Hello friends, grab a
Bible and a friend and sit back
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as we explore
God's word together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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It's great to have
you here with us again
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for another
edition of House Calls.
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We're excited that
you've joined us today
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and we invite
you into our study,
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our living room to
open God's word together
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as we learn from Him and we pray
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that each time we come together,
that is exactly what we do.
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And my name is
Pastor John Stanton.
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With me in the studio
today is Pastor C.A Murray,
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Pastor Murray, great to
have you here again with me.
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This is not a privilege
that is often offered to me
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but every time we get
to study the word together
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I'm blessed and
good to be with you.
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Yeah. Thank you very much.
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And we appreciate
again you joining us
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and as we begin today
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we're gonna get
into our questions.
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But we wanna start
with a word of prayer.
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So I would like
to invite you Pastor
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if you would share
with us. Glad to do so.
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Father God, we do thank you
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and praise you for
the power of your word.
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We thank you for that
when we study the word
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we're drawn closer to
you that we understand
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and know your
will for our lives.
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And till before
we open your word,
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before we go to your word
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we ask for your
presence and power
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that you're
Spirit might surround us,
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that it may quicken
our minds and our thinking
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so that those things that we say
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will be pretty hardworking
of your will through us
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and to us for those who sit
and listen and hear and watch.
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Bless this program Father
as we lift the name of Jesus
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and we thank you in
His dear name. Amen.
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Well, we wanna make sure that
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we get to a very
important part of the program,
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a big part
because you're involved
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and that is our questions today.
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And so before we get
into each of those questions
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what I wanna do is give you our
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options here for sending us them
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either by snail mail
which you're good at.
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I got a question right here.
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In fact we'll read
that from, who is it,
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Verna, this morning.
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Thank you for writing in Verna.
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But we also have email
and so we want to give you
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our email address, which is
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housecalls@3abn.org
housecalls@3abn.org
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If you send
those questions to us
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we'll do our best to
cover them on the program.
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So thank you very
much for you participation.
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And Pastor Murray, why don't we
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go ahead and jump in
here with our questions.
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Do you got one
today to start of with?
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Got one from Sesa a
viewer from South Africa,
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he wants to know dear Pastors,
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is Allah the true God our
creator or whose God is He.
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We believe in a creation account
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from Genesis 1,
John 1:1 through 5.
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In my opinion in studying this
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I believe Allah is the true God.
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I think the roots of Islam
and the roots of Christianity
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go back to a common ancestor.
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They've followed sort of
divergent theological alliance,
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but when you
scrape off of the theology
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a lot of it is man imposed.
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When you go back to
the common ancestor,
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we both revere Abraham,
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both faiths revere
Christ in a difference sense.
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Of course we think Him as God
they think Him as great prophet,
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but I believe Allah and
God are one and the same.
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The names are different.
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Of course with the different
names comes a different theology
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But I believe
Allah is a true God,
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listened to a very
good Sermon sometime ago
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by respected Adventist
preacher who was saying that
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there are some people
in the Christian faith
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who try to
demonize the Muslim faith.
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He was saying that
is not fair and I agree.
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And we talked about this.
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I don't think that the
extreme elements of a faith
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should define the
discussion. Right.
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We should look a little closer.
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So I believe Allah and
God are one of the same.
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I'm reading now,
working my way through the Quran
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which is quite a bit of work,
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because it's a
thick book, yeah, yeah.
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and it doesn't
particularly follow
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a storyline like the Bible does.
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So you got to really work at it.
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When I get free time I had
it on the plane the other day.
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And a fellow looking at
me got little nervous said
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why you're reading
a Quran on the plane.
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You know, so I
don't think I'll take
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my Quran on the plane any more.
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But I wanted to know
more about the faith,
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more about the religion.
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And the religion I see Allah
and God are one and the same.
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The names are
different and of course faith
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with different names
comes a different theology.
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Christ says, No man
cometh to the Father but by me.
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And that is a very exclusive
term if you wanna get to God.
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If you wanna get to Jehovah
God you go through Jesus Christ.
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Islam has a different corridor.
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But the person I'm
trying to get is the same.
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The theologies
certainly are different.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, when I think to
I like what you said there
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about not looking at the
stream elements of any faith
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and letting that
define the faith as a whole.
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Yes. I mean if we do that
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with Christianity
what would be, you know,
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what would be the result.
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If we go back into our history,
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you don't have
to go back too far
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to find the crusades
and some of the other things
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where we in the name of
God killed and wiped out many.
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Yes, yes. You go not too far
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in our history to find
certain elements of our faith
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that persecuted their own kind,
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up towards a 40,
50 million murders
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at the hands of
Christianity. Yes.
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So you know, we have to
be careful not to do that.
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Here at the same
time I agree that,
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you know boy, that Allah is God.
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It ties to the same, the
same ancestors we have there.
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Yet there's a lot that
comes with these names.
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When you say Allah you
don't think Christianity
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you think of you
know, Muslim or Islam.
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When you hear Christ as
Savior, that's Christianity.
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Yes. And so these faiths
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are very
different and I don't think
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we're suggesting that pick one.
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You know, no not at all.
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we defend the Christian faith
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because it is
significantly different.
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In fact out of all
religions I've found
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and maybe you
correct me if I am wrong,
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but Christianity
is the only religion
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where by we
cannot save ourselves.
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There is no works we can
do. There is nothing we can do.
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Christ has saved us
and He gives us that gift
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of salvation free in
response to our faith in Him.
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And I think that's where you
see the devil inserting himself
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into some of the
faith bases of the world
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that there is this attitude
of works or penance or something
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you have to do to add
to your own Salvation.
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Christianity is
very pure in that.
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The complete work is
done by Jesus Christ.
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Yeah. You accept that by faith
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and so it stands alone in
that, in that, in that wise.
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And that's why I
said that with names
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comes a theological package.
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So when you say the name Allah
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there is a theology
that goes with that.
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If you say any name,
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Buddha,
Confucianism, Jainism, Taoism
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anyone of the main
religions with that name
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although God is God,
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With a name comes a
theological package.
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As with Christianity
when we say Jehovah God
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we think
Father, Son, Holy Ghost,
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as theology that comes ahead.
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There is a way to get to God.
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There is a will
that God has for us.
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So the name may be the same
or the person behind the name
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but it is the
theology that divides.
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And that's where
of course we change.
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Yeah, yeah. Well,
I appreciate that.
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That's very good because that
question comes up quite a bit.
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Heard that several times
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so that's why we
wanted to cover it here.
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There is a
question here from Verna.
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Again thank you Verna
for sending in your question.
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She is asking here a question
about Revelation Chapter 15.
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And so let me
turn to Revelation 15
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here to see if I can
help with her question.
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She writes here that in
the Bible in Revelation 15:2
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it says that I saw as it were
a sea of glass mingled with fire
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and them that had gotten
the victory over the beast,
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over his image,
and over his mark,
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and over the number of his
name, stand on the sea of glass,
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having the harps of God.
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Then it says in
verse 5 and after that
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and she emphasizes after
that, I looked, and, behold,
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the temple of the tabernacle
of the testimony in heaven
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was opened and
then it goes from there.
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And she is saying
here it doesn't seem
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to at least eluding
it doesn't seem to go
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from one place to
a truth after that
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like it's a
sequence of events here.
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And I think she
is exactly right.
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And the Bible isn't
trying to say from here
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next what we find is in heaven
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or we're back on earth
so to speak in this case.
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What John is saying
is after this I saw.
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Yes. In other words
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after I saw that I
saw this and so that's,
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that's what we're
finding here in this passage.
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Just for a quick think
here its kind of need of.
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I enjoy this
passage that you brought up,
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I've studied that many times.
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And you find in verse 2,
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we're talking about sea
of glass mingle with fire.
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A sea in prophecy is a
symbol is multitudes of people,
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You know, when you're
talking about a sea or waters.
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That's what it is talking about.
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And specifically it mentions
here that within that sea
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we find those who have
victory over the beast,
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over the image
and over his mark,
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referring to those specifically
the end of time that
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we see victory
standing probably symbolically
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with those of all
through out all time
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who are counted
among the redeemed.
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But notice here
specifically in verse 3 and 4
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the song that was sung
it was the song of the lamb
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or is the song of the
lamb that will be sung
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by this group of people
who had victory over the beast,
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over his image
and over his mark.
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And notice the
language here in verse 3.
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Great and
marvelous are your works,
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Lord God Almighty;
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just and true are your
ways, oh King of saints.
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And then notice the
Three Angels messages here.
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Who shall not fear you, O
Lord, and glorify your name?
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You are in glorified.
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For you alone are
holy for all nations
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shall come and
worship before you,
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for your judgments
have been manifested.
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All involved in the
First Angels message.
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All the elements. Yes.
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And it's almost
like the law Christ
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has given by God's people to
proclaim the everlasting Gospel.
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Then those who
receive the victory,
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get the victory over
the beast and over his image
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and over his
mark respond the echo,
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of the call of the
First Angels message.
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And so in fact they're
saying we heard the message,
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we got the picture
and we're with you.
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And that's how
they gain the victory.
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And so after that scene then
we find the scene shifts back
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to a progression
then from Chapter 14 on.
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It's almost like this is
a mini-interlude of sorts.
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Then it progresses
on after these things,
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now let's
continue with our study,
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we find that the tabernacle,
the temple of the tabernacle
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of the testimony in heaven
was opened and then came forth
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from that the Seven
Angels having the seven plagues.
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And then the
plagues are poured out.
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So that's where we find
in the progression in 15
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and then it goes on into 16 with
the seven last plagues as well.
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That's about as best as I
could, I could do on that.
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I mean it's not a
huge theological issue
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but we do have to sometimes
understand what John is saying
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and then what God is
saying happens in sequence.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well done.
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All right. Do you
have another question?
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One more Dear John and John.
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In this case John and C.A. Yeah.
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I always thought God
wrote the Ten Commandments.
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Now I'm hearing that
it was Jesus, the word.
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I know they are three
in one but please explain
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was it the Father or the
Son? Interesting question.
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And I think I
wanna look at this way.
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When we talk about God,
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Genesis 1:1, in the beginning
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God created the
Heaven and the Earth.
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My Hebrew, a little
rusty, Berashith Bara Elohim.
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The term God does not
designate an individual.
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It is not a personal
name for God, the Father.
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Right. God is more of a title,
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in office like
Pastor or Elder. Right.
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So and of course in Genesis
1:1, Elohim is a plural term.
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The "im" is a plural ending.
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So when we talk
about God we can be talking
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about either of
the three or all three.
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Because God is not
a name for a person
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it's a title it's an office.
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The more personal
names are Jehovah or Adonai
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or names that come like that.
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So when you say God or
when you see the word God
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it's really talking about
the office or the title of God.
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A text you show me that
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I just looked up
a little bit ago,
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Exodus Chapter 3 verse 14.
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Jesus Christ or rather Moses
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and God at the,
in verse 14 here,
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And God said to
Moses I Am Who I Am?
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Or I'm, that I am, depending
on what version you have.
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He said, Thus you shall
say to the children of Israel,
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the 'I Am' has sent you.
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Now if you go over the Luke 4,
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Christ is
standing up in the temple
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and he is standing up
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he is reading from
the Book of Isaiah.
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First four,
beginning about verse 16
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when He puts the book down
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he says this day is
fulfilled in your ears.
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And of course immediately
the Jews wanted to kill him
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because they realized
that He was saying I'm God.
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I was I was the one that
met Moses at that burning bush.
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Precisely that's
yeah. I'm the deliver.
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That's what He is
saying, that this is me.
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So, Christ takes this claim
on himself and the Jews realized
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that he was taking that claim
because they want to kill him.
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For making that statement they
want to take him out right then.
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So, we see then that
during this dispensation Christ
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was part of this whole thing.
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It was Christ that
met Moses on the mountain.
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It was Christ in the
pillar of cloud by day
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and the pillar of fire by night.
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These were all done by Christ.
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Once...man sinned,
Christ sort of stepped in
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and begin to takeover as far as
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communication and work with God.
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So we see by harmonizing
this Exodus and Luke and Isaiah
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and any number of other text
that we're dealing with Christ,
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and God does not designate
God the Father, God the Son,
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It is a title as
supposed on office
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a supposed to a person or name.
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You know, it makes sense to,
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would be that way
because if you look at
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even our theology the
Redeemer is the creator.
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Yes. Christ we find is the one
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that created this
world that brought
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Adam and then
Eve into existence.
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That formed the
world and everything in it.
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And so it makes sense that as
that world fell He would be the,
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He would come to the forefront
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to be its Redeemer
its savior its deliverer.
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So for Him to meet Moses and
say I'm gonna deliver my people.
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It's just like what He would
do having lost His creation,
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He then as the
Redeemer or first of all
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as the deliverer here
of Israel would step in
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and then lead them
out of the land of Egypt.
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Yes. And of course you know,
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he led them to the wilderness
and He comes all the way
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to the point where they're
down here at His first advent
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where He becomes
the Babe in the Manger
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and it's just
unfathomable for us
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really to
understand or comprehend this.
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But He comes as a
little baby and then of course
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through the teaching
that He has found in his word
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through studying He grows
up to realize and understand
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His mission is the
creator. I'm the, "I am."
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When He makes that statement
of course you're right,
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I mean they knew
exactly what he was saying
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and sought to kill Him
for it. And eventually did.
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We get a little more
justification for this
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and I'm haven't
told have my verse today.
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In the Book of
Colossians, you know,
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Paul runs Church of
Colosse and around verse 15, 16
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he really sort of makes
his left turn and goes into it.
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He is the image
of the invisible God,
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firstborn over all creation.
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For by Him all things are
created and all things exist
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Invisible, visible, thrones,
demonic principalities, powers
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all things are created
through Him and for Him.
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He is before all
things and in all things
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and in Him all things consist.
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He is the head of the body of
the Church who is the beginning,
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the firstborn
from the dead soul.
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We have this idea
that Christ is sort of step
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He steps forward.
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He was responsible for creation,
He is going to preserve it,
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He is going to redeem it,
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He is the principle
actor in this dispensation
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if I can use
that term in this age.
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For it pleased the Father that
in him should all fullness dwell
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So we see this
stepping forward of Christ,
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you know, during this time.
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Creative, now
giving a self to redeem it,
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sent by the Father to do that
and so this contact this "I am"
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from Genesis
through to Exodus through
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to the New
Testament its all Jesus.
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You know, there is a
saying, maybe it's too simplify
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but I've used this analogy when
it comes to Jesus as our creator
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Because we
struggle this, you know,
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how do this creation
works? With Jesus step forward,
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you know, were
His hands involved,
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how is the Holy Spirit involved
because clearly the Bible
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says the Holy Spirit
was involved in moving
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upon the Earth
to create it. Yeah.
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And so I've kind of I
guess living in Springfield,
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Illinois for a while.
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There is a Frank
Lloyd Wright House there.
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And I got to think
about Frank Lloyd Wright.
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You know, he is a, you know,
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one of our famous
architects in America.
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Over years he has
done many building
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and he is revered for his work.
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When you think of
Frank Lloyd Wright
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he doesn't takes on a project
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unless he is
commissioned to do that, right?
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So I would call that the person
commissioning, God the Father.
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But then Frank
Lloyd Wright gets together
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and he is the
architect. He creates it.
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He forms it and
it's in his mind.
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He is gonna move forward now to
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to make this
thing become a reality.
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But then as it
begins to be built,
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he is not actually
swinging the hammer.
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He is not building
it, although we say
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Frank Lloyd
Wright built this house.
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There are people that
come forward to make it happen.
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Jesus is that Frank
Lloyd Wright and the builder
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those building it are
the Holy Spirit's work.
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So in a way you've
got kind of all three.
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And in any construction project
that happens you got commission,
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architect and builders.
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And you kind of see that with
God and through our scripture
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we find the Holy Spirit
moving and things come to being.
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But then you've
Jesus speaking the words
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and then the Holy
Spirit makes it happen.
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God is three in one because
they work always together.
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And even when it
comes to the redemption
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of His people God
is working together,
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the three in one
making it happen.
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Yeah, yeah. And it's
that way though that.
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You know, I like it,
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Any analogy any
parable that we use
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is going to be some what flawed.
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Because its humanity trying to
explain the actions of divinity.
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But I like that
because it does simplify
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kind of mix it kind of linear,
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three working together
to accomplish this goal.
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Yeah, yeah. Well
I've one more question
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here before we get
into our topic today
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and I think it's a
fairly, fairly quick one.
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It comes from Carla.
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And she writes if a pastor
who calls himself a prophet
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told me that God
has a message for me.
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should I believe him?
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Are prophecies
real in these times?
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Very interesting question.
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In fact for Carla and
anyone who has had this question
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in their minds who have
heard this from a pastor
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or someone who refers
to themselves as a prophet,
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I like to refer you to
a program that we did not
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too long ago on the
biblical test of a prophet.
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Yeah, because there
are things in the Bible
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that says a prophet
there is a standard of test
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that the prophet must meet.
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And it's not just one test
there are 12 that we gave there.
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That he must
meet a hundred percent
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or she must meet a
hundred percent to be referred
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to as a prophet or prophetess.
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So don't allow
someone just to kind of,
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I also see this as
manipulation a bit too.
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And I'm not trying to prejudge
this person but to just say
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I'm a prophet you got
to hear me and follow me,
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that to me is manipulative.
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Because I don't even really find
in scripture where a prophet
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speaks of himself
or testifies of himself
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as having a message from God.
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He always comes
with credentials.
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You know, he or she is known
as a prophet or prophetess.
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They're trusted.
They already have
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proven themselves and it's
a hundred percent accurate.
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And then they
come forward to maybe
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give a message to
God's people or to a person.
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You know, something
that paused my mind John.
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There are times when
people are given a word
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from the Lord for someone.
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I'm impressed to say
this to you, you know.
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And you maybe dipping
into the prophetic office
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where you're not
a prophet for say.
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You know, you have
a message for someone,
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you know, I see
something going on in your life
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I'm trying to encourage you.
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And the Lord says
hey tell John you know,
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he is feeling little bad today.
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You know what a year from now,
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this is going to behind
you and you're gonna be fine.
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Right. You know,
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that doesn't make me a prophet.
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I had a word from the Lord
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to sort of
encourage you along the way.
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But I don't say I'm a prophet
or have the prophetic office.
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And I think that program
really is one to refer to.
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There are number of
things, a number of tests
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that need to go through
and the person who claims that
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office must pass all of
them 100 percent at the time
00:22:06.49\00:22:09.87
as we establish in
that particular program.
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So we need to be very careful
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who we take
prophetic counsel from
00:22:13.82\00:22:17.76
because there are false
Christ a plenty and people
00:22:17.77\00:22:20.13
who make claims but their
life in the long run will show
00:22:20.14\00:22:23.87
if God is really speaking
for them or through them.
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That's right.
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You know the last
part of a question here
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is are prophecy
real in these times?
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And that's part of actually what
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we're covering
in our topic today.
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And just before we
transition to that topic
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I just like to give up
or put up our email address
00:22:38.61\00:22:41.86
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00:22:43.42\00:22:46.17
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Thank you so much for
participating in the program.
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The title of the
study today is prophecy,
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biblical rules and
methodology of interpretation.
00:23:06.80\00:23:09.83
And we gonna take a
couple programs to cover
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this because it's a
bit of material here.
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There are some things that kind
of coming out of the woodworks
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that woodwork that
people are talking about today.
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But I like to touch on not
just even within the Church
00:23:19.92\00:23:23.10
the Seventh-day
Adventist Church itself.
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But in general with
regard to understanding prophecy
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and reading the scriptures
00:23:29.57\00:23:31.44
and applying prophecy
correctly, how do we do that,
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what are some rules
that we need to be very,
00:23:34.57\00:23:36.69
that our biblical rules
very much that we need to honor
00:23:36.70\00:23:39.50
and respect and follow
to be able to make sure
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that we rightly
divide the word of truth.
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And so just we gonna
share some things with you here
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in the next couple of
programs on these things.
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And first of all I do
want to start with a text.
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And because some
maybe asking Pastor Murray
00:23:53.94\00:23:57.12
why are they
going into prophecy?
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I mean what's gonna
happen is gonna happen, right?
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And we know when it happens.
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Well let me share
this word with you here
00:24:04.10\00:24:06.47
from Revelation
Chapter 1 verse 3.
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After of course the...
or the step by step process
00:24:09.67\00:24:15.92
to which the
Revelation is delivered to John
00:24:15.93\00:24:19.90
by Christ himself
in verses 1 and 2.
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We read in verse 3.
00:24:22.08\00:24:24.03
Blessed is he who reads
and those who hear the words
00:24:24.04\00:24:28.69
of this prophecy,
and keep those things
00:24:28.70\00:24:31.74
which are written in
it for the time is near.
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So there is a blessing
for those who first of all
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who read and there is a
blessing for those who also hear
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or listen to those words.
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And so we want to say,
let me start of with this,
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I, Pastor I was in
before I became a pastor
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I was in the corporate
world for 15 years almost.
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And I sat down
with the gentleman
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who was in a Bible
study with me at that place.
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We had a Bible study
during lunch and he was a member
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of another
denomination in another faith.
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And we got to
talking and he said you know,
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Seventh-day Adventist they study
prophecy a lot, don't they?
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I said yeah.
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We enjoy that topic and
we think that biblically
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we can find the Bible,
the Bibles true explanation.
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Not only the prophecy in symbols
but the explanation of that
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and it's a big part of
our ministry its our message.
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And he said you know what?
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I just believe its gonna happen,
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its gonna happen
it doesn't matter.
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When Jesus comes, He is
gonna come doesn't matter.
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And I shared that text with him.
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I said so what do
you say about that.
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I mean if there is a blessing
here do we just kind of ignore
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the blessing and say whatever
is gonna happen is gonna happen.
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It doesn't seem like the
Lord is really saying that.
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And there are some other
things that we talked about
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there and he really
didn't have any answer,
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he talked around a little bit.
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But I think it was
really more of an effort
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to kind of reflect or
deflect any real discussion
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of a need to read and to study
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and to follow the
prophetic books and writings.
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You know, probably
I've taken a stab here
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but I think upwards of a quarter
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to a third of all of
scripture is prophetic,
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is a book of prophecy it comes
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from the prophets
and their own testimony,
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whether they're Major Prophets,
Minor Prophets whatever
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they may be is prophecy.
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So if you gonna say
lets throw our prophecy
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you gonna throw it all
an awful lot of scripture.
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And I don't think any
of us want to do that.
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But with a fact that
prophecy is important to read
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and to understand
especially I believe in the days
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that we're living wouldn't
it be just like the enemy
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to center his attack
on or focus his attack on,
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rather the fact
that we don't really
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or his assertion
that we don't really
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need to study prophecy. Yeah.
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Then we really don't
need to know what's you know,
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whether or not we're
living in the last days
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and what will
happen in these last days.
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You know, I turned very closely
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to 1st Thessalonians
Chapter 4 verse 13.
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Paul saying to the
Church of Thessalonians,
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I would not have you
to be ignorant, brethren,
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concerning those who are asleep.
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Well just as Paul
doesn't wants to be ignorant
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about that particular topic.
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God does not want his
people to be ignorant.
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There is nothing to be gained
by being, by being ignorant.
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God wants you people to
know and there is a blessing
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in knowing and
there are some things
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that we'll not know now
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and some things
we may never know.
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But that which is to
be known should be known.
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And God's people are
strengthened by knowing.
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And the Bible says I'll tell
you these things before hand
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so that when they do happen
you'll know, that I'm God.
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So, there is a blessing
in knowing what's coming.
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You know, I'll
tell a quick story.
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When we were kids we
used to watch this horror,
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these B horror movies my
sister and I on Saturday nights.
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And she was not in the
Church and I was and you know,
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that Lord would be
destroyed by giant ants
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or some monster would come along
and she would be horrified.
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Do you think
that's gonna happen?
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And I was in
Sabbath school I said,
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nah it's not gonna happen
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because I know it's
not gonna happen you know.
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So I said we're not to be scared
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because it's not
gonna end that way.
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It's going to end
with Christ coming.
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I didn't know a lot but
I knew it was going to end
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with the Second
Coming of the Lord
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and things are going
to be right, you know,
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rather taking
to heaven with Him.
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So I would sit back
and say I'm not scared
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because it can't end like that.
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Giant ants are not
going to eat up the world.
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You know, a 50 foot woman
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is not going to
stomp the world to death.
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Because I know how it's
going to end and that's not it.
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It's that kind of
thing. That's right.
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So there is a comfort
there is a blessing in knowing
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what's gonna happen so
that you can be prepared
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for what is going to happen.
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Particularly since
there is an adversary
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who wants to deceive
so you'll not be caught up
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in those deceptions
because you know the truth.
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I think it was
probably the predominant reason
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why Jesus is saying or He gives
us these things before hand.
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He is a deceiver is out there.
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He has been a liar
from the beginning,
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He'll always lie and
He is seeking to deceive.
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In fact one verse comes
to mind really very quickly
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if you're thinking
about prophecy if you look
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at Revelation Chapter 13
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verses 13 and 14 it says,
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he and we're not
go into who this he is
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but the point is what he does.
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He performs great
signs, so that he even
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makes fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men
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He deceives those who dwell
on the earth by those signs
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which he was granted to
do in the sight of the beast,
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telling those who dwell
on the earth to make an image
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to the beast who was
wounded by the sword and lived.
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Then of course it talks about
then those who followed Him
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and worship Him
receive the mark of the beast.
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So just in that, in that
short scene there we see that
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His whole motive for
bringing the world...
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down is deception.
It's deception. Correct.
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And he has always worked
that, we can deceive Eve.
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He tried his best to
our history to deceive
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Gods people in various ways.
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He is doing it
again in these last days.
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And if you don't know
the truth how you know
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when deception
comes? You'll not know.
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Very much so. And so you know,
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one of the things I
like to do to start off here
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and we have a little outline
that we're gonna go through.
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But I would like
to go first to Daniel
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and specifically couple
of verses Daniel 8 verse 26
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and then of course
Daniel 12 verses 4 through 9.
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And Daniel and Revelation
are book ends of prophecy
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of last day prophecies.
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From my quick
database check here in my mind.
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I don't recall any
other prophetic book
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that really tells
itself so much as being
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a Latter day prophecy
as the Book of Daniel.
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Correct. You know
at the end of Daniel
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we read this here in a
minute but the book is seal.
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What is in it is sealed
until the time of the end.
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And so first of all, do
you have Daniel 8:26 for us.
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I've got Daniel 8:26.
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You could you read that for
us, that will be great thanks.
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Let's see. And the
vision of the evenings
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and the mornings
which was told is true:
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Therefore seal up the vision,
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for it refers to
many days in the future.
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And that of course
ties back to the 2300 days,
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we know that prophecy
a day and prophecy a day
00:31:23.75\00:31:27.10
it was a year so its 2300 years.
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So there will be a
time period of 2300 years
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from its beginning
to end where prophecy
00:31:32.21\00:31:34.55
or these
prophecies would not be known.
00:31:34.56\00:31:36.60
They would be sealed up
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and people would
not understand them.
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Then now if you get
to Daniel Chapter 12
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and begin with
verse 4 there and read
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a little bit about how this...
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Well, let's start with
just Daniel 12:4 lets read that.
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Daniel 12 and verse 4.
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But you, Daniel,
shut up the words,
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and seal the book
until the time of the end;
00:32:06.62\00:32:09.54
many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall increase.
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All right, you know,
sometimes these verses read
00:32:13.91\00:32:16.42
and we talk about how
knowledge increases in the world
00:32:16.43\00:32:18.68
but really
contextually seal up the vision,
00:32:18.69\00:32:23.60
people will not
know it but at the time
00:32:23.61\00:32:26.07
of the end people will know it.
00:32:26.08\00:32:28.77
Yes. Knowledge will increase.
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Now that was people
understanding a prophecy will,
00:32:30.56\00:32:33.44
will be known. It
will be more widespread
00:32:33.45\00:32:35.64
that message that
prophetic message will go out.
00:32:35.65\00:32:38.06
And in fact if you
read on you'll find
00:32:38.07\00:32:40.17
in that same
chapter, chapter 12.
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There is a reference
there to a man verse 5,
00:32:43.22\00:32:47.71
clothed in linen
standing on a riverbank.
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And then verse 6, He was
above the waters of the river
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and the questions asked
how long shall the fulfillment
00:32:57.13\00:32:59.38
of these
wonders be. So you know,
00:32:59.39\00:33:01.07
how far do we have
to stretch to begin
00:33:01.08\00:33:02.58
to then understand these things.
00:33:02.59\00:33:03.85
And the answer comes
from the man in linen
00:33:04.65\00:33:07.81
who was above the waters
of the river when he held up
00:33:07.82\00:33:10.39
through his right hand
and his left hand to have a,
00:33:10.40\00:33:13.05
and swore by Him.
00:33:13.06\00:33:15.46
That is a capital
H in the translation
00:33:15.47\00:33:18.19
I've in King James Version.
00:33:18.20\00:33:19.56
Who lives for ever
that it shall be for a time,
00:33:19.57\00:33:22.75
times, and an half; and
when power of the Holy people
00:33:22.76\00:33:26.20
has been completely scatter
00:33:26.21\00:33:27.31
all these things
shall be finished.
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Yeah. Then now as I, and I said,
00:33:29.62\00:33:31.81
I made the comment here,
00:33:31.82\00:33:32.97
Daniel is a book
in with Revelation.
00:33:32.98\00:33:35.40
So you go to
Revelation Chapter 10
00:33:35.41\00:33:38.46
and you'll find the
same vision or the same,
00:33:38.47\00:33:41.81
it brings us back
to the same picture
00:33:41.82\00:33:43.47
where it says in
Revelation 10 verse 5,
00:33:44.72\00:33:46.71
an angel whom I
saw standing on the sea
00:33:46.72\00:33:49.55
and on the land
raised up his hand to heaven
00:33:49.56\00:33:51.28
and swore by Him who
lives forever and ever
00:33:51.29\00:33:53.47
who created heaven and
the things that are in it,
00:33:53.48\00:33:56.35
The earth and the
things that are in it,
00:33:56.36\00:33:57.72
and the sea and the
things that are in it.
00:33:57.73\00:33:59.59
But there should
be delay, no longer.
00:33:59.60\00:34:02.05
Interesting. There is this
delay where the book is sealed,
00:34:02.06\00:34:05.14
the people will not understand
00:34:05.15\00:34:07.01
and then no long
will there be a delay.
00:34:07.02\00:34:09.44
Yes, yes.
00:34:09.45\00:34:10.96
But in the days
of sounding, verse 7.
00:34:10.97\00:34:12.88
Days of the sounding
of the seventh angel,
00:34:12.89\00:34:14.68
when he is about to sound,
00:34:14.69\00:34:15.76
the mystery of
God would be finished,
00:34:15.77\00:34:18.62
as He declared to His
servants the prophets.
00:34:18.63\00:34:20.41
Now we tie that
back to Daniel 12,
00:34:20.42\00:34:24.00
it says that sea love the vision
because it won't become clear
00:34:24.01\00:34:28.06
until it's finished at the end.
00:34:28.07\00:34:30.23
Here it says that when
this happens the mystery of God
00:34:30.24\00:34:33.24
will be finished as he declared
to His servants the prophets.
00:34:33.25\00:34:36.93
So there was come a time
and there really even more
00:34:38.13\00:34:41.53
come a time that
becomes more evident
00:34:41.54\00:34:43.81
that prophets
will speak again. Yes.
00:34:43.85\00:34:46.55
Prophecy is
themselves will speak again
00:34:46.56\00:34:49.18
and a message will go
forth to the inhabitants
00:34:49.19\00:34:51.54
of the earth that
is no longer sealed
00:34:51.55\00:34:54.20
but open for understanding
and that people will be
00:34:54.21\00:34:57.33
able to know the time
in which way they live
00:34:57.34\00:35:00.74
and the things that
are about to take place.
00:35:00.75\00:35:03.04
You know, its interesting
too that though many times
00:35:03.05\00:35:05.62
as you really said
this knowledge shall be
00:35:05.63\00:35:07.97
increased is applied
to the secular world.
00:35:07.98\00:35:11.05
But a lot of these innovations,
00:35:11.06\00:35:15.16
this increase of
knowledge has enabled us
00:35:15.17\00:35:18.77
to get more access to
the Bible and to the work.
00:35:18.78\00:35:22.68
Surely printing and
those kinds of things
00:35:22.69\00:35:25.52
and of course now
you got the internet.
00:35:25.53\00:35:27.64
You can get the Bible,
you can attack the Bible.
00:35:27.65\00:35:30.05
Dialogue with people
on, can talk to people on,
00:35:30.46\00:35:32.77
like before we couldn't do that.
00:35:32.78\00:35:34.82
Now we get on a
phone, we get on computers,
00:35:34.83\00:35:36.54
we can share information.
00:35:36.55\00:35:37.99
So a lot of this new
knowledge has enabled us
00:35:38.32\00:35:41.16
really to delve into the
word, to share what we have,
00:35:41.17\00:35:45.19
this program you know,
00:35:45.20\00:35:47.02
is a part of an
increase in knowledge
00:35:47.63\00:35:49.65
so that we're sitting here
talking and people are consuming
00:35:49.66\00:35:53.20
what we're
saying around the world,
00:35:53.21\00:35:55.05
some agreeing, some disagreeing,
00:35:55.42\00:35:57.33
some being sent to the
word for themselves to study
00:35:57.34\00:36:00.13
and to check and
to pray about things.
00:36:00.14\00:36:02.49
So this is an attempt by
God to get access to the word,
00:36:02.53\00:36:08.49
through out the world. Yeah.
00:36:08.50\00:36:10.58
In a prior program I
know we read this first
00:36:12.61\00:36:14.13
but it comes from
Amos, God does nothing unless
00:36:14.14\00:36:18.43
He first reveals His secrets
unto his servants the prophets.
00:36:18.44\00:36:22.20
And we read here about that,
00:36:22.86\00:36:24.18
you know, His
servants the prophets.
00:36:24.19\00:36:25.47
Same reference
here in Revelation 10:7
00:36:25.48\00:36:27.77
that would be
declaring the message,
00:36:27.78\00:36:31.26
the prophetic
message in the last days.
00:36:31.27\00:36:34.13
And we can say
it's the last days
00:36:34.14\00:36:35.18
because Daniel
says that the things
00:36:35.19\00:36:36.57
become evident
in the Latter days.
00:36:36.58\00:36:37.97
It's about the Latter days.
00:36:37.98\00:36:39.28
And so we've come to a time
00:36:39.92\00:36:43.19
and maybe I
should not just ahead.
00:36:43.20\00:36:44.63
Have we come to a time
00:36:45.16\00:36:46.85
where we're in the
Latter days after this 2300 year
00:36:48.07\00:36:51.72
which is you know
day equals your period
00:36:51.73\00:36:54.82
where the word
is being understood,
00:36:54.83\00:36:57.31
the prophetic message
is being understood better.
00:36:57.32\00:36:59.16
It's being preached and
people have an opportunity
00:36:59.17\00:37:02.02
either to read and to
hear or like my dear brother
00:37:02.03\00:37:07.46
who I sat
across in the cafeteria
00:37:07.47\00:37:09.02
with who says it doesn't matter.
00:37:09.03\00:37:10.73
And if that time is in
fact today which I believe,
00:37:11.27\00:37:13.83
we believe is then
its time that all of us,
00:37:13.84\00:37:17.55
that all of you are
there also open the word
00:37:17.56\00:37:20.16
and being to study and
see if whether these things
00:37:20.17\00:37:23.52
that are being
said are actually true.
00:37:23.53\00:37:25.72
And so we want to
give you some ammunition
00:37:26.38\00:37:30.03
so to speak to help guide
00:37:30.04\00:37:31.90
you in these couple
next two programs to guide
00:37:31.91\00:37:34.58
you in your search to find out
whether or not these prophecies
00:37:34.59\00:37:38.24
that are being talked about.
00:37:38.25\00:37:40.03
And there are prophecies
that are coming from voices
00:37:40.43\00:37:42.37
around the world,
that you heading right
00:37:42.38\00:37:44.23
voice gonna go, yeah.
00:37:44.24\00:37:45.33
What you doing in
the context of the idea
00:37:45.34\00:37:48.30
that there is an enemy who
is trying to muddle the waters.
00:37:48.31\00:37:52.39
Who is trying to confuse
00:37:52.40\00:37:54.41
and distract and
dissuade and discourage.
00:37:54.42\00:37:57.12
So there are lot of
people attacking prophecy.
00:37:58.16\00:38:01.20
Some for any number of reasons
00:38:02.75\00:38:04.50
but certainly
Satan has an agenda also.
00:38:04.51\00:38:06.66
And he doesn't what
this word to get out
00:38:06.67\00:38:08.51
and so there are false
teacher and false doctrines
00:38:08.52\00:38:11.86
and the Bible says
beware of those kinds of things
00:38:11.87\00:38:14.26
because you may run
the risk of being deceived.
00:38:14.27\00:38:17.36
If you don't
study the word of God
00:38:17.37\00:38:19.03
and the prophetic landscape
00:38:19.04\00:38:21.11
as we're
beginning to look at today.
00:38:21.12\00:38:22.62
You know the other thing too
00:38:22.92\00:38:23.98
is I thought about
some of the recent events
00:38:23.99\00:38:25.84
that have happened
here with predicting things
00:38:25.85\00:38:28.60
then you know, come to pass, yes
00:38:28.61\00:38:30.04
In some ways I think the devil
is happy every time a prophecy
00:38:30.54\00:38:34.71
that some one
gives doesn't happen.
00:38:34.72\00:38:36.89
Oh I agree.
Because now we deceived,
00:38:36.90\00:38:39.09
even mislead certain people.
00:38:39.10\00:38:40.71
He allows others to say well
00:38:41.30\00:38:43.06
look prophecy
doesn't do any good.
00:38:43.07\00:38:44.58
And you kind of throw the
baby out with the bath water
00:38:45.15\00:38:46.96
because I think we're well
I'm not even look at prophecy
00:38:46.97\00:38:49.59
then because look how
many times these people say
00:38:49.60\00:38:51.66
this and that and
it doesn't happen.
00:38:51.67\00:38:53.44
And if you got offense setter
00:38:53.45\00:38:54.94
that will sort of push
them off on the wrong side.
00:38:54.95\00:38:57.56
Well someone who was
saying well those people
00:38:57.82\00:38:59.97
don't really know
they are talking about.
00:38:59.98\00:39:01.38
Since the Father's fell asleep
the word is gone on like it,
00:39:01.76\00:39:04.03
you know there's
gonna be no changes
00:39:04.04\00:39:06.38
God predicted nothing happened.
00:39:06.39\00:39:07.86
this God
predicts nothing happened
00:39:07.87\00:39:09.32
So why shall I
listen to any of them
00:39:09.33\00:39:11.05
because the one's that
are speaking the loudest
00:39:11.06\00:39:13.49
aren't saying
something that is true.
00:39:13.50\00:39:15.17
And let me encourage those who
are listening or viewing today,
00:39:15.84\00:39:19.52
the reason that
they don't come to pass
00:39:19.53\00:39:21.66
is because they do not follow
biblical rules of interpreting
00:39:21.67\00:39:25.71
and understanding prophecy. Yes.
00:39:25.72\00:39:27.29
They obliterate the
way in which the Bible says
00:39:27.30\00:39:30.70
you should
unfold these prophecies
00:39:30.71\00:39:32.54
or understand
these prophecies. Yeah.
00:39:32.55\00:39:34.31
One of the things it's so clear,
00:39:34.32\00:39:35.80
I mean just you
wonder why they miss it.
00:39:35.81\00:39:38.18
Jesus said no one knows
the day or hour of my return.
00:39:38.19\00:39:42.50
Yet some recent
prophecies have said or prophets
00:39:43.57\00:39:46.95
have said we know the
day that He will return.
00:39:46.96\00:39:49.73
Now John what's
important about that,
00:39:49.74\00:39:50.88
there are certain statements
that are over arching statements
00:39:50.89\00:39:53.69
that are not
mitigated they're not shaved off
00:39:53.70\00:39:58.40
or colored by
any other statement
00:39:58.41\00:39:59.59
they stand, there I say naked.
00:39:59.60\00:40:01.70
I'm the way the
truth and the life,
00:40:01.92\00:40:03.74
no one comes as
the Father but by Me.
00:40:03.75\00:40:06.76
It's nothing you can
do with that statement,
00:40:06.77\00:40:08.57
it is what it is. Right.
00:40:08.58\00:40:10.05
No man, no woman
knows the day nor the hour.
00:40:10.51\00:40:14.45
There are no
mitigating statements to go
00:40:14.46\00:40:16.54
along side that,
that's a flat naked statement
00:40:16.55\00:40:19.75
that's you can do nothing
to allow it, it stands alone.
00:40:19.76\00:40:22.66
Nobody knows you
don't know I don't know.
00:40:22.67\00:40:25.25
So, someone says I got
the day, I got the hour,
00:40:25.26\00:40:28.75
they're in direct contradiction
to a statement by Jesus. Yeah
00:40:28.76\00:40:32.97
No body knows. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:32.98\00:40:35.10
And what do we do
according to the biblical test
00:40:35.11\00:40:37.63
of a prophet like
that. We don't listen.
00:40:37.64\00:40:39.45
We got to reject
it. We got to reject it.
00:40:39.46\00:40:40.99
Do reject the fact that prophecy
exists and it's important,
00:40:41.15\00:40:44.00
reject the messenger because
they're not following the Bible
00:40:44.01\00:40:47.54
and what it says about
how to understand that.
00:40:47.55\00:40:49.44
Now, let's, let's
give a little bit of a,
00:40:49.45\00:40:52.37
kind of a background,
00:40:52.38\00:40:53.94
kind of a foundation
here, history lesson.
00:40:53.95\00:40:55.96
For many years after the
early church was persecuted
00:40:58.44\00:41:03.26
and even at during
persecution the Gospel grew.
00:41:04.70\00:41:08.20
It gained victory and was
spread through out the world
00:41:08.44\00:41:11.07
and then we found
in and even in John,
00:41:11.08\00:41:13.11
seven letters to the church
is the beginning of Revelation.
00:41:13.12\00:41:15.17
That in end of
itself shows that God's
00:41:16.08\00:41:17.90
people were being
scattered everywhere
00:41:17.91\00:41:19.89
so that the Gospel
might grow and spread.
00:41:19.90\00:41:22.16
And as that was happening
00:41:23.00\00:41:24.06
the devil saw
it and he realized,
00:41:24.07\00:41:26.20
well killing Him
doesn't do any good.
00:41:26.21\00:41:28.41
So, I might as
well join Him. Yes.
00:41:29.24\00:41:31.70
And so we find
that through out history
00:41:31.71\00:41:34.83
also as the
church begins to grow
00:41:34.84\00:41:36.64
there was not
only the church of God
00:41:36.65\00:41:39.56
but a counterfeit
movement of church so to speak.
00:41:39.57\00:41:42.74
And so you've
them kind of running
00:41:43.08\00:41:44.49
simultaneously
along side each other
00:41:44.50\00:41:46.67
where truth was being preached,
error was being preached.
00:41:46.68\00:41:50.13
And as they continue to
travel down the time line
00:41:50.61\00:41:53.19
as we get closer
and closer to our day,
00:41:53.20\00:41:55.05
we get to a
point where prophecies
00:41:55.06\00:41:58.64
of the Latter days
get closer and closer.
00:41:58.65\00:42:00.79
And so the devil knows okay,
God's gonna speak here again.
00:42:01.27\00:42:04.47
See, the devil
knows the Bible. Oh, yeah.
00:42:04.48\00:42:06.61
Better than we do. Yes, yes.
00:42:06.62\00:42:07.89
He knows what's gonna happen
00:42:07.90\00:42:09.64
so he tries to
preempt a lot of these things.
00:42:09.65\00:42:11.87
So as that time comes about
00:42:11.88\00:42:13.71
as the time of
the end approaches,
00:42:13.72\00:42:15.20
he knows God's gonna
send a prophetic message out.
00:42:15.21\00:42:18.39
So, what does he do?
00:42:18.42\00:42:19.84
He sends false prophecy
messages out. That's right.
00:42:19.85\00:42:22.42
False prophets
out, unto the world
00:42:22.55\00:42:24.84
to kind of muddy
the waters a little bit.
00:42:24.85\00:42:26.74
And what we found in
as the message of truth
00:42:27.52\00:42:31.86
went forward
that God saw fit to,
00:42:31.87\00:42:34.69
to bring the church
back to a pure and a...
00:42:34.70\00:42:39.36
what do you say,
just a pure truth,
00:42:39.37\00:42:41.47
following the Bible
this is where Sola scriptura
00:42:41.48\00:42:44.11
came out which
was kind of the mantra
00:42:44.12\00:42:46.47
of the Protestant movement. Yes.
00:42:46.48\00:42:49.35
The Bible and the
Bible alone it wasn't Rome
00:42:49.36\00:42:51.44
that dictated the
truths of God's verdict
00:42:51.45\00:42:53.31
was man looking at scripture,
00:42:53.32\00:42:55.20
the Holy-Spirit leading
him to understand these things,
00:42:55.21\00:42:58.05
and so that began to
go forward and through
00:42:58.64\00:43:01.92
the Protestant
Reformation came many
00:43:01.93\00:43:03.92
of the truths
that we've today. Yes.
00:43:03.93\00:43:06.04
Praise God for the
Protestant Reformation.
00:43:06.75\00:43:08.86
But the devil
kicked in the gear again
00:43:10.15\00:43:12.06
and he saw with the
Protestant Reformation
00:43:12.58\00:43:15.02
these truths going out and
coming back to the forefront.
00:43:15.03\00:43:17.40
He said I've got to establish
00:43:17.41\00:43:19.29
some kind of a
Counter Reformation.
00:43:19.30\00:43:21.32
And it's known, there is very
well known a Counter Reformation
00:43:21.99\00:43:25.22
that occurred that was initiated
by the Church of Rome. Yes.
00:43:25.23\00:43:28.31
That was very, very prevalent
in response to the truths
00:43:28.32\00:43:33.34
write out by the true
Protestant Reformation. Yes.
00:43:33.35\00:43:36.53
And in many respects today
we find protestant churches
00:43:36.54\00:43:39.53
going back into,
they're no longer protesting
00:43:39.54\00:43:44.75
I guess you would say
that doctrine's of Rome. Yeah.
00:43:44.76\00:43:46.99
They're kind of, just
kind of both coming together
00:43:47.00\00:43:49.71
in this
ecumenical movement that,
00:43:49.72\00:43:51.60
you know we just let's
focus on what we agree with.
00:43:51.61\00:43:53.61
The Seven-day Adventist Church
00:43:53.95\00:43:55.06
does not agree
with that approach.
00:43:55.07\00:43:56.70
So, we're not
ecumenical in nature
00:43:56.71\00:43:58.58
with other face
or the denominations
00:43:58.59\00:44:00.89
but yet we join or can unite
00:44:00.90\00:44:02.52
with them in the
Gospel of Jesus. Oh, yes.
00:44:02.53\00:44:04.52
But according
to His truth alone.
00:44:04.61\00:44:06.60
Now, I bring all that up
00:44:07.32\00:44:08.64
because as part of
the Counter Reformation
00:44:08.65\00:44:11.66
there was also a
specific plan to undo something
00:44:12.47\00:44:16.25
that the reformation
did that God did through
00:44:16.26\00:44:18.74
the reformation was to bring out
an understanding of prophecy.
00:44:18.75\00:44:22.65
And he did that through
the study of God's word,
00:44:23.19\00:44:27.94
the study of
prophecy and to see how God
00:44:27.95\00:44:30.86
in fact
interpreted through his angles,
00:44:30.87\00:44:32.98
the prophetic
messages given to His
00:44:32.99\00:44:35.46
prophets and
specifically Daniel.
00:44:35.47\00:44:37.06
So, so what you
have you here is Daniel
00:44:37.68\00:44:40.32
who receives the vision from God
00:44:40.33\00:44:42.07
and the angles
coming to help him
00:44:42.70\00:44:44.26
give the
interpretation of that vision
00:44:44.27\00:44:46.09
and what He does is He
walks Daniel through a timeline
00:44:46.10\00:44:49.89
or at least give
him a time element
00:44:49.90\00:44:51.57
that is written in history. Yes.
00:44:51.58\00:44:54.03
That carries on down
through to the end of time
00:44:54.04\00:44:56.26
referred to as the Latter days.
00:44:56.27\00:44:57.86
And so you have in
the Protestant Reformation
00:44:58.53\00:45:01.27
this on going study
or beginning study of,
00:45:01.28\00:45:04.53
of the prophecies of
Daniel and Revelation.
00:45:04.54\00:45:07.20
And an
understanding being developed
00:45:07.62\00:45:09.43
because they
understood where it began. Yes.
00:45:09.44\00:45:11.87
And where it was taking them.
00:45:11.88\00:45:14.04
So, Historicism is a
frame work but it also a tool
00:45:14.05\00:45:17.78
that you can use as
sort of unpackaged prophecy.
00:45:19.32\00:45:21.23
It is a something that
allows you to look at it
00:45:21.24\00:45:25.14
in a sequential biblical
way so that it makes sense. Yes.
00:45:25.15\00:45:28.73
It's a tool basically
something that's in your hands
00:45:28.74\00:45:31.31
that will allow you to,
to unravel something that can
00:45:31.32\00:45:35.13
be daunting and it
can be tough. Yeah.
00:45:35.14\00:45:37.20
And make sense of it.
00:45:37.21\00:45:38.51
Yeah, and with that methodology
00:45:38.52\00:45:40.57
and you mentioned
Historicism there.
00:45:40.58\00:45:42.48
That is the,the
reformers understanding,
00:45:42.49\00:45:44.98
biblical understanding, how our
prophecy went through. Correct.
00:45:45.61\00:45:48.54
From beginning to end along
the timeline, unbroken. Yes.
00:45:48.55\00:45:51.50
And that allow them as
they studied the prophecies
00:45:51.69\00:45:54.22
to pluginto advance along that
00:45:54.23\00:45:56.71
timeline with relative accuracy.
00:45:56.72\00:45:59.42
They're not perfect no we
don't know exactly everything
00:45:59.43\00:46:02.77
but we generally know the
time from beginning to end.
00:46:02.78\00:46:05.36
And that was there
was safety in that.
00:46:05.55\00:46:07.74
But what happened
as a result of or,
00:46:08.42\00:46:10.80
or in response
to the reformation
00:46:11.24\00:46:12.95
was known as the
Counter Reformation. Yes.
00:46:12.96\00:46:15.51
And in the Counter Reformation,
00:46:15.65\00:46:17.31
Rome sought to undo some of the,
00:46:18.70\00:46:20.66
many of the truths
that were coming up
00:46:20.67\00:46:22.08
to the forefront
again in the Reformation.
00:46:22.09\00:46:24.70
But also what many don't realize
00:46:25.37\00:46:27.54
is that they attacked
the very foundation of
00:46:27.55\00:46:29.94
the understanding of
the prophecy as well.
00:46:29.95\00:46:32.34
So, they sort to
understand his Historicism,
00:46:32.35\00:46:34.59
a timeline from
beginning to end unbroken,
00:46:34.60\00:46:37.22
with another
couple of possibilities.
00:46:39.01\00:46:41.69
And they're two of them
00:46:41.70\00:46:42.67
but I liked to
mention here just now.
00:46:42.68\00:46:44.01
First of all I
mentioned Historicism
00:46:44.02\00:46:45.37
which is the
Protestant Reformations
00:46:45.38\00:46:47.79
understanding of
prophecy, their methodology
00:46:47.80\00:46:51.99
and then now you get
to the, the other two
00:46:52.00\00:46:54.04
which are our part of
the Counter Reformation.
00:46:54.05\00:46:55.57
The first being
Preterism, and Preterism
00:46:55.58\00:46:58.97
is the
interpretation of prophecy
00:46:58.98\00:47:00.87
that has its fulfillment back
00:47:02.19\00:47:04.73
in the period of
the early church.
00:47:04.74\00:47:06.67
And for the most part right
around the events of 70 A.D.
00:47:06.68\00:47:11.59
And the sacking of Jerusalem
by Titus and his armies in Rome,
00:47:11.60\00:47:15.45
and they saw that, that
event along with the persecution
00:47:15.63\00:47:19.53
of the early
believers of the church,
00:47:19.54\00:47:22.05
of the early church,
really constituted a large
00:47:22.06\00:47:25.69
or most part of
the, the things that
00:47:25.70\00:47:28.70
we see in the
Book of Revelation. Yes
00:47:28.71\00:47:30.81
And so it's a
titled or labeled Preterism
00:47:30.82\00:47:34.65
because it's pre, it happened.
00:47:34.66\00:47:36.19
Already it's
happened in the past
00:47:36.20\00:47:38.29
we don't have to worry about it.
00:47:38.30\00:47:40.40
And the other one
then in opposition of that
00:47:40.41\00:47:43.11
was Futurism also came
out about the same time.
00:47:43.12\00:47:46.28
First of all I
mentioned that Preterism
00:47:46.57\00:47:48.50
was first champion
by Luis De Alcazar. Yes.
00:47:48.51\00:47:52.24
Of course through the
Church of Rome who was,
00:47:52.25\00:47:55.08
he was a Jesuit as well.
00:47:55.09\00:47:56.89
Who figured out this way
of understanding prophecy,
00:47:57.66\00:48:01.39
he didn't really take
route I mentioned that
00:48:01.40\00:48:03.55
you know probably
you would find even today
00:48:03.56\00:48:05.21
less than one or two percent
really, our Preterits.. Yes.
00:48:06.25\00:48:09.35
It really didn't
take a lot of ...
00:48:09.36\00:48:11.09
it didn't really
hit the road running
00:48:12.75\00:48:14.46
very quickly but
Futurism did. Yes.
00:48:14.47\00:48:16.92
And Futurism at the same
time was brought or the theory
00:48:17.35\00:48:21.85
it was the first champion
by a man named Francisco Ribera
00:48:21.86\00:48:25.89
during also the
Counter Reformation movement.
00:48:26.39\00:48:28.68
And it wasn't response in
direct response to the reformers
00:48:29.13\00:48:33.96
and their historicist approach.
00:48:33.97\00:48:35.88
Now unlike Preterism,
Futurism did take route.
00:48:36.36\00:48:41.52
I mean it did began
to receive a following
00:48:41.53\00:48:44.84
and we find that as it
did over a few centuries
00:48:44.85\00:48:49.38
it grew slowly but finally
00:48:50.95\00:48:52.56
when we get to the
19th century the 1800s. Yes.
00:48:52.57\00:48:55.30
The likes of John Darby
and some others really brought
00:48:55.85\00:48:58.43
this back to the forefront
and so when you hear certain,
00:48:58.44\00:49:03.36
what you say
teachings of quote and quote
00:49:06.00\00:49:08.38
"scripture that
come forward such
00:49:08.39\00:49:09.79
as the Rapture theory or 7
years which three and half years
00:49:09.80\00:49:14.13
of tribulation
with seven years of,
00:49:14.14\00:49:16.20
of a tribulation period
all these things are connected
00:49:16.21\00:49:19.89
in with the Futurism
view of the prophecies
00:49:19.90\00:49:22.83
of Daniel and Revelation.
00:49:22.84\00:49:23.98
I think you
brought a very good point
00:49:23.99\00:49:25.59
that these were in reaction to.
00:49:25.60\00:49:27.18
As we say Counter
Reformation really a push back
00:49:27.19\00:49:29.90
against the movement the
reform movement which was really
00:49:29.91\00:49:35.06
a reaffirmation of the
original primitive Gospel. Yes.
00:49:35.07\00:49:39.40
You know it had, it had
got lost and it got stolen,
00:49:39.41\00:49:41.89
it was strayed it was destroyed,
00:49:41.90\00:49:44.04
it was hidden use almost
any term you want for centuries
00:49:44.05\00:49:47.87
and centuries and
then it was rediscovered
00:49:47.88\00:49:50.41
by men and women
who really sought God.
00:49:50.42\00:49:53.96
And as the
reformation gain momentum
00:49:54.82\00:49:58.40
there was this push
back against the reformation
00:49:58.41\00:50:01.26
against the historicist model
and any number of other things
00:50:01.27\00:50:06.22
that the reformation
began to unearth again.
00:50:06.23\00:50:09.00
And so these later to Preterism,
00:50:09.48\00:50:11.83
Futurism were
part of that push back
00:50:11.84\00:50:13.66
that Counter Reformation
that fighting against the...
00:50:13.67\00:50:16.52
rediscover the reemergence
00:50:17.45\00:50:19.15
of the
primitive and pure Gospel.
00:50:19.16\00:50:20.64
So really and
as you mention that
00:50:20.65\00:50:22.72
what we're saying
and what you're saying
00:50:23.36\00:50:25.20
I think is that if you accept
the Protestant Reformation
00:50:25.21\00:50:29.98
is being a movement led by God.
00:50:29.99\00:50:31.66
There really is only one
approach to searching for truth.
00:50:32.93\00:50:37.16
First of all Sola scriptura,
the Bible and the Bible only.
00:50:37.76\00:50:40.69
The second would be some
of those choose them that
00:50:41.64\00:50:43.98
came out of their
Protestant Reformation.
00:50:43.99\00:50:46.24
Just a name a few of
them baptism by immersion,
00:50:47.13\00:50:49.32
they've been
sprinkling for so many years
00:50:49.33\00:50:51.41
well baptismal to immerse
that came to the forefront
00:50:51.42\00:50:54.93
of course Baptist help
to champion that you find
00:50:54.94\00:50:57.51
a whole denomination
that kind of came out of that.
00:50:57.52\00:50:59.87
And you have other
things righteousness by faith.
00:51:00.15\00:51:01.98
Martin Luther and
he was a significant
00:51:01.99\00:51:05.71
reformer in that
respect of course we have the
00:51:05.72\00:51:09.23
Lutheran Church today that sees
Martin Luther as its pioneer.
00:51:09.24\00:51:14.15
And so that's why
these denominations
00:51:14.67\00:51:16.36
come from with to a great
degree the kind of reformation
00:51:16.37\00:51:19.12
has begun to undo
some of what they believed
00:51:19.13\00:51:23.29
during the reformation
period, that reformers believe
00:51:23.30\00:51:26.38
in reformation
period, were so important.
00:51:26.39\00:51:27.87
John, this is vital
because the church came out
00:51:28.64\00:51:33.66
of the concept of the trend
and said many, many things.
00:51:33.67\00:51:35.82
But one of the things
they said that was, was
00:51:35.83\00:51:38.21
really damaging was that
00:51:38.22\00:51:39.53
tradition is equal to scripture.
00:51:40.35\00:51:42.64
Which says to me
if you and I can,
00:51:43.18\00:51:44.91
can develop a practice
and we do that long enough
00:51:44.92\00:51:48.68
then it's equal to,
to the scripture. Yeah.
00:51:48.69\00:51:52.18
So if I'm doing
something and it's been done
00:51:52.19\00:51:56.14
a hundred or two hundred
years as well that's, that's,
00:51:56.15\00:51:58.14
that's enough that
makes it equal to the Bible.
00:51:58.15\00:52:00.61
Then it also said the church
00:52:00.62\00:52:02.54
has the right to
interpret the Bible.
00:52:02.55\00:52:04.81
When I say
interpret to change it to,
00:52:04.82\00:52:06.98
to say what it means
to even though it says
00:52:06.99\00:52:09.51
A we say it means B. Right.
00:52:09.52\00:52:11.99
And the church takes
upon itself that, that role.
00:52:12.00\00:52:14.49
Well, once you begin
to go down to that role
00:52:14.50\00:52:17.05
you're in, you're in
a real trouble. Right.
00:52:17.06\00:52:18.80
So, the founding
Fathers of the reformation
00:52:19.13\00:52:23.65
said from now on
it's Sola scriptura,
00:52:23.66\00:52:26.89
no
interpretation, no amalgamation,
00:52:26.90\00:52:30.38
no massaging
it's the pure Gospel.
00:52:31.45\00:52:34.93
If the Bible says
A let's go with A,
00:52:34.94\00:52:37.19
let's not say A means B
or sometimes A sometimes B.
00:52:37.20\00:52:40.69
If it says A let's, let's
say A and if it's B let's say B.
00:52:40.70\00:52:45.21
Solo scriptura
and, and let's look
00:52:45.46\00:52:48.24
at the pattern from
Genesis straight through
00:52:48.25\00:52:51.75
and let's find
the historical element
00:52:51.76\00:52:53.63
and follow that and take
that as a rule for our lives.
00:52:53.64\00:52:56.68
That's very good. You
know, one other things
00:52:56.69\00:52:58.34
I didn't intent on going here
00:52:58.35\00:52:59.62
but let's turn to
Matthew Chapter 23
00:52:59.63\00:53:01.52
there is something I
like to kind of bring up
00:53:01.53\00:53:03.09
to kind of conclude our program.
00:53:03.10\00:53:04.34
The first part of this topic
here today Jesus stood over,
00:53:05.02\00:53:10.45
overlooking
Jerusalem and He was on
00:53:11.61\00:53:16.30
from what I remember
on the Mount of Olives
00:53:16.33\00:53:18.97
and He was looking
down over Jerusalem
00:53:20.75\00:53:23.10
and He says some
words that seem...
00:53:23.11\00:53:24.90
probably were not understood
by those who were with Him
00:53:27.35\00:53:30.35
but I think definitely
recorded for our benefit.
00:53:30.36\00:53:33.06
It says in
verse 37 of Matthew 23
00:53:34.03\00:53:36.35
Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
the one who kills the prophets
00:53:36.36\00:53:39.88
and stones those
who are sent to her,
00:53:39.89\00:53:42.70
how often I wanted to
gather your children together,
00:53:42.71\00:53:46.07
as a hen gathers her
chicks under her wings,
00:53:46.08\00:53:48.39
but you were not willing.
00:53:48.40\00:53:50.60
See, your house is
left to you desolate.
00:53:50.61\00:53:53.82
Now these words obviously
are very sobering but the issue
00:53:54.44\00:54:01.64
I want to connect or
the, the part I want to take
00:54:01.65\00:54:04.61
from this is that
in throughout history
00:54:04.62\00:54:08.02
God has send
prophets to his people.
00:54:08.03\00:54:10.31
Yes. He has sent messages,
00:54:10.32\00:54:12.22
to his people
to help guide them.
00:54:12.23\00:54:13.94
And in many respects
those prophets were persecuted
00:54:14.76\00:54:17.95
and in many cases they
were killed for their message.
00:54:18.41\00:54:21.22
But that message
still was sent by God
00:54:21.74\00:54:23.73
and it was His
desire that he would gather
00:54:23.74\00:54:25.40
his people
together to carefree them,
00:54:25.41\00:54:27.53
to protect
them, to nurture them,
00:54:27.54\00:54:29.07
to keep them in the...
the truce of God's word
00:54:29.08\00:54:35.14
that allowed them
to understand only
00:54:35.27\00:54:36.84
who he was but get
them safely to the end.
00:54:36.85\00:54:39.08
And as he sent these messengers,
as he send these prophets
00:54:40.22\00:54:43.26
they repeatedly stoned
them, they killed them.
00:54:43.27\00:54:45.42
And what we found when
Rome got together to oppose
00:54:45.87\00:54:49.90
to the kind of
reformation these truce
00:54:49.91\00:54:52.15
that were coming
forward through God's word.
00:54:52.16\00:54:54.28
What we found
again was persecution,
00:54:54.29\00:54:56.05
the same repeated
thing happened again
00:54:57.42\00:54:59.54
that when God send
messengers in to bring
00:54:59.55\00:55:02.34
about the
reformation that the devil
00:55:02.35\00:55:04.59
went attacking
through even the church.
00:55:04.60\00:55:07.70
The Church of
Rome in this incidence
00:55:08.65\00:55:10.12
to persecute and
in many cases kill.
00:55:10.13\00:55:13.00
I think history
records upwards of forty,
00:55:13.01\00:55:15.44
fifty million murders
who struck to Solo scriptura
00:55:15.45\00:55:19.63
and wouldn't bend to the
traditions of the church.
00:55:19.64\00:55:22.07
Yeah, there has
never been sadly anyone
00:55:22.08\00:55:24.35
who came with a pure
unadulterated message from God
00:55:24.36\00:55:28.69
that has received
universal acceptance and praise,
00:55:28.70\00:55:32.36
including Christ himself. Yeah.
00:55:33.51\00:55:34.91
Once you plunge
the line straight
00:55:35.66\00:55:37.71
you gonna make
enemies in this world
00:55:37.72\00:55:39.85
and sadly many of
times in the Church.
00:55:39.86\00:55:42.00
And so one other
things that the prophetic
00:55:42.69\00:55:44.84
landscape shows us is this,
00:55:44.85\00:55:46.71
this line that
we can say when you,
00:55:46.72\00:55:51.11
when you stand up for
the Lord you're gonna take
00:55:51.12\00:55:53.98
your lumps because
Christ took his lumps
00:55:53.99\00:55:56.44
and the servant is not
greater than the master.
00:55:56.45\00:55:58.09
So it's gonna happen
but you can stand strong
00:55:58.31\00:56:00.29
because the same God
that delivered the saints
00:56:00.30\00:56:03.61
and prophets of all even
though some gave their lives,
00:56:03.62\00:56:06.00
as we said yesterday
their record is sealed in heaven
00:56:06.25\00:56:09.22
will deliver us and keep us
in his last days. Yeah, Yeah.
00:56:09.23\00:56:11.99
You know as I, as I
think about the events
00:56:12.91\00:56:15.16
in what people went
through their in the past
00:56:15.17\00:56:18.03
Revelation talks about
it, it will happen again.
00:56:18.04\00:56:20.03
Yes, that there is a persecution
00:56:20.04\00:56:21.59
that is coming
at the end of time.
00:56:21.60\00:56:22.80
You know, I don't think there
is any safety in numbers per se.
00:56:23.34\00:56:26.65
You know, some one
might be looking around
00:56:26.66\00:56:30.39
and think well if
the most of the people
00:56:30.40\00:56:33.11
believe this then
I'm gonna side with them.
00:56:33.12\00:56:36.14
You know, it
happen in Christ Day
00:56:36.56\00:56:38.46
the majority
crucified Christ. Yeah.
00:56:38.47\00:56:41.89
It happened at a time during
the first Counter Reformation
00:56:41.90\00:56:45.88
during the
inquisitions all those things
00:56:45.89\00:56:47.80
that the majority was
persecuting the minority.
00:56:47.81\00:56:50.67
It will happen
again the majority
00:56:50.68\00:56:52.06
will persecute the minority
but we want to make sure
00:56:52.07\00:56:54.67
that what you're standing
on is the word of God. Amen.
00:56:54.68\00:56:58.02
This is what's
important and as we transition
00:56:58.03\00:57:00.37
to our next program we're gonna
cover part II of this series
00:57:00.38\00:57:03.22
which takes a look, a
deeper look in Historicism.
00:57:03.23\00:57:05.26
And why historicist's
model is the model accepted
00:57:05.88\00:57:08.94
by the reformers and continues
to be the model for today,
00:57:08.95\00:57:12.67
for understanding prophecy.
00:57:12.68\00:57:14.45
And so we wanna encourage
00:57:15.08\00:57:16.05
you to make sure
that you come back.
00:57:16.06\00:57:17.37
We pray that today
00:57:17.38\00:57:18.45
you've been
blessed by our program.
00:57:18.46\00:57:20.62
You learned some new things
certainly we learned every time
00:57:20.63\00:57:23.44
we come before
you and study the word
00:57:23.45\00:57:26.15
asking the Holy
Spirit to bless us.
00:57:26.16\00:57:27.94
So, continue to study,
continue to stay in God's word
00:57:27.95\00:57:30.96
and put your trust
in Him because we know
00:57:30.97\00:57:32.52
when you do you can't
go wrong. God bless you.
00:57:32.53\00:57:35.46