Hello, friends. Grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition
of "House Calls."
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Welcome to another
House Calls program
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and I would suggest that
you hit the record button,
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right now.
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Because I know you don't
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it's about the power
and purity that God intends
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for everyone of us to have.
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You'll find out what
that means in a moment.
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But my good friend
John Stanton here with us,
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good to have you, John.
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Hey, it's good to be here, John.
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Looking forward to the program.
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You know when we get a
mail or an e-mail to John,
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it's confusing because you know,
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there's there both of us,
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and then when
John Dinzey sits in,
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it really gets confusing.
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So thank you for
sending the e-mails,
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it's always a
pleasure to hear from you.
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You know when
some times when I just,
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real quick, when I
answer those e-mails,
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I'll say Pastors
John. Oh Pastors John.
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It's a plural,
Pastors John because
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it kind of comes from all of us.
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Okay, well, that's
good, but you know it's
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always a great
opportunity to sit down and come
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into you heart, into your
home, into your living room.
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Or if you're
watching this at church,
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into your church.
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But thank you for joining us,
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and we have a
lot to cover today,
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but before we do any of
that we want to have prayer,
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so John, have
prayer for us. Okay.
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Father in Heaven,
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we are so thankful
for another day here,
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and we just pray that
you'd bless us in a special way.
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Imbibe us with the
power of the Holy Spirit.
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Hear this as we open
your word and as we talk
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about things that
we know are things
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that are important especially
in the days in which we live.
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To know you better and
to prepare for your son's
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soon return, in
Jesus name, amen. Amen.
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Whenever you send us
questions we are excited
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about it because it
always gives us a glimpse
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into what you are thinking.
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Some of you like to
write dissertations,
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and it gets diffic ult
to read it all through.
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We've... we get
someletters that are
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hand written meticulously.
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And some times we
get written letters that
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look like hieroglyphics.
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So try to be really
clear when you send it to us,
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and if you send as e-mail to us,
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you can send it to us
at housecall@3abn.org,
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that's to housecall@3abn.org
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and we'll answer
that as best we can.
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So keep those letters,
and those e-mails coming,
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we appreciate it.
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But John, what do
you have for us today,
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what's our first question?
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Well, we've got a
good question that
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I think is
indicative of many conversations
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between people who
are Christians who study
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the word of God, and
disagree on certain issues.
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All right. And so I just read
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the first part of this,
and not the rest of it here
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which gets into more
one of those lengthier
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dissertation type of things.
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Okay. But it says,
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dear pastors, in
talking with my son-in-law,
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why Adventist
encourage vegetarianism,
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I explain that our
bodies are the temple of God.
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And we are to give it the best,
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and that we won't be
eating any meat in heaven.
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And we're to
prepare our lives for them.
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He said that your opinion.
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When I give him Bible
verses about such things,
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he says, that's the
way you interpreted.
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He says, everyone can have
a different interpretation.
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I said, I believe if
you pray the Holy Spirit
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will give you the
right interpretation.
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I think, his reply was,
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that's the way I
interpret it or something
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to that effect.
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Okay, so this is
the beginning of what...
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in fact I am
looking for the Ivan,
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it looks like, sent in
her conversation recently
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with her son-in-law.
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And so, you know, I
began to think here,
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this is a good
question to talk about as far as
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the subject of
interpreting the Bible.
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Okay. Because so often we have
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in our discussions
with maybe somebody else,
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a friend, maybe someone from,
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that belongs to another church.
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And we get into the discussion,
and there is a disagreement
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about what the Bible is really
saying in a particular topic.
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I don't believe in this
thing of relevant truth,
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where, you know,
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it's...it's truth for
some but not for others.
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You know, or you
know God doesn't really
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have a perfect
truth in all these things,
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it's kind of,
there's a gray area here.
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I mean there
are some gray areas,
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but those typically are
ethical issues and other things
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associated with that.
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But God I believe
does have a truth,
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that's right,
there's an absolute truth,
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and that's why we
have the word of God.
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So if we are to agree as
Christians that the Bible
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is the arbiter or the
handbook of absolute truth.
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Then we need to be
able to go to the word,
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and find the truth
on any specific issue.
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That's right.
Just before you answer
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that I want to say this,
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sometimes when you get
into and I am listening
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to the way that
the question is framed.
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Sometimes people
build road blocks by saying,
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well, that's
your interpretation,
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that's your interpretation,
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that's what you think it
is, and things like that.
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And so sometimes it's... it's
best in a family member setting,
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not to jostle one family
member against the other.
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Because sometimes that's
the most unproductive way
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to try to convince
innocent people have discovered
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the truth in the Bible,
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and have been clarified
by...by the word of God
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and then they
take it to their mom,
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or dad, or vise versa.
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Parents take it
to their children,
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and they get into this battle
because any drastic change
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that requires a
change in the person's life
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in your own home.
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It's a big
challenge, and this is not...
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in your own home, you
know being the son-in-law,
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but it still
sometimes comes across as that's
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your interpretation,
that's your idea but...
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Yeah, and I think in
any discussion though,
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when there is a disagreement,
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I think at some
point, fairly early on,
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not later on, you have to just,
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you know, agree to or disagree.
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This is an issue that
has to be hammered out
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if you see both
sides very polarized.
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And especially with
family like you're saying,
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you don't want to hurt
relationship by disagreeing so.
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Anyway, but this
issue of...of the Bible has
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several interpretations.
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And it's one
interpretation verses another.
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I just want to give a
quick synopsis of how John
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and myself interpret scripture,
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of course, the
power of the Holy Spirit,
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we depend upon the
Holy Spirit to give us
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that interpretation.
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But the other thing is
that I think is very important
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is the, what the
courts would call
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the
preponderance of the evidence.
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Okay. A vast
amount of information,
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and Isaiah speaks of
that of truth being found
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by going here and there
in other scripture places,
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cross referencing one
topic or in one topic one verse
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with another verse,
one text with another text.
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Very clear seems like
that, that is the way to
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bring about knowledge, in fact,
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why don't we
just read that here,
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briefly, I am
almost... I'm almost to it.
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Yeah, Isaiah 28.
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yeah, I was
thinking of that too.
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Isaiah 28, and I will read
starting with verse 9. Okay.
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Whom shall He teach knowledge?
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It's a good
question, and whom He'll make
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to understand message?
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And that's really
we are talking about,
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how do you find truth?
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Right, those just
weaned from the milk,
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and those just
drawn from the breasts.
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Verse 10: For
precept must be on precept,
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precept on
precept, line upon line,
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line upon line, here a little,
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and there a little. Right.
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Very clearer that scripture is,
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the truth is found by comparing
scripture with scripture. Right.
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So we have to be
careful, and I would say anybody
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needs to be careful,
we're taking one verse or
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one passage and saying
here's the truth on that.
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And isolating that passage
to kind of be the decision
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maker in a broad
scale of a specific topic.
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For instance, you know,
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many of you have
heard us talk about,
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you know, what happens
to the soul when you die?
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You know, what happens
to someone when they die?
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And there's this verse
that's frequently brought up
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by some from Second
Corinthians chapter 5,
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where it says, "To
be absent in the body
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is to be present
from, with the Lord, right?
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So we...absent from the body,
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excuse me to be
present with the Lord.
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And so we read that,
some read that and say,
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oh, look at there,
that shows you that your
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soul when you die
returns to God and that's
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when you live, in the
immediate sense in the
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conscious state.
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And the...but the
problem with that is that
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if you accept that as the
truth it contradicts numerous
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other texts in the Bible
that say much differently.
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And so that's where
truth is discovered in the
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multitude of the text,
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because one or two small
text on the topic does not
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a truth make,
fine, as one would say.
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And so, I would say
to someone who is saying,
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well, you know
that's your opinion,
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you know, you can have one,
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I have another.
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My thought would be just
to encourage them to take
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a look at all the
passages on the topic.
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Let's go away, let's
study this on your own,
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let's come back with 25,
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just come back with
30 texts on this topic.
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And let's see what
the Bible says on it?
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That's true, nothing if you
hit the nail right on the head
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because it's not a whole
lot we could add to that.
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Outside of the fact
that sometimes when a person
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looks at the passage,
he'll go back to the absent
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from the body
present with the Lord.
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How strange it is that
passage never mentions the
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word death, it never
mentions the word soul.
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It doesn't talk about
that but people's minds
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and the other things,
the other road block for
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many of those who
are watching the program,
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unless new to it
is, many people have had
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their minds molded by
things they've heard before,
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or things they have seen.
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Let's just since you open
the door to the topic of death,
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people will go to a funeral
and a preacher would say,
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well, they're in
heaven with the Lord.
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But you won't find a
single solitary scripture,
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not a single
solitary scripture, not one.
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Not even one that said
they died and went to heaven.
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But you'll find text that says,
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they have returned to the earth,
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you know his breathe goes forth,
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he returns to his earth in
the very day he starts perish,
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Psalms 146 verse 4.
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So, you begin to
see Psalms 115 verse 17:
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"That the dead do
not praise the Lord,
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neither any go
down into silence,
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not onto to praise."
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But those passages are never
included in their deduction
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about what happens
when a person dies.
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And so remember whenever
you conclude on a topic,
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make sure that the
passage directly addresses
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what happens. Right.
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And so don't just pull a
passage that sounds ethereal,
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because when Paul says,
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to be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lord.
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Paul is absent from
the body of the church,
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many, many, many
times, and he would write back
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to the Corinthians and say,
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though I am not there with you,
I am there with you in spirit.
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Well, what does that
mean, does that mean his spirit
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was floating around the church?
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No, that doesn't mean that,
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he's in essence saying I
wish I was there with you
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but I am not with you,
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I'm...I'm....I'm you
know I'm in the Lord's work,
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I'm in you know,
Antioch or Iconium,
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so I am writing
back to you in Corinth.
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So be very, very careful,
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because people often times,
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their minds are
molded by what they hear,
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rather than by what
the word of God says.
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You know another passage
here that we talked about death,
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and another one
is misinterpreting
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Romans chapter 14.
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Okay, you have about
one day above the other.
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You know one
day above the other,
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about eating and
so forth, and it says,
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with regard to the day.
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One person esteems
one day above another,
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and other esteems everyday
alike that each be fully
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convinced in his own mind.
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Some people will just say, well,
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look the Sabbath there.
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The Sabbath doesn't
even come into play,
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there's not even
this the Sabbath.
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Not even mentioned.
Not even mentioned. No.
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It is talking
about observing a day,
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now if you are observing a day,
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and he's talking
about eating and drinking,
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who is he talking about?
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Fasting, or he's talking
about abstaining from foods
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offered to idols,
it's along those lines,
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not Sabbath keeping. Right.
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So this is a typical
thing that a lot of people will
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commonly get caught up with.
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We have to be very
careful to take a single passage
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and say, oh, this is how it,
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this is what it is saying
without referring too many
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other passages
on that very topic.
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Matter of fact, one
that just came to my mind,
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I'm gonna turn to it right
now it is in First Timothy,
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let's go there.
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It's really
amazing, how people like to,
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okay here I am...
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Second Timothy sorry,
chapter 3 and verse 16:
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notice what it says,
and the reason I am reading
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this passage
because not a lot of people,
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John, this is
something I have discovered
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Second Timothy
chapter 3 verse 16 and 17.
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Not a lot of
people like to be wrong,
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now it's just a human nature.
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We have the... I
cannot afford to lose...
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you cannot...I can't look bad,
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I cannot appears
though I'm not clear,
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and informed on
what I am talking about,
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so sometimes he gets defensive.
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When it comes to direction,
when it comes to let me
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use the example of
the pilot on the airplane.
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We get on the airplane
because we trust the pilot
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and the plane is going
where we hope the ticket says,
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and we don't argue with
the pilot about direction.
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And the same way, we
shouldn't argue with God's word,
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and the pilot is simply
in the same sense following
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his manual, following all
the things that he has learned.
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And so we don't, we
don't argue with him
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but in the sense of religion
and politics to very volatile
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topics people
don't liked to be wrong.
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But the Bible makes it
clear that somebody's wrong
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and I would prefer to
it be the person wrong
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than the word of God
wrong, that's exactly the way.
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Because if the word of God is
wrong then God is not reliable.
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But so notice what it says
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in verse 16 of
Second Timothy chapter 3.
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All Scripture is
given by inspiration of God,
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another translation
said it's God breathed,
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and is profitable for doctrine.
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Be careful if you
are in a church that say
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they don't teach doctrines,
get out of it, get up and run.
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It's better to be in a
bar then in a church that
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lies to you, and say
we don't teach doctrines
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but we use the Bible.
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Any time a
person uses the Bible,
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they are teaching doctrine.
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So don't ever go
to a church that says
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we use the Bible but
we don't teach doctrine.
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Another word for
doctrine is simply teachings,
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what it says... what
it says about Christ and
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about everything else he says,
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is profitable for
doctrine for reproof,
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there it is, for correction,
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and another word for
reprove is for discipline.
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For correction, for instruction,
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giving direction in
righteousness that a man of God
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maybe complete or thoroughly
equipped for every good work
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or thoroughly
furnished for every good work.
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As the King James version says.
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So when you read
something in God's word
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and it says you
are wrong, you'll grow.
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If you admit or accept
what God word says over
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what you think
in fact is the case.
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So, look at the word of God,
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and see it for what
it is because God's word
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is never wrong, it's
always right. That's right.
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Anything else you
want to add to that, John?
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Yeah, just one of
the thing, it says in,
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let's see First no,
Second Peter, okay, 120.
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Look at that, and
I'm turning up there.
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In fact, let's start with 19.
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"And so we have the
prophetic word confirmed
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which you do well to
heed as the light that shines
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in a dark place
until the day dawns
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And the morning star
rises in your hearts,
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knowing this first,
that no prophecy or scripture
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if of any
private interpretation.
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For prophecy never
came by the will of man
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but holy man of God's spoke
moved there by the holy spirit."
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That's right.
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Now this is speaking
of particularly prophecy,
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but remember much
of the word of God
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especially in New Testament is
derived from the Old testament.
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Right. So when you are talking
about the prophetic word,
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in fact when people
prophesied back then often
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it wasn't
necessarily a time prophecy,
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it was speaking
the truth of the word.
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That's right.
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And so in that sense,
you know when someone says,
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I believe it, I believe it
the Bible says this without
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other scripture to back you up.
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They are giving you a
private interpretation.
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I'm always fearful
when a person says,
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what hears what I think.
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Yeah. And I
said to someone once,
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and they didn't
take it the right way,
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I hope I said it the right way.
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I said when it
comes to God's word,
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your opinion doesn't
matter, it really doesn't,
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can you imagine.
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I'm cooking
something and somebody,
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I ask for what do
you think I should put?
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Well, in my
opinion, well, you know,
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I'm making a cake here,
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your opinion
could be disastrous,
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what does the recipe say?
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What's written down?
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What are the instructions of
putting this project together?
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What are the blue
printed building of this house?
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What are the architectural
drawings telling him to do?
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What is this commenting,
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telling me about
the circulatory board?
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What is the power
circuit grid telling me about
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the electronics of
this lighting system?
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And a lot of people would, would
follow all of those things,
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John, but they would
just not follow God's word.
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Because it just
points out something that
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we don't like to
admit, we are wrong.
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And it points to what
is going on the inside.
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I think Paul said it well,
I know the law is spiritual
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but I am carnal sold under sin.
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Now I want to add
this too, so no one gets
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the wrong impression, I
have been and you have been
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wrong on many
occasions in the past.
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We're not speaking,
we are not speaking as if
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we've never had been wrong.
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Right. I mean we've learned
from mistakes of the past.
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Right. We've learned from
God's word throughout time,
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and I have found many
a times where I sat down
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with someone, had a position,
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had an opinion, and
they had a more clearer,
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a more clear passage
or understanding of truth.
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And I've had to
say, you know what?
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I can see your point,
you.... You are right,
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I can see where it, it's
not in harmony what I have,
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what I have come up
with or what I believe that
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I found this truth.
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So this happens
overtime as we study the word,
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but I think it
happens for those who are open
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to an
understanding from the word,
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not closed in
their personal, private,
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interpretation
and that's the key.
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So you know the, and
the last thing as we say,
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you know, as we
conclude this question.
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Be open, be open to the
word of God speaking to you,
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not closed in your
own personal opinion.
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As soon as you close
off, saying I'm sorry,
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I won't accept
anything else besides
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what I've already believed.
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Then you miss out, I
think on the blessing of
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further
understanding God's word.
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I had a guy
that once said to me,
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when we did go over a
few passages that he did not
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read before, he said,
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I think this
conversation is done.
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And I said why, he
said because you know,
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you're arguing with
me, I said, we haven't even
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raised our voices.
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The devil makes people
throw that word into a situation
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to kind of you know,
make it inflammatory.
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Well, I don't
want to argue with you.
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Don't argue
with the word of God,
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it's the real issue.
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And so sometimes
people look at parachutes
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and escape routes, to
get away from confronting
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the word of God.
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But you know, as the Bible says,
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well, I say this,
this my own statement.
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Wherever you go,
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you are there and
the problem follows you.
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Anyway, we did a
lot for that question,
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but here's another one,
somebody asked the question,
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the Sabbath talked
about, in Leviticus Chapter 23,
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the Sabbath talked
about in Leviticus Chapter 23,
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and it said, "There
seemed to be so many Sabbaths,
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are all the other Sabbaths
as conditional and transitory,
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now they believe, are they
all conditional and transitory?"
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No they are not all
conditional and transitory.
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Before I show you the
text, that's referred to,
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let me make this statement,
they are the word Sabbath,
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if you were to break it down,
it means the holy convocation.
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And they were many holy
convocations in the Bible,
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they were many holy days.
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Now you'll find that
in the book of Colossians,
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matter of fact, John why don't
we start in the Colossians,
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do have that passage there?
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Colossians 2, I'm
turning there now,
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every now and then
I...I in my new Bible,
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John, it's not as marked up,
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I end up going
back to my old Bible.
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true word there.
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Yeah, this one's falling
apart a bit, okay, Colossians.
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Colossians 2 of verse 16 and 17,
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read that for us,
"So no...let no one judge
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you in food, or in
drink or regarding a festival,
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or a new moon, or Sabbaths.
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Which are a
shadow of things to come,
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but the substance is of Christ."
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Okay, notice the word,
there Sabbath is pluralized,
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and then, and
then, you get down to,
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let me just allow me to do
this, I'll read the text here.
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And I'll show you
various translations of it,
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Exodus Chapter 20
verse 8 to verse 11.
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I'm going to read this in
three different translations,
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and the reason I'm
going to do this is because
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sometimes people read
these different translations.
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And because
they sound different,
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we sometimes come
away with the idea,
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that they are all
saying something in contrast
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to each other, or
contrary to the real picture.
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Now listen to this, I
am going to first read this
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in the King James Version,
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and this will
answer the question
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that many people have.
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First of all, Exodus 20 verse
8: remember the Sabbath day
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to keep it holy, Six
days shalt thou labor,
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and do all thy work.
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But the seventh day is the
Sabbath of the Lord thy God,
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all right.
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And then verse 11: "I'm
going to go down to that,
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For in six days the Lord made,
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the heavens and the
earth, and all that in them is,
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and rested the seventh
day: there forth the Lord
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blessed the Sabbath
day, and hallowed it."
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Notice the definite, you
don't get any misconception
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that they are any
other days that are blessed.
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Right, in that sense
once creation leak was done,
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the seventh day was blessed,
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unequivocally God
didn't bless any other day.
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But he used all the
other days to create.
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Now let's go the, the
New King James Version
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pretty much
says it the same way,
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here's where the
discrepancy comes in when people
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sometimes go to the NIV,
this is where they get confused.
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But I want them to
hear very, very, carefully,
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because while the NIV
is not a translation that
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I use as an authoritative, I
don't use it as my main Bible.
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But once in a while,
there will be passage
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that I would read there, that
could say something clearly.
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But in many cases I
don't necessarily use the NIV.
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And here's the reason
because unless you are versed
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in scripture,
you can get confused
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by this particular verse.
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Now this is the NIV Exodus 20:8:
00:23:34.22\00:23:37.03
"Remember the Sabbath
day by keeping it holy,
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definitive, Six
days you shall labor,
00:23:41.87\00:23:45.38
and do all your work.
00:23:45.39\00:23:46.67
But the seventh day,
and here's the discrepancy
00:23:46.68\00:23:50.13
that you'll get thrown
by, but the seventh day
00:23:50.14\00:23:52.82
is a Sabbath to
the Lord your God."
00:23:52.83\00:23:56.76
Now notice this, on it
you shall not do any work,
00:23:56.77\00:24:02.15
neither you nor your
son, nor your daughter.
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It goes to that, verse 11,
00:24:04.01\00:24:06.72
"For in six days the
Lord made the heavens
00:24:06.73\00:24:09.13
and the earth, and the
sea and all those in them,
00:24:09.14\00:24:11.40
but He rested
on the seventh day:
00:24:11.41\00:24:13.86
therefore the Lord
blessed the Sabbath day,
00:24:13.87\00:24:16.78
and made it holy."
00:24:16.79\00:24:18.23
Okay, the rest it
all comes into play,
00:24:18.24\00:24:20.43
yeah the rest of it is fine.
00:24:20.44\00:24:21.50
But here's where
people get thrown.
00:24:21.51\00:24:23.58
But the Sabbath day
is a Sabbath to the Lord.
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And friends you may... you
may not see the picture there,
00:24:27.66\00:24:30.57
but the seventh day is
a Sabbath day to the Lord.
00:24:30.58\00:24:34.26
It is the only day God blessed,
00:24:34.86\00:24:37.61
but when you look
at the word Sabbath,
00:24:37.62\00:24:39.33
that's why in Colossians,
notice when John read
00:24:39.34\00:24:42.27
in verse 16,
Colossians 2:16: it says,
00:24:42.28\00:24:45.60
new moon or
Sabbath days, plural.
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So there were many Sabbaths
talked about in the Bible.
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And I think,
just to say something,
00:24:52.27\00:24:54.44
I think the NIV writers weren't
intentionally doing that. No.
00:24:54.45\00:24:57.77
I think, it's clear, and
it is true that a seventh day
00:24:57.78\00:25:00.88
is a Sabbath.
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Right.
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But the emphasis when
it is not using the seems
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to take away from it
being the Lord's Day,
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rather than
simply a day to the Lord.
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And that's the point
that we want to make,
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that the Sabbath here,
the seventh day is actually
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the Lord's Day.
00:25:16.23\00:25:18.00
That's the clear,
it belongs to Him,
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we cannot change it
or we cannot alter it.
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Yeah, that is in fact the
real problem with verse 10
00:25:22.14\00:25:26.29
in the NIV of Exodus 20 verse 8.
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Because when you read
the other translations,
00:25:28.40\00:25:30.05
and when you read
the actual Hebrew,
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it is saying that the
seventh day is the Sabbath
00:25:33.06\00:25:35.79
of the Lord, your God.
00:25:35.80\00:25:37.21
The reason why that is
very slippery is because
00:25:37.22\00:25:42.21
on that verse alone
people will say, okay,
00:25:42.22\00:25:45.41
well, then I can pick
a Sabbath to the Lord,
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since there are many,
00:25:47.47\00:25:48.55
I could pick one
and observe that.
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So you have terms
nowadays like well,
00:25:51.38\00:25:52.96
Sunday is my Sabbath,
and you can really stretch it
00:25:52.97\00:25:55.75
and say, somebody
may Friday as my Sabbath
00:25:55.76\00:25:57.96
as the Muslims honor Friday.
00:25:57.97\00:25:59.71
And you know, you
can go on from there.
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So they'll say,
I'll have my Sabbath,
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you have your
Sabbath, and they would base it
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primarily on
that verse, verse 10.
00:26:06.14\00:26:09.21
But understand what
they mean.....understand what
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that verse is meaning,
is...is the key rather than
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tripping over it less
understand what it means.
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Go with me quickly
to Leviticus chapter 23
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Leviticus chapter 23.
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Because we see now
all these special days.
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Feasts and festivals
that Colossians 2 says,
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and the reason why
you read Colossians 2:16
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the word Sabbath is small
is because it is not referring
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to the weekly
Sabbath, it is not referring to
00:26:34.64\00:26:36.38
the seventh day of the week.
00:26:36.39\00:26:37.75
It's referring to
festivals and feasts.
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That's what's referred
to there in Colossians 2:16:
00:26:40.05\00:26:43.02
New moon Sabbath days,
the word Sabbath is small s.
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And in Colossians, I'm
in Leviticus chapter 23:
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we have first of
all weekly Sabbath is
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talked about in
verse 1 to verse 3.
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You see, but notice
how it reads, six days,
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look at verse three
"Six days shall work be done,
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but the seventh day is
a Sabbath of solemn rest,
00:27:05.40\00:27:08.70
a holy convocation.
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You shall do no work on
it, it is the Sabbath of the
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Lord in all your dwellings.
00:27:14.78\00:27:16.49
See notice how the
writer of Leviticus Moses leads
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right into this.
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Yes, he says, it's a
Sabbath, but it's the Sabbath.
00:27:20.70\00:27:24.42
Exactly. He uses both there.
00:27:24.43\00:27:26.17
That's right, he says
it's one of them but this one
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is the Sabbath of the
Lord in all your dwellings,
00:27:29.28\00:27:31.77
no matter where you
are, this is the Sabbath.
00:27:31.78\00:27:33.93
But then he goes on to
break down other ones like
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for example in
verse, in verse 4,
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he talks about the
Passover, he ends in verse 5,
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it is the Lord's Passover,
that's another Sabbath.
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And then the feast
of unleavened bread,
00:27:46.69\00:27:48.72
in verse 6 to verse
8, in verse 8, he says,
00:27:48.73\00:27:49.82
"the seventh day
shall be a holy convocation,
00:27:49.83\00:27:53.72
you shall do no
customary work on it."
00:27:53.73\00:27:56.25
But notice what he's
talking about look at,
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look at, it says,
verse 6, "and on the 15th day
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"of the same month is the feast
of unleavened bread to the Lord.
00:28:01.59\00:28:04.51
"Seven days you must
eat unleavened bread.
00:28:04.52\00:28:08.19
"On the first day you
shall have a holy convocation.
00:28:08.20\00:28:11.46
"But you shall proceed,
but you shall offer an offering
00:28:12.14\00:28:15.82
"made by the fire to
the Lord for seven days.
00:28:15.83\00:28:18.52
The seventh day
shall be holy convocation."
00:28:19.15\00:28:21.36
And this sense, John,
he's talking about concurrent.
00:28:21.37\00:28:24.27
Right. You start today
on Tuesday, count seven days
00:28:24.28\00:28:26.98
later when you get to
that one that's gonna be
00:28:26.99\00:28:29.44
a holy convocation.
00:28:29.45\00:28:32.94
He's now referring to the weekly
cycle of the Sabbath. Right.
00:28:32.95\00:28:33.92
See, so and he even
refers to, on the 15th day,
00:28:33.93\00:28:36.33
you start there go seven
days ahead and you'll discover
00:28:36.34\00:28:39.73
that...that's
the unleavened bread.
00:28:39.74\00:28:42.04
And then you find the
feast of first fruits starting
00:28:42.05\00:28:45.21
from verse 9 all the way down,
all the way down to verse 14.
00:28:45.22\00:28:52.13
Then you have the
feast of Pentecost.
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Notice this, look at verse
15 of Leviticus chapter 23.
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"And you shall count
for yourselves from the day
00:28:58.79\00:29:02.23
"after the Sabbath,
that's the week of the Sabbath,
00:29:02.24\00:29:05.11
"from the day you brought
the sheaf of the wave offering,
00:29:05.12\00:29:08.65
seven Sabbath
shall be completed.
00:29:08.66\00:29:12.12
"Count 50 days to the day
after the seventh Sabbath,
00:29:12.83\00:29:16.12
"then you shall offer a
new grain offering to the Lord,
00:29:16.13\00:29:19.52
"and that's and that's
what Pentecost came from.
00:29:19.53\00:29:22.16
And verse 21 it says,
it's a holy convocation,
00:29:22.17\00:29:24.65
and once again no customary work
00:29:24.66\00:29:26.53
should be done on that day.
00:29:26.54\00:29:27.81
But then you have the feasts
of trumpets in verse 23 to 25,
00:29:27.82\00:29:31.09
the day of the atonement
verse 28 down to verse 32.
00:29:31.42\00:29:34.46
And notice what he says
in verse 32, once again,
00:29:34.47\00:29:38.29
"it shall be to you a
Sabbath of solemn rest,
00:29:38.91\00:29:41.73
notice the small s there,
you shall afflict your souls on
00:29:41.74\00:29:45.62
the ninth day of the
month that evening from
00:29:45.63\00:29:48.43
evening to evening you
shall celebrate the Sabbath."
00:29:48.44\00:29:52.77
But then now goes to
the feast of Tabernacles,
00:29:52.78\00:29:55.57
notice, how he's making this
all, all these special feasts,
00:29:55.58\00:29:58.15
and in each of them you'll find
the words Sabbaths interwoven.
00:29:58.16\00:30:02.15
Now the feast of
Tabernacles, it talks about,
00:30:02.16\00:30:05.59
look at verse 36 well verse 35,
00:30:05.60\00:30:08.54
"on the first day there
shall be a holy convocation,
00:30:09.92\00:30:12.79
"you shall do no customary work,
00:30:12.80\00:30:14.34
"for seven days, you
shall offer an offering made by
00:30:14.35\00:30:17.19
"fire to the
Lord, on the eighth day,
00:30:17.20\00:30:19.07
you shall have
the holy convocation."
00:30:19.08\00:30:20.70
And going on further the verse,
00:30:21.33\00:30:22.57
"it is the secret
assembly and you shall do
00:30:22.58\00:30:24.64
"no customary work
on this, and it says,
00:30:24.65\00:30:27.12
"these are the
feasts verse 37 of the Lord
00:30:27.13\00:30:29.35
which you shall proclaim
to be a holy convocations."
00:30:29.36\00:30:33.20
But look at verse 38,
and here's where we are
00:30:33.21\00:30:35.81
going to wind it up, he says,
00:30:35.82\00:30:37.59
"besides, the
Sabbaths of the Lord,
00:30:37.60\00:30:40.43
"besides your gifts,
besides all your vows
00:30:41.11\00:30:44.32
"and besides all
your free will offerings
00:30:44.33\00:30:46.38
which you give to the Lord."
00:30:46.39\00:30:47.79
Also on the 15th day
of the seventh month.
00:30:47.80\00:30:50.38
And then he goes, in
the middle of that verse,
00:30:50.39\00:30:52.77
"you shall keep the feast,
of the Lord for seven days,
00:30:54.29\00:30:56.81
"on the first day there
shall be a Sabbath rest,
00:30:56.82\00:30:59.57
on the eight
day a Sabbath rest."
00:30:59.58\00:31:02.11
So when you
begin to look at that,
00:31:02.12\00:31:03.49
truly there are many
Sabbaths talked about.
00:31:03.50\00:31:05.68
But when Jesus died,
all of these the Pentecost,
00:31:06.64\00:31:11.24
the trumpets,
the Day of Atonement,
00:31:11.25\00:31:12.75
the feast of Tabernacles,
all of these pointed to
00:31:12.76\00:31:15.66
an aspect of the work
that Jesus was going to do.
00:31:15.67\00:31:18.47
And all of these that
were carried out in the temple
00:31:18.48\00:31:20.76
services that came to an
end of the coming of Christ...
00:31:20.77\00:31:23.26
at the first advent of Christ
meaning at the death of Christ.
00:31:23.27\00:31:26.38
After His first advent.
00:31:26.39\00:31:28.06
But do we now still talk
about the Day of Atonement?
00:31:28.87\00:31:31.06
Yes, we dowe are living in the
00:31:31.68\00:31:33.42
anti-typical day
of the atonement,
00:31:33.43\00:31:34.79
we are living in the time
where the sins of the God's
00:31:34.80\00:31:36.54
people are being cleansed,
we are living during that time.
00:31:36.55\00:31:39.32
The meaning of the feast
continued to have an impact,
00:31:39.33\00:31:43.81
an application in
life that we live today.
00:31:43.82\00:31:45.91
Not that we observe
them as the Israelites did,
00:31:45.92\00:31:49.56
but they do have meaning in
the overall plan of salvation.
00:31:49.57\00:31:53.54
Right, so that was
the type back then,
00:31:53.55\00:31:55.49
now there is an antitype.
00:31:55.50\00:31:57.12
Does the feasts of trumpets
have any significance today?
00:31:57.86\00:32:00.21
Of course, it does, not
that we observe the feasts
00:32:00.22\00:32:02.94
of the trumpets
like they did of old.
00:32:02.95\00:32:04.44
But now what is the...
what is the trumpets today?
00:32:04.45\00:32:07.38
Isaiah 58 verse 1,
00:32:07.39\00:32:08.67
lift up your
voice like a trumpet.
00:32:08.68\00:32:11.11
Show my people their
transgressions and the
00:32:11.81\00:32:13.56
house of Jacobs their
sins, that's exactly what the
00:32:13.57\00:32:15.88
trumpets were used for.
00:32:15.89\00:32:17.08
To blow ten days before
the Day of Atonement services,
00:32:17.09\00:32:20.64
letting the people know
that soon they will be under
00:32:20.65\00:32:23.28
God's judgment, if they don't
have their sins atoned for.
00:32:23.29\00:32:26.34
So there's a lot of
afterward application,
00:32:26.35\00:32:28.69
and so people ask
the bottom question,
00:32:28.70\00:32:30.52
now here's the bottom
line to this whole thing.
00:32:30.53\00:32:32.09
Shall we observe the
feasts that the Jews observed?
00:32:32.79\00:32:36.13
The answer is no, do they
have some antitypical semblance?
00:32:36.14\00:32:40.86
Yes, they do.
00:32:40.87\00:32:41.91
But what about the seventh
day Sabbath is that antitypical?
00:32:41.92\00:32:46.09
No, that's just as it
was from the book of Genesis
00:32:46.10\00:32:49.43
as it is going to be throughout
time and also in eternity.
00:32:49.44\00:32:53.39
The seventh day Sabbath
rest was added before sin
00:32:53.40\00:32:56.65
entered into the
world, that hasn't changed.
00:32:56.66\00:32:58.86
Thank you so much
for that question.
00:32:58.87\00:33:00.59
We have covered quite a bit,
00:33:00.60\00:33:01.67
now if we any challenges
on what we just talked about,
00:33:01.68\00:33:04.18
if you are recording this,
00:33:04.19\00:33:05.69
you can rewind it
and listen to it again.
00:33:05.70\00:33:07.50
Okay, you know it's
so fun to talk about
00:33:07.51\00:33:10.48
all these different topics,
and when we do get into it
00:33:10.49\00:33:12.18
and it's just wonderful
the Lord has given us His word,
00:33:12.19\00:33:17.32
it's clear. I mean, it's, if
we didn't had the word of God,
00:33:17.33\00:33:21.57
how we'll get to know Him?
00:33:21.58\00:33:22.57
How we get to know His truth?
00:33:22.58\00:33:23.64
How we know what He
would like us to be in our
00:33:23.65\00:33:27.05
life of service to Him so....
00:33:27.06\00:33:28.43
And you know, John, I
didn't even get into this
00:33:28.44\00:33:30.03
sabbatical years, I didn't
even get into the jubilee,
00:33:30.04\00:33:33.17
didn't even get to that yet.
00:33:33.18\00:33:34.52
The Jubilee
Sabbath, and all that.
00:33:34.53\00:33:36.27
Didn't even get into that.
00:33:36.28\00:33:37.25
Well, that's a
big misunderstanding
00:33:37.26\00:33:38.23
because Moses law
encompassed all these
00:33:38.24\00:33:41.46
different areas.
00:33:41.47\00:33:42.50
That's right 640 laws
you know, and the law of God
00:33:42.51\00:33:45.88
is Ten Commandments,
that is the Decalogue.
00:33:45.89\00:33:48.23
And most, most don't realize
that they are two distinctively
00:33:48.24\00:33:53.03
different laws, that's right,
00:33:53.04\00:33:55.17
though they work in
harmony because the Law of Moses
00:33:55.18\00:33:58.22
really was given to the
Israelites and God's people
00:33:58.23\00:34:01.57
because of their
transgressions against
00:34:01.58\00:34:03.01
the Law of God. That's right.
00:34:03.02\00:34:05.15
So as you think about it
when you read the New Testament,
00:34:05.16\00:34:08.06
you got to be very
careful, that you are reading
00:34:08.07\00:34:10.44
about the right
law. That's right.
00:34:10.45\00:34:13.45
You know,
sometimes they throw in well,
00:34:13.46\00:34:15.54
see the law was done
away with, and this is what,
00:34:15.55\00:34:17.69
you know the Paul
says in his writings.
00:34:17.70\00:34:19.25
But I mean really what
he is talking about is the
00:34:19.26\00:34:21.68
fulfillment of the law,
ceremonial law of Moses and
00:34:21.69\00:34:25.17
those things that
pointed to Christ,
00:34:25.18\00:34:27.45
and were shadows of Him.
00:34:27.46\00:34:28.87
It wasn't talking
about the Decalogue.
00:34:28.88\00:34:30.70
Not at all.
00:34:30.71\00:34:31.68
So you got to be really
careful about how you read
00:34:31.69\00:34:33.50
the word of God,
that you are giving at
00:34:33.51\00:34:35.25
the biblical interpretation
not a private interpretation
00:34:35.26\00:34:39.06
going back to our
past. That's right.
00:34:39.07\00:34:40.24
So if you have any questions,
you want to send to us,
00:34:40.25\00:34:41.92
I know we kind of,
00:34:41.93\00:34:42.95
so to speak
wrangled your apple card,
00:34:44.64\00:34:47.75
send those questions
at housecalls@3abn.org
00:34:47.76\00:34:50.99
that's housecalls@3abn.org
that's a whole new phase John,
00:34:51.00\00:34:54.45
wrangled your apple card.
00:34:54.46\00:34:55.71
Anyway, if you want
to ask us any questions,
00:34:55.72\00:34:57.87
we'll appreciate
hearing from you.
00:34:57.88\00:34:59.30
Now our topic today is
power and purity, John.
00:34:59.31\00:35:02.71
And the Lord
wants us all to be pure,
00:35:02.72\00:35:07.34
but the reason why this
topic is so vitally important,
00:35:07.35\00:35:10.23
I think for at
least for two reasons,
00:35:10.24\00:35:11.82
one, people need to understand,
00:35:11.83\00:35:13.99
there's a transition between
who we are when we were born?
00:35:14.00\00:35:17.02
And who we can become in Christ?
00:35:17.03\00:35:18.75
And secondly there are
many Christians that have given
00:35:19.52\00:35:22.44
there lives to
Christ through baptism,
00:35:22.45\00:35:25.62
and don't even
know what happened.
00:35:25.63\00:35:27.58
Right. They don't
know what to expect,
00:35:27.59\00:35:29.90
they don't know
what the difference is,
00:35:29.91\00:35:32.24
and so this topic is
important to re-familiarize
00:35:32.25\00:35:34.83
those of you who
have been baptized,
00:35:34.84\00:35:37.00
either recently or for sometime.
00:35:37.01\00:35:39.07
And those of you who
are considering baptism,
00:35:39.08\00:35:41.70
we want you to know
how important it is.
00:35:41.71\00:35:44.04
It is just as
important as getting on
00:35:44.60\00:35:47.29
the airplane and getting home.
00:35:47.30\00:35:49.24
It's the difference between
standing there and looking at
00:35:49.86\00:35:52.08
the plane and
thinking you gonna go home.
00:35:52.09\00:35:53.72
And or getting on the airplane.
00:35:54.49\00:35:56.00
So let's talk about that.
00:35:56.01\00:35:56.99
You know, a quick story
here, there was the church that
00:35:57.00\00:36:01.85
I was involved with here
recently that there was a large,
00:36:01.86\00:36:06.88
or what you call it?
00:36:06.89\00:36:08.32
It was a reaping
series, like you should call it
00:36:08.33\00:36:10.83
an evangelistic series
and many came out to hear
00:36:10.84\00:36:13.01
the word of God
from night to night.
00:36:13.02\00:36:14.60
And at the end of
these 20 something nights,
00:36:14.61\00:36:18.18
over, probably 5 or 6
weeks, they had a baptism
00:36:18.19\00:36:22.81
and 50 plus
baptisms, praise the Lord.
00:36:22.82\00:36:26.04
Praise the Lord,
but what happened was,
00:36:26.05\00:36:28.75
and I arrived later
on, after those baptisms,
00:36:28.76\00:36:31.66
I arrived there we
found out and what I heard was
00:36:31.67\00:36:34.84
that many of those that
were baptized didn't realize
00:36:34.85\00:36:37.80
that they had become
members of the church.
00:36:37.81\00:36:39.42
That they were not just
being baptized as a confirmation
00:36:42.41\00:36:46.47
of what they heard was
true but they were baptized
00:36:46.48\00:36:50.33
into the body of Christ
and became one of His children
00:36:50.34\00:36:54.44
and one of His people
involved in the work of that
00:36:54.45\00:36:57.11
local church.
00:36:57.12\00:36:58.09
They did not realize
that, they had no idea that
00:36:58.10\00:37:01.27
one or two of them
said, no I don't want to be
00:37:01.28\00:37:03.32
part of the church,
00:37:03.33\00:37:04.30
I just want to be
baptized in the Christ,
00:37:04.31\00:37:05.52
and they didn't understand it.
00:37:05.53\00:37:06.50
And so I think it
is very important,
00:37:06.51\00:37:08.68
as you say to, to study baptism.
00:37:08.69\00:37:11.17
And what does it mean?
00:37:11.18\00:37:12.66
Yeah.
00:37:12.67\00:37:13.64
And how it affect
the believer because
00:37:13.65\00:37:14.99
when you are baptized, you
are baptized into Christ body
00:37:15.00\00:37:18.66
His people, that's
right, to be involved with him,
00:37:18.67\00:37:21.64
to work with him, for
the preparation of souls
00:37:21.65\00:37:25.25
to meet the
Lord when He returns.
00:37:25.26\00:37:26.64
That's right.
00:37:26.65\00:37:27.62
I have another example,
that's the very good the way
00:37:27.63\00:37:29.60
that people think
about, some people say,
00:37:29.61\00:37:31.50
well, I don't want
to get baptized....
00:37:31.51\00:37:32.49
I don't want to join a church,
00:37:32.50\00:37:33.73
I just want to get
baptized into Jesus.
00:37:33.74\00:37:37.01
It's like going to
the airport and saying,
00:37:37.38\00:37:38.49
I'm not getting on that
plane with all those people,
00:37:38.50\00:37:41.16
I just want to get home.
00:37:42.33\00:37:43.30
I am not getting on that plane,
00:37:43.31\00:37:44.80
no matter what but I
just want to get home,
00:37:44.81\00:37:46.83
I got a ticket but it's just
I am not getting on that plane.
00:37:46.84\00:37:49.83
And this the very
one they need to get on.
00:37:49.84\00:37:51.76
Right.
00:37:51.77\00:37:52.74
Can you get all the
people off the plane,
00:37:52.75\00:37:53.74
let me go and come back
and get them and take them?
00:37:53.75\00:37:55.78
Yeah, and that out is. Exactly.
00:37:55.79\00:37:57.95
And some people are like
singular football team members,
00:37:57.96\00:38:00.31
they want to be on the...
00:38:00.32\00:38:01.29
they want to be on
the team by themselves,
00:38:01.30\00:38:02.48
you know what,
you'll learn any sport,
00:38:02.49\00:38:04.79
any arena of life, you
can have a bakery shop,
00:38:04.80\00:38:09.03
and nobody comes in
because you want a bakery shop,
00:38:09.04\00:38:11.52
but you don't want
anybody in there to mess it up.
00:38:11.53\00:38:13.28
You can build the house
and get white carpeting,
00:38:13.29\00:38:15.97
but you don't
want anyone to visit
00:38:15.98\00:38:17.27
because they may dirty it up.
00:38:17.28\00:38:18.59
And it sounds ridiculous
00:38:18.60\00:38:20.41
but many people want
to be Christians isolated
00:38:20.42\00:38:23.47
almost like monks up
in Shangri-La somewhere,
00:38:23.48\00:38:26.61
isolated waiting
for Jesus to come.
00:38:26.62\00:38:28.60
Baptism is a whole
lot more than that.
00:38:28.61\00:38:30.79
So what I like to
begin with, is first,
00:38:30.80\00:38:33.44
the point that you just made,
00:38:33.45\00:38:35.08
let's go the Acts
chapter 2 verse 47 and...
00:38:35.09\00:38:37.79
and I preface
all that by saying,
00:38:37.80\00:38:39.62
what we have to keep in mind
is baptism is a second chance
00:38:39.63\00:38:42.97
to do what we could not
do under our own strength
00:38:42.98\00:38:47.57
and what we could
not do without Christ.
00:38:47.58\00:38:50.99
Baptism now puts up us
where it can't be accomplished
00:38:51.00\00:38:54.44
but something happens in
baptism and after this, John,
00:38:54.45\00:38:58.06
we gonna go to Romans chapter 6
00:38:58.07\00:39:00.70
and actually
walk through baptism
00:39:00.71\00:39:02.03
and we gonna read that
together and walk through it.
00:39:02.04\00:39:04.40
So people could know when you
baptize what actually happens
00:39:04.41\00:39:07.98
that day outside of
going into the baptismal water.
00:39:07.99\00:39:11.48
Read Acts 2
verse 47 for us, John,
00:39:11.49\00:39:14.44
if you have that, this
is the answer for those
00:39:14.45\00:39:17.91
who believe that they don't
need to be a part of a church,
00:39:17.92\00:39:20.64
notice what the Bible says.
00:39:20.65\00:39:22.38
Act 2:47, I
should probably read 46
00:39:23.52\00:39:27.68
it falls right along this,
00:39:27.69\00:39:28.71
"So, continuing daily
with one accord in the temple,
00:39:28.72\00:39:31.37
and breaking bread
from house to house,
00:39:31.38\00:39:33.40
they ate their food
00:39:33.41\00:39:34.38
with gladness and
simplicity of heart.
00:39:34.39\00:39:36.15
Praising God, and having
favor with all the people.
00:39:36.16\00:39:39.07
And the Lord added to the church
00:39:39.08\00:39:41.40
daily those who
were being saved."
00:39:41.41\00:39:43.99
What did he add though, John?
00:39:44.00\00:39:45.47
He add them to the church,
00:39:45.48\00:39:46.59
he didn't have them to the roll,
00:39:46.60\00:39:48.10
he added them to the church.
00:39:49.23\00:39:50.92
Now why the church?
00:39:52.07\00:39:53.37
Because when Jesus said,
00:39:53.38\00:39:55.69
upon this rock I build my church
00:39:55.70\00:39:58.54
and the gates of hell
will not prevail against it
00:39:58.55\00:40:01.17
the only thing that can
keep you from being destroyed
00:40:01.18\00:40:04.37
or from being run over,
00:40:04.38\00:40:06.50
or being flattened
out, or being taken out,
00:40:06.51\00:40:09.84
or being annihilated,
is if you are established
00:40:09.85\00:40:12.95
on that rock, Christ Jesus,
00:40:12.96\00:40:16.22
so being added to the church
00:40:16.23\00:40:17.81
is not being
added to just a building
00:40:17.82\00:40:20.49
or a congregation of
people of different challenges,
00:40:20.50\00:40:23.57
of different walks of life.
00:40:23.58\00:40:24.69
But it's being
established on the rock,
00:40:24.70\00:40:26.93
Christ Jesus and notice
why He added them there,
00:40:26.94\00:40:29.46
the Lord added to the
church, to the church daily,
00:40:29.47\00:40:32.66
those who were being,
00:40:32.67\00:40:34.05
I hope you get
that, yeah, being saved.
00:40:34.06\00:40:37.97
Which is evidenced
by baptism, by baptism.
00:40:37.98\00:40:42.09
You know, and I
think there's a reason
00:40:42.10\00:40:44.56
why the Lord wants us to
be the part of the church?
00:40:44.57\00:40:47.36
And He tied closely,
00:40:47.37\00:40:48.66
basically His body Christ
is the head we are the body,
00:40:48.67\00:40:52.31
the different parts,
and how we work together
00:40:52.32\00:40:53.88
and how the gifts kind of
come together in a unified work.
00:40:53.89\00:40:57.49
And there's a reason for
that, can you imagine John?
00:40:57.50\00:41:01.15
Wanting to be not
involved with the body,
00:41:02.47\00:41:05.58
but to be saved,
but to be in heaven.
00:41:05.59\00:41:07.35
And then getting to heaven,
00:41:07.36\00:41:08.62
and then living in
your house as a hermit?
00:41:08.63\00:41:10.44
Because in heaven,
it's about fellowship,
00:41:12.23\00:41:15.04
it's about relationships,
it's about being with Christ,
00:41:16.14\00:41:18.73
and His people and
loving your neighbor
00:41:18.74\00:41:21.48
and getting to know him or her,
00:41:21.49\00:41:23.20
and living with
them throughout eternity.
00:41:23.21\00:41:25.12
Can you imagine, if
you want to go to heaven,
00:41:25.13\00:41:27.19
and all you wanted to do
is just live in your house
00:41:27.20\00:41:28.96
as a hermit?
00:41:28.97\00:41:29.94
That's not the Lord's plan,
the Lord wants to change us
00:41:30.52\00:41:34.09
and to make us an
individual who loves people,
00:41:34.10\00:41:37.75
who loves him, and who
loves people around them.
00:41:37.76\00:41:40.06
And I think part of
that includes getting to know
00:41:40.07\00:41:42.99
and He believes
relationships with His people,
00:41:43.00\00:41:45.08
His children, all His one
family in the body of Christ.
00:41:45.09\00:41:48.53
That's right.
00:41:48.54\00:41:49.51
And so, you have a family,
00:41:49.52\00:41:52.82
you have nieces and
nephews, okay brother, sister.
00:41:52.83\00:41:56.22
I have a
brother, I have a sister,
00:41:56.23\00:41:58.26
I have nephews
on my brother side,
00:41:58.27\00:42:00.96
nieces on my sister's side,
00:42:00.97\00:42:01.96
I don't have any
children, that's all right.
00:42:01.97\00:42:03.90
Many families have conflicts,
00:42:03.91\00:42:08.14
and strives and
points of growth and love,
00:42:08.15\00:42:12.87
and connection, but it
all happens in the family.
00:42:12.88\00:42:15.85
It's all a part of that.
00:42:17.12\00:42:18.35
And when the
Lord says, Act 2:47:
00:42:18.36\00:42:20.52
those who are being
saved, you have to keep in mind,
00:42:20.53\00:42:23.16
baptism is salvation,
00:42:23.17\00:42:27.72
and it leads you
into the relationship
00:42:27.73\00:42:29.86
of being saved to be saved.
00:42:29.87\00:42:34.81
Let me say that
again, baptism is salvation,
00:42:34.82\00:42:37.93
it leads you into the
walk where you are being saved
00:42:37.94\00:42:41.84
so that you will be saved.
00:42:41.85\00:42:44.28
Baptism is salvation
from the penalty of sin.
00:42:44.29\00:42:48.66
When you enter the
church and walk with Christ to
00:42:48.67\00:42:51.83
salvation from the
power of the sin everyday.
00:42:51.84\00:42:55.33
And then finally
when your are glorified
00:42:55.34\00:42:58.67
and sealed in the
righteousness of Jesus,
00:42:58.68\00:43:02.05
you are saved from
the presence of sin.
00:43:02.06\00:43:04.79
From the
penalty, from the power,
00:43:04.80\00:43:07.02
from the presence of sin.
00:43:07.03\00:43:08.40
Instantly, penalty of sin,
00:43:08.41\00:43:10.66
daily power of sin,
eternally presence of sin.
00:43:10.67\00:43:15.16
Let's start with
Romans 6 and John
00:43:15.17\00:43:16.79
I want you to go through
that and brief that down for us,
00:43:16.80\00:43:19.40
because this is probably to me
00:43:19.41\00:43:21.47
one of the most
direct explanations
00:43:21.48\00:43:24.69
of what exactly happens
when a person is baptized?
00:43:24.70\00:43:27.56
Yeah, because the
progression of salvation,
00:43:27.57\00:43:30.89
that you talked about
there, from the penalty,
00:43:30.90\00:43:35.82
from the power, and
from the presence of sin.
00:43:35.83\00:43:38.95
We're going to see
launched here in Roman 6,
00:43:38.96\00:43:42.11
very quickly, that's
right, with this question.
00:43:42.12\00:43:44.54
"What shall we save and
shall we continue to sin
00:43:44.55\00:43:47.45
so that the grace may abound."
00:43:47.46\00:43:48.56
And of course was the
answer by Paul, verse 2
00:43:50.16\00:43:52.65
"certainly not,
exactly, did he....
00:43:52.66\00:43:55.74
how shall we who died a
sin lived any longer in it?"
00:43:55.75\00:43:59.14
Okay, so look at that
John, read that again,
00:43:59.15\00:44:01.22
what's the very first
thing that baptism is?
00:44:01.23\00:44:03.41
The very first thing is being
saved from the penalty of sin.
00:44:04.50\00:44:07.48
That's right, and
look at the verse 2,
00:44:07.49\00:44:09.03
what's the word in verse 2
00:44:09.04\00:44:10.16
that tells us about the
fact that we....are baptized,
00:44:10.17\00:44:13.49
how shall we
who...died to sin, died to sin,
00:44:13.50\00:44:17.46
that's what he's going
to springboard out of here.
00:44:17.47\00:44:20.02
That's right.
00:44:20.03\00:44:21.00
What is the
evidence that you have given
00:44:21.01\00:44:23.66
to those around you
that you have died to sin?
00:44:23.67\00:44:26.92
That you put the
old life behind you,
00:44:26.93\00:44:29.43
and you gonna walk
in the newness of life,
00:44:29.44\00:44:32.04
that's right, in Christ.
00:44:32.05\00:44:33.20
And we gonna go
that, we gonna stop it,
00:44:33.21\00:44:35.00
we gonna stop it, make
certain points along the way.
00:44:35.01\00:44:37.39
The first thing of
baptism is, is death to sin.
00:44:37.40\00:44:41.03
Yeah. Now what's the option?
00:44:41.04\00:44:43.02
The option is death in sin,
00:44:43.03\00:44:45.18
see, Jesus came to save
His people from their sin,
00:44:46.42\00:44:49.76
Matthew 1 verse 21.
00:44:49.77\00:44:51.47
Call His name Jesus,
00:44:51.48\00:44:52.85
He shall save His
people from their sin.
00:44:52.86\00:44:55.13
Okay, that's what
baptism is all about,
00:44:55.14\00:44:57.35
when Jesus got baptized,
00:44:57.36\00:44:59.06
He didn't get baptized
to be saved from His sin,
00:44:59.07\00:45:02.18
He got baptized
to make a way for us
00:45:02.19\00:45:04.29
to be saved from
our sin, you see.
00:45:04.30\00:45:06.82
So the first thing that
baptism is, is death too sin.
00:45:06.83\00:45:11.69
Not death in sin that
man is being put to death.
00:45:11.70\00:45:17.70
That's why, I
just want to go ahead,
00:45:17.71\00:45:19.87
and let's just
dispel the various myths
00:45:19.88\00:45:23.26
about the kinds of baptism.
00:45:23.27\00:45:24.99
Because when you go
to a cemetery, John,
00:45:25.00\00:45:27.01
they don't...they don't sprinkle
rose petals on the dead person,
00:45:27.02\00:45:31.44
and consider him baptize.
00:45:31.45\00:45:32.68
They don't pour
oil on that person
00:45:32.69\00:45:36.51
and consider
that person baptized.
00:45:36.52\00:45:38.04
They don't sprinkle them,
they don't pour wine on them,
00:45:38.05\00:45:41.31
they don't call the guy that,
00:45:41.32\00:45:43.35
they don't call the
dead person and say,
00:45:43.36\00:45:45.12
by the way, you're dead.
00:45:45.13\00:45:47.71
They don't send
them a letter in the mail
00:45:47.72\00:45:49.99
telling them that they are dead.
00:45:50.00\00:45:51.31
There's only
one way to be buried
00:45:51.32\00:45:54.24
and when you go to the cemetery,
00:45:54.25\00:45:55.24
at least here in
America, what do they do?
00:45:55.25\00:45:57.60
You go down.
00:45:57.61\00:45:59.09
You're six feet under.
00:45:59.10\00:46:02.56
Now we know that
in the Caribbean,
00:46:02.57\00:46:04.44
my mom is buried
in the Virgin Islands,
00:46:05.46\00:46:07.97
and because of the water table,
00:46:07.98\00:46:09.69
you know, you can't put
them underground too far
00:46:09.70\00:46:13.25
because it is pretty
saturated in those islands.
00:46:13.26\00:46:15.91
So they bury
them above the ground
00:46:15.92\00:46:17.71
but they bury them inside
something, they are sealed in.
00:46:17.72\00:46:20.73
So the first thing that
baptism is death, death to sin.
00:46:20.74\00:46:24.52
Go to the next level for us.
00:46:24.53\00:46:26.42
The next verses 3 and 4:
00:46:28.35\00:46:30.26
Yeah.
00:46:30.27\00:46:31.31
"Oh do you not know that
as many of us as were baptized
00:46:31.32\00:46:35.30
into Christ Jesus were
baptized into His death.
00:46:35.31\00:46:39.16
Okay.
00:46:39.17\00:46:40.14
Therefore we were buried with
Him through baptism into death.
00:46:40.15\00:46:44.42
That just as Christ
was raised from the dead
00:46:44.43\00:46:48.71
by the glory of the Father
00:46:48.72\00:46:50.08
even so we also should
walk in newness of life.
00:46:50.09\00:46:54.00
Notice they are buried,
now there's only one definition
00:46:54.01\00:46:58.15
of buried and that is
to go down in to something.
00:46:58.16\00:47:01.46
That's right. To be covered,
00:47:01.47\00:47:02.98
and it says, of
course, that Christ,
00:47:02.99\00:47:06.38
that is we're raised
into the newness of life.
00:47:06.39\00:47:08.99
There is only one definition
of raised that you come up,
00:47:09.00\00:47:12.29
so to come up
you've got to go down.
00:47:12.30\00:47:14.78
And that's the
important point about baptism,
00:47:14.79\00:47:17.13
to have a new life in Christ,
00:47:17.14\00:47:19.17
you have to put
the old life away.
00:47:19.18\00:47:21.51
You've got to bury it,
that old man's got to die.
00:47:21.52\00:47:24.29
That's right.
00:47:24.30\00:47:25.27
Then you can take on Christ.
00:47:25.53\00:47:27.08
Who puts that newness
of life with in you so that
00:47:27.09\00:47:29.80
from that day forward
you can live in the power
00:47:29.81\00:47:32.95
of the resurrection
that Christ has given to us.
00:47:32.96\00:47:36.42
Thank you John, that
shows us the utter futility
00:47:36.43\00:47:40.06
of just going to church
and sitting in the building.
00:47:40.07\00:47:43.75
It's like going
to the funeral parlor
00:47:43.76\00:47:45.73
and sitting in the room
where all the caskets are,
00:47:45.74\00:47:49.62
and you think you are
dead. You are not dead.
00:47:49.63\00:47:51.94
When you die you, I
don't say you know it,
00:47:51.95\00:47:55.14
but when you die it
will be the final act
00:47:55.15\00:47:58.06
before in the sense of
the new life in Christ.
00:47:58.07\00:48:01.12
Death is the final act
before the new life begins.
00:48:01.13\00:48:05.27
It's the final act
before the new life begins,
00:48:05.28\00:48:07.86
because you are
putting to death.
00:48:07.87\00:48:09.58
And so, so don't
get... don't get confused
00:48:09.59\00:48:14.33
that because you are
sitting in a building
00:48:14.34\00:48:15.90
or because you've been going
to that church for a long time,
00:48:15.91\00:48:19.45
that you are in Christ.
00:48:19.46\00:48:20.79
According to this
you are in the building,
00:48:20.80\00:48:23.48
you maybe eating right,
you maybe dressing right,
00:48:23.49\00:48:26.58
you maybe
singing the right songs.
00:48:26.59\00:48:28.87
But you haven't yet died.
00:48:28.88\00:48:31.11
Yeah, and it doesn't
matter what church you're in.
00:48:31.12\00:48:33.62
That's right.
00:48:33.63\00:48:34.60
I mean the
churches I've pastored,
00:48:34.61\00:48:35.60
I find that the wheat
and the tares grow together.
00:48:35.61\00:48:39.12
Those that are not
in Christ are there,
00:48:39.13\00:48:40.97
those are in Christ
are there, that's right.
00:48:40.98\00:48:43.45
And that's why
there's a conflict
00:48:43.46\00:48:44.80
a lot of times, there
isn't Christ like behavior
00:48:44.81\00:48:47.95
in the way they interact,
in the way they work together.
00:48:47.96\00:48:49.58
The body isn't functioning
well together because there are
00:48:49.59\00:48:52.75
many who have not
died to their old man.
00:48:52.76\00:48:54.66
or they have been baptized.
00:48:54.67\00:48:55.80
But they don't understand
what truly being baptized
00:48:56.36\00:48:58.67
or baptized truly means
to their spiritual life?
00:48:58.68\00:49:02.44
You know we could look
behind this spiritual curtain
00:49:02.45\00:49:04.13
and see this,
John, and you know like,
00:49:04.14\00:49:05.86
whenever auto
shows, one thing I missed
00:49:05.87\00:49:07.82
when I lived in California.
Around Thanksgiving each year,
00:49:07.83\00:49:10.42
we used to go the auto show
right there in Moscone Center,
00:49:10.43\00:49:12.70
it was always really good...
But here I'm in the MidWest
00:49:12.71\00:49:15.84
and you know
for whatever reason,
00:49:15.85\00:49:18.01
whenever the auto show
has happened in St Louis,
00:49:18.02\00:49:20.52
I was out of the country.
00:49:20.53\00:49:21.63
It was just two years in a row,
00:49:21.64\00:49:23.22
but my point is this,
if you go to a showroom,
00:49:23.23\00:49:26.70
a local car showroom
where new cars are displayed.
00:49:26.71\00:49:30.36
Just imagine
going into a showroom
00:49:30.37\00:49:32.18
and you see a
beat up, old dirty,
00:49:32.19\00:49:34.96
rusted car in the
middle of a showroom
00:49:34.97\00:49:38.12
where every other
car around it is just
00:49:38.13\00:49:39.77
brand spanking leather
smell that scent of new.
00:49:39.78\00:49:44.04
You thinking, and
nobody us saying anything.
00:49:44.05\00:49:48.40
And the bright lights are
running and spinning around
00:49:48.41\00:49:50.15
on that nice table?
00:49:50.16\00:49:51.22
Yeah, and there was what
on earth, and then....and then
00:49:51.23\00:49:56.38
there's a... and
the sales person says,
00:49:56.39\00:49:59.84
hey, make me an offer.
00:49:59.85\00:50:02.47
And then you
say, there is no way,
00:50:02.48\00:50:04.61
I want that car,
I'm here for a new car,
00:50:04.62\00:50:07.10
right. Now, no
honestly make me...
00:50:07.11\00:50:08.71
me...it's a car,
it's got four wheels,
00:50:08.72\00:50:10.25
it's got seats,
it's got a window,
00:50:10.26\00:50:11.65
forget about the
dents, ignore that.
00:50:11.66\00:50:13.81
Yeah.
00:50:13.82\00:50:14.79
That's like Christ
looking into His church,
00:50:14.80\00:50:17.67
and seeing it
filled with old, old cars,
00:50:19.03\00:50:22.44
and the people don't even know.
00:50:22.45\00:50:24.47
That they are
rusting away in sin,
00:50:24.48\00:50:27.84
they are falling apart in sin.
00:50:27.85\00:50:30.37
But they're just content
to be in the same showroom
00:50:30.38\00:50:34.32
as those who are new in Christ.
00:50:34.33\00:50:37.79
There's a very big
significant difference between
00:50:37.80\00:50:41.12
being in the same showroom
and being new in Christ.
00:50:41.13\00:50:45.00
Want you to
continue in that particular
00:50:45.01\00:50:46.73
because right now
so follow we gotten is
00:50:46.74\00:50:49.44
that a thought
come to your mind,
00:50:49.45\00:50:50.42
that you're looking
for something there John?
00:50:50.43\00:50:52.40
No, no, I am not,
my wheels are spinning
00:50:52.41\00:50:55.68
as they always are spinning.
00:50:55.69\00:50:57.00
Okay.
00:50:57.01\00:50:57.98
So what thought came to mind,
and let just give me the thought
00:50:57.99\00:51:02.35
Christ speaking
through His church
00:51:02.36\00:51:03.81
through one of
His apostles James.
00:51:03.82\00:51:08.99
James writes how the
garments are moth eaten,
00:51:09.00\00:51:12.06
they've got holes in them.
00:51:12.07\00:51:13.29
Oh yeah.
00:51:13.30\00:51:14.27
And he's taking to the
church, and he's encouraging
00:51:14.28\00:51:16.42
them to realize their condition.
00:51:16.43\00:51:18.32
And I think as
you are talking about
00:51:20.17\00:51:21.72
Christ looking at His
church, and seen the used cars.
00:51:21.73\00:51:23.98
The analogy in
the Bible is garments
00:51:23.99\00:51:27.27
that have holes in
them, marked eaten,
00:51:27.28\00:51:30.15
and its references
throughout scripture,
00:51:30.16\00:51:31.87
you see it over and
over again, the garment.
00:51:31.88\00:51:33.93
And the interesting
thing about the garment is that
00:51:33.94\00:51:36.86
when they came into the
church, the garment was perfect,
00:51:36.87\00:51:39.40
That's right.
00:51:39.41\00:51:40.57
Christ surrounded them with
His righteousness, His life.
00:51:40.58\00:51:44.14
And overtime, moth
began to eat the garment.
00:51:44.15\00:51:49.65
And what is it with moths,
you know you go in your closet,
00:51:49.66\00:51:51.80
you pullout your wool suit,
you haven't worn for a while
00:51:51.81\00:51:53.87
and you pulled it up.
00:51:53.88\00:51:54.97
And what's this
whole doing there
00:51:55.55\00:51:57.48
I mean, I've been
walking around this house,
00:51:57.49\00:51:59.69
I've been living from day to day
00:51:59.70\00:52:01.06
and I didn't know this
hole eating moth was in my suit,
00:52:01.07\00:52:04.88
or was eating away in my suit.
00:52:04.89\00:52:06.79
Sometimes, it so imperceptible,
we do not realize it,
00:52:06.80\00:52:10.53
until I believe one day
it become so full of holes
00:52:10.54\00:52:13.86
and so dilapidated,
and so falling apart.
00:52:13.87\00:52:16.34
That Christ righteousness
is no longer there.
00:52:16.35\00:52:19.16
Right.
00:52:19.17\00:52:20.14
That the
garments are no longer on,
00:52:20.15\00:52:21.21
and when the
bridegroom comes into
00:52:21.22\00:52:24.54
and inspects the
guests, and it looks around
00:52:24.55\00:52:26.89
and everybody got
there garments on.
00:52:26.90\00:52:28.12
But there is guy over there
in the corner as Matthew 22 says
00:52:28.13\00:52:30.96
who does not
have his garment on,
00:52:30.97\00:52:32.75
right, he got
there in the garment,
00:52:32.76\00:52:34.81
it's the only way to get in.
00:52:34.82\00:52:35.85
But he has no garment on,
00:52:35.86\00:52:37.97
they ask him
where's your garment?
00:52:37.98\00:52:40.23
And...and he says,
nothing, he's so speechless,
00:52:40.70\00:52:45.94
he can't even
realize, he doesn't eve realize
00:52:45.95\00:52:48.61
that he was naked.
00:52:48.62\00:52:49.59
That's right.
00:52:49.60\00:52:50.57
And I think in the church today
we find that there are so many
00:52:50.58\00:52:52.97
that don't even
realize but there garment
00:52:52.98\00:52:55.13
is being eaten away by the
world that cares of this life,
00:52:55.14\00:53:00.16
the things are
going on around them.
00:53:00.17\00:53:01.72
And they need Christ again,
they need that renewing again
00:53:01.73\00:53:06.88
the life of Christ to make
sure that His righteousness
00:53:06.89\00:53:09.11
is now surrounding them,
and the old life is dead again.
00:53:09.12\00:53:12.81
That's right, it's a
very good analogy because
00:53:12.82\00:53:14.81
it happens with you
knowing, and on that very note
00:53:14.82\00:53:17.70
I saw here two moths
yesterday, lying in the house,
00:53:17.71\00:53:20.68
and I thought, oh
no, where they are going?
00:53:20.69\00:53:25.22
So I like wool, yeah,
and they like wool too.
00:53:25.23\00:53:29.03
And I guess, we have
to talk about this one.
00:53:29.04\00:53:32.33
But the first two
things we pointed out
00:53:32.34\00:53:33.91
so far about baptism.
00:53:33.92\00:53:35.24
First of all baptism
is death, death to sin,
00:53:35.25\00:53:38.75
how could we verse 2,
00:53:38.76\00:53:40.55
who died to sin
live any longer in it.
00:53:40.93\00:53:45.00
Now you got to get
this, John, this is powerful,
00:53:45.59\00:53:48.76
if we've died how
could we live anymore?
00:53:48.77\00:53:51.76
How could we live
any longer in sin.
00:53:51.77\00:53:54.45
And I am going to
expand this, in order for us
00:53:54.46\00:53:57.01
to still be alive in this
world, we are physically alive.
00:53:57.02\00:54:01.09
But in whom are we alive?
00:54:01.81\00:54:03.65
Yeah, whose, whose is
motivating us in life as well?
00:54:04.80\00:54:10.77
What power? What source?
00:54:10.78\00:54:12.79
And...okay where's the
source of our power coming from?
00:54:12.80\00:54:15.33
Because I know
this, if I go the grave,
00:54:15.34\00:54:17.14
in order for that dead
person to leave when I leave,
00:54:17.15\00:54:20.47
they have to get a resurrection,
00:54:20.48\00:54:22.71
they have to be
resurrected to life.
00:54:22.72\00:54:24.40
They have to be
brought back to life again.
00:54:24.41\00:54:26.64
Once the person dies, if they
hope to live anymore past that,
00:54:26.65\00:54:30.43
the source of life has to
come from some place else,
00:54:30.44\00:54:33.23
it cannot come from them.
00:54:33.24\00:54:35.14
And that's why
the verse you read,
00:54:35.15\00:54:36.68
look at... go back
and hit on verse 4,
00:54:36.69\00:54:41.97
verse 4, yes hit
that again for us.
00:54:41.98\00:54:43.70
"Therefore we
were buried with Him
00:54:43.71\00:54:45.38
through baptism into His death.
00:54:45.39\00:54:46.85
That's right.
00:54:46.86\00:54:47.83
They just as Christ
was raised from the dead
00:54:47.84\00:54:49.75
by the glory of the Father,
00:54:49.76\00:54:50.92
even so we also should
walk in newness of life."
00:54:50.93\00:54:53.74
Okay, there we go, so
we...baptism is death,
00:54:53.75\00:54:56.16
but baptism is
also resurrection.
00:54:56.17\00:54:58.19
And notice whose life
they are coming forth in now?
00:54:58.20\00:55:00.45
They are not
coming forth on their own.
00:55:00.46\00:55:02.09
Here it is verse 5:
"For if we've been united
00:55:02.10\00:55:04.64
together in the
lightness of His deaths,
00:55:04.65\00:55:06.51
certainly we also
shall be in the lightness
00:55:06.52\00:55:08.80
of His resurrection."
00:55:08.81\00:55:09.98
That's right, there it is.
00:55:09.99\00:55:11.47
And so Second Corinthians 5:17
comes to my mind which says,
00:55:11.48\00:55:15.37
"if any one is in
Christ, he is a new creation."
00:55:15.38\00:55:18.94
New creation, old
things have passed away,
00:55:18.95\00:55:22.52
behold all of
things had become new.
00:55:22.53\00:55:25.18
So we begin to
see, in that transition
00:55:25.19\00:55:27.66
from where we were
to where we are now.
00:55:27.67\00:55:30.16
You are not an old
car in a new showroom,
00:55:30.17\00:55:33.31
you are a new car
in a new showroom.
00:55:33.32\00:55:35.92
Now here's the
part that we don't
00:55:35.93\00:55:36.90
have the time to finish up with.
00:55:36.91\00:55:38.17
But I just... I just
got to throw in there,
00:55:38.18\00:55:39.42
because pick it
up give it next time.
00:55:39.43\00:55:41.17
This death is linked to
Christ death in the cross.
00:55:41.18\00:55:44.80
We can't deny that. No way.
00:55:44.81\00:55:46.68
And if that's the
case then as Paul says,
00:55:47.43\00:55:51.69
he needs to die daily, take
up your cross and die daily.
00:55:51.70\00:55:55.92
He encourages the church,
00:55:55.93\00:55:57.00
everyone in the
church to do that.
00:55:57.01\00:55:58.77
This death that we
experience in baptism
00:55:58.78\00:56:01.18
isn't a one time
deal, the baptism is.
00:56:01.19\00:56:04.21
But it is an expression
of what we'll do everyday,
00:56:04.22\00:56:07.63
which is when I wake up,
I'm going to die again to self,
00:56:07.64\00:56:11.79
That's right.
00:56:11.80\00:56:12.77
Because if I don't
in any specific date,
00:56:12.78\00:56:14.37
die to myself, you know
what's going to creep in again?
00:56:14.38\00:56:17.35
The old man. oh yeah.
00:56:17.36\00:56:18.85
Old man Sin and his
power will creep in again.
00:56:18.86\00:56:22.48
I've got to die everyday,
and that is the continuing
00:56:22.49\00:56:25.99
of my baptism experience
00:56:26.00\00:56:28.04
where it
originated going forward.
00:56:28.05\00:56:30.71
You know, as we
wind up this program,
00:56:30.72\00:56:32.25
I did a sermon many years
ago, I had to change the title
00:56:32.26\00:56:35.09
when I preach it on the 3 ABN.
00:56:35.10\00:56:36.60
I changed it to, I changed
it to until death do his apart.
00:56:36.61\00:56:41.17
But the old title
was kill your husband.
00:56:41.18\00:56:43.61
And people said no, I don't
know somebody may take that
00:56:45.17\00:56:47.52
in a wrong way, so I changed
it to till death do its part.
00:56:47.53\00:56:50.74
In our next program,
we're gonna see that,
00:56:50.75\00:56:53.85
in reality why is it important
to kill that old person,
00:56:53.86\00:56:58.44
that old nature.
00:56:58.45\00:56:59.49
Why is it important to
put that to death for us
00:56:59.50\00:57:02.21
to have that new welcome Christ
00:57:02.22\00:57:03.53
we've got to put that to death.
00:57:03.54\00:57:05.07
What do you say? Amen, amen.
00:57:05.08\00:57:06.92
And so just think about
where you wanna be whether
00:57:06.93\00:57:10.15
you want to be the old car
hanging out in the new showroom,
00:57:10.16\00:57:13.32
whether you want to be a
brand new reflecting the glory
00:57:13.33\00:57:17.04
and the beauty and
the righteousness of Jesus
00:57:17.05\00:57:19.46
in a new showroom,
00:57:19.47\00:57:21.23
in the relationship with
Christ Jesus as your Lord.
00:57:21.24\00:57:24.14
And then He'll
add you to the church,
00:57:24.15\00:57:25.99
and get you ready for the
walk that He has just for you.
00:57:26.00\00:57:29.71
Ask Christ into your
life and begin that walk
00:57:29.72\00:57:31.74
with Him today.
00:57:31.75\00:57:33.14
God bless you.
00:57:33.15\00:57:34.12