Hello, friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition
of "House Calls".
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Welcome to
"House Calls" program,
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the place where the
best meal on the earth
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could be found because
it's the bread of life,
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the Word of God, do
you believe that John?
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Amen. And so, friends,
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thank you so much for
joining us and as you can see
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I'm not by myself, I
have Pastor John Stanton,
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my really good friend with me.
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Good to have you here, John.
It's good to be here again,
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John, thank you. What
are we going to do today?
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We were talking,
we're going to finish up
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the subject we
have been covering here
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for the last couple
of programs on hell.
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Okay. And we'll
answer some questions.
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All right. I
always enjoy doing that.
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Okay, well as you know friends,
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we always like to get
into it with prayer before
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we do anything else,
so John led us before
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God's tone in
prayer. Let's do that.
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Our Father in heaven,
again we won't go forward
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here unless You
are with us and so,
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well we open our hearts
and minds to you even now
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and just pray that you
would fill us with your spirit
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that you would lead us
through the spirit of truth
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here today as we
cover various questions
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that people are
enquiring about with regard
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to Your Word and we pray Lord
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that You will give us
not only that instruction
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that Your Spirit gives
but also Lord the blessing
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of understanding
You better because
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it is you who we seek to know
because that is eternal life.
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In Jesus' name we pray, amen.
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Amen. Friends, as you know
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at this program "House
Calls" the reason why we call
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it house calls is
because we are going to homes
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and hearts and
houses around the world
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and praise the Lord for that.
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But you have a chance
to come into our heart,
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our home and to our
house by your Bible question.
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And so if you have any questions
that you like to submit to us,
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send those to the email on
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We will download
them and by God's grace
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and the work of the
Holy Spirit we will answer
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them in harmony with God's will.
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Thank you for all you do to
keep this program going forward.
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There are more
questions in the Bible than
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we will ever
address in our life time,
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so keep them coming, we
do appreciate your part.
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What do you have
for us today, John?
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Well, John, we have
the follow up question
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to an issue that we
talked about before.
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Okay. I don't know,
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this may take a little bit of
time here to get through but I,
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we don't mind taking the time.
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It's on the issue of how
God views the Nation of Israel
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and the church
today in His overall plan
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of saving all of humanity.
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Okay. There are some that
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teach today that
there are two covenants
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that God has with people.
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The first one is with the
people or the children of Israel
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that He created way
back when that He gave
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specifically to
Moses and the children
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as they took them
through wilderness
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to deliver them from Egypt,
took them to the wilderness
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and then as they came
into the land of Canaan
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and that covenant still exist
today with Jews as a people.
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And separately or
apart from that he grew
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or began to grow the
Gospel of Jesus Christ
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through the church and
create a covenant with them.
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I do not believe that.
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I don't believe
the Bible teaches that.
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I believe the Bible teaches that
there is an everlasting covenant
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that began even before the Jews.
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Clearly we find a covenant
going on there with regard
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to the salvation of
Adam and Eve after sin.
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There was enmity he
says I'll put between you,
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the Satan, speaking
of Satan and the woman
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that is those who
would even be born by her
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and come after her
there will be this,
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the standard that
Christ or that God
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would set up and we know
that it was through Christ
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to save all of human kind.
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And he renewed
that covenant with Noah.
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He renewed the
covenant with Abraham,
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Jacob or Isaac and Jacob.
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He renewed the
covenant with David
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and several of
those who came after him,
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so that is the covenant that
then he extended to the church.
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Same covenant,
everlasting covenant
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but it was the new covenant
in that the old ceremonies
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and writing symbols of
the old, prior to Christ
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were done away with
but now the new covenant,
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a part of the everlasting
overarching covenant with God,
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He has with his
Church. That's right.
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Now, that's a brief
synopsis of God's covenant
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with humanity to save
them, but there are some
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that teach today and here is why
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I want to kind of
get to the heart of it.
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There are some who teach
today that the covenant that God
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had with the Jews as a
nation as a people still exists,
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and that God will cause
an incredible conversion
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of the Jews as a
people before Christ return,
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before the second
coming, and that is apart
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from the work that, that
God is doing through the church
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and his covenant with the church
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to save the rest of
human kind apart or side
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from the Jews being saved.
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Here is the question
that we received in response
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to that synopsis
that we gave previously.
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Thank you for taking
time to answer my question
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but you are still
dodging the issue and I promise
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that these are my
last comments on it.
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This person has
been very cordial,
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he says an issue where we
were arguing extensively over,
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you know,
different kinds of positions
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on this, but it's
been a good dialog.
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I did and do understand
your views but I wrote that,
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I wrote is what I
wrote is that the Bible says
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and I believe what the
Bible says is different
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than you and what you teach us
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replacement
theology is not true.
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And he goes on to say what
his follow up positions are.
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In fact I believe its
either him or her sometimes
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we get messages from
an address and its say
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women or man's name
but may be it's a husband
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or wife using it
so we don't know.
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Right, okay. Anyway
they say here the church
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is spiritual
Israel they believe that.
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But it is not nor
will it ever replace,
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this is the contention that,
this individual has replace
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the physical children of
Israel because they still have
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a role to play in God's
salvation plan for humanity
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at the risk of repeating
myself, he says two points,
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or she says two
points Jesus will come again
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and tell the Jews say or won't
come again until the Jews say
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bless it is he who
comes in name of Lord,
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he believes that or
she believes that points
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to a literal
conversion of the Jews.
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And number two there won't
be a resurrection of the dead
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until the Jews accept
Jesus as their Messiah.
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He quotes or she
quotes Revelation,
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oh excuse me, Romans 11:15
stating that their acceptance
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is equated to there
as life from the dead.
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And I find, you know, my
question here I wrote is,
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as a notation here where is
this in the Bible that Christ
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won't come until
the Jews accept Him.
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I mean from what I read
Matthew 24:14 this gospel
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will be preached
to all the world,
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that's not an elimination
or an exclusion of Jews,
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that's including Jews
and then the end will come.
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Right. So, the
intention here is Christ
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wants everyone to be saved.
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Even Revelation
10, the mystery of God
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will be finished as
it goes to all nations,
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tribes, tongues
and people. It should.
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So, it's everyone
that is is being saved
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that possibly wants to be saved.
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Then it goes on
Romans 11:24 says
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that not that
they can be grafted in,
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but they will be
grafted in, there's as emphatic
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will be, will happen.
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And so anyway that's
kind of last point made.
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But lets cover a few.
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That the Jews
will be grafted in.
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They will be not that
they can be, but they will be,
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that's what the
wording that Paul uses.
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And I agree there is the
word will be in that passage.
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But a couple of points, a
few points here to kind of get
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the ball rolling, I
know you want to weigh
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in on this as well John.
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In the Book of
Isaiah over and over again
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and I'll give you
several passages here,
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God refers to the
children of Israel
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as being His
covenant to all of humanity,
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part of the
covenant to all of humanity.
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He speaks in fact then he
identifies them so closely
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with Christ that
there is a dual prophecy
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there in that he is
talking about Christ Himself.
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Let me just tell
you where that is.
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Isaiah 42:6, let's turn there,
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it's one example of
one of these prophecies
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that I'm talking about,
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Isaiah 42 and what verse?
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And in verse 6.
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Okay. Let's start with verse 5.
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"Thus says the Lord God
who created the heavens,
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and stretched them out,
who spread forth the earth,
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and that which comes from it,
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who gives breath
to the people on it,
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and the spirit to
those who walk on it.
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Either Lord have
called you in righteousness
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and will hold your
hand, I will keep you and give
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you as a covenant to the people
as a light to the Gentiles."
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Okay. Now, the
word I have the word
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you in there capitalized
as a reference because
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this is a commonly recognized
prophecy about Christ,
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that God the father
gives Christ as a covenant
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or as a promise to the people.
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Or as the light to exact.
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Or as the light to
the Gentiles, okay.
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But then, turn
with me and of course
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you probably
recognize the rest of that verse
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before you turn
to open blind eyes
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to bring up
prisoners something we find,
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Same thing Luke 4.
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Luke 4 quotes.
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But turn over a few
chapters to Isaiah 46. Okay.
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No, no, excuse me
49. Okay, I am there.
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Okay, John, could
you read 49 verses,
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oh no just verse 6.
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Okay, Indeed He says,
"It is too smaller thing
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that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
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And to restore the
preserved ones of Israel,
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I will also give You as
a light to the Gentiles,
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That You should be My salvation
to the ends of the earth."
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Okay, interesting
thing about these text
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is it's referring to--there
is a prophecy there about Christ
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would come but
more than that pause,
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we'll see here just
in a very short time
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we'll identify these scriptures
is also referring to Israel,
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as being a light to
the rest of the world.
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Right, Romans 15.
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Acts, actually Acts 13 Acts 13.
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But look here in
before we leave Isaiah,
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Isaiah 60:1, "Arise,
shine, for your light has come,
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and the glory of the
Lord has risen upon you.
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For behold, the
darkness shall cover the earth,
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and deep darkness the people.
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But the Lord
will arise over you,
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and His glory
will be seen upon you.
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The Gentiles shall
come to your light,
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the kings to the
brightness of your coming."
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So again we see here
a reference to the light
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that the Gentiles come to.
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So you can kind of get a
well rounded picture here
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of what God's
intention was for calling Israel
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out of darkness. Right.
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He attended them for being a
light that all people of all--
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over all the whole
earth, all Gentiles would come
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to that light and be saved.
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That's true. That's the
mission that He gave to Israel.
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So now as Paul and
Barnabas use this same language
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is a quote from
Isaiah in Acts 13:47,
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you have a little
bit of background there,
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as to what they are saying,
but listen to these words.
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Acts 13:47, let's start,
actually it's-let's start
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with verse 46 that's
the key here. All right.
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Or 45, 45 lets
back up even more,
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when the Jews
saw the multitudes,
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that is the multitudes who are
coming from Sabbath to Sabbath
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John, to hear the Word
of God, when they were saw
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the multitudes they
were filled with envy,
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and contradicting and
blaspheming they appose
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the thing spoken by Paul,
then Paul and Barnabas grew bold
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and said it was
necessary that the Word of God
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should be spoken to you first.
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Now, why is that?
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Why would the Word of
God have to go to the Jews
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and the Jewish leaders first?
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Because they were like candles
in the midst of darkness,
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the nations
that surrounded them.
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They, if they got it then
the mission then the God had
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for them could go to the
rest of the world. That's right.
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To accomplish that, but
then look at these words,
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very sobering, "But
since you have rejected it
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and judged yourselves unworthy
of everlasting life behold
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we turn to the Gentiles, for
so the Lord has commanded us,
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'I have set you a light
as a light to the Gentiles,
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that you should be for salvation
to the end of the earth."
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I like verse 48, it says
"When the Gentiles heard this,
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they were glad and
glorified the word of the Lord
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and as many as
had been appointed
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to eternal life believed."
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Awesome. Yeah.
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Now, look at this,
this is an amazing thing.
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Paul and Barnabas,
what they are saying here
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is that God is
desperate, has been desperate
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to fulfill His
purpose through you,
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the Jews as a people, my
people Israel as a nation
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but you rejected it.
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In fact when I sent prophets
to you to get you to remember
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your mission, you
stoned them, you killed them
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you wanted to have nothing
to do with what my purpose was,
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my design was for you as
the people. That's right.
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That they became so sectarian
exclusive that the Samaritans
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which worshiped as
they did in many respects,
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they believe were
completely unclean,
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don't go near them,
don't associate with them
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and God designed
that they wouldn't ever
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treat anybody like that.
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As matter of fact the
woman that came to Jesus
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when she was at the well,
when Jesus is at the well,
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Jesus sent His
disciples away knowing
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that they would
prejudice against her,
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because she was
a Samaritan woman.
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Exactly, He wouldn't have had
a chance to reach her. Right.
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Because they
would have interfered
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or run into offense and yeah.
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And there was an
occasion when a Samaritan woman
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did come to Jesus
and He said to them,
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it's not good that I will
give the children's food to dogs
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and she said, and
they recognized that
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and that's why even
in the New Testament
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just before the Lord, the Lord
sent Peter to Cornelius house.
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He gave him a vision
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of all these unclean
animals. That's right.
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And said you should not call
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any man common or
unclean. That's right.
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See, so that
was-- that was truly,
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that was the
hindrance of the Jews
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carrying the
gospel to the world,
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so the Lord says,
since you won't do it,
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we will raise up another
group of people that will do it.
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And so, John, what's beautiful
about this whole thing,
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is why the Lord and I know you
didn't finish the question yet.
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Why the Lord loves us we
can't boast in our nationality
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or our nation of origin.
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We have to look at
our nation of destiny,
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you see from one blood came
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all nations of
men. That's right.
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So, God chose them not because
they were more and great.
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Anyway I don't
want to go too far but.
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And over and over again too,
just to finish your point too,
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Paul as he spread the gospel
and as the church began to grow,
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it was made up
above Jews and Gentiles.
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It wasn't just the Gentiles.
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The Jews that believed in Christ
were saved as the Gentiles
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who didn't know about Christ
or even know about Judaism
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and its teachings at all, both
made up comprised the church.
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And that even Greeks.
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That's right. That's right.
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And so here now, I'm
going to read another verse
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that Paul and
Barnabas seems to be alluding
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to words of Christ
Himself from Matthew 23:37.
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This is Jesus as He
looks upon Jerusalem,
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He is looking upon the
temple, the beautiful city
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and you know it just looks
in fact the pride of Jerusalem,
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in fact the pride I think
of the disciples at that time,
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John, was so great.
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Here it is, Jesus is
about to become king,
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or about to conquer
the Romans and were about
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to set up our kingdom on earth,
to be like no other kingdom.
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Instead they see
Jesus beginning to weep.
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He is upset, He is crying,
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He is torn
inside, His heart is torn
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because of the fact
that the people are about to
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reject Him and here is the words
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that we find
from Jesus' own lips.
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Verse 37, "O
Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
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the one that kills the prophets
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and stones those
who are sent to her,
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how often I wanted to
gather your children together,
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as a hen gathers her
chicks under her wings,
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but you were not
willing." Not willing.
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See in other words,
see this is what happens,
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"your house is
left to you desolate."
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You know, John you had
a back in Fairfield days.
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I still remember, you
know, there is few sermons
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that you preached but I
still remember this one sermons
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and it's very appropriate here.
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Your sermons was a very
short title to the point if.
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Okay, that's right.
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You remember it, I'm sure.
That's right, that's right.
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If over and over again
we see in the scriptures
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if, if, if God laid
before, Deuteronomy,
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laid before the
people, blessings and curses,
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it was their choice.
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If they choose the
blessings, if they obeyed,
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they receive the blessings,
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if they disobey
they receive the curses.
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You are turning the
light on my head right now.
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And if we see over
and over and over again,
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it is bad theology to
believe that one that remains
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completely disobedient to God
is still called a child of God
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and will be in
the kingdom. Right.
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Or that God
somehow must save them
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because He need a
covenant with them.
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Even the
covenant itself has an if.
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These are conditional covenant,
they are meant for people
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who are obedient to God
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and to assert that
God will save a people
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who have rejected
Him and still reject Him
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is just not good
Biblical theology. Right.
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And so, now I turn you loose
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because your lights
you said your ears went on.
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Yeah, my ears are going off.
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Isaiah 1:18, "Come
now, let us reason together,
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says the Lord though
your sins are like scarlet,
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they shall be as white as snow,
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though they are red like
crimson, they shall be as wool."
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Here is one.
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Isaiah 1:19 "If you
are willing and obedient,
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you shall eat
the good of the land
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but if you refuse and
rebel, you shall be devoured
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by the sword for the
mouth of the Lord has spoken.
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That's one of the ifs right
there and it's not conditional,
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it is, the only condition
there is if you are willing,
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here is the blessing, but if you
refuse here is the consequence.
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And when you go, I mean we
all know that 1 Chronicles 7:14
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"If my people, which
are called by my name,
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will humble themselves,
then I will hear from heaven,
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and forgive their
sins and heal their land."
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The reason why and I say
this right in the context
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the reason why among
the Jewish nation today,
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who still reject Jesus,
the reason why there is still
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so much controversy is
because they will not accept
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the Messiah, they will not.
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And in Daniel 9 the Lord had
given them 70 weeks 490 years
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that was their point
of probation where it says
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here is the final curtain,
here is the last opportunity
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here is my winding down appeal,
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and he gave them
seven things to do
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within the period of 490 years.
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And when Steven was stoned,
the probation for the nation
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as leaders was closed.
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He says I'm going to somebody
else and that's what Paul meant
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when he wrote in
the Book of Romans 9.
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He wrote
specifically about this nation
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and notice what
he said, Romans 9:6.
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"But it is not that the word
of God has taken no effect."
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In other words the
problem is not God's word.
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For they are not all Israel
who are of Israel. There you go.
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He says going on, not
all, nor are they all children
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because they
are seed of Abraham.
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There is nothing to do race.
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He says you think
that because you are--
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and the woman at the well
was the same one who said,
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that she says, "Our father
Abraham gave us this well."
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And the Lord
looked at her and said
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okay, that's great, next what?
00:21:06.08\00:21:09.89
Does that mean
that now I'll send you
00:21:09.92\00:21:11.20
a preeminence to salvation.
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Or that this part
is exclusively yours
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because of your father Abraham.
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He was leading
her to conversion.
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She was not even
converted and she was boasting
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about her father Abraham.
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When she met Jesus that
the conversion took place.
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Right, over and over again
when you see the word will,
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But I'll do this, I'll do that,
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the will is still
based upon the if.
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It's still based upon the if.
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So, it may not be
that I can do this,
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but you know the
statement is that I'll,
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but I'll if you do this. Right.
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And that's--that is
the incredible blessing of
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what we see that God is
faithful but we are the ones
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that aren't faithful, if we
don't obey and follow the Lord.
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And that's very true,
that's why when you read
00:21:51.50\00:21:53.15
what Paul says, it
even amplifies it even more,
00:21:53.18\00:21:56.29
that it has less to do
with their nation of birth,
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and more to do with
their spiritual rebirth.
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And their
obedience to the faith.
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And their obedience to
the will of God in the faith.
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Notice this and
I'll reiterate this,
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I want to read
this one more time
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because I want to
make sure you got it.
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Romans 9:6, "But it is
not that the word of God
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has taken no effect.
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For they are not all
Israel who are of Israel,
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nor are they all children
00:22:21.37\00:22:23.06
because they are
the seed of Abraham,
00:22:23.09\00:22:26.74
but in Isaac your
seed shall be called.
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That is those who are
the children of the flesh
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these are not
the children of God.
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But the children of the
promise are counted as the seed.
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Oh, mass, you did
that-- Did I opened it.
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You said perfectly.
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I mean it's not the
children of the flesh,
00:22:46.67\00:22:49.98
descendants of the
nation of Israel. Exactly.
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It's the children of the faith,
the seeding of faith in Christ.
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That's right but
even goes on further.
00:22:57.86\00:23:00.28
"For this is
the word of promise,
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at this time I will come,
and Sarah shall have a son."
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And the Lord goes through that
and makes it very, very clear
00:23:08.07\00:23:10.87
and he notice, notice the
comparison, I'm going to go.
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When you get a chance read
through the Book of Romans 9,
00:23:13.65\00:23:16.99
it just really
breaks it down so clearly.
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But let me go ahead and show
you how he does the contrast
00:23:19.28\00:23:21.47
between the
spiritual and the natural.
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Notice what he goes on and says.
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Verse 25, " As he also,
As he says also in Hosea
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I will call them my
people who are not my people."
00:23:34.32\00:23:38.66
In other words
you are not a Jew,
00:23:38.69\00:23:40.23
"But I'll call you my people,
00:23:40.26\00:23:42.29
and it shall come
to pass in the place
00:23:42.32\00:23:44.08
where you were set to
them you are my people
00:23:44.11\00:23:47.63
they would be called
where they will be called
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Sons of the living God."
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Okay when you are not my people,
00:23:53.47\00:23:55.33
so the Lord is saying
because you are not my people,
00:23:55.36\00:23:57.50
you will be called my people.
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And here is the context of that.
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Let me go further back
little bit to Romans 2:28.
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I'm turning there very
quickly. Go with me to Romans 2.
00:24:06.61\00:24:09.57
This is very
important issue John,
00:24:09.60\00:24:10.87
I am glad we're
spending some time on this,
00:24:10.90\00:24:13.26
Romans 2:28, 29.
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"Therefore we conclude that a
man is justified by faith part
00:24:19.95\00:24:23.71
from the deeds of the law."
00:24:23.74\00:24:25.72
And when you look
at the context of this,
00:24:25.75\00:24:27.44
there was so much
boasting among the rituals
00:24:27.47\00:24:29.25
that the Jews
carried out, that they felt
00:24:29.28\00:24:31.23
that they were
prominently favored among those
00:24:31.26\00:24:35.52
or above those who did not honor
the rituals that they honored.
00:24:35.55\00:24:39.08
Noticed in verse 29,
00:24:39.11\00:24:41.00
"Or is he the
God of the Jews only?
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Is he not also.
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Verse 29 of Romans 3,
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Okay you said Romans 2 earlier.
00:24:47.52\00:24:48.55
Did I say Romans
Chapter? Yeah I said Romans 2.
00:24:48.58\00:24:51.94
You meant to 28 and 29,
as that goes with this issue.
00:24:51.97\00:24:54.88
Yeah, I'm gonna go back to
that, because this is also,
00:24:54.91\00:24:57.54
"Or is he the
God of the Jews only?
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Is he not also
the God of Gentiles?
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Yes, of the Gentiles also."
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All right and then
Chapter 2, Chapter 2 okay.
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Verse 28 and 29, "For he is
not a Jew who is one outwardly,
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nor is that circumcision
which is outward in the flesh
00:25:16.76\00:25:20.98
but he is a Jew
who is one inwardly
00:25:21.01\00:25:24.04
and circumcision is that
of the heart, in the Spirit,
00:25:24.07\00:25:27.41
and not in the
letter whose praise
00:25:27.44\00:25:29.34
is not from men but from God.
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So, you see clearly, I
mean this is just amazing.
00:25:31.98\00:25:34.10
Not once does Paul
say or you Jews are saved
00:25:34.13\00:25:37.06
in your own covenant with God,
and the church has now save me,
00:25:37.09\00:25:40.66
in its own coming with God.
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And I said this
over and over again
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there would have been no
reason for the church to exist
00:25:43.26\00:25:48.04
if the nation of Israel had
accepted Christ as their Messiah
00:25:48.07\00:25:53.05
and assured in righteousness
setting up their standard
00:25:53.08\00:25:55.63
to be the light to
the rest of the world.
00:25:55.66\00:25:57.38
There would have been no
church as we know it today.
00:25:57.41\00:26:00.19
That would be right, there
would have been no need of--
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They would have been the church.
00:26:01.79\00:26:03.05
Right, and the gospel the gospel
that is going to the world
00:26:03.08\00:26:07.86
would have been going
through them, through them.
00:26:07.89\00:26:09.93
But I'll be very frank today,
00:26:09.96\00:26:11.11
I mean I was raised
in Brooklyn, New York
00:26:11.14\00:26:12.52
and am not and when I
want to pause by saying here
00:26:12.55\00:26:15.47
is we are not saying
that they are excluded.
00:26:15.50\00:26:18.64
We are talking about the system
of their beliefs not the people.
00:26:18.67\00:26:22.15
Right, we are not saying
00:26:22.18\00:26:23.21
that Jews are
excluded from salvation.
00:26:23.24\00:26:25.00
We are saying salvation
is through Jesus Christ
00:26:25.03\00:26:28.17
who is not an
exclusive Jesus. That's right.
00:26:28.20\00:26:31.77
That's why He says, he is
not the God of the Jews only
00:26:31.80\00:26:33.78
but also of the Gentiles.
00:26:33.81\00:26:35.46
It is the message,
is the calling up on
00:26:35.49\00:26:38.20
a person's life that
makes them acceptable before God
00:26:38.23\00:26:41.90
those who accept that purpose
00:26:41.93\00:26:43.86
that God has outlined for them
now puts them in the context
00:26:43.89\00:26:46.86
of a people that
are carrying the gospel.
00:26:46.89\00:26:48.73
It's the gospel that
matters and that's why
00:26:48.76\00:26:50.79
if you go here in
Galatians 3, Galatians 3,
00:26:50.82\00:26:55.40
I want to just-I am glad
we spent some time on this,
00:26:55.43\00:26:59.14
John, I appreciate it very
much that you brought this up.
00:26:59.17\00:27:02.02
We could have easily ignored it
00:27:02.05\00:27:03.26
but it's very worthy
of being talked about.
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Look at Galatians 3:28-29.
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Verse 28 says, "There
is neither Jew nor Greek,
00:27:16.60\00:27:21.42
there is neither slave nor free,
00:27:21.45\00:27:23.94
there is
neither male nor female,
00:27:23.97\00:27:25.44
for ye are all one in Christ.
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And if you are Christ,
then you are Abraham's seed
00:27:29.83\00:27:34.23
and heirs according to promise."
00:27:34.26\00:27:36.53
See so he is saying here,
it's all about your faith walk,
00:27:36.56\00:27:40.06
not about the nation
that you were born in.
00:27:40.09\00:27:42.63
Let's talk about
just to finish this,
00:27:42.66\00:27:44.56
because it look like we
have time for one question.
00:27:44.59\00:27:46.10
Sure, go ahead.
00:27:46.13\00:27:47.21
But, just a kind
of finish this up,
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let's talk about the
covenant for a second,
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the everlasting covenant.
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When ever you have a covenant,
you have two parties to it.
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You have the offerings the
one presenting the covenant
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and you have the
acceptance. Right.
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If you go back to our history
even care wherever you go
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whatever culture you are in,
00:28:06.44\00:28:08.19
there are two signatures
on any covenant document.
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The one that is
presenting the covenant
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who will do fulfill the promise
and the one who was received
00:28:14.68\00:28:17.65
or accepted that
their part of that deal.
00:28:17.68\00:28:21.65
Now we are not talking
about being saved by works,
00:28:21.68\00:28:24.95
that's not what the covenant
is even refereeing to. Right.
00:28:24.98\00:28:28.36
What we are
saying is that is by--
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it is by grace through faith
00:28:31.08\00:28:33.02
that we are
saved in Jesus Christ.
00:28:33.05\00:28:36.19
But then going
forward our responsibility
00:28:36.22\00:28:39.84
then in that working or
relationship with Christ
00:28:39.87\00:28:43.24
is to keep His covenant.
00:28:43.27\00:28:44.88
Over and over again,
even Christ Himself said,
00:28:44.91\00:28:47.19
"Keep My commandments."
00:28:47.22\00:28:49.52
Walk in My ways.
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And so it's no-- I
think some of this,
00:28:51.51\00:28:56.07
some of the false
theology that we have out there
00:28:56.10\00:28:58.33
that if God says
it, He has to do it.
00:28:58.36\00:29:01.20
It has its roots in once saved
always saved theology, John.
00:29:01.23\00:29:05.37
You know, it goes back
to, well, once you accept
00:29:05.40\00:29:07.68
Christ as your Savior,
00:29:07.71\00:29:09.35
there is nothing you can
do to loose your salvation.
00:29:09.38\00:29:11.21
There is nothing that
you can do even disobey
00:29:11.24\00:29:14.86
that causes you to
lose that salvation
00:29:14.89\00:29:17.36
because God
promised it He has to,
00:29:17.39\00:29:19.80
his hands are
tied, He must fulfill it.
00:29:19.83\00:29:22.61
I would suggest that
the act of disobedience,
00:29:22.64\00:29:24.81
John, is the act of
not accepting the covenant.
00:29:24.84\00:29:29.24
That's a very good point.
That's a good way to put it.
00:29:29.27\00:29:31.89
You can believe in
Christ but if you disobey
00:29:31.92\00:29:33.90
you are in action not
accepting the covenant,
00:29:33.93\00:29:37.35
you've rejecting
God's offering to you.
00:29:37.38\00:29:40.60
I believe that's what the
Book of James is all about
00:29:40.63\00:29:42.53
when it says faith
works together with its works.
00:29:42.56\00:29:45.50
You know its faith and
works kind of hand in hand.
00:29:45.53\00:29:48.56
Yes, we're saved by
graces, it's a free gift.
00:29:48.59\00:29:50.78
But our response to
that is the works we do.
00:29:50.81\00:29:52.95
If we respond by disobedience,
then there is no true faith,
00:29:52.98\00:29:57.46
there is no true salvation.
00:29:57.49\00:30:00.04
And that's one
of the reasons why
00:30:00.07\00:30:01.60
when you go to
the Book of Hebrews
00:30:01.63\00:30:02.84
it shows that watch this.
00:30:02.87\00:30:06.66
"This is the covenant
that I'll make with you
00:30:06.69\00:30:11.11
after those
days," says the Lord.
00:30:11.14\00:30:13.82
Again, reestablishing
that everlasting covenant.
00:30:13.85\00:30:16.91
And He says, "I do
away with the first
00:30:16.94\00:30:20.37
that I may
establish the second."
00:30:20.40\00:30:22.83
Okay, am I
opening the doors here?
00:30:22.86\00:30:24.67
One more door you opened there.
00:30:24.70\00:30:25.85
And that's in the
Book of Hebrews 10,
00:30:25.88\00:30:28.02
"I do away with the first that
I may establish the second."
00:30:28.05\00:30:30.71
Now, even if you
continue in the Book of Romans
00:30:30.74\00:30:33.62
because Paul
makes it so, so clear
00:30:33.65\00:30:35.96
that it's not a
disannulling of the covenant
00:30:35.99\00:30:37.97
but the problem
is with the people,
00:30:38.00\00:30:40.91
the covenant is not a problem.
00:30:40.94\00:30:42.33
So he says, let me go ahead
00:30:42.36\00:30:43.42
and make it
very, very clear to you
00:30:43.45\00:30:44.58
what I need to do here.
00:30:44.61\00:30:46.12
He says, this is the
covenant Hebrews 10:16.
00:30:46.15\00:30:52.31
"This is the covenant
that I will make with them
00:30:52.34\00:30:54.81
after those
days," says the Lord.
00:30:54.84\00:30:57.15
I will put my laws into
their minds and in their hearts,
00:30:57.18\00:30:59.89
I will write them.
00:30:59.92\00:31:03.12
Then he adds, "Their
sins and their lawless deeds
00:31:03.15\00:31:05.76
I will remember no more."
00:31:05.79\00:31:08.64
And when he talks about law,
00:31:08.67\00:31:09.70
"I come into the
volume of this book
00:31:09.73\00:31:11.15
to take away the first that
I may establish the second."
00:31:11.18\00:31:13.61
He is simply talking
about in the old covenant
00:31:13.64\00:31:17.21
you had to be circumcised
00:31:17.24\00:31:19.22
and be of the
natural Jewish nation,
00:31:19.25\00:31:23.08
in order to participate
in the temple services.
00:31:23.11\00:31:26.86
That's why 1
Corinthians 7:19, he says
00:31:26.89\00:31:30.06
"Circumcision is nothing,
and uncircumcision is nothing,
00:31:30.09\00:31:33.66
but the keeping
00:31:33.69\00:31:34.72
of the commandments
of God is what matters"
00:31:34.75\00:31:36.61
I'm reading from the
New King James Version
00:31:36.64\00:31:38.15
in that context.
00:31:38.18\00:31:39.21
So, he is saying, get this.
00:31:39.24\00:31:41.34
Everything that was
established in the covenant,
00:31:41.37\00:31:44.10
you forget there is a
better covenant coming.
00:31:44.13\00:31:46.95
Read Romans 8 about
the better covenant.
00:31:46.98\00:31:49.26
Well, and that's the
point that jumped to my mind
00:31:49.29\00:31:52.19
is that the new
covenant is with the house of...
00:31:52.22\00:31:57.97
Spiritual
Israel. Israel, exactly.
00:31:58.00\00:32:01.22
So if you are living
under the new covenant
00:32:01.25\00:32:05.59
then Hebrews 8:8 says
that "The new covenant
00:32:05.62\00:32:09.94
is with the house of
Israel in the house of Judah."
00:32:09.97\00:32:13.41
So, the church is Israel.
00:32:13.44\00:32:15.78
That's right, very
clearly, very clearly.
00:32:15.81\00:32:17.88
And Israel is a
nation or not the conduit
00:32:17.91\00:32:21.31
through which then
the salvation is going,
00:32:21.34\00:32:23.53
the salvation gospel of Christ
is going to all the world.
00:32:23.56\00:32:28.52
As a mater of fact he says,
if the first covenant was fine
00:32:28.55\00:32:32.46
would there had been any
room sort for a second one.
00:32:32.49\00:32:37.35
No, not at all.
00:32:37.38\00:32:38.61
The issue came down with those
00:32:38.64\00:32:40.44
who had rejected
this, this offering.
00:32:40.47\00:32:42.43
I like the word
you used, disagreement.
00:32:42.46\00:32:45.23
I had to continue
the process of salvation,
00:32:45.26\00:32:48.03
so I had to choose those
00:32:48.06\00:32:49.82
who will accept the
conditions of this covenant
00:32:49.85\00:32:52.42
and carry and
extend it to the world.
00:32:52.45\00:32:54.68
And as a matter of
fact my last text, okay.
00:32:54.71\00:32:57.65
Let's go to Isaiah 24, and
we will see the reason why,
00:32:57.68\00:33:03.51
well, it is such a
topic this is a topic,
00:33:03.54\00:33:05.43
this is a program all by itself
00:33:05.46\00:33:06.64
if you really
think about it, John.
00:33:06.67\00:33:08.67
The reason why
this is so important
00:33:08.70\00:33:12.13
is because, here it is.
00:33:12.16\00:33:17.89
Okay, Isaiah 24:5 and 6,
00:33:17.92\00:33:25.86
"The earth also is
defiled under its inhabitants."
00:33:25.89\00:33:29.60
Now notice, I want
you to stop here a moment.
00:33:29.63\00:33:31.05
As the Lord gives us covenant
He continues to expand it,
00:33:31.08\00:33:33.64
He continue to extend it,
00:33:33.67\00:33:34.82
He is extending it beyond
just the nation of Israel.
00:33:34.85\00:33:37.65
Notice to whom
He is extending it
00:33:37.68\00:33:39.13
and He shows the condition
00:33:39.16\00:33:40.32
and why the things that exist
today are the way they are.
00:33:40.35\00:33:43.79
"The earth is also
defiled under its inhabitants,
00:33:43.82\00:33:46.14
because of it's inhabitants,
00:33:46.17\00:33:47.72
because they have
transgressed the laws,
00:33:47.75\00:33:50.39
changed the ordinance
and broken," The what?
00:33:50.42\00:33:53.66
Everlasting.
"Everlasting covenant."
00:33:53.69\00:33:56.90
So the covenant that was
made has not been nullified
00:33:56.93\00:34:02.04
or changed simply
through Isaac's seed.
00:34:02.07\00:34:06.81
All the nations of
the earth would be blessed
00:34:06.84\00:34:08.93
but who is the seed?
00:34:08.96\00:34:10.92
Galatians 3:19 says
that the seed is Christ.
00:34:10.95\00:34:14.75
The seed is not
the nation of Israel.
00:34:14.78\00:34:17.35
That's right. Anyway-
00:34:17.38\00:34:19.32
Well, we covered a
lot of different aspects
00:34:19.35\00:34:21.03
but I wanted to do
that because I know so many,
00:34:21.06\00:34:23.07
there are lot of different ideas
about the subject out there.
00:34:23.10\00:34:28.12
So this is grafting
and this revelation aspect
00:34:28.15\00:34:29.97
where people are preaching,
00:34:30.00\00:34:31.03
well, soon the Jews
are going to accept Jesus
00:34:31.06\00:34:33.82
and then they are
going to evangelize the world
00:34:33.85\00:34:35.72
and the
antichrist is going to set up
00:34:35.75\00:34:36.81
His kingdom in
the middle of 70 years
00:34:36.84\00:34:38.88
and then there is
going to be a single man
00:34:38.91\00:34:41.38
coming from somewhere in Europe.
00:34:41.41\00:34:43.69
I can't respond in any other
way just it exacerbates me,
00:34:48.97\00:34:53.32
to see that the
stuff that's been taught,
00:34:53.35\00:34:57.40
which is completely
contrary to establish truth--
00:34:57.43\00:35:00.61
Now, you can pick and choose
00:35:00.64\00:35:02.43
some scriptures to
make it fit your scenario.
00:35:02.46\00:35:04.75
Anybody can do that but when
you fit it to that scenario,
00:35:04.78\00:35:09.32
you have to ignore a
hundred other scriptures
00:35:09.35\00:35:12.25
that clearly appose it
and that's the issue we have.
00:35:12.28\00:35:16.39
It's not that people out
there teaching this thing
00:35:16.42\00:35:18.36
don't quote some
scripture, they do. Yeah.
00:35:18.39\00:35:21.07
They misquote it,
take it out of context
00:35:21.10\00:35:22.67
and ignore a
plethora of other scriptures
00:35:22.70\00:35:25.34
that tell just
the opposite. Right.
00:35:25.37\00:35:27.96
That's the problem we
have with lot of the teachers
00:35:27.99\00:35:30.38
out there today
pedaling God's word.
00:35:30.41\00:35:34.23
And you look at
there, John, you think, okay,
00:35:34.26\00:35:37.38
who got rejected here when it
came to the rejection of Christ?
00:35:37.41\00:35:43.22
The leaders were the
ones that Jesus rejected
00:35:43.25\00:35:47.36
the leaders,
notice, not the people.
00:35:47.39\00:35:51.98
The leaders were the
ones that rejected Jesus.
00:35:52.01\00:35:56.02
You can go through the names,
00:35:56.05\00:35:58.30
the Sanhedrims those
were the high priests,
00:35:58.33\00:36:02.05
they all led the people
into darker, darker deceptions,
00:36:02.08\00:36:04.88
that's why even when
the Roman guards came back
00:36:04.91\00:36:07.98
and said, He is not there.
00:36:08.01\00:36:12.00
They gave them
blood money as it where
00:36:12.03\00:36:14.75
and say, take this
money and tell this lie
00:36:14.78\00:36:20.35
that his body was taken
00:36:20.38\00:36:22.99
and buried somewhere
else by His disciples
00:36:23.02\00:36:25.54
and it says in the book
of Matthew I think Chapter 27
00:36:25.57\00:36:30.78
and that story is
reported until this day,
00:36:30.81\00:36:33.93
so whenever you read it
00:36:33.96\00:36:34.99
until this day
that story is reported
00:36:35.02\00:36:37.28
that the disciples had something
to do with the great cover up.
00:36:37.31\00:36:39.92
Anyway, thank you so much
00:36:39.95\00:36:40.98
for your questions
and comments, friends.
00:36:41.01\00:36:42.18
We took a little
bit time on a topic
00:36:42.21\00:36:43.48
that was of utmost importance.
00:36:43.51\00:36:45.27
If you still have any views
that you like to express about
00:36:45.30\00:36:47.85
something that you
like us to make clearer
00:36:47.88\00:36:50.02
or you like to contribute
to what we just talked about,
00:36:50.05\00:36:52.25
send your questions and
comments to housecalls@3abn.org,
00:36:52.28\00:36:56.32
that's housecalls@3abn.org.
00:36:56.35\00:36:59.60
And we really
appreciate all that you do.
00:36:59.63\00:37:01.95
Now we are going to
talk about the end of sin,
00:37:01.98\00:37:03.62
And I think we have enough time
to talk about the end of sin.
00:37:03.65\00:37:06.11
Yeah, the very last
part of-- I'm so glad--
00:37:06.14\00:37:08.01
Yes, absolutely hell and
lake of fire we left that--
00:37:08.04\00:37:12.04
Hell is actually a lake of fire
00:37:12.07\00:37:14.37
that's kindled from
heaven above to the earth
00:37:14.40\00:37:18.24
and in the last comment
that we had made there was
00:37:18.27\00:37:22.21
how Revelation 21:1
actually fits with Revelation 20
00:37:22.24\00:37:27.72
and here is where we pick,
00:37:27.75\00:37:29.58
we are going to
pick up here today,
00:37:29.61\00:37:31.52
Revelation 20: 15, "And
if anyone not found written
00:37:31.55\00:37:37.17
in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.
00:37:37.20\00:37:40.47
Now I saw a new
heaven and a new earth,
00:37:40.50\00:37:43.47
for the first heaven
00:37:43.50\00:37:44.81
and the first
earth had passed away.
00:37:44.84\00:37:46.58
Also there was no more sea."
00:37:46.61\00:37:48.37
You see the reference
there, the implication
00:37:48.40\00:37:50.21
as he transitions from
one thought to the next
00:37:50.24\00:37:55.26
is that the lake of
fire did its cleansing,
00:37:55.29\00:37:58.50
purifying work on the earth.
00:37:58.53\00:38:00.89
So much so, John,
that it became new.
00:38:00.92\00:38:05.38
Praise God for
that. It became new.
00:38:05.41\00:38:08.18
In fact there has been a lot of
discussion on creation lately.
00:38:08.21\00:38:13.19
Yes, it has been.
00:38:13.22\00:38:15.16
It's really seem to
come to the forefront
00:38:15.19\00:38:17.36
which I think is a great thing,
00:38:17.39\00:38:18.71
it's good to
have these discussions
00:38:18.74\00:38:20.14
and talk about what we
believe about creation.
00:38:20.17\00:38:23.06
But, there is one thing
that none of us can ever say
00:38:23.09\00:38:25.83
is that we have a first
hand account of what happened,
00:38:25.86\00:38:29.74
okay, because we
weren't there. Right.
00:38:29.77\00:38:31.16
We can only read scripture
but in the future you and I
00:38:31.19\00:38:36.44
and the rest of those who
put their faith in trusting God
00:38:36.47\00:38:38.75
will have a first
hand account of recreation.
00:38:38.78\00:38:44.04
That's right, we will see it.
00:38:44.07\00:38:45.26
That fire will
cleanse the earth,
00:38:45.29\00:38:47.65
make it you know,
that purifying it from sin
00:38:47.68\00:38:52.22
and then God will go forth to
make a new heavens atmosphere,
00:38:52.25\00:38:56.90
birds, sky,
firmament and a new earth,
00:38:56.93\00:39:01.17
animals, tress, things will see
it right in front of our eyes.
00:39:01.20\00:39:05.38
It wouldn't surprise me, I
can't prove this scripture,
00:39:05.41\00:39:07.30
we always talk about
when it's our opinion.
00:39:07.33\00:39:08.68
It's my opinion.
00:39:08.71\00:39:10.64
I wouldn't be
surprised if it took six days,
00:39:10.67\00:39:15.49
if God took six days possibly
to create the new earth.
00:39:15.52\00:39:20.22
No, that's not my opinion,
I mean it's just my opinion,
00:39:20.25\00:39:22.52
it's not biblical, I
can't find it anywhere
00:39:22.55\00:39:25.27
but it seems like,
it will be just like God
00:39:25.30\00:39:28.07
to take time to
recreate the earth again
00:39:28.10\00:39:30.60
and establish His
Sabbath again on the seventh day
00:39:30.63\00:39:33.57
where then we are assured into
that new earth to live forever.
00:39:33.60\00:39:38.78
You know its so wonderful that's
going to make it new, John,
00:39:38.81\00:39:40.61
and I want to address
a couple of passages here
00:39:40.64\00:39:42.35
that sometimes people say,
00:39:42.38\00:39:44.06
you noticed, they
haven't read that verse,
00:39:44.09\00:39:46.75
you noticed, there
intentionally ignoring it,
00:39:46.78\00:39:49.73
or you know friends, the
reason I say it that way is
00:39:49.76\00:39:53.38
because I met a gentleman once,
00:39:53.41\00:39:54.60
I'm not going to say
where and he cornered me.
00:39:54.63\00:39:59.47
We know him very
well, have good friendship
00:39:59.50\00:40:00.98
but he said, "You
know, I always hear
00:40:01.01\00:40:03.59
when you guys read Revelation 20
00:40:03.62\00:40:06.05
and you always stop
right before that verse,
00:40:06.08\00:40:09.03
and I said, "What verse?"
00:40:09.06\00:40:10.21
He said this verse, and he said,
00:40:10.24\00:40:12.46
"Why do you guys
stop before that verse?"
00:40:12.49\00:40:14.14
"Do you want us to ignore it?
00:40:14.17\00:40:17.40
Do you not believe what it says
00:40:17.43\00:40:19.71
because it seem to say something
00:40:19.74\00:40:21.28
contrary to the
verse before that,
00:40:21.31\00:40:23.60
so I want you to
clarify because these two verses
00:40:23.63\00:40:26.55
seem to almost be in
contradiction with each other."
00:40:26.58\00:40:29.59
Revelation 20:9-10.
00:40:29.62\00:40:33.02
People put those in
controversy with each other
00:40:33.05\00:40:35.94
but we are going to
clear that up and see
00:40:35.97\00:40:37.76
and help you see that
there is no controversy
00:40:37.79\00:40:41.54
between verse 9 and verse 10.
00:40:41.57\00:40:42.95
Notice verse 9 of Revelation 20
00:40:42.98\00:40:46.52
"Then they went up on
the breadth of the earth
00:40:46.55\00:40:48.31
and surrounded the camp of
the saints and the beloved city.
00:40:48.34\00:40:52.57
And fire came down from God
00:40:52.60\00:40:54.98
out of heaven
and devoured them."
00:40:55.01\00:40:58.88
The word devoured there
00:40:58.91\00:41:00.01
is another word for
the word consumed them,
00:41:00.04\00:41:04.38
or you want to keep
going further, annihilated.
00:41:04.41\00:41:07.72
And when you look
at the Bible writers
00:41:07.75\00:41:09.78
each of them does his part
to give us an amplification
00:41:09.81\00:41:15.49
of what happens
here but some people say,
00:41:15.52\00:41:17.53
well, if they were devoured
then why include a verse 10.
00:41:17.56\00:41:20.76
Let's go and look at verse 10.
00:41:20.79\00:41:23.11
Let's start with the
first character there.
00:41:23.14\00:41:24.65
"And the devil who deceived them
00:41:24.68\00:41:27.62
was cast into the
lake of fire and brimstone,
00:41:27.65\00:41:30.22
where the beast and
the false prophet are,
00:41:30.25\00:41:33.14
and they will be tormented day
and night for ever and ever."
00:41:33.17\00:41:36.99
And so you see here
and let's go to verse 14,
00:41:37.02\00:41:40.19
"Then death and Hades was cast
00:41:40.22\00:41:41.81
into the lake of
fire or death and hell,
00:41:41.84\00:41:43.85
this is the second death".
00:41:43.88\00:41:45.36
Now let's look at the process.
00:41:45.39\00:41:47.78
First of all those
who surround the city
00:41:47.81\00:41:52.77
fire comes down from
heaven and devours them,
00:41:52.80\00:41:55.54
then the devil, the
beast and the false prophets
00:41:55.57\00:41:58.33
are cast into the same fire,
00:41:58.36\00:42:00.36
in other words they are
now inflicted by this fire
00:42:00.39\00:42:03.25
and the results are their
torment is obviously longer
00:42:03.28\00:42:07.11
because they will be tormented
day and night for ever and ever.
00:42:07.14\00:42:10.39
But notice something else.
00:42:10.42\00:42:11.74
It says now finally
after all that is done,
00:42:11.77\00:42:14.18
then death itself
and hell it's in itself
00:42:14.21\00:42:18.24
is going to
experience the second death.
00:42:18.27\00:42:20.80
So even hell, even the grave,
00:42:20.83\00:42:23.90
even death itself is
going to be destroyed
00:42:23.93\00:42:26.52
and to verify that 1
Corinthians 55, Paul says,
00:42:26.55\00:42:32.37
"The last enemy that
shall be destroyed is death."
00:42:32.40\00:42:36.63
So even death
itself is going to die.
00:42:36.66\00:42:38.37
Even that death itself
is going to be destroyed
00:42:38.40\00:42:40.90
but it's not
going to be destroyed
00:42:40.93\00:42:42.47
before it is accomplished
00:42:42.50\00:42:45.16
the wiping out of all
sin and all sinners for ever.
00:42:45.19\00:42:50.14
Now, I want to go all
way to the ultimate nemesis,
00:42:50.17\00:42:53.92
I'm going to use that word here.
00:42:53.95\00:42:55.20
Go with me to
Ezekiel 28, Ezekiel 28.
00:42:55.23\00:42:59.63
And here is the
question I'm going to pose
00:42:59.66\00:43:01.61
because lot of
people tend to forget
00:43:01.64\00:43:03.68
this guy is included
in the picture here, John.
00:43:03.71\00:43:06.09
And they always say,
00:43:06.12\00:43:07.15
well, there are going to
be people in the lake of fire
00:43:07.18\00:43:09.07
burning for ever and ever
and being tormented and tortured
00:43:09.10\00:43:12.38
and it's going to
be screams going up
00:43:12.41\00:43:15.13
for ever and ever
and ever and ever.
00:43:15.16\00:43:17.14
And there is going
to be gnashing of teeth
00:43:17.17\00:43:18.91
and we are using all
this biblical language,
00:43:18.94\00:43:21.71
but what we are saying is
it's going to come to an end
00:43:21.74\00:43:23.74
assuredly as the
person I'm going to point out
00:43:23.77\00:43:26.83
is going to come to an end.
00:43:26.86\00:43:28.23
Read for us and
read this slowly.
00:43:28.26\00:43:32.53
Verses 17 down to verse
19 in Ezekiel 28, all right.
00:43:32.56\00:43:39.85
"Your heart was lifted
up because of your beauty,
00:43:39.88\00:43:43.43
You corrupted your wisdom
for the sake of your splendor.
00:43:43.46\00:43:47.09
I cast you to the
ground I led you before kings,
00:43:47.12\00:43:50.20
that they might gaze at you.
00:43:50.23\00:43:52.31
You defiled your sanctuaries
00:43:52.34\00:43:53.93
by the multitude
of your iniquities,
00:43:53.96\00:43:56.02
by the iniquity of your trading,
00:43:56.05\00:43:58.10
therefore I brought fire from
your midst, it devoured you,
00:43:58.13\00:44:03.57
and I turned you to
ashes upon the earth
00:44:03.60\00:44:07.15
in the sight of all
who saw you." Keep going.
00:44:07.18\00:44:09.86
"All who knew you
00:44:09.89\00:44:11.61
among the peoples
are astonished at you,
00:44:11.64\00:44:14.70
You have become a horror,
and shall be no more forever."
00:44:14.73\00:44:19.83
Okay, okay. Now who
is that referring to.
00:44:19.86\00:44:23.24
If you go back to verse
14 you will see clearly,
00:44:23.27\00:44:27.31
he is talking about Lucifer.
00:44:27.34\00:44:29.09
You were the
anointed cherub of that covet.
00:44:29.12\00:44:31.74
You were on in
the garden of God.
00:44:31.77\00:44:33.72
You were
perfect in all your ways
00:44:33.75\00:44:35.64
in the day that I created you
until iniquity was found in you.
00:44:35.67\00:44:38.80
See, God is talking
about the ultimate end of Satan
00:44:38.83\00:44:41.96
once known as Lucifer.
00:44:41.99\00:44:43.97
Isaiah 14 says "How art thou
fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,
00:44:44.00\00:44:46.74
son of the morning you
who weaken the nations."
00:44:46.77\00:44:49.37
So the reason why the
earth is in the condition of sin
00:44:49.40\00:44:51.08
is because Satan
weakened the nations,
00:44:51.11\00:44:53.00
however that
weakening of the nations
00:44:53.03\00:44:55.05
is going to come to an end
when Satan comes to an end.
00:44:55.08\00:44:58.30
And the Bible says how is
he going to come to an end,
00:44:58.33\00:45:00.48
the fire that's going to
come forth from the midst of him
00:45:00.51\00:45:02.73
is going to devour
him and not only that
00:45:02.76\00:45:05.41
he is going to
become ashes up on the earth
00:45:05.44\00:45:09.29
in the sight of
all those who saw him
00:45:09.32\00:45:11.50
and then it says,
because he has become a horror,
00:45:11.53\00:45:14.62
he shall be no more for ever.
00:45:14.65\00:45:17.67
So, here is my point as
death is going to come to an end
00:45:17.70\00:45:21.28
and sin is going
to come to an end,
00:45:21.31\00:45:23.04
Satan is going
to come to an end,
00:45:23.07\00:45:24.53
we have our reference to that,
00:45:24.56\00:45:26.23
so also sinners are
not going to be burning
00:45:26.26\00:45:28.46
for ever and ever
and ever and ever.
00:45:28.49\00:45:30.53
So when you read the
references in Revelation
00:45:30.56\00:45:32.40
about for ever and ever
tormented day and night.
00:45:32.43\00:45:35.62
Yes, when the world is on fire
00:45:35.65\00:45:38.16
and multiple millions
maybe the billions of the ages
00:45:38.19\00:45:41.64
because remember now, John,
this is the second resurrection.
00:45:41.67\00:45:45.79
If you go back from-- and
I'm just using this loosely,
00:45:45.82\00:45:48.22
I don't know
what the outcome is.
00:45:48.25\00:45:49.77
But if you go back to
the days of Cain and Abel.
00:45:49.80\00:45:52.97
Sinners that did not
accept the cavern of salvation
00:45:53.00\00:45:56.83
from then and all the
way to the very end of time
00:45:56.86\00:45:59.75
and we could say
multiple billions
00:45:59.78\00:46:02.66
when the fires of
heaven are caste to the earth,
00:46:02.69\00:46:06.43
it's going to be a
massive huge conflagration.
00:46:06.46\00:46:09.91
I can even use the word
fire that sounds too small,
00:46:09.94\00:46:12.55
it's going to be an
all out unquenchable fire
00:46:12.58\00:46:15.43
that's going to
purify and cleanse the earth
00:46:15.46\00:46:17.76
of sin and sinners for ever.
00:46:17.79\00:46:20.08
And this is another point
that we have to make here,
00:46:20.11\00:46:21.96
we've to emphasize this.
00:46:21.99\00:46:23.02
The fire is on the
earth. There you go.
00:46:23.05\00:46:27.16
The fire is not in a
place beneath the earth.
00:46:27.19\00:46:30.85
The fire isn't
in some other place
00:46:30.88\00:46:32.73
because it's got a dual purpose,
00:46:32.76\00:46:35.27
it not only destroys the
wicked we just read that.
00:46:35.30\00:46:38.71
But it cleanses the
earth from all semblance of sin
00:46:38.74\00:46:42.22
and obviously it destroys
forever death itself in grave
00:46:42.25\00:46:47.41
and the grave hades. Very clear.
00:46:47.44\00:46:49.67
So, if the fire is on the
earth and we as God's people
00:46:49.70\00:46:55.67
live from that point on
a new earth, new created,
00:46:55.70\00:47:00.38
how can anyone teach
00:47:00.41\00:47:02.23
that the fire
continues on for ever and ever.
00:47:02.26\00:47:06.20
You would be living in your
new house on a beautiful hill
00:47:06.23\00:47:10.51
and are you are
saying that right next to you
00:47:10.54\00:47:12.42
a fire is burning
with people going,
00:47:12.45\00:47:16.42
I mean that's not heaven,
00:47:16.45\00:47:18.80
I mean that's not a
beautiful glorious new earth.
00:47:18.83\00:47:22.43
Where only righteousness
dwells. Right, get this point.
00:47:22.46\00:47:27.24
The fire it comes
from heaven on to the earth
00:47:27.27\00:47:30.21
to cleanse the earth
and it destroy sinners.
00:47:30.24\00:47:32.05
It can't burn for ever
00:47:32.08\00:47:33.47
because God is doing
something else on the earth
00:47:33.50\00:47:35.46
after it quench or not
quench after it's done its work.
00:47:35.49\00:47:38.93
That's right.
00:47:38.96\00:47:39.99
When you see the
terms unquenchable fire
00:47:40.02\00:47:43.05
or the fire lasts for ever
00:47:43.08\00:47:45.39
it's speaking of the
thoroughness of its work.
00:47:45.42\00:47:48.86
That's right.
00:47:48.89\00:47:49.92
The unquenchable is
you cannot put it out,
00:47:49.95\00:47:52.62
it doesn't mean that it
will not one day go out.
00:47:52.65\00:47:55.87
It will go out eventually,
00:47:55.90\00:47:58.58
when it finishes its
work, when it says for ever.
00:47:58.61\00:48:01.47
One thing that, you know, we
read these English words, John,
00:48:01.50\00:48:04.32
and we don't understand
what's associated with them.
00:48:04.35\00:48:08.08
When you read
terms like for ever,
00:48:08.11\00:48:10.28
it's a description of
something or some one,
00:48:10.31\00:48:14.61
it tied to it is an element
of what that thing presents.
00:48:14.64\00:48:20.04
In other words,
when he is talking
00:48:20.07\00:48:22.06
about something immortal
00:48:22.09\00:48:24.03
for ever is as
long as mortal lives.
00:48:24.06\00:48:28.10
If we are talking about
something immortal like God
00:48:28.13\00:48:31.63
for ever is eternity
because God is immortal.
00:48:31.66\00:48:37.15
So when it the fire
destroys these people
00:48:37.18\00:48:39.78
when it says they
will be tormented for ever
00:48:39.81\00:48:42.47
and ever day and
night, it's saying
00:48:42.50\00:48:44.27
that they will be
tormented continually
00:48:44.30\00:48:47.07
until the fire
devours them as mortal beings
00:48:47.10\00:48:51.66
until the fire
finishes devouring them,
00:48:51.69\00:48:55.04
they will be tormented.
00:48:55.07\00:48:56.93
And you know
another example Jude,
00:48:56.96\00:48:59.68
you have the verse
there in Jude may be
00:48:59.71\00:49:02.84
but it talks
about Jude suffered.
00:49:02.87\00:49:05.34
You mean, Sodom
and Gomorrah suffered-
00:49:05.37\00:49:06.99
Jude said, Sodom
and Gomorrah suffered
00:49:07.02\00:49:09.04
the vengeance of
the eternal fire.
00:49:09.07\00:49:14.44
Eternal as long as it lasted.
00:49:14.47\00:49:16.47
Because we know that Sodom and
Gomorrah are not burning again.
00:49:16.50\00:49:18.48
No, they are not burning now.
00:49:18.51\00:49:19.68
So, anyway I just want
to give you description
00:49:19.71\00:49:21.53
when you read those
words, can understand
00:49:21.56\00:49:23.35
what's behind the English word,
00:49:23.38\00:49:25.49
that we were
reading there is more to it.
00:49:25.52\00:49:27.60
And a couple of
examples you find also
00:49:27.63\00:49:30.01
in the Book of Exodus
21:6 speaking of service,
00:49:30.04\00:49:34.92
"Then his master shall
bring him unto the judges,
00:49:34.95\00:49:38.44
he shall also
bring him to the door
00:49:38.47\00:49:40.23
or to the
doorpost and his master
00:49:40.26\00:49:42.85
shall pierce his ear with an awl
00:49:42.88\00:49:46.41
and he shall
serve him for ever."
00:49:46.44\00:49:49.64
Now, when it
speaks about service
00:49:49.67\00:49:52.67
between the
master and the slave,
00:49:52.70\00:49:54.62
he says he will
serve him for ever.
00:49:54.65\00:49:55.98
Well, is he is
still serving him today?
00:49:56.01\00:49:57.53
No, he severed
him as long he lived.
00:49:57.56\00:49:59.86
There is another example,
00:49:59.89\00:50:01.20
and they spoke to
him in 1 Kings 12:7,
00:50:01.23\00:50:03.82
"If you will be a
servant to this people today,
00:50:03.85\00:50:06.52
and serve them and answer them
00:50:06.55\00:50:08.82
and speak good words to them,
00:50:08.85\00:50:10.78
then they will be
your servants for ever."
00:50:10.81\00:50:13.99
Wow, I would
dare say that the king
00:50:14.02\00:50:17.52
that was spoken
of in 1 Kings 12:7
00:50:17.55\00:50:20.97
he is not being
served still to this very day
00:50:21.00\00:50:23.88
but as long he lived.
00:50:23.91\00:50:25.38
And this is one
thing, John, that is so often
00:50:25.41\00:50:27.19
left out of the
equation is that,
00:50:27.22\00:50:32.27
this simple text
that we have repeated
00:50:32.30\00:50:35.47
throughout the centuries.
00:50:35.50\00:50:37.91
Come on, are you
ready, here we go.
00:50:37.94\00:50:39.62
"For God so loved the world
00:50:39.65\00:50:40.68
that He gave His
only begotten Son,
00:50:40.71\00:50:42.28
that whoever believeth
in Him should not perish,
00:50:42.31\00:50:46.85
but have everlasting life."
00:50:46.88\00:50:48.98
Two dichotomy,
two opposite things.
00:50:49.01\00:50:54.18
And so, the question is,
00:50:54.21\00:50:55.79
do the wicked
have everlasting life.
00:50:55.82\00:50:58.43
How could the wicked who
do not have everlasting life,
00:50:58.46\00:51:02.65
the ability to live for ever.
00:51:02.68\00:51:04.78
How could they burn for ever,
it is completely impossible.
00:51:04.81\00:51:08.83
God would have to
keep them alive for ever
00:51:08.86\00:51:12.75
to bring them for ever. Right?
00:51:12.78\00:51:16.26
God would have to
keep them alive for ever
00:51:16.29\00:51:17.63
to bring them for ever
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that would make God a
tormentor, a torturer.
00:51:18.72\00:51:21.64
Okay, so let's go and
answer the next question.
00:51:21.67\00:51:22.78
God is not, so let's go
and answer the next question
00:51:22.81\00:51:25.87
that we know it's out there.
00:51:25.90\00:51:27.34
We know that this
has been a supposition.
00:51:27.37\00:51:30.39
People will say
well it's their souls
00:51:30.42\00:51:32.56
that are burning for
ever, not the bodies.
00:51:32.59\00:51:35.29
Well my friend you
have to keep in mind,
00:51:35.32\00:51:38.83
a soul withering and crying out.
00:51:38.86\00:51:44.03
No, you don't burn
an ethereal non entity
00:51:44.06\00:51:48.76
something without dimension
and in minds of many people
00:51:48.79\00:51:52.52
in the
neoplatonistic view of the soul
00:51:52.55\00:51:58.55
they believe that
there is some separate entity
00:51:58.58\00:52:00.34
that leaves the body,
so you can't even fit that
00:52:00.37\00:52:03.35
into the scenario
because in order for them
00:52:03.38\00:52:05.35
to be weeping and gnashing
of teeth has to be a body.
00:52:05.38\00:52:08.69
Not only that,
Jesus himself said
00:52:08.72\00:52:12.13
that in that fire
the soul would perish.
00:52:12.16\00:52:15.31
Ezekiel 18, "The soul
that sinneth, it shall die."
00:52:15.34\00:52:18.98
But also, that he
says that the God is able
00:52:19.01\00:52:21.12
to destroy both
body and soul in hell.
00:52:21.15\00:52:25.08
Matthew 10:28, Matthew 10:28.
00:52:25.11\00:52:31.38
And so you clearly
see what is meant by that,
00:52:31.41\00:52:34.92
what is meant
by that is clearly.
00:52:34.95\00:52:37.99
How, how thorough the Bible is.
00:52:38.02\00:52:39.97
It says in Matthew 10:28.
00:52:40.00\00:52:41.89
"And do not fear
those who kill the body
00:52:41.92\00:52:43.84
but cannot kill the
soul, but rather fear him
00:52:43.87\00:52:46.77
who is able to destroy
both soul and body in hell."
00:52:46.80\00:52:50.26
And the Greek word there
is Gehenna, the lake of fire.
00:52:50.29\00:52:54.03
That's right. So the
soul would be destroyed there.
00:52:54.06\00:52:56.18
So, you define the soul
as some ethereal thing sorry,
00:52:56.21\00:52:58.96
still going to be destroyed.
00:52:58.99\00:53:00.02
No matter what you define it
as, it's going to be destroyed.
00:53:00.05\00:53:02.81
Okay, well, well,
where do we go from here.
00:53:02.84\00:53:06.51
Let's go to the next
one. Hit on a few things.
00:53:06.54\00:53:09.66
What's the next
passage we would like to have
00:53:09.69\00:53:11.50
in reference to this?
00:53:11.53\00:53:13.57
Well, I think, I
think one of the things
00:53:13.60\00:53:15.14
that we need to
do is define here,
00:53:15.17\00:53:17.78
you touched on already.
00:53:17.81\00:53:19.34
The difference between
those who receive eternal life
00:53:19.37\00:53:22.41
and those who
receive punishment in hell,
00:53:22.44\00:53:24.16
because there is a couple other
questions that exist there.
00:53:24.19\00:53:27.93
You know, we have
said that if you are wicked
00:53:27.96\00:53:30.72
and you are tossed
into the lake of fire,
00:53:30.75\00:53:32.29
you will be consumed,
you will be no more for ever.
00:53:32.32\00:53:34.41
That's right.
00:53:34.44\00:53:35.83
But, the last
question that hangs out there
00:53:35.86\00:53:38.08
is so then everybody
gets destroyed in an instant,
00:53:38.11\00:53:41.91
I mean what's the
justice in that? Okay.
00:53:41.94\00:53:44.32
Because I mean
one of the things is.
00:53:44.35\00:53:48.02
So someone has been living
00:53:48.05\00:53:49.22
a pretty good
life all their life,
00:53:49.25\00:53:51.45
they rejected Christ don't
want anything to do with Him,
00:53:51.48\00:53:54.08
they don't believe in him
00:53:54.11\00:53:55.42
but they generally have
treated people pretty well
00:53:55.45\00:53:57.67
next to some one
who is a murderer.
00:53:57.70\00:54:00.95
Serial killer.
00:54:00.98\00:54:02.04
Yes, serial killer or even one
00:54:02.07\00:54:03.37
who has been a leader of
killing millions as we know,
00:54:03.40\00:54:05.70
a Hitler or someone
00:54:05.73\00:54:07.26
and they are going to be
poof and they are gone to,
00:54:07.29\00:54:09.43
that's not really what
the Bible says. Exactly.
00:54:09.46\00:54:12.36
There will be a punishment
in this and don't forget this,
00:54:12.39\00:54:16.25
we skipped over this verse
and I want to quote it there.
00:54:16.28\00:54:20.69
Revelation 20:11 in the middle
of this lake of fire description
00:54:20.72\00:54:26.88
we find these two verses
which are very important.
00:54:26.91\00:54:30.70
"Then I saw a great white throne
00:54:30.73\00:54:35.27
and him who was seated on it,
00:54:35.30\00:54:36.98
from whose face the
earth and the heaven fled away,
00:54:37.01\00:54:40.09
and there was
found no place for them."
00:54:40.12\00:54:42.23
In other words there is no
place for the wicked to go.
00:54:42.26\00:54:45.29
That's right.
00:54:45.32\00:54:46.72
"And I saw the dead, small
and great, standing before God."
00:54:46.75\00:54:50.53
That was the wicked
that now had been raised,
00:54:50.56\00:54:53.09
"And books were opened
and another book was open
00:54:53.12\00:54:58.06
which is the book of life
00:54:58.09\00:54:59.80
and the dead were judged
according to their works."
00:54:59.83\00:55:02.41
Now notice the works are not
recorded in the book of life,
00:55:02.44\00:55:04.85
only whether or
not you are registered
00:55:04.88\00:55:06.21
as a citizen of heaven. Right.
00:55:06.24\00:55:08.18
The works are recorded
in the books that were open,
00:55:08.21\00:55:11.23
the books that
recorded their life experience
00:55:11.26\00:55:14.55
and it says by the things
which were written in the books
00:55:14.58\00:55:17.59
they were judged. All
right, now look at this.
00:55:17.62\00:55:20.98
"The sea gave up
the dead who were in it,
00:55:21.01\00:55:23.58
Death and Hades
delivered up the dead
00:55:23.61\00:55:25.45
who were in them, that is
delivered them to judgment
00:55:25.48\00:55:28.01
and they were judged, each
one according to his works."
00:55:28.04\00:55:32.33
The reason why we
don't have to go through
00:55:32.36\00:55:33.63
that John is
because we are judged
00:55:33.66\00:55:35.41
according to the
works of Christ. Right.
00:55:35.44\00:55:38.07
Christ life has been substituted
in place of our life.
00:55:38.10\00:55:41.94
Our works are bad stuff,
our sins are not even seen,
00:55:41.97\00:55:45.83
they are not even
brought into evidence.
00:55:45.86\00:55:47.25
Praise God for that.
00:55:47.28\00:55:48.42
We are equated because of what
00:55:48.45\00:55:50.48
Christ has done for us,
00:55:50.51\00:55:51.58
we've expected
his life in our place.
00:55:51.61\00:55:54.42
But the wicked only
have their works to stand on.
00:55:54.45\00:55:57.98
And they are finally
judged according to their works.
00:55:58.01\00:56:00.92
And then it says that they
were cast into the lake of fire.
00:56:00.95\00:56:04.93
So, the issue here is
that there is a judgment
00:56:04.96\00:56:08.10
that determines their faith
00:56:08.13\00:56:11.47
and I think although
not explicitly said here,
00:56:11.50\00:56:14.14
the indication is that
they will receive a punishment
00:56:14.17\00:56:17.57
in accordance with the
bad things they have done.
00:56:17.60\00:56:21.25
Like the severity
of their punishment
00:56:21.28\00:56:22.62
will be determined by
the severity of their sin.
00:56:22.65\00:56:24.44
The punishment fits the crime.
00:56:24.47\00:56:26.19
There you go, wonderfully said.
00:56:26.22\00:56:27.97
So Hitler will burn longer,
00:56:28.00\00:56:30.37
than some one
who is not a murderer
00:56:30.40\00:56:32.83
and someone who does
heinous things like he did.
00:56:32.86\00:56:35.71
Like the guy that went
to the Five and Dime store
00:56:35.74\00:56:37.68
and held it up and got
shot in an ensuing battle
00:56:37.71\00:56:42.80
between the police,
you know alive for a life.
00:56:42.83\00:56:45.92
But, his sin not being forgiven,
00:56:45.95\00:56:49.25
he will have face
that in the judgment.
00:56:49.28\00:56:51.07
But, he would not
face the same punishment
00:56:51.10\00:56:52.72
and no judicial
system would do that.
00:56:52.75\00:56:55.02
Give the person
the same punishment
00:56:55.05\00:56:56.90
and God is a just God
00:56:56.93\00:56:58.34
and the Bible
says in Revelation 17.
00:56:58.37\00:57:00.11
"All your judgments are just,
00:57:00.14\00:57:02.11
everything you decided
is right and righteous."
00:57:02.14\00:57:04.85
That's right, Amen.
00:57:04.88\00:57:06.05
So, friends you know this topic
00:57:06.08\00:57:07.63
that has come to us courtesy
of God's word is a topic
00:57:07.66\00:57:12.24
that can give us the assurance
and here is the assurance.
00:57:12.27\00:57:15.74
"Behold, I come quickly
and my reward is with me,
00:57:15.77\00:57:18.79
to give to every man
according to his work."
00:57:18.82\00:57:23.73
If you don't want to
fear the judgment coming,
00:57:23.76\00:57:25.67
the only way to avoid that
00:57:25.70\00:57:27.53
is to have Jesus
Christ as your advocate.
00:57:27.56\00:57:29.97
May God bless you and
accept Him into your life today.
00:57:30.00\00:57:34.01