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Hello and welcome
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And we thank you
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for tuning in and we
know that this gonna be
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informative program
and we'll continue on the
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topic of the state of
the died in the context
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of last day
events and spiritualism,
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but before we do
anything we always like to begin
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with prayer, so John
would you lead us before
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the throne of grace
today. Let's do that.
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Dear Father in heaven,
we're blessed again to be
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able to open your word
and to study things out,
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your truths and
they're so precious to us.
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We just pray that as
we do open your word that
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we will rightly divide
that word, by the leading
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of your Holy Spirit,
may you transform our lives
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in our understanding
that we may give you honor
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and glory in all that we do.
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In Jesus name we
pray. Amen, Amen.
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and we'll get those,
but John we will start
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with our first
Internet question,
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what do you have for
us today? Yeah, I've got
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a question that comes
from Pam and she's saying
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dear brothers,
thank you for your program
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and willingness to take
your stand for the right
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each week. My question
for you is what is Jesus
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referring to when
He twice says in the
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Book of Revelation that
a church has the doctrine
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of Nicolaitans, which
He says that He hates?
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A good question, one
of the things that we find
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identify with the
Nicolaitans and what
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they were teaching,
this is clearly a doctrine
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they were teaching
against the doctrine that
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was taught by
Christ, was something called
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antinomianism which is
against the law or the lack
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of any kind of law of
God having applicability
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in the gospel of faith,
in the gospel of Christ.
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And so, when we see that
the Nicolaitans which Jesus
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hates he's saying, he
hates any kind of doctrine
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that brings this
cheap grace kind of approach
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to the forefront, to
the gospel which says
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that 'cause I've
been transformed by
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grace of Christ, I
no longer need to keep
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His Ten Commandments
which you find through
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Jesus own words
and clearly the words
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of the apostles, that
if we love Him we keep
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His Commandments,
that's right, but there is a
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couple also, a
couple direct responses by,
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one by Paul, one by
the book of Jude as they
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write against this
antinomianism movement,
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this push here that
was coming in the church
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at the end of time.
First of all Paul wrote in
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Romans chapter 3
verse 31 he says,
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Do we then make void
the law through faith?
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Certainly not, I
mean an emphatic no,
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on the contrary
we establish the law.
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So far from antinomianism
which gets rid of the law
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and it's obligation
for Christians Paul says,
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we establish the law
through faith and then
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I think probably
one of the most pressing
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statements made is, it
comes to us from the book
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of Jude and its just 1
chapter verses 3 and 4.
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Jude writes Beloved,
while I was very diligent
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to write to you
concerning our common salvation,
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I found it necessary
to write to you exhorting
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you to contend
earnestly for the faith
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which was once for all
delivered to the saints.
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So, initially here
Jude is saying I want you to
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fight for what you
believe, uphold what Christ
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has taught us and hold
on to that, be steadfast
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in the doctrine of
Christ. And then now verse 4.
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For certain men
have crept in unnoticed,
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who long ago were
marked out for this
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condemnation, ungodly
men, and here's the telling
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thing who turned the
grace of our God into
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lewdness and
deny the only Lord God
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and our Lord Jesus
Christ. Now, I'm reading from
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the New King
James version, but John
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if I were to pull up
here and it will take me just
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a second to do it. Okay,
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NIV of Jude and I go and I read,
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'cause we need to
really here establish what.
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That's amaze, you
know, that's an amazing
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doctrine while you
look that up yeah well
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you're looking that up
for me. The doctrine of the
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Nicolaitans, you'll
noticed that in the early
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portions of Revelation
the Bible talks about that
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and it has quite a
bit connected to it,
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and I think you
were coming up with it,
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there you go. Yeah, let
me just finish my thought
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here my computer
wasn't, it was messing
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up on me, but I found
it, the grace of our God,
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he's talking about a
New King James version says
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lewdness but NIV I
like the translation
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here it says, it
turns the grace of our God
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into license for immorality.
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So it's this license
for sin because of the
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grace of God and we
find that pretty prevalent
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today, where many
have gotten rid of the law
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and they say
well once your saved,
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you're always saved
there is no obligation
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to keep the law and
that it becomes as it were
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a license for sin to
do what's you want to do?
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License for an
immoral life and this clearly
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as an opposition to
the grace of Christ,
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it says the grace of
God turns into a license
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for immorality and
it denies Jesus Christ.
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That's right. Now
that's strong pretty language,
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but basically it's
saying that when you accept
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this antinomianism
kind of approach which the
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Nicolaitans were
bringing to the church
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and you get rid of
the law, you're actually
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denying Christ
Himself even though you claim
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to accept His grace.
That's right. So that's,
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that's dangerous
stuff and that's why Jesus
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says very clearly,
I hate the Nicolaitans
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and what they're
bringing into the church.
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That's right the
doctrine of the Nicolaitans.
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And thank you I, I
won't add anything more
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to that I think you
did a wonderful job.
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The other question we
have here, this is one
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and I appreciate you
sending this question
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and it said, to John Lomacang.
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Thank you so much
for your question,
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that's alright, they
actually did, good job,
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that's a very good, and this is,
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this is from Canada.
Nicolas, I won't give
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the last name
because it maybe obvious
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somebody may say Nicolas
got his question through,
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on several occasions
I heard you mentioned
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that there would not
be any animals in heaven,
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they would be in
the earth made new.
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My thinking falls on
that line to a certain extent,
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but then we have a
real problem with such
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a doctrine, here's the problem.
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What then are you
going to do in, what then are
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you going to do
with Isaiah 11 verse 6
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to verse 9, we'll read
that in just a moment I,
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if you say they would,
if you say that they would
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be in the earth made
new, may I remind you that
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they would be no child
or children in the earth
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made new, have
to look up that now
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because they would be
over a thousands years old
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quiet a conder on
isn't it, what answer can
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you give for that
one, and he put a question
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mark there. Now here,
here is the basis on which
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I made that
conclusion. I looked through
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the Bible at all the
phrases, all the words,
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animals, heaven, holy
mountain and then I looked
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at the creation
story which is a very
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interesting point
when it comes to concluding
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where the animals are?
Now in my understanding
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of heaven I have
never read anywhere
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in the Bible where
there are animals in heaven
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when you take
into consideration the
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significant maintenance
that will be responsible
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for having
animals. Let's just go ahead
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and put a
picture together in the
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real sense. You have
dogs, you have elephants,
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you have lions, you have tigers,
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you have
giraffes, when I look at the
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creation's story. The
Bible tells me that God
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made those on the
earth during the creation
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week and then the
next question that really
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comes to my mind and
we've only applied this
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to human beings, we
often say or ask the
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question, are there
humans in heaven now?
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Outside of the ones
that the Bible talk about,
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other special
occasions you know Enoch,
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Moses and, and Elijah
outside of those special
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three that Bible
mentioned we know that
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everyone is waiting
for the resurrection to go
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to heaven or for the
second coming of Jesus.
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And so when I began
to look at that whole
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picture I begin
to see as we read,
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and let me go ahead and read in
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Isaiah 11 verse 6 to 9
and this is the context
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of it and if you
have anything otherwise
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I've also looked
through the writings of
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Ellen White and I've
seen nowhere she says
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animals would be
in heaven because the
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question is how
do they get there?
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And, and let's look at
the couple of possibilities,
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we know that
animals don't die and go to
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heaven so that one's
out, there was a movie many,
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many years ago, I
mean many years ago,
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Pet Cemetery, and
there is another one called
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All Dogs Go to
Heaven. Well, we know
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that's not true.
The second one is,
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I have seen
nowhere in scripture where
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they go at the second
coming, it talks about
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two categories the
dead in Christ rising first
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then we which are
live and remain shall be
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caught up, put
together with them.
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So but I do see that
during the creation week
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what the earth is gonna
be after sin is destroyed,
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it's gonna be
creation all over again without
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the presence of sin so
what was in the creation,
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what was in the
creation process in the very
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beginning, our trees,
and plants, and oceans,
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and rivers and
animals particularly,
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even including the
sea creatures, whales,
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and dolphins, and all
the things that are in
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the sea, all the birds
of the air, all the animals
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of the land,
including the from the largest
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elephant to the
smallest muskrat, or mouse
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and I ask myself I have
seen nowhere in the Bible
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where there's this
description of them being
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in heaven and you
know, the thing that really
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caused me to look
into that is over many,
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many years I've heard
an evangelistic series,
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you know in heaven,
the lion shall lay down
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by the lamb, when I
look at the Bible here
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it doesn't, it
doesn't say, heaven,
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look here it is,
this is what it says;
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The wolf shall
dwell, and I'm reading
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Isaiah 11 verse 6 to 9.
The wolf shall also dwell
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with the lamb, the
leopard shall lie down with
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a young goat, the
calf and the young lion
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and they're fatling together;
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and a little
child shall lead them.
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The cow and the
bear shall graze;
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the young ones
shall lie down together,
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the lion shall
eat straw like an ox,
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this is verse 7,
verse 8 the nursing child
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shall play by the cobra's hole.
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And the weaning
child shall put his hand
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in the viper's den,
but this is the key verse
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that gave me the
reason for not believing
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it's gonna be in
heaven, they shall not hurt
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nor destroy in all my
holy mountain for the earth
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shall be full of the
knowledge of the Lord
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as the waters cover the sea.
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Hey, right there says
for the earth shall be full
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of the knowledge of
the Lord, the knowledge
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of the God how?
Through all of His creation.
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And so, if you
find something otherwise
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I'm very open to it, I
don't believe this is a
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particular doctrine
of salvation or of any,
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of any great and
grand importance as to
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whether or not
they're going to be there,
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but I have found
no scriptural support
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and when you look at
the story of Revelation,
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the description of
heaven it talks about 12 gates
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and the names of the
12 tribes on the 12 gates.
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Well each person is
gonna go through the gate
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that best describes
at least I understand
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is the thing they've
overcome in their lives,
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but it doesn't
describe animals going in any
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of those gates, it
doesn't describe animals being
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in heaven at all in
the book of Revelation.
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So anyhow if you
find something else other
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than that, let me know,
but I do appreciate that
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and the reason why
this is important to me John
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is I've had a lot
of dogs being raised
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and you probably
remember the story,
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my wife I used to live
up in Northern California
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in Weaverville and ever
since our last dog died,
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didn't die of natural
causes, it got hit by a
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pick up truck
right in front of us.
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One of those tragic
heart wrenching things
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that you can
experience, to hear the slam and
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to hold your puppy in your hand
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as his head just, as he
breathes his last breath
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and his head just
drops and it was devastating
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to us. And so I
finally understood what
00:14:12.11\00:14:14.38
children meant when
they say I lost my puppy
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Spot or Rex, or
whatever dog's or cat name is.
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Are they gonna be
in heaven? And I said,
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and my response to that
is I believe they will be
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in the new earth.
Because if animals
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are going to be
there why not my doggy,
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you know why not
my cat that I love,
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I have no evidence
for that, but I find that
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there is stronger
support for creation without
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the entrance of
sin, without the presence
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of sin and then we will
not be afraid of animals
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anymore and why
not in the new earth.
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Because they were in
the earth when God did
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the first
creation. So anyway you find
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something more let me
know, I' m really open
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to that. Very good, very good.
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Here's a question
from, let's see here
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you know I may not
even try to pronounce it,
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okay because it's
beyond my vocabulary,
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but anyway I just
wanna thank you for sending
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in this question, if
you recognize it, it says,
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it should be
directed to John Lomacang,
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oh, no go
ahead, I just did that.
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What does the
Bible say about the three
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types of heaven?
Where are these heavens
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and who will
dwell in each of them?
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Is the prince of
Persia of the book of Daniel
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staying in one of them
and what about the Queen
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of heaven of the
book of Jeremiah 7:18,
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where and who is she?
So lots of little questions
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here and new answers,
but yeah I know the answers
00:15:39.05\00:15:41.31
to that, but I'll go
ahead, yeah please send all
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information to
my, via my mail box
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you know let's
answer this together because
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I know you've done
some study on this too,
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it brings up at least
to my mind the passage
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found in I believe its
Second Corinthians 12:21
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yeah, Second Corinthians 12,
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there we go and so
let me read that for
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you here. Sure.
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Second, is that
Second Corinthians 12:21?
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Yeah, okay alright.
Verses, verse 21, 21 lest,
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when I come again,
my God will humble me
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among you. Is that
the one you were talking?
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No, this is Second
Corinthians 12 verse 2,
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there, well I was
wondering why I was here
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at 12 verse 2
but okay I know a man
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in Christ who
fourteen years ago whether
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in the body I do
not know, whether out
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of the body I do
not know, God know such
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a one who has
caught it, caught up to the
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third heaven and so
there's a reference here,
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third heaven it's
the only place it occurs
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in the Bible okay
exactly and so many can make
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this big doctrine out of
what that third heaven is?
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And they try to
give different levels of
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heaven even that
some will achieve
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the first levels,
some of second level,
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some of third level you
will find that specifically
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in certain
denominations they're teaching
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on that subject, but
which what you find out
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through out the Bible
is that heaven is a very,
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it's a very
contextually specific word.
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So, you've got to look
at what it's describing
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when you see it,
whe you hear or read the
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word heaven and
there are three kinds of
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heavens described in the Bible,
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there is the
atmosphere our earth which
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we look up, when we see the sky,
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the blue sky and the
birds that fly in the heavens
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and you so you will
read that contextually,
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the birds that fly in
the heavens that's the
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first heaven. And
then the second heaven
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would be the stars, the moon,
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and the sun celestial
bodies around us those
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things that are
being described within the
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universe and so those
clearly the Bible makes
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description of as
being the heavens include
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within the heavens.
And then there is a third
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heaven which is
where our God dwells
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it is the only
heaven that there is
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and when Paul is
talking about this in
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Second Corinthians 12,
he introduces the chapter
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by saying It is
doubtless not profitable for me
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to boast. I will come
to visions and revelations
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of the Lord,
evidently when the Prophets
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were taken in vision
they were brought out up
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in mind to the third
heaven which is where
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God dwells, so God
could give, deliver a
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message to them
specifically. That's right.
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And so any visit to
the third heaven is simply
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a visit to the
heaven, a place called heaven
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where God dwells that
we will all eventually
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go to when Jesus
comes back to take us there,
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but these prophets
were able to in mind as
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they were taken in
vision to appear in heaven
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before God and
they saw these things,
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they describe as being
part of the third heaven
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which is not the atmosphere,
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not the celestial
bodies not sun, moon or stars
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not the
universe, but the heavens,
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the heaven where God dwells.
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I hope that, I
mean that's as fast
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and as
distinctive as that can be,
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that's, I mean
that's just the bottom-line
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because you know,
when you think about heaven
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the example used
here in Revelation 4
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and verse 1 and
when you read that text
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they were saying
called up to the third heaven,
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well you can be
called up to the first heaven
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as you look at what
the Bible describes because
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the first heaven as, as
described is write above
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earths, earth's surface
with the birds fly, yeah,
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that's the air,
that's the atmosphere,
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the troposphere, the hemisphere,
00:19:33.44\00:19:34.72
the ionosphere, all
those different layers that
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are right above
us. And then you have
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the heavens, the
Bible says the powers of
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heaven will be
shaken, well the powers of
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heaven are the sun,
the moon, the stars,
00:19:43.85\00:19:45.97
and the plants all
the things that we see
00:19:45.98\00:19:47.83
that are our part
of our galaxy those
00:19:47.84\00:19:50.14
that's a second
heaven, but when the Bible
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talks about third
heaven in Revelation
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chapter 20 the new
Jerusalem coming down
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from God out of heaven
that's the third heaven
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and that's where we all
are going to be called up
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to one day. So in
answer to the question
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no the prince of
Persia doesn't exist in one
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and the other
party, there were a couple
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others, but there is
no spirit, it implies
00:20:15.17\00:20:17.78
there levels where
people would dwell in,
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there is just nothing
like that taught in the Bible.
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And, and among some denominate
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and among particular
denomination they talk
00:20:23.18\00:20:26.97
about different
levels, seven levels and,
00:20:26.98\00:20:30.03
but the Bible
doesn't support that,
00:20:31.16\00:20:32.66
that's just an
isolated teaching.
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They have to relay on
extra Biblical material
00:20:34.45\00:20:37.48
to do that, right, so
they don't get it from
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scripture they have
to get it from Prophets
00:20:39.48\00:20:42.44
or other kinds of
writing that are describing
00:20:42.45\00:20:44.51
things that they
then take as coming from
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a holy book and
teaching spiritual things
00:20:49.04\00:20:51.60
from God, I disagree
so I think anything that
00:20:51.61\00:20:56.85
contradicts the Bible
itself is not inspired
00:20:56.86\00:21:00.75
by God, but that
is, that is my position,
00:21:00.76\00:21:02.79
that's what I base my faith on.
00:21:02.80\00:21:05.52
And I think that the
answer is very, very clear
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we don't have, we
don't have this place
00:21:09.16\00:21:12.73
that's going to cause
us to be separated because
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the Bible also says in
Revelation when it talks
00:21:15.80\00:21:18.77
about healing of the
nations, not just in the
00:21:18.78\00:21:21.65
physical sense, not just
in, in the medical sense,
00:21:21.66\00:21:24.38
but there is gonna be
a unity, there is only
00:21:24.80\00:21:26.44
gonna be 12 gates
everyone is going through
00:21:26.45\00:21:29.48
those gates
notice 12 gates and the
00:21:29.49\00:21:32.06
foundations are
12, not 12 levels,
00:21:32.07\00:21:34.53
but 12 foundations so,
if it's not in the Bible
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I would say don't
except it as anything
00:21:38.20\00:21:41.75
supportive of various
multiple levels of heaven.
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Can you imagine
somebody getting into heaven,
00:21:45.72\00:21:47.51
lets play the
scenario out to its possible
00:21:47.52\00:21:49.49
conclusion and they
say, what do I have to do get
00:21:49.50\00:21:52.91
a next level and
the response would be
00:21:52.92\00:21:56.42
well it's too late
now, you already made those
00:21:56.71\00:21:58.89
decisions on earth so
you will be right here
00:21:58.90\00:22:00.76
and your wife is
gonna be on the third level
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I guess that's probably
why we're not gonna have
00:22:03.67\00:22:05.62
any wedding up here.
I'm not being cynical,
00:22:05.63\00:22:08.15
but it's not a place
of division it's a place
00:22:09.61\00:22:12.21
of unity where the Lord
will be with his people,
00:22:12.22\00:22:16.16
we would be with the
Lord and we will dwell
00:22:16.88\00:22:18.86
in the holy city,
the new Jerusalem.
00:22:18.87\00:22:21.14
So thank you for that question,
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been able to get
through them pretty
00:22:24.55\00:22:26.19
well today. Okay,
okay, here we are.
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Thank you Gordon,
Romans 8 verse 11,
00:22:30.62\00:22:36.02
let's go to Romans 8 verse 11
00:22:36.03\00:22:37.44
Gordon's question
is, please check out
00:22:37.82\00:22:40.64
Romans 8 verse 11 for
the state of the died,
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for the state of the
died. Romans 8 verse 11.
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Okay, it says, but if
the Spirit of Him who raised
00:22:50.43\00:22:56.57
Jesus from the
dead dwells in you,
00:22:56.58\00:22:59.46
He who raised Christ
from the dead will also
00:23:00.03\00:23:03.22
give life to your
mortal bodies through
00:23:03.23\00:23:06.41
the spirit who
dwells in you of course,
00:23:06.42\00:23:08.69
that's not about
the state of the died
00:23:09.11\00:23:10.50
that's about those who
are dead and trespasses
00:23:10.85\00:23:12.98
in sin, that's what
that's talking about,
00:23:12.99\00:23:15.20
the one who raised
Jesus from died will one day
00:23:15.21\00:23:17.96
give life to our mortal
bodies and, if you wanna
00:23:17.97\00:23:20.29
build on what
Paul is saying here,
00:23:20.59\00:23:22.10
he shows us that
picture wonderfully
00:23:22.11\00:23:23.91
in First Corinthians chapter 15
00:23:23.92\00:23:25.16
verse 51 to 54, if
you wanna go there,
00:23:25.60\00:23:28.43
he talks about
giving life to our mortal
00:23:28.44\00:23:30.23
bodies now why is it
necessary to give life
00:23:30.24\00:23:32.39
to our mortal bodies
because mortal bodies
00:23:32.40\00:23:34.17
are mortal by
nature, that means there is
00:23:34.18\00:23:37.30
nothing eternal about
them and let's go ahead
00:23:37.31\00:23:40.41
and see when that.
I would also add our
00:23:40.42\00:23:42.66
mortal body is
all we have right now
00:23:42.67\00:23:44.14
Okay, with God we have to
receive the immortal body,
00:23:45.35\00:23:48.45
that's right, to be
able to live in heaven
00:23:48.71\00:23:50.64
and let me before I
go to, before I go to
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First Corinthians
15 you go there John,
00:23:53.92\00:23:55.38
before I go to
First Corinthians 15
00:23:55.78\00:23:57.60
what Paul is talking
about here is when we're
00:23:58.43\00:24:02.35
in Christ this is the,
this is the whole being
00:24:02.36\00:24:06.21
delivered from the
flesh, this is the whole,
00:24:06.22\00:24:09.74
the whole
context of this is living
00:24:09.75\00:24:11.56
the Christian
life in a mortal body.
00:24:11.57\00:24:13.44
So, so the question
is on I think in previous
00:24:13.84\00:24:16.26
program I mention
this one of the greatest
00:24:16.27\00:24:17.81
challenges of being
a Christian is being
00:24:17.82\00:24:19.72
a Christian,
living a Christian life
00:24:19.73\00:24:21.86
in a sinful flesh,
that is in this mortal body
00:24:22.46\00:24:25.49
we have to dwell on
this defective tent until
00:24:26.10\00:24:29.33
it's replaced with a
new body when Jesus comes.
00:24:29.34\00:24:31.88
So the question Paul
is addressing here is
00:24:32.34\00:24:34.38
how do you live
according to the spirit
00:24:34.87\00:24:37.45
when you're living
in the flesh because
00:24:37.94\00:24:40.12
if you go to the
verses after that,
00:24:40.13\00:24:41.41
matter of fact even
before that I'll go ahead
00:24:43.56\00:24:46.19
and, and look at verse, verse 8,
00:24:46.20\00:24:49.14
so then and I'm
in Romans 8 verse 8,
00:24:49.54\00:24:52.26
so then those who are
in the flesh that is the
00:24:52.87\00:24:56.88
mortal body cannot please God,
00:24:56.89\00:24:58.88
but you are not in the
flesh but in the spirit
00:24:59.54\00:25:03.23
if indeed the spirit
of God dwells in you.
00:25:03.66\00:25:06.74
Now if anyone does not
have the spirit of Christ,
00:25:07.23\00:25:09.55
he is not his and
if Christ is in you
00:25:09.90\00:25:12.48
and this is the key
here, the body is dead
00:25:12.49\00:25:15.34
because of sin but the
spirit is alive because
00:25:15.35\00:25:18.88
of righteousness. In
other words what it means
00:25:18.89\00:25:21.13
there is the natural
man or the corrupt man
00:25:21.14\00:25:25.77
has lost his power
over you, he has lost his
00:25:25.78\00:25:29.51
power over you when
you're in the spirit.
00:25:29.52\00:25:32.09
And when you think
about that go back to
00:25:32.51\00:25:36.03
Romans 7 very quickly
and I'll show you that,
00:25:36.04\00:25:39.29
because this is
the continual story
00:25:39.93\00:25:41.61
of being freed from
the sinful flesh, the power
00:25:43.77\00:25:48.12
that it has over
the spiritual life.
00:25:48.13\00:25:51.08
Let's go and look at verse 2,
00:25:53.40\00:25:54.78
well verse 1 of Romans 7.
00:25:55.42\00:25:57.16
Or do you not
know the brethren for
00:25:57.86\00:25:59.35
I am speaking to
those who know the law that
00:25:59.36\00:26:01.55
the law has dominion
over a man as long as
00:26:01.56\00:26:05.02
he lives, get that
picture as long as the man
00:26:05.03\00:26:07.49
is alive the law
has dominion over him.
00:26:07.50\00:26:09.08
For the woman who
has her husband is bound
00:26:09.71\00:26:12.12
by the law to her
husband as long as
00:26:12.13\00:26:13.80
he lives but if
her husband dies.
00:26:13.81\00:26:15.68
She is released from
the law of her husband,
00:26:15.69\00:26:17.94
what that in essence is
saying here is the Bible
00:26:18.48\00:26:21.76
gives the picture of
Christ as the husband man.
00:26:21.77\00:26:23.98
But the picture here
that is being drawn is
00:26:24.41\00:26:26.85
as long as we're
married to that old man,
00:26:27.24\00:26:29.79
which is the human nature,
00:26:30.34\00:26:31.71
he is the one in
control. But when we are now
00:26:32.02\00:26:34.50
children of Christ,
when we are now when Christ
00:26:35.10\00:26:38.63
is our husband man,
now we are under his power,
00:26:38.64\00:26:42.01
we are in his nature now.
00:26:42.02\00:26:43.52
And First
Corinthians 15 verse 22 says,
00:26:44.00\00:26:46.38
For as in Adam all
die, even so in Christ
00:26:46.85\00:26:50.81
all shall be made alive.
So this is simply talking
00:26:50.82\00:26:53.65
about not so much the
taking over of the body
00:26:53.66\00:26:59.53
now and making it a
spirit, a spirit form
00:26:59.88\00:27:02.63
but how to live
a Christian life in
00:27:03.05\00:27:04.82
mortal flesh. And I
mean we can jump into here
00:27:04.83\00:27:07.45
and hold
discussion on the resurrection
00:27:07.46\00:27:08.96
but that's coming up.
That's going to come up
00:27:08.97\00:27:10.68
in the program. In
an upcoming program.
00:27:10.69\00:27:12.25
So, I don't want to
just launch into that.
00:27:12.26\00:27:14.48
Okay, are we done? We're done,
00:27:14.49\00:27:16.23
4 questions 30
minutes. Boy, I tell you that's
00:27:16.24\00:27:19.05
pretty good. How do
we do that? I don't know,
00:27:19.06\00:27:20.44
we do that pretty
well. Thank you so much for
00:27:20.45\00:27:22.15
your questions
and your comments.
00:27:22.16\00:27:23.39
And as we
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00:27:23.84\00:27:27.59
Whether it's an email,
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00:27:27.86\00:27:32.50
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00:27:32.51\00:27:34.41
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00:27:34.42\00:27:36.91
it's not possible for us
to get to all the questions
00:27:36.92\00:27:40.05
we're hoping in the
not to far distance future
00:27:40.48\00:27:43.45
to implement a
process where we can answer
00:27:43.46\00:27:45.16
the questions a
lot quicker maybe on a
00:27:45.17\00:27:46.96
day by day basis to
those of you want the answers
00:27:46.97\00:27:50.00
to come through the Internet.
00:27:50.01\00:27:51.88
We wouldn't be able
to do that by a letter
00:27:51.89\00:27:53.62
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00:27:54.02\00:27:55.49
you can send them to the email
00:27:55.50\00:27:56.61
housecalls@3abn.org
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00:27:57.05\00:28:02.11
and my faithful friend
John Stanton will go to
00:28:02.70\00:28:07.94
the Internet. Oh!
By the way I don't know
00:28:07.95\00:28:09.80
if you know this, we
also have a House Calls
00:28:09.81\00:28:12.44
page on Facebook.
You can go to House Calls
00:28:13.01\00:28:16.87
page on Facebook
and post your questions
00:28:16.88\00:28:19.79
there and then John
or I log in, we could go
00:28:19.80\00:28:23.64
and respond to
some other questions.
00:28:23.65\00:28:24.73
We're trying to post
some of our individual
00:28:24.74\00:28:26.88
questions we're
trying to post them out.
00:28:26.89\00:28:28.34
Its work to do, it
takes sometime to do
00:28:28.82\00:28:31.03
and we have to do that
ourselves and I haven't
00:28:31.04\00:28:33.78
posted there the any
of that stuff in a while
00:28:33.79\00:28:35.57
but I need to get
back there and do that.
00:28:35.58\00:28:37.53
Okay appreciate that very much,
00:28:37.54\00:28:38.63
thank you so much for
your questions and comments.
00:28:38.64\00:28:40.31
Now we segue into our topic that
00:28:40.81\00:28:43.33
we're continuing
and John go ahead
00:28:43.34\00:28:45.56
and take us there.
Well we've covered quite
00:28:45.57\00:28:48.88
a few things here in
last couple of programs
00:28:48.89\00:28:51.54
and again this is
the subject of the state
00:28:52.00\00:28:54.88
of the dead. What
happens when we die?
00:28:54.89\00:28:56.50
In the context of last
day events and spiritualism
00:28:56.88\00:29:00.77
and the battle that
the enemy is fighting
00:29:01.47\00:29:04.84
from his angle which
is a battle of deception,
00:29:04.85\00:29:07.58
lies, deception,
things that will draw people
00:29:07.59\00:29:11.16
or gather them into his camp.
00:29:11.17\00:29:12.73
And he does that
primarily through a
00:29:13.40\00:29:15.85
misunderstanding
of the nature of man,
00:29:15.86\00:29:18.00
what happens when we
die because essentially
00:29:18.01\00:29:21.30
what we found is that
scripture is telling us
00:29:21.31\00:29:23.44
that the spirit
world is alive and well
00:29:23.45\00:29:25.31
and is pulling mankind
all in every way possible
00:29:25.80\00:29:29.54
to get them into its
camp for fighting that
00:29:29.88\00:29:33.20
last green battle known
as the battle of Armageddon
00:29:33.21\00:29:36.52
and so John what we
entered with last time
00:29:36.93\00:29:40.43
is that we began to
look at the subject of death.
00:29:40.44\00:29:43.32
And to find out what
the Bible specifically
00:29:44.03\00:29:45.80
says about it. That's right.
00:29:45.81\00:29:47.01
So we're doing
basically a couple of programs
00:29:47.02\00:29:49.34
here on just throwing
out the multitude of texts
00:29:49.35\00:29:53.22
about death and letting
the Bible speak for itself.
00:29:53.57\00:29:56.73
And we made the statement here
00:29:57.08\00:29:58.47
that there maybe
2 or 3 texts that
00:29:58.48\00:30:01.10
appear to be, may be allude to
00:30:01.11\00:30:05.64
us to being in
heaven at some point.
00:30:07.05\00:30:09.50
But we'll look at
those a little bit later
00:30:09.51\00:30:12.03
and see that in fact
what many teach about
00:30:12.04\00:30:13.56
them is not exactly
what those texts are saying.
00:30:13.57\00:30:16.27
Okay. Because
remember the Bible harmonizes
00:30:16.28\00:30:19.14
with itself there
is not a contradiction
00:30:19.15\00:30:21.59
here in what it teaches on death
00:30:21.60\00:30:23.86
and the authors are very, very,
00:30:23.87\00:30:25.58
so synched on
this matter. So we're
00:30:25.59\00:30:28.47
looking at the
hundreds, oh we're not cover
00:30:28.48\00:30:30.17
hundred but multitude of texts
00:30:30.18\00:30:32.21
that are on the
subjects, just so
00:30:32.22\00:30:34.10
we can lay the ground work,
00:30:34.11\00:30:35.19
you have to ignore these. Right.
00:30:35.20\00:30:37.19
To conclude the way
that most of Christiandom
00:30:37.20\00:30:39.83
does about the
other text. That's good
00:30:39.84\00:30:42.43
and the other thing
that was a spark to get
00:30:42.44\00:30:46.07
this program done
was there is such an
00:30:46.08\00:30:48.58
atmosphere
being developed in the
00:30:48.59\00:30:49.82
last days in
our day particularly
00:30:49.83\00:30:52.12
which we believe is
the last days on deception.
00:30:52.13\00:30:56.47
It is training you
to come to your Bible
00:30:56.48\00:30:59.95
conclusions based
on what's happening
00:30:59.96\00:31:01.68
in the media,
shows about people dying
00:31:01.69\00:31:04.72
and going to
heaven. About communicating
00:31:04.73\00:31:06.58
with the death,
about people dying
00:31:06.59\00:31:07.94
and having a
second chance, touch by
00:31:07.95\00:31:10.37
an angel in the out
field, those probably
00:31:10.38\00:31:13.90
all the programs.
See I don't keep up
00:31:13.91\00:31:15.31
with these things but
I do know that every now
00:31:15.32\00:31:17.48
and then you know
when you're watching
00:31:17.49\00:31:18.75
television a
commercial comes up,
00:31:18.76\00:31:20.05
six feet under or
there was one I saw
00:31:20.06\00:31:23.77
previously where a guy
was, his little brother
00:31:23.78\00:31:26.68
or the older brother
got killed and he came back
00:31:26.69\00:31:30.16
in the spirit form
and was communicating
00:31:30.17\00:31:32.48
with his younger
brother or the way around.
00:31:32.49\00:31:35.09
And it's really
amazing how so many threads
00:31:35.71\00:31:38.87
are being developed in our mind
00:31:38.88\00:31:40.51
and truly Satan is the deceiver,
00:31:40.52\00:31:43.20
he wants to
deceive the whole world,
00:31:43.21\00:31:45.76
Revelation chapter
13 he wants to deceive
00:31:45.77\00:31:48.32
those who dwell on the earth.
00:31:48.33\00:31:49.80
All of humanity
whose minds are not guarded
00:31:49.81\00:31:53.17
by an
understanding of the Bible,
00:31:53.18\00:31:54.79
so take us to that
place where could look
00:31:54.80\00:31:58.02
at this topic.
Yeah, let me give you
00:31:58.03\00:31:59.65
this quick
scenario. That's right.
00:31:59.66\00:32:01.04
Where you know
how do these psychics
00:32:01.05\00:32:02.50
and all these Sooth
Sayers and then with
00:32:02.51\00:32:05.61
their crystal ball and you go
00:32:05.62\00:32:06.84
and meet with them and you says
00:32:06.85\00:32:07.99
what is my future look like,
00:32:08.00\00:32:09.03
they read your palm.
How can they know so much?
00:32:09.04\00:32:12.79
Let me give you
a quick scenario,
00:32:13.61\00:32:14.80
let me tell you
what's happening behind
00:32:14.81\00:32:16.14
the scenes. I do
believe that these individuals
00:32:16.15\00:32:19.62
are connected
with a spirit world.
00:32:19.63\00:32:21.59
But what I don't agree with is
00:32:22.46\00:32:24.82
what that spirit
world is? They believe
00:32:24.83\00:32:27.85
its loved ones
who are passed on,
00:32:27.86\00:32:29.94
that's the devil
intent, I believe that the Bible
00:32:29.95\00:32:33.59
is telling us if
its Satan and his demon
00:32:33.60\00:32:35.95
host
communicating with a masquerade.
00:32:35.96\00:32:41.14
Communicating with
those who are open to that,
00:32:41.15\00:32:44.46
the things that
they want them to share
00:32:44.47\00:32:48.17
with others and so
for instance someone
00:32:48.18\00:32:50.77
goes in and has their palm read
00:32:50.78\00:32:52.39
and they're sitting
across the table from
00:32:52.40\00:32:54.69
man or woman who
says that they're going
00:32:55.92\00:32:58.31
to then seek to
communicate with their
00:32:58.32\00:33:00.58
past loved ones
or the spirit world
00:33:00.59\00:33:02.21
who will give them
some information about them.
00:33:02.22\00:33:04.64
So they sit down
and they never met him
00:33:04.65\00:33:05.77
before and this
individual whether
00:33:05.78\00:33:08.87
they go into a
trance or they're going to
00:33:08.88\00:33:10.76
some kind of a
trance or something
00:33:10.77\00:33:12.89
to find information,
they seek information
00:33:12.90\00:33:15.37
from the spirit
world. Then they come back
00:33:15.38\00:33:17.42
and they say let me
tell you a little bit
00:33:17.43\00:33:18.88
about your life. And
they start to spell out
00:33:18.89\00:33:21.03
all these things about your life
00:33:21.04\00:33:22.38
that you've never told them,
00:33:22.39\00:33:23.84
no one's have ever told them
00:33:23.85\00:33:25.34
and you are blown
away, how could they know
00:33:25.35\00:33:28.41
so much. This
has got to be true,
00:33:28.42\00:33:30.81
I never communicate
with this person before
00:33:30.82\00:33:32.94
but they know so
much. Well, let me ask you
00:33:32.95\00:33:35.72
a question, does
Satan and his angels
00:33:35.73\00:33:38.37
do they know about
you. They've been around
00:33:38.38\00:33:40.00
for 6000 years plus
do you think they know
00:33:40.01\00:33:43.69
a little bit about
your life. Do you think
00:33:43.70\00:33:45.00
they can
communicate to this individual,
00:33:45.01\00:33:46.78
exactly what to
say about your life,
00:33:46.79\00:33:49.09
that would
impress you to be open
00:33:49.10\00:33:51.72
to the spirit world, of course,
00:33:51.73\00:33:53.46
this is their emo,
this is with they're good
00:33:53.47\00:33:55.88
at doing. They're
also good at seeing
00:33:55.89\00:33:58.89
the progress of
your life and predicting
00:33:58.90\00:34:01.70
in the future what will happen,
00:34:01.71\00:34:03.44
they know those that you know.
00:34:03.45\00:34:05.16
And they also know
what they're talking about
00:34:05.17\00:34:07.38
and how those
secret circumstances
00:34:07.39\00:34:09.26
might come
together for your future.
00:34:09.27\00:34:11.35
So a prediction can
even be made about the future
00:34:11.36\00:34:13.95
in your life. These
things are so simple
00:34:13.96\00:34:17.02
to Satan and his
host, that they must even
00:34:17.03\00:34:20.94
just chuckle and
laugh when people are
00:34:20.95\00:34:22.89
so blown away and amazed by it,
00:34:22.90\00:34:24.67
when it is a
simple thing for them to
00:34:24.68\00:34:26.76
just channel
through someone else,
00:34:26.77\00:34:28.67
the Soothsayer,
you know psychic,
00:34:28.68\00:34:30.90
whatever it is
to give information
00:34:30.91\00:34:33.11
and to predict the
future of your life.
00:34:33.12\00:34:35.84
So if you'd have that experience
00:34:35.85\00:34:37.08
and you've been
just amazed by it
00:34:37.09\00:34:38.95
don't be this is no big deal
00:34:38.96\00:34:41.65
for the spirit world, for Satan
00:34:41.66\00:34:43.20
and his host which is one reason
00:34:43.21\00:34:45.06
why Jesus says very
clearly never contact
00:34:45.07\00:34:48.13
the dead. He
doesn't say never contact
00:34:48.14\00:34:50.54
the dead because I
don't want you communicating
00:34:50.55\00:34:52.08
with your grand
mother. He says never
00:34:52.09\00:34:53.68
contact the
dead because the dead
00:34:53.69\00:34:55.39
aren't who you think they are.
00:34:55.40\00:34:56.98
They're just
pretending to be them,
00:34:56.99\00:34:59.20
they are Satan and his
host looking to deceive
00:34:59.21\00:35:02.39
and mislead. So that really John
00:35:02.40\00:35:06.36
and a quick
synopsis and I share that
00:35:06.37\00:35:08.83
because there
maybe some here listening
00:35:08.84\00:35:10.23
and viewing this
program and that have
00:35:10.24\00:35:12.70
experienced that.
They need to know exactly
00:35:12.71\00:35:15.69
what's going on
behind the scenes
00:35:15.70\00:35:17.06
Bible indicates
exactly what's happening.
00:35:17.07\00:35:19.35
Not what the
people are telling them
00:35:19.36\00:35:21.09
is happening. One of
the most familiar texts
00:35:21.10\00:35:23.59
that we quote often times is
00:35:23.60\00:35:25.75
Isaiah chapter 8 verse
20 but I want you to see
00:35:25.76\00:35:31.32
the context of
that because this is
00:35:31.33\00:35:32.88
one of those
passages that if you just
00:35:32.89\00:35:35.01
read prior to that,
you will began to see
00:35:35.02\00:35:37.81
you know what I'm
talking about John.
00:35:37.82\00:35:38.95
Oh yeah. Why don't you go there
00:35:38.96\00:35:40.15
and read that for us
and then what I like to do
00:35:40.16\00:35:42.45
today to lay the foundation,
00:35:42.46\00:35:43.74
to let you see how deceptive
00:35:43.75\00:35:45.48
this really is, we
wanna go to a story
00:35:45.49\00:35:47.75
very familiar story
that is often used by people
00:35:47.76\00:35:51.67
that wanna established
this teaching to make
00:35:51.68\00:35:53.81
you think that yes
you can contact the dead,
00:35:53.82\00:35:56.00
you see the verse
that I am talking about
00:35:56.01\00:35:57.43
verse 19. Yeah.
Read that for us.
00:35:57.44\00:35:59.35
All right, Isaiah
8:19 and 20 when they say
00:36:00.55\00:36:03.88
to you seek those who
are mediums and wizards,
00:36:03.89\00:36:06.55
who whisper and mutter,
should not a people seek
00:36:06.56\00:36:10.04
their God. Should
they seek the dead
00:36:10.05\00:36:12.49
on behalf of the
living, and then he adds
00:36:12.50\00:36:15.64
to the law and to the testimony
00:36:15.65\00:36:17.81
if they do not speak
according to this word
00:36:17.82\00:36:20.71
it is because
there is no light in them
00:36:20.72\00:36:23.65
and John simply put,
if they're not speaking
00:36:23.66\00:36:27.33
in accordance with
the testimony of God,
00:36:27.34\00:36:29.25
to his word, there
was no light in these
00:36:29.26\00:36:32.95
mediums and
wizards and predictors
00:36:32.96\00:36:36.32
of the future,
because God is not there.
00:36:36.33\00:36:39.82
It is the demonic
host, it is something
00:36:39.83\00:36:42.64
entirely different.
And you know what's talked
00:36:42.65\00:36:45.53
about it says do
not seek the death
00:36:45.54\00:36:47.76
on behalf of the
living where possibly
00:36:47.77\00:36:52.05
could Isaiah the
Prophet have gotten
00:36:52.06\00:36:53.30
such an idea from?
One of the most famous
00:36:53.31\00:36:56.62
stories in the Bible
is the story of Samuel,
00:36:56.63\00:36:58.83
the story of Saul, the
story of Witch of Endor
00:36:58.84\00:37:03.03
the woman and he said let me,
00:37:03.04\00:37:05.14
let's go and look at
that story real quickly
00:37:05.15\00:37:06.65
and what we're
going to find out here
00:37:06.66\00:37:08.10
when it says do
not seek the dead
00:37:08.11\00:37:10.55
on behalf of the
living. John pointed out
00:37:10.56\00:37:12.92
a moment I was
listening to your conversations
00:37:12.93\00:37:14.59
pretty well. You're
having a conversation
00:37:14.60\00:37:16.19
with those who are
watching and listening
00:37:16.20\00:37:17.88
to the program, television
00:37:17.89\00:37:19.22
and radio obviously
but the Bible talks about
00:37:19.23\00:37:23.13
familiar spirits
coming from the Hebrew word
00:37:23.14\00:37:26.86
which we get
the word family and.
00:37:26.87\00:37:29.95
Those that are familiar to us.
00:37:29.96\00:37:32.10
Those we are, those
that are familiar to us
00:37:32.11\00:37:34.10
and those that
we are familiar too,
00:37:34.11\00:37:36.35
so when the person
says that I saw my mom.
00:37:36.36\00:37:38.08
Oh you didn't see
your mom but spirits
00:37:39.09\00:37:41.55
have been able to
conjure up a familiar
00:37:41.56\00:37:44.43
resemblance of who
you may have known.
00:37:44.44\00:37:47.67
Leviticus chapter 19
by the way the Lord gives
00:37:47.68\00:37:51.44
some strong counsel
as to what should be done
00:37:51.45\00:37:54.34
with people that
conjure up evil spirits.
00:37:54.35\00:37:56.28
Well, Leviticus
chapter 19 verse 31,
00:37:56.29\00:37:58.82
Give no regard to
mediums and familiar
00:37:58.83\00:38:02.48
spirits; do not seek after them,
00:38:02.49\00:38:05.64
to be defiled by them:
I am the Lord your God.
00:38:05.65\00:38:09.71
So right away this
is just not something
00:38:09.72\00:38:13.37
that the people of
God should be involved in
00:38:13.38\00:38:16.54
and you know John when
you think about Babylon,
00:38:16.55\00:38:18.90
remember Babylon
is referred to as the
00:38:18.91\00:38:23.36
Harlot Revelation chapter 17.
00:38:23.37\00:38:25.30
a Harlot is another
word for a prostitute
00:38:25.31\00:38:28.04
you see and some
people will argue,
00:38:28.05\00:38:30.87
some pay, and some
are free but the whole
00:38:30.88\00:38:33.34
process is the
same thing. Illicit,
00:38:33.35\00:38:35.85
immorality and when
the Lord talks about
00:38:35.86\00:38:40.03
familiar spirits.
He says that a person
00:38:40.04\00:38:43.59
when they go
after familiar spirits
00:38:43.60\00:38:45.99
it's like they're
prostituting themselves
00:38:46.00\00:38:48.33
and here's the
text, Leviticus chapter 20
00:38:48.34\00:38:50.85
verse 6 and the
person who turns to mediums
00:38:50.86\00:38:53.29
and familiar
spirits to prostitute
00:38:53.30\00:38:56.00
himself with them. I
will set my face against
00:38:56.01\00:38:58.67
that person and cut
him off from his people
00:38:58.68\00:39:02.44
and one last one
before we read this story here
00:39:02.45\00:39:04.89
in First Samuel
and I'll have you start
00:39:04.90\00:39:06.89
into this story
but the next one,
00:39:06.90\00:39:09.42
Leviticus chapter 20 verse 27.
00:39:09.43\00:39:11.88
A man or a woman who is a medium
00:39:11.89\00:39:14.80
or who has a familiar
or who has familiar spirits
00:39:14.81\00:39:20.07
shall surely be put to death,
00:39:20.08\00:39:22.35
they shall stone
them with stones,
00:39:22.36\00:39:25.50
their blood shall be upon them.
00:39:25.51\00:39:28.24
Not upon the person
who does the killing.
00:39:28.25\00:39:30.26
Their blood because
of the fact that they are
00:39:30.27\00:39:32.37
connecting themselves
to evil forces is gonna be
00:39:32.38\00:39:34.80
on their own head and
so when you read this story
00:39:34.81\00:39:37.49
now you're gonna
see three all those
00:39:37.50\00:39:39.85
components of
familiar spirits, the person,
00:39:39.86\00:39:43.27
The person who
prostitutes himself
00:39:43.28\00:39:44.98
with them and the
one who knows that
00:39:44.99\00:39:47.39
this is an art
that causes a person
00:39:47.40\00:39:50.18
to be in danger of
being put to death.
00:39:50.19\00:39:52.23
Yeah and the
other thing you'll see
00:39:52.24\00:39:54.02
too as you read
throughout scripture
00:39:54.03\00:39:55.83
is that the
spirit world that usually
00:39:55.84\00:39:58.39
talks about,
you should stay away
00:39:58.40\00:39:59.45
from is spoken of its
coming from the beneath,
00:39:59.46\00:40:02.71
thank you, from the bottom never
00:40:02.72\00:40:05.11
from coming from God
down, the spirit world
00:40:05.12\00:40:07.99
is always spoken of,
that you should avoid
00:40:08.00\00:40:09.88
is in reference to
coming out from beneath,
00:40:09.89\00:40:12.78
that's right, and so
you'll see that as well
00:40:12.79\00:40:16.15
in this which is really a key.
00:40:16.16\00:40:18.39
All these things that
you just read John are
00:40:18.40\00:40:20.58
a key to
understanding this passage,
00:40:20.59\00:40:22.27
very good and by the
way lot of people talk about
00:40:22.28\00:40:24.47
Lazarus being in
heaven, there is whole doctrine
00:40:24.48\00:40:27.94
that a particular denomination
00:40:27.95\00:40:30.16
talks about, I
even heard a preacher,
00:40:30.17\00:40:31.70
very familiar
preacher on television,
00:40:31.71\00:40:33.73
very well known he
talked about when God
00:40:33.74\00:40:36.95
and he put this
in very dramatic way
00:40:36.96\00:40:39.75
when God said
Lazarus, Lazarus came down
00:40:39.76\00:40:43.68
from heaven. Well
you know that's not true
00:40:43.69\00:40:45.86
that's not supported
anywhere in the Bible,
00:40:45.87\00:40:48.20
that's a folklore
fairy tale lie, untruth.
00:40:48.21\00:40:53.36
The fact of the matter
is when Lazarus came out
00:40:53.37\00:40:56.89
of the tomb Lazarus
didn't say why did you
00:40:56.90\00:40:59.74
bother me, why did you interrupt
00:40:59.75\00:41:02.29
my conversation I
was having in heaven.
00:41:02.30\00:41:04.10
He didn't say oh!
So wonderful there
00:41:04.11\00:41:06.37
matter of fact he
didn't give any account of
00:41:06.38\00:41:09.14
being anywhere, which
is evidence that he was not
00:41:09.15\00:41:12.05
in heaven, right, but
now lets go to the story
00:41:12.06\00:41:14.18
here because this
is a very powerful,
00:41:14.19\00:41:15.93
very, very powerful
story and this shows you
00:41:15.94\00:41:18.97
the level of what
the enemy wants to do
00:41:18.98\00:41:22.25
and how dangerous
it is to put yourself
00:41:22.26\00:41:25.29
in the same
category here. Let me add
00:41:25.30\00:41:27.17
the context here,
there is a spiritual
00:41:27.18\00:41:29.27
application of
this to, very much so,
00:41:29.28\00:41:31.25
because Saul who
was now in a rejecting
00:41:31.26\00:41:34.89
state by God,
remember he had done
00:41:34.90\00:41:36.77
and he opposed the ways of God
00:41:36.78\00:41:38.83
and he was not
willing to follow what God
00:41:38.84\00:41:40.40
wanted him to do as
a King and so God had
00:41:40.41\00:41:43.46
chosen David
anointed him through Samuel,
00:41:43.47\00:41:46.05
that's right, so
Saul has given up now,
00:41:46.06\00:41:48.43
so he's gonna
prostituted himself,
00:41:48.44\00:41:50.23
that's right and who
does he come to a woman,
00:41:50.24\00:41:53.48
what does a woman represent?
00:41:53.49\00:41:55.31
Well it depends, a
woman that is defiled
00:41:56.17\00:41:59.26
represents a
false system of worship,
00:41:59.27\00:42:02.66
Revelation 17 the harlot, right,
00:42:02.67\00:42:04.16
a woman who is pure
and holy and standing
00:42:04.17\00:42:06.71
on God's word
represents Christ true church,
00:42:06.72\00:42:09.67
that's right. So
there is an end time
00:42:09.68\00:42:11.19
scenario here and
see if you can pull
00:42:11.20\00:42:12.50
some of that
out of that is well,
00:42:12.51\00:42:13.65
because I want
to keep this program
00:42:13.66\00:42:16.68
that we are doing remembering
00:42:16.69\00:42:17.66
the context of the
last days and so this story
00:42:17.67\00:42:20.31
helps us do that,
okay. Verse 7, then,
00:42:20.32\00:42:22.86
actually,
actually, actually just read
00:42:22.87\00:42:26.24
verse 3-6, okay, let's go ahead,
00:42:26.25\00:42:29.75
I read verse 3-6
you start at verse 7,
00:42:29.76\00:42:31.67
it says, now Samuel
dead, and all Israel had
00:42:31.68\00:42:35.86
lamented him and
buried him in Ramah,
00:42:35.87\00:42:38.45
his own city. And
Saul had put the mediums
00:42:38.46\00:42:43.75
and the spirits out of the land.
00:42:43.76\00:42:45.83
So, he knew it
was wrong, he put them
00:42:45.84\00:42:49.24
out of the land, spiritists,
00:42:49.25\00:42:50.52
the spiritists out of the land.
00:42:50.53\00:42:52.09
Then the
Philistines gathered together
00:42:52.10\00:42:55.83
and came and camped in Shunem.
00:42:55.84\00:42:58.63
So, Saul gathered
all Israel together
00:42:58.64\00:43:03.36
and they encamped in Gilboa.
00:43:03.37\00:43:05.61
When Saul saw the
army of the Philistines,
00:43:05.62\00:43:08.86
he was afraid and his
heart trembled greatly.
00:43:08.87\00:43:11.46
And when Saul
inquired of the Lord, the Lord
00:43:12.31\00:43:15.15
did not answer
him, neither by dreams
00:43:15.16\00:43:18.47
or by Urim or by
prophets. Okay now,
00:43:18.48\00:43:22.92
catch that quote,
okay, the Lord did not answer
00:43:22.93\00:43:27.29
that's right him by
the prophets, that's right.
00:43:27.30\00:43:31.17
So the Lord is not
going to answer him
00:43:31.18\00:43:34.08
by any prophet let
me ask you a question
00:43:34.09\00:43:35.98
with Samuel the
prophet, yes he was,
00:43:35.99\00:43:39.17
so the Lord is not
going to even if Samuel
00:43:39.18\00:43:42.52
was alive in
heaven going to sent
00:43:42.53\00:43:45.87
Samuel to talk
to Saul, it wasn't
00:43:45.88\00:43:47.93
going to happen. So we know that
00:43:47.94\00:43:49.54
who comes is not
from God and that big
00:43:49.55\00:43:51.76
if is I mean what I
say even if, big if yeah,
00:43:51.77\00:43:54.14
even if he was
there, that's right,
00:43:54.15\00:43:55.73
he wouldn't
send him. So, we know
00:43:55.74\00:43:57.64
by the fact that he appears that
00:43:57.65\00:43:59.17
he's not in heaven
and he is not sent.
00:43:59.18\00:44:01.01
And you made a
point which you have to
00:44:01.02\00:44:02.58
mention now from
which direction if people
00:44:02.59\00:44:05.02
are in heaven they
would come what down,
00:44:05.03\00:44:06.84
right, okay but
now notice this follow
00:44:06.85\00:44:08.44
the story very
carefully and Samuel 28 still,
00:44:08.45\00:44:11.37
verse 7, Then Saul
said to his servants,
00:44:11.38\00:44:14.89
find me a woman who is a medium
00:44:14.90\00:44:17.00
that I may go to
her and inquire of her.
00:44:17.01\00:44:19.91
And his servants said to him,
00:44:21.10\00:44:22.61
in fact there is a
woman who is a medium
00:44:22.62\00:44:24.79
at Endor. Remember
that, remember that
00:44:24.80\00:44:27.16
show Bewitched,
yeah, here mother
00:44:27.17\00:44:29.24
is called Endora,
see right from here,
00:44:29.25\00:44:31.82
a witch, let me not
read verse word for word,
00:44:31.83\00:44:35.41
verse by verse, I wanna
cover some sections here
00:44:35.42\00:44:38.08
because we don't
have a lot but first aid
00:44:38.09\00:44:39.55
is important. Okay so,
Saul disguised himself,
00:44:39.56\00:44:42.67
and put on other
clothes, and went,
00:44:42.68\00:44:44.03
he and two men
with him, and they came
00:44:44.04\00:44:45.86
to the woman by
night; and he said,
00:44:45.87\00:44:48.37
please conduct a
seance for me and bring out
00:44:48.38\00:44:50.40
for me the one I
shall name to you.
00:44:50.41\00:44:52.51
Not as people
have séances nowadays,
00:44:52.52\00:44:54.71
lot of people have
séance. You notice that
00:44:54.72\00:44:56.61
spiritual
application you because John say
00:44:56.62\00:44:58.41
there is a
spiritual lesson here,
00:44:58.42\00:44:59.63
notice what he did.
He put on other clothes,
00:44:59.64\00:45:03.21
which means he is no
longer the man of God
00:45:03.22\00:45:05.70
anytime you see the
bible talk about clothes
00:45:05.71\00:45:07.41
like the Lord for
example he put clothing
00:45:07.42\00:45:10.39
on Adam and Eve,
Jesus did his own clothing,
00:45:10.40\00:45:14.51
his righteousness
but Paul was a King
00:45:14.52\00:45:17.05
he took off his kingly garment
00:45:17.06\00:45:18.65
and put on other
clothes and then he did
00:45:18.66\00:45:22.17
something else. He
went to the woman by night
00:45:22.18\00:45:25.94
okay, okay, then
the woman said to him
00:45:25.95\00:45:31.22
look you know
what Saul has done,
00:45:31.23\00:45:34.03
how he has cut off the mediums
00:45:34.04\00:45:35.83
and spiritists from
the land. Why then do you
00:45:35.84\00:45:38.98
lay a snare for my
life to cause me to die.
00:45:38.99\00:45:41.51
And Saul vowed to
her by the Lord, saying,
00:45:41.52\00:45:44.31
As the Lord lives,
no punishment shall
00:45:44.32\00:45:46.26
come upon you for this thing.
00:45:46.27\00:45:47.89
Then the woman said,
Whom shall I bring up
00:45:48.48\00:45:51.54
for you? Who shall, And he said,
00:45:51.55\00:45:54.12
Bring up Samuel for
me. When the woman saw
00:45:54.13\00:45:58.53
Samuel, she cried
out with a loud voice;
00:45:58.54\00:46:01.40
and the woman
spoke to Saul, saying,
00:46:01.41\00:46:03.52
you have you
deceived me? For you are Saul.
00:46:03.53\00:46:05.96
And the King said to
her, Do not be afraid;
00:46:05.97\00:46:09.81
but what do you see?
And the woman said to Saul,
00:46:09.82\00:46:13.30
I saw a spirit
ascending out of the earth.
00:46:13.31\00:46:17.90
And told us
there a spirit, spirit,
00:46:17.91\00:46:21.25
she says I didn't see Samuel,
00:46:21.26\00:46:22.73
she says earlier
that a woman saw Samuel
00:46:22.74\00:46:25.86
but now this
becomes more specific here,
00:46:25.87\00:46:28.17
I saw a spirit
ascending out of the earth.
00:46:28.18\00:46:30.33
So he said to
her, What is the form
00:46:30.34\00:46:34.02
or what is his
form? And she said,
00:46:34.03\00:46:36.21
An old man is coming
up, and he is covered
00:46:36.22\00:46:39.13
with a mantle.
And Saul perceived
00:46:39.14\00:46:42.00
that it was Samuel, and
he stooped with his face
00:46:42.01\00:46:45.62
to the ground and bowed down.
00:46:45.63\00:46:47.29
Now Samuel said to
Saul, Why have you disturbed
00:46:48.45\00:46:51.07
me by bringing me
up? And Saul answered,
00:46:51.08\00:46:54.10
I'm deeply
distressed; for the Philistines
00:46:54.11\00:46:57.13
make war against me,
and God has departed from me
00:46:57.14\00:47:00.04
and does not answer me anymore,
00:47:00.05\00:47:01.71
neither by
prophets nor by dreams.
00:47:01.72\00:47:06.58
Therefore I've called
you, that you may reveal
00:47:06.59\00:47:09.16
to me what I should
do. You know this is really
00:47:09.17\00:47:11.55
important because if
you run past verse 15
00:47:11.56\00:47:13.71
people will say
see the Bible says
00:47:13.72\00:47:15.67
so Samuel said, well remember
00:47:15.68\00:47:17.92
familiar spirits. I
received phone calls
00:47:17.93\00:47:21.48
on a number, I
mean not a whole lot
00:47:21.49\00:47:23.57
but I've received a
number of phone calls
00:47:23.58\00:47:25.48
where people have
said I saw my mother
00:47:25.49\00:47:27.20
and if they didn't
tell me what her name was
00:47:27.21\00:47:29.81
but in this context is
saying Satan is so able
00:47:29.82\00:47:33.45
to deceive, that's why Jesus
00:47:33.46\00:47:36.96
when he talked about
the signs of the last days
00:47:36.97\00:47:39.67
in Matthew 24, he said
if they say to you here
00:47:39.68\00:47:43.24
is the Christ do not
believe it and this is,
00:47:43.25\00:47:47.71
that's how
powerful Satan is able to
00:47:47.72\00:47:49.67
duplicate or
personate or impersonate,
00:47:51.21\00:47:54.97
this is if they say
to you here is the Christ
00:47:54.98\00:47:58.75
and then Satan will go so far as
00:47:58.76\00:48:00.77
Second Corinthians,
11 says, 11 verse 13
00:48:00.78\00:48:05.14
he says he will
appear as an angel of light.
00:48:05.15\00:48:09.66
So right now
what's happening here
00:48:09.67\00:48:11.89
as you know that God
is not responding to Saul
00:48:11.90\00:48:14.00
he's not talking him
by prophets so then how
00:48:14.01\00:48:17.06
is he able to "get a
prophet of God to talk
00:48:17.07\00:48:21.86
to him" when God is
not allowing the prophets
00:48:21.87\00:48:23.91
to talk to him, that's right,
00:48:23.92\00:48:25.08
a spirit now
mimics the prophet of God
00:48:25.09\00:48:29.52
and starts using
the voice even of Samuel
00:48:29.53\00:48:32.49
to start talking to
Saul and Saul is convinced
00:48:32.50\00:48:35.88
that it is Samuel.
Also you know notice that
00:48:36.79\00:48:38.97
ascending out of
the earth there is a
00:48:38.98\00:48:41.82
reference to this
very phrase in the
00:48:41.83\00:48:43.48
book of Revelation.
Ascending out of the
00:48:43.49\00:48:45.80
bottomless pit and it
seems to there is only
00:48:45.81\00:48:49.21
one spirit that
comes out of the earth
00:48:49.22\00:48:54.63
or out of the
bottomless pit that's right,
00:48:54.64\00:48:56.46
that is Satan and his host.
00:48:56.47\00:48:57.90
So anyway in
verse 14 where she says
00:48:59.82\00:49:03.43
or he says that
he perceived that
00:49:03.44\00:49:05.21
it was Samuel, that is
essentially saying that
00:49:05.22\00:49:08.93
Saul was
deceived. He was deceived
00:49:08.94\00:49:13.74
by this spirit into
thinking that it was
00:49:13.75\00:49:15.39
Samuel, he did
not like what Samuel
00:49:15.40\00:49:18.49
is going to tell
him. Samuel "Samuel."
00:49:18.50\00:49:22.24
Look at verse 19,
this is the spirit speaking
00:49:22.25\00:49:26.38
back to him,
Moreover the Lord will also
00:49:26.39\00:49:28.52
deliver Israel with
you into the hand of the
00:49:28.53\00:49:31.02
Philistines, which
was true and tomorrow
00:49:31.03\00:49:34.68
you and your sons
be where? With me.
00:49:34.69\00:49:38.49
Where is me, well
Saul may think well
00:49:38.50\00:49:42.43
I get to go to heaven
with Samuel but remember
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this spirit was
coming up from the earth
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that means Saul will not go up
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but he will go down and he knew.
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He knew that mind of
dreadful thing he knew
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this was not a
good outcome because
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if you look at his
response in verse 20,
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read that verse
20, Saul's response
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was one of sheer disappointment
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and fear because
he knew that okay
00:50:05.22\00:50:06.91
if I'm gonna be with Samuel,
00:50:06.92\00:50:08.93
"by this time
tomorrow I'll be dead"
00:50:08.94\00:50:12.25
yeah he didn't say I
was gonna be in a nice place
00:50:12.26\00:50:15.48
like they say in
funerals well I'm
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gonna be in a
better place as they say
00:50:17.27\00:50:19.27
but you know he's now the dead
00:50:19.28\00:50:20.53
and the devil said to
him in literally he had
00:50:20.54\00:50:23.63
the evil spirit said
to him what kind of spirit
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it could have be if
it is under the control
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of a medium, yeah,
of a witch it is not
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God's spirit. People
and this is the thing
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John I think we
pulled all we could
00:50:36.29\00:50:38.20
out of the story
wait I'm go through
00:50:38.21\00:50:39.25
just make an eloquent
sermon but what we want
00:50:39.26\00:50:42.16
to pull out of this
is this do you notice
00:50:42.17\00:50:44.36
how easy and how convincing
00:50:44.37\00:50:46.93
Satan's deceptions are
that is what this story
00:50:46.94\00:50:50.09
is bringing out. If
you want to give your eyes
00:50:50.10\00:50:53.49
the job of verifying
what you see right here
00:50:53.50\00:50:56.38
Saul saw Samuel,
if you said well okay
00:50:56.39\00:51:01.41
its not just what I
see but this is voice also,
00:51:01.42\00:51:04.29
Saul was deceived
as a spirit brought up
00:51:04.30\00:51:08.78
from the pits of hell
by a medium used the voice
00:51:08.79\00:51:13.98
of Saul, I mean
used the voice of Samuel
00:51:13.99\00:51:16.02
and the
appearance of Samuel to bring
00:51:16.03\00:51:18.95
destruction and demise to Saul
00:51:18.96\00:51:22.77
and something you
mentioned earlier John
00:51:22.78\00:51:24.54
by this time God
had already departed
00:51:24.55\00:51:28.45
from Saul. He already
cut off his connection
00:51:28.46\00:51:32.38
with God. When you
see what the Bible says
00:51:32.39\00:51:35.14
you see they are
clearly this could not have been
00:51:35.15\00:51:37.49
this could by no
means had been Samuel
00:51:37.50\00:51:40.59
and Saul was not
talking to somebody who had
00:51:40.60\00:51:43.96
departed and was in
a different location
00:51:43.97\00:51:47.26
having a different
life while they were in the
00:51:47.27\00:51:50.84
state of death,
doesn't support anything
00:51:50.85\00:51:53.61
the Bible says.
You have a scripture
00:51:53.62\00:51:55.54
you want to bring to
us, no I like to finish up
00:51:55.55\00:51:57.26
our topic here really
quick on, sure, death,
00:51:57.27\00:51:59.33
as I want to get
into our, in our last
00:51:59.34\00:52:00.87
program, yes, the resurrection,
00:52:00.88\00:52:02.51
we really need to
connect that, okay.
00:52:02.52\00:52:04.07
So as a segue
to the resurrection
00:52:04.08\00:52:09.34
which we talk
about here next time,
00:52:09.35\00:52:11.68
I like to read here
from Genesis 3:22-24
00:52:12.72\00:52:18.78
and this is speaking
of right after the fall,
00:52:19.94\00:52:21.80
alright, and it says
the Lord God said Behold,
00:52:21.81\00:52:25.51
the man has
become like one of us,
00:52:25.52\00:52:27.33
to know good and
evil: And now, lest he put
00:52:27.34\00:52:30.28
his hand, out his hand and take
00:52:30.29\00:52:32.28
also of the tree of life and eat
00:52:32.29\00:52:34.86
and live for ever:
Therefore the Lord God
00:52:34.87\00:52:37.33
sent him forth
from the garden of Eden,
00:52:37.34\00:52:38.85
to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
00:52:38.86\00:52:40.88
So he drove out the
man; and he placed a Cherubim
00:52:40.89\00:52:44.18
at the east of
the garden of Eden,
00:52:44.19\00:52:45.90
and a flaming sword
which turned every way,
00:52:45.91\00:52:49.55
to guard the way
of the tree of life.
00:52:49.56\00:52:52.15
So, the situation
here is that as the fall of
00:52:52.16\00:52:58.01
Adam and Eve they
were banned from the
00:52:58.02\00:53:01.76
tree of life
because the tree of life
00:53:01.77\00:53:03.21
would impart to
them, would give them
00:53:03.22\00:53:04.70
immortality, that's
right, they did not part
00:53:04.71\00:53:08.18
take of it so they were immortal
00:53:08.19\00:53:09.57
which why we call
ourselves moral beings.
00:53:09.58\00:53:11.47
Man, the teaching today is that,
00:53:11.48\00:53:15.74
that is not true
the we're inherently
00:53:15.75\00:53:19.02
immortal inside, we don't need
00:53:19.03\00:53:21.79
the tree of life and
that we can live forever
00:53:21.80\00:53:24.69
outside of whether or
not that tree was barred
00:53:24.70\00:53:28.09
from Adam and
Eve eating from it,
00:53:28.10\00:53:30.58
that's right, and I
want you to understand
00:53:30.59\00:53:31.91
this teaching
here, until we partake
00:53:31.92\00:53:34.64
of this tree, until
we receive immortality
00:53:34.65\00:53:37.17
and that comes
to the resurrection
00:53:37.18\00:53:38.85
that's our next
program we will not live
00:53:38.86\00:53:41.54
forever again. This
side of the resurrection,
00:53:41.55\00:53:45.49
so those who have
died before have not passed
00:53:45.50\00:53:49.55
on to eternal life
yet, they are waiting
00:53:49.56\00:53:53.14
for the
resurrection and so I'll end
00:53:53.15\00:53:55.49
with this quick
verse here and then John
00:53:55.50\00:53:57.48
you can take
yourself, what is God doing
00:53:57.49\00:54:01.79
what has he done with our life
00:54:01.80\00:54:04.92
that has gone back to
Him, well let me share
00:54:04.93\00:54:08.49
this with you
from First Peter 1:3, 4
00:54:08.50\00:54:10.54
that God has an inheritance
00:54:11.35\00:54:13.86
incorruptible and
under file that will
00:54:13.87\00:54:16.50
not fade away and
that it is a reserved
00:54:16.51\00:54:19.42
in heaven for you.
God is waiting for this
00:54:19.43\00:54:22.93
moment in time
John, where he can give
00:54:22.94\00:54:24.98
all of his people
who put their trust
00:54:24.99\00:54:27.13
their faith in Him.
He is waiting for a time
00:54:27.14\00:54:29.99
to bring them to
heaven to give them
00:54:30.00\00:54:31.54
all that he has
promised them, that's right
00:54:31.55\00:54:33.58
and this side of
the promise we can't
00:54:33.59\00:54:35.24
inherit that. I
wanted to emphasis something
00:54:35.25\00:54:38.15
also to just
nail down this story
00:54:38.16\00:54:40.06
so that you could
make sure in your mind
00:54:40.07\00:54:41.52
you're clear about the fact that
00:54:41.53\00:54:42.77
what was
happening in the story of
00:54:42.78\00:54:44.51
Saul and Samuel
and witch of Endor
00:54:44.52\00:54:46.05
was not an actual
communication between
00:54:46.06\00:54:47.92
Saul and Samuel not at
all. Here is a text that
00:54:47.93\00:54:51.48
will really put that to rest.
00:54:51.49\00:54:53.03
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6
and 10, listen to this
00:54:53.04\00:54:58.09
very carefully,
For the living know
00:54:58.10\00:55:00.27
that they will die,
but the dead know nothing.
00:55:00.28\00:55:05.04
So if Samuel, since
Samuel had already died,
00:55:05.83\00:55:09.28
the prophet died
was buried in Ramah
00:55:09.29\00:55:11.64
since he died he
knows nothing and says also
00:55:11.65\00:55:17.80
and they have no more reward,
00:55:17.81\00:55:20.59
for the memory of
them that's forgotten.
00:55:20.60\00:55:22.61
What it means is
not that you forget them
00:55:22.62\00:55:24.84
but their memory
seizes to function
00:55:24.85\00:55:27.30
here's the verse
that emphasis that.
00:55:27.31\00:55:29.13
Also their love,
their hatred and their envoy
00:55:29.14\00:55:33.82
have now perished and
this is very important
00:55:33.83\00:55:37.08
because remember
Saul was having a
00:55:37.09\00:55:40.89
conversation with an evil spirit
00:55:40.90\00:55:42.45
that mimics Samuel
but look at what he says
00:55:42.46\00:55:45.43
about those who die, never more
00:55:45.44\00:55:47.81
will they have a
share in anything done
00:55:47.82\00:55:51.07
under the sun. So
when you die you're not
00:55:51.08\00:55:53.15
coming back to
give counsel to people
00:55:53.16\00:55:54.52
that are under the
sun, right, you don't have
00:55:54.53\00:55:56.07
any dealings
with anything that's
00:55:56.08\00:55:57.20
happening now under the sun,
00:55:57.21\00:55:58.31
you have no more
should never more will
00:55:58.32\00:56:01.91
they have a share
in anything done under
00:56:01.92\00:56:04.50
the sun and that's
why verse 10 is so widely
00:56:04.51\00:56:06.75
important.
Ecclesiastes 9:10, Whatever
00:56:06.76\00:56:10.78
your hand finds to
do, do it with your might,
00:56:10.79\00:56:15.43
remember for there
is no work, or device,
00:56:16.11\00:56:19.03
or knowledge, or
wisdom in the grave
00:56:19.04\00:56:21.52
where you are
going. Where did Samuel
00:56:21.53\00:56:23.88
get wisdom to give Saul advice?
00:56:23.89\00:56:26.19
It wasn't Samuel, it
was an evil spirit who knew
00:56:26.20\00:56:29.50
that God had
rejected Saul and he was
00:56:29.51\00:56:32.36
repeating what God
had already told him,
00:56:32.37\00:56:34.26
God has departed from
you and he knew already,
00:56:34.27\00:56:37.96
the devil and evil
angels knew already
00:56:37.97\00:56:39.95
that any dealings
with mediums meant
00:56:39.96\00:56:42.23
certain death and
he pronounced on him.
00:56:42.24\00:56:44.48
That's what the devil does,
00:56:44.49\00:56:45.70
he gets you in
trouble then he strips you
00:56:45.71\00:56:48.26
and causes you to
see that all along
00:56:48.27\00:56:51.10
he intended to
kill you. You know
00:56:51.11\00:56:53.05
and I think this
statement is clear
00:56:53.06\00:56:54.65
also in Psalm
6:5, okay, which says
00:56:54.66\00:56:58.51
For in death
there is no remembrance,
00:56:58.52\00:57:01.81
in other words you
memory doesn't function,
00:57:01.82\00:57:03.99
there is nothing that
you have any knowledge
00:57:04.00\00:57:06.26
of and it goes on
to say in the grave
00:57:06.27\00:57:09.05
who will give you
Lord, who will give you
00:57:09.06\00:57:11.86
thanks? And the
answer is no one.
00:57:11.87\00:57:13.68
So if the
people are in the grave
00:57:13.69\00:57:15.11
and there are in
heaven then there is no
00:57:15.12\00:57:17.55
knowledge, there
is no giving thanks,
00:57:17.56\00:57:19.29
what good are
they. That's right.
00:57:19.30\00:57:21.05
They are not in the
heaven talking to us
00:57:21.06\00:57:22.63
down here on earth
they are not giving us
00:57:22.64\00:57:24.20
any messages from
God. And so friends stick
00:57:24.21\00:57:26.56
to the Bible follow
us for our next program
00:57:26.57\00:57:28.94
where we unseat this
false lie and give you
00:57:28.95\00:57:32.80
only what the word of God says.
00:57:32.81\00:57:34.32
God bless you too,
we'll see you again.
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