Hello, friends, grab your Bible and a friend 00:00:01.01\00:00:02.89 and sit back as we explore God's word 00:00:02.90\00:00:04.95 together on this edition of House calls. 00:00:04.96\00:00:08.17 Welcome to another edition of House calls, 00:00:23.02\00:00:25.33 and you guessed it. That's John. I'm John. 00:00:25.34\00:00:29.12 And this-- this is the program. 00:00:29.13\00:00:31.85 If you have a Bible, this is the program 00:00:31.86\00:00:34.34 that you should be watching every time it comes on. 00:00:34.35\00:00:36.66 This is the book and thank you for tuning into 00:00:36.67\00:00:39.46 what we believe is one of the best Bible programs, 00:00:39.47\00:00:42.31 I made a mistake, the best Bible program 00:00:42.32\00:00:45.55 on the television right now. 00:00:45.56\00:00:46.96 That's why you're watching it. 00:00:46.97\00:00:48.12 Thank you for tuning into 3ABN and my name is John 00:00:48.13\00:00:50.62 and you are also John. 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Father in heaven, 00:01:18.09\00:01:19.39 we are so thankful for an opportunity from week 00:01:19.40\00:01:21.90 to week to study Your word, to open up Your truth. 00:01:21.91\00:01:25.85 And Lord, we're talking about faith, 00:01:25.86\00:01:27.41 we need faith and part of why we are getting together 00:01:27.42\00:01:31.80 here in these few programs is to 00:01:31.81\00:01:34.61 strengthen our faith and our trust in You. 00:01:34.62\00:01:37.04 So, Lord, as we exercise that faith today, 00:01:37.05\00:01:39.33 we pray for your Holy Spirit to come dwell here, 00:01:39.34\00:01:41.87 within us, and to lead us to where You want us to go 00:01:41.88\00:01:44.99 as we look in faith to Jesus, our Lord and Savior. 00:01:45.00\00:01:48.74 We thank You for His presence here today. 00:01:48.75\00:01:50.75 In Jesus name, amen. 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I thank God for your program. 00:03:16.59\00:03:18.93 Thank you very much. He's saying, he looked 00:03:18.94\00:03:21.69 at Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1, Proverbs 8:22-30. 00:03:21.70\00:03:29.27 I believe in the Holy trinity and Holiness of Jesus. 00:03:29.28\00:03:33.79 However, was Jesus brought into the God 00:03:33.80\00:03:35.98 head at some point in eternity past? 00:03:35.99\00:03:40.34 And so the question is, you know, and I think 00:03:40.35\00:03:42.61 we feel other types of this question which is, you know, 00:03:42.62\00:03:46.34 "Was Jesus' created by God, by the Father? 00:03:46.35\00:03:49.69 You know, in fact, sometimes the begotten-- 00:03:49.70\00:03:53.73 the word begotten is turned into 00:03:53.74\00:03:55.34 the creation of Jesus at some point in time. 00:03:55.35\00:03:57.95 We'll look at that here in just a minute 00:03:57.96\00:03:59.69 but let's read first of all, 00:03:59.70\00:04:01.23 Colossians 1 verses 15 through 17. 00:04:01.24\00:04:05.57 We'll pick up both verses on either side of 16. 00:04:05.58\00:04:08.69 It says, "He is the image of the invisible God, 00:04:08.70\00:04:11.99 the firstborn over all creation. 00:04:12.00\00:04:14.95 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven 00:04:14.96\00:04:18.98 and that are on earth, visible and invisible, 00:04:18.99\00:04:22.69 whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, 00:04:22.70\00:04:26.94 all things were created through Him and for Him. 00:04:26.95\00:04:29.82 And He is before all things." He's before what? 00:04:29.83\00:04:33.38 All things. All things and in Him all things consist. 00:04:33.39\00:04:37.54 All right, so a couple of things in here and it's 00:04:37.55\00:04:40.33 important to read these things 00:04:40.34\00:04:41.63 in their proper context. 00:04:41.64\00:04:43.01 What this passage is saying is that, 00:04:43.02\00:04:46.00 Jesus is the firstborn over all creation. 00:04:46.01\00:04:51.20 Now some would say, okay, that means He was born. 00:04:51.21\00:04:53.79 You know, you have to understand that firstborn 00:04:53.80\00:04:56.26 doesn't mean born or created. 00:04:56.27\00:04:59.05 Firstborn means, first in line, in other words 00:04:59.06\00:05:02.10 the one that is over all, in charge of all. 00:05:02.11\00:05:05.42 That's the idea of the first born in the Old Testament. 00:05:05.43\00:05:08.60 The first born was always the one that received what? 00:05:08.61\00:05:11.33 The inheritance. Right? That's right. 00:05:11.34\00:05:12.78 He was in charge of everything. 00:05:12.79\00:05:14.11 He was given charge over everything. 00:05:14.12\00:05:15.94 And so in that context, Jesus is the one 00:05:15.95\00:05:20.11 that did all the creating. 00:05:20.12\00:05:21.89 He's the one that holds things 00:05:21.90\00:05:23.39 together in which they consist. 00:05:23.40\00:05:25.41 He's also the one that is in charge over all creation. 00:05:25.42\00:05:29.19 I think another verse, in fact, 00:05:29.20\00:05:30.80 maybe you can find this one, John. 00:05:30.81\00:05:32.18 It says that, He's first born and that 00:05:32.19\00:05:34.03 He's preeminent over all creation. 00:05:34.04\00:05:36.76 It's speaking of His preeminence 00:05:36.77\00:05:38.20 not that he was actually born. 00:05:38.21\00:05:40.48 But in another verse that I think gives some 00:05:40.49\00:05:42.60 real help here in this topic is to whether or not 00:05:42.61\00:05:45.35 Jesus was created at some point or brought into 00:05:45.36\00:05:48.17 the eternity and given His Godness, 00:05:48.18\00:05:49.89 which we do not believe the Bible describes too. 00:05:49.90\00:05:52.51 No. Is John Chapter 1? 00:05:52.52\00:05:55.88 And so we'll turn here quickly to John Chapter 1 00:05:55.89\00:06:00.93 and I'll just read a couple of verses here for you. 00:06:00.94\00:06:05.19 Verse--verses 1 and actually let's do 1 through 3. 00:06:05.20\00:06:10.57 Okay. In the beginning was the Word, 00:06:10.58\00:06:13.18 now the Word is capitalized there 00:06:13.19\00:06:14.77 denoting that it's speaking of Jesus. 00:06:14.78\00:06:17.78 So it's the name Word not the written word 00:06:17.79\00:06:22.77 but the name Word, and the Word was with God, 00:06:22.78\00:06:27.15 and the Word was God. 00:06:27.16\00:06:29.36 He was in the beginning with whom? 00:06:29.37\00:06:31.89 God. With God. All things were made through Him 00:06:31.90\00:06:35.25 and without Him nothing was made that was made. 00:06:35.26\00:06:39.97 So another words, there's two things 00:06:39.98\00:06:42.72 we can gather from this. 00:06:42.73\00:06:44.33 He was in the very beginning with God. 00:06:44.34\00:06:46.30 In other words, there was no time that He was 00:06:46.31\00:06:48.02 brought into the God head. Okay? 00:06:48.03\00:06:50.76 Pretty, pretty clear on that one, John? 00:06:50.77\00:06:52.86 Oh, I'm very clear on that. 00:06:52.87\00:06:53.94 He was in the beginning with God. 00:06:53.95\00:06:54.98 In other words as the God had comprised as three, 00:06:54.99\00:06:59.68 three beings or individual personalities of God, 00:06:59.69\00:07:03.85 yet, is comprising one God in purpose. 00:07:03.86\00:07:08.69 Jesus from the very beginning was part 00:07:08.70\00:07:10.64 of that a triune God, that God head that 00:07:10.65\00:07:13.77 existed from the beginning. 00:07:13.78\00:07:14.80 But secondly notice it says here that, 00:07:14.81\00:07:17.44 nothing was made that was made, 00:07:17.45\00:07:19.79 that didn't come through Him. 00:07:19.80\00:07:22.43 In other words before anything was created 00:07:22.44\00:07:25.38 in the universe, what happened? Nothing. 00:07:25.39\00:07:30.38 So God, Jesus was there in the God head 00:07:30.39\00:07:33.41 from the very beginning, you know, it's hard-- 00:07:33.42\00:07:35.89 it's a hard concept to grasp for us who are 00:07:35.90\00:07:39.60 created beings that anything would have 00:07:39.61\00:07:42.66 an eternal existence into the past. 00:07:42.67\00:07:45.00 But this is exactly what has--what the Bible 00:07:45.01\00:07:47.52 is telling us that God has always existed and Jesus 00:07:47.53\00:07:51.72 is clearly identified in this passage as being with 00:07:51.73\00:07:54.80 the God head that has always existed. 00:07:54.81\00:07:57.37 So I can't find anyway around that but to say 00:07:57.38\00:08:00.59 God and Jesus in no way 00:08:00.60\00:08:02.68 was created at any point in time. 00:08:02.69\00:08:04.98 Now this idea kind of came back, if you want to 00:08:04.99\00:08:09.20 kind of put it to a point in time came through 00:08:09.21\00:08:10.95 the Arianism kind of a perspective 00:08:10.96\00:08:13.47 where Jesus was a created being. 00:08:13.48\00:08:15.26 And so I recognized that some 00:08:15.27\00:08:16.69 denominations actually hold to that. 00:08:16.70\00:08:18.57 I won't name them out of respect, but it is important 00:08:18.58\00:08:21.37 to understand that in Christian orthodoxy, 00:08:21.38\00:08:23.55 in the standard of Christianity, 00:08:23.56\00:08:25.29 as we understand it, Jesus was not 00:08:25.30\00:08:27.68 a created being nor has He ever been 00:08:27.69\00:08:29.12 a created being, He is God fully. 00:08:29.13\00:08:31.78 Right. And, you know, the problem with that concept, 00:08:31.79\00:08:33.53 John, is or the problem as I speak to our audience is 00:08:33.54\00:08:38.43 if He's not the creator, He is the created. 00:08:38.44\00:08:43.21 He can't be both. That's right. 00:08:43.22\00:08:45.46 I can't be the-- I cannot be the-- 00:08:45.47\00:08:51.29 if a mother gives a baby life, the mother 00:08:51.30\00:08:55.25 can't also be the baby. Follow me carefully. 00:08:55.26\00:08:59.39 Yes. The mother procreates. 00:08:59.40\00:09:03.42 In the context of Jesus, the Bible says in that text, 00:09:03.43\00:09:09.59 I was gonna stop you there for a brief moment 00:09:09.60\00:09:11.62 because it reads so powerfully when we just 00:09:11.63\00:09:15.56 consider what it says in First John, 00:09:15.57\00:09:17.66 sorry in John 1 and verse 3. 00:09:17.67\00:09:19.78 It says, all things were made through Him. 00:09:19.79\00:09:23.54 King James says, by Him and without Him 00:09:23.55\00:09:27.06 nothing was made that was made. 00:09:27.07\00:09:29.86 What was made before Him? What was made without Him? 00:09:29.87\00:09:33.39 Nothing. Nothing. 00:09:33.40\00:09:34.80 That means not even any other created being. 00:09:34.81\00:09:40.12 So if all things were made by Him. 00:09:40.13\00:09:43.68 It means, He wasn't made and then other things were made. 00:09:43.69\00:09:46.78 It says, all things were made by Him. 00:09:46.79\00:09:48.82 The mystery of the God head is this. 00:09:48.83\00:09:53.45 All powerful, all knowing, ever present but also 00:09:53.46\00:10:00.28 always existing and that is something 00:10:00.29\00:10:03.18 that men have tried to put into a bottle. 00:10:03.19\00:10:06.25 We've tried to find a way to, okay, 00:10:06.26\00:10:08.04 but we know that they had to have a start somewhere. 00:10:08.05\00:10:11.65 Well, surely we know that but you have to come 00:10:11.66\00:10:14.21 to grips that John 1 goes further 00:10:14.22\00:10:16.57 back than Genesis Chapter 1. 00:10:16.58\00:10:18.88 Hebrews 1 goes back farther than Genesis Chapter 1. 00:10:18.89\00:10:23.13 These are books telling you how was 00:10:23.14\00:10:24.69 even before the world was created. 00:10:24.70\00:10:26.28 So in the beginning was the Word, 00:10:26.29\00:10:27.85 the Word was with God, the Word was God. 00:10:27.86\00:10:29.66 That's just how it is, simply. 00:10:29.67\00:10:31.74 And for us to try to determine, well, 00:10:31.75\00:10:33.73 some where along the way Jesus had to come in. 00:10:33.74\00:10:36.17 What John was saying a moment ago 00:10:36.18\00:10:37.47 is when the phrase, the first begotten of God 00:10:37.48\00:10:39.66 is in the same context as the Bible used about David. 00:10:39.67\00:10:43.23 Now David wasn't, 00:10:43.24\00:10:45.84 David wasn't the first born at all. 00:10:45.85\00:10:47.44 He was the youngest of all of his brothers. 00:10:47.45\00:10:48.87 Yet, he was referred to as the first born. Why? 00:10:48.88\00:10:52.52 Because of the position that God put him in. 00:10:52.53\00:10:55.65 David, he was the youngest, but he was 00:10:55.66\00:10:59.43 referred to as the first born. 00:10:59.44\00:11:01.06 How could the youngest be the first born? 00:11:01.07\00:11:02.82 The oldest is the first born. 00:11:02.83\00:11:04.26 But in the same context, preeminence. 00:11:04.27\00:11:05.80 That's what you're talking about preeminence. 00:11:05.81\00:11:07.21 God put him in a position to inherit all things 00:11:07.22\00:11:09.63 that the Father passed down to him. 00:11:09.64\00:11:11.53 So that's the context that Jesus has spoken of. 00:11:11.54\00:11:13.79 And in Colossians, when he's speaking about Jesus, 00:11:13.80\00:11:15.66 he's speaking about Jesus in his earthly context. 00:11:15.67\00:11:19.17 Firstborn over all creation. He is the preeminent one. 00:11:19.18\00:11:21.61 He is the one that created all things. 00:11:21.62\00:11:23.78 So He comes to redeem His creation. 00:11:23.79\00:11:25.98 You don't send-- you don't send another-- 00:11:25.99\00:11:30.01 I want to try to make this as human as I can 00:11:30.02\00:11:31.79 and as easiest as I can, but the problem is 00:11:31.80\00:11:33.43 you kind of break divinity down. 00:11:33.44\00:11:34.93 I have a couple of more texts 00:11:34.94\00:11:35.91 I'm gonna share with you. 00:11:35.92\00:11:37.04 But unless there's something wrong, 00:11:37.05\00:11:41.82 this is probably not the best example 00:11:41.83\00:11:42.86 so bear with me. 00:11:42.87\00:11:43.87 A mother has the most joy of being the first one 00:11:48.27\00:11:51.93 to hold her baby, unless you decide 00:11:51.94\00:11:54.46 to give that child up to another woman. 00:11:54.47\00:11:56.92 It is often said and I've-- you know, I'm a guy, 00:11:56.93\00:11:59.39 I don't know this is true or not, but it is said 00:11:59.40\00:12:01.99 the first bond that is made is 00:12:02.00\00:12:03.39 when a mother holds her child. Okay? 00:12:03.40\00:12:06.32 In the very same context, the creator, 00:12:06.33\00:12:09.80 the greatest bond is the one who brings 00:12:09.81\00:12:12.64 the creation into existence. 00:12:12.65\00:12:14.79 Jesus the procreate-- Jesus the creator 00:12:14.80\00:12:17.58 brings us into existence. 00:12:17.59\00:12:19.09 So there's no other person between us and He. 00:12:19.10\00:12:21.73 There's only one--that's it. That's Him. 00:12:21.74\00:12:24.17 But if you think about his preexistence, 00:12:24.18\00:12:26.95 He even addressed that question in John Chapter 17. 00:12:26.96\00:12:30.86 Jesus said, speaking to His Father, 00:12:30.87\00:12:34.08 and now, O, Father, glorify Me together 00:12:34.09\00:12:37.65 with Yourself, with the glory, 00:12:37.66\00:12:39.81 which I had with You before the world was. 00:12:39.82\00:12:44.36 And somebody may say, well, I know that's what it says, 00:12:44.37\00:12:46.04 but then maybe He was created before the world. 00:12:46.05\00:12:48.57 Undoubtedly Jesus existed before the world. 00:12:48.58\00:12:51.07 But there's another text here in Isaiah, 00:12:51.08\00:12:54.93 'cause Isaiah speaks of the preexistence of God. 00:12:54.94\00:12:57.31 You know, sometimes people think that, 00:12:57.32\00:12:58.94 sorry the preexistence of Jesus, who in fact, 00:12:58.95\00:13:00.90 is God, had He not been so, 00:13:00.91\00:13:03.30 the Jews would've been, in fact telling the truth. 00:13:03.31\00:13:06.22 When they said, you being a man, consider yourself God. 00:13:06.23\00:13:10.65 That's blasphemy. Well, Jesus made it very clear. 00:13:10.66\00:13:13.08 Well, if I'm not God, you're in trouble. 00:13:13.09\00:13:15.55 Right. He didn't say it that way. That's right. 00:13:15.56\00:13:18.13 Let me go ahead and make this point 00:13:18.14\00:13:19.47 here in Isaiah 44 and verse 6, 00:13:19.48\00:13:23.01 and I'm reading from the new King James Version. 00:13:23.02\00:13:24.92 And the Bible speaks of the Father 00:13:24.93\00:13:28.58 and the Son in this wise. 00:13:28.59\00:13:30.95 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel 00:13:30.96\00:13:35.78 and His redeemer the Lord of hosts. 00:13:35.79\00:13:41.01 Who's saying? Both of them are saying. 00:13:41.02\00:13:42.62 The Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, 00:13:42.63\00:13:45.82 the Lord of hosts, I'm the first, and I'm the last, 00:13:45.83\00:13:50.11 besides me there is no God, singular. 00:13:50.12\00:13:54.32 So the Father and the Son are spoken of here as one. 00:13:54.33\00:13:58.49 And you find clearly when Genesis brings them 00:13:58.50\00:14:01.23 into different categories. 00:14:01.24\00:14:02.44 When Genesis began to understand, 00:14:02.45\00:14:04.20 help us understand that, yes they are one, 00:14:04.21\00:14:07.25 but they are three at the same time. 00:14:07.26\00:14:09.56 And this mystery has been one that men have 00:14:09.57\00:14:11.83 with futility tried to make clear. 00:14:11.84\00:14:14.70 So what we do is just go as far as the Bible 00:14:14.71\00:14:17.73 allows us to go and simply say, this is a mystery 00:14:17.74\00:14:20.50 that we will understand even more clearly, 00:14:20.51\00:14:23.14 when we are before the Father and before the Son. 00:14:23.15\00:14:25.69 Bottom line for me is, He is my redeemer. 00:14:25.70\00:14:29.21 He is my Lord. He is my savior. 00:14:29.22\00:14:30.85 He created all things, 00:14:30.86\00:14:32.67 and He recreates us into His image. 00:14:32.68\00:14:35.73 That's the most important thing to me. 00:14:35.74\00:14:37.46 And to suggest that God, the Father 00:14:37.47\00:14:41.22 would have created Jesus and then 00:14:41.23\00:14:43.75 at some point given him his Godness-- 00:14:43.76\00:14:46.53 Right. Is, is simply speculation 00:14:46.54\00:14:50.45 and far reaching speculation with that because 00:14:50.46\00:14:53.29 to suggest that, the very element of God 00:14:53.30\00:14:56.62 and who He is, is His eternalness. 00:14:56.63\00:14:58.76 Okay. We can't have deity without eternity. 00:14:58.77\00:15:02.94 So you can't give Christ, He's God standing. 00:15:02.95\00:15:08.82 Either He's God and He's always existed 00:15:08.83\00:15:11.57 or He's not God, and there's only two ways about. 00:15:11.58\00:15:15.05 And to suggest that there's this somehow 00:15:15.06\00:15:17.26 He receives his Godness or He's brought into, 00:15:17.27\00:15:19.54 you know, the God head at some point is just 00:15:19.55\00:15:22.64 not even from--is beyond the realm of possibility. 00:15:22.65\00:15:25.24 Nor does-- and the Bible say anything 00:15:25.25\00:15:27.61 or suggest anything about that. 00:15:27.62\00:15:29.42 The other thing to is kind of-- just I'll add to this. 00:15:29.43\00:15:33.01 I know it's not part of the question, John, 00:15:33.02\00:15:34.41 is that it's only most who deal in or believe 00:15:34.42\00:15:40.47 in this respect about Christ that somehow 00:15:40.48\00:15:42.76 He was created at some point or given his Godness 00:15:42.77\00:15:45.23 or something happened there also believe that 00:15:45.24\00:15:49.68 the Holy Spirit is not a person of the God head. 00:15:49.69\00:15:52.13 Right. These are package deals here 00:15:52.14\00:15:55.05 and there're different veins or roads kind of 00:15:55.06\00:15:59.30 and conclusions that people go on. 00:15:59.31\00:16:01.10 But a lot of times, it's a reaction to not wanting 00:16:01.11\00:16:05.63 to accept the Godhead as three in one 00:16:05.64\00:16:09.92 or the trinity so to speak. 00:16:09.93\00:16:11.93 And I would say the trinity because there's 00:16:11.94\00:16:13.68 this baggage that comes with it, well. 00:16:13.69\00:16:15.60 Somehow that's a concept of the Roman Catholic Church, 00:16:15.61\00:16:20.48 the papacy, so we need to stay away from that. 00:16:20.49\00:16:22.10 That's their thing, the trinity. 00:16:22.11\00:16:23.63 But now actually if you look back at how 00:16:23.64\00:16:26.33 that whole thing came into being, it was very much 00:16:26.34\00:16:29.28 as a result of scripture reading, 00:16:29.29\00:16:31.65 and an established truth the churches have accepted 00:16:31.66\00:16:34.24 as orthodoxy for many, many years, 00:16:34.25\00:16:36.25 not only Rome but the reformers. 00:16:36.26\00:16:39.82 So you have to be very careful when you tread on 00:16:39.83\00:16:42.17 this ground especially when it comes to God. 00:16:42.18\00:16:44.07 Because it is something that is not easily understood 00:16:44.08\00:16:47.45 and I like what you're saying John, 00:16:47.46\00:16:48.80 there when you say, we can only go 00:16:48.81\00:16:50.15 as far as the Bible will tell us. 00:16:50.16\00:16:51.74 Right. To make speculation beyond that point, 00:16:51.75\00:16:54.56 I believe frankly, is kind of dangerous ground. 00:16:54.57\00:16:56.83 So-- Yeah. It is. 00:16:56.84\00:16:58.65 I'm not sure we can spend a lot of time on that. 00:16:58.66\00:17:00.20 I can see our time is slipping away 00:17:00.21\00:17:01.59 fairly quickly as far as our question time but-- 00:17:01.60\00:17:03.69 The last one. Go ahead. 00:17:03.70\00:17:04.72 The last point of this Hebrews 1 because you 00:17:04.73\00:17:06.80 mentioned this and it brought, 00:17:06.81\00:17:07.78 it brought this thought to my mind. 00:17:07.79\00:17:09.37 Yeah. I've got it here with verse 8. 00:17:09.38\00:17:11.18 Okay. Why don't you read that? 00:17:11.19\00:17:14.09 But to the son, He, that is the Father, 00:17:14.10\00:17:16.54 God says, your throne, O God is forever and ever. 00:17:16.55\00:17:22.32 So he refers to Jesus as God and immediately, 00:17:22.33\00:17:25.75 like we said deity without eternity, 00:17:25.76\00:17:27.51 that's an impossibility. 00:17:27.52\00:17:28.99 He ascribes God that is Jesus to a eternity past. 00:17:29.00\00:17:34.58 Right. Point very well, very well, made. 00:17:34.59\00:17:39.48 Now I have a question here, from a gentleman. 00:17:39.49\00:17:43.57 I like his name, sounds like he's from France. 00:17:43.58\00:17:47.28 Jean Pierre that name is so common. I mentioned-- 00:17:47.29\00:17:51.15 I don't usually mention full names, 00:17:51.16\00:17:52.75 but I just had to get the roll, Jean Pierre. 00:17:52.76\00:17:56.43 You, I like the way he spelled you, Y-U. 00:17:56.44\00:17:59.88 Yeah, I agree with that. Why waste another letter? 00:17:59.89\00:18:02.76 Y-U. Y-U are my favorite preachers with Pentecost. 00:18:02.77\00:18:08.46 I'm Jean Pierre. Wow. From Cairo, Egypt. 00:18:08.47\00:18:14.28 Yeah. Praise the Lord. Welcome Egypt. 00:18:14.29\00:18:18.12 And wow. That's great. 00:18:18.13\00:18:22.94 On one hand, some preachers taught-- 00:18:22.95\00:18:27.50 this is the question he had. 00:18:27.51\00:18:28.60 Who are the five king--five kingdoms that had fallen? 00:18:28.61\00:18:32.62 On one hand, some preachers taught that those 00:18:32.63\00:18:35.08 kingdoms are the empires that opposed the Lord. 00:18:35.09\00:18:38.40 So they stopped back at the time of Egypt, 00:18:38.41\00:18:42.04 Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, 00:18:42.05\00:18:44.33 Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. 00:18:44.34\00:18:46.11 On the other hand, some preachers taught 00:18:46.12\00:18:48.45 from Babylon going down to Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. 00:18:48.46\00:18:51.46 If you can send me a small text because I'm in Lebanon 00:18:51.47\00:18:57.89 now where there is no 3ABN live in my sister's house. 00:18:57.90\00:19:02.24 We gotta change that. We got to get 3ABN Lebanon. 00:19:02.25\00:19:05.11 That's right. Okay. I will surely appreciate it. 00:19:05.12\00:19:07.67 Well, I hope you're watching the program today. 00:19:07.68\00:19:09.84 We'll try to go ahead and respond by email too. 00:19:09.85\00:19:12.05 But I have--you know, John, because 00:19:12.06\00:19:14.34 this is an unfolding prophecy here, meaning 00:19:14.35\00:19:17.09 this is not one that you'll lock down 00:19:17.10\00:19:19.53 and just say okay it has no other meanings. 00:19:19.54\00:19:21.28 Instead of going to kingdoms, 00:19:21.29\00:19:23.45 I actually-- the five have fallen. 00:19:23.46\00:19:26.15 The one is, the other has not yet come. 00:19:26.16\00:19:28.23 When he comes, he must continue a short space. 00:19:28.24\00:19:30.28 I actually go to systems, 00:19:30.29\00:19:33.01 which applies to all these kingdoms. 00:19:33.02\00:19:34.73 Which apply-- it could apply to Egypt, 00:19:34.74\00:19:36.83 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, the papacy. 00:19:36.84\00:19:39.81 You could apply all the way across, 00:19:39.82\00:19:41.14 because what I see-- and let's go to Revelation. 00:19:41.15\00:19:44.47 Just to add really quick here--not just ruining 00:19:44.48\00:19:47.32 your thought here, but the suggestion there 00:19:47.33\00:19:51.02 that it would be a system is not out-- 00:19:51.03\00:19:52.84 necessarily out of the context in Revelation 17. 00:19:52.85\00:19:55.03 No, not at all. We're talking about Babylon here. 00:19:55.04\00:19:56.47 Right. So Babylon is described 00:19:56.48\00:19:59.19 as a false system of worship. 00:19:59.20\00:20:01.83 A system of worship. 00:20:01.84\00:20:03.47 So it's not out of the context here of this passage 00:20:03.48\00:20:07.98 to suggest that these that are 00:20:07.99\00:20:10.62 risen and fallen are systems. 00:20:10.63\00:20:12.32 And the point that is really important is, 00:20:12.33\00:20:15.13 we have to keep in mind when John mentions 00:20:15.14\00:20:16.90 five are fallen, John is on the island of Patmos. 00:20:16.91\00:20:19.26 So by his time, five of those systems that comprise 00:20:19.27\00:20:24.55 the seven and then the eighth comes later on. 00:20:24.56\00:20:26.70 You can't miss out the prophecy because 00:20:26.71\00:20:28.09 the prophecy actually talks about eight. 00:20:28.10\00:20:30.00 Five are fallen, and one is not yet come. 00:20:30.01\00:20:31.90 When he comes, he must continue short space. 00:20:31.91\00:20:33.91 And then it says, there's also an eighth, 00:20:33.92\00:20:35.98 who is of the seven, but he is coming 00:20:35.99\00:20:37.37 out of the bottomless pit. 00:20:37.38\00:20:39.37 So we know clearly whenever the Bible talks about 00:20:39.38\00:20:41.27 the bottomless pit, it is referring to Satan himself, 00:20:41.28\00:20:43.22 satanic activity, the one that comes 00:20:43.23\00:20:45.78 and joins them altogether. 00:20:45.79\00:20:47.19 My approach to this whole prophecy was this, 00:20:47.20\00:20:50.69 all throughout, ever since the entrance of sin, 00:20:50.70\00:20:53.26 Satan has had systems through which he has worked. 00:20:53.27\00:20:57.75 Introducing them as time has gone on. 00:20:57.76\00:21:00.38 And when we get to the end time, all of these systems 00:21:00.39\00:21:04.68 will now coalesce together in the final push 00:21:04.69\00:21:08.41 against the forces of light and the forces of truth. 00:21:08.42\00:21:12.27 Thus Babylon finally coalesces together. 00:21:12.28\00:21:15.36 The word coalesce simply means, they're all in unity. 00:21:15.37\00:21:20.29 They're all in harmony, they're ready now to put 00:21:20.30\00:21:23.45 all their forces of darkness finally against 00:21:23.46\00:21:26.12 the people of God, and then, what happens 00:21:26.13\00:21:28.53 is they all are fallen because 00:21:28.54\00:21:30.82 the topic is Babylon is fallen, is fallen. 00:21:30.83\00:21:35.58 So what happens now by the time John gets this picture, 00:21:35.59\00:21:39.62 remember now, this is a study altogether by itself. 00:21:39.63\00:21:42.79 When John begins to write on the island of Patmos 00:21:42.80\00:21:46.26 up until that point, five of the systems 00:21:46.27\00:21:48.81 of Babylon have already fallen. 00:21:48.82\00:21:50.54 He says five are fallen. 00:21:50.55\00:21:51.91 But it was not completely fallen yet. 00:21:51.92\00:21:54.31 So what I'm saying is when John wrote this 00:21:54.32\00:21:57.93 five are fallen, but Babylon was not yet completed. 00:21:57.94\00:22:00.53 That's why this is the message that's repeated 00:22:00.54\00:22:02.87 in Revelation 18, because it had to be 00:22:02.88\00:22:05.16 complete in its scope, all seven systems 00:22:05.17\00:22:08.31 before it would fall completely together. 00:22:08.32\00:22:11.15 You follow me carefully? So five by John's time 00:22:11.16\00:22:14.05 was fallen meaning they were exposed 00:22:14.06\00:22:16.32 for what they really are. 00:22:16.33\00:22:17.69 So understand this, the first system that I 00:22:17.70\00:22:21.33 suggest was introduced, which could fit 00:22:21.34\00:22:22.80 into anyone of these nations. 00:22:22.81\00:22:24.29 So it's not even getting rid of Babylon, 00:22:24.30\00:22:26.16 Medo-Persia, Egypt, Greece, Libya, Lydia. 00:22:26.17\00:22:28.17 It's not getting rid of any of those because 00:22:28.18\00:22:30.06 these systems, the first one that was introduced 00:22:30.07\00:22:32.06 at the entrance of sin was what, in the Garden of Eden? 00:22:32.07\00:22:34.95 What's the first lie told? You shall not-- 00:22:34.96\00:22:37.58 Surely, die, yeah. Okay. 00:22:37.59\00:22:38.99 What was that introduced? Spiritualism. 00:22:39.00\00:22:42.13 The first thing introduced that has been working 00:22:42.14\00:22:44.92 ever since the Garden of Eden is spiritualism. 00:22:44.93\00:22:48.28 That has-- that system has been 00:22:48.29\00:22:50.67 operating for the longest. 00:22:50.68\00:22:53.74 And so by the time John writes this prophecy, 00:22:53.75\00:22:57.61 he is in essence saying because of 00:22:57.62\00:22:59.61 the coming of Jesus, that system has been exposed. 00:22:59.62\00:23:02.60 Spiritualism has been exposed. 00:23:02.61\00:23:03.93 As a matter of fact, the way that Jesus 00:23:03.94\00:23:05.21 exposed spiritualism in his own life, 00:23:05.22\00:23:07.54 was he completely obliterated-- 00:23:07.55\00:23:09.89 by raising Lazarus, he completely obliterated 00:23:09.90\00:23:13.19 the idea that men don't really die. 00:23:13.20\00:23:17.14 Because he said to Mary, Lazarus is dead. 00:23:17.15\00:23:19.51 That's why he stayed away four days because 00:23:19.52\00:23:21.28 this whole teaching of Neo-Platonism 00:23:21.29\00:23:26.60 affected the Greek Church. 00:23:26.61\00:23:28.28 The Jews were affected by this. 00:23:28.29\00:23:29.90 And they believed that the soul took three days 00:23:29.91\00:23:33.16 to attempt to get back into the body and after 00:23:33.17\00:23:35.61 three days if it was not successful, 00:23:35.62\00:23:37.69 then he was really dead. 00:23:37.70\00:23:39.51 Jesus stayed away four days and he said this to Mary, 00:23:39.52\00:23:42.45 I'm the resurrection and the life killing spiritualism 00:23:42.46\00:23:46.87 right there because according to what 00:23:46.88\00:23:48.99 Satan says, you shall not surely die. 00:23:49.00\00:23:51.08 Jesus said to Mary, Lazarus is dead. 00:23:51.09\00:23:53.98 He said it to the disciples Lazarus is dead. 00:23:53.99\00:23:57.24 He made it clear I've come that the glory of God 00:23:57.25\00:24:00.02 may be revealed through this act of raising Lazarus. 00:24:00.03\00:24:03.00 Okay, so spiritualism was the first one. 00:24:03.01\00:24:04.89 And then you have, what happened not too long after-- 00:24:04.90\00:24:08.80 well, it doesn't actually say how long, 00:24:08.81\00:24:10.56 but the first major event to impact 00:24:10.57\00:24:12.34 our world was the flood. 00:24:12.35\00:24:14.38 What was the predominant existing system 00:24:14.39\00:24:19.01 that Satan used then? Heathenism. 00:24:19.02\00:24:22.81 I mean you look at Genesis, it talked about the thoughts 00:24:22.82\00:24:25.27 of men's hearts will only evil continually. 00:24:25.28\00:24:27.70 Matthew, Mark, and Luke contributes to that. 00:24:27.71\00:24:29.91 You wanna say something to this point? 00:24:29.92\00:24:30.97 I don't want to keep from-- No. Keep going. 00:24:30.98\00:24:32.68 Okay. Matthew, Mark-- see you have spiritualism, 00:24:32.69\00:24:34.63 then you have heathenism, 00:24:34.64\00:24:35.91 strong and rampant in the earth. 00:24:35.92\00:24:38.85 But then after that, you find at the tower of Babel. 00:24:38.86\00:24:43.59 There was another system introduced. 00:24:43.60\00:24:45.31 This is after the flood, which today we can commonly 00:24:45.32\00:24:48.60 refer to this system as the post flood system, 00:24:48.61\00:24:51.36 which today, I believe, 00:24:51.37\00:24:52.59 is the foundation of all atheism. 00:24:52.60\00:24:54.69 This distrust in God. We cannot trust God. 00:24:54.70\00:24:57.45 Atheism introduced there God confused the languages. 00:24:57.46\00:25:01.88 Because by the time God called Abraham, 00:25:01.89\00:25:04.59 we know that the knowledge of God was almost 00:25:04.60\00:25:06.92 obliterated from the face of the earth. 00:25:06.93\00:25:09.05 So you have spiritualism. You've heathenism. 00:25:09.06\00:25:11.39 You've atheism. But then you've something else. 00:25:11.40\00:25:15.14 Then God called that entire nation 00:25:15.15\00:25:18.12 and that nation eventually rejected Him. 00:25:18.13\00:25:20.28 Then you have Judaism. What did they leave out? 00:25:20.29\00:25:22.96 They rejected the Christ, so the Judaism today 00:25:22.97\00:25:25.35 is the system that rejects Christ. 00:25:25.36\00:25:27.26 Every one of these systems rejects Christ. 00:25:27.27\00:25:29.62 Every one of these systems put divinity 00:25:29.63\00:25:31.71 outside of that system. 00:25:31.72\00:25:33.11 Judaism accepts God, but they don't accept Jesus. 00:25:33.12\00:25:36.21 You believe in God, believe also in me. 00:25:36.22\00:25:38.19 Spiritualism, heathenism which today 00:25:38.20\00:25:40.92 is embodied in secularism. You've atheism. 00:25:40.93\00:25:43.87 You've Judaism. You've these four systems. 00:25:43.88\00:25:46.85 Then John is existing during the time of Rome. 00:25:46.86\00:25:50.20 How's Rome embody today? 00:25:50.21\00:25:53.32 How does Rome exist today? Under what system? 00:25:53.33\00:25:55.72 Papal. Papal Rome exists today. 00:25:55.73\00:25:59.26 So, John, Jesus also exposed that system. 00:25:59.27\00:26:02.78 He exposed the powers of Rome. 00:26:02.79\00:26:05.16 He made it very, very clear, I'm not connected. 00:26:05.17\00:26:07.31 My kingdom is not of this world. 00:26:07.32\00:26:09.39 So today we call that system of Rome Catholicism. 00:26:09.40\00:26:12.28 So get this, spiritualism, heathenism, 00:26:12.29\00:26:14.81 atheism, Romanism, by the time John was writing this, 00:26:14.82\00:26:17.86 those five systems have been exposed. 00:26:17.87\00:26:19.71 They have fallen already. Judaism as well. 00:26:19.72\00:26:21.81 Yeah, Judaism. But you also have, 00:26:21.82\00:26:24.87 oh, this one, I left out. 00:26:24.88\00:26:26.89 This one I left out here, which I'll-- 00:26:26.90\00:26:28.18 I'll include in just a moment here. 00:26:28.19\00:26:29.81 You've Islam also included in that. Okay. 00:26:29.82\00:26:32.77 So then you have two more coming. 00:26:32.78\00:26:35.28 You've--that are not yet here. 00:26:35.29\00:26:39.07 What came during the dark ages? 00:26:39.08\00:26:40.50 God brought back to the surface Protestantism. 00:26:40.51\00:26:43.13 We are Protestants, are we not? Okay. 00:26:43.14\00:26:45.50 But what will happen to-- what will happen to 00:26:45.51\00:26:47.45 Protestantism eventually? It will become what? 00:26:47.46\00:26:50.88 Apostate Protestantism and if you go throughout 00:26:50.89\00:26:53.59 all history-- all of human history, 00:26:53.60\00:26:55.42 you find that Protestantism--how will 00:26:55.43\00:26:58.32 Protestantism become apostate Protestantism? 00:26:58.33\00:27:01.89 Yeah. Rejects the law of God and the whole 00:27:01.90\00:27:06.54 system that He's established of truth. 00:27:06.55\00:27:08.38 As has--as had every other system, 00:27:08.39\00:27:11.19 they reject the truth about Jesus. 00:27:11.20\00:27:15.96 The truth about Jesus is rejected and then you final-- 00:27:15.97\00:27:18.88 the last one that comes, the eighth, 00:27:18.89\00:27:21.21 who comes to pull all these false systems- 00:27:21.22\00:27:23.34 spiritualism, atheism, Judaism, Islam, 00:27:23.35\00:27:28.04 Catholicism, apostate Protestantism, 00:27:28.05\00:27:30.94 who comes to put them altogether? 00:27:30.95\00:27:32.76 Revelation 17 look at that very quickly as we segue. 00:27:32.77\00:27:35.73 Revelation 17, as we segue, 00:27:35.74\00:27:40.06 all right and it says down in verse 11. 00:27:40.07\00:27:45.56 Okay, we'll start with verse 10. 00:27:45.57\00:27:47.70 These--they are also seven kings now. 00:27:47.71\00:27:50.73 Five have fallen, one is, when John was existing, 00:27:50.74\00:27:54.46 Rome was in power, one is, the other has not yet come, 00:27:54.47\00:27:58.70 Protestantism is yet to come to the surface, 00:27:58.71\00:28:02.35 when he comes, he must continue a short space. 00:28:02.36\00:28:04.68 Out of all the systems that existed, 00:28:04.69\00:28:06.43 Protestantism is the youngest. 00:28:06.44\00:28:09.48 Finally and the beast verse 11, that was, 00:28:09.49\00:28:14.56 and is not, is himself also the eighth, 00:28:14.57\00:28:17.05 and is of the seven, and is going to perdition 00:28:17.06\00:28:20.47 and then you find that what's going to happen 00:28:20.48\00:28:22.79 with all these systems, these will have one mind. 00:28:22.80\00:28:25.14 They'll have one mind because they will all 00:28:25.15\00:28:27.45 ultimately reject the truth about Christ 00:28:27.46\00:28:29.48 and they will all join together to fight against 00:28:29.49\00:28:31.88 those who embrace the truth about Christ. 00:28:31.89\00:28:34.74 Now you can apply that to Babylon, Egypt, 00:28:34.75\00:28:37.04 Libya, Persia, Rome the papal system, 00:28:37.05\00:28:40.47 you can apply that all the way across the board. 00:28:40.48\00:28:43.29 So I have a little different approach to that. 00:28:43.30\00:28:44.85 It's just my thoughts, this is not solid 00:28:44.86\00:28:47.94 doctrinal based but these are my thoughts 00:28:47.95\00:28:50.97 showing that Babylon is a complete system from 00:28:50.98\00:28:53.19 the very beginning to the very end 00:28:53.20\00:28:54.77 and so the king of all of that. 00:28:54.78\00:28:56.13 Yeah, because we don't really know definitively-- 00:28:56.14\00:28:58.32 Right. Exactly. Definitively. 00:28:58.33\00:28:59.46 This is prophecy and it's still not fully revealed 00:28:59.47\00:29:02.27 but very interesting points and I appreciate that. 00:29:02.28\00:29:05.55 It's--I think sometimes we don't think about 00:29:05.56\00:29:08.97 the entire structure of the enemy and how he's put 00:29:08.98\00:29:12.28 this thing together so beautifully 00:29:12.29\00:29:15.32 from his perspective to deceive the world 00:29:15.33\00:29:17.38 at the end of time and just having that 00:29:17.39\00:29:19.47 explain the view I think is very important. 00:29:19.48\00:29:21.47 That's a very good point, John, and on that note 00:29:21.48\00:29:24.01 we wanna say that one of the reasons why it's important 00:29:24.02\00:29:26.10 to look at the larger picture is because 00:29:26.11\00:29:29.01 individual nations rise and fall but the system 00:29:29.02\00:29:33.31 of Babylon as it will present itself from 00:29:33.32\00:29:35.38 the end time against the people of God 00:29:35.39\00:29:37.18 will be a collision that finally pulls together 00:29:37.19\00:29:41.82 all of its forces and then Babylon is fallen, 00:29:41.83\00:29:45.67 is fallen, one in the eyes of God already. 00:29:45.68\00:29:48.34 Finally, it'll fall on the eyes of man. 00:29:48.35\00:29:51.80 Well, thank you for your 00:29:51.81\00:29:52.78 questions and comments today. 00:29:52.79\00:29:54.01 We took a little bit of time on that because 00:29:54.02\00:29:55.59 that was a very rich question. 00:29:55.60\00:29:57.43 Thank you so much for that. 00:29:57.44\00:29:58.41 But if you've any more questions, 00:29:58.42\00:29:59.39 you can send those questions to housecalls@3abn.org. 00:29:59.40\00:30:03.48 That's housecalls@3abn.org and we'll try 00:30:03.49\00:30:07.71 our best to get to those questions. 00:30:07.72\00:30:09.29 But thank you for your faithfulness, your prayers, 00:30:09.30\00:30:11.30 your financial support of this program, 00:30:11.31\00:30:13.76 and also this network. 00:30:13.77\00:30:16.63 Now John, why don't you lead us into our topic today? 00:30:16.64\00:30:20.08 We started on the topic of faith, but I'll go ahead 00:30:20.09\00:30:25.59 and let you get us back into that topic, 00:30:25.60\00:30:28.01 very widely important topic. 00:30:28.02\00:30:29.27 Yeah, we've been talking about different aspects 00:30:29.28\00:30:31.33 of faith and how important it is to exercise, 00:30:31.34\00:30:34.12 to practice that faith in an active way, 00:30:34.13\00:30:37.58 not a passive way, a passive way would be 00:30:37.59\00:30:40.75 just a mental ascent to God's existence. 00:30:40.76\00:30:44.06 Right. You know, He is there. 00:30:44.07\00:30:45.50 An active faith is the day by day walk in, 00:30:45.51\00:30:48.82 in putting your trust in-- your faith in God 00:30:48.83\00:30:52.49 and holding onto Him to provide, 00:30:52.50\00:30:54.40 where you know, you can't provide for yourself-- 00:30:54.41\00:30:56.62 That's right. And your family. 00:30:56.63\00:30:57.96 And so we're gonna start looking 00:30:57.97\00:30:58.97 at the different nuances of that. 00:30:58.98\00:31:00.37 We've already kind of started with that in trouble. 00:31:00.38\00:31:03.04 You know, we saw that God 00:31:03.05\00:31:04.46 will avenge His people speedily. 00:31:04.47\00:31:06.05 We can have confidence in that. 00:31:06.06\00:31:07.64 We learnt that in the Book of Revelation it talks about 00:31:07.65\00:31:10.81 those that have faith in Jesus in response 00:31:10.82\00:31:13.56 to that question, will there be faith in the world? 00:31:13.57\00:31:15.88 The people will have faith in Jesus and they will keep 00:31:15.89\00:31:18.21 the commandments of God in conjunction with that. 00:31:18.22\00:31:20.01 So there's an obedience element to that as well. 00:31:20.02\00:31:22.08 Faith and obedience go hand in hand. 00:31:22.09\00:31:23.46 They go hand in hand. Okay. 00:31:23.47\00:31:24.74 And so now the question we kind of wanna dive into is, 00:31:24.75\00:31:29.13 under what circumstances, 00:31:29.14\00:31:31.97 will faith help us to endure? 00:31:31.98\00:31:33.91 In other words what kind of environment 00:31:33.92\00:31:35.97 are we right now in, in this world. 00:31:35.98\00:31:38.75 And, I mean, John we look around this world today 00:31:38.76\00:31:40.97 and we see tornadoes devastating, 00:31:40.98\00:31:45.12 you know, the mid west. 00:31:45.13\00:31:46.85 We see climate change and the heat 00:31:46.86\00:31:49.91 is changing a situation there. 00:31:49.92\00:31:51.42 The world seems to be falling apart in kayos. 00:31:51.43\00:31:54.87 You know, the middle of-- the Middle East crisis 00:31:54.88\00:31:56.86 and terrorism is rampant and all these things 00:31:56.87\00:32:00.82 that are happening that weren't there 10 years ago. 00:32:00.83\00:32:04.08 True. So the world has changed 00:32:04.09\00:32:06.36 significantly over the last 10 years. 00:32:06.37\00:32:09.01 We as Seventh Day Adventist pastors and Adventists 00:32:09.02\00:32:12.24 in general believe that this is a sign 00:32:12.25\00:32:14.21 that the end is imminent. 00:32:14.22\00:32:15.77 Right. And so we're looking for what's happening here. 00:32:15.78\00:32:19.51 We're very careful as, I love the words of Jesus, 00:32:19.52\00:32:22.81 He says, you know, hymn, watch and pray. 00:32:22.82\00:32:26.37 So we're watching the signs and what's happening, 00:32:26.38\00:32:28.93 but we're praying and that's a parfait. 00:32:28.94\00:32:31.68 And so although the signs are happening, 00:32:31.69\00:32:34.47 being fulfilled around us that's the environment, 00:32:34.48\00:32:36.74 you know, prayer is how we link 00:32:36.75\00:32:40.64 and trust and hope that God. 00:32:40.65\00:32:42.59 And a faith that God will deliver us and so 00:32:42.60\00:32:45.86 that's kind of what we want to dive into now. 00:32:45.87\00:32:48.12 And we'll start with Revelation 13, 00:32:48.13\00:32:50.03 I think verse 10. Okay. 00:32:50.04\00:32:52.17 It's a good place to kind of segue. All right. 00:32:52.18\00:32:56.74 And so Revelation 13 verse 10 I'll read that. 00:32:56.75\00:33:00.16 And he who leads into captivity shall go 00:33:04.52\00:33:07.35 into captivity, but who--he who kills 00:33:07.36\00:33:10.83 with the sword must be killed with the sword. 00:33:10.84\00:33:12.98 Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 00:33:12.99\00:33:17.00 So as Revelation, the Book of Revelation 00:33:17.01\00:33:19.90 is revealing this time of trouble where 00:33:19.91\00:33:24.17 the saints are keeping the commandments of God. 00:33:24.18\00:33:26.56 They're holding fast to Him and they're 00:33:26.57\00:33:28.19 keeping the faith of Jesus. Jesus, their redeemer, 00:33:28.20\00:33:31.72 the one is gonna avenge them and deliver them. 00:33:31.73\00:33:33.90 What we find is they're doing that in the midst 00:33:33.91\00:33:36.42 of persecution, trouble, in the form of even death 00:33:36.43\00:33:44.91 is what they are facing and while we're not there now, 00:33:44.92\00:33:48.35 although I would suggest some Christians are 00:33:48.36\00:33:50.10 in parts of the world are being persecuted. 00:33:50.11\00:33:52.00 Faith is the only thing we have and so I think 00:33:52.01\00:33:57.62 as these things--times come, it's gonna reveal 00:33:57.63\00:33:59.78 whether or not, we've been strengthening 00:33:59.79\00:34:01.51 our faith prior or in advance of this 00:34:01.52\00:34:03.95 and are ready for that time of trouble. 00:34:03.96\00:34:06.54 I'm glad you brought that up because our faith 00:34:06.55\00:34:08.20 is the faith that we have 00:34:08.21\00:34:11.64 is in fact what God has imparted 00:34:11.65\00:34:14.86 to us to get us ready for that difficult time. 00:34:14.87\00:34:17.21 We think about the faith chapter. 00:34:17.22\00:34:20.08 We think of Hebrews 11. 00:34:20.09\00:34:21.48 But if this is not new to you bear with us, 00:34:21.49\00:34:25.04 but there is a faith book in the Bible. 00:34:25.05\00:34:28.37 The faith book is the Book of James. 00:34:28.38\00:34:31.02 All through the Book of James, James is actually 00:34:31.03\00:34:34.09 broken down into capsules of expressions of Gods-- 00:34:34.10\00:34:39.21 of the faith that we must have in Christ 00:34:39.22\00:34:41.03 and so when I think about this time that's coming, 00:34:41.04\00:34:46.14 I want to say this it is not enough 00:34:46.15\00:34:47.73 to just say, we trust God. 00:34:47.74\00:34:50.85 It is not enough to just say we have faith in God. 00:34:50.86\00:34:55.02 So the Lord allows difficulties in trials 00:34:55.03\00:34:57.38 to come to test the fabric of our faith. 00:34:57.39\00:35:00.73 How strong is your faith? 00:35:00.74\00:35:02.41 What can your faith do for you? 00:35:02.42\00:35:04.12 Can your faith really cause you to endure 00:35:04.13\00:35:06.50 and so if our faith is going to be the means 00:35:06.51\00:35:11.39 through which we endure faith and Jesus 00:35:11.40\00:35:13.63 we're gonna be the means by which we endure. 00:35:13.64\00:35:15.29 How do we know our faith is being developed today 00:35:15.30\00:35:18.10 is the question I would like to lead into. 00:35:18.11\00:35:19.92 And for the answer I'd like to go to James Chapter 2. 00:35:19.93\00:35:22.86 How do we know that our faith is being developed 00:35:22.87\00:35:26.57 to the place where we could endure when the time come. 00:35:26.58\00:35:29.77 When that time of trouble comes and here it says, 00:35:29.78\00:35:31.79 we're going then to James. Here's what I wanna say. 00:35:31.80\00:35:34.79 The devil knows that faith will endure, 00:35:34.80\00:35:37.46 will keep us in the time of trouble, but he also knows 00:35:37.47\00:35:41.50 that the lack of strengthening our faith 00:35:41.51\00:35:44.14 now in preparation for that time is going to 00:35:44.15\00:35:47.79 bring people down and this is why the secret rapture 00:35:47.80\00:35:53.35 and the teaching of a second chance is so deadly. 00:35:53.36\00:35:56.16 Right. Because around the world there're Christians 00:35:56.17\00:35:58.68 today almost goes back to that apostate Protestantism 00:35:58.69\00:36:02.30 we talked about in that one question. 00:36:02.31\00:36:04.52 The present world today has embraced this futuristic-- 00:36:04.53\00:36:08.39 the futurist approach to interpreting 00:36:08.40\00:36:11.37 the second coming of Jesus, which is a secret appearing, 00:36:11.38\00:36:14.88 a rapturing out of the church 00:36:14.89\00:36:16.28 prior to the time of trouble. Right. 00:36:16.29\00:36:18.17 And Christians are going around today with this false 00:36:18.18\00:36:21.19 sense of security that they will not be here 00:36:21.20\00:36:23.20 when trouble comes. 00:36:23.21\00:36:25.53 Yet throughout the Bible, we find no where, 00:36:25.54\00:36:28.02 any evidence of God taking somebody away 00:36:28.03\00:36:30.90 from trouble not to experience it. 00:36:30.91\00:36:32.55 He instead allows them to go through trouble 00:36:32.56\00:36:35.63 and He keeps them through that time of trouble. 00:36:35.64\00:36:38.68 So I know we don't-- this is in a subject 00:36:38.69\00:36:40.88 on the secret rapture, but I do wanna say 00:36:40.89\00:36:43.25 that this we see this here at House calls, John, and 00:36:43.26\00:36:46.61 we've talked about this and taught on this many times. 00:36:46.62\00:36:48.44 We see the secret rapture as absolutely deadly 00:36:48.45\00:36:52.30 for Christians today because they are not aware 00:36:52.31\00:36:55.44 nor are they're watching for 00:36:55.45\00:36:57.07 the time of trouble soon to come. 00:36:57.08\00:36:58.56 And they'll be-- they will find themselves 00:36:58.57\00:36:59.95 in the middle of trouble without a faith 00:36:59.96\00:37:02.20 strong enough to stand. 00:37:02.21\00:37:04.63 We want to see your faith strong enough to stand. 00:37:04.64\00:37:07.10 So that's why we have programs such as this. 00:37:07.11\00:37:10.76 So back to that initial question, how do we know 00:37:12.21\00:37:15.50 our faith is growing in preparation 00:37:15.51\00:37:17.58 for the time that's ahead of us? 00:37:17.59\00:37:19.37 James 2. Look at this. And by the way, 00:37:19.38\00:37:22.62 very powerful example here in the life of Abraham. 00:37:28.22\00:37:35.37 First of all I wanna begin with verse 18. 00:37:35.38\00:37:39.42 But someone will say, 00:37:41.98\00:37:44.48 "You have faith and I have works." 00:37:44.49\00:37:48.60 Show me your faith without your works, 00:37:48.61\00:37:51.76 and I will show you my faith by my works. 00:37:51.77\00:37:56.28 You believe that there is one God. You do well. 00:37:56.29\00:37:59.49 Even the demons believe and tremble. 00:37:59.50\00:38:03.90 But to you-- but do you want to know, 00:38:03.91\00:38:07.86 oh, foolish man that faith without works is dead? 00:38:07.87\00:38:11.42 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, 00:38:11.43\00:38:14.76 when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 00:38:14.77\00:38:17.89 Do you see that faith was working together 00:38:17.90\00:38:21.44 with his works and by works faith was made perfect 00:38:21.45\00:38:25.42 or made complete and the scripture was fulfilled, 00:38:25.43\00:38:28.26 which says Abraham believed God and was 00:38:28.27\00:38:30.15 accounted to him for righteousness 00:38:30.16\00:38:31.84 and he was called the friend of God. 00:38:31.85\00:38:34.45 You see then a man is justified by works 00:38:34.46\00:38:37.10 and not by faith alone. 00:38:37.11\00:38:40.28 Likewise was also Rahab the harlot justified by works, 00:38:40.29\00:38:42.96 when she received the messengers, 00:38:42.97\00:38:44.21 and sent them out another way. 00:38:44.22\00:38:46.58 So as the body without the spirit is dead, 00:38:46.59\00:38:48.61 so faith without works is dead also. 00:38:48.62\00:38:51.12 So what the Bible in essence saying here is your faith 00:38:51.13\00:38:54.18 has to be substantiated by the way 00:38:54.19\00:38:56.33 that your life is lived, and the reason, 00:38:56.34\00:38:58.07 I say works is a lot of people think well, okay 00:38:58.08\00:39:00.79 what work does the Bible call me to do? 00:39:00.80\00:39:02.84 The Bible doesn't call you to do a work, 00:39:02.85\00:39:05.30 but the Bible calls you for a work. 00:39:05.31\00:39:08.39 There's altogether different. 00:39:08.40\00:39:10.05 It doesn't call you to do a work but it calls you 00:39:10.06\00:39:12.90 in preparation for a work. 00:39:12.91\00:39:15.38 You're not saved by your work, 00:39:15.39\00:39:17.23 but you're saved for work. 00:39:17.24\00:39:20.62 Well, you almost have to go to Ephesians 2. 00:39:20.63\00:39:23.12 Okay. All right. That's the segment-- 00:39:23.13\00:39:25.27 that's the segment as you-- or the segue 00:39:25.28\00:39:27.41 that the growing progression of what faith really does. 00:39:27.42\00:39:31.38 See faith isn't something you receive 00:39:31.39\00:39:33.66 at one point in time and then you're good. 00:39:33.67\00:39:37.21 There's a false conception of faith. 00:39:37.22\00:39:38.67 The faith is something that you receive 00:39:38.68\00:39:41.79 as a mustard seed. It's small. Okay. 00:39:41.80\00:39:44.62 But Jesus talks about how that mustard seed grows 00:39:44.63\00:39:46.87 into this mustard tree so to speak and it bears fruit. 00:39:46.88\00:39:54.43 Something happens-- things happen as a result 00:39:54.44\00:39:57.71 of that faith and so you know--and Paul speaks off 00:39:57.72\00:40:01.15 when you first come into the faith 00:40:01.16\00:40:02.90 that you're baby. That's right. 00:40:02.91\00:40:04.51 Babies got to grow up. So a lot of us 00:40:04.52\00:40:07.08 aren't growing up, increasing our faith 00:40:07.09\00:40:10.33 that's part of growing up. You're right there. 00:40:10.34\00:40:13.08 Yes, matter of fact, the apostle said 00:40:13.09\00:40:15.04 as you go to Ephesians, you want 00:40:15.05\00:40:17.08 Ephesians 2 verse 8, 9, 10. Okay, the apostles 00:40:17.09\00:40:20.78 and leading into that ask Jesus, 00:40:20.79\00:40:23.54 they said to the Lord in Luke 17:5, 00:40:23.55\00:40:26.33 Lord, increase our faith, see. So faith is not static. 00:40:26.34\00:40:32.13 It is ever growing, ever being nurtured. Okay, 00:40:32.14\00:40:35.88 take us to that Ephesians 2 verse 8-10, John, go ahead. 00:40:35.89\00:40:40.99 All right. Verse 8, for by grace 00:40:41.00\00:40:45.01 you have been saved through faith, 00:40:45.02\00:40:47.54 and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, 00:40:47.55\00:40:51.37 not of works lest anyone should bow. 00:40:51.38\00:40:53.49 So we can pause there and we can say 00:40:53.50\00:40:55.45 there is no possible way to be saved 00:40:55.46\00:40:57.65 except through faith in Jesus by His grace. 00:40:57.66\00:41:02.13 It is a gift. It is free. You cannot earn it. 00:41:02.14\00:41:04.26 You cannot work to get it. There's nothing you can do 00:41:04.27\00:41:08.00 that would allow yourself to be seen as worthy 00:41:08.01\00:41:10.38 to be saved for God. 00:41:10.39\00:41:12.24 God does it all through Jesus Christ. 00:41:12.25\00:41:14.52 That's right and I'm glad you said that 00:41:14.53\00:41:16.03 before we go to verse 10. I mean, 00:41:16.04\00:41:18.02 you just said a moment ago, just as you tailed off 00:41:18.03\00:41:20.60 that statement very, very powerful 00:41:20.61\00:41:21.93 because a lot of times you read this text 00:41:21.94\00:41:23.36 and you say we're saved by grace through faith. 00:41:23.37\00:41:25.75 No we're not. We're saved by Jesus. 00:41:26.54\00:41:28.60 Yes. His grace. Through our faith in Him 00:41:28.71\00:41:32.49 is what brings that salvation to us. 00:41:32.96\00:41:34.75 For the grace of God, that bringeth salvation 00:41:34.88\00:41:36.83 has appeared to all men Paul says in the Book of Titus. 00:41:36.84\00:41:39.28 So when I say by grace through faith, 00:41:39.60\00:41:40.96 grace which we don't, we have no claims to. 00:41:41.36\00:41:45.32 By our faith in the Christ that we don't see, 00:41:46.00\00:41:48.09 connects us to the God who does exist 00:41:49.01\00:41:51.36 and He is the one that saves us. 00:41:51.64\00:41:53.49 So how we're saved? We're saved by Christ. 00:41:53.72\00:41:55.51 Grace we don't merit. Faith gives us the eyes 00:41:55.83\00:41:59.46 to see the one who extends to us salvation. 00:41:59.47\00:42:02.01 Very important point. You know, and before I read 00:42:02.19\00:42:04.43 this too can I inject something real quick 00:42:04.44\00:42:06.02 here on grace? I think you can. 00:42:06.03\00:42:07.33 I have your permission. You know, grace-- 00:42:09.01\00:42:12.10 I think is very misunderstood today. It is. 00:42:12.93\00:42:15.35 Grace is some ethereal kind of God is so good grace. 00:42:15.36\00:42:18.44 Yes, but that's not the full grace in its power. 00:42:18.80\00:42:23.09 That's right. You know, we define-- 00:42:23.23\00:42:26.95 or the definition of grace is unmerited favor. 00:42:26.99\00:42:30.09 I don't use that even anymore. 00:42:31.07\00:42:32.70 It's correct but I don't use it anymore 00:42:33.75\00:42:35.80 because it's just too brief. And here's how I explain it. 00:42:35.81\00:42:39.69 Just in my ministry as it evolves, 00:42:40.04\00:42:43.07 I've transitioned to this definition. 00:42:43.15\00:42:44.72 Okay. So I'll give to you. Anytime God reaches out 00:42:44.73\00:42:49.36 and down to do anything for us that's grace. 00:42:49.37\00:42:52.95 That's right. Very, very-- 00:42:53.52\00:42:54.84 Anytime He reaches down to save 00:42:55.19\00:42:57.59 that which is unsavable by any other means, grace. 00:42:57.60\00:43:00.80 That's right. When you're weak 00:43:00.81\00:43:02.80 and you need strength and He gives you strength, 00:43:03.55\00:43:05.98 He just gave you grace. 00:43:05.99\00:43:07.22 His grace is efficient. 00:43:07.23\00:43:08.55 Grace is power. Grace is favor. 00:43:08.59\00:43:12.17 Grace is anything God does for us 00:43:12.18\00:43:14.96 that we can't do for ourselves. 00:43:15.26\00:43:16.69 Uh, beautiful, I like that. That's grace. Right. 00:43:16.70\00:43:18.86 So we can't save ourselves only God can do it. 00:43:19.16\00:43:22.11 That's grace and the way you connect. 00:43:22.12\00:43:23.88 I got this word from a friend of ours, 00:43:24.67\00:43:26.59 Andy, who works in soy business. 00:43:26.60\00:43:29.15 You know, who I'm talking about. Yeah. 00:43:29.16\00:43:30.60 The stuff that he's working on, 00:43:31.11\00:43:32.83 they've been looking for what makes soy so healthy 00:43:32.84\00:43:35.80 and they've kind of boiled it down to this thing 00:43:36.47\00:43:38.96 that seems to activate, the healthiness 00:43:39.31\00:43:41.89 of the soybean, you know, this--this agent within it, 00:43:41.90\00:43:45.25 that's causing it to be so healthy. 00:43:45.26\00:43:46.73 Soy agent. Well, yeah, 00:43:46.74\00:43:48.58 but I love what he uses, what he-- 00:43:48.59\00:43:50.53 the term they use. It's the activating agent. 00:43:50.54\00:43:53.59 Faith is the activating agent for God's grace. Amen. 00:43:55.92\00:44:01.41 When you exercise your faith, 00:44:01.42\00:44:03.14 it activates a response from God to stoop down, 00:44:03.15\00:44:06.25 to come down and do it for you 00:44:06.26\00:44:07.86 what you can't do for yourself. 00:44:07.87\00:44:09.28 In essence that's an every area of our walk. 00:44:09.29\00:44:11.70 No matter, yeah, whether it's when you 00:44:11.71\00:44:13.25 first believe or when you need faith 00:44:13.26\00:44:15.55 and strength to move on. 00:44:15.56\00:44:17.66 That's God's grace and it's activated. 00:44:17.67\00:44:19.29 It's an activated agent by, the agent is faith. 00:44:19.30\00:44:22.45 So exercising faith boom, God moves, that's grace. 00:44:23.41\00:44:26.76 So this text has become so powerful-- 00:44:26.77\00:44:29.38 I've a whole sermon series on just this text. 00:44:29.39\00:44:32.24 You sound excited about it. 00:44:32.25\00:44:33.22 Oh, I am--I love it because it's done so much 00:44:33.23\00:44:35.46 for my life in developing this understanding 00:44:35.47\00:44:37.81 and I just, I praised God, so now as we transition now. 00:44:37.82\00:44:40.93 But you-- I've to respond. 00:44:40.94\00:44:42.23 Go ahead. Go for it. I'll be excited. Okay? Go, go, go. 00:44:42.24\00:44:44.20 Because truly when you think about that 00:44:44.21\00:44:45.94 and I wanna emphasize what you just pointed out 00:44:45.95\00:44:48.13 but a different way. 00:44:48.14\00:44:49.16 God really doesn't owe us anything. 00:44:49.17\00:44:51.04 I mean He doesn't owe us a thing. 00:44:51.05\00:44:52.43 He doesn't have to do anything for us. 00:44:52.44\00:44:53.90 As a matter of fact, as I pointed out one of my studies 00:44:53.91\00:44:56.01 if the Lord did any, if the Lord decided 00:44:56.02\00:44:58.65 He wants to destroy us, 00:44:58.66\00:44:59.83 Hewould be just in wiping out 00:44:59.84\00:45:01.77 every human being that is ever sent. 00:45:01.78\00:45:03.35 But He is, is grace the song we sing that I once said 00:45:04.41\00:45:09.76 if I hear that song, "Amazing Grace" 00:45:09.77\00:45:11.17 one more time, I'm gonna just lose it. 00:45:11.18\00:45:13.39 But you know I'm beginning to appreciate 00:45:13.40\00:45:15.08 because it is amazing, 00:45:15.09\00:45:16.66 it's amazing that God would even want 00:45:16.88\00:45:19.03 to do something for us. Yeah. 00:45:19.04\00:45:20.83 But that goes back to for God so loved us 00:45:20.84\00:45:24.24 Yeah, that His love is-- His love is accented 00:45:24.25\00:45:29.23 through the grace and then He helps us 00:45:29.24\00:45:32.70 through grace when we're weak. 00:45:32.71\00:45:33.68 He comes to our side through grace 00:45:33.69\00:45:35.57 when our faith is waning. 00:45:35.58\00:45:36.70 His grace keeps us. His grace guides us. 00:45:36.71\00:45:39.36 Yeah. Gracious. You see that phrase, gracious. 00:45:39.37\00:45:42.39 So I'm working on another sermon now 00:45:42.42\00:45:45.46 you just gave it to me. Powerful, powerful. 00:45:45.47\00:45:47.02 But I'll let you preach it. 00:45:47.03\00:45:48.47 So what does grace do? I mean 00:45:48.48\00:45:50.02 now that we've activated that grace by faith 00:45:50.03\00:45:52.57 because that's our subject today. Right. 00:45:52.58\00:45:54.36 Then we read in verse 10 here, 00:45:54.37\00:45:56.31 for we are His workmanship. We're not our workmanship. 00:45:56.32\00:46:01.04 He is the work-- He is the master. 00:46:01.05\00:46:03.19 He is the one working on us where His workmanship-- 00:46:03.20\00:46:05.54 Created in Christ Jesus for good works, 00:46:05.55\00:46:09.90 which God prepared beforehand, 00:46:09.91\00:46:11.47 that we should walk in them. 00:46:11.48\00:46:13.31 If someone comes to you and says, 00:46:13.32\00:46:15.38 you know, works aren't the issue. 00:46:15.39\00:46:17.79 When it comes to being saved, it's all about faith. 00:46:17.80\00:46:20.49 Let me tell you, faith without works 00:46:20.53\00:46:23.27 we've already is dead. That's right. 00:46:23.28\00:46:25.13 James clearly tells us that. 00:46:25.14\00:46:27.06 It's a misunderstanding of faith 00:46:27.07\00:46:29.43 being this namby pamby. Kind of, 00:46:29.44\00:46:33.36 I mean, what else do I say? How do you describe it? 00:46:33.37\00:46:36.36 This, well, God's grace and we just kinda-- 00:46:36.37\00:46:38.45 it goes off as if it doesn't do anything for me 00:46:38.46\00:46:40.56 except it just makes sure that I'm gonna be in heaven. 00:46:40.57\00:46:42.59 You know, God's grace transforms. 00:46:42.63\00:46:45.40 It takes what you don't have and gives you 00:46:45.41\00:46:47.54 what you can have through Christ, 00:46:47.55\00:46:49.20 bringing Christ into the life 00:46:49.21\00:46:50.96 and then generating good works. 00:46:50.97\00:46:53.68 So if there're no good works, 00:46:54.95\00:46:56.51 if you don't see the Christians life changed, 00:46:56.52\00:46:59.15 then you know that faith hasn't taken. 00:46:59.16\00:47:02.07 Faith isn't the faith that activates 00:47:02.10\00:47:04.61 the grace of God and is allowed 00:47:04.62\00:47:06.25 to transform the life. Right. 00:47:06.26\00:47:07.88 We want to encourage our viewers 00:47:07.89\00:47:10.55 and our listeners out there 00:47:10.56\00:47:11.74 to exercise their faith in a way 00:47:11.75\00:47:16.06 that transforms their life 00:47:16.07\00:47:19.16 and that means that it generates works. 00:47:19.17\00:47:22.45 I've gotta add something here to this. 00:47:22.46\00:47:24.25 I'm not advocating you say now, 00:47:24.26\00:47:26.42 okay now I gotta quit my lesson, 00:47:26.43\00:47:27.71 go out and do my works. Exactly. 00:47:27.72\00:47:29.98 Because we know Philippians 2. Okay. 00:47:29.99\00:47:34.21 Right? You know where I'm going, Philippians 2:13, 00:47:34.22\00:47:38.49 for it is God who works in you 00:47:38.50\00:47:41.62 remember we are His workmanship. 00:47:41.63\00:47:43.50 It's His workmanship. It's God who works in you 00:47:43.51\00:47:47.03 both to will that is to cause you to want to 00:47:47.04\00:47:49.91 and to do, to actually help you do it-- 00:47:49.92\00:47:52.78 Of His good pleasure. Of His good pleasure. 00:47:52.79\00:47:54.77 That's right. So you-- 00:47:54.78\00:47:56.97 all you can do is choose to be used by God. 00:47:56.98\00:47:59.54 You can't choose to do the works of God. 00:47:59.55\00:48:01.83 You can choose to be used by God 00:48:01.84\00:48:03.64 and that's what God's grace is all about. 00:48:03.65\00:48:05.66 That's what faith can generate or cause 00:48:05.67\00:48:08.41 to happen in the life of the Christians. 00:48:08.42\00:48:09.94 So that's what Paul the apostle means 00:48:09.95\00:48:11.42 when he says for God will finish the work 00:48:11.43\00:48:14.89 and cut it short in righteousness. 00:48:14.90\00:48:16.85 He's doing the work. Oh, wow, 00:48:16.86\00:48:19.02 you know, boy, that's powerful. 00:48:19.03\00:48:20.71 It just got me. Ah, man, okay, my shoulder, 00:48:20.72\00:48:26.46 this completely puts a whole different spin 00:48:26.47\00:48:29.35 on the works that we say we're doing. 00:48:29.36\00:48:31.09 It's-- we don't do the work anymore 00:48:31.13\00:48:33.61 than the extension cord makes our computer work. 00:48:33.62\00:48:36.37 That's right. The extension cord in fact 00:48:37.52\00:48:40.22 would be representative to me of our faith 00:48:40.23\00:48:44.29 that connects us to a source that, 00:48:44.30\00:48:46.38 that sends through us the power 00:48:46.39\00:48:48.37 to activate in our lives those things-- 00:48:48.38\00:48:50.91 You want to hold there, Alan? 00:48:50.92\00:48:52.00 Why did Jacob dream about a ladder? 00:48:52.01\00:48:53.55 Wow. That's right. The ladder that faith that reaches up-- 00:48:53.56\00:48:58.10 The power cord that reaches up to God. 00:48:58.11\00:48:59.96 You know, so we're like power-- 00:48:59.97\00:49:01.35 we're like extent--no, we-- 00:49:01.36\00:49:02.41 we're more than extension cords but in fact 00:49:02.42\00:49:04.37 God works through us, He works through us-- 00:49:04.38\00:49:07.09 Through the extension cord of Christ to us 00:49:07.12\00:49:09.24 to activate the computer. Wow. 00:49:09.25\00:49:11.18 The work that He's doing in us 00:49:11.19\00:49:12.89 and so we don't have any claim to that. 00:49:12.90\00:49:14.18 We can't even say well thank you Lord, 00:49:14.19\00:49:15.66 thank you Lord, now I need my reward for my work. 00:49:15.67\00:49:18.07 He said no although and that's you know, 00:49:18.11\00:49:19.87 I've mentioned that what's so powerful 00:49:19.88\00:49:21.36 about the work that God does in us 00:49:21.37\00:49:22.65 and we always want the topic of grace and faith, 00:49:22.66\00:49:24.69 what's so powerful about that is when time rolls, 00:49:24.70\00:49:28.12 when eternity rolls, and we are not standing before God, 00:49:28.13\00:49:31.11 this is the beauty of God. 00:49:31.12\00:49:32.78 He says I will now give to every man 00:49:32.79\00:49:34.97 according as his work shall be. 00:49:34.98\00:49:36.53 And in that, it's Him who's doing the work 00:49:36.54\00:49:39.16 through us but we're simply vessels 00:49:39.17\00:49:40.55 making ourselves available to God. Wow. 00:49:40.56\00:49:44.06 That shows you that salvation is a very, very-- 00:49:44.10\00:49:47.21 salvation brings you to the place 00:49:47.22\00:49:49.18 where God says okay, now are you-- 00:49:49.19\00:49:51.29 I've just saved you, are you willing 00:49:51.30\00:49:53.30 to let me work in your life now. 00:49:53.31\00:49:54.97 Uh, yeah, it's so powerful. I mean this is the elements. 00:49:55.01\00:49:58.95 This is the eliminate principles of, 00:49:58.96\00:50:01.13 of, of Christianity. Right. 00:50:01.14\00:50:03.91 This is where it's got to start 00:50:03.92\00:50:05.08 and I don't think we're understanding this 00:50:05.09\00:50:06.80 to the degree that we should. 00:50:06.81\00:50:07.90 I wanna read a verse here. Sure. 00:50:07.91\00:50:09.48 Because, you know, we're talking about-- 00:50:09.49\00:50:11.50 I'm John 14 now. So I-- 00:50:11.51\00:50:14.07 you know, we've got this, 00:50:14.08\00:50:15.44 I love the term you use extension cord 00:50:15.48\00:50:17.86 because the power is in heaven. That's right. 00:50:17.87\00:50:20.52 The powerless is on the earth 00:50:20.53\00:50:22.69 and the only way to get the power from heaven 00:50:22.70\00:50:24.92 to earth is through the conduit of Christ 00:50:24.93\00:50:27.29 who is the representation of this ladder. 00:50:27.30\00:50:30.83 What Jacob was dreaming about was, the ladder was Christ 00:50:30.84\00:50:35.01 and angels are going down back and forth 00:50:35.04\00:50:37.71 on Christ which is, are His merits 00:50:37.72\00:50:39.85 giving and ministering to those 00:50:39.86\00:50:42.29 who need the power down here. 00:50:42.30\00:50:43.76 So now here's the other element to this. 00:50:44.78\00:50:47.18 Here's the other element to this. 00:50:47.21\00:50:48.90 Slow down. I love it.Okay. 00:50:48.91\00:50:50.96 John 14. Look at verse 16 through18. All right. 00:50:50.97\00:50:54.02 And I would pray the Father, 00:50:54.03\00:50:56.49 and he will give you another helper 00:50:56.50\00:50:59.45 that he may abide with you forever; 00:50:59.46\00:51:01.32 the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, 00:51:01.33\00:51:03.89 because it neither sees him nor knows him, 00:51:03.90\00:51:05.73 but you know him; for he dwells with you, 00:51:05.77\00:51:08.28 and will be in you. Number one 00:51:08.29\00:51:11.34 the Holy Spirit can dwell with you. 00:51:11.35\00:51:14.09 Another words he can work on you from the outside. 00:51:14.13\00:51:16.57 He can work on your mind. He can consciously-- 00:51:16.60\00:51:20.72 he can be your conscience. He can work as much as 00:51:20.73\00:51:22.92 he can with you, but God notice-- 00:51:22.93\00:51:25.63 but Jesus wants him to be in you. That's right. 00:51:25.64\00:51:28.70 So he's telling disciples he will be with you 00:51:28.71\00:51:31.98 and in you. We want the Holy Spirit 00:51:33.02\00:51:36.29 with us and in us. 00:51:36.30\00:51:37.63 We don't want him just with us. 00:51:37.67\00:51:38.92 With us is conviction, 00:51:38.93\00:51:40.84 those things that draws us to Christ 00:51:40.85\00:51:42.58 In us, is the power. 00:51:42.59\00:51:44.24 Okay, Now look at verse 18. 00:51:44.25\00:51:48.13 I will not, this is Jesus now, 00:51:48.14\00:51:50.34 I will not leave you orphans; 00:51:50.35\00:51:51.91 I will come to you. That's right. 00:51:51.92\00:51:55.14 Jesus is coming into you through the Holy Spirit, 00:51:55.15\00:51:59.60 which was once only outside of you at work. Okay, exactly. 00:51:59.63\00:52:03.61 So the power cord has been plugged in, 00:52:03.62\00:52:05.60 the Holy Spirit's coming in, Christ has taken his throne 00:52:05.61\00:52:09.48 on upon your heart through the Holy Spirit. 00:52:09.49\00:52:11.79 And what we have today now 00:52:11.80\00:52:13.25 are a contrast in Christianity, 00:52:13.26\00:52:16.49 one with the power and one without the power. 00:52:16.50\00:52:19.40 Problem for us pastors is they're both sitting 00:52:19.43\00:52:22.19 in the pews. We want you all to be powered, 00:52:22.20\00:52:27.56 empowered spirit filled Christians. 00:52:27.57\00:52:29.55 Right. That's what, yeah. 00:52:29.58\00:52:31.10 You know, and when you think about this, 00:52:31.11\00:52:32.65 it comes down to the whole picture here, 00:52:32.66\00:52:34.18 Christ in you the hope of glory. 00:52:34.19\00:52:36.60 But now with that very foundation 00:52:36.61\00:52:39.43 you laid in John 14, John 15 comes now 00:52:39.44\00:52:42.30 and says okay, I am the vine, the power cord, 00:52:42.31\00:52:45.81 you are the branches, the extension cords. 00:52:45.82\00:52:48.53 And that's why Jesus when He left 00:52:48.54\00:52:50.21 and, you know, this is a very remedial earthly term 00:52:50.22\00:52:53.75 when we use the phrase extension cord 00:52:53.76\00:52:55.27 and connect it to Jesus Christ. 00:52:55.28\00:52:56.29 There's so much more power there than extension cord. 00:52:56.30\00:52:58.56 Right. But we just wanna use 00:52:58.57\00:53:00.44 a kinda an object lesson here. 00:53:00.45\00:53:02.59 He said I'm one extension cord while I'm here, 00:53:02.60\00:53:05.57 but when I leave, I'm gonna turn my whole church 00:53:05.58\00:53:08.55 into extension cords. 00:53:08.56\00:53:09.94 That's why He says more works than these will you do. 00:53:09.95\00:53:13.71 Can you imagine unplugging one extension cord 00:53:13.72\00:53:16.48 and plugging it again? I'm plugging it, 00:53:16.49\00:53:17.79 and unplugging it again. The Lord says wait a minute. 00:53:17.80\00:53:20.20 Let me just give you 28 million 00:53:20.21\00:53:23.85 extension cords and we could do a lot more, a lot faster. 00:53:23.86\00:53:26.48 And does that through the Holy Spirit. 00:53:26.49\00:53:27.83 It does that Holy Spirit activates our lives, 00:53:27.86\00:53:29.96 extends us to the world and so when we read 00:53:29.97\00:53:32.64 Ephesians 2:10 where we come to the-- 00:53:32.65\00:53:35.42 for you are his workmanship. 00:53:35.43\00:53:37.39 It is not ending at verse 8 and 9, 00:53:37.40\00:53:39.40 save by grace or faith. It's going to verse 10 00:53:39.41\00:53:41.90 and say okay, yes Christ wants to work in my life. 00:53:41.91\00:53:45.76 He does it by me accepting him by faith 00:53:45.77\00:53:48.03 but now He activates me. Thank you, John. 00:53:48.04\00:53:50.56 He activates me now to be a moving active agent 00:53:50.57\00:53:54.53 of His power all through the earth. 00:53:54.54\00:53:57.63 And it doesn't take away the will, 00:53:57.64\00:53:59.22 the power to choose and our choice, 00:53:59.23\00:54:02.20 the only--the choice we have to make day by day 00:54:02.21\00:54:04.87 is to exercise our faith. 00:54:04.88\00:54:06.33 That's why it comes down to faith. 00:54:06.34\00:54:07.79 If we're not continually exercising that faith 00:54:07.80\00:54:10.95 that we've been given, even though 00:54:10.96\00:54:12.55 it was very small at first, 00:54:12.56\00:54:13.65 it can't get stronger and not only that, 00:54:13.66\00:54:17.62 the Holy Spirit and here's where you got 00:54:17.63\00:54:20.13 this one's saved always thing comes into play. 00:54:20.14\00:54:22.07 The Holy Spirit-- you can actually 00:54:22.11\00:54:24.70 quench the Holy Spirit. How do you quench? 00:54:24.71\00:54:27.28 A PCB equipment from working, how do you stop it? 00:54:28.83\00:54:32.69 You'll pull the power cord out. Right. 00:54:32.70\00:54:35.62 So what happens here is when Paul says, 00:54:35.63\00:54:38.99 do not quench the spirit, 00:54:39.00\00:54:40.71 what He's saying is don't turn the lifeline, 00:54:40.72\00:54:44.00 your Christian experience off. 00:54:44.01\00:54:46.00 Right, don't disconnect. 00:54:46.01\00:54:47.12 Don't allow yourself to become lost 00:54:47.13\00:54:50.63 when you've already been saved 00:54:50.64\00:54:52.71 by such a wonderful grace and power 00:54:52.72\00:54:55.47 the God has given to you. Wow. 00:54:55.48\00:54:57.64 So we continue to exercise our faith 00:54:57.65\00:54:59.68 which is keep that power source 00:54:59.69\00:55:01.65 from God running through to us 00:55:02.68\00:55:04.57 and in us and God is asking us 00:55:04.61\00:55:07.73 and has given us that faith, that ability to do that 00:55:07.74\00:55:10.80 and He's saying don't ever give up. 00:55:10.81\00:55:13.19 There's one message we can give 00:55:13.23\00:55:14.59 to all of our congregations. It would be never give up. 00:55:14.60\00:55:17.27 That's right. Never give up even we you're failed. 00:55:17.30\00:55:19.72 The devils weren't telling you, 00:55:19.73\00:55:20.91 you can't get on your knees again. 00:55:20.92\00:55:22.33 That's right. Get on your knees immediately 00:55:22.36\00:55:24.40 when you fail and say Lord I'm sorry. 00:55:24.41\00:55:25.82 I put my faith and trust in you again 00:55:25.83\00:55:27.57 that your blood will blot that sin out. 00:55:27.58\00:55:30.86 Anyway that's another subject. 00:55:31.87\00:55:33.35 But now so the person who says okay, well, 00:55:33.36\00:55:37.16 I love the Lord, but I don't have 00:55:37.17\00:55:39.88 as much faith as I think I could have. 00:55:39.89\00:55:42.39 Uh, Romans 10 verse 17. Faith comes by hearing, 00:55:42.42\00:55:48.02 hearing by the word of God. 00:55:48.03\00:55:50.73 Boom you wanna hear what God-- 00:55:50.74\00:55:52.73 you want that constant flow on a constant divine power, 00:55:52.74\00:55:55.57 I've come to the conclusion 00:55:55.58\00:55:57.21 that this is not just a Book of Books. 00:55:57.25\00:56:00.51 It's not just a--this is the only living book on the earth. 00:56:00.52\00:56:05.68 Well, it's the word of God which suggests 00:56:05.69\00:56:08.82 an element of audibility or at least at a transference 00:56:08.83\00:56:13.39 of a message from God to you. That's the way He does it. 00:56:13.40\00:56:15.87 A living word. Jesus we know is the living word 00:56:15.88\00:56:18.85 but he transfers the power into His word 00:56:18.86\00:56:21.76 and as Paul says in Ephesians, 00:56:21.77\00:56:23.10 it effectively works in you who believe. 00:56:23.11\00:56:27.22 So if you need to increase your faith, 00:56:27.25\00:56:28.75 which is what we just talked about here, 00:56:28.76\00:56:30.15 ever increasing faith John-- Luke 17:7, 00:56:30.16\00:56:33.21 increase our faith. 00:56:33.22\00:56:34.25 You got to do by the constant study of the word of God. 00:56:34.26\00:56:36.50 Which Paul also says is able to save our souls. 00:56:36.53\00:56:40.26 Uh, that's right. 00:56:40.27\00:56:41.64 So the word of God brought into the life maintains 00:56:41.65\00:56:46.53 that connection first of all but also allows God to speak 00:56:46.54\00:56:51.37 His will to give to put His will in place of our will. 00:56:51.38\00:56:54.88 To the point where you know, 00:56:54.89\00:56:56.59 Paul says I die daily that I-- 00:56:56.60\00:56:59.93 that is I die to my will daily. 00:56:59.94\00:57:01.90 It's no longer Christ who lives in me, right? 00:57:01.91\00:57:05.61 It's no longer, I who-- 00:57:05.62\00:57:06.98 I'm sorry, I who live, but Christ who lives in me 00:57:06.99\00:57:09.21 Right. And that continued relationship, 00:57:09.22\00:57:12.19 that continued allowing Christ to live, that's-- 00:57:12.20\00:57:15.10 that's what we want to have by faith. 00:57:15.11\00:57:16.94 That's right and faith is so widely important friends. 00:57:16.98\00:57:19.20 You know we believe here in House calls 00:57:19.21\00:57:20.68 that faith is available but you have to reach out 00:57:20.69\00:57:22.73 by God's power and take hold of the faith 00:57:22.74\00:57:26.92 that He wants to extend to you. 00:57:26.93\00:57:28.09 Give your life to Christ. Try His word 00:57:28.10\00:57:30.40 and your faith will always increase. 00:57:30.41\00:57:32.34 God bless you till we see you again. 00:57:32.35\00:57:34.33