Hell friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's work together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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Welcome back to House Calls.
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We're so excited
you have decided to join
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with us today and
we're just looking forward
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to opening up God's
word and sharing with you,
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inviting you
into our living room.
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Thank you for
inviting us into yours.
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And we pray that this
will be a wonderful program
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where we can lift up Jesus
and share His word with all.
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You know, we trust
and depend upon you
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for
contributions to this program
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and that contribution comes
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in the form of your questions.
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And we want to
encourage you to send
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those questions in
every, every chance you get.
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But before we
dive into them today,
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I want to invite our guest here,
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Johnny Dinzey.
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Thank you for joining me today.
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I want to invite
you to kind of open us
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with prayer and
then we'll go ahead
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and get to the rest
of our questions today.
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Sure, we invite you to join us
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in prayer at this moment.
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Our loving heavenly Father,
we want to thank you Lord
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for the holy scriptures
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that are able to make
us wise unto salvation.
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We ask for your
Holy Spirit Lord that
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as we look into the scriptures,
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you will lead us and teach us.
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And we pray for a
blessing upon everyone
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that tunes into this program.
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We pray Father
for these blessings
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in Jesus holy and
blessed name, amen.
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Thank you very much
Johnny, I appreciate that.
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Again we depend upon
you for participation
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in this program in
the form of your questions
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and there are couple of ways
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You can mail them
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And we thank you so much
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for sending those
questions into us.
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We've some very good ones today
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and we want to
start off with several.
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And Johnny I think you got one
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already queued up for us.
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Why don't you lead us out
in the first question today?
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Well, yes, we do have one
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and it's a very interesting
question here that we have.
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And the question is
from Abanda and she writes.
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I just want to get your view
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on this idea of
Moses being in heaven.
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What does the
Bible say about that?
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And so that's a
very good question
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because we want to make sure
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that the Bible leads us
into the correct answer.
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That's right. So for
that I would like to invite
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you to turn to the book of Jude.
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And we're going to
look at the book of jude
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and since the book of Jude
really has only one chapter,
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we're just gonna say Jude 9.
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In Jude 9, we've
a very interesting
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revelation to us and
this is what we have.
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Yet Michael the archangel,
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when contending with the devil
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he disputed about
the body of Moses,
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durst not bring against
him a railing accusation,
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but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
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A following verse 10.
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But these speak evil of things
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which they know not:
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but what they naturally
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but they what
they know naturally,
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as brute beasts, in those things
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they corrupt themselves.
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So here we have Michael
the Archangel contending
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with the devil
about the body of Moses
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and so basically at this time
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we understand that
Michael the Archangel
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which we
understand to be Jesus Christ.
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If you don't, you
can send in a question,
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we deal with at another time.
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But here he is
resurrecting Moses
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and how do we know
that Moses was resurrected.
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Well, we have another
passage that helps us with that.
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Normally it is called the
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transfiguration of Jesus Christ
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when He took the
Peter, James and John.
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And we'd like to
invite our viewers
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and our listeners
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that are tuning in through radio
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to join us in
Matthew Chapter 17.
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And in Matthew Chapter 17
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it's the declaration or the time
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when Jesus Christ
really is transfigured,
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that's what the Bible
calls this transformation.
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Beginning in
verse 1 and it says,
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And after six days
Jesus talked taketh Peter,
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James, and John his brother,
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and bringeth them up
into a high mountain apart.
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And was
transfigured before them:
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and his face did shine
as the sun and his raiment
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was white as the light.
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And, behold, there
appeared unto them Moses
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and Elias talking with him.
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Or he says Elias in here,
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but it's Elijah
talking with him.
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And then Peter,
said unto Jesus, Lord,
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it is good for us to be here:
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if thou wilt, let us
make here three tabernacles;
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one for thee, and one for Moses,
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and one for Elias.
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And in some
Bibles it says Elijah.
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Yes! So we have here
that Moses is before then we,
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you know, he passed
away and he was resurrected
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being a figure in this moment.
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Of those that
would be resurrected
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through the power of Jesus
Christ at the second coming.
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Elijah as we know the Bible says
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he was carried to
heaven in a chariot of fire.
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Without seeing
death! Without seeing death,
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so these two
individuals are representation
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of the living that would
be alive when Jesus returns
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and the dead in
Christ which are resurrected
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when Jesus returns.
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And so yes,
Moses was resurrected
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and we've these scriptures
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that help us understand that.
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Yeah, you know,
there is actually
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only three individuals by name
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that are
identified as going to heaven.
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Yes! We know that when
Christ was resurrected,
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there were some
that were resurrected
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as first fruits
along with Him to...
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then appear in heaven.
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And we think that
that's probably where
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the 24 elders comes from.
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But there are three
by names specifically,
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the first one is Enoch
and the second one is Moses
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and the third one is Elijah.
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Yes! And of course I
think what you said is
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very kind of key there is.
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Moses saw death, but
yet he was resurrected,
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Elijah didn't see
death, translated to heaven
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without seeing death
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and there we've the
picture of those alive on earth
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when Jesus comes
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and those who were
resurrected at that time.
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Amen! So, yeah
praise the Lord, thank you.
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And thank you for your question.
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If you have a
question about Michael
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the Archangel by the way,
feel free to send that in.
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We've answered to
you few other times,
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but I know that continues
to be an issue that is,
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I won't say hardly
debatic because it's not,
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but there is some
disagreement on that.
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By the way just to
throw it out there,
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Michael is one who is like God.
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That's what Michael means.
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So it's not unique
that Michael is called
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or the Archangel is
referred to as Michael.
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Oh! I've a question here.
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This question comes from Kuda
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and they write Jesus
did not spend three days,
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three nights in the grave,
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what does Matthew 12:40 mean?
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If we look at
Matthew 12 verse 40.
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Let me go ahead and
read that there for you.
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Jesus says, "For as
Jonah was three days
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and three nights in
the belly of a great fish,
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so will the Son
of man be three days
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and three nights in
the heart of the earth".
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All right, so you know
some immediately jumped
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to the
interpretation of Jesus words
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there as
describing how he will be
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in the grave three
days and three nights.
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But I believe there is
an expanded view of this,
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it's not just the grave,
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it's the fact of
Christ experiencing death.
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And I think you will
find that as we turn to
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Matthew Chapter 26
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and you will find these words
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beginning in verse 37
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right after He
met with His disciples
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in the upper room.
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They went to the
Garden of Gethsemane
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and He says in 37 of Matthew 26
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that He took with Him Peter
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and the two sons of Zebedee,
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which are James and John
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and He began to be
sorrowful and deeply distressed.
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So notice first here,
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he began to experience already
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sorrow and deep distressed.
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And we know that
Jonah in that whale began
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to also experience
sorrow, sorrow and distress.
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If you look in verse 38 it says,
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Then he said to them,
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"My soul is
exceedingly sorrowful even to,
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what's that word there, death.
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Stay here and watch with me."
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Now I find these
words very interesting
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because Jesus isn't
just sorrowful and distress.
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He says He is
exceedingly sorrowful
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even to death.
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Yes! And Jesus
doesn't take this word
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death lightly.
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In fact I would
venture Johnny to say
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that Jesus never used the word
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in the context of
our present hearing now
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death on this earth.
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The only time He
referred to death
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in that way was
when his disciples
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weren't understanding
the experience of Lazarus,
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because you remember
at first Lazarus was sick
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and then he had to
tell his disciples,
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no he is dead, yes, not sick.
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And so He was
speaking their language,
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but here He is speaking
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the language of His experience.
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And to Jesus death
on earth was a sleep.
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Death in reality to
Him when using the word
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was eternal death,
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everlasting death that
is the final experience
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of anyone who has sin
that they must account for.
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And so, anyway Jesus
is exceedingly sorrowful
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even to death which
means on Thursday night
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in the Garden of Gethsemane,
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He has already
begun to experience
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the pain of
separation from His Father.
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Yes! And from there we know
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He goes into the
courtroom of the Pharisees,
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the Jewish
leaders to also be tried
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and to experience the
anguish of what man will do
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to Him very soon on the cross.
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So His
experience really of those,
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of the crucifixion
began on Thursday night.
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Yes! And even in His own words
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He alludes to that as well.
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So when He
talks about, you know,
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Jonah being in the belly
of the whale for three days,
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three nights and
refers to the Son of Man,
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that's what He
is speaking about.
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And really He says
the heart of the earth,
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you know, Jesus
makes a statement.
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He says now the Son of Man
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is betrayed into
the hands of wicked men.
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What you were mentioning
there from that moment on
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Jesus went
wherever He was taken.
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Right! He put
Himself in that position.
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He could have walked away,
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you know, He could have
called the legion of angels
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to come down and deliver Him.
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But He put Himself in
the hands of wicked men.
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From that moment
He was in control
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of these individuals.
So it's...it make sense.
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Yeah, it does make sense
because earth and the world
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is often referred
to by Christ Himself
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as the wicked, you know,
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the ones that are
seen to at least appear
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to have the rulership.
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They head over this world, so...
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There is also
is... very important.
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This thing in the Bible
called inclusive reckoning
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from which you,
you count the day
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that something
happened even though
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it's only part of the day.
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So you have Friday,
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that Jesus went into the tomb,
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you count that as one.
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You have Saturday
that He was in the tomb
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and part of Sunday.
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Inclusive reckoning says
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you count that part of the day,
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and so even when I go
to some other countries
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and I'm filling
out the information
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for how long I'm
going to be there,
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I've to count
the day that I arrive
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there in that country.
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Right, and the day you leave.
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And the day that I leave. Right.
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And so even though I got there
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at 10'o clock at night,
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I've to count oh, I
got into your country
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on this particular day
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but I'm leaving this particular,
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so you have to count that.
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In the same manner, you know,
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this could also
be consider that way.
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Yeah, very much so.
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Thank you very
much for your question.
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I think we've another one Johnny
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you have a
second question there.
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Well yes, we have
a second question.
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This one is a
little more involved
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and it's by
Coreen and she writes,
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please when you
write your questions
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it would be nice to know
where they are writing from.
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Yeah. Because this
is a worldwide ministry.
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It's very true.
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Reaching every
country in the world
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and it's nice to
find out what country
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these questions are coming from.
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But we appreciate your questions
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and this one is who
are the two witnesses
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in Revelation 11:3?
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Are they the Old
and New Testaments?
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So as we go in our Bibles
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and we go to Revelation 11:3.
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We want to give
that passage for those
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that are hearing
this for the first time.
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And she makes a reference
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to are they the Old
and the New Testament,
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so that's, that's
really the direction
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that we're gonna go
here as we discuss this.
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In Revelation 11
beginning in verse 3.
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Notice that, actually I
should start here at verse 2.
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It says, But the court
which is without the temple
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leave out and measure
it not; for it is given
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unto the Gentiles: and
the holy city shall they
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they tread under
foot forty and two months.
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"And I will give
power unto my two witnesses,
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and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred
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and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth."
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"These are the two olive trees,
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and the two
candlesticks standing
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before the God of earth."
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And so this is the
main description of that
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as we continue it
says if any man, I'm sorry,
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these are the two olive trees,
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and the two
candlesticks standing
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before the God of the earth.
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"And if any man will hurt them,
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fire proceedeth
out of their mouth,
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and devoureth their enemies:
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and if any man will hurt them,
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he must in this
manner be killed."
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And it continues to
describe these two witnesses,
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so how do we find out
who these two witnesses are?
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The text itself doesn't
give us much information,
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but the Bible gives us the
principle that we've to look
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at line upon line
and precept upon precept.
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That's right. And
some people identify
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these two witnesses
as Moses and Elijah.
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And it's rather
difficult thing to prove that.
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Right. That is Moses and Elijah,
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because all it says
these are the two witnesses,
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these are the two olive trees.
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Now there is a
passage in the Old Testament
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that mentions this very
words and is in the book
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of Zachariah and we're going
to find Zachariah Chapter 4,
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Zachariah Chapter 4 is
going to help us with that.
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I didn't have a
quite a hint, I don't know,
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if you have it already.
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Here we go Zachariah Chapter 4
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and I'm going to
begin reading in verse 2.
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In Zachariah Chapter 4 verse 2.
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And he said unto
me, What seest thou?
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And I said, I have
looked, and, behold,
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a candlestick all
of gold, with a bowl
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upon the top of it,
and its seven lamps thereon
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and seven pipes
to the seven lamps
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which are upon the top thereof.
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And two olive-trees by it,
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one upon the
right side of the bowl,
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and the other upon
the left side of the bowl.
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And so I answered
and spake to the angel
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that talked with me,
saying, What are these, my Lord?
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And he goes on to
answer then, he answered
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and spake unto me, saying,
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This is the word of the
Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying,
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Not by might, nor by
power, but by my Spirit,
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saith the Lord of hosts.
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Going on as we go
down to verse 11 says,
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Then answered I,
and said unto him,
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What are these two olive-trees
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upon the right
side of the candlestick
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and upon the left side thereof?
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And I answered
again, and said unto him,
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What be these two olive-branches
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which are through the
two golden spouts empty
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the golden oil
out of themselves?
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And he answered and said,
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Knowest thou not what these are?
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And I said, No, my lord.
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And he said, These
are the two anointed ones,
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that stand by the
Lord of the whole earth.
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Some are the same
words that we read
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in Revelation
Chapter 11 and verse 3
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onward which talked
about the two olive trees
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and these are the anointed ones,
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so what are these things,
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you know, what
are the two witnesses?
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We believe they are the
Old and the New Testament,
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why? Read this passage as well
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in Zachariah Chapter four
points to the Holy Spirit.
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And the Bible says
that holy men of old speak
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or speak as they were
moved by the Holy Spirit.
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The Holy Spirit
inspired what we considered the
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Old and the New Testament.
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And so I wondered
if you could help me
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by going to Psalm 1:19,
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105 and when we say
10 it's really a number,
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it's really zero
105, and I'm going to look
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at Psalm 11 and verse 4.
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If you have Psalm 119:105,
could you read that for us.
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Your word is a lamp to my
feet and a light to my path.
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So here we have
the word of the Lord
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is a lamp unto our feet, yeah.
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And these are the two witnesses
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of the Lord and
Psalm 11 verse 4.
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The Lord, Psalm 11:4, I
think I have Psalm 11:3-4
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If the foundations be destroyed,
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What can the righteous do?
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The Lord is in his holy temple,
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the Lord's
throne is in the heaven:
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his eyes behold, his
eyelids try the children of men.
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I think I wrote
down the wrong scripture,
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but nevertheless
we've Psalm 119:105, yeah.
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The word of the Lord
is a lamp unto our feet.
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The two witnesses of the Lord
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are the Old and
the New Testament.
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They are
testified before the earth
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and that declare
God's words to mankind.
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Yeah, you know, also if
you look to other references
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in the Old
Testament, you will find
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that God refers to His
word, what is written down,
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what continues to speak
to mankind as His testimony.
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Yes! Okay, so witnesses,
obviously bear a testimony.
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And so if a
witness is going to speak,
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he is going to say something,
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I believe God
usually refers to that,
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often refers to that especially
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in the Old and the New Testament
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as in regard to His voice,
His testimony in the earth.
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The interesting
thing too is, as you go on
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in Revelation Chapter 11
and I think you read this verse
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talking about if
anyone wants to harm them
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fire proceeds out of their mouth
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and devours their enemies.
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Interesting to
imagine if you take literally
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this to mean Moses and Elijah,
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fire coming out of
their mouth, it doesn't work.
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it doesn't work.
See, so then you have
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other problems in defining
or interpreting this passage.
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But when you
understand them in the context
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of the word of God speaking,
then these words come alive.
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Let me share a verse
with you, a couple of them.
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First of all
Jeremiah Chapter 20 verse 9.
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Says, then I said, "I
will not make mention of Him,
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nor speak anymore in His name."
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But His word was in my
heart like a burning fire
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shut up in my bones; I
was weary of holding back,
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and I could not.
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So the word of God was as what?
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It was like a burning fire. Yes!
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Look at Jeremiah 23 verse 29.
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Yes, that's the
one I was looking for.
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Yeah, "Is not My
word like a fire?"
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says the Lord, "
and like a hammer
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that breaks the rock in pieces?
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So God's word is...
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He even speaks of it
as being like a fire.
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Yes! So when you
understand this symbolically
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it's pointing to
Old and New Testaments,
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the testimony of God
and wanted to do work,
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to proclaim the work
over this 1260 days or years,
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prophetic time
would be 1260 years.
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Then you would see
that they would speak
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during this time,
nothing can shut them up
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because they are like
fire, devouring everybody
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that wants to oppose it.
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Yes, that is. It comes
alive and then it makes sense.
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The scripture says
and they shall prophesy
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a thousand two
hundred and threescore days,
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clothed in sackcloth.
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This clothed in sack
cloth is a point of time
00:20:04.04\00:20:05.83
when the scriptures
were said to be in obscurity
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because of the
persecution taking place.
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You could not
really preach in liberty
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the gospel without
having consequences,
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so during this time they
are said to be in sack cloth.
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And a moment, a space
of time when the scriptures
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wasn't even readily
available to people.
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So they were said
to be in sack cloth,
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there was
persecution taking place. Right.
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By a power that
would, was set to do this.
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And the time
before it says 42 months
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is the same
period of time 1260 years
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equivalent to days
1260 days is 1260 years.
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Yes, amen. Very
good, thank you, well done.
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This next one is
from Miss. Rocque.
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And I don't know if
I'm pronouncing that right,
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R-O-C-Q-U-E. Anyway,
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she writes
before I became saved.
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I believe that the
Bible was very sexiest.
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In fact biased to men
and kind of belittled women.
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And my mind became open after,
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but I still have questions about
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why women are so
harshly punished on issues
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involving both
women men and women,
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that could both be, you know,
00:21:20.83\00:21:22.83
called to account
for, or to blame for.
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And that's just for her question
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and she asked a
couple of other things here
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that are along these lines.
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You know, I think we
all need to recognize Johnny
00:21:30.45\00:21:32.81
that the Bible is
highly influenced by culture.
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And the culture of
that day was in fact
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much different than today.
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Today we've
more of a equilibrium
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of rights among men
and women especially
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in the country of
United States of America
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and in most of
the developed world.
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But when it comes
to the cultures of old,
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you will find that
often women were treated very
00:21:55.17\00:21:57.24
subserviently to men.
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It wasn't God
designed that would be,
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but it was what
happened as a result of sin.
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In fact God alluded to that fact
00:22:06.47\00:22:09.28
at the beginning of time. Yes!
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Didn't have plan
on going to this text,
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but if you turn
to Genesis Chapter 3.
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You will find after the
fall, there is this judgment
00:22:18.63\00:22:22.88
that comes from God.
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And of course the
man pointing to the wife
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is causing him
to eat of the fruit.
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And the Lord then
in verse 13 responds
00:22:31.23\00:22:34.18
to the women and
says, what have you done?
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The woman said the
serpent deceive me and I ate,
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so she points to the
serpent and then of course
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the Lord pronounce his judgment
00:22:42.12\00:22:43.11
on the serpent first.
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But then in 16 he
says to the woman.
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I will greatly multiply
your sorrow and your conception;
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In pain you shall
bring forth children;
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Your desire shall
be for your husband,
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And he shall do what?
He shall rule over you."
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Yes! So God's
designed from the beginning
00:22:59.99\00:23:03.01
was that Adam and
Eve would be together
00:23:03.02\00:23:05.89
standing side by side,
that Eve was created to his
00:23:05.90\00:23:08.57
helpmate or
support on an equal basis.
00:23:08.58\00:23:11.95
there was no... not to
be one above the other.
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But as result of sin
we find that Eve became
00:23:14.32\00:23:17.52
"weaker vessel" in
strength and other things
00:23:17.53\00:23:20.83
and that man
would rule over her.
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And I think there
was this illusion to that
00:23:22.81\00:23:24.42
culturally throughout
the centuries the Millennia
00:23:24.43\00:23:27.96
that there would be
women always striving after man
00:23:27.97\00:23:31.50
to obtain that which
man has, had and has done
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in his rulership over the women.
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So, anyway that's what you
find I think coming through
00:23:38.62\00:23:41.13
in the text and I think
it's very important for us
00:23:41.14\00:23:43.96
to realize that as we
read scripture and not scribe
00:23:43.97\00:23:48.69
or somehow assigned
that same kind of activity
00:23:48.70\00:23:52.05
or thought or mentality
upon our culture today.
00:23:52.06\00:23:54.94
Because that's the
way the culture generally
00:23:54.95\00:23:58.02
is not at least in
the developed world.
00:23:58.03\00:24:00.14
I know that it is
still going on in many
00:24:00.15\00:24:02.14
of the undeveloped countries.
00:24:02.15\00:24:03.71
And of course we
continue to and should continue
00:24:03.72\00:24:06.44
to support for the
rights of women around the world
00:24:06.45\00:24:09.15
where they are still mistreated
00:24:09.16\00:24:10.49
and "ruled over" in a
way that is very ungodly.
00:24:10.50\00:24:14.33
That's right, that's right
you know when Jesus appears
00:24:14.34\00:24:18.27
on the same heat,
He try to lift women up
00:24:18.28\00:24:21.78
and it's really beautiful
to see, amen, to see that
00:24:22.85\00:24:25.81
and they...unfortunately
in some countries
00:24:25.82\00:24:29.56
this is not the
case and we don't want to
00:24:29.57\00:24:32.28
go too deeply into that.
00:24:32.29\00:24:33.60
But, you know,
God made man and woman
00:24:33.61\00:24:38.52
and created them equal.
00:24:38.53\00:24:39.98
That almost
reasserted that same equality
00:24:41.78\00:24:45.32
under the new covenant.
00:24:45.33\00:24:46.64
Yes! When He said
there is no longer
00:24:46.65\00:24:48.12
male nor female.
00:24:48.13\00:24:49.97
And I understand
that, you know, we're built,
00:24:49.98\00:24:52.17
you know, differently,
our minds were differently
00:24:52.18\00:24:54.35
and so we found
a different roles,
00:24:54.36\00:24:56.58
but there is an equality there.
00:24:56.59\00:24:58.00
Yes! And that's God's design
under the new covenant too.
00:24:58.01\00:25:00.55
So just wanted to mention that.
00:25:00.56\00:25:02.58
You know, one
other quick question
00:25:02.59\00:25:03.80
because we
probably have time for it.
00:25:03.81\00:25:05.40
It's a question from
Legune, and she says,
00:25:06.92\00:25:10.57
I'm the
Seventh-day Adventist youth.
00:25:10.58\00:25:12.35
And in our church we
don't have any drums or symbols
00:25:12.36\00:25:14.92
or lack of variety
and we lack variety
00:25:14.93\00:25:18.83
she says as it
concerns musical instruments.
00:25:18.84\00:25:21.52
I read a lot of
historites writings about music
00:25:21.53\00:25:23.75
in the church and
they seem to be okay
00:25:23.76\00:25:26.38
as long as
reverence is observed.
00:25:26.39\00:25:28.85
I'm also aware of
the verses in Psalms
00:25:28.86\00:25:31.01
that told us about this,
but I'm afraid it has been
00:25:31.02\00:25:33.31
misinterpreted several times.
00:25:33.32\00:25:35.77
And I'm curious about
why more musical instruments
00:25:35.78\00:25:38.62
are not present in our church?
00:25:38.63\00:25:40.72
Could you shed some more light
00:25:40.73\00:25:42.02
on this subject, please?
00:25:42.03\00:25:43.36
You know, music, Johnny
you are aware this to music
00:25:43.37\00:25:46.34
can be an incredible blessing.
00:25:46.35\00:25:49.03
Yes! It is the centerpiece often
00:25:49.04\00:25:52.44
at worship and should be.
00:25:52.45\00:25:53.67
I think God designed music
00:25:53.68\00:25:54.83
to go hand in hand with worship.
00:25:54.84\00:25:56.97
But the same time it
can be an incredible curse
00:25:56.98\00:25:58.88
if you allow it to be.
00:25:58.89\00:26:00.16
If we start to degrade or divide
00:26:00.17\00:26:04.90
or find dissention
coming about by disagreements
00:26:04.91\00:26:08.60
in music styles and other things
00:26:08.61\00:26:11.04
then it can become a
curse to many churches.
00:26:11.05\00:26:14.07
And we've seen churches divide
00:26:14.08\00:26:15.80
over the issue of music.
00:26:15.81\00:26:17.05
Now that being
said I do believe that
00:26:17.66\00:26:19.48
there are
standards that God has given
00:26:19.49\00:26:21.94
in His word for music.
00:26:21.95\00:26:24.10
God is a God, not of confusion.
00:26:24.11\00:26:25.69
He is a God of
harmony, or God of beauty
00:26:25.70\00:26:30.88
and so music then fitting
His own character would be
00:26:30.89\00:26:34.40
ones that music
that uplifts Jesus,
00:26:34.41\00:26:37.53
that points to
Jesus, that points to God,
00:26:37.54\00:26:40.35
to that
reverences and praises Him.
00:26:40.36\00:26:42.68
Any music that
tends to bring in more
00:26:43.64\00:26:46.12
of a confusing
aspect, or prideful aspect,
00:26:46.13\00:26:49.99
it elevate the singer
or those that are upfront
00:26:50.00\00:26:53.58
leading out in the music,
then would become possibly
00:26:53.59\00:26:57.00
a curse then to
that music service,
00:26:57.01\00:26:58.93
because it does, it's not
conducive to true worship.
00:26:58.94\00:27:02.20
Now we know even
from the book of Daniel,
00:27:02.21\00:27:04.82
in Daniel 3 I believe it is
00:27:04.83\00:27:08.80
where the image was set up.
00:27:08.81\00:27:10.14
Yes! That music was played
00:27:10.15\00:27:11.74
that cause people
then or was suppose
00:27:11.75\00:27:14.40
to compel them to
then bow down and worship
00:27:14.41\00:27:16.34
the image as
commanded by Nebuchadnezzar.
00:27:16.35\00:27:18.88
So as Daniel
provides a lot of elements
00:27:18.89\00:27:22.20
that we will see
spiritually in the last days.
00:27:22.21\00:27:24.93
I also believe that
there is a confusing
00:27:24.94\00:27:27.01
or the devil using
music to confuse the minds
00:27:27.02\00:27:30.24
and hearts of
young people today.
00:27:30.25\00:27:31.93
And we find that around,
00:27:31.94\00:27:33.90
I believe not only
in secular society.
00:27:33.91\00:27:35.77
But it has kind of
come into the church.
00:27:35.78\00:27:37.88
I've always said,
I'm not so concerned
00:27:37.89\00:27:39.80
about the
individual instrument person
00:27:39.81\00:27:42.67
arguing about what
instrument should be played.
00:27:42.68\00:27:45.18
I think that if we're
playing any instrument,
00:27:45.19\00:27:47.21
it needs to be
tastefully, reverently played.
00:27:47.22\00:27:50.22
Yes! Skillfully
played in harmony together,
00:27:50.23\00:27:53.26
not something that create
excitement or entertainment
00:27:53.27\00:27:56.80
or the aspect that
does not lead to worship.
00:27:56.81\00:27:59.54
that is my
concern as the pastor,
00:27:59.55\00:28:01.28
not so much what
instruments are permisive
00:28:01.29\00:28:03.48
and which instruments are not.
00:28:03.49\00:28:05.64
So, you know, rhythm
is something that God
00:28:05.65\00:28:09.22
has brought into life
and society in general.
00:28:09.23\00:28:12.03
I mean we walk,
we speak with rhythm.
00:28:12.04\00:28:14.68
If I were to speak
in simply rhythm terms
00:28:14.69\00:28:19.50
and let's use a
simple thing I love you,
00:28:19.51\00:28:22.82
this term I love you.
00:28:22.83\00:28:23.80
And I hope we both say
00:28:23.81\00:28:24.78
I love you to our wives a lot.
00:28:24.79\00:28:25.92
So when I say I
love you to Rochelle,
00:28:26.98\00:28:28.88
I don't say I love
you, I love you every time
00:28:28.89\00:28:32.97
on the same rhythm.
00:28:32.98\00:28:34.08
It's I love you, or I love you.
00:28:34.09\00:28:37.80
You know, there
is a rhythm to life,
00:28:37.81\00:28:39.48
there is rhythm to speaking,
00:28:39.49\00:28:40.65
there is a rhythm to what we do.
00:28:40.66\00:28:42.35
And in some cases
sometimes that rhythm
00:28:42.36\00:28:44.83
can be a little spicy
too in our rhythm of life.
00:28:44.84\00:28:48.31
But we've got to be very careful
00:28:48.32\00:28:49.81
how this is
done in the churches.
00:28:49.82\00:28:51.30
And I've seen in many
churches go overboard.
00:28:51.31\00:28:53.49
Yes! Towards the drums come in.
00:28:53.50\00:28:55.33
and then it
becomes this entertainment
00:28:56.77\00:28:58.83
and all you have to do
is look at the audience
00:28:58.84\00:29:01.07
to begin to see
the result of that.
00:29:01.08\00:29:03.00
Now, I'm not trying
to levy condemnation
00:29:03.01\00:29:06.36
or anything like
that on those that
00:29:06.37\00:29:08.23
are using these
aspects of worship
00:29:09.91\00:29:11.78
or music in
their worship surfaces.
00:29:12.78\00:29:14.55
But I would say this,
I'm saying be careful,
00:29:14.56\00:29:17.54
because when they you do
use that, then you've got to,
00:29:17.55\00:29:22.01
see you got to wave
very carefully and measure
00:29:22.02\00:29:24.59
what's happening to your
worshippers in the service.
00:29:24.60\00:29:27.72
You are saying that
to be careful not to
00:29:27.73\00:29:31.19
try to get the
emotion involved to the point
00:29:33.08\00:29:36.14
of excitement
that you are forgetting
00:29:36.15\00:29:38.25
that you are
worshipping the almighty God.
00:29:38.26\00:29:39.74
Absolutely,
absolutely, that's the key.
00:29:39.75\00:29:41.48
And I, I for the
most part my thinking
00:29:41.49\00:29:44.48
and as a pastor I
stayed this traditional line.
00:29:44.49\00:29:47.47
You know, I trust the council,
00:29:47.48\00:29:48.83
don't go too far to
the left, you hit the bank.
00:29:48.84\00:29:50.76
Don't go too far to the right,
00:29:50.77\00:29:51.74
you will fall off the cliff.
00:29:51.75\00:29:52.77
We keep it traditional line,
00:29:52.78\00:29:54.40
we also have some
praise music there,
00:29:54.41\00:29:55.90
but we don't have
drums in the church.
00:29:55.91\00:29:57.33
I'm just giving you my example
00:29:57.34\00:29:59.50
that helps to
sometime feed that excitement.
00:29:59.51\00:30:02.13
So lets be
careful, lets be cognizant
00:30:02.14\00:30:06.23
of what's coming in.
00:30:06.24\00:30:07.31
But let's not be also so rigid
00:30:07.32\00:30:09.31
cold and formal that
we start being exacting,
00:30:09.32\00:30:12.01
you know, that
instrument is not permissible,
00:30:12.02\00:30:13.90
that one is not permissible.
00:30:13.91\00:30:15.58
And then we actually push people
00:30:15.59\00:30:16.93
out of the church as well.
00:30:16.94\00:30:17.91
I'm not giving a specific
answer, I don't want to give
00:30:17.92\00:30:20.36
do's and don'ts, right.
00:30:20.37\00:30:21.71
But I do want to provide some
00:30:21.72\00:30:22.82
general guidelines
here, because I think
00:30:22.83\00:30:24.42
that's what this lady,
young lady is looking for
00:30:24.43\00:30:29.38
and we don't pay a lot
of attention too I think.
00:30:29.39\00:30:31.45
That's right, that's right.
00:30:31.46\00:30:32.64
Amen! All right,
00:30:32.65\00:30:34.17
well thank you very
much for your questions.
00:30:34.18\00:30:35.73
We want to just say,
not only thank you again,
00:30:35.74\00:30:38.92
but encourage you to
write in your questions
00:30:38.93\00:30:42.05
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00:30:42.06\00:30:43.03
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00:30:43.04\00:30:44.82
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00:30:44.83\00:30:47.20
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00:30:47.21\00:30:51.06
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00:30:51.07\00:30:54.51
We'll do our best to get them
00:30:54.52\00:30:57.06
and answer them
in future programs.
00:30:57.07\00:30:59.99
Thank you very much.
00:31:00.00\00:31:01.68
Well Johnny some
great questions there today.
00:31:01.69\00:31:04.80
Yes. It's time
now to kind of segue
00:31:04.81\00:31:06.83
into our third
program on prophecy,
00:31:06.84\00:31:10.89
biblical rules and methodology
00:31:10.90\00:31:12.97
of interpretation,
00:31:12.98\00:31:14.08
I know that's a
long statement there.
00:31:14.09\00:31:15.59
But I point that,
or I put that together
00:31:15.60\00:31:19.16
because I think there
has been a lot of abuse
00:31:19.17\00:31:22.77
and liberty is taken
with the interpretation
00:31:22.78\00:31:25.18
of Bible prophecy out
there in the world today.
00:31:25.19\00:31:28.45
And even amongst
Christians and denominations
00:31:28.46\00:31:31.47
and non-denominations,
whatever you may have.
00:31:31.48\00:31:34.64
So we provided over
the last couple of days,
00:31:34.65\00:31:37.87
kind of a recap of where
00:31:37.88\00:31:40.43
the interpretation
methodologies have come from.
00:31:40.44\00:31:42.90
We found that the
reformers saw Daniel too
00:31:42.91\00:31:46.25
as providing a basic
outline of historicism,
00:31:46.26\00:31:50.22
that there is a
beginning point in time
00:31:50.23\00:31:52.38
and there remains a
line unbroken to the end
00:31:52.39\00:31:55.48
when that prophecy finally
culminates or is fulfilled.
00:31:55.49\00:31:58.49
And within that
timeline events occur
00:31:58.50\00:32:02.38
which are depicted in symbols
00:32:02.39\00:32:04.28
in the book of Revelation,
00:32:04.29\00:32:05.41
in the book of
Daniel as well as book-ins
00:32:05.42\00:32:07.77
to prophecy in the Bible.
00:32:07.78\00:32:10.07
Later day
prophecies specifically.
00:32:10.08\00:32:13.33
One of the things
we did not get into,
00:32:13.34\00:32:15.82
didn't have
time to get into yet,
00:32:15.83\00:32:17.27
is going to be
covered in our third program
00:32:17.28\00:32:19.41
which involves the
interpretation of symbols.
00:32:19.42\00:32:22.21
This is also
something that is really
00:32:22.22\00:32:24.93
a lot of liberty is
taken today and in fact
00:32:24.94\00:32:27.94
and you may have some
things to weigh in on here
00:32:29.10\00:32:30.76
Johnny because I'm
sure you have seen it too.
00:32:30.77\00:32:33.46
But there's lot of
reading the newspapers today.
00:32:33.47\00:32:35.50
Yes! To try and figure out,
00:32:35.51\00:32:37.53
well, maybe this
prophecy fits here.
00:32:37.54\00:32:39.73
Or look, I think
this prophecy is this,
00:32:39.74\00:32:41.71
because look it, it's so close.
00:32:41.72\00:32:43.34
And there is no
consideration given
00:32:43.35\00:32:45.52
into the methodology
of interpreting prophecy.
00:32:45.53\00:32:49.25
In other words the
historical timeline
00:32:49.26\00:32:51.57
that prophecy progresses under
00:32:51.58\00:32:54.52
and it's just like a
willy-nilly kind of lets
00:32:54.53\00:32:57.30
put it here
because it seems to fit.
00:32:57.31\00:32:59.46
And I think some
times when we do that
00:32:59.47\00:33:02.28
we find the
false interpretations
00:33:02.29\00:33:04.98
that occurred,
don't actually happen
00:33:04.99\00:33:07.03
and then of course
people says oh well,
00:33:07.04\00:33:09.23
see look it didn't
happen, people that believe
00:33:09.24\00:33:11.30
in prophecy, they don't know
what they are talking about.
00:33:11.31\00:33:12.89
And they throw
essentially the baby out
00:33:12.90\00:33:14.55
with the bath water,
old prophecy is not good.
00:33:14.56\00:33:16.95
The devil likes
that kind of thing,
00:33:16.96\00:33:18.24
so God is telling us
we should rightly divide
00:33:18.25\00:33:21.14
the word of truth and provide
00:33:21.15\00:33:24.75
or utilize the
methods the Bible uses
00:33:24.76\00:33:28.21
for interpreting prophecy
and if we don't do that,
00:33:28.22\00:33:30.46
we're in trouble.
00:33:30.47\00:33:31.44
That's right, that's right.
00:33:31.45\00:33:32.45
We're in serious
trouble and as we've seen
00:33:32.46\00:33:34.54
throughout history
where people have come up with
00:33:34.55\00:33:37.45
different interpretations
on different passages
00:33:37.46\00:33:40.37
of the scripture and
they wind up being false
00:33:40.38\00:33:45.02
because they did not use
00:33:45.03\00:33:46.27
the correct
method of interpretation.
00:33:46.28\00:33:49.12
They... you know,
00:33:49.13\00:33:50.48
there are
principles in the scriptures.
00:33:50.49\00:33:52.27
You know, Jesus, I
turn to this passage here
00:33:52.28\00:33:54.93
because to me
it's really powerful.
00:33:54.94\00:33:58.03
Jesus talking to his disciples
00:33:58.04\00:33:59.56
after He tells them
many things that were coming.
00:33:59.57\00:34:03.02
He says to them
in John Chapter 14,
00:34:03.03\00:34:09.48
He says, verse 28 and 29.
00:34:09.49\00:34:14.39
"You have heard
how I said to you,
00:34:14.40\00:34:16.08
I go away, and
come again unto you.
00:34:16.09\00:34:18.35
If you loved me,
you would rejoice,
00:34:18.36\00:34:19.96
because I said,
I go to the Father:
00:34:19.97\00:34:21.70
for my Father is greater than I.
00:34:21.71\00:34:23.51
And now I have told
you before it come to pass,
00:34:23.52\00:34:27.61
that, when it is come
to pass, ye might believe.
00:34:27.62\00:34:32.75
I like that. So we see
that the Lord blesses us
00:34:32.76\00:34:36.70
with the
scriptures and prophecies
00:34:36.71\00:34:38.33
of things that are coming.
00:34:38.34\00:34:40.44
And when we look
at the scriptures
00:34:40.45\00:34:43.14
and we try to
understand these things.
00:34:43.15\00:34:45.77
It is a
confirmation to be able to look
00:34:45.78\00:34:49.70
at them after they
have past and say wow,
00:34:49.71\00:34:52.34
this happened this way exactly
00:34:52.35\00:34:54.36
as was fulfilled in scripture.
00:34:54.37\00:34:56.60
And that let's us know of things
00:34:56.61\00:34:58.84
that are still coming.
00:34:58.85\00:34:59.82
Right. Because we see
things fulfilling for us,
00:34:59.83\00:35:02.33
for me it's a
great encouragement John
00:35:02.34\00:35:04.77
to see the prophecies
and how they were fulfilled
00:35:04.78\00:35:08.66
in the past, you
know, how God revealed
00:35:08.67\00:35:11.36
the time when the
Messiah would appear
00:35:11.37\00:35:13.37
on the scene of earth's history.
00:35:13.38\00:35:14.61
Yes! And right...
00:35:14.62\00:35:16.13
in that very year predicted now.
00:35:16.14\00:35:17.48
That very year, I mean it's just
00:35:17.49\00:35:20.41
and it's a long prophecy in it,
00:35:20.42\00:35:21.71
a point by point
fulfill, fulfill, fulfill,
00:35:21.72\00:35:24.39
fulfill and say praise the Lord.
00:35:24.40\00:35:26.34
Yeah, gives you
confidence in the scripture too.
00:35:26.35\00:35:28.39
Yes, absolutely.
00:35:28.40\00:35:29.37
Yeah! So, we
know that the things
00:35:29.38\00:35:31.26
that are still coming
are going to happen exactly
00:35:31.27\00:35:35.65
as they were
mentioned in scriptures.
00:35:35.66\00:35:37.10
I've short story, if
you don't mind I'll tell.
00:35:37.11\00:35:39.22
You know, working in
the pastoral ministries
00:35:39.23\00:35:40.84
department, I think
it was a time about,
00:35:40.85\00:35:43.55
this was a few years ago, okay,
00:35:43.56\00:35:45.24
so I'm not
pinpointing to anything
00:35:45.25\00:35:46.67
that has
happened recently or any.
00:35:46.68\00:35:49.05
A few years ago, a
person called and said
00:35:49.06\00:35:51.52
that he claimed
he was the prophet.
00:35:51.53\00:35:53.56
And said that it
was around November
00:35:53.57\00:35:56.27
that he began to
say Jesus is coming
00:35:56.28\00:35:58.97
and I don't remember
the date he mentioned,
00:35:58.98\00:36:01.19
but I'm going to mention,
it was in the month of April
00:36:01.20\00:36:03.36
that he was talking about.
00:36:03.37\00:36:04.34
Jesus coming in
April 10th to say a date.
00:36:04.35\00:36:07.98
I said, really
how do you know this.
00:36:07.99\00:36:10.22
And he mentioned
several scriptures
00:36:10.23\00:36:12.65
and I said wow,
that's really interesting,
00:36:12.66\00:36:14.26
let me write those down.
00:36:14.27\00:36:15.57
And I really could
not see how he came
00:36:15.58\00:36:18.13
to that conclusion. Yeah.
00:36:18.14\00:36:19.34
Of course the Bible
says that no man knows
00:36:19.35\00:36:21.06
the day nor the
hour. Right, right.
00:36:21.07\00:36:23.03
So I would say
that every week at least
00:36:23.04\00:36:25.63
once he would call
and say this is prophet
00:36:25.64\00:36:28.90
and he would mention his name
00:36:28.91\00:36:30.06
and he would remind us Jesus
Christ is coming April 10th.
00:36:30.88\00:36:33.41
you know, here is
November and every week,
00:36:33.42\00:36:36.45
so comes the month
of March and he says
00:36:36.46\00:36:39.68
Jesus Christ is
coming April 10th.
00:36:39.69\00:36:41.88
And that time I
say you know, brother
00:36:41.89\00:36:43.73
I really have to
say I'm really concerned
00:36:43.74\00:36:47.00
about what you are saying.
00:36:47.01\00:36:47.98
He says why, aren't
you happy that Jesus Christ
00:36:47.99\00:36:49.83
is coming April 10th.
00:36:49.84\00:36:50.83
I says I would be,
however there are many things
00:36:50.84\00:36:55.45
still that have not happened
and that are going to happen.
00:36:55.46\00:36:58.87
As describe in Revelation 13,
00:36:58.88\00:37:00.92
it talks about
the Mark of the Beast.
00:37:00.93\00:37:02.77
And that everyone is
going to be called upon
00:37:02.78\00:37:05.52
to make a decision
00:37:05.53\00:37:06.50
whether or not to
take the mark or not.
00:37:06.51\00:37:08.05
No man could buy or
sell except he has the mark.
00:37:08.06\00:37:11.14
Right. And so all these things,
00:37:11.15\00:37:12.89
have these things
have not taken place yet.
00:37:12.90\00:37:15.17
And you say they are
going to happen in just
00:37:15.18\00:37:16.91
three or four weeks,
I really have difficulty
00:37:16.92\00:37:19.47
saying how you are
coming up with this data.
00:37:19.48\00:37:21.18
How all these things
that are still yet to come
00:37:21.19\00:37:24.27
are going to happen. Right.
00:37:24.28\00:37:25.90
And you know the seven
last plagues and he says brother
00:37:25.91\00:37:30.32
it's going to happen he said.
00:37:30.33\00:37:31.66
Well, you know,
in four weeks time
00:37:31.67\00:37:33.83
there was just no
way, I mean it was just
00:37:33.84\00:37:36.10
and it did not
happen. Didn't happen.
00:37:36.11\00:37:37.42
Because this was a few years ago
00:37:37.43\00:37:38.40
that I'm talking to you about.
00:37:38.41\00:37:40.03
So it was a month
later that he called
00:37:40.04\00:37:43.97
and said this is
prophet so and so,
00:37:43.98\00:37:45.68
he mentioned his name.
00:37:45.69\00:37:46.66
Aren't you the same
guy that said Jesus Christ
00:37:46.78\00:37:48.78
is coming April 10th?
00:37:48.79\00:37:50.63
And he said, no that was not me.
00:37:50.64\00:37:52.45
That was somebody
or I didn't say that.
00:37:53.47\00:37:56.35
And so, but he had
been saying it for months.
00:37:56.36\00:37:58.30
Right. And so I knew he was him,
00:37:58.31\00:37:59.76
I just, you know,
didn't want to press him,
00:37:59.77\00:38:01.34
I think I don't want
to discourage the man.
00:38:01.35\00:38:03.20
However, you
know, the scriptures say
00:38:03.21\00:38:07.76
no man knows
the day nor the hour
00:38:07.77\00:38:09.73
and the Lord has chosen
not to reveal these things.
00:38:09.74\00:38:12.43
Right. So really
no message that comes
00:38:12.44\00:38:14.27
to us with a date, we
can put much confidence in,
00:38:14.28\00:38:19.32
because no man
knows the day nor the hour
00:38:19.33\00:38:21.67
the scripture says. Yeah,
00:38:21.68\00:38:22.72
and, you know, even when
you look at the prophecies
00:38:22.73\00:38:25.34
that Christ had
given about the signs.
00:38:25.35\00:38:28.70
He wasn't ever
talking about the day or hour,
00:38:28.71\00:38:30.59
he was talking
about the season of time.
00:38:30.60\00:38:32.55
Yes! You know, we've been
talking about the fig tree,
00:38:32.56\00:38:34.80
you know, when it begins
to, when you see its leaves,
00:38:34.81\00:38:36.90
you know, the season when
you see the rapprochement,
00:38:36.91\00:38:39.41
when you the signs
happening, then you know,
00:38:39.42\00:38:41.18
yes, that's it's
near even at the door.
00:38:41.19\00:38:43.04
Yes! And so, God does design
00:38:43.05\00:38:46.46
that we know what the signs
are of the imminent return.
00:38:46.47\00:38:50.03
Yes! The nearness of his return.
00:38:50.04\00:38:51.53
But he has given
us the day or hour.
00:38:51.54\00:38:53.26
I like that you said
that because, you know,
00:38:53.27\00:38:55.69
we may not know
the date or the hour,
00:38:55.70\00:38:57.90
but we know it's there.
00:38:57.91\00:38:59.44
Right! And we can rejoice
00:38:59.45\00:39:00.77
the deliverance
is coming, you know.
00:39:00.78\00:39:02.47
And time prophecy
helps us know that as well,
00:39:02.48\00:39:05.04
because if you look at
the time prophecies of Daniel,
00:39:05.05\00:39:07.59
which referred
to the lateral days.
00:39:07.60\00:39:09.12
This time prophecies
take us into the latter days,
00:39:09.13\00:39:11.31
the last days.
Yes! You find that
00:39:11.32\00:39:13.79
that the messianic
prophecy that starts
00:39:13.80\00:39:16.52
also the 2300 year
prophecy which begins in 457 BC.
00:39:16.53\00:39:23.11
Started that
timeline points to Christ,
00:39:23.12\00:39:25.17
he came right on
time and continues on
00:39:25.18\00:39:27.32
the end of time
1844, where Christ resumed,
00:39:27.33\00:39:30.98
then transition His ministry
into the most holy place,
00:39:30.99\00:39:34.03
the heavenly
sanctuary and continues now
00:39:34.04\00:39:36.83
in the pre-advent judgment
phase prior to His return.
00:39:36.84\00:39:40.28
We know these
things as Adventist,
00:39:40.29\00:39:41.75
but we know them
because the time prophecies
00:39:41.76\00:39:44.10
have told us that we're
now living in the last days.
00:39:44.11\00:39:46.68
And if you accept futurism,
if you accept preterism
00:39:46.69\00:39:49.67
and you throw out historicism,
00:39:49.68\00:39:51.34
you loose the element of time.
00:39:51.35\00:39:52.92
Yes! And that's where people
00:39:52.93\00:39:54.60
are going wrong today
in trying to figure out
00:39:54.61\00:39:59.32
when Jesus is coming.
00:39:59.33\00:40:00.46
And they do that, you
know, out of honest heart.
00:40:00.47\00:40:03.04
I'm not going to judge that.
00:40:03.05\00:40:04.47
For the most part
we can say that's true.
00:40:04.48\00:40:05.86
Yeah, and I think that,
00:40:05.87\00:40:08.29
I think they are doing
also because they sense
00:40:08.30\00:40:10.62
that this world
00:40:10.63\00:40:11.75
cannot continue
much longer as it is.
00:40:11.76\00:40:14.20
It is really
falling apart quickly.
00:40:14.21\00:40:16.20
Yes, that's true.
00:40:16.21\00:40:17.31
And of course but
we would tell you that
00:40:17.32\00:40:19.81
just by the time prophecies
when the last days begin.
00:40:19.82\00:40:22.78
So anyway what I like to do here
00:40:23.82\00:40:25.90
for the rest of
this, because we kind of
00:40:25.91\00:40:27.32
reestablish our
foundation in historicism.
00:40:27.33\00:40:30.07
Now we want to
transition into interpretation
00:40:30.08\00:40:32.79
of symbols that we
take a look at few examples.
00:40:32.80\00:40:36.96
Let me share with you a
text though before we go there.
00:40:36.97\00:40:39.74
It's from Isaiah
Chapter 28 verses 9 and 10.
00:40:39.75\00:40:43.38
If you want to
turn with me there,
00:40:43.39\00:40:44.74
Isaiah 28 verses 9 and 10.
00:40:46.57\00:40:53.56
Very good.
00:40:56.39\00:40:57.36
This passage comes about...
00:40:57.37\00:40:58.85
it's a prophecy I
believe against Ephraim,
00:41:00.29\00:41:04.56
but they are also
within the prophets of old,
00:41:04.57\00:41:08.01
they are also
contained within the prophecies
00:41:09.05\00:41:11.04
from the old prophets
00:41:11.05\00:41:12.24
elements of end time
event prophecies as well.
00:41:13.48\00:41:18.11
And so we see
here several things
00:41:18.12\00:41:20.69
that are going on
with regard to Ephraim,
00:41:20.70\00:41:22.97
but then we see
a general prophecy
00:41:22.98\00:41:24.85
or general
statement about knowledge
00:41:24.86\00:41:27.56
knowing these things
that are coming to past.
00:41:27.57\00:41:30.21
And so we read in verse 9.
00:41:30.22\00:41:33.13
To whom will He teach knowledge?
00:41:33.14\00:41:35.87
And whom will He make
to understand the message?
00:41:37.01\00:41:40.35
Those just weaned from milk?
00:41:40.36\00:41:42.12
Those just
drawn from the breast?
00:41:42.13\00:41:44.59
For precept
must be upon precept,
00:41:44.64\00:41:47.61
precept upon
precept; line upon line,
00:41:47.62\00:41:50.01
line upon line; here a little,
00:41:50.02\00:41:51.86
there a little.
00:41:51.87\00:41:53.36
For with stammering
lips and another tongue
00:41:53.37\00:41:55.57
he will speak to his
people, to this people.
00:41:55.58\00:41:58.72
To whom he
said, This is the rest
00:41:58.73\00:42:00.34
with which you may
cause the weary to rest;
00:42:00.35\00:42:02.87
and this is the refreshing:
yet they would not hear.
00:42:02.88\00:42:06.07
But the word of
the Lord was to them.
00:42:06.08\00:42:08.17
Notice the word of
the Lord was to them
00:42:08.18\00:42:10.56
precept upon
precept, precept upon precept;
00:42:10.57\00:42:13.13
line upon line, line upon line;
00:42:13.14\00:42:14.60
here a little, there a little;
00:42:14.61\00:42:15.84
but that they might
go, and fall backward,
00:42:15.85\00:42:18.05
and be broken, and
snared, and be caught.
00:42:18.06\00:42:21.32
So they rejected the
word that was supposed
00:42:21.33\00:42:23.75
to be established
precept upon precept,
00:42:23.76\00:42:26.69
so that they might
fall backward and be caught
00:42:26.70\00:42:29.01
in their own snare
00:42:29.02\00:42:29.99
by rejecting the
word of the Lord.
00:42:30.00\00:42:31.13
But notice here it
says the word of the Lord
00:42:31.14\00:42:33.65
to understand it you
must go precept by precept.
00:42:33.66\00:42:36.79
That's right. Line upon line,
00:42:36.80\00:42:38.26
here a little, there a little.
00:42:38.27\00:42:39.36
And so scripture
cannot or should never be
00:42:39.37\00:42:43.09
and especially
with regard to prophecy
00:42:43.10\00:42:44.55
we're talking about today
00:42:44.56\00:42:45.77
should never be
of one's own opinion.
00:42:45.78\00:42:49.00
That's right. And the
Bible is clear about that.
00:42:49.01\00:42:50.85
We've read another
text about no prophecies
00:42:50.86\00:42:53.10
given by the will
of man and it should be
00:42:53.11\00:42:56.26
never given as a
private interpretation
00:42:56.27\00:42:59.06
by an
individual, but interpreted
00:42:59.07\00:43:01.29
by the Bible itself.
00:43:01.30\00:43:02.98
So we want to give you
some examples of what the Bible,
00:43:02.99\00:43:06.56
how the Bible interprets itself,
00:43:06.57\00:43:08.18
so that you may get
into study of the scriptures.
00:43:08.19\00:43:11.27
I've this chart that
I've created over few years
00:43:11.28\00:43:16.43
and it's titled a
biblical interpretation
00:43:16.44\00:43:18.87
of prophetic symbols.
00:43:18.88\00:43:20.71
And I basically put together
symbols found in prophecy.
00:43:20.72\00:43:24.25
The next column is a
literal meaning of that symbol.
00:43:24.26\00:43:27.70
And the last column is the
Bible text to establish that.
00:43:27.71\00:43:31.79
And so, for example the
first one we'll talk about
00:43:31.80\00:43:34.87
here is the word beast.
00:43:34.88\00:43:37.61
Johnny I've heard
for years with regard
00:43:37.62\00:43:40.08
to the mark of the beast.
00:43:40.09\00:43:41.93
That the beast
is some government
00:43:41.94\00:43:44.32
or the beast is some computer.
00:43:44.33\00:43:46.72
Some computer, yes.
00:43:46.73\00:43:47.72
Or the beast is
some kind of world,
00:43:47.73\00:43:50.63
you know, controlling power.
00:43:50.64\00:43:52.80
There was for a
time some people saying
00:43:52.81\00:43:55.02
that the mark of the
beast was the bar code
00:43:55.03\00:43:58.22
that is on the product labels.
00:43:58.23\00:44:00.48
There you go, there is
another one and then now
00:44:00.49\00:44:02.37
we're seeing that the
mark of the beast involves
00:44:02.38\00:44:04.51
the chips that are
going to go, you know,
00:44:04.52\00:44:05.94
being planted into people
wrist or heads or whatever.
00:44:05.95\00:44:08.91
All kinds of inventions is to
00:44:08.92\00:44:10.71
what this mark of the beast is.
00:44:10.72\00:44:13.06
But to understand the
mark, you got to find out
00:44:13.07\00:44:15.25
what the beast means?
00:44:15.26\00:44:16.65
Right! You know,
who is this beast?
00:44:16.66\00:44:18.72
And so instead of
thinking well what kind of thing
00:44:18.73\00:44:22.26
could happen today
that we'll be able to impose
00:44:22.27\00:44:24.92
a mark that must be the beast.
00:44:24.93\00:44:26.90
You need to say
00:44:26.91\00:44:27.88
what is the Bible
say that the beast is?
00:44:27.89\00:44:31.00
And so let's see
what the Bible says
00:44:31.01\00:44:33.45
that the beast
is using this chart.
00:44:33.46\00:44:37.06
The literal meaning of
beast is king or kingdom,
00:44:37.07\00:44:40.03
or someone wants to
say king with a kingdom.
00:44:40.04\00:44:43.11
This is the
definition of what a beast is.
00:44:43.12\00:44:46.52
And I get that definition,
we get that definition
00:44:46.53\00:44:49.00
from the scriptures
found in Daniel Chapter 7.
00:44:49.01\00:44:51.93
We'll turn there Daniel
Chapter 7 verses 17 and 23.
00:44:53.81\00:44:59.08
And so going to
Daniel Chapter 7. Daniel 7.
00:45:00.60\00:45:05.27
Wants you to read 17
first and then we'll read 23.
00:45:05.28\00:45:08.54
Daniel Chapter 7 verse 17.
00:45:08.55\00:45:10.73
These great beasts,
which are four, are four kings,
00:45:10.74\00:45:14.48
which shall
arise out of the earth.
00:45:14.49\00:45:16.41
Okay, so these
great beasts which are
00:45:16.42\00:45:18.41
four are four
kings, so the first thing
00:45:18.42\00:45:20.69
we find is that
a king is connected
00:45:20.70\00:45:22.23
to this beast
power, any beast power
00:45:22.24\00:45:24.08
that is a symbol in prophecy.
00:45:24.09\00:45:26.41
But if you look
down little further,
00:45:26.42\00:45:27.77
it gets a little more specific.
00:45:27.78\00:45:29.06
Yes! It says in verse 23
00:45:29.07\00:45:32.05
in regard to the fourth beast.
00:45:32.06\00:45:33.97
This is the fourth beast
shall be a fourth kingdom
00:45:33.98\00:45:37.31
on the earth.
00:45:37.32\00:45:38.54
So evidently it's not
a king that stands alone,
00:45:38.55\00:45:42.18
it's more a reference
to a king over a kingdom.
00:45:42.19\00:45:44.79
Yes! He has got a
power that he can move,
00:45:44.80\00:45:46.87
he can drive and he
can lead and control things
00:45:46.88\00:45:50.78
around him, people
around him, whatever it maybe.
00:45:50.79\00:45:53.82
And so that's why I
put here as a definition
00:45:53.83\00:45:56.48
of beast it's
king with a kingdom.
00:45:56.49\00:45:58.76
That's right. All right.
00:45:58.77\00:46:00.02
So there is...the Bible pretty
much is interpreting itself.
00:46:00.03\00:46:04.11
We don't have to
guess what a beast is.
00:46:04.12\00:46:06.47
The Bible tells
us what the beast is
00:46:06.48\00:46:08.17
in Bible prophecy.
00:46:08.18\00:46:09.22
That's right. I'm
talking about in Bible prophecy.
00:46:09.23\00:46:10.66
That's right. And
so yeah, we don't have
00:46:10.67\00:46:12.91
to start guessing now, so
we can plug that right in,
00:46:12.92\00:46:15.54
so as you are reading
beast in Daniel and Revelation
00:46:15.55\00:46:18.76
put in their kingdom.
00:46:18.77\00:46:19.88
Now you won't
identify the specific kingdom
00:46:19.89\00:46:21.92
until you understand
the historicist timeline,
00:46:21.93\00:46:24.90
the progression of
kingdoms through our time.
00:46:24.91\00:46:27.31
And we talked about
in the previous program.
00:46:27.32\00:46:29.61
I think it was
part two of this program
00:46:29.62\00:46:31.03
where Daniel
Chapter 2 refers to an image
00:46:31.04\00:46:35.17
with various
medals starting with
00:46:35.18\00:46:37.38
a head of goat which is Babylon.
00:46:37.39\00:46:39.93
We read them in
Daniel 8 a shift from medals
00:46:39.94\00:46:43.86
to beast powers.
00:46:43.87\00:46:45.80
Yes! Daniel 7
and 8 into this beast
00:46:45.81\00:46:48.28
that go forward and
conquer one and another.
00:46:48.29\00:46:50.72
And we find that after
Babylon comes Medo-Persia.
00:46:50.73\00:46:54.99
After Medo Persia comes Greece.
00:46:55.00\00:46:56.97
Two kingdoms specifically
identify to Daniel 8.
00:46:56.98\00:46:59.58
That's right. So we
don't even have to answer that.
00:46:59.59\00:47:01.52
We interpret that from
the Bible and from history.
00:47:01.53\00:47:05.61
And then we get
into our fourth kingdom.
00:47:05.62\00:47:07.99
And so we must ask our
self as we're interpreting
00:47:08.00\00:47:10.51
what is this fourth
beast, because it didn't tell us
00:47:10.52\00:47:12.55
specifically, it
just describe him, he is,
00:47:12.56\00:47:14.59
he is got iron
involved, we know,
00:47:14.60\00:47:16.82
that's the legs of iron.
00:47:16.83\00:47:18.49
This beast is dreadful
and terrible and breaks
00:47:18.50\00:47:20.76
in pieces
anything that he conquers.
00:47:20.77\00:47:22.78
It's an empire
worldwide, worldwide,
00:47:22.79\00:47:25.87
and so you start to
nail these things down,
00:47:25.88\00:47:28.20
the last question
you got to ask yourself
00:47:28.21\00:47:29.94
is which beast or which
kingdom conquered Greece?
00:47:29.95\00:47:34.16
Because that's who he succeeded.
00:47:34.17\00:47:36.38
That's right. And
who is that beast power,
00:47:36.39\00:47:38.23
the entire Rome. That's right.
00:47:38.24\00:47:40.14
So you can only
conclude it's got to be Rome.
00:47:40.15\00:47:42.43
It's got to be Rome.
00:47:42.44\00:47:43.41
And then of
course out of Rome comes
00:47:43.42\00:47:44.41
this little horn power
that is not only political
00:47:44.42\00:47:46.60
but is also religious
because it gets into...
00:47:46.61\00:47:49.79
it gets involved
with the picture of God.
00:47:49.80\00:47:52.73
The blasphemies against God
00:47:52.74\00:47:53.99
or poses God and another things.
00:47:54.00\00:47:55.39
So then you have out
of Rome comes a church.
00:47:55.40\00:47:59.44
And so this is
where the progression,
00:47:59.45\00:48:00.79
this is where the
Protestant reformers, yes,
00:48:00.80\00:48:03.76
started and they
understood this progression,
00:48:03.77\00:48:06.70
but only in the last couple
centuries or three centuries,
00:48:06.71\00:48:11.72
maybe I'd say,
futurism has really kind of
00:48:11.73\00:48:14.80
replaced in the minds of many
00:48:14.81\00:48:17.47
the interpretive
method of historicism.
00:48:17.48\00:48:20.57
And people are now
throwing all the prophecies
00:48:20.58\00:48:23.72
of Daniel and
Revelation into the future.
00:48:23.73\00:48:25.85
Yes! And they really
destroy the prophetic time
00:48:25.86\00:48:29.41
and intended very much by God
00:48:29.42\00:48:31.72
through the visions
given To Daniel and to John.
00:48:31.73\00:48:34.34
You know, you we were talking
one of the questions that
00:48:36.11\00:48:41.23
the word of God is
a lamp unto our feet
00:48:41.24\00:48:44.74
and light into our path.
00:48:44.75\00:48:46.48
Now here we have the word of God
00:48:46.49\00:48:47.92
shedding light as
to what a beast is?
00:48:47.93\00:48:50.77
We don't have to guess.
00:48:50.78\00:48:52.31
To deviate from that,
then you are in darkness.
00:48:52.32\00:48:54.36
Right! You are not
in the path of light.
00:48:54.37\00:48:55.99
Good point.
00:48:56.00\00:48:56.97
So we have here what
the Bible has declared
00:48:56.98\00:49:00.40
and really when you
are looking at a prophecies
00:49:00.41\00:49:03.62
you have to find what
fulfills all the details
00:49:03.63\00:49:06.69
of the prophecy.
00:49:06.70\00:49:07.68
And so when you say
what kingdom follows
00:49:07.69\00:49:12.02
Greece and really all
we've to do from our perspective
00:49:12.03\00:49:15.82
now in history to
look back and says
00:49:15.83\00:49:17.47
which kingdom was this.
00:49:17.48\00:49:18.64
And there is a
fit, the specifications
00:49:18.65\00:49:21.20
of the prophecy, the
details that we find there.
00:49:21.21\00:49:23.69
Right. We're
sure enough it does,
00:49:23.70\00:49:24.96
we find it Rome was that devour.
00:49:24.97\00:49:27.06
And it may not be
politically correct, you know.
00:49:27.07\00:49:30.09
That's true. As some
people say oh, that's hateful,
00:49:30.10\00:49:31.81
you know, that's wrong.
00:49:31.82\00:49:33.43
That's what the word says.
00:49:33.44\00:49:34.43
We're just
following what the word says
00:49:34.44\00:49:36.73
in interpreting itself.
00:49:36.74\00:49:38.16
Another one here that we
can find as just an example.
00:49:38.17\00:49:41.54
A woman, what does
the woman represent?
00:49:43.92\00:49:46.24
While there are two
kinds of woman represented
00:49:46.25\00:49:48.76
in the book of Revelation,
00:49:48.77\00:49:50.23
you find a pure
woman in Revelation 12.
00:49:50.24\00:49:52.93
She talks about having
garland of 12 stars on her head,
00:49:54.03\00:49:57.75
her feet stand on
the moon, she is pure.
00:49:57.76\00:49:59.93
There is definitely a picture
there of purity and holiness.
00:50:02.07\00:50:05.35
Then there is another
woman in Revelation 17
00:50:05.36\00:50:07.88
which is a harlot.
00:50:07.89\00:50:09.48
In fact referred
to as the Babylon,
00:50:09.49\00:50:11.56
the mother of harlots.
00:50:11.57\00:50:13.16
She has children as well who
are also committing harlotry.
00:50:13.17\00:50:16.80
And so we need to ask well
what is the woman represent
00:50:16.81\00:50:20.24
then, because there is
also, there are two women.
00:50:20.25\00:50:23.13
There is a pure woman and
there is this harlot woman.
00:50:23.14\00:50:25.91
What does the
Bible say about a woman?
00:50:25.92\00:50:28.28
And this chart as I go through
00:50:28.29\00:50:30.29
and find
scripture to support this.
00:50:30.30\00:50:33.04
If you keep
mentioning this chart, I guess,
00:50:34.04\00:50:35.73
our listeners and
viewers are wondering,
00:50:35.74\00:50:37.99
well where can I
get one of these charts,
00:50:38.00\00:50:39.84
so if you continue with us,
00:50:39.85\00:50:41.99
we're gonna share with you.
00:50:42.00\00:50:42.97
Yeah, we'll share
in a couple of minutes
00:50:42.98\00:50:44.69
where you can
get his chart from.
00:50:44.70\00:50:45.85
Thank you for reminding me that,
00:50:45.86\00:50:46.95
because I do intend to
provide that information.
00:50:46.96\00:50:49.76
If you look at then,
you're looking scriptures
00:50:50.23\00:50:53.71
to what defines or what provides
00:50:53.72\00:50:55.93
the key to understanding
what the symbol of woman means.
00:50:55.94\00:50:59.09
You can go to
Jeremiah 6 verse 2,
00:50:59.10\00:51:01.88
which Johnny if you
can pick up Jeremiah 6:2,
00:51:03.35\00:51:06.08
I'll go to 2nd Corinthians 11:2.
00:51:06.09\00:51:11.25
Jeremiah Chapter 6 verse 2,
we have the following words.
00:51:11.26\00:51:16.46
I have likened
the daughter of Zion
00:51:16.47\00:51:19.77
to a comely and delicate woman.
00:51:19.78\00:51:22.45
So the daughter of Zion,
God's people are referred
00:51:23.56\00:51:26.51
to as a lovely, delicate woman.
00:51:26.52\00:51:29.91
So not a harlot,
but one that is pure.
00:51:29.92\00:51:32.32
Yes! It's interesting
too that when Jerusalem
00:51:32.33\00:51:34.72
and Israel for that
matter the northern kingdom
00:51:36.03\00:51:38.33
began to astray and
bow down to other Gods.
00:51:38.34\00:51:41.23
He referred to them as a harlot.
00:51:41.24\00:51:42.77
Yes. Yes.
00:51:42.78\00:51:44.16
So, the woman
had become corrupted,
00:51:44.17\00:51:46.76
but still it was a
woman and it was the people
00:51:46.77\00:51:49.99
that claim to follow God.
00:51:50.00\00:51:51.37
Yes! But they were
doing it through harlotries
00:51:51.38\00:51:53.55
which was not God's way.
00:51:53.56\00:51:55.25
What God wants
pure faithfulness.
00:51:55.26\00:51:57.33
Yes, and this is why we,
even during the time of Jesus,
00:51:57.34\00:52:00.35
he says these people draw
nigh to me with their lips.
00:52:00.36\00:52:04.33
But their heart if far from me.
00:52:04.34\00:52:06.87
So that in itself
tells you some details,
00:52:06.88\00:52:10.28
so Israel have become corrupt.
00:52:10.29\00:52:11.94
Yeah, then if you
look at another verse
00:52:11.95\00:52:14.71
I got to 2nd
Corinthians 11 verse 2.
00:52:14.72\00:52:18.06
Speaking to the church now,
this letter is to the church.
00:52:18.07\00:52:21.35
Paul says, For I am jealous
for you with godly jealousy.
00:52:21.36\00:52:24.83
For I have
betrothed you to one husband,
00:52:24.84\00:52:29.02
that I may present you as
a chaste virgin to Christ.
00:52:29.03\00:52:33.28
Beautiful. So the
virgin, the bride of Christ,
00:52:33.29\00:52:36.36
the pure woman is the church.
00:52:36.37\00:52:39.45
Amen! So and there is
a couple of others here.
00:52:39.46\00:52:42.02
And let me share this
chart we're reading from,
00:52:42.03\00:52:44.66
I'm happy to send
to you if you like
00:52:44.67\00:52:46.18
to send me an email.
00:52:46.19\00:52:48.19
I'll put the onus
on you to ask for it.
00:52:48.20\00:52:50.22
You can send me an email
00:52:50.23\00:52:51.32
at pastorstanton@gmail.com.
00:52:51.33\00:52:54.12
that's pastorstanton@gmail.com.
00:52:54.13\00:52:58.44
And I'll be happy to just reply
00:52:58.45\00:53:00.46
without saying much
just with an attachment
00:53:00.47\00:53:02.36
of this specific chart to you.
00:53:02.37\00:53:04.48
Feel free to send me that email
00:53:04.49\00:53:06.55
and I'm happy to do just that.
00:53:06.56\00:53:08.54
And there is a
lot of difference...
00:53:08.55\00:53:09.57
So you are saying
that's free. Pardon.
00:53:09.58\00:53:11.56
It will be free.
00:53:11.57\00:53:12.54
It will be free, absolutely,
so just send me an email,
00:53:12.55\00:53:15.07
I'll send you back to you
free no charge absolutely.
00:53:15.08\00:53:17.92
Lots of symbols represented
in prophecy are found here
00:53:17.93\00:53:21.68
with the interpretive
meaning and scripture references
00:53:21.69\00:53:25.43
for that, so you know
00:53:25.44\00:53:27.25
some of these are, I'll just
mention a few of these here,
00:53:27.26\00:53:30.53
so that people are aware
00:53:30.54\00:53:32.07
of what that maybe
coming on this chart.
00:53:32.08\00:53:33.79
It is a really full sheet
of information in small fonts.
00:53:33.80\00:53:38.69
Yes, very small font.
00:53:38.70\00:53:39.93
So you have the
symbol of angel, Babylon,
00:53:39.94\00:53:43.08
beast image, lamb, lion,
serpent, stars, wilderness,
00:53:43.09\00:53:49.94
wine and many more
here are in this chart.
00:53:49.95\00:53:53.64
And so we would
like to encourage you to
00:53:53.65\00:53:56.20
do yourself a favor. Yes!
00:53:56.21\00:53:57.54
And get this chart again
where do you get it from.
00:53:57.55\00:54:00.09
Pastor Stanton, just straight
00:54:00.10\00:54:02.67
together
pastorstanton@gmail.com.
00:54:02.68\00:54:06.98
And I'm happy to
return it just free of charge
00:54:06.99\00:54:09.48
with the
attached reference here.
00:54:09.49\00:54:12.22
And I pray that
I'll be blessing to you.
00:54:13.42\00:54:14.87
Now Johnny we've talked
about then several things
00:54:14.88\00:54:19.30
here in the study of
how to understand prophecy.
00:54:19.31\00:54:21.74
We've talked about
the method, methodology.
00:54:21.75\00:54:23.99
Yes! How important is to stick
00:54:24.00\00:54:25.62
to the Bibles
description of how prophecy
00:54:25.63\00:54:28.96
should be read which
is historical timeline,
00:54:28.97\00:54:32.97
known as a
historicism that has a beginning
00:54:32.98\00:54:34.95
and has an end, it's unbroken.
00:54:34.96\00:54:36.88
That's a key
point, it's unbroken.
00:54:36.89\00:54:38.78
Yes! The second part is that
00:54:38.79\00:54:41.98
you would use
scripture in define it symbols
00:54:41.99\00:54:44.76
within the
context of comparing it
00:54:44.77\00:54:46.58
with other scripture. Yes!
00:54:46.59\00:54:48.08
Let the Bible define itself,
00:54:48.09\00:54:49.33
don't give some
private interpretation,
00:54:49.34\00:54:51.38
but let the
Bible speak for itself.
00:54:51.39\00:54:53.18
And when you do that
then prophecy comes alive.
00:54:53.19\00:54:57.05
Yes, it does, you
know, and I like to say
00:54:57.06\00:54:58.76
I'm glad you said it that way,
00:54:58.77\00:54:59.91
because just as you said
00:54:59.92\00:55:03.65
the scripture is not a
private interpretation.
00:55:03.66\00:55:06.11
I've heard, I've
talked to some people that say
00:55:06.12\00:55:08.71
well I know what that says,
00:55:08.72\00:55:10.66
but the Holy
Spirit has revealed to me
00:55:10.67\00:55:15.04
that this is what it is.
00:55:15.05\00:55:16.21
Right. When the
scriptures are clear
00:55:16.22\00:55:18.23
and when there is line
upon line, precept upon precept,
00:55:18.24\00:55:20.72
you say, you know, a
beast is a king of a kingdom,
00:55:20.73\00:55:23.36
or king with a kingdom.
00:55:23.37\00:55:25.00
And they say well I
know what that says,
00:55:25.01\00:55:26.91
however thus the Holy
Spirit has revealed to me
00:55:26.92\00:55:30.44
and this is dangerous,
you know, the Lord does
00:55:30.45\00:55:32.48
through the Holy Spirit
reveal things to people,
00:55:32.49\00:55:34.47
but when you are going contrary
00:55:34.48\00:55:35.75
to what is written in scriptures
00:55:35.76\00:55:37.11
and then you
have to put that away.
00:55:37.12\00:55:39.28
Right! And say let me
follow what the scripture say.
00:55:39.29\00:55:41.64
Yeah, amen,
very important to do,
00:55:41.65\00:55:43.77
because then you say I
stand on the word of God,
00:55:43.78\00:55:46.66
not on man's opinion,
not on my own opinion.
00:55:46.67\00:55:50.06
And of course, you know,
00:55:50.07\00:55:51.04
who can find
out the ways of God.
00:55:51.05\00:55:52.94
I mean the only way do that
is to go into the scriptures
00:55:52.95\00:55:54.86
and see what he says,
not to depend upon ourselves.
00:55:54.87\00:55:57.98
I like to read
this scripture for me.
00:55:57.99\00:55:59.48
Yeah, please do.
Just before the close.
00:55:59.49\00:56:00.99
And so after concerning
the study of the scriptures
00:56:01.00\00:56:03.55
and understanding them
00:56:03.56\00:56:05.26
in Isaiah Chapter 8 verse 20.
00:56:05.27\00:56:07.11
It says to the law
and to the testimony
00:56:07.12\00:56:10.33
if they speak not
according to this word
00:56:10.34\00:56:12.59
it is because there is no
light in them, or not truth.
00:56:12.60\00:56:16.53
When he is referring
to the word, the law,
00:56:16.54\00:56:18.43
he is talking about the
first five books of the Bible,
00:56:18.44\00:56:20.51
the testimony, or the
testimony of the scriptures.
00:56:20.52\00:56:22.67
And all scriptures are
given by inspiration of God.
00:56:22.68\00:56:26.24
Yeah, amen.
00:56:26.25\00:56:27.79
You know, what the other
things too that connecting
00:56:27.80\00:56:29.22
with that is Revelation itself
00:56:29.23\00:56:31.68
talks about the
testimony of Jesus.
00:56:31.69\00:56:33.91
You know,
Revelation is a revealing
00:56:33.92\00:56:37.01
of what is to come
to past by the words
00:56:37.02\00:56:39.73
and the
testimony of Christ himself
00:56:39.74\00:56:41.33
given through the angel to John.
00:56:41.34\00:56:43.06
Amen. And if you look there
00:56:43.07\00:56:45.09
though our scripture,
the testimony is referred to
00:56:45.10\00:56:47.79
as the prophetic
books specifically,
00:56:47.80\00:56:50.98
the major
prophets, the minor prophets
00:56:50.99\00:56:52.92
found in the can of scripture.
00:56:52.93\00:56:54.56
And so testimony is
still speaking today
00:56:54.57\00:56:57.62
when we prophesize,
when we give testimony.
00:56:57.63\00:57:00.58
Sometimes as we're
talking about those things
00:57:00.59\00:57:02.94
within the context of prophecy,
00:57:02.95\00:57:04.16
we're saying just
that the testimony is
00:57:04.17\00:57:06.32
God speaking through
His prophets to others.
00:57:06.33\00:57:09.35
And so praise the Lord
that we've that testimony
00:57:09.36\00:57:11.83
that is a light and
the lamp to our feet
00:57:11.84\00:57:15.02
and to our path today.
00:57:15.03\00:57:16.52
Well, we pray that
your experience here with us
00:57:16.53\00:57:19.26
in House Calls has been
one of a good keen insight
00:57:19.27\00:57:24.05
and helpful in your direction,
00:57:24.06\00:57:25.44
in your desire to
understand prophecy better.
00:57:25.45\00:57:27.55
May the Lord lead you.
00:57:27.56\00:57:29.21
May continue to
encourage you to read the word
00:57:29.22\00:57:31.42
and to unite with Him
00:57:31.43\00:57:33.02
to understand things
better in Jesus name.
00:57:33.03\00:57:35.25