Hello friends, grab
your Bible and a friend
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and sit back as
we explore God's word
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together on this
edition of House Calls.
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Well, friends,
welcome to another House Calls
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program where we
start on our excursion
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again in the word
of God studying what he
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wants us to study
and believing by his
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spirit that we're
sharing with you what he
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wants us to
share with you. My name
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is John Lomacang
and I'm John Stanton,
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Pastors. Both
pastors, that's right,
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it's great to be with
you here on this program.
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Another exciting
program John that we are
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doing on Spiritualism.
That's right, it's a very,
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it's amazing topic
because it goes so deep
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and so rooted in
what's happening today,
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that people are
sometimes are unaware of
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the victimization that's
happening in their church.
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In their own lives
and in their homes on this
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very foundational
topic Spiritualism.
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Very, very true and
especially with regard
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to what we're talking
about here the importance
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of God's word and
knowing the truth in these
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days in which we live.
I believe we're living in
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the last days.
That's right and so for us
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to be able to
strengthen you today,
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we're gonna ask
that you would, you keep
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your mind set, hit
that record button and
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press play, invite
your friends and families
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to sit down and
we're gonna walk through
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this together,
but John, let's begin
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with prayer. Let's do that.
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Our Father in
Heaven, we're so thankful
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again to have an
opportunity to come before
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your throne and
to seek you face and
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to ask for the Holy
Spirit to fill us and
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to guide and lead
us through your word
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or be with each one
not only both of us who
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are presenting
the topic of the day,
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but Lord we pray
that you should be with
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each here of your
word today as well,
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in Jesus name, amen, amen.
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You know you always
send Bible questions
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to us, some of you
have sent questions
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before and some
of you are thinking
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Calls program
or Bible questions.
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John, this is a, this
is a day and age where
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the Bible is so
relevant that we have to
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bring its relevancy
back and so that's why
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this program is
based on the foundation
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and when people
send question in,
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I think they send
legitimate questions.
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Some are repeated
questions, but all I
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think are concerns
of the people that's in
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the mail. What do
you have for us today?
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Well I've got a
question here from Scarlet
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and she's got a
question that I know are
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on a lot of people's
minds here especially
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when we see the
economy really feeling and
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you know it's a real
challenge to our families.
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We've seen the
national disasters,
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more and more
frequently in the world today.
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And so many are
sensing that we are
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living in the last
days and so this question
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comes from this
Scarlet who is asking some
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serious questions
here. She says, she was
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listening to a
recent DVD sermon and I
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won't mention who
this sermon was presented
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by. But this
speaker said that the U.S.
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was in for an economic
fall. An economic crash
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here, this fall
which is of 2008 and that
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money will become
non void, Sunday laws
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would be passed, drop
whatever you're doing,
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got to head to the
mountains, if you miss out
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on the short window
of time. You'll be stuck
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in the cities and
you'll go through persecution
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and other things.
Anyway this is the gist
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of what he said
on his DVD. Okay.
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Really causing a lot
of angst and anxiety,
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you know from
anyone who would view that
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program. And she
says here that she's a
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believer in Bible
Prophesy. She knows that
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the end is coming,
but that for the sake of
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practicality, how do
we handle these issues
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and these things
coming upon the world
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in the last days.
And here are some of
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the things she
said? Where do we go,
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do we jump on
our cars, do we walk,
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if we can't use
money and you know how
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do we get gas
even to fill our car,
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and if we have
underage children that
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are in school, I
mean do we, do we pick
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them up or do we
leave, so there's issues
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with the family
there. Advise for those as
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far as our savings
now, what should we do
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with our savings.
Shall we be getting rid
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of that now and
putting it into God's work.
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And then, any way
there are lot of things
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here talked about a
quote that we're all
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very familiar with
about being without an
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intercessor. In
these last days for a
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period of time
how can we do that,
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you know is God gonna
leave us to ourselves.
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So Scarlet, lets
get, lets put this into a
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better context.
Right. Okay lets put the
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time of trouble
into a better context.
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I'm gonna read for
you a couple of things
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from books that you
may, many of you maybe
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familiar with before
you'll probably recognize
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the title. The first
one is from Early Writings.
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There's a couple of
pages that I'll read
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some statements
from, the first one is from
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page 33. It says,
I saw that God had
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children who do not
see and keep the Sabbath.
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They don't know the
truth about the Sabbath
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at this point. They
have not rejected the
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light upon it and at
the commencement of the
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time of trouble, we
were filled with a holy
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ghost and we went
forth and proclaimed
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the Sabbath more
fully. So we didn't run to
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the hills or we
don't run to the hills,
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we go actually
toward those who need the
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message. That's
right. And the book goes
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on to say here, the
commencement of that
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time of trouble, I'm
reading from page 85 now,
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here mentioned does
not refer to the time
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when the plague shall
begin to be poured out,
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but to a short period
of time before they're
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poured out. Well,
Christ is in the sanctuary
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speaking of the
early time of trouble.
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Well, the time of
trouble John where God's
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mercy is still open
to save and to reach the
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lost. Now, as I
think about that, when the
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time of trouble comes
prior to any Sunday Law
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or any laws passed
against the true worship
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of God, there
will be some calamity,
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some devastation
that's happening or things
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are failing all
around us. We won that to
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ramp up our
preaching and our testimony
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to the world. And
that means going into
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the cities, not living
the cities, but going to
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reach the people.
And I think sometimes we
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have this incorrect
prospective where as
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when the trouble
comes hey let's bail.
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Exactly, where I
think what God is calling us
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to do as his people
is get to the people,
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you know reach the
people. This early time
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of trouble or this
time of trouble where
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probation is still
open, is a time for hearts
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to change. For God
to reach people who,
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who feel like
everything is just fine and
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don't have a desire
for Godly things or God
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himself and we're
to reach them, because
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they're facing death
and maybe it's a time
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where they would
listen where other times
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or times before the
calamity comes they're
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just closed out to
that gospel. So it's not
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a time to run, it's
a time to preach and
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to share the
message. That's good,
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you know how will
people hear unless there's
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a preacher. The
Bible says whosoever shall
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call upon the name
of the Lord shall be
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saved, but how
will they hear without a
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preacher. And how
will one preach unless
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he is sent and so
at that time it's truly
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gonna be said
blessed is he who comes in
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the name of the
Lord, because people are
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gonna be looking
for an answer to the
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perplexities in our
world and they're gonna
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say somebody has
the answer, somebody
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has the message. So
as John pointed out,
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the time of
trouble is a gradual time,
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I would like it
similar to a hurricane.
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You know, you get the forecast,
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they're following
it, they're tracking it,
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it's building up
stream, it's going over warm
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waters and then
everybody's either deciding
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what role am I going
to playing during this
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time, so there is
gonna be a time to stand
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firmly and secure
the things that you have
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and make sure that
when the storm hits in
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it's intensity
that you have made the
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decisions to act at
that particular time.
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We're not saying that
time has hit even yet.
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No not yet. We're
still seeing just the early,
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the early parts
of this, but there is
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gonna be such
major calamity, I mean
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thousands of
cities she says wiped out.
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Right. During this
early time prior to
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probation close, so
we'll know when that
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early time of
trouble that beginning of the
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time of trouble
happens. And it's time to
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preach the word. Now
this is an interesting
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part too. I'm just
gonna read you from
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another quote here,
it's from Manuscript
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Releases number 19, page 282.
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It says in the
last days and this is an
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amazing thing. You
really got to write this
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quote down. In the
last days Satan will
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appear as an angel
of light, with great
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power and heavenly
glory, and claim to
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be the Lord of the whole earth.
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If you wanna read
about that go to 2nd
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Thessalonians
chapter 2 which talks about
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the combination of
Satan's first plan from Isaiah
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14 and 12 to 14 we
see the reality of that
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happening in
2nd Thessalonians 2.
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It says here, he will
declare that the Sabbath
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has been changed
from the seventh to the
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first day of the
week, and as Lord of the
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first day of the
week he will present this
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spurious Sabbath as a
test of loyalty to him.
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Then will take place
the final fulfillment of the
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Revelator's
Prophesy. So what we find
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there is an amazing
thing John that Satan
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himself personating
Christ calls for the
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passing of the
Sunday Law. Now I'm
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not saying that we
aren't steer stepping up
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to that point. You
brought up a very good
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thing. Where we're
seeing it ushered in.
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Right. You know
things are happening
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behind the doors
and I'm sure that ground
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work is being laid,
but when the time of,
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when the time
comes for that law to be
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passed and by the
way when it's passed
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then we flee to the
mountains not before.
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But when that is
passed then at that time
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Satan is already
here. He's already involved
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and so some
amazing things we can learn
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there that here the
time of trouble comes,
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we're preaching
the word that preaching
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gets stronger and
stronger, Satan appears
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to personate Christ,
his push gets stronger
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and stronger
culminating in a law that's
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passed to persecute
and to kill those who are
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obeying that
commandment and then
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we get into a
situation where we're fleeing
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to the mountains.
So sometimes we have
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a little, a little
backwards there. And I just
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wanted to clarify
that because there is
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no reason for
anxiety, there's no reason
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for figuring this all
at the beginning of time
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and you know
what, John I mean you
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and I have said
this before, we've,
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we've shared this
truth for sometime now.
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We maybe wrong.
You know there maybe
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little things that
we've shared that the
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prospective that we
have is not right that's
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okay, but I think to
a great degree generally
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we're gonna see a
time of trouble where
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God's hand of
mercy is open to save,
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but he has his
people in place to do that
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last final
preaching, the 144,000 to give
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that message of
salvation to the world.
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And we're told that
we ought to do what we
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can be a part of
that number. To be a part
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of God's last day
workers to bring the
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gospel and that last
message to the world.
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This, the hour, the
hour in which we live
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as a climate of
change. A climate of folks,
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things are not
staying the same. One week
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the stock market is very high,
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oh sorry one
week, one day, yeah.
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The stock markets
are next day very,
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very low. You know
we're seeing extremes
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in our day. We're
seeing extreme weather,
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we're seeing
extreme crime and violence.
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So the world is no
longer in that the eye
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of the storm. We're
on the, I think we are
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living somewhere
on the out of bands,
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so where ever that
band touches there is
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something fierce
that's following right on
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the hills of that.
When this person has
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put all the things
that we should do together
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in one sentence
or one paragraph,
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it almost goes from
nothing happening to
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mass hysteria.
Yeah, almost like boom,
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speakers turned
on and. Yeah, let's
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get out of here
everything is coming apart,
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because the stock
market is unstable and
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you know I can go
down a list of a whole
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lot of things that
can really make that
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unstable. But we
have a world where the
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number one focus
of the Lord is not so
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much to get us ready
for the time of trouble,
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but to prepare us
for the preaching of
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the gospel. Yes. Matthew 24:14,
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And this gospel of
the kingdom shall be
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preached in all the
world for a witness unto
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all nations; and
then shall the end come.
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So the Lord
ultimately has that last string,
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he can just pull
the bag and okay let's
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just let it all
happen now, because my plan
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for getting the
message to all humanity has
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been accomplished.
Now, we know John that
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people are more
willing to listen in times of
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tragedy than they are
in times of prosperity.
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September 11th is
one of the examples and
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a number of other
things that have happened
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after that. People
are poised to listen when
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they are at other
times their ears are turned
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away from it, even
wanting to hear it.
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So, so the calamities
will play a part not on
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the basis of
destruction, but on the basis
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of getting man's
attention. The Lord is speaking,
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we need to hear
what he's saying,
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these things have
come, we have no one
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to turn to. Let's
listen to God's answers
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and find a way out of
this. But those things
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that were mentioned
will eventually happen.
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That's right. It
just don't put the timing
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to it, because we
don't want to rush those
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things, but we do
want to be faithful and
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proclaiming the
gospel, getting ready for
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that time. You know
you have to ask yourself
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this question,
how self it would,
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how selfish would it
be for us to want to go
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heaven and to get
out of here and not take
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somebody with us.
I mean it's almost
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like you know we're
saying, Lord just get
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me out of here, so
I can be saved when
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God maybe saying
to us you know what I
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send you in the
world to save some others.
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I got to do that.
Let's fulfill that purpose
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first before in
take you out. And, so
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sometimes I think
even out prayers Lord
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come soon can be
selfish, because when
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Jesus himself we find
this in Peter specifically
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says that there's
time goes on because
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God is patient, long
suffering not willing
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that anybody would
perish. That's right.
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So our prayers
should be lo wait a little
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longer, so we can
reach some that are not
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saved today. That's
why this idea of the
00:14:19.29\00:14:21.39
secret rapture is
just so, I'm looking for
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the word here.
Perfunctory to me.
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That's a word to
look up, whether the
00:14:29.84\00:14:32.07
context was
appropriate or not you decide,
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but it's almost like
get me out of here before
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the bottom drops
out and whatever happens
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after I'm gone is not
my concern. The concern
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of the Christian is
not to be, not to be
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extracted or taken
out of here, but the
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Lord is going to
keep us to accomplish the
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design that he has
established. Now this is
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a text that's
encouraging here in Revelation 3
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and verse 10: Jesus
says, because you have
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kept My command to
persevere, I will also
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keep you from the
hour of trial which shall
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come upon the whole
world, to test those
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who dwell on the
earth. So there's an hour
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of trial that's
coming on the whole world,
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but you notice what
it says, the Lord didn't
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say I'll take out
before the hour of trial,
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he says I will keep
you from the hour of trial
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that shall come
upon the whole world and
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then Jesus later on
says Father, I do not
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pray that you'll take
them out of the world,
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but that you will
keep them. I do not pray
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that You take them
out, but that you keep
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them. When the
Lord takes us out of the
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world he's gonna
take us all out together
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and that's at his
second coming visible,
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literal, audible,
transforming the world
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all at one time.
Well thank you for the
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question John. I
have one here that let
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me see which one
I'm gonna answer first.
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The person begins
with the word sorry.
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Well I think it's a
good question. I don't think
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you will be sorry
for, but sorry for asking
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for such
question, but this is what,
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what's bothering me
lately, from Genesis 3
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verse 16 and John if
you could turn in the
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Bible to First
Timothy 2 and verse 11 and 12.
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I'm gonna turn to
Genesis chapter 3 verse 16.
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1st Timothy
chapter 2, verse 11 and 12.
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Okay, where is
Genesis they hide it from me,
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okay there it is in the
very beginning of the Bible.
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The book is
somewhere else. They moved it,
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here it is. You
wanna read that first?
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I'm gonna read that
first. Okay. And let me
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read the question so
we can get the context.
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It is clear to me
from Genesis 3:16 and
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1st Timothy 2, verse
11 and 12, that women
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are not equal with men
in teaching the gospel.
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Why then in our
churches as well as online
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or on TV women
are preaching and even
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some are called
pastors in my church for
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instance. Paul also
says that women should cover
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their head, why
we don't follow these
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recommendations,
why don't we follow this
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recommendation as well?
I'm far from suppressing
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or abusing women, I
adore women in respect
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of their wisdom
and knowledge, but how
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about what the word of God says.
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Alexander in
Toronto. Alexander, let me
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encourage you, its
not, the problem is not
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the women. That
made me cough there,
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don't go there. But
this is the first text that
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he sited. Genesis 3
verse 16, To the woman
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he said, I will greatly
multiply your sorrow and
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your conception; in
pain you shalt bring
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forth children;
your desire shall be for
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your husband, and
he shall rule over you.
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Yes, clearly the
Bible is in essence saying
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here the husband is
the head of the wife as
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Christ is the
head of the church.
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I'm putting this in the
context that Jesus intends.
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The husband is
the head of the wife,
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as Christ is the
head of the church.
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Now, let's put that
together. If the husband
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is the head of the
wife, he's ruling over her
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does it say that
only the husband has the
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call to proclaim the
gospel? No, not anymore
00:18:07.06\00:18:10.32
than only God has
the voice to proclaim the
00:18:10.52\00:18:12.71
gospel when he calls
his wife to do the preaching
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which is the
church. The woman, the bride
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as we talked
about on one of the past
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programs. The
woman who is described as
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the church in the
scripture is the one that's
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called to
proclaim the message forth.
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When Paul talked
about women covering
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their head and that's
1st Corinthians chapter 11,
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it was a custom
he was addressing,
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but if you read that
very carefully he says
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there is no such
custom in the churches of God.
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It was an issue of
contention. Now there
00:18:44.74\00:18:47.72
is some countries
where people will go
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including men and
we would have to follow
00:18:49.73\00:18:51.62
the customs of that
country to be respectful,
00:18:51.65\00:18:54.03
not so much to be,
to recognize that we are
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subservient or
we're less or we're less
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significant or we have no voice,
00:18:59.58\00:19:01.19
but now what do
you think so far and
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register that text
and let's go to the next
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part of this
question. Yes. Well yeah,
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I mean its very true
and I think there were
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a lot of customs
and you have to put
00:19:10.35\00:19:11.57
yourself in the
culture of the day whenever
00:19:11.63\00:19:14.54
you read this,
because one of the things
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that we often air
in that we, we bring
00:19:17.30\00:19:19.85
the old customs or
old culture into modern
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day society, when
that issue wasn't here
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and so I think
it's a very important,
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good point that you
bring up, one of the
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things that jumps
out at me immediately
00:19:28.76\00:19:30.54
when you know he was
talking about in this
00:19:30.61\00:19:33.03
question the first
part of it. And when we
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speaking in the
church and so forth.
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The first thing I
think about is the role of
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women in The New
Testament and how God
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called some to be
prophetesses and those
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who are
prophetesses you know what
00:19:46.99\00:19:49.19
they do, what
would be the word that
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they do. They
Prophesy, they Prophesy
00:19:50.26\00:19:52.11
and prophesying is
speaking a word from God
00:19:52.31\00:19:55.66
before the
church. Please remember
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Prophesy itself is
to edify the church.
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So she can't be a
prophetess and just
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think those things to
your self or write them
00:20:05.09\00:20:06.93
down I mean she is
prophesying, edifying the
00:20:06.96\00:20:10.04
church. It doesn't go
through, doesn't have to
00:20:10.07\00:20:12.52
be channeled
through a man and all these
00:20:12.62\00:20:13.96
things. She actually
is called as a prophetess
00:20:13.99\00:20:16.84
to be a prophet of
God, to Prophesy his word
00:20:16.90\00:20:20.89
before the church
to edify the church.
00:20:20.96\00:20:22.63
So clearly, if she's
speaking words from the
00:20:23.22\00:20:25.84
Lord and edifying
the church she has a role
00:20:25.97\00:20:28.25
of preaching. So
that's the first thing that
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comes to mind.
John, when we're dealing
00:20:31.69\00:20:33.75
with this part of
this question of why are
00:20:33.78\00:20:35.53
woman preaching or
speaking in front of the
00:20:35.58\00:20:37.18
church. I don't, I
don't see any and it will
00:20:37.24\00:20:39.72
be contradictory
for us to say that women
00:20:39.84\00:20:42.18
have keep silent,
yet God calls them to be
00:20:42.22\00:20:44.80
prophetesses. And I
think they are keeping
00:20:44.83\00:20:47.06
silent there it deals
with another issue which
00:20:47.13\00:20:48.81
you're probably gonna touch on.
00:20:48.84\00:20:49.94
Well do you know
its amazing and I'm not
00:20:49.97\00:20:52.73
saying this to be
condescending and all
00:20:52.79\00:20:54.61
because we all, you
are married, I'm married
00:20:54.64\00:20:57.43
and our wives.
Women are anything but
00:20:57.70\00:21:01.30
silent and God did
not call them to gag them.
00:21:01.74\00:21:05.57
No gag order on
women. That's right.
00:21:05.97\00:21:08.04
He has, Jesus has
enabled in The New Testament.
00:21:09.10\00:21:12.04
He has enabled all to
be involved in the work
00:21:12.11\00:21:16.23
of being a priest.
Now let's put this in the
00:21:16.26\00:21:19.65
context. 1st Peter
2:9 but you, speaking of
00:21:19.68\00:21:24.27
the church, but you
are a chosen generation,
00:21:24.30\00:21:27.40
a royal
priesthood, a holy nation,
00:21:28.08\00:21:30.29
his own special
people, that you may proclaim
00:21:30.77\00:21:34.20
the praises of him
who called you out of
00:21:34.86\00:21:36.62
darkness into his
marvelous life. Now one
00:21:36.67\00:21:39.19
of the ways of
proclaiming, you just touch
00:21:39.22\00:21:40.47
on this and I will
read the text in Acts 2:17,
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And it shall come to
pass in the last days
00:21:43.02\00:21:45.81
says God that I will
pour out of my Spirit
00:21:45.89\00:21:49.08
on how much flesh?
All flesh. Okay, didn't
00:21:49.17\00:21:51.73
say male flesh,
didn't say female it says on
00:21:51.79\00:21:54.62
all flesh. Your sons
and your daughters shall
00:21:54.71\00:22:00.93
prophesy. That's
right, but according to some
00:22:01.03\00:22:03.10
people say well only
the son shall prophesy.
00:22:03.13\00:22:05.33
You sons and
daughters shall prophesy,
00:22:05.92\00:22:08.46
your young men
shall see visions,
00:22:08.84\00:22:10.64
your old men shall dream dreams.
00:22:10.67\00:22:12.67
The word, prophesy
there means proclaim
00:22:12.72\00:22:15.19
and also preach
the message, but why is
00:22:15.28\00:22:17.72
that so widely
important. Once again
00:22:17.75\00:22:21.78
understand the
culture and this is the
00:22:21.83\00:22:23.42
most important
thing when Jesus came to
00:22:23.89\00:22:25.87
breakdown that
middle wall of partition.
00:22:25.99\00:22:28.01
I did a topic and
it's gonna come to me
00:22:29.17\00:22:31.35
here in just a
moment, but in many of the
00:22:31.38\00:22:32.99
Jewish temples
even still today and you
00:22:33.02\00:22:35.56
can look this up,
the way that the temples
00:22:35.59\00:22:37.16
are sometimes build.
There is a separating
00:22:37.19\00:22:39.53
wall between the
men and the women and
00:22:39.56\00:22:43.13
when Paul says
if a woman wants to,
00:22:43.19\00:22:44.71
if a woman wants to
learn something better
00:22:44.79\00:22:47.00
ask her husband
when he goes home.
00:22:47.06\00:22:48.66
There was a
middle wall between them.
00:22:49.07\00:22:50.57
The word right now
I'm missing that thought
00:22:50.60\00:22:52.69
right now, but
there was a middle wall
00:22:52.72\00:22:54.00
sometimes a
curtain, sometimes women were
00:22:54.06\00:22:56.41
called to sit in the
balcony, while the men
00:22:57.16\00:22:58.49
sat on the main
floor and in some Jewish
00:22:58.61\00:23:01.05
temples today its
still established that way.
00:23:01.10\00:23:03.16
The Lord wasn't
saying to them that you
00:23:03.62\00:23:05.39
haven an voice but
it was necessary in the
00:23:05.61\00:23:07.52
temple of worship
as they had established
00:23:07.55\00:23:09.58
in their own, in
their own economy that
00:23:09.61\00:23:13.01
don't shout down
to the husband if he's
00:23:13.45\00:23:16.17
in the balcony or
on the other side of
00:23:16.40\00:23:18.29
the curtain, on
this dividing partition.
00:23:18.32\00:23:20.48
But when Jesus came
Paul recognized that
00:23:20.94\00:23:23.90
this dividing
partition was no longer a part
00:23:24.36\00:23:26.83
of God's economy. You
were not less or more.
00:23:26.96\00:23:30.54
Galatians 3 verse
28. There is neither Jew
00:23:31.20\00:23:34.33
nor Greek. The Jews
had a problem with that.
00:23:34.46\00:23:37.43
They had a problem
with that in the book
00:23:39.32\00:23:40.37
of Acts chapter
13 verse 40 to 46.
00:23:40.44\00:23:43.69
When the Greeks
and the Converts came
00:23:44.22\00:23:47.63
together that
were not Jews. The Jews
00:23:47.66\00:23:49.81
had a hard time
with that, because they
00:23:49.89\00:23:51.89
came and accepted
the message that Paul
00:23:52.00\00:23:53.70
and Barnabas were
preaching. So Paul says,
00:23:53.73\00:23:56.26
this in Christ. There
is neither Jew nor Greek.
00:23:56.60\00:24:00.82
There is neither
bond nor free, there is
00:24:01.01\00:24:04.17
neither male nor
female, for you are all
00:24:04.20\00:24:07.73
one in Christ
Jesus. Breaking down that
00:24:08.16\00:24:11.58
separation. We are
called together all of
00:24:11.87\00:24:14.04
us are needed to
proclaim this gospel.
00:24:14.14\00:24:16.07
The Lord is not
putting a gag order and
00:24:16.28\00:24:18.37
you indicated in
comma there or in brackets
00:24:18.73\00:24:20.77
in my church for
example. I guess in the person's
00:24:20.80\00:24:23.83
church that wrote this message.
00:24:23.86\00:24:25.21
The pastor is a
woman and he may,
00:24:25.73\00:24:28.10
he's having an
hard time with that.
00:24:28.20\00:24:29.52
Also keep in mind
the culture in that day.
00:24:29.59\00:24:31.57
The Greeks would
coming together in the
00:24:31.74\00:24:33.63
center and talk
philosophy. Right.
00:24:33.71\00:24:36.09
They would debate,
they get into some heated
00:24:36.12\00:24:38.03
discussions. They
talk about what you know
00:24:38.06\00:24:41.01
the writings
were of the common day
00:24:41.08\00:24:42.72
and what people
thought and their opinions.
00:24:42.75\00:24:44.74
This was part of
the church. These men
00:24:45.15\00:24:47.21
were in there
beyond, you know beyond
00:24:47.26\00:24:48.90
that separation wall
and they were at sometimes
00:24:48.93\00:24:51.90
at discussions at
great lengths talking about
00:24:52.02\00:24:53.81
the word, talking
about this and that.
00:24:53.86\00:24:55.13
What you should,
what you shouldn't do.
00:24:55.24\00:24:56.32
Can you imagine
all of a sudden women
00:24:56.70\00:24:57.96
jumping and wait a
minute. Paul was saying
00:24:57.99\00:25:00.75
no, keep silent, let
them do what they're doing.
00:25:01.17\00:25:03.91
Don't be yelling
into the midst of them,
00:25:04.29\00:25:05.70
don't be interrupting
them, but when they're
00:25:05.90\00:25:07.43
done doing their
thing, they're debating,
00:25:07.46\00:25:09.29
their discussion,
their issues when you get
00:25:09.32\00:25:10.80
home had you,
talk to them about it.
00:25:10.87\00:25:12.89
You know, and your
common sense and the
00:25:12.92\00:25:15.61
things that God
has impressed upon your
00:25:15.64\00:25:16.93
heart with them and
he was trying to keep
00:25:17.07\00:25:19.58
it from being mass
confusion within the church.
00:25:19.61\00:25:22.96
Although Paul at
the same time said it
00:25:23.28\00:25:24.80
should not be this
way. This isn't the way the
00:25:24.93\00:25:27.74
church should be
conducted, so he was on
00:25:27.80\00:25:30.38
two fronts. He was
dealing with the current
00:25:30.45\00:25:31.81
culture, the
current issues of the day,
00:25:31.84\00:25:33.44
but at the other
side he was trying to
00:25:33.75\00:25:35.54
change, change the
culture a little bit to
00:25:35.66\00:25:37.81
recognize that the
church isn't to be like this.
00:25:37.84\00:25:40.15
Not, not to be broken
up into separate items
00:25:40.61\00:25:42.54
and we need all
hands on deck in these
00:25:42.96\00:25:45.38
last days. I think
that the deeper issue
00:25:45.44\00:25:47.82
here is not so much
that it's between male
00:25:47.87\00:25:50.64
or female. A woman
on television preaching,
00:25:50.67\00:25:53.21
women teaching,
that is not the issue.
00:25:53.72\00:25:56.35
The issue is what
was applicable to the
00:25:56.40\00:25:58.39
culture of the day
and in some societies
00:25:58.45\00:26:00.58
even still today.
It's not acceptable,
00:26:00.74\00:26:03.46
but when it comes to
what Jesus established.
00:26:04.01\00:26:06.76
He says male or
female, bond or free,
00:26:07.14\00:26:09.67
Jew or Greek, all
are one in Christ Jesus.
00:26:10.00\00:26:12.84
So but some people
have the mentality that
00:26:13.16\00:26:16.07
they're gonna
just keep women silent,
00:26:16.13\00:26:17.94
if you do tell
me how you did it.
00:26:18.39\00:26:20.59
Where would our
church be without women?
00:26:20.62\00:26:24.03
Yeah. I mean we have
a significant one that's
00:26:24.40\00:26:26.57
in the history of
our church. Where would
00:26:26.60\00:26:27.82
we be without the
work that God has called
00:26:27.85\00:26:30.03
women to perform?
That's right. And so,
00:26:30.11\00:26:32.05
but if you, if you
finally answer to keeping
00:26:32.14\00:26:35.91
the women quiet let
me know. The Lord hasn't
00:26:35.94\00:26:41.22
called them to be
silent. He's called them
00:26:41.32\00:26:42.94
to proclaim the
praises of him, who called
00:26:42.97\00:26:45.76
all of us out of darkness
into this marvelous life.
00:26:45.79\00:26:48.52
Anything else we
have John. I got one
00:26:48.55\00:26:51.04
question that
shouldn't be too long.
00:26:51.08\00:26:52.91
It says here an idea
it can leads us into our
00:26:53.25\00:26:55.41
topic for the day
anyway. It says I have
00:26:55.44\00:26:59.57
a question for
you. If we sleep or are
00:26:59.60\00:27:02.64
unconscious after
we die and until the
00:27:02.75\00:27:05.36
resurrection, why
does God bother waking up
00:27:05.50\00:27:08.82
the wicked? What
purpose does he have
00:27:08.91\00:27:13.01
in doing this? Just
to awake them up long
00:27:13.12\00:27:15.99
enough to through
them into the lake of
00:27:16.02\00:27:17.33
fire to be
annihilated. Why doesn't he just
00:27:17.44\00:27:20.55
annihilate them
when they die? It seems
00:27:20.58\00:27:23.00
to me that waking
them up just to annihilate
00:27:23.03\00:27:24.74
them doesn't
serve much of a purpose.
00:27:24.80\00:27:27.38
It actually may
seem a little cruel.
00:27:27.41\00:27:29.36
So a good, good
question there. One thing
00:27:30.51\00:27:32.80
we find in the word
of God is that he is a
00:27:32.88\00:27:34.87
just God. That's
right. God is a God of mercy,
00:27:34.96\00:27:38.03
but he's also a God of
justice. And he is merciful,
00:27:38.12\00:27:41.03
very merciful to
us and he has been.
00:27:41.11\00:27:42.55
I know he has been in
my life. Hope for a long
00:27:42.63\00:27:44.96
period of time and
so I praise the Lord
00:27:45.03\00:27:47.05
for that, but also I
praise the Lord for him
00:27:47.20\00:27:49.08
being a just God,
which means that when
00:27:49.36\00:27:52.06
he says if you, if
you commit or you've given
00:27:52.13\00:27:55.76
your way to, if
you've given yourself to
00:27:55.81\00:27:58.62
sinful ways that you
will obey, pay the price
00:27:58.65\00:28:01.91
for that or you pay
the consequences for
00:28:01.94\00:28:03.72
that ultimately which
will be to perish forever.
00:28:03.75\00:28:07.83
But part of those
consequences John is
00:28:08.40\00:28:11.04
a punishment.
Okay, you know who have,
00:28:11.07\00:28:15.25
has ever heard of
raising a child without
00:28:15.64\00:28:18.31
some kind of
punishment or consequence for
00:28:18.38\00:28:20.35
the actions they
take when they're wrong.
00:28:20.38\00:28:22.24
Wow! And so God
has a consequence and
00:28:22.76\00:28:25.99
there are many
people that are wicked to
00:28:26.02\00:28:27.62
the core who
died with good lives,
00:28:27.65\00:28:29.54
thinking that
everything's just fine.
00:28:29.57\00:28:31.12
The reason for
raising the wicked in the last
00:28:31.48\00:28:33.32
days is so, it's
two fold. First of all,
00:28:33.36\00:28:36.14
so they can pay the
consequences for their
00:28:36.23\00:28:38.52
sins and I believe
that each one of them
00:28:38.58\00:28:40.29
according to what
they've done, according
00:28:40.32\00:28:41.79
to their works will
suffer in the fire for a
00:28:41.92\00:28:45.14
specific length of
time. Whatever that they
00:28:45.38\00:28:47.40
deserve as a result of
what they did when they
00:28:47.60\00:28:49.47
were alive. But
second reason is, so that
00:28:49.56\00:28:52.79
they can see that God
does that he is in fact
00:28:52.82\00:28:56.62
good. That he did
love them. That he did
00:28:56.65\00:28:59.17
everything he could
to pull them or to move
00:28:59.21\00:29:01.48
them into a
relationship with him so that
00:29:01.63\00:29:03.70
they could be
saved. Many, most do
00:29:03.83\00:29:06.07
not know that. Don't
know a God like this,
00:29:06.10\00:29:08.11
but they need to see
the great controversy
00:29:08.48\00:29:10.58
in its true light.
That God is a God of love.
00:29:11.02\00:29:13.50
Satan is the author of
evil and pain and suffering.
00:29:14.25\00:29:18.37
They choose the
enemy and they're paying
00:29:18.76\00:29:22.27
the price for
that. And I believe the
00:29:22.30\00:29:25.00
Bible is pretty clear
on this, that every knee
00:29:25.07\00:29:27.64
will bow to a God
that reveals the truth
00:29:27.83\00:29:30.80
about his
character, his love and the
00:29:30.89\00:29:33.51
truth about Satan
and his deceptions which
00:29:33.64\00:29:35.62
we're talking
about here on the topic
00:29:35.71\00:29:37.01
of spiritualism. And
that is the reason that
00:29:37.04\00:29:39.47
we must raise
everyone and at one point
00:29:39.62\00:29:42.04
in the future
everyone who's alive,
00:29:42.07\00:29:43.90
whether you're
wicked or whether you're
00:29:43.93\00:29:46.07
righteous. You're
gonna be alive at that
00:29:46.14\00:29:47.94
point to see God
for who he truly is.
00:29:47.99\00:29:51.35
That's right. Thank
you for that answer John.
00:29:51.38\00:29:53.36
I don't want to
add anything to that
00:29:53.91\00:29:55.22
because it was
very completely done.
00:29:55.31\00:29:57.10
So I'll leave it
there, but we do serve a
00:29:57.50\00:29:59.43
just God. But it
segues right into our topics.
00:29:59.51\00:30:01.73
So I want you to
start that for today,
00:30:01.83\00:30:02.93
because that's
important. And by the
00:30:03.00\00:30:04.47
way if you have any
further questions or
00:30:04.50\00:30:06.43
any questions
that may not have been
00:30:06.46\00:30:08.13
even addressed
today. You can send those
00:30:08.21\00:30:09.95
questions to
housecalls@3abn.org that's
00:30:10.08\00:30:12.53
housecalls@3abn.org
and we'll do our
00:30:12.94\00:30:17.33
best to get to
those. We've been talking
00:30:17.40\00:30:19.24
about Spiritualism.
It's a terrible thing.
00:30:19.28\00:30:21.96
You wanna look at
the route of that Spirit.
00:30:22.39\00:30:25.29
Now, Spiritual, notice
that Spirit then Spiritual
00:30:26.23\00:30:30.83
then Spiritualism.
Usually it's not the very thing,
00:30:30.94\00:30:35.43
nothing wrong with
the spirit, nothing wrong
00:30:35.86\00:30:38.08
with being
spiritual, but ism it tends to
00:30:38.16\00:30:41.41
take it in a totally
different direction and
00:30:41.44\00:30:43.50
that's what we're
talking about today.
00:30:43.53\00:30:44.68
The very
foundational by the way and
00:30:44.76\00:30:46.79
we know that
Lucifer, that Fallen Angel is
00:30:46.90\00:30:49.67
the one that got
that started in his own
00:30:49.70\00:30:51.59
heart hoping to
take the place of God I
00:30:51.62\00:30:53.94
will be like the most
high. But what I'd like
00:30:53.99\00:30:58.29
to do John today is
reiterate again that the
00:30:58.39\00:31:04.39
premises of spiritualism
is the idea that man
00:31:04.46\00:31:07.05
are created with
an immortal soul,
00:31:07.48\00:31:10.26
that we really
don't die. That we will go
00:31:10.91\00:31:13.97
on living, even
after the body has died.
00:31:14.07\00:31:17.56
And that's what Satan
said to Eve in the garden.
00:31:18.02\00:31:21.09
You will not surely
die, Genesis 3 and verse 4.
00:31:21.88\00:31:25.08
That wasn't the first
lie he told, but it was
00:31:25.13\00:31:27.28
the one that stuck
the longest. You will not
00:31:27.31\00:31:30.03
really die. And what
he in essence was saying
00:31:30.06\00:31:32.90
in Hebrew there I
know what God said,
00:31:32.95\00:31:35.05
but I'm sure you
won't die and now we have
00:31:35.12\00:31:38.14
teachings that
people die and they continue
00:31:38.72\00:31:42.85
living on. They go
to heaven, their soul is
00:31:43.00\00:31:47.92
roaming the earth
and it opens the doors
00:31:48.43\00:31:50.97
for all kinds of
ridiculous things. You know and
00:31:51.56\00:31:53.09
it all goes back
to actually a Greek,
00:31:53.12\00:31:54.91
the Greek teaching
and even further before
00:31:55.05\00:31:57.08
that when the
Greeks got it. But they
00:31:57.38\00:31:58.93
really made it to
put corner of the market
00:31:58.99\00:32:00.85
you can say on
that subject back then
00:32:01.07\00:32:02.66
which is where we
are really get it today.
00:32:02.80\00:32:04.41
Yeah Neoplatonism.
Yes, and the teaching that,
00:32:04.82\00:32:08.41
you know the soul is
immortal, it never dies,
00:32:08.44\00:32:11.54
it exists in a state of
consciousness etc, etc.,
00:32:11.57\00:32:14.31
that's in the
church we have that
00:32:14.77\00:32:16.67
predominantly in the
church and that's one
00:32:16.82\00:32:18.12
of the avenues and
you said it very well that
00:32:18.15\00:32:20.87
it's kind of the
foundation of the baseline
00:32:20.90\00:32:22.94
for the ability for
Satan to work his deception.
00:32:23.30\00:32:26.74
Oh! Man. Because we
said in last program
00:32:27.52\00:32:29.46
that Satan, Spiritualism
is about Satan through
00:32:29.53\00:32:32.97
his either himself or
his cohorts, his angels,
00:32:33.08\00:32:39.15
how he is trying to communicate.
00:32:39.98\00:32:42.68
You know the
spiritualism is the act of
00:32:43.41\00:32:44.52
communicating with
the world his deceptive
00:32:44.59\00:32:47.87
ideas and
ushering them into an area
00:32:47.91\00:32:51.75
where there is so
much confusion about
00:32:51.86\00:32:53.43
what to believe
that when he does finally
00:32:53.46\00:32:56.03
appear in the very
last days to give his
00:32:56.36\00:32:59.01
greatest deception
that this world has
00:32:59.12\00:33:00.88
ever seen that
where he will have success
00:33:00.93\00:33:02.70
with that. So
deception is a foundation
00:33:02.73\00:33:06.26
just like leaving the
door open to communicate
00:33:06.30\00:33:09.05
with the dead
is a foundation and
00:33:09.20\00:33:11.43
channeling that we
see even in the secular
00:33:11.46\00:33:14.08
world that we find among those.
00:33:14.12\00:33:15.47
That's a
foundation for spiritualism.
00:33:15.64\00:33:18.38
You know that gives
channel surfing quite
00:33:18.97\00:33:20.48
a different
approach. They're not surfing
00:33:20.51\00:33:23.26
through the
television, but channeling
00:33:23.29\00:33:25.71
which is something
that's done by mediums
00:33:26.38\00:33:28.62
and spiritist. And
John they even have a
00:33:28.86\00:33:31.51
bigger word now a days for that.
00:33:31.76\00:33:33.19
They are, it's called
a parapsychology's one
00:33:33.67\00:33:38.44
and another one
it'll come to me a just
00:33:39.34\00:33:41.16
a moment, but
parapsychology it is very
00:33:41.19\00:33:45.46
much as foundation
is in spiritualism.
00:33:45.49\00:33:47.50
There is another
one, it will come to me in
00:33:48.17\00:33:49.68
a moment, but
when you think about
00:33:49.71\00:33:52.16
whether or not man
is naturally immortal
00:33:52.28\00:33:54.77
then the answer is
yes, but when you think
00:33:55.45\00:33:57.80
about whether or
not man has immortality
00:33:57.83\00:34:00.11
from the time
that God created him.
00:34:00.49\00:34:02.24
The answer is no.
If man was naturally
00:34:02.64\00:34:05.70
immortal then
everybody that was ever alive
00:34:05.73\00:34:08.62
will still be alive
today. This idea that
00:34:09.52\00:34:12.73
man has an immortal
nature or an immortal
00:34:12.86\00:34:16.72
soul , you can't find
that anywhere in the Bible.
00:34:16.81\00:34:19.87
There is no such
connection, there is no
00:34:20.31\00:34:22.01
phrase in the
Bible immortal soul.
00:34:22.08\00:34:24.27
The concept
continues to go on and on.
00:34:24.73\00:34:26.85
But if you look at
the Bible you'll find
00:34:27.23\00:34:28.57
over and over
again. You read in the
00:34:28.69\00:34:30.79
Old Testament it
says. And he died and
00:34:30.91\00:34:34.27
he rested with his
fathers, and he died
00:34:34.30\00:34:37.29
and he rested with his
fathers. The Bible continues
00:34:37.45\00:34:39.90
to point out that
when a person does die,
00:34:39.98\00:34:42.30
they really are
dead. They're not somewhere
00:34:42.75\00:34:45.61
else having a picnic
in heaven or dancing on
00:34:45.64\00:34:50.92
the streets of gold
or doing any subversive
00:34:50.95\00:34:55.21
activity in
someone's homes or haunting
00:34:55.33\00:34:58.21
People or ghostly and
all these things that are
00:34:58.24\00:35:02.91
talked about nowadays
are not relevant to the
00:35:02.94\00:35:05.17
scriptures. But it
does exist out there.
00:35:05.37\00:35:07.19
But I wanna
share something here in
00:35:07.64\00:35:08.71
Deuteronomy as to
what God feels and about
00:35:08.86\00:35:12.88
spiritualism in the
sense of witchcraft,
00:35:13.84\00:35:15.42
mediums, soothsayers,
fortune tellers and if
00:35:16.06\00:35:19.50
you remember the
story of Babylon in the
00:35:19.53\00:35:21.22
kingdom of
Babylon, those were the kind
00:35:21.25\00:35:23.85
of men that were
under the leadership of
00:35:24.08\00:35:27.70
Nebuchadnezzar,
which means if they were
00:35:27.73\00:35:30.27
in literal Babylon
they're also connected to
00:35:30.30\00:35:33.22
spiritual Babylon.
But let me share with you
00:35:33.79\00:35:36.92
what the Bible feels
about this deceptive art
00:35:37.04\00:35:40.41
of witchcraft and
medium, spiritists and all
00:35:40.48\00:35:43.64
these dark, dark
arts that are founded in
00:35:43.67\00:35:48.40
the kingdom of
Satan. Deuteronomy chapter
00:35:48.55\00:35:51.03
18 verse 10 to
verse 11. It says There
00:35:51.09\00:35:54.26
shall not be found
among you any one who
00:35:54.36\00:35:58.10
makes his sons or
daughters to pass through
00:35:58.25\00:36:00.62
the fire. I will
tell you about that in a
00:36:00.65\00:36:02.23
moment or one who
practices witchcraft or
00:36:02.26\00:36:07.06
a soothsayer or one
who interprets omens
00:36:07.09\00:36:11.74
or a sorcerer or
one who congers spells
00:36:12.20\00:36:17.19
or a medium or a
spiritist or one who calls
00:36:18.05\00:36:22.73
up the dead. And
when you read the very
00:36:22.78\00:36:24.87
next verse 12 you
will discover that the
00:36:25.02\00:36:27.34
punishment was
death, stoning to death.
00:36:27.50\00:36:30.21
Absolutely death,
the Lord said the people
00:36:30.30\00:36:32.59
of God should never
tolerate that kind of
00:36:32.62\00:36:35.06
practice or that kind
of activity in their midst.
00:36:35.11\00:36:38.30
But you'll find
that today it's been,
00:36:38.75\00:36:41.07
it's been amped up
and given a new face.
00:36:41.21\00:36:43.42
In very few places
that you go there you
00:36:43.86\00:36:45.37
still find these dark
little hovels and howls
00:36:45.50\00:36:48.17
where people saying
I wanna read your palm
00:36:48.24\00:36:51.16
and tell your fortune,
although they still exists.
00:36:51.19\00:36:54.01
However you'll find
that this is not something
00:36:54.52\00:36:56.93
that the Lord has
part of it all. John,
00:36:57.40\00:36:59.38
you're diligently
searching there, are you looking
00:36:59.41\00:37:01.18
for the story of Saul?
Well no I found that story,
00:37:01.21\00:37:03.74
but no its, its
clearly God, that God made it
00:37:03.77\00:37:08.12
very clear to his
people they will not
00:37:08.18\00:37:10.06
communicate with
the dead. That's right.
00:37:10.17\00:37:11.68
They would have
nothing to do with spirits
00:37:12.51\00:37:13.83
and there was a
reason for that is because
00:37:13.94\00:37:15.39
in doing so they
were communicating with
00:37:16.02\00:37:17.40
Satan and his
angels. That's right.
00:37:17.43\00:37:19.00
And that's one of
the reasons why I believe
00:37:19.03\00:37:20.23
God does it, the
way he does it that when
00:37:20.28\00:37:21.78
you die there is no
immortal soul, you're at
00:37:21.81\00:37:24.54
rest. And, say I was
looking at this story
00:37:24.58\00:37:28.37
here talking about
Saul and after God had left
00:37:28.47\00:37:31.46
Saul that he
consulted a medium because God
00:37:31.49\00:37:35.73
would not
communicate with him and
00:37:35.77\00:37:37.64
so he consulted this
medium. This witch or
00:37:37.79\00:37:41.37
medium from Endor.
Do you know we have,
00:37:41.40\00:37:44.52
Endora, Endora
from the Bewitched,
00:37:45.07\00:37:47.84
and can you think
of that. Where do you
00:37:47.91\00:37:48.88
think they got the
Witch of Endora from.
00:37:48.89\00:37:51.18
The Witch of Endor.
Right. But anyway if
00:37:51.92\00:37:54.30
you go through this
story you see clearly
00:37:54.41\00:37:56.04
how deceptive this
practice is, because in
00:37:56.73\00:37:59.58
every way the
writer clearly communicates
00:37:59.61\00:38:02.33
that Saul believes
in Samuel. You know and
00:38:02.42\00:38:06.06
he knows in
principle that it's not Samuel,
00:38:06.09\00:38:09.95
but yeah he's doing
this and so he believes
00:38:10.84\00:38:13.36
he's talking to
Samuel and the writer is very
00:38:13.39\00:38:15.33
effectively
communicating this because it
00:38:15.36\00:38:16.55
even says Samuel is
talking to him. Right.
00:38:16.58\00:38:18.62
So in the mind of Saul
he's thinking I'm talking
00:38:18.66\00:38:20.56
to Samuel and but
he's not. What do you
00:38:20.59\00:38:23.31
think he's talking
to? He's talking to Satan
00:38:23.34\00:38:26.77
or one of his
angels there and so we find
00:38:26.80\00:38:29.69
this story in First
Samuel chapter 28 and
00:38:29.73\00:38:32.78
it really has a good
lesson about those who
00:38:33.33\00:38:36.20
consult, those are
mediums, or channelers
00:38:37.15\00:38:39.65
that we should
stay away from them,
00:38:40.02\00:38:41.90
because they're
doing nothing but opening
00:38:42.29\00:38:43.83
up a an avenue for
us to communicate with
00:38:43.86\00:38:46.93
evil spirits and
demons. Here's another one
00:38:47.48\00:38:50.61
Leviticus 19, verse
31 and the reason why
00:38:50.86\00:38:54.16
I'm using this text is
because when John talked
00:38:54.19\00:38:55.99
about Saul believing
he was talking to the
00:38:56.13\00:38:58.93
prophet Samuel. I want
you to get the context,
00:38:59.08\00:39:01.23
because you believe
that righteous people
00:39:01.26\00:39:03.01
at least in the
mindset of many today that
00:39:03.57\00:39:05.50
believe that you
die and go to heaven.
00:39:05.55\00:39:07.33
If this were in fact
Samuel the prophet he
00:39:08.01\00:39:11.88
would have been in
heaven. But he came up.
00:39:11.91\00:39:14.70
Okay, but when you
look at the story there
00:39:14.91\00:39:17.87
in Samuel and this
witch who knew that it
00:39:17.90\00:39:21.75
was just so against
God, there was a command
00:39:21.97\00:39:25.21
out that she would be
stoned and killed only
00:39:25.32\00:39:29.19
Saul said don't worry
about it. It got your back
00:39:29.26\00:39:31.42
covered nothing is
gonna happen to you.
00:39:31.45\00:39:33.20
And she rashly said
this is not acceptable,
00:39:33.63\00:39:36.69
there's a law against
this and you could put
00:39:37.04\00:39:39.50
me in danger. Well,
when this witch by the way
00:39:39.53\00:39:44.57
and you have to, you
have to get this picture
00:39:45.04\00:39:46.30
in order to
understand this because sometime
00:39:46.47\00:39:47.86
you run through it so
quickly. Would God give
00:39:47.97\00:39:50.67
an ambassador of
Satan divine access?
00:39:51.60\00:39:56.39
And the answer is
obviously no. He would
00:39:57.77\00:40:00.10
never give access to
divine things from an
00:40:00.13\00:40:03.96
ambassador of
Satan. And not only that,
00:40:04.01\00:40:08.45
even for the sake
of argument, right,
00:40:09.39\00:40:11.68
Samuel was alive
beyond the grave and
00:40:12.20\00:40:14.12
could communicate
with Saul. If God wasn't
00:40:14.28\00:40:18.34
communicating
with him, nor would God
00:40:18.49\00:40:20.86
allow Satan to
willingly break a law he gave
00:40:20.89\00:40:25.18
to them to not
communicate with the dead.
00:40:25.24\00:40:27.08
Right. So that
right there tells you if
00:40:28.20\00:40:30.69
Samuel who is
righteous were able to do it,
00:40:30.84\00:40:33.57
he'd never do
that, because God did not
00:40:33.64\00:40:35.19
permitted anybody
like that to do it.
00:40:35.28\00:40:36.59
He was under God.
That was for the sake
00:40:36.62\00:40:37.91
of argument,
because we know that Samuel
00:40:38.00\00:40:39.85
was not alive, he
was resting in the grave.
00:40:39.88\00:40:42.09
So Saul was
saying God, I know you're
00:40:42.23\00:40:44.39
not talking about
Saul could you talk I mean
00:40:44.45\00:40:46.39
with Samuel can you
talk to me instead. Yeah.
00:40:46.42\00:40:48.81
You know, Saul was
saying I know that God
00:40:48.98\00:40:50.78
has shut off the
voice. He's not speaking
00:40:50.81\00:40:53.67
to me, but what you
have to keep in mind
00:40:53.75\00:40:55.33
is the way that
God did speak to Saul.
00:40:55.36\00:40:57.39
He spoke to Saul
through the prophets.
00:40:57.42\00:40:59.32
That's right. So
now if he spoke to Saul
00:40:59.75\00:41:02.62
through the
prophets but he no longer is
00:41:02.68\00:41:04.31
talking to Saul.
How you gonna bypass God
00:41:04.40\00:41:07.64
and go to a prophet
that's gonna ignore God.
00:41:07.69\00:41:09.92
If he was still
alive, yeah no way, it's not
00:41:11.71\00:41:12.68
gonna happen. So,
you can clearly see that
00:41:12.69\00:41:13.66
this is not
something that has any divine
00:41:13.67\00:41:14.87
origin at all. And
then when this evil spirit,
00:41:15.02\00:41:18.65
when this spirit
comes up that is a familiar
00:41:18.72\00:41:20.99
spirit, listen to this
in Leviticus 19, verse 31.
00:41:21.06\00:41:24.21
It says, give no
regard to mediums and
00:41:25.07\00:41:29.32
familiar spirits;
do not seek after them,
00:41:29.35\00:41:32.91
to be defiled by them:
I am the Lord your God.
00:41:32.94\00:41:36.36
And that's
exactly what happened,
00:41:36.74\00:41:38.37
Saul sought a
familiar spirit and the reason
00:41:38.77\00:41:42.52
why it's familiar is
because they have the
00:41:42.55\00:41:44.55
ability to create
what you think is familiar,
00:41:44.58\00:41:47.64
mom, dad, aunty,
uncle, friend, cousin you
00:41:48.15\00:41:53.15
name it. You will
always have to see an
00:41:53.18\00:41:54.75
operation and say
oh, like some of these
00:41:54.81\00:41:57.99
shows on television.
There was a young guy
00:41:58.02\00:42:00.25
that looks so sharp
and so clean. Satan would
00:42:00.28\00:42:02.49
take any type of
direction he needs to
00:42:02.57\00:42:04.77
in order to make you
feel that what is being
00:42:04.89\00:42:06.76
said is legitimate.
And people will sit in the
00:42:06.88\00:42:09.45
audience and they
will say I forgot what the
00:42:09.51\00:42:11.11
name of the program.
Do you remember that?
00:42:11.14\00:42:12.53
It was some
program where the guy,
00:42:13.04\00:42:15.62
I heard about, he
would look very sharp and
00:42:16.50\00:42:19.23
yuppy buppy contemporary
and he say right now
00:42:20.09\00:42:22.76
I'm getting a
message from. Oh! There is a
00:42:22.79\00:42:24.86
force in the room I
now that's communicating
00:42:24.90\00:42:27.08
and the force has on a
blue top and a red flower,
00:42:27.11\00:42:31.91
does anybody
recognize that and I'm thinking.
00:42:32.25\00:42:33.89
Come on guys its not
a state fair, but for us
00:42:36.35\00:42:39.34
who take that
lightly, for us who, for those
00:42:39.40\00:42:42.83
of us who think that's
not real. That spiritualism
00:42:42.86\00:42:46.23
in the dark arts
and demons do exist they
00:42:46.26\00:42:49.13
can perform miracles
and signs. If we think it's
00:42:49.18\00:42:51.88
just a hoax then we
are sitting ducks and
00:42:51.97\00:42:54.97
we could be drawn in
by it. It's very true.
00:42:55.00\00:42:58.46
Well there's several
other instances in the
00:42:59.08\00:43:01.31
Old Testament
stories with regard to
00:43:02.38\00:43:05.57
witchcraft and
Soothsayers and other things,
00:43:06.28\00:43:08.85
we know that during Ahab's time.
00:43:09.27\00:43:13.18
He had a beautiful
wife, didn't he. Jezebel.
00:43:14.11\00:43:16.65
Jezebel of course
she was probably was
00:43:17.43\00:43:18.87
beautiful which is
why he married her.
00:43:18.90\00:43:20.37
But beauty on the
outside doesn't mean
00:43:20.82\00:43:22.58
it's beautiful on
the inside. But she had
00:43:22.61\00:43:25.48
conducted or led out
the false prophets of
00:43:26.00\00:43:30.39
the day which are
the prophets of Baal.
00:43:30.42\00:43:32.08
And as a leader I
believe of those prophets
00:43:33.00\00:43:35.96
she identified very
closely with them if
00:43:35.99\00:43:37.67
you read those
stories. They were really
00:43:37.78\00:43:39.27
something that she,
you know felt close to.
00:43:39.30\00:43:41.95
It identifies where the
Bible does as performing
00:43:43.40\00:43:46.46
witchcraft. So she
herself is identified in that
00:43:46.49\00:43:52.36
realm of witchcraft
and sorcery and other
00:43:52.42\00:43:54.80
things by the works
and the acts she actually
00:43:54.83\00:43:56.88
did. It says in
2nd Kings 9:22 Now what
00:43:56.98\00:44:02.46
happened when Joram
saw Jehu, that he said,
00:44:02.49\00:44:05.47
Is it peace,
Jehu? So he answered,
00:44:07.81\00:44:10.01
what peace so long
as the harlotries of
00:44:10.12\00:44:12.77
your mother Jezebel
and her witchcraft are
00:44:12.81\00:44:16.30
so many? So what's
going on that day and
00:44:16.33\00:44:18.64
Jezebel you know
she was married to Ahab
00:44:18.73\00:44:20.09
the King of Israel?
Witchcraft was going on
00:44:20.18\00:44:23.30
in Israel, that's
an amazing thing to me.
00:44:23.85\00:44:27.55
You know it, it is
symbolic of the fact that
00:44:28.04\00:44:32.03
the devil has made
such inroads into God's
00:44:32.49\00:44:34.78
church even today
as well, that's right,
00:44:34.85\00:44:37.25
and we need to be
careful and aware of
00:44:37.40\00:44:38.71
those things. I think
it's 1st John 4:1 where
00:44:38.74\00:44:41.90
there is a passage
you read on one of our
00:44:41.93\00:44:43.24
prior program this
says test the spirits for
00:44:43.27\00:44:46.05
many spirits have
gone out into the world.
00:44:46.08\00:44:48.08
You will find in the
Bible. In a New Testament
00:44:49.02\00:44:50.76
Jesus dealt quite
often with evil spirits.
00:44:50.79\00:44:53.54
He dealt quite
often with demons who had,
00:44:53.78\00:44:56.44
who had been involved
in subversive activity.
00:44:56.94\00:44:58.93
The only kind of
activity they're involved
00:44:59.04\00:45:00.41
anyway and you
will discover that one
00:45:00.57\00:45:02.58
whenever they came
face to face with Jesus.
00:45:02.66\00:45:06.41
He always had the
upper hand Jesus did,
00:45:07.32\00:45:10.11
divinity always has
the upper hand against
00:45:10.16\00:45:12.31
spiritualism and
demons. But as you just
00:45:12.34\00:45:15.37
eluted to that John
about spiritualism making
00:45:15.40\00:45:17.32
its way into the churches today,
00:45:17.42\00:45:18.68
Revelation chapter 2
and verse 20 makes this
00:45:19.16\00:45:21.41
point very, very
clear listen to this.
00:45:21.44\00:45:23.26
The Lord is
speaking to one of the seven
00:45:25.45\00:45:27.08
churches. He says,
nevertheless I have a
00:45:27.19\00:45:30.27
few things against
you because you allow
00:45:30.30\00:45:32.51
that woman Jezebel
who calls herself a
00:45:32.54\00:45:36.98
prophetess to teach
and seduce my servants,
00:45:37.19\00:45:41.00
notice that. So when
you look at Revelation
00:45:41.57\00:45:44.43
and you see in Revelation
chapter 17 this Harlot
00:45:44.86\00:45:47.95
woman. He is, that's
a spin off from Jezebel,
00:45:48.02\00:45:52.28
the role that she
occupied in the Old Testament.
00:45:52.42\00:45:55.71
Many of the
prophets were seduced by her,
00:45:56.39\00:45:58.80
but also when the
Bible talks about that
00:45:59.68\00:46:02.26
seduction it says she
calls herself a prophetess.
00:46:02.34\00:46:05.97
So not everyone
who says that they're
00:46:06.59\00:46:08.04
prophet or
prophetess is of such.
00:46:08.10\00:46:10.13
How do you, how can
you tell the difference?
00:46:10.29\00:46:12.00
Well. But I
thought. Well, we read the
00:46:13.93\00:46:16.04
scripture last time
I believe it was 1st
00:46:16.14\00:46:18.14
John 4:1 testing the
spirits to see whether
00:46:18.17\00:46:21.30
they're of God. We
read Isaiah 8 verse 20
00:46:21.44\00:46:25.48
which talks about to
the law and the testimony
00:46:26.03\00:46:28.16
and they're
speaking the word of God,
00:46:28.19\00:46:29.93
following the word of
God. So there are those
00:46:29.96\00:46:30.93
things that we can
do know whether or not
00:46:30.94\00:46:32.40
they are truly
God's prophets or have a
00:46:32.89\00:46:34.65
word from God. The
reason why you caught
00:46:34.71\00:46:37.29
me off guard there
was because it hit me,
00:46:37.32\00:46:39.50
I have never seen
this clearly before.
00:46:40.11\00:46:41.92
How closely
spiritualism is connected with
00:46:42.84\00:46:47.25
or you can say spiritualism,
sorcery, witchcraft.
00:46:48.14\00:46:50.60
Witchcraft is
connected with idolatry.
00:46:50.63\00:46:53.73
Oh! You know it
never hit me so much as
00:46:55.43\00:46:58.71
I'm thinking it
about now, you know they
00:46:58.74\00:47:00.12
Set up these high
places you know next
00:47:00.15\00:47:02.85
to the alters. i think
we talked about this in
00:47:02.88\00:47:04.34
the last program.
They set up the high places
00:47:04.37\00:47:06.19
to worship the baal
or astarot or moloch
00:47:06.28\00:47:08.85
or these other gods.
And how the worship of
00:47:08.99\00:47:11.90
those gods
opened the spirit realm,
00:47:11.93\00:47:14.33
because in fact they
were worshiping Satan
00:47:14.82\00:47:16.18
and his angels.
That's right. When they were
00:47:16.28\00:47:17.53
doing that, how it
opens the spiritual realm.
00:47:17.56\00:47:20.01
And if you look up
the word abomination in
00:47:20.33\00:47:22.39
the bible, most of
the time abomination is
00:47:22.46\00:47:25.54
connected to
worship in the high places.
00:47:25.57\00:47:27.35
that's right. And
abomination is the highest
00:47:27.57\00:47:29.90
form of rebellion.
We know that, that's,
00:47:29.97\00:47:32.97
when god says that's
an abomination to me.
00:47:33.50\00:47:35.07
That's like the
worst. Right. And if you
00:47:35.10\00:47:37.08
don't wanna be do
anything that's an
00:47:37.25\00:47:38.22
abomination to god
well, worshiping idols.
00:47:38.23\00:47:40.67
The idol worships at
high places, idolatry.
00:47:40.81\00:47:43.20
The highest form of
spiritualism and witchcraft,
00:47:43.77\00:47:45.84
but you know when I
think about it today,
00:47:46.23\00:47:47.20
you know we're not,
we're not worshiping
00:47:47.21\00:47:49.64
astarot and
moloch and baal. Right.
00:47:50.37\00:47:52.76
But there is
another kind of worship is
00:47:53.50\00:47:54.59
going on today.
That I also believe it is
00:47:54.62\00:47:56.88
connected to not only
idolatry, but spiritualism
00:47:56.93\00:48:00.37
and you got to see
this John. Let me see.
00:48:00.82\00:48:02.55
Let's go. Revelation
18. Alright I'm on my way.
00:48:03.32\00:48:07.93
Revelation 18, the
first of verses 1 to 8
00:48:07.99\00:48:12.25
talks about Babylon
and the judgment against
00:48:12.38\00:48:15.65
Babylon. Okay.
Revelation 18. And it talks
00:48:15.68\00:48:18.66
about the fact
that you know in Babylon
00:48:18.69\00:48:20.73
which is by the
way this harlot right,
00:48:21.11\00:48:23.58
we just talked
about the harlot you know
00:48:23.61\00:48:25.05
and how she
performed sorcery and other
00:48:25.20\00:48:27.18
things, but here 1
to 8 talking about how
00:48:27.34\00:48:30.71
Babylon caused
people to live luxuriously
00:48:31.35\00:48:34.08
by her merchandising
and other things she
00:48:34.43\00:48:36.50
does and then all
of a sudden it connects
00:48:36.53\00:48:38.80
verses 9 to 19 talks
about how this happens.
00:48:39.49\00:48:43.43
There was such strong
merchandising going on.
00:48:44.57\00:48:47.65
That she pulled the
world in through luxury,
00:48:48.33\00:48:53.02
through gold,
through it's silver, through
00:48:53.53\00:48:55.64
what she made
available materialistic wise
00:48:55.68\00:48:57.85
to cause people to
worship those things
00:48:57.95\00:49:00.09
before God, because
they put them before him.
00:49:00.12\00:49:02.45
We don't have to
worship that in the high
00:49:03.49\00:49:05.01
places, Baals to
worship idols. We can worship
00:49:05.05\00:49:09.16
that through materialism
and through merchandising.
00:49:09.26\00:49:11.49
And then look at this
verse 23 of Revelation 18,
00:49:12.16\00:49:14.81
the light of a lamp
shall not shine in you
00:49:15.59\00:49:17.77
anymore and the
voice of the bridegroom
00:49:17.85\00:49:20.46
and the bride shall not
be heard in you anymore,
00:49:20.54\00:49:22.04
speaking of
Babylon for your merchants
00:49:22.08\00:49:24.88
were the great man of
the earth, for by your
00:49:25.44\00:49:28.23
sorcery all the
nations were deceived.
00:49:28.38\00:49:30.85
Merchandizing, idol
worship connected to sorcery,
00:49:31.36\00:49:34.63
spiritualism it's
hand and hand. Wow.
00:49:35.05\00:49:37.37
And it's amazing to
see how today we can,
00:49:38.34\00:49:43.09
can we I should
ask the question.
00:49:43.27\00:49:45.23
Can we get caught
up in spiritualism?
00:49:45.64\00:49:48.90
When we put
materialistic things and other
00:49:50.03\00:49:52.02
things ahead of
God, because we begin to
00:49:52.14\00:49:54.86
in fact worship
those things before we
00:49:54.94\00:49:57.19
worship God, can that
be a form of spiritualism.
00:49:57.22\00:49:59.85
I believe honestly
it can be. Because what
00:50:00.03\00:50:03.05
happens here the
core that connects the
00:50:03.08\00:50:05.09
two together is the
core of thou shall have no
00:50:05.17\00:50:08.55
other Gods before
me. Which was one of the
00:50:08.58\00:50:12.31
premise there of the
foundational spiritualism.
00:50:12.42\00:50:14.77
Satan wanted to
take the place of God,
00:50:15.07\00:50:16.72
but he takes the
place of God in many ways
00:50:16.84\00:50:18.62
not just in the
sense of bowing down and
00:50:18.65\00:50:20.39
worship. A person, a
treasurer once said this
00:50:20.42\00:50:23.51
he says everybody
worships, but to know
00:50:23.54\00:50:26.21
what just look
at their check book.
00:50:26.32\00:50:27.91
Since the check
book is the teller of the
00:50:28.76\00:50:30.08
heart and the Lord
said that where your
00:50:30.11\00:50:32.10
treasure is there
will your heart be also,
00:50:32.13\00:50:34.19
so not everybody is
worshiping at alters,
00:50:34.25\00:50:36.92
but there are people
that are worshiping at
00:50:37.33\00:50:38.60
the alters of fame and fortune.
00:50:38.63\00:50:40.19
There are people that
worship at the alter of
00:50:40.24\00:50:42.77
merchandize and
materialism and extravagance
00:50:43.49\00:50:47.07
and luxury. And that's
what was pointed out here
00:50:47.10\00:50:49.35
in this entire chapter
of Revelation 18 by their
00:50:49.38\00:50:54.09
luxuries and so
when you talk about that,
00:50:54.16\00:50:56.54
that's exactly
what's happening here.
00:50:56.57\00:50:57.87
Yeah, so spiritually,
as we get further away from
00:50:57.98\00:51:00.41
God. We know that
our minds and our hearts
00:51:00.48\00:51:02.34
are drawn further
close to materialism and
00:51:02.37\00:51:06.57
worship of self. You
know in gratification of self.
00:51:07.18\00:51:10.20
And it may not be
that, you know we're
00:51:10.87\00:51:12.93
communicating with
Satan directly through
00:51:12.99\00:51:15.03
channeling or
something, but what you find
00:51:15.27\00:51:16.94
within the realm of,
that realm of the luxuries
00:51:17.02\00:51:20.34
and the, you know
just our worship of stars,
00:51:20.82\00:51:26.65
you know the walk
of fame. Okay, and all
00:51:26.75\00:51:28.31
those things. You
know often you find in that
00:51:28.34\00:51:31.16
realm a very
strong acceptance. We see
00:51:31.25\00:51:34.18
this in the movies
today. A strong acceptance
00:51:34.21\00:51:36.07
of the spirits
worship. Right. You know you
00:51:36.10\00:51:39.07
have the new age
movement. We got Shirley
00:51:39.22\00:51:42.11
MacLaine you know
who is very popular with
00:51:42.19\00:51:43.88
this. You've got what
is the big popular religion
00:51:43.91\00:51:46.51
right now. Wow yeah.
That's within Hollywood.
00:51:46.54\00:51:50.22
It's like, it's almost
like scientology, scientology.
00:51:52.80\00:51:55.01
There you go and
see you have all these
00:51:55.04\00:51:57.28
things and if you
look at the core of those
00:51:57.39\00:51:59.57
things there is,
there is a level of wanting
00:51:59.62\00:52:02.30
to communicate
spirit, to be more spiritual.
00:52:02.33\00:52:04.65
To communicate more
spiritual. Higher level.
00:52:04.69\00:52:06.08
At a higher level
and I think the devil
00:52:06.41\00:52:09.13
resides there and
that's the source we're talking
00:52:09.22\00:52:12.25
about, how it's
connected with materialism.
00:52:12.29\00:52:14.18
Well John you hit a
nail right there that it
00:52:14.67\00:52:18.19
really opened
another door, because where
00:52:18.36\00:52:20.67
Satan met Eve to
deceive her was at the tree
00:52:20.70\00:52:24.25
of knowledge. See
he offered her a higher
00:52:24.44\00:52:28.25
knowledge than God
had there before given
00:52:28.28\00:52:30.57
to her. And so,
knowledge without God is
00:52:30.64\00:52:33.97
dangerous.
Knowledge under the control of
00:52:34.00\00:52:37.82
the Lord interprets
itself to be more wisdom
00:52:38.02\00:52:41.85
rather than just
intellect. And we have a
00:52:42.34\00:52:44.51
world that has made a
God out of intellectuality.
00:52:44.54\00:52:47.06
Intellectuality, where
the mind is idolized and
00:52:47.93\00:52:53.18
we could become
esoteric and flamboyant.
00:52:53.64\00:52:55.39
And, and just
design our own world almost
00:52:55.82\00:52:58.74
to the point where
people idolize us for
00:52:58.77\00:53:00.62
our great accomplishments.
So when you think
00:53:00.68\00:53:02.95
about spiritualism.
We're gonna go into the
00:53:03.01\00:53:05.09
depth part of it, I
think in another program.
00:53:05.28\00:53:07.01
But when you think
about spiritualism,
00:53:07.44\00:53:09.10
you think about
the exalted mind,
00:53:09.13\00:53:11.23
because Satan is
not dumb, some people
00:53:11.26\00:53:13.00
you know they fall
for this idea that he,
00:53:13.95\00:53:15.31
you know in
Halloween. They dress him up
00:53:15.82\00:53:18.09
in a Red Cape and a
Pitchfork and years ago
00:53:18.12\00:53:20.99
they had Red devil
pepper you know that.
00:53:21.06\00:53:22.77
On the bottle he has
a red cape on it and a
00:53:23.40\00:53:25.68
Pitchfork. I think he
likes it when people think
00:53:25.83\00:53:27.37
of him like that. Yeah
they think of him as some
00:53:27.40\00:53:29.24
kind of freak.
Yeah. When in fact he is
00:53:29.27\00:53:31.12
being of high
intellect that brings with him
00:53:31.55\00:53:34.82
the ability, how smart
would be if were around
00:53:34.92\00:53:37.97
for as long as he
has been. And, and have
00:53:38.03\00:53:41.94
been able to study
the minds of scientists
00:53:41.97\00:53:44.25
and the minds of
intellectuals throughout
00:53:44.28\00:53:46.39
the eons that are
now behind us. How smart
00:53:46.42\00:53:49.67
would you be? Very
smart. So, so when we
00:53:49.77\00:53:52.67
think about all that,
we think of a platform
00:53:52.79\00:53:55.22
of intellectuality,
so intellectuality is in,
00:53:55.56\00:53:57.81
in of itself not a
replacement for God.
00:53:59.20\00:54:02.49
And connecting
with that evolution,
00:54:02.98\00:54:04.87
okay go ahead.
You know I mean just
00:54:04.99\00:54:06.86
you can connect
easily with that evolution,
00:54:07.00\00:54:08.84
the higher sciences.
You know read and you
00:54:09.18\00:54:12.19
hear stories of
those who are very careful
00:54:12.27\00:54:15.31
to when they're in that
scientific form to openly
00:54:15.39\00:54:22.11
acknowledge that
they're creationist,
00:54:22.17\00:54:23.73
because of the
fact that they're looked
00:54:23.76\00:54:24.85
down upon immediately as being,
00:54:24.96\00:54:26.19
oh much lower
minded. So the higher mind
00:54:26.22\00:54:28.80
is the one that
believes in the revolutionary
00:54:28.83\00:54:30.51
theories of Darwin
and other things and
00:54:30.54\00:54:33.51
you can see that
right on in with what
00:54:33.95\00:54:35.39
you're talking
about here. You know that
00:54:35.42\00:54:36.62
higher mindedness.
It takes more faith to
00:54:36.65\00:54:39.19
me honestly.
You've got a really have a
00:54:39.27\00:54:41.13
whole lot of faith to
believe that this great
00:54:41.19\00:54:43.06
intellect that we
have now came as a
00:54:43.09\00:54:45.86
result of amoeba
and an Paramecium.
00:54:45.98\00:54:49.31
The splitting and the
continued multiplication
00:54:49.90\00:54:51.93
then divisions of
cells. Oh! Then into a fish
00:54:51.96\00:54:55.05
and then that called
upon the land and after
00:54:55.80\00:54:57.92
millions of years
sprouted lakes and began
00:54:57.95\00:55:00.18
to evolve and evolve
and evolve and evolve
00:55:00.21\00:55:02.38
in this one
particular organism evolved into
00:55:02.85\00:55:04.77
so many different
things that we don't know
00:55:04.80\00:55:07.43
exactly how it
started. Now, if you think about
00:55:07.53\00:55:10.01
this whole
process. The amoeba and the
00:55:10.04\00:55:11.65
Paramecium remember
that the single cell,
00:55:11.68\00:55:13.98
the duel cell, the
continue splitting of that or
00:55:14.25\00:55:16.80
complete reproduction
then it becomes a fish,
00:55:16.83\00:55:19.07
then it becomes a
land animal, a lizard then
00:55:19.58\00:55:22.08
as time goes on, it
eventually becomes monkey
00:55:22.11\00:55:24.06
and it goes, I mean
John you got to have a
00:55:24.09\00:55:25.87
lot of faith to believe
that or you could simply
00:55:25.90\00:55:29.85
say you know what
the intellectual part of
00:55:29.98\00:55:32.63
it is, I don't
believe that I was,
00:55:32.69\00:55:34.70
I was educated by
some evolutionary process,
00:55:35.59\00:55:37.96
but I look at the
Bible and the Bible says
00:55:38.51\00:55:40.54
in the beginning God
created the heavens and
00:55:41.73\00:55:44.60
the earth and you
see evidences are clear
00:55:44.63\00:55:47.60
design rather than
evolutionary process.
00:55:48.14\00:55:52.27
The making of man
in the image of God
00:55:52.30\00:55:54.92
which is his ability
to think and to, to be,
00:55:54.95\00:56:00.45
to enjoy life and the
other things that we have.
00:56:00.78\00:56:02.80
So spiritualism seems
to replace all that and
00:56:03.44\00:56:05.02
say God is not in
the equation. You want
00:56:05.05\00:56:06.93
to think about God.
God is not in the equation.
00:56:06.96\00:56:09.11
Listen to what
Darwin says, listen to what
00:56:09.48\00:56:11.61
Kaiser Wilhelm says,
listen to the great minds,
00:56:12.21\00:56:14.96
the Einsteins. And
not a lot of these men,
00:56:15.02\00:56:17.60
and I'm not saying
the Einstein was a father
00:56:17.99\00:56:19.91
of any of this false
theology. But a lot of
00:56:19.94\00:56:23.32
these men
whenever their minds were
00:56:23.40\00:56:25.20
infected by
rational thought rather than
00:56:25.68\00:56:28.97
the divine acceptance
of the existence of God.
00:56:29.16\00:56:32.69
It went into deep,
deep dark sellers that
00:56:33.36\00:56:36.93
now found them
down on the platform of
00:56:37.07\00:56:39.12
Spiritualism. yeah. and
that's where it's today.
00:56:39.32\00:56:41.17
yeah. and i think
the big thing there too
00:56:41.42\00:56:43.28
is that when you
believe in the bible,
00:56:43.31\00:56:46.64
that god doesn't
just ask you to believe
00:56:47.38\00:56:49.79
blindly. he provides
evidence and there's lots
00:56:49.82\00:56:53.89
of evidence of creation.
There's lots of evidence
00:56:53.92\00:56:56.56
and that just is all
around us of the goodness
00:56:57.21\00:56:59.75
of God who he is and
that only a designer can,
00:56:59.78\00:57:05.29
can create a world
like this. You know what
00:57:05.72\00:57:07.67
the devil did. Second
Corinthians 11 verse 3
00:57:07.74\00:57:09.88
the Lord says the
same thing that Satan
00:57:09.98\00:57:12.07
did to Eve, he took
her mind away from the
00:57:12.14\00:57:14.91
simplicity that is in
Christ and led her down
00:57:14.98\00:57:19.77
a path of
complicated thought there by
00:57:19.81\00:57:21.82
deceiving her
friends. Let the word of God
00:57:21.85\00:57:24.24
bring it down to the
basic fact that Jesus is
00:57:24.75\00:57:26.67
Lord of all and may
you accept that Lord
00:57:26.77\00:57:29.79
of all in your
life today and have
00:57:29.99\00:57:31.91
a great day in Christ. Amen.
00:57:31.94\00:57:34.32
nd away from the
00:57:34.35\00:57:35.32
simplicity that is in
Christ and led her down
00:57:35.33\00:57:36.30
a path of
complicated thought there by
00:57:36.31\00:57:37.28
deceiving her
friends. Let the word of God
00:57:37.29\00:57:38.26
bring it down to the
basic fact that Jesus is
00:57:38.27\00:57:39.24
Lord of all and may
you accept that Lord
00:57:39.25\00:57:40.22