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through this very important
topic as we continue to study
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of "Why So Many Denominations?"
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But before we
get into our study,
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we always like to pray
and John has been designated
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as the prayer, go head prayer.
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All right, let's go
to the Lord in prayer.
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Dear Father in heaven, we
are so thankful every time
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we begin another new program
that we can come to in prayer.
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We can depend upon
you, we can trust you
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that you would fill us
with truth and that is through
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your spirit and that
we invite Him today here
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doing another
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We thank you for not only
the truth that You give us
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through Your word, but
Lord how You're leading,
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guide your people who
are honestly seeking you out.
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And so who are many
seekers out there today,
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we just pray that we will
find you in Jesus name, amen.
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Amen. And we always like to
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And, John, we have some
very good question today,
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you know, this are good ones.
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So go ahead and start
off with the one you have.
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Yeah this question
comes to us from Victor,
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and he is saying here
couple of questions actually.
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First of all, do we
know where the Garden of Eden
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might have been,
and really we don't. No.
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There is just no
indication in Bibles
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to where the Garden of Eden was.
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Secondly, where might
our different skin colors
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originate from?
How do you believe
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or how do you use the
Bible to explain that,
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does evolution
have a hand in it?
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Well, you know, you're gonna
be disappointed at me again,
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the Bible just doesn't
tell us, where skin colors,
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where facial differences,
where any of our differences
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in characteristics come
from, but we do know this that
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God is a God of
diversity and He love diversity
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and He wants none of us to
be the same, we are all unique.
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And so in that respect we
can rejoice in our diversity
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and enjoy that those differences
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that we have between each other.
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One of the questions,
the part of is question here
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that I wanted to
elaborate on though is,
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did evolution have
a hand in this. Okay.
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And there is a
large and I don't know,
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if you mean evolution,
or if you mean adaptation
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or if you mean subtle
changes throughout time,
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I don't know
what you mean there,
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but evolution as we know
as the term we use today,
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there is no part
I believe is no part
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really in Biblical Christianity.
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The Bible I think clearly says
that the Lord created heaven
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and earth in six days,
that is six literal days,
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each day comprise
of a day and a night
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and then on the seven
day He rested and sanctified
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bless the Sabbath day
and that set the weekly cycle
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in motion throughout eternity
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or at least
throughout this earth's history.
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So no evolution in that part,
nor there has been evolution
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as we've gone down through
time that would have effected
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somehow our skin
colors, our differences and look
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and make up and another things.
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But there is a
word that I would say
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or there are scientific evidence
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that I might suggest you that
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and I use kind
of simple analogy.
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There are many kinds of dogs
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and there are
many kinds of cats.
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And I don't believe it's
not my understanding at all
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from scripture that God created
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hundreds of kinds of dogs,
or hundreds of kinds of cats.
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We've seen some evidence
of that a limited number
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of distinction of cats
and dogs throughout the world.
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But the numbers we have
today are continuing to grow.
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In other words
what would happen is
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breeders would get
together and they would bread
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a specific characteristic
of a dog or a cat to arrive
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at the look they wanted
that dog or cat to have.
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And out of doing
that throughout history
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we find some of our
through are purebred dogs,
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or purebred cats still today.
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And they are different
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than what the
original dog and cat look like.
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And I might say that
scientifically we can find
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an adaptation there, a
subtle change through breeding
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and other things that
have come through time.
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Well, it's very likely that
even after the Tower of Babel
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when the people of
the earth were scattered
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that the places they went
and the people they procreated
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with continue develop
certain characteristics overtime
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among that
specific people group.
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Now, I'm not
gonna establish that,
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I don't give
that from scripture,
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but I do say scientifically
we see evidence of that
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with other kinds of species
and we do also find evidence
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of that even with humanity
within our own families,
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a characteristics, oh, you know,
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how many times
John if you heard,
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boy you look just like
your mother or your father.
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That's true. Or something,
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that's because you have come
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from mother or father and
this could even be passed down
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through several generation.
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So anyway I done
my best to theorize,
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but I'm sorry I don't
have a thus saith the Lord
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on either of these questions.
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And I think its just something
we're gonna find out later on
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when we get to
heaven, it will be
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one of those exciting things
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we can ask God
what happened there.
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You know the Bible gives
these following statements
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about the
development of nations.
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One of the well, not one of but
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there was first Adam and Eve,
then their sons Cain and Abel.
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You find that anyone that exists
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we all have the same
mother and same father
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when you go all the way
back to the very beginning.
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But when you
look at the commands,
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or when you look at
the covenant that God made,
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one of the first
covenants you find
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is in Genesis 17
verse 4 as it relates to
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the development
of other nations.
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Here is the one,
let me read it for you
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"As for Me, the
Lord is saying behold,
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My covenant is with you,
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And you shall be a
father of many nations.
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No longer shall your
name be called Abram,
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but you, your name
shall be called Abraham,
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for I have made you a
father of many nations."
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And so you find also
in Genesis Chapter 48.
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It speaks about the continual
the continual development
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of the many nations.
In Acts 17 verse 26 says,
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"From one blood
came all nations of men."
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So when you go all the way back,
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God truly does
believe in diversity.
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Some suggest that
the sons of Noah Ham,
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Shem and Japheth
were the three progenitors
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of the human race,
thus we've the Mongoloid,
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Caucasoid and Negroid.
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Those are the three
anthropological names
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that are given to
those with yellow skin,
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those with white skin,
those with brown skin primarily.
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But what happens as you
go to the course of time,
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and man proliferated
throughout the earth
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specifically one of
the stories told that
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from the Tower Of Babel
when God confuse the languages,
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you find all the
different language groups
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start their beginning.
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And they now began to
form nations among those
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who spoke the same
language that they did
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and they went
throughout the earth
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and began to proliferate.
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And in the course of
time the process is that
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God put into place
began to continually
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form different
humans, different races.
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I can speak for myself,
I'm literally a milkshake
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of various nationalities.
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Some times people
send me emails, John,
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and they say what are you
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and I was--I
knew what they meant,
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or I know what they mean,
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but sometimes I
drag it out what am I,
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they say what race are
you, I said human race.
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But in fact my mother
is Filipino and French,
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the European French.
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My father is Native
American and African American,
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so right there you
have red and yellow,
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black and white, all four.
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And so whatever the cause maybe
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we are as we go back to
the--our humble beginnings
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we see that we're all
sons and daughters of God.
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Now the reason I say
that because we had a pastor,
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very dear friend of mine,
who as a he result of slavery
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there were many people
that came out with very,
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very fair skin and
green eyes and straighter hair
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and then there were others that
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because of the intermingling
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of the different nationalities,
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the different races and so he
said he was tracing his family
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through John, he got all
the way back to the place where
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he ended up at a
shack somewhere in the south
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and that really
discouraged him until one day
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he said he was
reading his Bible.
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And he says we are sons
of Adam who is the son of God
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and that was encouraging
to him enough to let him know
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that truly regardless
what happens thousands of years
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later we are all
children of the Most High God
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and that was the
encouraging thing to him.
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So let's
celebrate our diversity,
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let's celebrate our unity
and let's celebrate the Lord
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that He has given us this
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wonderful garden
of nationalities.
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Selena in
Birmingham, U.K Birmingham,
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but if was somewhere
and I say Birmingham,
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but is from
Birmingham, the United Kingdom,
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that's how they say
over there Birmingham.
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Okay let's go to the question.
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How can we prove
that when Jesus said
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He would send comforter He
was referring to the Holy Spirit
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rather than the
Prophet Elijah Muhammad
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that's an easy one?
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I'm glad you send
that question because
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I--the one thing I do as I allow
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the Bible to speak for itself.
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Muslims believe that
when they said he was saying
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another comforter they
believe that he was sending
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a replacement for
Jesus and they said
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that was Elijah Muhammad.
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But let me let
Bible speak for itself
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listen to the following text,
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I'm making little
larger for me to see them.
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It says I'll start
with John 16 verse 17,
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"Nevertheless, I
tell you the truth
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it is to your
advantage that I go away,
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for if I do not go away,
the Comforter or the helper
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will not come to
you, but if I depart,
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I will send him to you."
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The suggestion is
that means Elijah Muhammad,
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but listen to the
other words of Jesus.
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John 14 sorry John 14 verse 26,
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"But the Helper
or the Comforter,
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the Holy Spirit, whom the
Father will send in my name,
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he will teach you all things
and bring to your remembrance
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all things that I
said to you. John 15:26,
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"But when the Helper
comes, whom I shall send to you
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from my Father,
the Spirit of truth
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who proceeds from the
Father, He will testify Me.
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So it's not Elijah Muhammad,
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as well many as
Muslims maybe on that note
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the helper that's talked about,
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the helper that talked about
there is not Elijah Muhammad,
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but the Holy Spirit.
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And by the way John
many people didn't know
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that the prophecy was
established by Jeremiah.
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Jeremiah 47 verse 4,
And I will pray the Father,
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and He will give
you another helper,
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that he may
abide with you forever
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that sounds just
like John doesn't it
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almost the quote exactly,
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but that was
Jeremiah 47 verse 4,
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I will pray the Father,
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and he will give
you another helper,
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that he may
abide with you forever
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and Jesus repeat those words,
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He says the
helper is the Holy Spirit
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whom My father will send.
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Another thing to is
abide with you forever
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that's something
clearly Muhammad has died
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and is not with
us right now. Right.
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So that's not
forever. Very good point.
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All right good, good answer.
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Okay I have a question
about speaking in tongues,
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question that we do
get from time-to-time.
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And it is, it goes as
this, it goes as follows
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and looks like it's
from Dyane, yes Dyane.
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I would like to
understand the meaning
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of the gift of tongues,
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and also why the tongues,
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these tongues are
not practiced at all
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in the SDA Church.
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Interesting here
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the gift of tongues is found
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where its first
scene in Acts Chapter 2
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and so you got to go
there first of all to establish
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what the gifts of
tongues is in practice.
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In other words as
evidenced by the story
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of the gift of tongues
descending upon disciples
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as they prayed
in the upper room.
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So we will do that
in just a moment here,
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but there is a suggestion
here that the gift of tongues
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isn't practice at
all in the SDA Church.
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And I have heard
and this maybe just
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that you haven't
heard accounts of this,
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but I would I've heard
many accounts of individuals
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within the gift of tongue,
within the Adventist Church
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using the gift of tongues
or having bestowed upon them
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the gift of tongues to breakdown
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the barriers to
communicate the gospel
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to others where there is one
that maybe only speaks English
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and the other one speaks
Spanish and they are together
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and the ones speaking English
communicates in a way that
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the one speaking
Spanish clearly hears
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and that's
miracle of God at work.
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But it is in his
own or her own language.
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And so here's what we need
to read from Acts Chapter 2
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and this really the foundation
of all gifts of tongues.
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And I'm reading now from verse 7
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now if you recall they
were in the upper room,
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they were praying for
the gift of the Holy Spirit,
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Holy Spirit comes upon
them and God bestows the gift
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of tongues because
in the immediate sense
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this is what they
needed to be able to
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communicate the gospel. Right.
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So they went out to preach
and that's the first thing
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they did after
being bestowed this gift,
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it was to preach.
And it says in verse 7,
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and these were those
who were being preached to
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"That they were all
amazed and marveled,
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saying to one
and another, Behold,
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are not all these
which speak Galileans?
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And how here we every
man in our own tongue,
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where in we were born.
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So these were Galileans and
they were preaching to people
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who were not
Galileans and the people
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listening to the
preaching were hearing
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in their own
language, their own tongue.
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This John is really the
basis for all expressions
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of the gift of tongues. Right.
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Is to communicate the gospel
where you don't know language
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that the other one
knows, but they can hear it
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in their own
language, simple as that.
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To go further on
that definition is to read
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into the text something
that is not there. Okay.
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It's just simply that,
you are adding to that text
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that something is
not, simply not there.
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And, you know, I don't
know why people are just so bent
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on wanting to use this
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strange language.
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Somehow they feel
they can fool the devil
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and him not being able to
decide what they are saying.
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What so weak about
that is if we believe that
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the Lord is greater, if
He that is with us is greater
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than he that against
us which in fact is true
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if you're in Christ.
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Why do we feel we have
to somehow fool the devil?
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Then there are
others who say well,
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the reason I don't pray it loud
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is because the
devil may hear my prayer.
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I may send a an answer that
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averts me away from God's will.
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Those are crazy things
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that have been conjured up,
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that's spiritualistic term
for the purpose of giving you
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impetus to do something
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that is not really
supported by scripture.
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So don't be side track by
this need to speak in tongues
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when you're not the one
that determines the need.
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The gift, all
the gifts of spirit
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are imparted by
the spirit as he wills.
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Yes, exactly the
spirits, that gifts that we have
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everyone of them amplify
that John for brief moment here
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because you know
these gifts that people
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are wanting so
badly are being pushed
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by many denominational
leaders when in fact the Bible
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is in essence saying
desire the best gifts
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that you may edify the church.
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I wouldn't give you a shovel
if you wanted to be painter,
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it wouldn't really fit.
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I wouldn't give you a
kite if you planned on
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flying that kite in a
closet, it really wouldn't get,
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it will never
get off the ground.
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We have to understand
the gift is proportionate
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to the situation that you're in.
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If you're in a
place like my good friend
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Pastor Doug
Batchelor once one day.
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I don't think he will
mind me sharing the story.
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He used to pick a hitchhikers
years ago and one day
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he picked up a Spanish person
who all the way from Texas
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up to Kouvola where
ever he picked him up,
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they communicated back
and forth without any problem.
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When he got home and the guy
was there for a couple of days
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his friend, I won't
mention Doug's friend name,
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I know him very
well. Said hey, Doug,
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I didn't know you spoke Spanish.
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Doug said I don't
Spanish, he says well
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that's what you
were speaking to that guy
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and Dough didn't even
know he was communicating
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in a different tongue to
a man of a different tongue.
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Did God see the need for
that communication to happen,
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yes he did. And
to finish the story,
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it's very wonderful story.
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The guy confessed
after couple of days
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being with Dough
there in Kouvola, he said,
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you know my
intention was to rob you.
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But somehow God got hold
of me through the journey
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we took together and
my life has been changed.
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And so you see
friends, that was the purpose
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of the gift of tongues
to lead a person to Christ
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because this person
did not understand English
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and Doug did not have the
ability to speak in Spanish,
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but God fix it so,
Doug spoken his language
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the wonderful works of God. Yes.
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That's how that happens,
that's the gift of tongues.
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It's something he
didn't have the ability to do,
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no, but God gave
him that ability.
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And he didn't even ask
for, the Lord, the spirit
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gave him because the
moment required that. Right.
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You know, what gets me, John,
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these preaches many of
them that teach their churches
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to teach, to preach in tongues,
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they will go over
to foreign country
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and take an interpreter
with them. Is that odd. Yeah.
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They say speaking tongues
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as the evidence
of the Holy Spirit.
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they do it in
their church, you know,
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is really call
glossarial confusion,
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but they go to a foreign country
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and they take a
interpreter with them,
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so they don't really
have the gift of tongues.
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Well, speaking of interpreter,
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let me share a
another passage. All right.
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With our viewers
and our listeners,
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1 Corinthians
14 verses 26 to 28.
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Notice this, this
is the practice again
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of the gift of tongues,
How is it then, brethren?
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When ye come together,
every one of you has a psalm,
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has a doctrine, has a
tongue, has a revelation,
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has an interpretation.
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Let all things be
done unto edifying.
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If any man speak in a
tongue, and, you know what,
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some scriptures add
unknown tongue there,
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that is not part of
the original manuscript.
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That's right. It is
not an un-this is not seen
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as unknown tongue,
tongues are languages spoken
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that others know, okay.
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So in this specific
Bible I got here the word
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unknown as italicized, becuase
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it doesn't
appear on the original.
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So if anyone speaks in
an unknown tongue or tongue
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let it be by two, or most
by three, and that by course,
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let it be let one interpret.
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"But if there is no
interpreter' notice this,
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this is a rule 'let him
keep silence in the church,
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and let him speak to
himself, has to God."'
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All right, so if
there is no interpreter
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and this will John has broken
over and over and over again.
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You and I went to meet with
a minister of your community
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very locally here and
we spend sometime with them
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and you know the object is
to just get to know each other
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and get to know each others
face and built relationships
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and bridges there. And
this one guy step forward,
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I don't know if
you remember this,
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he starts-speaking in tongues.
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Everybody you could see
those who are part of the church
00:21:49.62\00:21:52.68
that she did this
start getting wild up,
00:21:52.69\00:21:55.55
remember that
and there was getting
00:21:55.56\00:21:56.71
an increasingly excitement
I'm thinking to myself
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right there, where
is the interpreter here.
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We're breaking all kinds
of rules and this is over
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I see this repeatedly, they
are breaking their own rules.
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Well she finally settles down,
00:22:07.32\00:22:09.12
everybody else
does and you stepped in,
00:22:09.13\00:22:10.98
I remember this very distinctly.
00:22:10.99\00:22:12.03
You stepped in,
you said I've a song
00:22:12.04\00:22:13.51
that I want to kind
of share with everybody.
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And during your song everybody
was at peace in worship,
00:22:16.16\00:22:20.77
it was like a
contrast of black and white,
00:22:20.78\00:22:23.84
darkness confusion
and then during the song
00:22:23.85\00:22:27.28
it was this that's the
gospel being communicated.
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And so even just, that's
just one story of many stories
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we can tell you about this.
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The gift of tongues
is so misinterpreted
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and so misused
today, I truly can say with
00:22:40.36\00:22:45.07
absolute conviction
that there is a false,
00:22:45.08\00:22:49.55
a counterfeit tongues going
around and Christian Churches
00:22:49.56\00:22:53.58
are playing a huge part in
propagating that counterfeit.
00:22:53.59\00:23:00.10
That's true. Christians
are the first offenders,
00:23:00.11\00:23:03.36
because for some reason
one of the deception that Satan
00:23:03.37\00:23:07.62
has infiltrated
the church with is,
00:23:07.63\00:23:11.27
this whole idea of
speaking in tongues.
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But John I
would like you to read
00:23:13.82\00:23:15.87
Revelation Chapter
16 verse 13 and 14.
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And when you read that I
want you to note specifically
00:23:20.39\00:23:24.79
where deception is introduced,
00:23:24.80\00:23:28.32
where deception is introduced,
00:23:28.33\00:23:30.86
listen to this verse 13 and 14.
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"And I saw three
unclean spirits like frogs
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coming out of the
mouth of the dragon,
00:23:37.90\00:23:42.18
out of the mouth of the beast,
00:23:42.19\00:23:43.59
and out of the mouth
of the false prophet.
00:23:43.60\00:23:46.45
For they are the spirits
of devils, working miracles,
00:23:46.46\00:23:50.82
which go forth unto
the kings of the earth
00:23:50.83\00:23:52.96
and of the whole
world, to gather them
00:23:52.97\00:23:55.45
to the battle of that
great day of God Almighty.
00:23:55.46\00:23:58.28
What better way to gather
people than through the mouth,
00:23:58.29\00:24:01.81
false doctrines, false exercise
00:24:01.82\00:24:05.37
of the gift of the spirit,
miracles, miracles, you know,
00:24:05.38\00:24:09.60
when you mention
miracle service now days,
00:24:09.61\00:24:11.17
people come out in the
drove buses come out pack
00:24:11.18\00:24:15.13
because they
want this instant pill
00:24:15.14\00:24:17.52
and America particularly is
a great offender in this area,
00:24:17.53\00:24:21.66
because the gospel has been,
00:24:21.67\00:24:23.44
has become an
enterprise in America,
00:24:23.45\00:24:25.61
is a biggest way to make money.
00:24:25.62\00:24:27.45
And so there are many
people that are using the gospel
00:24:29.18\00:24:31.16
for selfish motives, I talked
about that in a series I did.
00:24:31.17\00:24:34.56
But this out of the
mouth, out of the mouth,
00:24:34.57\00:24:36.01
out of the mouth, glossarial,
00:24:36.02\00:24:38.71
the false use of
the gift of tongues,
00:24:38.72\00:24:41.28
miracles the
false use of miracle
00:24:41.29\00:24:44.40
for the purpose of leading
people to ignore the plain
00:24:44.41\00:24:47.44
"Thus saith the Lord"
00:24:47.45\00:24:48.65
and accept the
miracle in replacement for it.
00:24:48.66\00:24:51.00
So you see
clearly the devil said,
00:24:51.01\00:24:52.44
I'm going to use
the mouth to deceive
00:24:52.45\00:24:55.18
and that's exactly what
the tongues movement is,
00:24:55.19\00:24:57.42
the use of the mouth for
the purpose of deception.
00:24:57.43\00:25:00.05
Jesus said that your
father, the devil is a liar
00:25:00.06\00:25:02.63
and he has been a liar
from the very beginning.
00:25:02.64\00:25:03.91
Yes, everything
he says is a lie.
00:25:03.92\00:25:06.62
And so anyway here
is the last one I think,
00:25:06.63\00:25:09.85
well, maybe the last one.
00:25:09.86\00:25:12.29
I'm trying to make it
through with this cold hampering
00:25:12.30\00:25:14.74
me here, so be patient with me.
00:25:14.75\00:25:16.64
Greetings in Jesus
Christ, I'm concerned because
00:25:17.84\00:25:19.87
several women in our
fellowship have wandered
00:25:19.88\00:25:23.00
into the word of faith movement
00:25:23.01\00:25:25.18
through popular
television evangelists
00:25:25.19\00:25:28.30
and not
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:25:28.31\00:25:31.46
They have been insisting
that if you can believe anything
00:25:31.47\00:25:33.98
according to the God's will,
so the salvation of loved ones
00:25:33.99\00:25:38.02
and not a doubt
it will come to pass.
00:25:38.03\00:25:39.91
In other words, if my
mother does not find her way
00:25:39.92\00:25:42.87
to salvation it is my
fault, because I did not excuse,
00:25:42.88\00:25:47.65
I did not exercise in our faith,
00:25:47.66\00:25:49.83
or if some one's
husband does not come back
00:25:49.84\00:25:52.22
to the marriage,
it is their fault.
00:25:52.23\00:25:55.41
The fault of the one
praying for the outcome
00:25:55.42\00:25:58.15
that because she didn't
have or exercising her faith
00:25:58.16\00:26:02.13
after all God hates divorce.
00:26:02.14\00:26:07.06
So what is the correct
way to view the passage
00:26:07.07\00:26:10.01
in Matthew 17 and verse 20,
00:26:10.02\00:26:12.50
let's go there
Matthew 17 verse 20.
00:26:12.51\00:26:14.41
This passage reads as follows
00:26:17.04\00:26:20.32
because of your unbelief
00:26:20.33\00:26:22.32
for shortly I say to you
and John I'd like you to read
00:26:23.59\00:26:26.14
the verse before
that I have it right,
00:26:26.15\00:26:27.48
I brought up from my
computer but read verse 19
00:26:27.49\00:26:30.49
and see this
connect us in the context.
00:26:30.50\00:26:34.57
Then came disciples
to Jesus apart, and said,
00:26:34.58\00:26:37.85
Why could we not cast him out?
00:26:37.86\00:26:39.84
That is they
tried to cast our demons
00:26:39.85\00:26:41.98
and there weren't
able to do it. Right.
00:26:41.99\00:26:44.45
"And Jesus said to
them, Because of your unbelief
00:26:44.46\00:26:47.86
for verily I say
unto you, If ye have faith
00:26:47.87\00:26:50.27
as a grain of mustard seed,
00:26:50.28\00:26:51.59
ye shall say unto this mountain,
00:26:51.60\00:26:53.37
Remove hence to yonder place,
00:26:53.38\00:26:56.82
and it shall remove,
00:26:56.83\00:26:58.04
and nothing shall be
impossible unto you."
00:26:58.05\00:27:01.19
So the bottom-line
is here as Jesus said,
00:27:01.20\00:27:04.24
simply it says, be it unto
you according to your faith,
00:27:04.25\00:27:07.69
faith has lot to do
with, that's just one factor.
00:27:07.70\00:27:10.65
But the Lord
works in other ways,
00:27:10.66\00:27:13.02
let me use my
life as an example.
00:27:13.03\00:27:15.70
As a teenager I love the church,
00:27:15.71\00:27:18.67
went out into the
world for many years,
00:27:18.68\00:27:20.11
the lady who raised me
in the church did not know
00:27:20.12\00:27:21.69
what happened to me,
I went out of the world.
00:27:21.70\00:27:24.18
And somebody may
say, well, but she prayed
00:27:24.19\00:27:28.07
she prayed for him to
be saved, well, you know,
00:27:28.08\00:27:30.96
what the problem is lot of times
00:27:30.97\00:27:32.57
we want it to happen our way,
00:27:32.58\00:27:34.80
on our time
according to our clock.
00:27:34.81\00:27:38.95
Against the
free will of another.
00:27:38.96\00:27:40.39
Against the
free will of another.
00:27:40.40\00:27:42.43
A couple things
you need to know,
00:27:42.44\00:27:43.67
as God does not enforce
Himself or force Himself
00:27:43.68\00:27:46.44
where He is not invited.
00:27:46.45\00:27:47.80
Secondly, God does do something.
00:27:47.81\00:27:50.93
Hosea says, I
will not allow Gomer,
00:27:50.94\00:27:55.19
she would pursue her
lovers' the thing she like,
00:27:55.20\00:27:57.44
but she will never
catch up with them.
00:27:57.45\00:27:59.19
And there are many
people pursuing the things
00:27:59.20\00:28:00.53
they like and the
reason why they don't catch up
00:28:00.54\00:28:02.77
with them or have
satisfaction in those areas,
00:28:02.78\00:28:04.83
because, is
because we prayed for them.
00:28:04.84\00:28:07.31
He said Lord,
they are not in Christ,
00:28:07.32\00:28:10.37
I pray that one
day they will be saved,
00:28:10.38\00:28:12.61
let that one day
be in God's timetable.
00:28:12.62\00:28:16.15
So the people that say, well,
00:28:16.16\00:28:17.17
you didn't have enough faith no.
00:28:17.18\00:28:18.72
No there is this
word of faith in ministry
00:28:18.73\00:28:21.29
going around now a days.
00:28:21.30\00:28:23.51
They talk about not
the faith to move mountain,
00:28:23.52\00:28:26.90
but the faith to
move your pocketbook
00:28:26.91\00:28:29.74
or the faith to
plant a seed of faith,
00:28:29.75\00:28:33.24
that's what they are doing
in essence it's a another way
00:28:33.25\00:28:35.43
to deceive people, deceive
this the minds of the simple.
00:28:35.44\00:28:39.32
So here it is, well,
God respond to your life
00:28:39.33\00:28:42.07
according to your faith, yes.
00:28:42.08\00:28:44.36
But if you pray to somebody
else or force someone else
00:28:44.37\00:28:47.19
give God the latitude
and freedom to work it out
00:28:47.20\00:28:50.04
in his timetable in
harmony with their human heart,
00:28:50.05\00:28:54.06
he will not allow them to go
down the wrong path eternally,
00:28:54.07\00:28:58.75
because He is
still pursuing them,
00:28:58.76\00:29:00.67
but even if they
choose not to follow Him,
00:29:00.68\00:29:02.76
the Lord will so
work out situations
00:29:02.77\00:29:04.56
that they will not find pleasure
00:29:04.57\00:29:06.86
in the things that they pursue.
00:29:06.87\00:29:08.58
I know that, I can give you
00:29:08.59\00:29:09.99
some personal experience
there, but it's not warranted.
00:29:10.00\00:29:13.34
Let the Lord save that person
00:29:13.35\00:29:14.92
according to His own timetable.
00:29:14.93\00:29:16.25
I could suggest.
Yeah. I will suggest. Okay.
00:29:16.26\00:29:19.60
Jesus in the
Garden of Gethsemane
00:29:19.61\00:29:21.06
prayed that they cut my
past from him. That's right.
00:29:21.07\00:29:23.79
Was that prayer
not a prayer of faith?
00:29:23.80\00:29:25.94
Very much so. It
was a prayer of faith,
00:29:25.95\00:29:28.14
Jesus always prayed in faith.
00:29:28.15\00:29:29.94
And what did He add to that.
00:29:29.95\00:29:30.92
He added, but not My
will, thou will be done.
00:29:30.93\00:29:34.22
That's right. And so he left
00:29:34.23\00:29:35.59
it in God's hand
this is what we're saying,
00:29:35.60\00:29:37.79
pray with all faith,
but leave it in God's hand.
00:29:37.80\00:29:40.52
That's right. Not just name it,
00:29:40.53\00:29:42.70
claim it and you got it.
00:29:42.71\00:29:45.50
As a matter of
fact there is a phrase
00:29:45.51\00:29:47.60
that the prosperity theology,
people that are opponents
00:29:47.61\00:29:50.37
to the prosperity
theology, they said opponents
00:29:50.38\00:29:53.37
to our prosperity theology
have given the teachings
00:29:53.38\00:29:55.81
a number of negative label
such as "Name It and Claim It"
00:29:55.82\00:30:00.65
and Blab It and Grab It"
00:30:00.66\00:30:04.57
excuse us for the levity,
but that's the funny one.
00:30:04.58\00:30:07.41
"Blab It and Grab
It". "Blab It and Grab It"
00:30:07.42\00:30:08.63
or "Name It and Claim It"
00:30:08.64\00:30:10.05
that just that's
entrepreneurship in America.
00:30:10.06\00:30:12.43
We have found many in
diverse ways of getting money
00:30:12.44\00:30:15.25
from people and
this is just another way,
00:30:15.26\00:30:17.83
word of faith
"Name It and Claim It"
00:30:17.84\00:30:19.49
and what they're talking about
primarily is how much money
00:30:19.50\00:30:21.66
they could name and how
much money they could claim
00:30:21.67\00:30:23.90
look at the bottom-line,
it's financial not spiritual.
00:30:23.91\00:30:26.81
That's right, right.
00:30:26.82\00:30:27.89
Well, thank you
for your questions.
00:30:27.90\00:30:30.82
I know that
we've, taken the time,
00:30:30.83\00:30:33.18
we generally try to get
there at lease three questions.
00:30:33.19\00:30:36.22
But comments will come
forth from you and questions
00:30:36.23\00:30:39.29
may come forth from you.
00:30:39.30\00:30:40.74
If you have any
questions or comments
00:30:40.75\00:30:41.91
you can send them
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00:30:41.92\00:30:45.26
that's housecalls@3abn.org
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00:30:45.27\00:30:48.96
for your faithfulness,
you know you pray for us,
00:30:48.97\00:30:51.46
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You send us questions,
00:30:51.47\00:30:53.01
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00:30:59.90\00:31:02.46
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So thank you for that.
00:31:02.47\00:31:05.94
John lay the foundation
for our topic today because
00:31:05.95\00:31:08.21
we're winding up on
"Why So Many Denominations"?
00:31:08.22\00:31:11.04
Yeah there is, we've
been talking about of course
00:31:11.05\00:31:13.25
the Mother Church of all
denominations and we explained
00:31:13.26\00:31:17.16
how we arrived at that
title from the word of God.
00:31:17.17\00:31:20.38
We're using
Revelation 12, Revelation 17.
00:31:20.39\00:31:24.02
We've also began to explore
the harlots or her children,
00:31:24.03\00:31:28.05
the harlot and her children,
the children that came out of,
00:31:28.06\00:31:31.01
came from her from Revelation 17
00:31:31.02\00:31:33.34
and we've looked at
various Christian denominations
00:31:33.35\00:31:35.15
not covering them all,
but generally just covering
00:31:35.16\00:31:37.58
some basic principles of
some of the major denominations
00:31:37.59\00:31:40.89
and shown where they are in
harmony with some scriptures,
00:31:40.90\00:31:43.82
not in harmony with other
scriptures and that those that
00:31:43.83\00:31:46.55
they are not in
harmony with often come from
00:31:46.56\00:31:48.90
the Mother Church
Babylon, the Church of Rome.
00:31:48.91\00:31:52.21
But now we're getting to an area
00:31:52.22\00:31:54.01
where there is a
couple of churches
00:31:54.02\00:31:55.34
that claim complete
divergence from Rome,
00:31:55.35\00:31:58.85
they don't claim any connection
00:31:58.86\00:32:00.06
or line to the
authority of the Church of Rome.
00:32:00.07\00:32:03.80
Yet we will find
in both of these,
00:32:03.81\00:32:05.66
there is an
absolute connection to it,
00:32:05.67\00:32:08.34
just the same as the
others, not only that,
00:32:08.35\00:32:10.82
we're gonna find
that these two churches
00:32:10.83\00:32:13.60
diverged significantly from
what commonly is referred to
00:32:13.61\00:32:17.95
at least in general
refer to is orthodoxy,
00:32:17.96\00:32:20.83
the general orthodoxy
of the Christian faith.
00:32:20.84\00:32:23.95
And so these two
we'll talk about today
00:32:23.96\00:32:26.29
our Jehovah
Witnesses and the Mormon Church
00:32:26.30\00:32:29.37
or the Church of Jesus
Christ Latter-day Saints.
00:32:29.38\00:32:33.09
You know John I often said,
00:32:33.10\00:32:36.08
as Adventist we
are latter-day saints
00:32:36.09\00:32:38.57
and we are
witnesses for Jehovah. Yeah.
00:32:38.58\00:32:40.80
But we don't fall into the label
00:32:40.81\00:32:42.19
of the Jehovah's witnesses
nor do we fall unto the label
00:32:42.20\00:32:44.75
of Mormon Church, because
we don't hold many things
00:32:44.76\00:32:47.91
in common with them,
but they are some things,
00:32:47.92\00:32:49.91
what I like to do is
as we begin with the,
00:32:49.92\00:32:52.52
with the Jehovah Witnesses,
let me outline the ones
00:32:52.53\00:32:56.36
we hold in common and
then I'll have you amplify,
00:32:56.37\00:32:58.89
we'll go back and forth on.
00:32:58.90\00:33:00.09
But we can go back
one, two, three, four, five
00:33:00.10\00:33:01.70
and go to the ones
that we hold in common.
00:33:01.71\00:33:04.01
First of all
some of the doctrines
00:33:04.02\00:33:06.07
that we hold in common
that are scripturally support,
00:33:06.08\00:33:08.92
scripturally
supported by the Bible.
00:33:08.93\00:33:12.50
Is the priest of, the
priest would have all believers
00:33:12.51\00:33:15.42
and all are
called to be witnesses.
00:33:15.43\00:33:18.15
Accountability. Right.
00:33:18.16\00:33:20.30
Acts 5 verse 29 and 32,
00:33:20.31\00:33:25.54
we all His witnesses
00:33:25.55\00:33:27.14
and so else where
those who obey Him.
00:33:27.15\00:33:30.26
He gives a spirit
to those who obey Him,
00:33:30.27\00:33:32.43
those who are filled by
the Holy Spirit are witnesses.
00:33:32.44\00:33:35.05
And by the way
when we're witnesses,
00:33:35.06\00:33:36.38
we are not
witnesses for ourselves,
00:33:36.39\00:33:38.43
we are witnesses for
Christ, witnesses of Christ.
00:33:38.44\00:33:43.32
Very good, you know,
the one that actually
00:33:43.33\00:33:46.35
we agree with as Adventist
that is found in the Bible
00:33:46.36\00:33:49.34
is also accepted
by Jehovah's Witnesses
00:33:49.35\00:33:52.27
is the condition upon
death or the State of a Dead.
00:33:52.28\00:33:56.00
And that is that, when one dies
00:33:56.01\00:34:00.68
there is no immortal soul
00:34:00.69\00:34:02.13
that goes on to exist in heaven
00:34:02.14\00:34:03.77
in its own conscious state,
00:34:03.78\00:34:05.11
but there is a returning
00:34:05.12\00:34:09.32
of the body to dust
00:34:09.33\00:34:11.21
and a returning
to God of the spirit
00:34:11.22\00:34:14.16
which is the essence of
life, the breath of life itself
00:34:14.17\00:34:17.38
which will one day be restored
00:34:17.39\00:34:18.82
back to them at
the resurrection.
00:34:18.83\00:34:21.11
Now the resurrection
is we have differences
00:34:21.12\00:34:23.68
of opinion there, but
at least the condition
00:34:23.69\00:34:25.45
upon death we do agree
that they have that right
00:34:25.46\00:34:28.22
according to the scriptures.
00:34:28.23\00:34:30.42
The other one is the
Annihilation of the Wicked.
00:34:30.43\00:34:34.07
We also believe
that sinners cannot burn
00:34:34.08\00:34:35.89
for ever and ever, because
they don't have eternal life.
00:34:35.90\00:34:38.69
Jehovah's
Witnesses also believe that,
00:34:38.70\00:34:41.07
that God will not
burn sinners in hell
00:34:41.08\00:34:43.16
for millions of years,
but they will ultimately
00:34:43.17\00:34:46.58
be consumed supported
by the Bible, number four.
00:34:46.59\00:34:50.38
Baptism by Emersion
and so that's something
00:34:50.39\00:34:53.78
that they believe
in which is biblical.
00:34:53.79\00:34:58.57
And finally. Signs
of the Times. Go ahead.
00:34:58.58\00:35:01.60
In the eminent end of the world,
00:35:01.61\00:35:03.98
we disagree to what that
end and how that end will be?
00:35:03.99\00:35:07.06
But we do believe that,
the Bible does give us signs
00:35:07.07\00:35:09.56
that the end is near
and they agree with that,
00:35:09.57\00:35:11.78
they, they believe the same.
00:35:11.79\00:35:13.29
You know the, when
you look at the inception
00:35:13.30\00:35:16.40
and the growth of
the Jehovah's Witnesses,
00:35:16.41\00:35:20.77
a man by the name of Russell.
00:35:20.78\00:35:25.25
They used to be called
Russellites and, you know,
00:35:25.26\00:35:28.72
I lived in Brooklyn, New York,
where they have their major
00:35:28.73\00:35:33.92
international headquarters
of Jehovah's Witnesses
00:35:33.93\00:35:36.25
is in Brooklyn, New York.
00:35:36.26\00:35:38.03
We, when you go on
to Brooklyn bridge,
00:35:38.04\00:35:39.52
you pass by this big building,
00:35:39.53\00:35:42.30
when you're going on the
Brooklyn bridge from Brooklyn
00:35:42.31\00:35:44.86
and you make that first turn,
00:35:44.87\00:35:46.16
you see this big signs cynicism,
00:35:46.17\00:35:47.83
witness Jehovah's
Witnesses are watch tower.
00:35:47.84\00:35:50.57
And that's where
their main headquarters
00:35:50.58\00:35:52.47
is located there in the
international headquarters
00:35:52.48\00:35:55.60
by the way in
Brooklyn, New York.
00:35:55.61\00:35:58.25
But, the biggest,
the biggest concern
00:35:58.26\00:36:02.03
I have with this
particular denomination
00:36:02.04\00:36:04.59
is that Jesus is demoted.
00:36:04.60\00:36:07.90
I mean, Jesus is the lesser God
00:36:07.91\00:36:10.68
and his Father
is the greater God.
00:36:10.69\00:36:12.90
They don't look at
Jesus as being equal
00:36:12.91\00:36:14.82
with the Father in
anyway. They say, well,
00:36:14.83\00:36:17.72
you know, he has
some characteristics,
00:36:17.73\00:36:19.34
but God is greater
than Him and He is lesser.
00:36:19.35\00:36:21.81
And they look at those
statements that Jesus made
00:36:21.82\00:36:23.67
in the New
Testament, where He said,
00:36:23.68\00:36:25.46
there is none good
but one that is God, oh,
00:36:25.47\00:36:28.44
my father is greater
than me and they put that
00:36:28.45\00:36:30.93
in the context of,
that means at all times
00:36:30.94\00:36:34.21
what he was talking about
that was in his condensation
00:36:34.22\00:36:36.31
mode as a human
walking the earth.
00:36:36.32\00:36:39.83
Surely, God, in human
flesh is not as great as He was
00:36:39.84\00:36:45.11
saying the God,
He was saying that
00:36:45.12\00:36:46.90
as He was in human flesh,
00:36:46.91\00:36:48.79
His father was
greater than He is.
00:36:48.80\00:36:51.60
But I want to look at
some of the parallels John,
00:36:51.61\00:36:54.01
and walk us through
that because there are some,
00:36:54.02\00:36:55.80
there are some similar parallels
00:36:55.81\00:36:57.25
between the word Jehovah.
00:36:57.26\00:36:59.71
And by the way the word Jehovah
00:36:59.72\00:37:03.11
is not prevalent
orthodox scripture,
00:37:03.12\00:37:05.43
it was written in different
ways like Yahova, not "J",
00:37:05.44\00:37:09.31
the letter "J" was not
used there, was the letter "Y".
00:37:09.32\00:37:13.24
But look at some of the
parallels between Jehovah
00:37:13.25\00:37:17.32
and Jesus and see if
they are the same person.
00:37:17.33\00:37:19.60
Yeah, John,
there Jehovah is God,
00:37:19.61\00:37:22.66
that's the name they
use for God and, Jesus,
00:37:22.67\00:37:25.05
it says all together different.
00:37:25.06\00:37:26.15
So let's look at the text.
That make them the same. Okay.
00:37:26.16\00:37:30.09
Okay, so number
one, Jehovah is Glory.
00:37:30.10\00:37:33.87
We get that from
Isaiah 42 verse 8.
00:37:33.88\00:37:36.68
Jesus is Glory, Matthew 16:27
parallel, connection there.
00:37:36.69\00:37:42.51
Jehovah is
creator, Isaiah 40 verse 28,
00:37:42.52\00:37:46.30
Jesus is creator,
Ephesians 3:9. Clear.
00:37:46.31\00:37:50.43
Jehovah is
redeemer, Isaiah 33:22,
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Jesus is redeemer,
Acts 4:12. Clear again.
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Jehovah is judge, Isaiah 33:22,
00:37:59.56\00:38:02.90
Jesus is judge, John
5:22. Jehovah is king,
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Isaiah 33:22, Jesus is
king, Revelation 19:11to 16.
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That's right.
Jehovah is the rock,
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Deuteronomy 32:3 and 4,
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Jesus is the rock
1 Corinthians 10:4.
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And Jehovah is
beginning, has a beginning
00:38:20.29\00:38:22.90
and has no beginning and ending,
00:38:22.91\00:38:25.10
Jesus has no
beginning and ending either,
00:38:25.11\00:38:27.77
Jehovah's Isaiah 41:4,
Jesus', the reference for Him
00:38:27.78\00:38:31.75
is Revelation 1:8 through 11.
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Same person, Jehovah is Christ,
00:38:34.28\00:38:38.09
Christ is fully God and
the Bible is clear on that.
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Now John, I've met
with Jehovah witnesses,
00:38:41.08\00:38:44.63
I'm sure you have
too in your house,
00:38:44.64\00:38:46.66
they usually--I got one shot,
00:38:46.67\00:38:49.45
because they don't come
back after one opportunity,
00:38:49.46\00:38:52.03
but I sit down
with them on one time
00:38:52.04\00:38:54.91
and here's two
things that really,
00:38:54.92\00:38:58.17
I think are deceptive as far as
00:38:58.18\00:39:00.60
practices are
concerned. All right.
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Number one, you
have to use their Bible,
00:39:02.72\00:39:06.22
because the other
Bibles misinterpret it.
00:39:06.23\00:39:08.24
What that is
saying is that, God to me,
00:39:08.25\00:39:11.74
it is saying that God,
that I should not trust
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in the Bible as God has
passed it down through time.
00:39:16.56\00:39:21.61
Where God says his
word could be trusted,
00:39:21.62\00:39:23.98
I should now not trust
the word, I need to trust
00:39:23.99\00:39:26.12
in the Jehovah's Witness's
translation of the word,
00:39:26.13\00:39:29.49
okay that's problematic.
00:39:29.50\00:39:31.13
The second thing
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is they will not
read any material
00:39:32.12\00:39:37.54
except that is
produced by their church,
00:39:37.55\00:39:42.09
by the Watchtower Society,
whereas as an Adventist,
00:39:42.10\00:39:47.09
it's permissible to
explore my faith by reading
00:39:47.10\00:39:50.16
other material to validate
that what I believe is true.
00:39:50.17\00:39:53.74
That's right. So
it's even encouraged
00:39:53.75\00:39:55.64
in our studying to look at
extra material to make sure
00:39:55.65\00:39:58.76
that what I believe
and what I have held
00:39:58.77\00:40:01.90
is truth is accurate.
00:40:01.91\00:40:03.77
Right, where,
they are not even given
00:40:03.78\00:40:05.68
the opportunity to do that.
00:40:05.69\00:40:07.23
So they will--they have
a free dialogue for a time,
00:40:07.24\00:40:09.55
but they won't get
into a serious study
00:40:09.56\00:40:11.91
using another book,
Bible, except their own,
00:40:11.92\00:40:15.25
nor will they read any
material you want to give them
00:40:15.26\00:40:17.64
to help them study
on their own. Right.
00:40:17.65\00:40:19.82
So they've actually
cut themselves completely
00:40:19.83\00:40:21.66
off to any
influence that the Holy Spirit
00:40:21.67\00:40:25.25
might be giving
them or leading them
00:40:25.26\00:40:27.65
to a different
understanding of the gospel
00:40:27.66\00:40:30.27
than what they hold.
00:40:30.28\00:40:31.97
You know, to say
reality is if Jesus,
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And that's cultic,
I'm sorry that's cultic.
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Okay, I'm glad you said that.
00:40:35.46\00:40:37.00
The reality of it is,
00:40:37.01\00:40:40.82
if my religion cannot stand up
00:40:40.83\00:40:43.50
to the test of scrutiny,
00:40:43.51\00:40:45.78
then really it
has no foundation,
00:40:45.79\00:40:47.41
because the Bible says,
the winds and the ways of life
00:40:47.42\00:40:50.02
will beat with all
force against our homes,
00:40:50.03\00:40:52.69
but anything established
on the rock will make it
00:40:52.70\00:40:55.77
through wil stand.
00:40:55.78\00:40:57.10
And so that's--what
is often done in having
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met with many
Jehovah's Witnesses in New York,
00:40:59.87\00:41:02.21
I have met them in California,
where I lived in to study,
00:41:02.22\00:41:06.76
to study, to study
and the topic of Jesus
00:41:06.77\00:41:08.68
is one that is
repetitious topic.
00:41:08.69\00:41:11.73
If for some reason
they are trying to get Jesus
00:41:11.74\00:41:13.61
out of the picture as the
one through whom we are saved.
00:41:13.62\00:41:17.59
How can you be saved by the one
00:41:17.60\00:41:20.67
that you teach has been created?
00:41:20.68\00:41:24.60
He is either the
creator, or he is the created.
00:41:24.61\00:41:27.65
If he is the one
that was created,
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He can't redeem us.
00:41:29.29\00:41:30.61
He himself needs
a redeemer. Right.
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Because nobody who is
created can be the redeemer,
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you see, so
what's the biggest issue
00:41:37.88\00:41:39.71
with this defying or this de,
00:41:39.72\00:41:44.74
yeah, defying of Jesus.
00:41:44.75\00:41:46.28
They are just lowering
Him from being almighty God
00:41:46.29\00:41:51.01
to being mighty God.
00:41:51.02\00:41:52.19
But there are
number of scriptures that
00:41:52.20\00:41:53.74
really the Jehovah's
Witnesses have a hard time with.
00:41:53.75\00:41:57.03
I, one Sunday morning,
used one of their Bibles,
00:41:57.04\00:42:01.23
when I met a young man
by the steps of my house
00:42:01.24\00:42:03.73
as I was on my way to play
basketball and had his Bible.
00:42:03.74\00:42:07.23
And he said to me, you know, no,
00:42:07.24\00:42:08.37
you can't use any other
Bible and they also believe
00:42:08.38\00:42:10.59
the Sabbath is done away with.
00:42:10.60\00:42:11.62
They believe the Commandments
00:42:11.63\00:42:12.60
went out of the cross
and number of other things.
00:42:12.61\00:42:15.19
But he wanted to
use his Bible to show me
00:42:15.20\00:42:17.70
that the
Commandments were done away,
00:42:17.71\00:42:18.86
but then they are
all bundled together.
00:42:18.87\00:42:20.80
And I showed them
this text and by the way
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if you ever have an opportunity
to use a New World Translation,
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here is something you can do.
00:42:26.06\00:42:27.60
And this is just go to
Deuteronomy 5 and verse 22,
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now, you will see something.
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I will just punch it
up on my computer here,
00:42:34.04\00:42:36.33
thank the Lord for technology
00:42:36.34\00:42:40.42
and in Deuteronomy 5 verse 22,
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this is the text that in
the New World Translation,
00:42:44.65\00:42:48.09
it really
punches away at the idea
00:42:48.10\00:42:50.41
that all the Commandments
were coupled together.
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If you look at this
text, the New World Translation
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it reads as follows.
00:42:55.88\00:42:57.00
This is the New Kings
James version by the way.
00:42:57.01\00:42:59.67
And it says, these
words the Lord spoke
00:42:59.68\00:43:01.18
to all the assembly in
a midst in the mountain,
00:43:01.19\00:43:04.90
from the midst of
the fire, the cloud
00:43:04.91\00:43:06.81
and the thick darkness
00:43:06.82\00:43:08.44
with a loud voice
and he added no more.
00:43:08.45\00:43:11.32
That is when He
gave the commandments,
00:43:11.33\00:43:12.73
He added no
more, He wrote them on
00:43:12.74\00:43:14.97
two tablets of
stone and gave them to me.
00:43:14.98\00:43:17.63
In the New World
Translation, it says,
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and he added nothing.
00:43:20.26\00:43:24.09
So Ten Commandments,
and how much that he add?
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Nothing, I use
that Sunday morning,
00:43:26.83\00:43:30.58
that Sunday morning many
years ago in New York City
00:43:30.59\00:43:32.87
was standing there with
my basketball uniform on,
00:43:32.88\00:43:35.58
this tall straightly
young man was gonna train
00:43:35.59\00:43:38.86
two Jehovah's Witnesses
girls by grand standing me.
00:43:38.87\00:43:43.02
Well, they end up walking away,
00:43:43.03\00:43:44.92
because his own
Bible condemn the idea
00:43:44.93\00:43:47.44
that the Commandments
are coupled all in one
00:43:47.45\00:43:50.25
bundled together
with all the other laws
00:43:50.26\00:43:52.49
and ceremonial
rituals of the Jewish faith.
00:43:52.50\00:43:55.22
It says and he added nothing,
how much did he add? Nothing.
00:43:55.23\00:43:59.44
He couldn't do
anything with that,
00:43:59.45\00:44:00.96
so they walked away.
00:44:00.97\00:44:02.30
But here is the
bottom-line, whenever a person
00:44:02.31\00:44:05.97
is leading you to minimize Jesus
00:44:05.98\00:44:08.11
and this is huge,
00:44:08.12\00:44:09.65
bit of Sunday sacredness
and immortality of the soul,
00:44:09.66\00:44:12.57
this is just as
diabolical when you say the one
00:44:12.58\00:44:14.98
who has just saved you
00:44:14.99\00:44:16.10
is really a created being,
00:44:16.11\00:44:18.34
you have just
cancel your salvation,
00:44:18.35\00:44:20.27
because he can't save you.
00:44:20.28\00:44:21.68
Because the creator,
and you made the statement,
00:44:21.69\00:44:24.79
I want to restate,
the creator can only save,
00:44:24.80\00:44:26.99
He is the only one
that can save His creation.
00:44:27.00\00:44:29.28
Right, and the reason
for that is there has to be
00:44:29.29\00:44:31.17
a link between
us and our redeemer,
00:44:31.18\00:44:34.51
so that where by
we as created beings
00:44:34.52\00:44:37.22
can reach up and clasp or grab
00:44:37.23\00:44:39.71
the hand of divinity to elevate
us above the sin that we have.
00:44:39.72\00:44:44.78
Right, we are utterly
depended upon our creator
00:44:44.79\00:44:47.09
being fully God and fully man,
00:44:47.10\00:44:50.35
that link has to be together.
00:44:50.36\00:44:51.93
And if you are
saying He is lesser God
00:44:51.94\00:44:54.61
and man which I don't even
think they had the man part,
00:44:54.62\00:44:57.21
just see He is a lesser God,
right, then it completely blows
00:44:57.22\00:45:00.08
out of the water
salvation and I am sorry,
00:45:00.09\00:45:03.48
that's a huge problem.
00:45:03.49\00:45:04.46
Let's just share a few others
00:45:04.47\00:45:05.66
because we have
another one before we finish,
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we have about few minute,
not too many minutes left here.
00:45:07.66\00:45:10.44
Okay, Sunday, obviously they
believe in Sunday sacredness,
00:45:10.45\00:45:13.80
one of the things that clearly
00:45:13.81\00:45:16.10
that does it ties them to Rome.
00:45:16.11\00:45:18.47
They would like
not to think that,
00:45:18.48\00:45:20.01
but that's where the
Sunday, you know, the Sabbath
00:45:20.02\00:45:23.62
was apparently or
intended to be changed
00:45:23.63\00:45:26.86
by Roman
Catholicism to being Sunday.
00:45:26.87\00:45:31.96
One of the other
things that they do,
00:45:31.97\00:45:34.22
that teaches it's
very unique is that
00:45:34.23\00:45:35.77
Christ presence
although invisible
00:45:35.78\00:45:39.49
in a spiritual sense
came to this earth in 1914.
00:45:39.50\00:45:45.07
Yes, that's right.
00:45:45.08\00:45:47.21
And there I--we don't
even have time to get into
00:45:47.22\00:45:50.10
all how they arrived at that,
00:45:50.11\00:45:51.41
but when you read scripture,
00:45:51.42\00:45:53.58
you read clearly
that the next time
00:45:53.59\00:45:54.98
He is coming again,
He is coming to receive
00:45:54.99\00:45:57.30
us to Himself that where
we, He is there we may be also.
00:45:57.31\00:46:02.31
So if He came to
this earth, already again,
00:46:02.32\00:46:06.86
we should already be with Him
00:46:06.87\00:46:08.94
and so that is problematic
we find as well with scripture.
00:46:08.95\00:46:13.84
You want to add
anything on that?
00:46:13.85\00:46:15.22
I do, I do, just
to give you a text
00:46:15.23\00:46:17.53
that I talk about a moment ago.
00:46:17.54\00:46:20.31
This passage, Jesus is
obviously the redeemer.
00:46:20.32\00:46:24.49
Listen to this, this
is very powerful passage,
00:46:24.50\00:46:27.32
Isaiah 44 verse
6, and I am reading
00:46:27.33\00:46:29.80
the New Kings James
version, Isaiah 44 verse 6,
00:46:29.81\00:46:35.77
"Thus says the
Lord, the King of Israel,
00:46:35.78\00:46:39.09
and his Redeemer,
the Lord of hosts."
00:46:39.10\00:46:43.54
This is what they
say, "I am the first,
00:46:43.55\00:46:45.98
I am the last,
besides me there is no God."
00:46:45.99\00:46:50.06
And verse 8 says,
"Is there God besides me,
00:46:50.07\00:46:52.96
indeed there is no
other rock, I know not one."
00:46:52.97\00:46:57.68
So you find here the
Redeemer and the father
00:46:57.69\00:47:01.48
literally calling themselves
the first and the last,
00:47:01.49\00:47:05.72
beside me there is no God.
00:47:05.73\00:47:08.43
Clear indication,
not a clear indication
00:47:08.44\00:47:10.47
but a clear statement showing
that divinity is throughout.
00:47:10.48\00:47:13.81
Jesus is not less,
so what you have Father,
00:47:13.82\00:47:17.62
then the Son and the Holy Spirit
00:47:17.63\00:47:19.38
all being lesser,
no, these three are one.
00:47:19.39\00:47:22.15
These three are
unified in the plan of eternity
00:47:22.16\00:47:25.14
and in the plan of salvation.
00:47:25.15\00:47:26.92
Amen, the last thing
that I just mentioned here
00:47:26.93\00:47:29.87
that they do not
support or do not believe
00:47:29.88\00:47:31.91
in His literal
six day creation week.
00:47:31.92\00:47:36.59
They believe that creation
00:47:36.60\00:47:39.68
was 7000 years long,
00:47:39.69\00:47:42.78
probably ties in a day
00:47:42.79\00:47:48.24
is a 1000 years
which is a day to us
00:47:48.25\00:47:53.23
or 1000 years to
us is a day to Christ,
00:47:53.24\00:47:55.31
is that the text
you--, yeah, the day that
00:47:55.32\00:47:57.78
you spoken of God's creation
actually is a 1000 years long
00:47:57.79\00:48:00.59
each one of them which is
where they get to 7000 years.
00:48:00.60\00:48:03.52
Of course
creation was over six days,
00:48:03.53\00:48:05.25
God did not create
on the seventh day,
00:48:05.26\00:48:07.05
He established
and blessed that days
00:48:07.06\00:48:08.89
of day of rest from creation.
00:48:08.90\00:48:10.94
So even their own logic,
00:48:10.95\00:48:14.66
it should be
6000 years but anyway.
00:48:14.67\00:48:16.41
Okay, do you know any
vegetation that can exist
00:48:16.42\00:48:19.59
in darkness for a
1000 years, or 500 years
00:48:19.60\00:48:23.22
and repetitively
speaking, repetitively
00:48:23.23\00:48:26.33
the sad reality that is denying
the very fact of creation,
00:48:26.34\00:48:30.23
so Jehovah's Witnesses
belief not only minimizes
00:48:30.24\00:48:33.70
Jesus to the lesser God,
takes Him out of the rank
00:48:33.71\00:48:36.36
of creator because the creator,
00:48:36.37\00:48:37.74
I mean sorry, takes Him
out of the rank of the redeemer
00:48:37.75\00:48:40.00
because the
redeemer has to be the God.
00:48:40.01\00:48:43.85
And then secondly
he denies the very fact
00:48:43.86\00:48:45.93
of the six literal
creation days of the week.
00:48:45.94\00:48:50.78
All right, now let us go
on to the Mormon Church and,
00:48:50.79\00:48:55.02
you know, as we get
into what they believe here,
00:48:55.03\00:48:59.04
we are going to find
that it's highly divergent
00:48:59.05\00:49:02.36
from the
scriptures as we know it.
00:49:02.37\00:49:05.17
They have another book
called the Book of Mormon
00:49:05.18\00:49:08.05
what they say is
a higher authority
00:49:08.06\00:49:10.10
than the scriptures themselves
00:49:10.11\00:49:11.59
because the
scriptures are only as good as
00:49:11.60\00:49:14.61
they are translated correctly
and so that's the problem
00:49:14.62\00:49:17.92
because again what we find
as with Jehovah's witnesses
00:49:17.93\00:49:20.60
there is
minimizing of the authority
00:49:20.61\00:49:22.63
of the scriptures themselves.
00:49:22.64\00:49:24.08
Of course, you know,
that the logical thought John
00:49:24.09\00:49:26.33
is that if the scriptures
may be translating correctly
00:49:26.34\00:49:30.18
well I can't trust them, right,
00:49:30.19\00:49:31.76
and you destroy the
authority of the Bible that way.
00:49:31.77\00:49:34.88
You know, there are
these four aspects here,
00:49:34.89\00:49:37.17
number one, the
Roman Catholic Church says,
00:49:37.18\00:49:40.13
that tradition is
over the scriptures.
00:49:40.14\00:49:43.62
Then you have in the
reformation Sola Scriptura
00:49:43.63\00:49:46.75
which is the
scriptures of the Bible
00:49:46.76\00:49:48.05
and the Bible only as
the authority for our will
00:49:48.06\00:49:51.57
or our will of faith in practice
00:49:51.58\00:49:53.57
and then you have these
two groups coming along.
00:49:53.58\00:49:55.30
Now, they are saying, well,
it's not properly translated,
00:49:55.31\00:49:57.34
so you can't trust it.
00:49:57.35\00:49:59.37
And then you have
Christian science,
00:49:59.38\00:50:00.85
which is saying
it's all allegorical,
00:50:00.86\00:50:03.85
look at the
attack on God's word.
00:50:03.86\00:50:06.32
It's coming from every angle,
00:50:06.33\00:50:08.25
but the only one
clearly led by God himself
00:50:08.26\00:50:11.06
during the
reformation was Sola Scriptura.
00:50:11.07\00:50:13.77
Right, so if a
denomination doesn't believe
00:50:13.78\00:50:15.92
in the Bible and the Bible only?
00:50:15.93\00:50:18.10
Don't go. Right.
00:50:18.11\00:50:19.33
It's a
dangerous setup-- It's a--
00:50:19.34\00:50:22.16
It's a dangerous setup and
I had a chance to go to Utah
00:50:22.17\00:50:27.36
to the Mormon Temple there
and I asked that very question
00:50:27.37\00:50:30.87
and one of the
I'm using the phase,
00:50:30.88\00:50:34.39
disciples there said.
00:50:34.40\00:50:35.68
Well, as I said, you know,
00:50:35.69\00:50:37.36
what bothers me is that
if you give out the Bible,
00:50:37.37\00:50:39.24
you give out the
King James Version Bible
00:50:39.25\00:50:41.94
to the people you come in
contact with is that a hook?
00:50:41.95\00:50:44.18
They said what do you mean?
00:50:44.19\00:50:45.56
I said, because you
don't really believe it.
00:50:45.57\00:50:47.17
They say we do
believe it as it's translated
00:50:47.18\00:50:50.40
by the Book of Mormon.
00:50:50.41\00:50:52.07
So you have this
one man Joseph Smith,
00:50:52.08\00:50:55.51
who is the authority
over the 66 books of the Bible
00:50:55.52\00:51:00.36
written by some
27 different authors.
00:51:00.37\00:51:04.04
Does that make sense?
00:51:04.05\00:51:06.07
Doesn't really make sense.
00:51:06.08\00:51:07.55
So you have this one man,
00:51:07.56\00:51:08.74
who must take his word over
all the writers of the Bible,
00:51:08.75\00:51:12.01
who are not in
comfort with themselves.
00:51:12.02\00:51:14.31
And the facts don't add up.
00:51:14.32\00:51:16.40
Because what we have
are Dead Sea Squirrels
00:51:16.41\00:51:18.79
to go back before
the time of Christ
00:51:18.80\00:51:21.52
that are proving
that the major books
00:51:21.53\00:51:24.45
of the Bible
including the Old Testament
00:51:24.46\00:51:27.01
scriptures are accurate,
00:51:27.02\00:51:29.92
they have been
translated correctly.
00:51:29.93\00:51:32.56
So it's nice to
say well so many years,
00:51:32.57\00:51:35.45
I mean they can't
possibly be correct,
00:51:35.46\00:51:37.56
but yet we are
finding old manuscripts,
00:51:37.57\00:51:40.84
old copies of the
scriptures that are accurate.
00:51:40.85\00:51:45.17
That the only issue
involving some of them
00:51:45.18\00:51:48.81
in the translations
you only issue involving
00:51:48.82\00:51:50.81
the translations
as it's passed on
00:51:50.82\00:51:52.68
on are grammatical
things, are things that are of
00:51:52.69\00:51:55.13
minor importance that
just one transcribed correctly,
00:51:55.14\00:51:58.02
but the words themselves
and the import of the meaning
00:51:58.03\00:52:01.15
of the scriptures,
it's nearly perfect.
00:52:01.16\00:52:04.42
So they tell you all this time
can't be translated correctly,
00:52:04.43\00:52:07.67
isn't translated correctly,
but the facts don't add up.
00:52:07.68\00:52:10.08
It's just simply not true.
00:52:10.09\00:52:12.53
It doesn't add up,
and the reality of it is,
00:52:12.54\00:52:14.46
if it doesn't add up,
it's not going to add up.
00:52:14.47\00:52:17.10
So don't seek to find
harmony among something
00:52:17.11\00:52:20.20
that is devoid
the word of harmony.
00:52:20.21\00:52:22.53
Now, we're about to end quickly,
00:52:22.54\00:52:23.92
so let's just
cover the other things
00:52:23.93\00:52:25.82
really fast as to
what they believe.
00:52:25.83\00:52:28.07
They believe that
man is an immortal soul,
00:52:28.08\00:52:30.34
he existed, but he
goes further than that.
00:52:30.35\00:52:32.79
He preexisted with God,
00:52:32.80\00:52:36.11
prior to being make bodies for.
00:52:36.12\00:52:38.04
So when God created the world,
00:52:38.05\00:52:39.80
when people are born,
00:52:39.81\00:52:40.97
they have a body
that is put into them,
00:52:40.98\00:52:43.29
an immortal soul
that has no awareness
00:52:43.30\00:52:46.05
that they already
preexisted immortal soul.
00:52:46.06\00:52:48.37
As a matter of
fact, John I have to say
00:52:48.38\00:52:49.72
something on this, I
was in the, you know,
00:52:49.73\00:52:52.82
my voice is
changing as we sit here,
00:52:52.83\00:52:55.31
I am the way passed
puberty, this is a cold.
00:52:55.32\00:52:58.09
But as I visited
00:52:58.10\00:53:00.80
the Mormon Church there in Utah,
00:53:00.81\00:53:05.25
Salt Lake City, they
have this long mirror John,
00:53:05.26\00:53:08.47
this is really
amazing and they show
00:53:08.48\00:53:10.15
the progress of a person's
life all the way through,
00:53:10.16\00:53:13.49
from birth to death, to
going back to heaven as it were.
00:53:13.50\00:53:19.22
They show first the
man in the spirit form
00:53:19.23\00:53:21.85
at the beginning and
then they show him on earth
00:53:21.86\00:53:24.92
and I asked the lady
to explain that to me
00:53:24.93\00:53:26.94
she says, we
believe that all humans
00:53:26.95\00:53:31.14
that eventually exist
here preexisted as souls,
00:53:31.15\00:53:36.88
as these divine babies
or divine spirits in heaven.
00:53:36.89\00:53:41.45
And when a body,
when a baby was born
00:53:41.46\00:53:45.10
on the earth that
soul went into that baby.
00:53:45.11\00:53:48.49
And specifically
one of the reasons
00:53:48.50\00:53:49.96
why they have so
many, many children
00:53:49.97\00:53:52.95
is because in
order for that baby
00:53:52.96\00:53:55.42
that soul to return to heaven,
00:53:55.43\00:53:58.51
they have to
learn the lesson well
00:53:58.52\00:54:00.91
in order to qualify
for being able to return.
00:54:00.92\00:54:05.66
Once again, a
complete system of works,
00:54:05.67\00:54:10.34
they have to work their
way into the God's favor
00:54:10.35\00:54:12.46
to get back and I tell you John,
00:54:12.47\00:54:14.89
I have video
and pictures of that
00:54:14.90\00:54:16.27
and I thought to
myself, Lord have mercy,
00:54:16.28\00:54:18.44
just when you think it's
safe to go back in the water,
00:54:18.45\00:54:20.86
I am just making it very clear,
00:54:20.87\00:54:22.71
you went to something like that.
00:54:22.72\00:54:24.25
They also don't believe that sin
00:54:24.26\00:54:25.40
is a real major problem either
00:54:25.41\00:54:27.00
because sin is
something that we experience
00:54:27.01\00:54:29.18
as we are given
a soul to a body,
00:54:29.19\00:54:31.10
We're experiencing the
body, so that we might identify
00:54:31.11\00:54:33.91
with evil and know
the full aspect of God.
00:54:33.92\00:54:37.58
So at the view of
evil and it's origination
00:54:37.59\00:54:40.31
all those things is completely
contrary to scripture,
00:54:40.32\00:54:42.92
they mean, you know,
Jesus is a polygamist,
00:54:42.93\00:54:46.54
He was married to
Mary, Martha and the other
00:54:46.55\00:54:48.95
Mary Magdalene
and so that's where
00:54:48.96\00:54:53.01
you get polygamy coming from.
00:54:53.02\00:54:57.97
And you know, they also- there
are some things they do well
00:54:57.98\00:54:59.52
which is they build the
family unit as a strong,
00:54:59.53\00:55:02.16
as a strength of their church,
that's the real identifying
00:55:02.17\00:55:05.40
kind of wedge,
they seek to help to
00:55:05.41\00:55:08.16
or bridge I should
say that they bring
00:55:08.17\00:55:11.22
with other Christian churches
as they try to bring others
00:55:11.23\00:55:14.31
into their faith is
this family building up
00:55:14.32\00:55:16.91
of a family and stuff to.
00:55:16.92\00:55:18.12
So, but there are
so many other things
00:55:18.13\00:55:20.09
that we haven't really
talked about Jesus now currently
00:55:20.10\00:55:22.60
preaching to spirits,
immortal souls in prison.
00:55:22.61\00:55:25.84
You know, as we end here John,
00:55:25.85\00:55:27.93
here is one thing
that I want to comeback to,
00:55:27.94\00:55:30.32
as I met with my a
Mormon friend of mine
00:55:30.33\00:55:32.92
that I had some studies
with, I said, I can't get past
00:55:32.93\00:55:36.55
the two things you still
use or still have in common
00:55:36.56\00:55:39.48
with every other church.
00:55:39.49\00:55:40.91
That's right.
00:55:40.92\00:55:41.89
And you identify,
with the mother church,
00:55:41.90\00:55:43.80
the Church of Rome, and
you can't get away from it.
00:55:43.81\00:55:46.45
It's staring at you in your face
00:55:46.46\00:55:47.43
and you don't even see.
00:55:47.44\00:55:48.41
He said, what's that?
00:55:48.42\00:55:49.62
I said, Sunday worship
and the immortality to soul.
00:55:49.63\00:55:54.52
Bible simply doesn't
teach you and I went through
00:55:54.53\00:55:56.74
and showed it to
him and he thought well.
00:55:56.75\00:55:58.12
His response to me was,
you are the first pastor,
00:55:58.13\00:56:01.93
in any denomination,
I have ever gone to,
00:56:01.94\00:56:04.72
and I have been to a lot
00:56:04.73\00:56:05.74
who not only will study with me,
00:56:05.75\00:56:07.67
but is giving me
answers to my questions.
00:56:07.68\00:56:10.73
And that's a good
thing because there are many
00:56:10.74\00:56:14.25
sincere people in
the walk of Mormonism.
00:56:14.26\00:56:17.90
I know people that
have come out that movement
00:56:17.91\00:56:20.58
and became
Seventh-day Adventists.
00:56:20.59\00:56:23.53
So you have
individuals that have joined
00:56:23.54\00:56:25.51
other churches
one of the things that
00:56:25.52\00:56:27.27
the Mormons were concerned about
00:56:27.28\00:56:29.35
or the Catholic
church was concerned about
00:56:29.36\00:56:31.17
is that people were
leaving their movement
00:56:31.18\00:56:33.06
becoming
Mormons, Jehovah's Witness
00:56:33.07\00:56:35.81
and Seventh-day
Adventists and Pentecostals.
00:56:35.82\00:56:38.10
Those are the
four major groups that
00:56:38.11\00:56:39.48
many former Catholics
were becoming members in,
00:56:39.49\00:56:43.10
and so that was the
concern that they had.
00:56:43.11\00:56:44.94
However, if you study the Bible
00:56:44.95\00:56:47.19
and allow God's
word to lead you,
00:56:47.20\00:56:49.16
it will always
lead you to the truth
00:56:49.17\00:56:51.11
and you will not
find Sunday sacredness
00:56:51.12\00:56:53.83
nor the immortality of
the soul in that moment.
00:56:53.84\00:56:56.76
I'd rather stand
before the judgment of God
00:56:56.77\00:56:58.70
before Christ himself and say,
00:56:58.71\00:57:00.72
Lord the only
answer I have for you
00:57:00.73\00:57:02.96
is I followed Your
word, rather than to say,
00:57:02.97\00:57:06.80
but I try this other book,
00:57:06.81\00:57:08.41
or my pastor
said, or this or that.
00:57:08.42\00:57:10.59
I followed your word.
00:57:10.60\00:57:12.60
And so, you
know, think about that,
00:57:12.61\00:57:14.15
the importance of that,
that is the basis of our faith
00:57:14.16\00:57:16.47
and should always be the
basis for everything we believe.
00:57:16.48\00:57:19.85
That's right friends, we
don't cut the cheese here
00:57:19.86\00:57:22.14
at House Calls except
right down the middle,
00:57:22.15\00:57:24.31
and so continue
studying God's word,
00:57:24.32\00:57:26.06
continue trusting God's word
00:57:26.07\00:57:27.71
and you will never
end up in darkness.
00:57:27.72\00:57:29.32
You will always walk
in His marvelous light.
00:57:29.33\00:57:31.85
God bless you, have
a great day in Christ.
00:57:31.86\00:57:33.72