from God
00:37:11.06\00:37:13.61
and thereby using
it the way that God
00:37:14.15\00:37:15.97
has given to us
is something that we
00:37:15.98\00:37:18.10
will be accountable
for. I want to spend
00:37:18.11\00:37:20.55
a few moments talking
about the types of money
00:37:20.56\00:37:22.76
the Bible talks about.
00:37:22.77\00:37:23.78
And this is very
interesting because
00:37:24.28\00:37:25.74
there are various societies,
00:37:26.71\00:37:28.51
the Hebrews, the
Jews, the Romans,
00:37:28.52\00:37:30.22
or the Greeks,
throughout the years
00:37:32.30\00:37:33.27
they have
various types of money.
00:37:33.28\00:37:34.25
And the Bible uses
words that we have used
00:37:34.26\00:37:37.52
before such as
talents, and shekel and beka,
00:37:37.53\00:37:40.55
and all these
different things and,
00:37:40.99\00:37:42.26
and Gera and we
didn't understand exactly
00:37:42.27\00:37:44.74
what that translated
into in our modern society.
00:37:44.75\00:37:48.35
And lets just
share a few of those,
00:37:48.88\00:37:49.98
let's start with the
Jewish weight and because
00:37:50.36\00:37:53.36
the Bible in Revelation
talks about a hail about
00:37:53.37\00:37:56.26
the weight of a talent. Yes.
00:37:56.27\00:37:57.99
The Bible also talks
about a man who hid his talent,
00:37:58.45\00:38:00.68
his one talent in the ground.
00:38:00.69\00:38:02.17
And so, lets
begin and I'll have,
00:38:02.90\00:38:04.29
we'll talk back and forth here
00:38:04.30\00:38:05.59
on the chart here a talent,
00:38:06.65\00:38:08.31
how much gold is a
talent in rough respects?
00:38:08.32\00:38:11.29
Okay. Five. A talent of
gold is about five million.
00:38:12.08\00:38:18.49
Million, yeah I'm
looking at five million,
00:38:18.50\00:38:19.47
I've to, it's
five million dollars.
00:38:19.48\00:38:22.61
The equivalent of 3000 shekels,
00:38:24.76\00:38:26.77
or 6000 bekas, and
the translation is often
00:38:27.19\00:38:30.24
referred to as a talent.
00:38:30.25\00:38:31.51
So, the one who
get three talents,
00:38:32.11\00:38:33.58
five talents, one
talent that was a lot of money.
00:38:33.78\00:38:37.84
Good piece of change, it is.
00:38:37.86\00:38:39.02
Five million, seven
hundred and sixty thousand
00:38:39.32\00:38:42.56
dollars is
equivalent to a talent of Gold.
00:38:43.03\00:38:45.96
And the value of
that is 15 times the value
00:38:46.20\00:38:48.82
of silver. So, a talent
of gold is about 15 times
00:38:48.83\00:38:52.88
the value of silver. So, but it,
00:38:52.89\00:38:56.47
but it was also a
way that they measured,
00:38:56.58\00:38:58.69
it was a weight of measure.
00:38:58.84\00:39:00.04
Not just something.
So when you think about
00:39:00.55\00:39:02.79
a Jewish, it was
about 75 pounds for the
00:39:02.80\00:39:05.82
common talent, 60 minors.
00:39:05.83\00:39:09.04
And so, you find that
the talent which was also
00:39:09.40\00:39:12.17
associated with
money was also associated
00:39:12.18\00:39:15.00
with weights and measures.
00:39:15.01\00:39:16.20
With weights and measures, sure.
00:39:16.21\00:39:17.18
Another one a
shekel, now by the way a
00:39:17.45\00:39:19.83
talent of gold we
said, five million,
00:39:19.84\00:39:21.95
seven hundred and
sixty thousand dollars,
00:39:22.26\00:39:23.83
the common association
of a Biblical talent,
00:39:23.84\00:39:26.38
but in silver, a
single talent was about three
00:39:26.75\00:39:30.03
hundred and eighty
four thousand dollars.
00:39:30.35\00:39:33.30
And equivalent to,
it talks about that,
00:39:34.21\00:39:38.09
equivalent to 3000
shekels, but we have to
00:39:38.70\00:39:41.25
narrow this down and
I like the factor that
00:39:41.41\00:39:43.36
they included
shekels there because,
00:39:43.37\00:39:45.09
nowadays somebody
says, do you have a dollar,
00:39:45.37\00:39:47.13
do you have a nickel,
and do you have a dime?
00:39:47.42\00:39:49.14
Oh! Yes. Then I'll
say do you have a shekel.
00:39:50.04\00:39:51.77
But in England, my
wife was born in England
00:39:52.39\00:39:55.27
I don't know, if they
used it today still I maybe
00:39:55.66\00:39:57.26
totally ignorant on this point,
00:39:57.51\00:39:58.89
but pounds I know
pounds are still there,
00:39:59.20\00:40:00.82
pounds,
shilling and pence, yeah.
00:40:00.83\00:40:02.52
And I think the
word farthing, farthing.
00:40:02.69\00:40:04.76
I don't, farthing
anymore, I don't think,
00:40:05.26\00:40:07.28
I just pretty much
pound, shillings and pence.
00:40:07.29\00:40:08.86
Pound, shillings
and pence, and you know
00:40:08.87\00:40:11.88
we think that
we're powerful in the
00:40:11.89\00:40:12.93
United States, but
the pounds are just more
00:40:12.94\00:40:14.18
powerful than
the US dollar don't,
00:40:14.19\00:40:15.54
don't brag it, don't
send us letters on that.
00:40:15.55\00:40:17.27
Always been
stronger than US dollar.
00:40:17.41\00:40:18.99
Always been
stronger, royalty has a way of
00:40:19.00\00:40:22.20
overshadowing just the
next president to come.
00:40:22.21\00:40:24.52
But you find a
shekel also, let's how much
00:40:25.40\00:40:28.29
is a shekel of
gold? One thousand,
00:40:28.30\00:40:30.30
nine hundred and twenty dollars.
00:40:30.31\00:40:31.53
It is equivalent to,
this is, blow me away,
00:40:32.06\00:40:34.26
it's equivalent to 4 days wages.
00:40:34.62\00:40:39.06
That was a good
salary, what do you think?
00:40:39.16\00:40:40.65
Not bad. In Biblical times,
00:40:40.66\00:40:43.61
a shekel of gold $1,920
was equivalent to 4 days
00:40:44.10\00:40:49.55
wages. It was also
two bekas and 20 Geras and
00:40:49.56\00:40:53.69
we'll talk about
that in just a moment.
00:40:53.70\00:40:55.23
And the common
phrase in the Bible that you
00:40:55.44\00:40:56.92
used the common
word that was identifying
00:40:56.93\00:40:59.11
this was the word
shekel. Shekel, sure.
00:40:59.12\00:41:01.33
So, you find
that Judas, I mean he,
00:41:01.52\00:41:07.21
he sold out the Lord
for 30 pieces of silver.
00:41:07.55\00:41:10.94
The guy wasn't even
conscious enough to ask
00:41:11.74\00:41:14.62
for gold or talents,
but no matter what he asked
00:41:14.63\00:41:17.85
for, still wouldn't
have sufficed, because Jesus
00:41:17.86\00:41:20.26
Christ is more
valuable than anything.
00:41:20.27\00:41:21.98
Amen. And he deceived
Christ for just next to
00:41:22.05\00:41:23.97
nothing. The human
carnal heart sold Jesus
00:41:23.98\00:41:26.47
out thinking that
it was just a game,
00:41:26.48\00:41:28.12
but then there is one,
there is another one that
00:41:28.75\00:41:30.33
we don't hear very
much about is called the
00:41:30.34\00:41:31.93
beka, B-E-K-A and tell
us the equivalent of that
00:41:31.94\00:41:35.61
by the way.
You've got $960 in gold
00:41:35.62\00:41:38.31
and $64 silver. And by the way,
00:41:38.44\00:41:41.57
a shekel of silver
was equivalent to a $128,
00:41:41.58\00:41:44.94
most people would
rather get a shekel of
00:41:45.40\00:41:46.94
gold 900, $920, then a
shekel of silver a $128,
00:41:46.95\00:41:52.34
but a beka which is
about a half a shekel or
00:41:52.67\00:41:56.07
ten geras and the
translations once again in
00:41:56.08\00:41:58.97
scripture is a beka,
you don't find that talked
00:41:58.98\00:42:01.35
about quite often, but
you find talents, shekels.
00:42:01.36\00:42:05.14
And but then the last
one, and this is by the way
00:42:05.53\00:42:08.17
Jewish weights,
you had other cultures,
00:42:08.29\00:42:10.52
but we'll talk about
that in just a moment here,
00:42:10.53\00:42:12.13
but the last one is
what a gera and that is
00:42:12.49\00:42:14.51
about how much in gold.
Ninety six dollars in gold,
00:42:14.52\00:42:17.33
and a mere $6 and
40 cents in silver.
00:42:18.33\00:42:22.40
So, if you were
getting a day's wage and we
00:42:22.62\00:42:27.54
have to go down to the penny,
00:42:27.55\00:42:28.84
we're gonna talk about
that in a moment because
00:42:28.85\00:42:30.22
you know, lot of
times you see the parable
00:42:30.23\00:42:32.18
of the, of the workers
in vineyard, workers in
00:42:32.19\00:42:34.25
the field. They all
got a penny, they all no
00:42:34.26\00:42:38.38
matter how long they
work they got the same
00:42:38.39\00:42:40.35
wage, a penny. Today,
there are be those in our
00:42:40.36\00:42:44.03
society say, well
don't give me any geras and
00:42:44.04\00:42:47.03
I'm not crazy about
shekels, and I would hang,
00:42:47.04\00:42:49.62
you know, I won't
mind handling a shekel,
00:42:49.63\00:42:51.41
but what I really
want is a talent, a talent,
00:42:51.64\00:42:54.01
I want one talent,
and there is a lot of
00:42:54.10\00:42:55.95
money one talent. But
now there is a Persian
00:42:55.96\00:42:59.80
coin that is
refer to in scripture,
00:43:00.02\00:43:04.01
is daric, DARIC, I
hope I'm pronouncing that
00:43:04.47\00:43:08.37
correctly all you English
scholars and you Biblical
00:43:08.38\00:43:11.19
theologians, you
may want to correct me,
00:43:11.20\00:43:12.58
if you feel to need
to do so, do so humbly
00:43:12.59\00:43:15.46
though, but a daric is
about how much in gold?
00:43:15.47\00:43:19.54
In gold we've got $1,28
in gold and $64 in silver.
00:43:20.59\00:43:26.66
And they say in the
Persian culture at the time,
00:43:27.11\00:43:29.57
the gold daric was 20
times more valuable than
00:43:30.13\00:43:34.34
the silver daric. And
so, if you got paid again,
00:43:34.35\00:43:37.98
that was
equivalent to two days wages.
00:43:38.49\00:43:41.09
And so, in the Persian
culture, two days wages,
00:43:42.75\00:43:46.33
that's a lot of
money $1,280. Yeah.
00:43:46.47\00:43:50.80
Now, unless they live
in inflationary times,
00:43:51.41\00:43:53.16
where you can buy very much,
00:43:53.17\00:43:54.57
that was a very good living.
00:43:55.23\00:43:56.32
Yes, indeed. And the
common translation is
00:43:56.40\00:44:00.56
drachma, now you
know, you're gonna send me
00:44:02.53\00:44:04.58
and correct me on
that D-R-A-C-H-M-A,
00:44:04.59\00:44:07.57
drachma, drachma,
drachma is the way that
00:44:07.58\00:44:09.81
that Persian coin
is often translated,
00:44:09.82\00:44:11.84
but then we have to
get to the culture that
00:44:12.51\00:44:14.08
influenced the world
greatly, the Greek culture.
00:44:14.23\00:44:17.21
You find the
Jewish, the Persian,
00:44:17.58\00:44:19.05
the Greeks and the Romans,
00:44:19.06\00:44:20.17
we'll go to the Romans last,
00:44:20.18\00:44:21.66
but I'll give you the,
I'll, I'll let you have fun
00:44:22.30\00:44:25.29
telling and what that
first Roman coin or that
00:44:25.60\00:44:29.91
Greek coin is called.
The first one is the tetra
00:44:29.92\00:44:32.37
drachma, okay, at $128, okay,
00:44:32.38\00:44:36.27
the equivalent
cost is, is 4 drachma,
00:44:38.60\00:44:40.35
and it's a piece
money then you've got the
00:44:40.85\00:44:42.73
de drachma or di
drachma, de drachma
00:44:43.16\00:44:45.16
I suspect, $64, the
drachma at $32 and the
00:44:45.17\00:44:52.31
lepton at 25
cents, 25 cents. You know
00:44:52.32\00:44:57.01
what's amazing?
That was a quarter of a
00:44:57.02\00:44:59.66
Roman Quadrantes.
And you find the words
00:44:59.67\00:45:03.97
using in the Bible
and these translations was
00:45:03.98\00:45:06.43
simply for the, you
said that so wonderful and
00:45:06.44\00:45:08.66
so eloquent, it was
called a piece of money,
00:45:08.67\00:45:11.51
it was called a
tribute. So when there was a
00:45:11.76\00:45:14.41
tribute given? This
tribute was not a salute
00:45:14.42\00:45:17.24
somewhat, or a
banquet being held.
00:45:17.25\00:45:19.13
But this one in
fact in a monetary form,
00:45:19.60\00:45:22.37
a Di drachma, tetradrachma,
00:45:22.80\00:45:25.51
drachma or lepton as
you so wonderfully said.
00:45:26.25\00:45:29.09
Yeah. Now, let's go
down to the Roman coins,
00:45:29.10\00:45:31.12
and by the way, we
have in America we have
00:45:31.36\00:45:34.62
the dollar, we
have the $5 dollars,
00:45:34.63\00:45:36.40
we have the $10.
And you know what,
00:45:36.41\00:45:38.33
there is nothing in
America that's really old
00:45:38.34\00:45:40.25
because we got
established around the
00:45:41.50\00:45:42.89
1700s? Yeah. So,
at best our society is
00:45:42.90\00:45:47.00
about 300 years, a
little more than 300 years old,
00:45:47.01\00:45:50.42
the society in America.
So, there is really nothing
00:45:50.43\00:45:52.26
old here, we are
society that evolved and many
00:45:52.42\00:45:55.61
of our practices and
many of our systems of
00:45:55.62\00:45:57.28
money and coins and
measurements has its
00:45:57.29\00:46:00.75
origin and some
culture and the Greek culture
00:46:00.76\00:46:04.38
and Roman culture
being one of the most
00:46:04.39\00:46:05.70
influential and the
Jewish culture, yeah.
00:46:05.71\00:46:07.86
We don't have very
many things today that's
00:46:07.87\00:46:09.41
Persia. This is a
nice simple way to,
00:46:09.42\00:46:11.62
to do your money,
you got a tetradrachma,
00:46:11.63\00:46:14.85
then you split
that in half di drachma,
00:46:14.86\00:46:16.46
you split that in half
again you got a di drachma,
00:46:16.47\00:46:18.66
then you've got this
25 cent piece basically
00:46:18.67\00:46:22.09
the lepton. And the
chart here equates that
00:46:22.10\00:46:25.26
to that mite, so we
get a kind of idea what
00:46:25.27\00:46:26.91
the widow, widow's
mite was to put in 50 cents,
00:46:26.92\00:46:29.88
right, which is all she
had and the Lord of course
00:46:30.06\00:46:32.56
was impressed with
that because. C. A. again
00:46:32.57\00:46:33.96
I want, I don't want
to miss that, a heart,
00:46:33.97\00:46:35.61
the lepton was
also called the mite.
00:46:35.78\00:46:37.28
The might, yeah,
yeah. So, when the widow
00:46:37.29\00:46:39.17
put in two mites,
yeah, she put in 50 cents,
00:46:39.18\00:46:41.69
50 cents in our
money? Now, that wasn't
00:46:41.70\00:46:43.39
that very much. No,
but the Lord was impressed
00:46:43.40\00:46:45.47
with that because it came from,
00:46:45.48\00:46:46.95
from the heart, yeah.
Well, and now let's go
00:46:47.65\00:46:50.11
to Roman, the Roman
coins, I'm not gonna break
00:46:50.12\00:46:52.43
your flow you did
really good on the last one,
00:46:52.44\00:46:54.22
so I'm gonna just
gonna have you keep going.
00:46:54.23\00:46:55.53
Alright, we're
dealing with the, the arias
00:46:56.89\00:46:58.79
at $800, the
denarius which is one we hear
00:46:59.41\00:47:02.56
that most about at
$32, the assarius at $2,
00:47:02.57\00:47:07.42
and the quadrantes at 50 cents.
00:47:07.95\00:47:10.24
So that denarius is
the largest at $800 and the
00:47:12.44\00:47:15.82
denarius at 50, 50
cents. And so, therefore
00:47:15.83\00:47:19.70
when the Bible talks
about penny that's the
00:47:19.71\00:47:22.03
assarius, that
penny, that copper coin.
00:47:22.04\00:47:25.18
That was in fact a
$2 piece. And so when,
00:47:25.91\00:47:30.63
when the, the
laborers in the vineyard were
00:47:30.89\00:47:33.79
being paid, they
were being paid a penny at
00:47:33.80\00:47:36.81
the end of the day or
$2 at the end of the day,
00:47:36.82\00:47:38.94
that was not very
much and there are those
00:47:38.95\00:47:41.14
that worked longer
and they were upset
00:47:41.15\00:47:42.84
about that, but you
find that when the Lord
00:47:42.85\00:47:46.82
desires, when the
Lord desires to give us
00:47:46.83\00:47:48.92
what He does, He is
not bound by our desire
00:47:48.93\00:47:52.55
as much as the fact
that everyone gets the
00:47:52.56\00:47:54.82
same reward, that's
the whole association.
00:47:54.83\00:47:57.26
You know, this is
funny, that touches me
00:47:57.39\00:47:58.99
because my dad
you know the story,
00:47:59.00\00:48:01.44
I baptized my father
one month before he had
00:48:02.08\00:48:04.56
a stroke in the
past. I think he was in his
00:48:05.19\00:48:07.04
early 70s at the time,
lived his life for himself
00:48:07.05\00:48:10.88
and for Satan and the
Lord just touched him,
00:48:10.89\00:48:15.06
I flew home and I
baptized and then one
00:48:15.44\00:48:17.25
month later my
mom called and said,
00:48:17.26\00:48:19.09
your father has had
a stroke and he died.
00:48:19.10\00:48:21.16
So, he only got one
month to serve the Lord,
00:48:21.34\00:48:23.28
but I use that text
at, at the funeral that he
00:48:24.02\00:48:28.82
gets the same heaven,
as a person who served
00:48:28.83\00:48:30.67
the Lord all his
life. That's a blessing.
00:48:30.68\00:48:32.50
And you know he gets,
he gets a house in the
00:48:32.61\00:48:34.77
city, he doesn't get a
house outside some place.
00:48:34.78\00:48:36.90
He gets a penny like,
he gets the same penny
00:48:36.91\00:48:38.54
you know the one that
comes at the 11th hour,
00:48:38.55\00:48:40.14
gets the same penny.
And it shows the fairness
00:48:40.15\00:48:42.51
of, God is fair, God
wants us all to be saved.
00:48:42.52\00:48:45.48
If we are not saved
we cannot lay the blame
00:48:46.21\00:48:48.22
at God's, at God'
feet, he spend his whole life
00:48:48.23\00:48:51.46
run from the Lord, got
in 30 days, but he got in.
00:48:51.69\00:48:55.31
Praise the
Lord. And that's what,
00:48:55.56\00:48:56.53
that's what counts?
That makes a difference,
00:48:56.54\00:48:57.83
so friends the penny
is, as the most scorned
00:48:57.84\00:49:04.46
coin in America, if a
penny is on the ground
00:49:04.86\00:49:08.05
people walk by
penny, they throw pennies
00:49:08.07\00:49:10.42
and wishing well, we
don't believe in wishing
00:49:10.86\00:49:12.86
wells, but it's just,
it seems like anybody of
00:49:12.87\00:49:15.31
water in the
mall. Is gonna have some
00:49:15.32\00:49:17.44
pennies in it. People
are gonna throw coins in it,
00:49:17.45\00:49:19.19
quarters, nickels,
dimes and I don't know,
00:49:19.99\00:49:21.80
I think they would do
well, I mean I would like
00:49:22.19\00:49:24.29
to be the guy that
empties the well. Yeah.
00:49:24.30\00:49:25.90
Rather than feels it
up because you get a lot
00:49:26.49\00:49:28.65
more that, but I want
to now go and you know,
00:49:28.66\00:49:31.69
there are so much in
the Bible talked about in
00:49:31.70\00:49:33.43
reference to money. Do you know?
00:49:33.44\00:49:35.44
You may not know
this trivia, but money is
00:49:35.59\00:49:39.20
talked about, it's
mentioned more than hell
00:49:39.39\00:49:42.87
and the grave.
It's mention more than
00:49:43.41\00:49:47.59
hell and the grave,
and I put the word there
00:49:47.60\00:49:50.25
grace, but I
actually meant grave.
00:49:50.26\00:49:51.95
When you look at the
word hell and the grave
00:49:52.20\00:49:54.65
combined they're
mentioned a 121 times
00:49:54.99\00:49:57.43
scripture, but when
the word money is used it's
00:49:57.44\00:50:00.70
found a 140 times and
I'm using the reference
00:50:00.71\00:50:03.65
of the King James
Version, one of the older
00:50:03.66\00:50:05.51
translations. So,
you'll find that the Lord put
00:50:05.52\00:50:09.87
quite a bit of weight
on the subject of money,
00:50:09.88\00:50:13.25
money, couple of
facts about money, one,
00:50:13.26\00:50:16.23
we work for it, I
do, what's the other one?
00:50:16.24\00:50:17.98
We live it, they're
talking about qualities of
00:50:18.75\00:50:21.46
our lives, you cannot
have a quality of life
00:50:21.47\00:50:23.12
without him not in this economy.
00:50:23.13\00:50:24.95
Money is the focused
on nearly every business
00:50:26.74\00:50:29.15
transaction, you
know what I think?
00:50:29.16\00:50:30.23
There are lot of
businesses were closed like
00:50:30.24\00:50:31.82
yesterday, the
people decided come just for
00:50:31.96\00:50:34.59
the service and
not leave any money,
00:50:34.60\00:50:36.04
the waitress. Yeah,
oh! My goodness, yes.
00:50:37.11\00:50:39.41
You know, she
doesn't live for the salary;
00:50:39.78\00:50:41.34
she lives for the
tips, for the tips, true.
00:50:41.67\00:50:43.30
The large restaurants
they call it gratuity.
00:50:45.05\00:50:47.16
And the Lord, if you
look at this whole thing C.A.
00:50:48.15\00:50:50.55
the Lord is some,
one of the most gracious
00:50:51.14\00:50:53.04
in the, in the entire
economy setting because
00:50:53.05\00:50:55.23
in the restaurant they want 15%,
00:50:56.14\00:50:57.96
they're gonna take
their 15% gratuity when
00:50:59.75\00:51:01.88
there is a certain
amount of people whether
00:51:01.89\00:51:03.21
you want to or not?
Right. The government
00:51:03.22\00:51:05.47
wants 30%, or
33% of your salary,
00:51:05.48\00:51:08.18
but the Lord asks for 10%. Yeah.
00:51:08.85\00:51:11.25
So, God is most
gracious out of all the three.
00:51:11.66\00:51:13.64
And he says, I'll return
it back to and blessings,
00:51:13.81\00:51:15.58
now you can do
more with it then 90%
00:51:16.11\00:51:18.15
and my blessing
then 100% without more
00:51:18.36\00:51:20.57
blessing. That's
right. So, if you give to Him,
00:51:20.58\00:51:22.59
He promised us
to give back, yeah.
00:51:22.72\00:51:24.71
Also you'll find that
there's a downside to money
00:51:25.37\00:51:28.09
and we're gonna be
talking about this topic
00:51:28.77\00:51:29.74
again next weekend, by the way,
00:51:29.75\00:51:30.72
you maybe the very
hosting with me I hope
00:51:32.56\00:51:34.22
that's
possibility. Do my pleasure.
00:51:34.23\00:51:36.36
Okay, well then
we start on this,
00:51:36.37\00:51:37.53
I'm gonna have
you next week with me.
00:51:37.54\00:51:38.80
Money also sadly
enough is the heart beast the
00:51:39.51\00:51:42.51
love of money, by
the way I want to mention
00:51:42.52\00:51:44.54
there's a young man
by the name of Anthony
00:51:44.55\00:51:46.28
in Australia, I'll ask
this question and he says,
00:51:46.29\00:51:47.94
my wife and I have
been having problems
00:51:48.97\00:51:50.65
about money, she
doesn't like the way I use
00:51:50.66\00:51:53.44
the credit cards, she
said that money is the root
00:51:53.45\00:51:55.70
of all evil, how can
you help us get past these
00:51:55.71\00:51:58.11
money issues. Well
money is not the root of
00:51:58.12\00:52:00.43
all evil, but the
Bible tells us in First
00:52:00.44\00:52:01.88
Timothy 6 and
verse 10: The, love of,
00:52:01.89\00:52:04.60
love of it. Yes,
yes. So, there are people
00:52:04.84\00:52:07.77
doing time in jail for
ripping off a bank. Yeah.
00:52:07.78\00:52:11.02
That they thought they
were getting away with,
00:52:11.45\00:52:12.56
but they left a fingerprint,
00:52:13.51\00:52:14.53
or DNA or picture or an address,
00:52:15.14\00:52:17.48
holding this is card
and the love of money is
00:52:17.74\00:52:21.15
behind many of the
crimes committed in our
00:52:21.16\00:52:24.03
world today. Yeah,
one of the things we have
00:52:24.04\00:52:25.99
listed is that it, it
can be used to accomplish
00:52:26.00\00:52:27.97
good. So money, per
say it's not a bad thing.
00:52:27.98\00:52:30.86
No. And, as pastors,
you know we've counseled
00:52:30.87\00:52:33.93
people and a lot of
marriages have certainly
00:52:33.94\00:52:36.91
been strained and
broken up over how money
00:52:36.92\00:52:39.19
is spend. That's
right. It's very important;
00:52:39.20\00:52:41.14
it's not
something to take lightly.
00:52:41.15\00:52:42.64
Excuse me. Because
again what we spend our
00:52:43.92\00:52:45.94
money on pretty much
says what's going on in,
00:52:45.95\00:52:48.36
in our head. As just
the Bible mentions it so
00:52:48.37\00:52:50.88
often, so frequently
then it something that
00:52:51.49\00:52:53.73
Christians ought to be aware of,
00:52:53.92\00:52:55.40
they are to dedicate
to the Lord and before
00:52:55.75\00:52:57.48
we start even
un-patch, un-packaging our
00:52:57.49\00:53:00.71
Bible study, we need
to say that this is an
00:53:00.72\00:53:03.26
area that should really
ought to take to the Lord.
00:53:03.27\00:53:05.79
Every dime, not
just the 10% as we return
00:53:06.20\00:53:08.27
to God, but the 90%
that the Lord allows you
00:53:08.28\00:53:10.85
to have you ought to
pray Lord how shall I
00:53:10.86\00:53:12.80
spend this to?
That's right. Everything you
00:53:12.81\00:53:14.27
want you shouldn't
buy, everything you see
00:53:14.28\00:53:15.92
you shouldn't want.
And if you're married you
00:53:15.93\00:53:19.45
really need to
dialogue with your spouse on
00:53:19.46\00:53:22.08
how money is spent
because that kind of strain
00:53:22.09\00:53:23.84
can separate people
and tear marriages apart.
00:53:23.85\00:53:26.04
Well, people
get, people get I-ray,
00:53:26.18\00:53:27.80
I mean people that say,
I will, I do at the altar,
00:53:27.81\00:53:29.81
they are so googly
eyed, all of a sudden
00:53:29.82\00:53:32.11
somebody wants to
spend more than the other
00:53:32.12\00:53:34.03
and wants to
buy that they don't,
00:53:34.04\00:53:35.45
can't afford. And
especially around the
00:53:35.58\00:53:38.32
holiday seasons, whatever it is,
00:53:38.33\00:53:39.75
with thanksgiving or
Christmas or whatever
00:53:39.76\00:53:41.64
holidays it is, a
memorial day sale,
00:53:41.87\00:53:44.22
it's a memorial day
because you remember all
00:53:44.26\00:53:46.12
those bills. They will
remind you of how terrible
00:53:46.13\00:53:49.96
the Christmas was?
It's not a time of cheers,
00:53:49.97\00:53:52.57
a time of dread, yeah,
for some people they go
00:53:52.58\00:53:54.77
in debt. The worst
place to be sometimes during
00:53:54.78\00:53:58.17
the holiday
season is in the mall,
00:53:58.18\00:53:59.54
because many of
the vendors just extend
00:54:00.14\00:54:01.97
credit without
even checking. Oh! Yes.
00:54:01.98\00:54:03.48
Because they know
that you're gonna pay
00:54:03.49\00:54:04.68
that bill. People
declare bankruptcy,
00:54:04.69\00:54:07.85
sometimes a year
after and then you have
00:54:08.41\00:54:10.67
these differed
payment things, be careful.
00:54:10.68\00:54:12.58
Oh! Yeah. Be
careful friends. No interest
00:54:12.59\00:54:14.75
for 90 days as
same as cash, well wait
00:54:14.76\00:54:18.79
for 90 days and
then buy it, pay for it.
00:54:18.80\00:54:21.87
Save your money
and then pay for cash.
00:54:21.88\00:54:23.82
No interest for 18
months, but what they
00:54:24.23\00:54:27.01
don't tell you is that
the end of the 18 months
00:54:27.02\00:54:28.87
all that interest that
you could have avoided,
00:54:28.88\00:54:31.53
if you have had paid
it before the 18 months
00:54:31.54\00:54:32.92
came instantly
compounded, it's back there
00:54:32.93\00:54:35.22
waiting for you and
you miss that 18 month
00:54:35.23\00:54:36.90
of grace period,
right, boom 18 months of
00:54:36.91\00:54:39.16
interest just
bounded on you again.
00:54:39.17\00:54:40.68
Yeah, this goes back to what we,
00:54:40.69\00:54:42.14
we talked about a
little bit ago, this idea of,
00:54:42.30\00:54:44.21
of the celebration of Christmas,
00:54:44.22\00:54:45.63
don't get yourself into
this must have scenario,
00:54:45.96\00:54:50.30
the only thing you
must have is Jesus.
00:54:50.47\00:54:52.02
That's right.
Good luck with that.
00:54:52.03\00:54:53.00
If you get a little
something under the tree,
00:54:53.81\00:54:55.50
praise the Lord, if
you don't have a tree,
00:54:55.77\00:54:57.52
praise the Lord. That's right,
00:54:57.93\00:54:58.90
if you have a
gift, praise the Lord,
00:54:58.91\00:55:00.52
if you don't have a
gift, you praise the Lord
00:55:00.80\00:55:02.36
anyway, anyway
because you've got Jesus.
00:55:02.37\00:55:04.31
And Jesus is all you
really need. That's right.
00:55:04.52\00:55:06.77
Yeah. If you have
life you've got to gift.
00:55:06.78\00:55:09.76
Amen. There are those today and,
00:55:09.77\00:55:11.82
by the way my
wife sometimes say,
00:55:13.52\00:55:14.71
well honey what do you
want for your birthday?
00:55:14.72\00:55:16.54
And I said you
know, honey I really don't
00:55:16.99\00:55:18.42
need anything more, I
mean I, I feel comfortable
00:55:18.62\00:55:21.31
with what I have.
Now, when we think about
00:55:21.32\00:55:24.17
the wants,
sometimes our wants supersede
00:55:24.45\00:55:27.85
our needs. And the
Lord promised to supply
00:55:27.86\00:55:30.39
all of our need
according to his riches.
00:55:30.40\00:55:32.69
Yeah. Every now and
then had thrown a want,
00:55:32.81\00:55:34.59
yeah, if he sees it
doesn't hinder our walk
00:55:34.60\00:55:36.54
with him. When,
when is your birthday?
00:55:36.55\00:55:37.52
July 30th. Yeah,
my birthday was just
00:55:37.94\00:55:39.56
last week. That's
right. And you didn't get me
00:55:39.57\00:55:41.81
a present. Oh!
But I love you anyway.
00:55:41.82\00:55:44.20
Come on over, I'll
give something larger on
00:55:45.32\00:55:47.05
Sabbath. And I just
say to that say, you know,
00:55:47.06\00:55:49.47
we get hung upon
these traditions and these
00:55:50.05\00:55:51.21
things are not important. Right.
00:55:51.22\00:55:52.39
What we, what we need is Jesus?
00:55:53.15\00:55:54.90
That's right. And if
we can share Jesus we're,
00:55:54.94\00:55:56.52
we're sharing all
that we need. So, friends,
00:55:56.53\00:55:58.77
remember that, don't
let money ignite division
00:55:58.78\00:56:01.00
in your family. A
children nowadays,
00:56:01.01\00:56:03.68
well children
always spoiled I mean I,
00:56:04.43\00:56:06.75
I may have been spoiled
probably to some degree,
00:56:07.10\00:56:10.60
but I was raised by
a man who told me the
00:56:10.85\00:56:12.55
word no. And so,
I got used to it.
00:56:12.56\00:56:14.48
No, don't ask, no.
But there are children
00:56:15.65\00:56:19.01
nowadays that say
they have to have,
00:56:19.02\00:56:21.49
I have to have the
latest pair of tennis shoes.
00:56:21.96\00:56:25.24
I have to have
the latest cell phone,
00:56:25.78\00:56:27.78
I mean I can't have
just the cell phone that
00:56:28.05\00:56:29.81
receives phone calls,
I've got to get one that
00:56:29.82\00:56:31.90
has a camera, I've
got to get one that and as
00:56:31.91\00:56:34.99
able to download
music. Yeah. You know,
00:56:35.00\00:56:37.30
they said this
morning on the news,
00:56:37.31\00:56:39.00
one of the reasons
why the people in Iraq
00:56:39.34\00:56:41.00
and you maybe
watching this from Iraq,
00:56:41.07\00:56:42.50
I don't know we've,
we've got receive some
00:56:42.51\00:56:44.32
emails, I won't to
tell you where they come
00:56:44.33\00:56:45.43
from, but in the
Middle east and some of these
00:56:45.44\00:56:46.72
Muslim
countries. One person says,
00:56:46.73\00:56:49.02
one of the
indications that Iraq is doing a
00:56:49.03\00:56:51.41
lot better than used
to, is that before the
00:56:51.42\00:56:54.63
Iraq and before the
American invasion Iraq
00:56:54.64\00:56:56.97
only 6% of the
society owned cell phones.
00:56:57.52\00:57:00.80
Since, America has
enraged in Iraq 62% now
00:57:01.45\00:57:04.88
own cell phones.
Now, whether that's a
00:57:04.89\00:57:07.13
good thing or bad
thing I don't know, yeah,
00:57:07.14\00:57:09.34
but if you have to
pay a phone bill, that may
00:57:09.35\00:57:12.22
not be the greatest
blessing. So, friends,
00:57:12.23\00:57:14.76
as you notice today,
we're just beginning to
00:57:14.77\00:57:16.23
unpack this story,
yeah, this subject on money
00:57:16.24\00:57:18.88
and we're gonna
dive into it next week.
00:57:18.89\00:57:20.24
This is gonna be fun.
About how important it
00:57:20.25\00:57:22.43
is to be stewards of
what God has entrusted
00:57:22.44\00:57:24.21
to you, because you
know what you know, what?
00:57:24.22\00:57:25.50
Nothings worst
than a bro person,
00:57:25.69\00:57:27.63
but even worst than
that is a person who is
00:57:28.31\00:57:29.96
devoid of the
presence of Christ in our life.
00:57:29.97\00:57:31.92
If you don't have
money you can get that,
00:57:31.93\00:57:33.66
but if you don't
have Jesus everything else
00:57:34.10\00:57:35.93
pales into insignificance.
So, here at House
00:57:36.34\00:57:38.10
Calls remember
housecalls@3abn.org
00:57:38.11\00:57:40.75
if you want to send a question,
00:57:40.76\00:57:41.83
but friends, go to your Bible,
00:57:42.24\00:57:43.89
see what the Lord
says about money and
00:57:43.99\00:57:45.69
then sit down with your husband,
00:57:45.70\00:57:47.63
your wife, your
children and let them know
00:57:47.64\00:57:49.54
that there is a
tremendous blessing waiting
00:57:49.55\00:57:51.05
for them. Until
we see you again,
00:57:51.06\00:57:52.51
may the Lord
bless you and begin that
00:57:53.15\00:57:54.83
by having a great
day in Christ today.
00:57:54.84\00:57:57.48