Hello friends grab
your Bible in front and
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sit back as we
explore God's word together
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on this edition of House Calls.
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Welcome to another
House Calls program
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where we begin
our journey together
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through the word
of God and it's a
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journey where there's
always new discoveries
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and I am glad
you've chosen to tune
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in. You may want
to record right now
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because I am not myself; I have
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my good friend John Stanton.
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It's good to be
here John. Once again
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studying the word of
God with a new subject
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today, we're kind
of excited about. Yeah
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the Great
Controversy, you know people
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have heard that term
the Great Controversy,
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the Great
Controversy, but a lot of people
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I don't think
know what that means.
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We're going to talk
about that today. That's right.
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And so this is a
program you don't want to miss.
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If you have friends
in the house just walking
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around, call them and
say sit down and listen
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to the program, hit
record, share it with
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your church, your
community whomever, but
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this is something
that's going to open your eyes
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to what God is doing
to win this great battle.
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But before we do
anything we're going
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to have prayer.
John, pray for us.
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Let's do that. Dear
Father in Heaven, again
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we are so thrilled to
be able to come before you,
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and open up your
word and we ask that you
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will send us your
Holy Spirit, so that we may
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understand it, and
that we may draw near
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to you, and understand
your plan for us better.
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Well thank you
for spending this time
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with us, in
Jesus name, amen. Amen.
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Friends, you also
know that we have a lot
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of Bible questions
that makes the difference,
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so continue sending
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Some of you send
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We download those,
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print those and we
pray for God to lead us
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to give you the
answer to that, is important
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and in harmony
with his words. So John
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what's our first
question for today.
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Well we got a
question here with regard to
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disciples and
apostles. Okay. The person
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writing in here lets
see here name is Carol.
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She says while
watching your show this morning,
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you said apostles, and
then you said disciples,
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and my husband and I
got into a discussion as to
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the difference of
the words, and his
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understanding is
that apostles are leaders,
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and disciples are
followers, and she
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agrees with that.
But she's saying what are
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your comments
about this. How would you
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explain the difference?
Well there clearly is a
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difference, they
use, seem to use in the
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scriptures disciples
in the context of those
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following Christ and
learning from Christ,
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and not that apostles
aren't following Christ,
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it's just that as
disciples they are in
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this learning mode.
They're following the
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master, they're
watching the master and
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everything he does,
and they're seeking to
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learn, and allow
their characters and their
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life to be formed
after him. As apostles,
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the word there is
really a disciple send
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forth for a
specific purpose, to be an
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ambassador and
so when Jesus sends
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forth his disciples
they go as apostles.
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They're sent forth
as ambassadors for him
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to grow his work,
and they in turn to a
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degree become the
leaders of the church,
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that's right, ones
sent forth lead and
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to create other
disciples as the Great
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Commission tells
them you know make other
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disciples, make other
disciples out of those
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that you minister
to, and as you grow
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the church. So
apostles are those who had been
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disciples, who
continue to be disciples because
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they're continuing to
follow Christ, but yet
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they have taken on
the work of leadership as
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one sent forth by
God to be ambassadors for
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him to grow his
kingdom. So that's the
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main difference
between the two words.
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Yeah, that's very
good I think you said it
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best really well, and
the apostles carry the
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epistle, which is the
message, and so I can't
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add very much to
that. Don't their wives
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have names too.
Somebody thought that
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the apostles wives
were epistles, no that's
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not so. Epistles is
the message, documents,
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the clarion call
that they carry, and so
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you'll read the
epistles in the word of God.
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Okay, that was a
good one John. But there
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is one other thing
that a lot of times people
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think that disciples
are only New Testament,
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but in the Old
Testament Isaiah 8:16,
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the Lord said "Bind
up the testimony, and
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seal the law among
My disciples." So there
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were Old Testament
disciples, and then just
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before the John the
Baptist introduced Jesus
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there was some
controversy that John
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had disciples. So
when John Stanton described
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what a disciple is,
simply in any context it
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means as one that
is being taught, being
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prepared and in the
gospel sense to be an
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apostle. Yeah. For
the message, so thank you
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John for that.
Cecilia and I am assuming
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Cecilia is from the
large city because of
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the context.
Cecilia is from New York,
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that's where I was
born and raised, it's a
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huge city, and
New York thank you for
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tuning in this
morning. When the time of
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trouble hits or
comes, how will we get out of
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these cities, that's
the first one. Well, let me
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just make it this way,
put it this way, try to
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get out before
then, because you know
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I am a native of
New York city and I live
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there when they had
the black out in the
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sixties, there was
another black out in the
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seventies, and New
York tends to make some
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kind of, they make
money out of any tragedy
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that happens you
know I survived the black
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out of sixties, I
survived the black out
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of seventy seven.
We tend to joke about
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those things but the
time of trouble that's
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coming, is something
of unimaginable extent,
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unimaginable impact,
so if you think about
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New York city, it's
not going to be just an
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overnight black out,
but crime and violence
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in any large major
city at an accelerated
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rate, when men's
hearts are now no longer
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under the restraining
spirit of God. John, I
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remember when I
lived in New York city
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in 1977 and that's
before I was converted
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and I was in a pool
hall and playing billiards,
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and I was just
about ready to take a shot
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and all the lights
went out, and a friend of
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mine said turn the
lights back on, and we
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walked outside of
the pool hall only to see
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the lights in the city
going off like a domino,
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in fact just block
after block, and it was just a
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matter of minutes
before total mayhem just
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broke out. We
heard windows crashing,
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cars being turned
over, we saw fires being
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started. There was a
bicycle shop at about
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16 they said about
I am just exaggerating
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here may be few
thousands bikes and it
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was a bike factory,
and the next day we were
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wondering why the
police were driving around
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asking people to show
their receipts to their
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bikes because all
these bikes have been stolen.
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When you think of
the time of trouble it's
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going to be on such a
magnificent proportion,
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no way to get
out of cities at that
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particular time. I
think we talked about
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this prior to the
program. There are going to be
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martyrs at that time,
those who stand firmly
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for the Lord in the
cities, some of them
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may be martyrs, but
some of them may need
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to be there to proclaim
the message to those who
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still need to hear
it, that is the time of
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trouble before the
close of probation.
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Yeah, I would
say living out of the
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cities, but not
abandoning the cities.
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We're not talking
about that, abandoning the
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cities because there
are people who need to
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hear the gospel, but
living out of the cities
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and then doing
our missionary work
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there in. Well, some
people, the other part
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of the question says
not all people have the
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funds to go to
the country and live.
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I live in New York
City, it seems so impossible
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for so many
people. When I lived in
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New York city
John, it didn't seem like
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there was anything
outside of New York
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city. It's so huge,
you have everything you
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could think of, and
when I got on the plane,
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on the airplane for
the first time was going
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to college, and it was
an amazing thing to me.
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I thought do they have
to fly so fast, I never,
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it's really a
strange feeling going to
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college, and getting
on a plane for the first
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time which living out
in the country or living
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outside of suburban
New York city, it doesn't
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seem unusual.
There's another world
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outside of New York
city, but it's hard to
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think about that when
you live in that great
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metropolis. But
the key would be also
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you will know and I
believe if you're in
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tune with God you
will know when you
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have the absolute
last moment when I
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say absolute last
moment you'll know when it's
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time to get out, I
mean you'll know, and its
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getting to the point now where
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look at the real
estate going down.
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Jesus talks about
that in Matthew 24 doesn't
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he. Right, that's a
good application, as a matter
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of fact lets look at
that, in Matthew chapter
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24, there is a good
scripture to go along
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with that. Thank
you John, for suggesting
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that. In Matthew 24,
Jesus talked about the
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destruction of
Jerusalem and one of the reasons
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why the historian
Josephus points out that
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no Christians lost
their lives when the
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destruction came.
It was, there was a
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brief period where the
Roman armies retreated,
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so that the
Christians could get out, and
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they didn't do it for
that purpose, but when
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they retreated
the Christians took
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advantage of that
and they left the cities.
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Now I believe that
there is going to be a
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short period of grace
where the people of God
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would have an
opportunity to get out.
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But notice what it
says here in Matthew 24,
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verse 15.
"Therefore when you see the
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abomination of
desolation spoken of
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by Daniel the
prophet, standing in the holy
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place whoever
reads let him understand.
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And let those who
are Judah flee to the
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mountains." Let me
put the word New York
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there just for the
application. When you
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see the abomination
of desolation, in another
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words when you see
that the world has hit
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its lowest
point, when you see that
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everything that
could sustain our liberties
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have been thrown
out. You'll know that
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its time to get out
of the cities before they
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become, or years ago there was a
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movie entitle
Escape from New York.
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Yeah. When the
cities are no longer able
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to be, when one is
just able to get out.
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The other key part
of this here is talking
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about spoken this abomination of
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desolation
standing in the holy place.
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It seems to be a
reference to Second
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Thessalonians 2,
where this man of sin is
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coming, he set
himself up as God in the
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place of God
commanding to worship, and we
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find the command to
worship in Revelation 13
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as well. So when
this all comes together
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there seems to be
whether it's a law or
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something like that
suggested, but there
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is an opportunity to
get out, get out. Right.
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That's the last change
to get out I would say.
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Now if you can get out
now get out, but that's
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the last opportunity
it really looks like.
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And you know John
I think that Cecilia
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alluded to the fact
that its hard and not
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able to afforded.
It is a lot, lot less
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expensive to live
outside of New York City
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and in the country
for that matter than it is
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to be living in the
cities. And so rest of
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it says let him
who is on the housetop,
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Matthew 24:17,
not go down to take
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anything out of
his house. In another
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words that means if
you're out by car or
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if you're outside
and all of a sudden
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something tragic
happens kind of like a September
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11th, you notice
people careless what was
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in the office building,
they just left it there,
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they weren't going
back to get anything,
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the tragedies was
so great that they
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just whatever is
behind is not my concern.
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So that's what's being
said there. When it gets
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to that point you'll
know when its time for
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the Lord and the
Lord will impress you as
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to what's more
important. They say on
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the airplanes in the
case of emergency leave
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all your carry-ons we
will know whether it's
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our life or the things
that we have that's more
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important. Thank you Cecilia,
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what else you have for us John.
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Well Virginia sends
in a question somewhat
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related here it
says, lets see please
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explain Revelation
17:12 specially the one hour,
00:12:00.28\00:12:04.76
so she wants to
know about the one hour
00:12:04.79\00:12:07.41
found in
Revelation 17:12, so lets turn
00:12:07.44\00:12:11.99
there. And I'll
read that scripture here
00:12:12.02\00:12:17.21
for us. Okay. The
ten horns which you saw
00:12:17.24\00:12:20.73
are ten kings who
have received no kingdom
00:12:20.76\00:12:23.85
as yet but they
receive authority for one hour
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as kings with the
beast. So evidently there
00:12:27.00\00:12:31.09
is a time where ten
kings' additional powers
00:12:31.12\00:12:34.33
receive some
authority for this "hour" to do
00:12:34.36\00:12:39.54
something that
brings about this last beast
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powers great last
stand against God's people.
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Now Jesus referred
in several times to the
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last hour and the hour
in which he would come,
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the hour that was the
last hour. One of those
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references is
Matthew 24:44, I am not going
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to turn there but you
can look that up. But I
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want you to see one
thing that is kind of
00:13:04.05\00:13:06.12
interesting here in
First John 2 verse 18,
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First John 2
verse 18, it says this,
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"Little children, it
is the last hour; and as
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you have heard
that the antichrist is
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coming, even now
many antichrists have come
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by which we know
that it is the last hour."
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Couple of references
to the last hour there
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which I believe is
this hour of the last days
00:13:30.30\00:13:33.79
when these ten
kings receive their power.
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Now one of the
interesting things we
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find here in this
verse is that it is not
00:13:37.64\00:13:40.35
connected to all
antichrists, it seems
00:13:40.38\00:13:42.30
to be connected
to the antichrist.
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Right. Now we're
going get into a subject
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today called on the
Great Controversy, and
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that Great Controversy
is the battle between
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good and evil, it is
a battle between Christ,
00:13:53.31\00:13:55.83
the head of good, and
Satan, who is the head
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of the evil. And
so the antichrist, the
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ultimate
antichrist, and we have shared
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this before many
times in our programs.
00:14:05.30\00:14:07.49
Satan himself making
an appearance as Christ,
00:14:07.52\00:14:10.69
so this hour John
seems to be identifying with
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the appearance of
the antichrist, so
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apparently when it
says here in Revelation
00:14:17.48\00:14:19.82
17:12 that these
ten kings or these ten
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horns, and ten kings
are represented there
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have their power given
to them in this last hour.
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It seems to be at a
time when the antichrist
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has appeared and is doing
his last work. Right, okay.
00:14:30.95\00:14:35.18
And so this hour I
don't take so literally
00:14:35.21\00:14:38.05
or even
symbolically as to meaning okay
00:14:38.08\00:14:40.58
well how will we
calculate that out in
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symbolic terms. I
see this as just the last
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opportunity, that
last time finally before
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Jesus comes,
because he does come at the
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end of that last
hour. So somehow at the
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beginning the
antichrist appears, somehow at
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the end of that last
hour of time Jesus appears,
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so that's what I find
here from the scriptures.
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You many have some
things to say about that
00:14:58.82\00:15:00.43
too John. That's fit
so wonderfully, you will
00:15:00.46\00:15:03.41
notice that when the
Bible uses the word hour,
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it sometimes refers to
just a short duration of
00:15:05.99\00:15:09.59
time in the ministry
of Jesus in Matthew and
00:15:09.62\00:15:12.95
Luke 22:53, there
were many opportunities
00:15:12.98\00:15:16.22
that the rulers of
the temple, the Romans,
00:15:16.25\00:15:19.83
the advisories of
Jesus tried to trap him,
00:15:19.86\00:15:22.62
and then he made
the statement, lets
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use a few. I think
Galatians 4:4 was one,
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Paul says, "In the
fullness of time, when
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the fullness of time
had come, God sent forth
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his son." So there was
a particular time frame
00:15:33.57\00:15:35.52
that Lord was going
to sent forth Jesus to
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begin his work. When
they tried to trap Jesus,
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Jesus said a
number of times my hour
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has not yet come.
Right. It was not yet time,
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but when he was
finally seized Luke 22:53
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read as follows.
"When I was with you daily
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in the temple, you
did not try to seize Me,
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but this is your hour
and the power of darkness."
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And so the power of
darkness had an hour
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in Jesus' day. And
John as you alluded to,
00:16:03.72\00:16:06.61
the power of darkness
is going to have another
00:16:06.64\00:16:08.49
hour in the end
time. How strange it is
00:16:08.52\00:16:11.43
that Jesus came at
one of the lowest points
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of human history,
and when he comes again
00:16:13.25\00:16:15.10
his name, as it
was then we believe is
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going to be almost
removed from the earth
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an hour of great
darkness. So that
00:16:19.60\00:16:21.89
those give their
power and authority to this
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antichrist,
something you said and I want
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to reiterate this, so
that our listeners and
00:16:26.90\00:16:29.05
viewers don't miss
this. Is that Satan will
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have appeared on
the scene to personate
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Christ. He's going
to look like the Christ,
00:16:34.00\00:16:36.31
that why Matthew 24
says, when they says
00:16:36.34\00:16:39.01
here's the Christ or
there don't believe it.
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He's going to look
the Christ, and when
00:16:40.79\00:16:43.16
you show up in a
crisis situation, then people
00:16:43.19\00:16:46.70
are looking for
answers, and somebody that
00:16:46.73\00:16:48.21
looks like Jesus says
I have the answer then
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all the powers stand
behind him because they
00:16:51.12\00:16:53.73
believe he is the one
with the answer and that
00:16:53.76\00:16:56.39
what you were
suggesting just a moment
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ago, am I
correct. Yes, that's right.
00:16:57.43\00:16:59.27
And so you clearly
see here, its going to be
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but of a short
duration of time and I like that
00:17:01.04\00:17:04.37
Paul says it,. God
is going to finish the
00:17:04.40\00:17:07.51
work and cut it
short. So this is going to
00:17:07.54\00:17:09.72
be a short reign
they're going to have.
00:17:09.75\00:17:11.50
It's going to look
like a glorious one because
00:17:11.53\00:17:13.43
all the authorities,
all the Kings of the earth
00:17:13.46\00:17:15.50
that have not yet
received his authority
00:17:15.53\00:17:17.30
are going to stand
behind this peace for a
00:17:17.33\00:17:19.24
short time. And
with the modern teaching
00:17:19.27\00:17:20.48
of this day that says
in the last times, or the
00:17:20.51\00:17:23.51
last days when Jesus
appears he's going to
00:17:23.54\00:17:25.18
set up his kingdom
on this earth, that is
00:17:25.21\00:17:27.95
going to fit right
into the scenario that Satan
00:17:27.98\00:17:30.98
is going to pull off,
or try to pull off here as
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he impersonates
Christ. So that teaching even
00:17:33.19\00:17:35.68
is put out there by
Satan himself to set
00:17:35.71\00:17:39.01
up and establish
what he is going to do to
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deceive in the end
of time. So if you have
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heard teachers
teaching that Jesus comes
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to set up his kingdom
on this earth. Really what
00:17:47.50\00:17:50.84
that is, is just
falling into this deceptive
00:17:50.87\00:17:55.04
teaching that really
fits in the Satan's plan,
00:17:55.07\00:17:58.94
when he personates
Christ, and seeks to
00:17:58.97\00:18:01.06
establish kingdom, and
people at that time will
00:18:01.09\00:18:03.04
say. Well look
Christ is here to establish
00:18:03.07\00:18:05.17
his kingdom. We got to
get behind it, and look
00:18:05.20\00:18:07.11
all these major
teachers that we see on
00:18:07.14\00:18:10.06
television, these
wonderful godly pastors,
00:18:10.09\00:18:13.50
and all these
individuals that have taught
00:18:13.53\00:18:15.88
us for years are
verifying that this is
00:18:15.91\00:18:18.34
happening, we got to
jump on it. We got to
00:18:18.37\00:18:20.82
follow and endorse
it, and you will find the
00:18:20.85\00:18:22.69
world wandering
after that beast power
00:18:22.72\00:18:26.35
that we find
describe there in Revelation
00:18:26.38\00:18:28.43
13 at that time.
Yeah. So this is going
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to be a big
reception. It's huge.
00:18:31.29\00:18:33.20
And the only safe
guard you have is your
00:18:33.23\00:18:36.65
Bible to really read
and study to understand
00:18:36.68\00:18:39.26
that when Jesus
comes, he is not coming to
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set up the kingdom on
the earth. He's coming
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to get a saints, and
get out, take them to
00:18:43.38\00:18:47.38
heaven for that
thousand year period, and then
00:18:47.41\00:18:49.70
he'll come back to
recreate the earth and
00:18:49.73\00:18:52.24
leave us here,
not leave us here but
00:18:52.27\00:18:54.38
come down and live
with us here forever.
00:18:54.41\00:18:56.69
Yes, so what's
beautiful about that you
00:18:56.72\00:18:58.91
just pointed out,
and I am only reiterating
00:18:58.94\00:19:01.07
this because some
times when you hear it
00:19:01.10\00:19:02.62
for the first time
it doesn't stick. John
00:19:02.65\00:19:04.84
pointed out clearly
that Jesus when he returns
00:19:04.87\00:19:06.93
he will not touch the
earth, but so many people
00:19:06.96\00:19:10.56
have been teaching
that when Jesus comes
00:19:10.59\00:19:11.97
he is going to establish
a kingdom here on earth.
00:19:12.00\00:19:13.79
They're called pretribulation
00:19:13.82\00:19:17.49
premillenialists.
They believe that there
00:19:17.52\00:19:22.45
is going to be a
secret snatching away of the
00:19:22.48\00:19:24.53
saints before the tribulation,
00:19:24.56\00:19:26.98
pretribulation and
they believe that Jesus
00:19:27.01\00:19:29.79
is going to establish
his kingdom on the earth
00:19:29.82\00:19:31.45
to begin the
millennium, premillenialists.
00:19:31.48\00:19:34.62
He is going to come
before the tribulation
00:19:34.65\00:19:36.91
and before the millennium to
00:19:36.94\00:19:38.98
establish his
kingdom here on earth.
00:19:39.01\00:19:40.35
Yeah. But Satan has
people believing that so
00:19:40.38\00:19:42.88
when Satan shows up
looking like Christ.
00:19:42.91\00:19:45.69
All the Kings who
have not yet received
00:19:45.72\00:19:48.47
authority will
stand behind him, but
00:19:48.50\00:19:51.07
according to what it
says is. Its going to be a
00:19:51.10\00:19:53.34
short duration of
time, as a matter of act
00:19:53.37\00:19:55.86
verses just a
few verses down that
00:19:55.89\00:19:58.81
was verse 12 of
Revelation 17, verse 14.
00:19:58.84\00:20:03.01
Lets read verse 13
and 14, Revelation 12,
00:20:03.04\00:20:05.62
Revelation 17,
sorry verse 12, 13 and 14.
00:20:05.65\00:20:10.89
Revelation 17
verse 12, 13 and 14,
00:20:10.92\00:20:14.44
it says well since you
read verse 12, verse 13
00:20:14.47\00:20:17.60
says "These are of
one mind, and they will
00:20:17.63\00:20:21.01
give their power and
authority to the beast."
00:20:21.04\00:20:23.39
And these, this is
the ultimate victory will
00:20:23.42\00:20:27.68
make war with the
lamb, and the lamb will
00:20:27.71\00:20:30.50
overcome them for
his Lord of Lords and
00:20:30.53\00:20:33.44
King of Kings. And
those are with him are
00:20:33.47\00:20:36.13
called chosen and
faithful. See, so that's
00:20:36.16\00:20:40.45
God's, that's the
Lord's kingdom there,
00:20:40.48\00:20:43.68
so there is another
question, should I just
00:20:43.71\00:20:47.68
segue to that
question right now John, that
00:20:47.71\00:20:50.21
somebody asked
another question along
00:20:50.24\00:20:51.69
those lines. You
wrote in script so I
00:20:51.72\00:20:58.34
can't see it, I think
its Hazel, yeah Hazel.
00:20:58.37\00:21:02.61
It says I have a
question, Daniel 2 verse
00:21:02.64\00:21:05.76
41 to 45 specially
verse 44. Lets look at that,
00:21:05.79\00:21:09.67
and I am going to
keep myself here in
00:21:09.70\00:21:11.01
Revelation because
it lends itself to this
00:21:11.04\00:21:13.56
very thing. In
Daniel 2 verse 41 to 45 you
00:21:13.59\00:21:17.68
find a picture of
the kingdoms being
00:21:17.71\00:21:19.26
established. You'll
find the dream that God
00:21:19.29\00:21:21.82
gave to
Nebuchadnezzar. But verse 44,
00:21:21.85\00:21:25.61
you have it
John, read it for me.
00:21:25.64\00:21:28.64
Verse 44, "And in
the days of these kings
00:21:28.67\00:21:32.61
the God of heaven
will set up a kingdom which
00:21:32.64\00:21:35.24
shall never be
destroyed, and the kingdom shall
00:21:35.27\00:21:37.72
not be left to other
people but it shall break
00:21:37.75\00:21:40.03
in pieces and
consume all these kingdoms,
00:21:40.06\00:21:42.14
and it shall stand
for ever." Okay, so the
00:21:42.17\00:21:45.52
question I asked
was are these kings
00:21:45.55\00:21:49.47
the ones in
Revelation 17 verse 12 to 14
00:21:49.50\00:21:53.32
which have
received no kingdom as yet,
00:21:53.35\00:21:55.87
but receive power
and authority as kings
00:21:55.90\00:21:58.67
one hour with
the beast. They will
00:21:58.70\00:22:00.50
definitely be included.
Yes. Okay, now what you
00:22:00.53\00:22:03.93
have here in Daniel 2,
is you have Daniel writing
00:22:03.96\00:22:07.63
about the vision
that Nebuchadnezzar had of
00:22:07.66\00:22:10.04
Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.
00:22:10.07\00:22:12.07
You will have
reminisce of Babylon because
00:22:12.10\00:22:14.41
this is a Babylonian
system. Revelation 17,
00:22:14.44\00:22:16.68
you'll have a
tyrannical power of the Medo
00:22:16.71\00:22:19.11
Persians, you will
have the skill and the
00:22:19.14\00:22:21.86
mastery of the
generals of Greece, and you
00:22:21.89\00:22:24.87
will have the power and
the overwhelming religious,
00:22:24.90\00:22:28.52
religio-political
coalition of Rome. So
00:22:28.55\00:22:32.00
you're going to have
reminisce of all those
00:22:32.03\00:22:33.13
kingdoms there, but
with all those powers
00:22:33.16\00:22:35.76
coalesced together
and they by the way
00:22:35.79\00:22:37.69
is so much in
Revelation 17. But with all
00:22:37.72\00:22:40.53
those powers coalesced
together, you are going
00:22:40.56\00:22:42.60
to have one kingdom
of Christ and let me just
00:22:42.63\00:22:45.21
give you an overreaching
you very, very briefly,
00:22:45.24\00:22:48.35
since you did bring
up Revelation 17 about
00:22:48.38\00:22:51.07
the Kings. These ten
Kings haven't received a
00:22:51.10\00:22:55.25
kingdom yet and as
John pointed out and we just
00:22:55.28\00:22:58.02
discussed, they are
going to stand behind
00:22:58.05\00:22:59.82
this beast, this
authority which is Satan
00:22:59.85\00:23:02.37
himself for one
short time, but there are
00:23:02.40\00:23:06.53
seven heads that are
part of that entire system,
00:23:06.56\00:23:08.72
spiritualism, hedonism,
atheism, Judaism, Islam,
00:23:08.75\00:23:13.68
Catholicism,
apostate, protestantism, all
00:23:13.71\00:23:17.68
coalesced together
under the leadership of Satan,
00:23:17.71\00:23:20.52
the head of Babylon.
So the answer is that yes
00:23:20.55\00:23:23.99
and no, yes Daniel
8:44, all these kings
00:23:24.02\00:23:28.77
will be included in
that but in the direct way
00:23:28.80\00:23:31.65
they are not referring
directly to the kingdoms
00:23:31.68\00:23:35.51
that have not yet
received authority or
00:23:35.54\00:23:38.39
the kings that have
not received authority.
00:23:38.42\00:23:39.99
Right, kind of
direct prophetic connection.
00:23:40.02\00:23:41.17
Right because there
was a kingdom Babylon,
00:23:41.20\00:23:42.58
Medo Persia,
Greece, and Rome, they had
00:23:42.61\00:23:45.48
authority in the
past, but reminiscence of
00:23:45.51\00:23:47.75
those kingdoms
would be once again
00:23:47.78\00:23:49.42
represented in the
end. Yeah, good, good.
00:23:49.45\00:23:52.63
Anything else. No,
I think we're good,
00:23:52.66\00:23:55.45
it's time I think to
get into our subject. Yes.
00:23:55.48\00:23:58.91
The Great
Controversy. I tell you John
00:23:58.94\00:24:01.82
that is a passage
that is of magnificent
00:24:01.85\00:24:05.45
proportion. If
you have your Bibles,
00:24:05.48\00:24:07.29
and by the way, I
know we brought up a lot
00:24:07.32\00:24:09.66
of questions, if you
have any comments you
00:24:09.69\00:24:11.23
like to send to us or
any questions about anything
00:24:11.26\00:24:13.84
we just talked
about, send them to
00:24:13.87\00:24:15.57
housecalls@3abn.org, That's
00:24:15.60\00:24:16.67
housecalls@3abn.org.
And once again we'll
00:24:16.70\00:24:22.44
try our best by
God's grace to make sense
00:24:22.47\00:24:25.21
of it, and answer
it according to the
00:24:25.24\00:24:27.07
scriptures. Thank
you so much for sending
00:24:27.10\00:24:28.51
those questions, and I
like the fact John that
00:24:28.54\00:24:30.73
our viewers and our
listeners challenge us,
00:24:30.76\00:24:33.04
and that's good.
You know there are
00:24:33.07\00:24:35.99
some questions that
are repetitious, if you
00:24:36.02\00:24:38.10
haven't heard the
answer before send them
00:24:38.13\00:24:40.26
anyway, but thank
you for your correct
00:24:40.29\00:24:42.37
questions and
comments, and even for the
00:24:42.40\00:24:44.61
ones that come in as snail mail.
00:24:44.64\00:24:46.50
We like them all. That's right.
00:24:46.53\00:24:48.66
Revelation 12.
You know, yeah we want
00:24:48.69\00:24:52.13
to start with
Revelation 12, so if you have
00:24:52.16\00:24:53.78
your Bible in hand
open it that's where we're
00:24:53.81\00:24:56.80
going to spend some
of our time here today at
00:24:56.83\00:24:59.51
least it will be our
spring board passage into
00:24:59.54\00:25:01.33
the Great Controversy.
Now John, lets talk about
00:25:01.36\00:25:04.52
this title here
the Great Controversy.
00:25:04.55\00:25:07.79
Controversies are
conflicts. That's right.
00:25:07.82\00:25:13.09
You know there
are two forces at odds
00:25:13.12\00:25:16.29
with each other.
They don't agree, and
00:25:16.32\00:25:19.63
obviously the word
great there tells us
00:25:19.66\00:25:22.90
that it is the
supreme controversy, it's the
00:25:22.93\00:25:25.03
highest, it's the
greatest of all or it's
00:25:25.06\00:25:26.69
the highest controversy
that exists. That's right.
00:25:26.72\00:25:29.54
You know before we
even get to Revelation
00:25:29.57\00:25:33.50
12, I think
Revelation 12 opens up something
00:25:33.53\00:25:37.79
that another text
clearly points to in a
00:25:37.82\00:25:39.97
very quick
reference I'll just read that.
00:25:40.00\00:25:42.53
Don't leave
Revelation 12 there John.
00:25:42.56\00:25:43.89
Okay, I will wait
for you. From Ephesians
00:25:43.92\00:25:47.04
chapter 6. Okay. And
it says here in verse 12.
00:25:47.07\00:25:57.27
"For we do not wrestle
against flesh and blood,
00:25:57.30\00:26:01.52
but against
principalities, against powers,
00:26:01.55\00:26:05.19
against the rulers of
the darkness of this age,
00:26:05.22\00:26:08.13
against spiritual
hosts of wickedness in the
00:26:08.16\00:26:11.30
heavenly places."
So speaking of a battle
00:26:11.33\00:26:14.34
of wrestling of this
controversy. What we're
00:26:14.37\00:26:18.90
talking about there
is not a controversy that
00:26:18.93\00:26:21.38
we can necessarily
see with our own eyes
00:26:21.41\00:26:24.20
but one that exists
behind the scenes that
00:26:24.23\00:26:26.99
if you are looking
you will clearly see that.
00:26:27.02\00:26:29.98
And Revelation 12
opens up that controversy
00:26:30.01\00:26:33.62
where it began, the
parties that are involved
00:26:33.65\00:26:36.55
and that's where we
like to spend time doing
00:26:36.58\00:26:39.22
here in the next
couple of programs is breaking
00:26:39.25\00:26:41.88
down this Great
Controversy, so we can
00:26:41.91\00:26:43.77
understand it. Yes.
What are these principalities
00:26:43.80\00:26:45.95
and powers and
rulers of darkness that are
00:26:45.98\00:26:49.17
warning against us
that we cannot see?
00:26:49.20\00:26:51.18
Jeremiah does his
part to bring in the word
00:26:51.21\00:26:54.81
controversy and I
want to read that passage
00:26:54.84\00:26:57.82
to you Jeremiah 25,
and verse 30 and verse 31.
00:26:57.85\00:27:02.80
Jeremiah is one of
the probably it is a huge
00:27:02.83\00:27:09.58
book but his prophecies
are not read very much.
00:27:09.61\00:27:12.15
You know Jeremiah,
Ezekiel, their prophecies
00:27:12.18\00:27:16.33
sometimes presents
to the reader a quandary
00:27:16.36\00:27:18.67
saying well, what
does Jeremiah mean, and
00:27:18.70\00:27:21.76
they mentioned
nations and kings that seem
00:27:21.79\00:27:25.07
to be so irrelevant to
the contemporary person
00:27:25.10\00:27:27.56
that's reading the
Bible. Moresheth and Zimri
00:27:27.59\00:27:33.74
and they talk about
names that you'll think
00:27:33.77\00:27:37.56
well what does it have
to me with me at all today.
00:27:37.59\00:27:39.41
But when you look at
what is actually being
00:27:39.44\00:27:42.11
said in an
overreaching fashion, you'll see
00:27:42.14\00:27:44.53
that the Lord in
the midst of this, is
00:27:44.56\00:27:46.59
talking about the
stand he has with the world
00:27:46.62\00:27:49.45
and the condition
that it is in. Jeremiah
00:27:49.48\00:27:52.60
25 verse 30, "The
Lord says therefore
00:27:52.63\00:27:55.84
prophecy against
them all these words
00:27:55.87\00:27:58.88
and say to them.
The Lord will roar
00:27:58.91\00:28:01.69
from on high, roar
from on high, and utter
00:28:01.72\00:28:05.40
His voice from His
holy habitation; He will
00:28:05.43\00:28:08.60
roar mightily
against His fold. He will
00:28:08.63\00:28:12.67
give a shout, as
those who tread the grapes."
00:28:12.70\00:28:17.13
Language used in
Revelation, language
00:28:17.16\00:28:19.35
used in Isaiah
against all the inhabitants
00:28:19.38\00:28:22.48
of the earth.
First 31 the key verse,
00:28:22.51\00:28:25.47
a noise will come to
the ends of the earth
00:28:25.50\00:28:30.37
for the Lord has a
controversy with the
00:28:30.40\00:28:34.43
nations. He will plead
his case with all flesh.
00:28:34.46\00:28:37.72
He will give those who
are wicked to the sword
00:28:37.75\00:28:41.14
says the Lord. So
notice what's happening here,
00:28:41.17\00:28:43.89
the Lord is saying.
In another words if you
00:28:43.92\00:28:46.32
would summarize
this and paraphrase it,
00:28:46.35\00:28:48.15
God is saying I am
shouting as loudly as I
00:28:48.18\00:28:50.25
possibly could, I
am pleading with you
00:28:50.28\00:28:52.51
because the problem
here in the word controversy
00:28:52.54\00:28:55.24
there is the word
pleading. That's another
00:28:55.27\00:28:58.38
application in the
Greek for the word, Hebrew
00:28:58.41\00:29:00.66
for the word controversy. I am
00:29:00.69\00:29:02.37
pleading, there
is strife here, I am
00:29:02.40\00:29:06.31
chiding, I am
trying to, I am contending
00:29:06.34\00:29:09.30
with you, I am trying
to get your attention,
00:29:09.33\00:29:10.83
I am trying to save
you. I have got an issue here
00:29:10.86\00:29:12.75
that's great in
significant paramount
00:29:12.78\00:29:15.32
issues, but this
controversy the reason
00:29:15.35\00:29:19.15
why the word controversy
is the word that we've
00:29:19.18\00:29:20.89
chosen is because
Satan is saying on one
00:29:20.92\00:29:23.26
hand it doesn't matter.
Christ is saying it's of
00:29:23.29\00:29:25.23
utmost importance.
Satan is saying don't worry.
00:29:25.26\00:29:27.70
Christ is saying
your life is at stake,
00:29:27.73\00:29:30.20
you see. That's
right. Well lets go into this
00:29:30.23\00:29:35.04
Great Controversy
as far as Revelation 12
00:29:35.07\00:29:37.70
perspective here
because it does tell the story
00:29:37.73\00:29:41.06
way back when as sin
began, this controversy
00:29:41.09\00:29:45.36
began and we have
already spilled the beans about
00:29:45.39\00:29:48.94
who the controversy
is between, so we don't
00:29:48.97\00:29:50.75
have to necessarily
do that, but lets unfold
00:29:50.78\00:29:52.51
here what
Revelation 12 has to say about
00:29:52.54\00:29:55.27
those two parties and
how this battle ensured.
00:29:55.30\00:29:57.71
Okay, let's break it
down. We will start with
00:29:57.74\00:29:58.71
verse 1. Start with
verse 1, start from the
00:29:58.72\00:30:01.06
beginning. Now a great
sign appeared in heaven:
00:30:01.09\00:30:02.95
a woman clothed with
the sun, with the moon
00:30:02.98\00:30:06.46
under her feet, and
on her head a garland
00:30:06.49\00:30:08.81
of twelve stars.
Okay. We don't necessarily
00:30:08.84\00:30:11.88
want to break down
every single symbol.
00:30:11.91\00:30:13.70
This one is
already. But this is good one
00:30:13.73\00:30:16.08
to start with
because these symbols are
00:30:16.11\00:30:17.66
very important to
the Great Controversy.
00:30:17.69\00:30:19.53
The woman is the
first sign that appears
00:30:19.56\00:30:24.33
in heaven in. We
find in Jeremiah 6 verse 2
00:30:24.36\00:30:27.23
that God had spoken
there and considered
00:30:27.26\00:30:32.12
his people as,
people Zion has a lovely and
00:30:32.15\00:30:36.64
delicate woman. So
a woman that is pure
00:30:36.67\00:30:40.26
seems to indicate
God's people. Okay, so I
00:30:40.29\00:30:44.43
don't think we have a
big dispute about that.
00:30:44.46\00:30:46.06
I think that most
people can agree with that.
00:30:46.09\00:30:47.96
In Ephesians 5:25
right about there I think
00:30:47.99\00:30:51.19
it says that
husbands love your wives as
00:30:51.22\00:30:56.12
Christ love the church,
so Christ even considers
00:30:56.15\00:30:58.58
the church, his
people as a woman. There is a
00:30:58.61\00:31:02.15
intimate relationship
with, so clearly the
00:31:02.18\00:31:04.69
Bible over and
over goes back to his
00:31:04.72\00:31:07.34
people as being this
beautiful woman, this
00:31:07.37\00:31:09.61
woman that he
is, he is moving and
00:31:09.64\00:31:11.43
he is trying to
draw to him. This passage
00:31:11.46\00:31:13.70
uses the word woman
so many, many times.
00:31:13.73\00:31:15.96
Just to get an
idea of how pure she is,
00:31:15.99\00:31:19.53
I want to read, matter
of fact what read verse
00:31:19.56\00:31:24.58
2 John and we'll
break that down, and I think
00:31:24.61\00:31:26.51
to some degree its
good to break it down
00:31:26.54\00:31:28.29
as we go along because
if we're going to spend
00:31:28.32\00:31:30.45
a couple of programs,
I think we will be able
00:31:30.48\00:31:32.01
to cover all the
passages here which are
00:31:32.04\00:31:33.40
only, which are only
17 verses. So we'll try
00:31:33.43\00:31:36.90
our best to go
through those methodically,
00:31:36.93\00:31:38.38
so that you can understand the
00:31:38.41\00:31:39.53
controversy that's
going on here. This woman
00:31:39.56\00:31:42.17
is beautiful, she
has a crown on her head,
00:31:42.20\00:31:45.17
the glory of God,
but a moon, moon doesn't
00:31:45.20\00:31:48.24
have any light of
its own, a moon reflects
00:31:48.27\00:31:51.06
the light of the
Sun. So the woman doesn't
00:31:51.09\00:31:55.41
have any light of
her own. She's reflecting
00:31:55.44\00:31:58.54
the glory of God.
The church doesn't have
00:31:58.57\00:32:02.38
any light of its
own, it's reflecting the
00:32:02.41\00:32:04.96
message of God to
glory of God's word,
00:32:04.99\00:32:08.21
the truth of God's
word. It does not originate
00:32:08.24\00:32:10.92
with us anymore than
it originated with this
00:32:10.95\00:32:13.61
woman who is
clothed with the Sun. And by
00:32:13.64\00:32:17.38
the way how amazing
it is John that the woman
00:32:17.41\00:32:19.52
is referred to us as
clothed. Eve, Adam were
00:32:19.55\00:32:23.04
clothed before they
fell. When they fell
00:32:23.07\00:32:26.12
they lost their clothing. This
00:32:26.15\00:32:27.84
woman hasn't lost her
clothing. That's right.
00:32:27.87\00:32:30.33
And then you go later
on Revelation, I think
00:32:30.36\00:32:32.62
its Revelation
chapter 19 or 16 verses,
00:32:32.65\00:32:34.65
I'll find the verse.
It says "Blessed is he
00:32:34.68\00:32:36.88
that keeps his
garments, lest he walk
00:32:36.91\00:32:38.69
naked, and they see his shame."
00:32:38.72\00:32:40.50
Well it's a direct
reference here to also
00:32:40.53\00:32:42.89
the Sun. In
Malachi 4 verse 2. Okay.
00:32:42.92\00:32:46.25
To you who fear
my name the sun of
00:32:46.28\00:32:48.77
righteousness.
There you go. Shall arise
00:32:48.80\00:32:51.18
with healing in its
wings, and you shall go
00:32:51.21\00:32:53.40
out and grow fat like
stall fed calves, so the
00:32:53.43\00:32:56.61
reference there is
the sun, and that's sun
00:32:56.64\00:32:58.86
is used in that
passage. The sun of
00:32:58.89\00:33:01.46
righteousness, so.
What verse again was that.
00:33:01.49\00:33:03.94
Malachi 4:2. Okay.
So, the Sun there is
00:33:03.97\00:33:08.89
similar to what
we see is reference
00:33:08.92\00:33:10.90
here that is
emanating from this woman,
00:33:10.93\00:33:12.90
this brightness
tends to be what we see
00:33:12.93\00:33:14.92
as being her righteousness, not
00:33:14.95\00:33:17.48
that she is a
literal sun but that she is
00:33:17.51\00:33:19.36
righteous in
her way. She's pure,
00:33:19.39\00:33:22.44
she does things
that are pleasing to God
00:33:22.47\00:33:24.41
and that are
righteous in his sight. So,
00:33:24.44\00:33:27.20
we're already seeing
a very positive start
00:33:27.23\00:33:30.86
to Revelation
chapter 12, but with that
00:33:30.89\00:33:34.31
positive start also we have then
00:33:34.34\00:33:36.40
the opposition.
Okay. That we're going
00:33:36.43\00:33:39.11
to get to here in
just a minute, but you've
00:33:39.14\00:33:41.49
identified the moon
there, the sun and the
00:33:41.52\00:33:42.89
moon, head, on
her head a garland of
00:33:42.92\00:33:45.73
twelve stars. Now
what would that refer to.
00:33:45.76\00:33:48.63
Well twelve refers
to the kingdom number,
00:33:48.66\00:33:51.16
you'll find in
Revelation 12, gates to a
00:33:51.19\00:33:53.18
foundation,
twelve apostle, twelve
00:33:53.21\00:33:54.67
disciples. The
number twelve is the kingdom
00:33:54.70\00:33:56.35
number, and the
reason why it says twelve
00:33:56.38\00:33:58.09
stars the glory
of the New Testament
00:33:58.12\00:34:01.43
church emanated
from the work of the Old
00:34:01.46\00:34:04.34
Testament church twelve
tribes, twelve disciples,
00:34:04.37\00:34:09.01
twelve apostles, so
the glory of God carried
00:34:09.04\00:34:12.29
through from the
beginning in his Old
00:34:12.32\00:34:14.27
Testament church
and in the New Testament
00:34:14.30\00:34:16.91
church, twelve being
the kingdom number of God.
00:34:16.94\00:34:19.24
That's why the
glory of this woman is
00:34:19.27\00:34:21.97
reflected in her
past, and in her future.
00:34:22.00\00:34:24.68
That's right. The
glory of God. He has never
00:34:24.71\00:34:26.92
been without a
message. God has never
00:34:26.95\00:34:29.05
been without a
people, and so that's
00:34:29.08\00:34:30.84
what he is
talking about, the kingdom
00:34:30.87\00:34:32.18
of God is fully
established. You said
00:34:32.21\00:34:33.95
something very
quickly there that I want
00:34:33.98\00:34:36.05
to emphasize, God
has never been without
00:34:36.08\00:34:37.61
a people. Okay.
This is important because
00:34:37.64\00:34:40.60
where God had a
people from way back when
00:34:40.63\00:34:43.96
and most recently to
the context of this verse,
00:34:43.99\00:34:46.96
the twelve tribes
of Israel, and how his
00:34:46.99\00:34:50.32
people at this time
that he was using or
00:34:50.35\00:34:53.97
trying to use to
share the gospel with all
00:34:54.00\00:34:56.41
the world. We find
as transitions to the
00:34:56.44\00:34:59.80
church in the New
Testament era, the
00:34:59.83\00:35:03.53
twelve is still a
very applicable number
00:35:03.56\00:35:05.20
because it so
refers to God's people,
00:35:05.23\00:35:06.51
this is in some new
covenant in the context
00:35:06.54\00:35:10.40
of completely
replacing the old. The old
00:35:10.43\00:35:13.13
transitions to the new,
it is all the everlasting
00:35:13.16\00:35:16.01
covenant. It's all
one long covenant that
00:35:16.04\00:35:18.57
God has with a
people that he has chosen.
00:35:18.60\00:35:20.72
So they don't
coexist in some dual covenant
00:35:20.75\00:35:24.39
state. You know,
the twelve tribes
00:35:24.42\00:35:27.24
along with the
twelve churches that you
00:35:27.27\00:35:29.91
know we've heard all
kinds of scenarios out
00:35:29.94\00:35:32.02
there that are given
today. But God's people,
00:35:32.05\00:35:34.29
he's always had a
people, and in this date
00:35:34.32\00:35:37.08
as we begin to read
Revelation chapter 12.
00:35:37.11\00:35:39.67
We're finding that
the state of the church
00:35:39.70\00:35:42.10
prior to the
literal church, the early
00:35:42.13\00:35:44.86
church. This is
prior to Christ birth, and
00:35:44.89\00:35:47.21
we'll see that here
in the next couple of
00:35:47.24\00:35:48.21
verses. Okay,
go to verse 3 then.
00:35:48.22\00:35:50.85
Then being with
child, she cried out in labor
00:35:50.88\00:35:54.00
and in pain to give
birth. And another sign
00:35:54.03\00:35:57.39
appeared in heaven:
behold, a great, fiery
00:35:57.42\00:36:00.18
red dragon
having seven heads and
00:36:00.21\00:36:02.40
ten horns, and seven
diadems on his heads.
00:36:02.43\00:36:05.95
Okay, now you'll
notice, he had seven crowns
00:36:05.98\00:36:11.83
because he had seven
heads. Right. Right, you
00:36:11.86\00:36:16.19
notice there is something
important here and this
00:36:16.22\00:36:21.88
dragon had a particular
function and I want to
00:36:21.91\00:36:25.30
go down to that
verse and then come back
00:36:25.33\00:36:27.76
because of what he
attempted to do. He was
00:36:27.79\00:36:31.76
waiting for something
to occur, and you will
00:36:31.79\00:36:33.89
understand the
historical application
00:36:33.92\00:36:35.47
of this. As we
begin you find the Great
00:36:35.50\00:36:38.13
Controversy and I want
to point out to the fact
00:36:38.16\00:36:41.61
that Isaiah does his
part, Isaiah does his
00:36:41.64\00:36:45.63
part to give ear to
this Great Controversy.
00:36:45.66\00:36:47.76
We will see what
happens. We're at
00:36:47.79\00:36:50.09
verse 3. Yes.
We were at verse 3.
00:36:50.12\00:36:53.51
Another sign
appearing in heaven.
00:36:53.54\00:36:55.49
Now identify the
child though. Okay. That's
00:36:55.52\00:36:58.09
verse 2, so this woman
has, she is with child,
00:36:58.12\00:37:02.30
she's in labor and
she's in pain about to
00:37:02.33\00:37:04.62
give birth. Okay. Okay
and so there is a child
00:37:04.65\00:37:07.26
here that is
introduced that is going to come
00:37:07.29\00:37:10.72
upon the scene
here that this fiery
00:37:10.75\00:37:12.68
red dragon is in
great opposition to. Did you
00:37:12.71\00:37:15.63
read verse 4? No,
let's read on verse 4.
00:37:15.66\00:37:17.57
Because that's fits
in good. The tail drew a
00:37:17.60\00:37:19.67
third part of the
stars, this is the tail
00:37:19.70\00:37:21.68
of this dragon, a
third of the stars of
00:37:21.71\00:37:23.81
heaven and threw
them to the earth,
00:37:23.84\00:37:25.44
and the dragon
stood before the woman
00:37:25.47\00:37:27.55
who was ready to
give birth to devour her
00:37:27.58\00:37:29.68
Child, capital
seed child in many of
00:37:29.71\00:37:32.45
our Bibles as soon it was born.
00:37:32.48\00:37:36.17
And who is this
child verse 5. She bore a
00:37:36.20\00:37:39.14
male child who was
to rule all nations
00:37:39.17\00:37:42.91
with a rod of
iron. And her child was
00:37:42.94\00:37:45.87
caught up to God
and His throne. That
00:37:45.90\00:37:48.18
child is Jesus, and
you will find that under
00:37:48.21\00:37:50.64
Pagan Rome, you not
only see the controversy
00:37:50.67\00:37:54.53
in the very beginning
of Satan being caste out
00:37:54.56\00:37:56.77
to the earth, but
you'll see that this woman
00:37:56.80\00:38:00.35
who represents the New
Testament church and in
00:38:00.38\00:38:03.75
particular in this
particular story when
00:38:03.78\00:38:06.61
Mary was about to
give birth to Jesus.
00:38:06.64\00:38:08.88
It was Satan's
attempt through Herod to
00:38:08.91\00:38:12.81
find out where
Jesus was being born.
00:38:12.84\00:38:15.45
You remember the
story of the three
00:38:15.48\00:38:17.39
wise men. Well
they didn't say how many
00:38:17.42\00:38:18.97
wise men but the
wise men, you know we have
00:38:19.00\00:38:20.53
to say three, but the
wise men when they went
00:38:20.56\00:38:22.45
to Jerusalem, they
asked where is the birth of,
00:38:22.48\00:38:25.07
where is the King,
where is the messiah,
00:38:25.10\00:38:26.75
where is the Jesus,
where is the one that
00:38:26.78\00:38:27.96
was said to be born
and they said we heard that
00:38:27.99\00:38:31.87
it was supposed to be
in Bethlehem of Ephrata.
00:38:31.90\00:38:34.40
They didn't even
have the experience,
00:38:34.43\00:38:36.45
they didn't know
where it was going to be,
00:38:36.48\00:38:37.66
but they just gave
reference and so from
00:38:37.69\00:38:39.11
there the wise men
went to Bethlehem where
00:38:39.14\00:38:41.95
they found Jesus lying
in a manger. But before
00:38:41.98\00:38:44.18
they went Herod
heard about this and he was
00:38:44.21\00:38:46.43
troubled and he says
when you find out where
00:38:46.46\00:38:48.94
this child is
bring back the news, and
00:38:48.97\00:38:53.06
I thought it
was amazing. He used
00:38:53.09\00:38:54.43
worship the same
way, Satan uses worship.
00:38:54.46\00:38:56.55
Bring back the
news and I will go and
00:38:56.58\00:38:58.92
worship him. He
didn't want to worship
00:38:58.95\00:39:00.47
this child, what
did he want to do?
00:39:00.50\00:39:01.75
He wanted to
kill him. He wanted to
00:39:01.78\00:39:03.18
devour that child
as soon as he was born,
00:39:03.21\00:39:05.96
and I thought
how amazing when you
00:39:05.99\00:39:07.93
read the story in
the book of Matthew that
00:39:07.96\00:39:09.72
Jesus and Jesus is
kept safe by the Lord
00:39:09.75\00:39:14.98
revealing to Joseph
to take the child and
00:39:15.01\00:39:18.30
go to Egypt. Now
we say Egypt today
00:39:18.33\00:39:21.26
but that's Northern
Africa. Take this child
00:39:21.29\00:39:23.56
to Northern Africa and
stay there until danger
00:39:23.59\00:39:26.30
is past, and he
stayed there until
00:39:26.33\00:39:28.56
Herod the very King
that want to kill him
00:39:28.59\00:39:30.73
was now dead. Yeah.
But you know the story
00:39:30.76\00:39:33.37
John and this is
where history fits so
00:39:33.40\00:39:35.47
wonderfully
that Herod showed his
00:39:35.50\00:39:39.74
intend because he
killed all male children
00:39:39.77\00:39:42.63
two years old and
under, which means he
00:39:42.66\00:39:45.83
waited about two
years before the wise men to
00:39:45.86\00:39:48.32
come back and they
never did, so he says
00:39:48.35\00:39:50.71
go to Bethlehem and
kill all the male children
00:39:50.74\00:39:53.68
two years old and
under. And then the Bible
00:39:53.71\00:39:55.60
has another
prophecy of the weeping,
00:39:55.63\00:39:57.64
Rachel is weeping
for his children and she
00:39:57.67\00:40:00.36
would not be comforted.
See all this bloodshed
00:40:00.39\00:40:03.37
because Satan was
determined if we kill
00:40:03.40\00:40:05.56
all the children
two years old and under,
00:40:05.59\00:40:07.15
chances are we
kill Jesus, but can
00:40:07.18\00:40:10.38
you kill Jesus?
No, no And that's where
00:40:10.41\00:40:12.81
we are so far. And
yeah the interesting thing
00:40:12.84\00:40:14.75
is here is notice how
closely that this dragon
00:40:14.78\00:40:19.02
which we'll read
is clearly Satan here
00:40:19.05\00:40:21.14
coming up. How
closely he is related to this
00:40:21.17\00:40:25.41
power of Rome to do
his work. That's right.
00:40:25.44\00:40:30.28
You see when
Revelation speaks as it goes
00:40:30.31\00:40:32.80
through and it
talks about this beast and
00:40:32.83\00:40:34.46
these powers that
are opposing Christ.
00:40:34.49\00:40:36.89
How Satan is in
the mix in all of them.
00:40:36.92\00:40:39.52
In all of them,
that's right. Okay, so he
00:40:39.55\00:40:41.23
closely identifies,
in fact if you look at
00:40:41.26\00:40:43.03
Revelation 13, it
says the first piece of
00:40:43.06\00:40:45.32
13 is given
authority by Satan himself for
00:40:45.35\00:40:49.00
the dragon. The next
beast starting in verse
00:40:49.03\00:40:51.73
11 works in with the
same authority as the first
00:40:51.76\00:40:54.81
beast, okay. So
clearly we find Satan
00:40:54.84\00:40:57.97
in the midst or so
involved with these
00:40:58.00\00:41:01.55
kingdoms. Pulling
the strings. He speaks
00:41:01.58\00:41:04.12
of him as doing
the work. That's right
00:41:04.15\00:41:05.83
That's important,
that's an important
00:41:05.86\00:41:08.06
key to the rest
of the Revelation as
00:41:08.09\00:41:09.96
it talks about
these different things
00:41:09.99\00:41:11.35
because Satan is
clearly identified, and often
00:41:11.38\00:41:15.01
Revelation will
back and forth between
00:41:15.04\00:41:16.80
talking about
that nation and Satan
00:41:16.83\00:41:18.19
himself. You
know what's wonderful
00:41:18.22\00:41:21.03
about this also John as
we're talking about this
00:41:21.06\00:41:22.76
and I believe the
Lord impresses upon my mind
00:41:22.79\00:41:24.63
is that had Satan
known where Jesus was,
00:41:24.66\00:41:29.47
he would not have
wasted his time to just
00:41:29.50\00:41:32.51
kill all the kids that
are two years old or under.
00:41:32.54\00:41:34.31
He would have
gone directly to Jesus.
00:41:34.34\00:41:35.74
But such is so beautiful
about that is this great
00:41:35.77\00:41:39.48
time of trouble
that came upon Bethlehem
00:41:39.51\00:41:41.33
and all the mothers
that are there. The Lord
00:41:41.36\00:41:44.78
hid his son from
the one who wanted to
00:41:44.81\00:41:48.57
destroy him. So
what that says to me
00:41:48.60\00:41:50.92
is in the time of
trouble and Psalms
00:41:50.95\00:41:52.81
91 says it: "Under
his wings shall we trust:
00:41:52.84\00:41:57.03
his truth shall be our
shield and our defense."
00:41:57.06\00:42:00.04
So when difficulty
comes the Lord has, Satan
00:42:00.07\00:42:03.79
lost all cool if I
could use the word there.
00:42:03.82\00:42:06.83
He just decided
to go onto this great
00:42:06.86\00:42:08.67
slaughter of
killing all the children two
00:42:08.70\00:42:10.20
years old and under,
but he couldn't find Jesus.
00:42:10.23\00:42:12.70
Jesus was in fact being
protected by his Father;
00:42:12.73\00:42:18.04
the holy angels
protected Jesus during
00:42:18.07\00:42:20.74
this time of great
slaughter. But then
00:42:20.77\00:42:23.51
he says in verse 5
just to make it very,
00:42:23.54\00:42:25.34
very clear what
happened to Jesus.
00:42:25.37\00:42:26.98
She bore a male
child who was to rule
00:42:27.01\00:42:31.26
all nations with the
rod of iron, and then
00:42:31.29\00:42:33.40
ultimately and her
child was caught up to God
00:42:33.43\00:42:37.00
and his throne. So
Jesus is the one sitting
00:42:37.03\00:42:42.12
at the right hand
of the Father not that
00:42:42.15\00:42:44.10
he just sat there
for the first time,
00:42:44.13\00:42:45.69
but after he
finished his earthly work he
00:42:45.72\00:42:48.71
ascended back to where
he came, and I like that
00:42:48.74\00:42:51.51
in John 8, I
think it's John 8:44.
00:42:51.54\00:42:53.53
Where Jesus said
I am the bread that
00:42:53.56\00:42:57.35
came down from heaven. When they
00:42:57.38\00:42:59.04
wondered well how
could you give me bread.
00:42:59.07\00:43:00.59
He says Moses
was not that bread,
00:43:00.62\00:43:02.59
but I am the bread
that came down from
00:43:02.62\00:43:05.17
heaven. So where
he came from is where
00:43:05.20\00:43:07.25
he went back to,
came down incarnate in
00:43:07.28\00:43:10.20
that child, and
then when he has done his
00:43:10.23\00:43:12.06
work, but Satan
couldn't kill and
00:43:12.09\00:43:13.96
that's the good news
here. That's right. Now
00:43:13.99\00:43:15.69
verse 6 talks about
how this woman after he
00:43:15.72\00:43:19.97
was caught up to
his throne to sit at the
00:43:20.00\00:43:22.46
right hand of
his Father. How this
00:43:22.49\00:43:24.13
woman fled into the wilderness.
00:43:24.16\00:43:25.84
That's right.
For a period of one
00:43:25.87\00:43:28.22
thousand two
hundred and sixty days,
00:43:28.25\00:43:30.31
and we know a day
equals a year in prophetic
00:43:30.34\00:43:33.05
times, so this is
a twelve hundred and
00:43:33.08\00:43:34.92
sixty year period
which is the same,
00:43:34.95\00:43:37.52
which is a direct
reference to verse 14 as well.
00:43:39.03\00:43:42.45
So we got to connect these,
so in between that passage
00:43:42.48\00:43:46.27
and verse 14 on, we are
going to find this story
00:43:46.30\00:43:51.61
back up just a little
bit, and here's probably is
00:43:51.64\00:43:54.42
the easiest way to explain
what we are reading here.
00:43:54.45\00:43:56.52
Whenever you read a book,
you're reading a nice story,
00:43:56.55\00:44:00.15
you open a book and
it's a story about a family
00:44:00.18\00:44:04.57
and the different
people involved in the story
00:44:04.60\00:44:06.75
and the characters that
come into this story are
00:44:06.78\00:44:09.44
introduced one by one
often and as you're reading
00:44:09.47\00:44:11.88
this book you get
to maybe a new chapter
00:44:11.91\00:44:13.95
and all of a sudden it
will shift gears a little bit
00:44:13.98\00:44:16.50
because it wants to
bring another character in.
00:44:16.53\00:44:18.30
Right, okay. So it
will say well and there was
00:44:18.33\00:44:21.11
this man who you know
completely out of story
00:44:21.14\00:44:23.53
you've already read
and he was from Omaha
00:44:23.56\00:44:26.46
and he rode his chariot
in and so forth and so on.
00:44:26.49\00:44:29.32
So that new chapter
will back up and give
00:44:29.35\00:44:32.67
you a different perspective
from someone else's angle,
00:44:32.70\00:44:34.87
and another
character's angle coming in,
00:44:34.90\00:44:36.22
what we find here is this
war that broke out in heaven
00:44:36.25\00:44:39.78
is the story backing up a
little bit and saying okay
00:44:39.81\00:44:43.04
now to where we got,
where were you just read,
00:44:43.07\00:44:45.96
we need to give you
the rest of the story.
00:44:45.99\00:44:47.61
So we are going to
go back, way back when
00:44:47.64\00:44:50.10
and we are going to
talk about what happened
00:44:50.13\00:44:52.16
in the beginning. To
get this dragon to where
00:44:52.19\00:44:55.19
he is today doing
what he is doing with this
00:44:55.22\00:44:56.95
male child. Here's where
we start and that's verse 7.
00:44:56.98\00:45:01.10
Did you finish,
you read verse 6 right,
00:45:01.13\00:45:03.40
I just read verse 6 and
emphasize this point here,
00:45:03.43\00:45:05.93
I wanna bring out is
this women talked about here.
00:45:05.96\00:45:08.00
I think we know by now
but it I think it bears
00:45:08.03\00:45:10.01
repeating for those
who may not catch it.
00:45:10.04\00:45:12.40
This is the existence of
the Church, how she survived,
00:45:12.43\00:45:16.15
right, how the Church survived?
00:45:16.18\00:45:18.32
The New Testament
Church on to the Roman powers
00:45:18.35\00:45:21.19
where Christians were
being slaughtered by the
00:45:21.22\00:45:24.09
thousands, there was
a ten year period Roman
00:45:24.12\00:45:27.07
emperor Diocletian tried
to wipe out the Christians
00:45:27.10\00:45:29.81
Church from 303 to 313
A.D, tried to wipe them out,
00:45:29.84\00:45:33.46
but they couldn't
wipe them out and then
00:45:33.49\00:45:35.62
you find later on and
this is where we're going now.
00:45:35.65\00:45:38.13
To verse 7 taking us
way back to the beginning
00:45:38.16\00:45:41.10
but this one thousand
two hundred and sixty year
00:45:41.13\00:45:43.64
period where the Church
thrived and continued to go
00:45:43.67\00:45:45.91
on, is because the Lord,
the Lord prepared to place
00:45:45.94\00:45:51.02
for her. Yeah,
in the wilderness,
00:45:51.05\00:45:53.63
and that's verse
14 what I was saying,
00:45:53.66\00:45:55.51
we're gonna come
back to that, okay, okay
00:45:55.54\00:45:56.97
great and so I
just wanted to say.
00:45:57.00\00:45:58.46
There is the connection
of 6 to 14 now, right.
00:45:58.49\00:46:01.06
It backs up in verse
7, so we're gonna see this
00:46:01.09\00:46:03.15
great controversy
begin in verse 7 with a war.
00:46:03.18\00:46:07.60
And where does this
war begin it could have
00:46:09.33\00:46:11.41
started in heaven could
it. Wars are part of earth,
00:46:11.44\00:46:14.89
that's right you know
that's where bad thing
00:46:14.92\00:46:17.27
happen you know. You
know a good way of seeing
00:46:17.30\00:46:19.25
it before you read 7
John. Is wars happen where the
00:46:19.28\00:46:22.55
warrior is, people that
are contentious you know
00:46:22.58\00:46:26.54
they can go into a
perfectly peaceful environment
00:46:26.57\00:46:28.73
and you know somebody
said you know if you were
00:46:28.76\00:46:30.47
not here everything
would have been just fine.
00:46:30.50\00:46:32.25
And I think that's
the situation here,
00:46:32.28\00:46:33.78
which John could
you do me this favor.
00:46:33.81\00:46:35.83
Let's see the warrior
in his true element before
00:46:35.86\00:46:39.64
we see what he did, go
to Isaiah 14, okay I think
00:46:39.67\00:46:42.84
it's important to go there
because we have to see his,
00:46:42.87\00:46:44.73
in order for there to
be a war, we got to see
00:46:44.76\00:46:47.09
what they're fighting
over, what are you fighting
00:46:47.12\00:46:48.49
over. You know
sometimes the police show up
00:46:48.52\00:46:49.86
and says can somebody
tell me how this argument
00:46:49.89\00:46:51.84
started and you know
people that are there were
00:46:51.87\00:46:53.92
I don't know I mean
I just saw, I just saw
00:46:53.95\00:46:55.46
glasses flying , I
just heard plates breaking,
00:46:55.49\00:46:58.08
I don't know what
happen and then the two people
00:46:58.11\00:47:00.52
step forward and say.
When I was sitting down,
00:47:00.55\00:47:02.70
this is what he said
and this is my response.
00:47:02.73\00:47:05.25
So, that's what Isaiah
14 I think around verse 12.
00:47:05.28\00:47:07.76
Am not mistaken
let's go ahead and put the
00:47:07.79\00:47:09.94
clearance, yes
and just see you know
00:47:09.97\00:47:11.02
why we're reading Isaiah
14 beginning with verse 12
00:47:11.05\00:47:15.15
because this dragon
is introduced as Satan in
00:47:15.18\00:47:17.55
verse 9, so okay
let's go back and find out
00:47:17.58\00:47:20.04
how Satan began his
whole issue with God.
00:47:20.07\00:47:24.65
His
controversy, his controversy,
00:47:24.68\00:47:26.62
Isaiah 14 verse 12: "How
you are fallen from heaven,
00:47:26.65\00:47:30.93
O Lucifer, son of
the morning! Okay,
00:47:30.96\00:47:33.90
How you are cut
down to the ground,
00:47:33.93\00:47:36.29
You who weakened the
nations! For you have said
00:47:36.32\00:47:39.51
in your heart, I
will ascend into heaven,
00:47:39.54\00:47:42.46
I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God;
00:47:42.49\00:47:46.01
I will also sit on the
mount of the congregation
00:47:46.04\00:47:49.24
on the farther sides of
the north, I will ascend above
00:47:49.27\00:47:53.29
the heights of
the clouds, I will be
00:47:53.32\00:47:55.41
like the Most High.
Verse 15 and 16 and then here
00:47:55.44\00:48:00.01
is the response. Yet
you shall be brought down to
00:48:00.04\00:48:03.60
Sheol, to the
lowest depths of the pit.
00:48:03.63\00:48:06.31
Or quite opposite
of what he wanted,
00:48:08.04\00:48:10.34
but clearly here what
is, what is Satan's goal.
00:48:10.37\00:48:12.73
His goal is to be
like God, like God.
00:48:12.76\00:48:16.39
Yeah, we've talked about
this in our question period
00:48:16.42\00:48:20.17
John and this is so
much here me you've got to
00:48:20.20\00:48:22.58
really stop some
times and say okay.
00:48:22.61\00:48:24.13
Let's take a breathe
because we're giving you a lot,
00:48:24.16\00:48:26.93
we want you to
understand the great controversy
00:48:26.96\00:48:29.32
rather than just us
communicating it to you
00:48:29.35\00:48:31.15
with our own pre-understanding
00:48:31.18\00:48:33.34
because it seems
sensible to us. So, what we want
00:48:33.37\00:48:36.04
you to see here is
Satan made a claim,
00:48:36.07\00:48:38.50
Satan made a claim
and says you know what.
00:48:38.53\00:48:40.86
I'm going to replace
your God and I'm sure
00:48:40.89\00:48:45.88
I'm going to do this
but the Lord says: no you
00:48:45.91\00:48:48.31
will not, I'm gonna
cast you down to the earth.
00:48:48.34\00:48:52.82
So, you clearly see when
he was cast to the earth,
00:48:52.85\00:48:55.96
Revelation is gonna
give us a portion now so go
00:48:55.99\00:48:58.49
to Revelation 12 verse 7
and then we're gonna shoot
00:48:58.52\00:49:00.90
all the way back to
the Genesis 3 and see what
00:49:00.93\00:49:02.46
happen when he was cast
to earth. It's beautiful,
00:49:02.49\00:49:04.98
how it stitches the
Bible together from beginning
00:49:05.01\00:49:07.82
to end but now
Revelation 12 verse 7:
00:49:07.85\00:49:10.06
And war broke out in
heaven: Michael and his
00:49:10.09\00:49:14.72
angels fought with
the dragon; and the dragon
00:49:14.75\00:49:17.36
and his angels fought.
But they did not prevail,
00:49:17.39\00:49:20.72
nor was a place found for
them in heaven any longer.
00:49:20.75\00:49:24.20
Okay, don't go to verse
9 yet, because we're gonna
00:49:24.23\00:49:25.89
see his accelerated,
we're gonna see his accelerated
00:49:25.92\00:49:28.77
approach to the
great controversy.
00:49:28.80\00:49:30.72
He was kicked out, the
question is we know that
00:49:30.75\00:49:34.66
he was kicked out; he
was cast down to the earth.
00:49:34.69\00:49:37.13
And his angels
were cast down with him.
00:49:37.16\00:49:39.26
But when he was
kicked out the question is
00:49:39.29\00:49:42.62
if he has a problem
and this is what I'm posing
00:49:42.65\00:49:45.24
before we go down to
Genesis. This deceiver is
00:49:45.27\00:49:49.16
the one that is
kicked out, matter of fact,
00:49:49.19\00:49:51.85
First Timothy 7 verse 14
I believe is where that is,
00:49:51.88\00:49:57.16
check that out for me
John and hold that passage
00:49:57.19\00:50:00.32
because what I'm gonna
do now is after we just
00:50:00.35\00:50:02.96
read this seeing that
there was a war in Heaven Satan
00:50:02.99\00:50:05.61
and his angels
fought against the dragon
00:50:05.64\00:50:07.41
and the dragon
fought and his angels.
00:50:07.44\00:50:09.48
When you go back to
verse 4, Revelation 12
00:50:09.51\00:50:11.72
you see one third of
the angels joined him in
00:50:11.75\00:50:14.56
his rebellion, which
means two third of the angels
00:50:14.59\00:50:17.73
remained. Is that
the one about deceived,
00:50:17.76\00:50:20.69
which chapter
you said? 2 verse 14.
00:50:20.72\00:50:24.15
Adam was not
deceived, okay, good, don't read
00:50:27.07\00:50:28.70
it yet. Okay, great,
you got it. Now you'll see
00:50:28.73\00:50:30.97
clearly when he was cast
out, it would be one thing
00:50:31.00\00:50:34.26
to be cast down to the
earth but the question is
00:50:34.29\00:50:36.12
How did we get
into his predicament?
00:50:36.15\00:50:38.04
You see the war that
started in the beginning
00:50:38.07\00:50:41.18
he was cast out unto the earth,
00:50:41.21\00:50:43.18
Revelation 12 verse 4
and his angels were cast
00:50:43.21\00:50:45.39
out with him. But what
are they doing when they
00:50:45.42\00:50:47.22
got kicked out?
Well, makes the statement
00:50:47.25\00:50:48.91
in here first, Michael's
introduced and it's not
00:50:48.94\00:50:51.10
another player to
the great controversy,
00:50:51.13\00:50:53.18
okay good one to go,
okay because Michael here
00:50:53.21\00:50:56.38
who was fighting
against the dragon,
00:50:56.41\00:50:58.02
Michael has angels as
well. The dragon has his
00:50:58.05\00:51:03.20
angels on his side, Michael
has his angels on his side
00:51:03.23\00:51:06.16
and we find that a
third were cast out with Satan
00:51:06.19\00:51:09.91
so it's two thirds
verses one third and Michael is
00:51:09.94\00:51:14.09
in charge he's the
arch angel over the one,
00:51:14.12\00:51:17.32
the head, over all of
his angels the two third
00:51:17.35\00:51:20.17
that were good, that
remained. Now, Michael
00:51:20.20\00:51:22.63
some reference as
some other super angel
00:51:22.66\00:51:25.38
you know head angel
that had replaced Satan
00:51:25.41\00:51:27.63
or something at the
time. But Michael we believe
00:51:27.66\00:51:30.12
clearly is a reference
to Jesus Christ, right,
00:51:30.15\00:51:32.22
Michael means one who
is like God. That's right,
00:51:32.25\00:51:35.33
okay so this is a
reference to Jesus Christ,
00:51:35.36\00:51:39.37
not a reference to
another angel. Not a reference
00:51:39.40\00:51:42.18
and if you want
anymore detail on that send
00:51:42.21\00:51:44.58
us an email. And
ask us about it because
00:51:44.61\00:51:46.55
we can answer that question
in a lot more detail that
00:51:46.58\00:51:48.25
we just have. But
there is reason why clearly
00:51:48.28\00:51:51.84
Michael is Jesus
Christ not an angel, okay but
00:51:51.87\00:51:56.42
anyway so here we
have two groups of angels
00:51:56.45\00:51:59.13
fighting the good
and the bad. And then now
00:51:59.16\00:52:02.50
what we're
doing, we're going to.
00:52:02.53\00:52:04.12
Now, and I think that
it's good you talked about
00:52:04.15\00:52:07.85
Revelation 12:7
there, go to Revelation 12:9
00:52:07.88\00:52:14.10
and I stopped you
before you got to that but
00:52:14.13\00:52:15.64
I think it's imperative
to read it here because
00:52:15.67\00:52:17.30
we need to see something. Okay:
00:52:17.33\00:52:18.76
"So the great
dragon was cast out,
00:52:18.79\00:52:22.75
that serpent of old
called the Devil and Satan,
00:52:22.78\00:52:25.32
who deceives the
whole world; he was cast to
00:52:25.35\00:52:28.45
the earth and his
angels were cast out with him."
00:52:28.48\00:52:30.61
Okay great now we have
the devil lost the battle.
00:52:30.64\00:52:34.33
He was cast out to
earth and who was he called,
00:52:34.36\00:52:37.61
he's called the great
dragon, serpent of old.
00:52:37.64\00:52:41.96
Right, serpent of old,
you know about him already.
00:52:41.99\00:52:46.52
You know, who
is, John thousands of
00:52:46.55\00:52:51.87
years after the serpent
of old had done his work.
00:52:51.90\00:52:55.53
John says, you
remember that serpent of old,
00:52:55.56\00:52:58.02
lets see that serpent of
old. Way back to Genesis 3,
00:52:58.05\00:53:01.41
because and then
you have that second,
00:53:01.44\00:53:03.36
you have that First
Timothy text right, yeah, right.
00:53:03.39\00:53:05.50
This serpent of old
was busy long before John
00:53:05.53\00:53:09.07
talked about serpent of
old. He says let me give
00:53:09.10\00:53:11.05
you a panoramic view
here, Genesis 3 and we may
00:53:11.08\00:53:14.24
or may not be able
through this. But I'm gonna try
00:53:14.27\00:53:15.91
my best, Genesis 3
verse 1: Now the serpent,
00:53:15.94\00:53:19.99
Genesis 3 verse 1: Now
the serpent was more cunning
00:53:20.02\00:53:22.81
than any beast of the
field which the Lord God
00:53:22.84\00:53:24.89
had made. And he
said to the woman,
00:53:24.92\00:53:28.28
"Has God indeed said,
you shall not eat of every
00:53:28.31\00:53:30.88
tree of the garden?"
But first of all you may not
00:53:30.91\00:53:33.38
get this but serpents
don't talk. Okay, that's
00:53:33.41\00:53:37.32
the first thing that
comes out, animals don't talk.
00:53:37.35\00:53:40.36
And I'm sure she thought
that, right and it didn't
00:53:40.39\00:53:43.05
escape her, that
was part of the lure.
00:53:43.08\00:53:45.91
If you went to the zoo
and all of a sudden the
00:53:45.94\00:53:48.92
monkey said come
over here, exactly.
00:53:48.95\00:53:51.60
You say, hey guys
listen a talking monkey,
00:53:51.63\00:53:53.85
you know and the
giraffe says could you pass
00:53:53.88\00:53:56.27
me a straw. You know,
there's a talking giraffe,
00:53:56.30\00:53:59.05
you get thrown off
right away you say this is
00:53:59.08\00:54:01.21
unusual so the part of the
lure was this is the first,
00:54:01.24\00:54:04.96
this is the first
reference in history to Satan
00:54:04.99\00:54:08.87
channeling through
another entity and the reason
00:54:08.90\00:54:13.72
why we'll see later on
the reason why the serpent
00:54:13.75\00:54:15.38
was punished is
because it was not something
00:54:15.41\00:54:17.45
that was done against
his will. The woman now
00:54:17.48\00:54:20.38
notice the serpent
and the women here,
00:54:20.41\00:54:22.03
the same picture in
Revelation 12 you have
00:54:22.06\00:54:24.17
the serpent and the
women. The serpent that is Satan
00:54:24.20\00:54:26.99
said to the woman, the
women said to the serpent
00:54:27.02\00:54:29.44
we verse 2, "We may
eat the fruit of the trees
00:54:29.47\00:54:31.89
of the garden; but the
fruit of the tree which is
00:54:31.92\00:54:34.20
in the midst of the
garden, God has said,
00:54:34.23\00:54:36.25
'You shall not eat it,
nor shall you touch it,
00:54:36.28\00:54:38.33
lest you die. That's the
key: Then the serpent said
00:54:38.36\00:54:42.10
to the women, "You
will not surely die."
00:54:42.13\00:54:46.22
You will not surely
die and John when you begin
00:54:47.53\00:54:51.32
to put this whole thing
and I'm gonna give you the
00:54:51.35\00:54:53.09
long broad picture of
the Babylonian system.
00:54:53.12\00:54:55.65
When you think of this
entire system of deception,
00:54:55.68\00:54:57.83
one of the greatest
lies that is still held on to
00:54:57.86\00:55:00.54
this day. Is that
when people die, they don't
00:55:00.57\00:55:04.37
really die. One of the
instruments of this system
00:55:04.40\00:55:08.51
of deception and I
want you read and I'm gonna
00:55:08.54\00:55:11.49
read this very quickly
here. When the serpent said
00:55:11.52\00:55:14.50
that to the woman, he
said to her something God
00:55:14.53\00:55:16.89
knows that day that you
eat of the tree of knowledge
00:55:16.92\00:55:19.24
of good and evil.
Your eyes will be opened
00:55:19.27\00:55:21.11
and you'll be like
God, second lie you could be
00:55:21.14\00:55:23.73
like God. First one,
you won't die, second one
00:55:23.76\00:55:26.13
you'll be like God and
look at verse 6 Genesis 3:
00:55:26.16\00:55:29.68
So when the woman saw
that the tree was good
00:55:29.71\00:55:31.84
for food and it was
pleasant to the eyes,
00:55:31.87\00:55:33.47
and a tree
desirable to make one wise,
00:55:33.50\00:55:35.31
she took of its fruit
and she ate. She also gave to
00:55:35.34\00:55:38.92
her husband with her, and
he ate. The eyes of both of
00:55:38.95\00:55:42.11
them were opened, and
they knew that they were naked;
00:55:42.14\00:55:45.56
and they sewed fig
leaves together and
00:55:45.59\00:55:47.10
made themselves coverings.
Notice the difference the
00:55:47.13\00:55:49.63
woman in Revelation was
clothed, she was clothed
00:55:49.66\00:55:52.56
until she believes the
Satan, until she believes
00:55:52.59\00:55:55.35
Satan and she lost
her clothing which is the
00:55:55.38\00:55:57.76
righteousness of God.
Right, right and that's where
00:55:57.79\00:55:59.99
she spiritually died,
that's where she spiritually
00:56:00.02\00:56:02.98
died and she didn't die
immediately but spiritual
00:56:03.01\00:56:05.93
death precedes
physical death, that's right.
00:56:05.96\00:56:08.86
And so I think instead
of and I want you to read
00:56:08.89\00:56:12.15
First Timothy just
to wind up this segment
00:56:12.18\00:56:14.37
because keep this in
mind, she wasn't the reason
00:56:14.40\00:56:16.73
why sin entered the
world. Read it in verse,
00:56:16.76\00:56:19.36
it says: "And
Adam was not deceived,
00:56:19.39\00:56:21.56
but the woman
being deceived, fell into
00:56:21.59\00:56:23.42
transgression." Nevertheless
she will be saved in
00:56:23.45\00:56:27.19
childbearing if they
continue in faith, love,
00:56:27.22\00:56:29.45
and holiness with
self-control. Okay, so
00:56:29.48\00:56:31.82
you clearly see there
so what we're going to
00:56:31.85\00:56:34.26
see next John and
this is like our start
00:56:34.29\00:56:37.27
there is still some
more we have to go back here
00:56:37.30\00:56:38.95
and recover. But
kind of get us to where
00:56:38.98\00:56:41.71
we're going to be
heading in the next passage,
00:56:41.74\00:56:43.01
before we wind up our program.
00:56:43.04\00:56:44.37
Well, we're at the
point already right now
00:56:44.40\00:56:46.46
where Satan was
cast out of Heaven right.
00:56:46.49\00:56:50.04
He's sent to the
earth, because that's what
00:56:50.07\00:56:51.89
he was cast to and
Adam and Eve fall into sin,
00:56:51.92\00:56:56.72
so the question is
here in this controversy
00:56:56.75\00:56:59.76
what, where does
Satan go from here? Okay,
00:56:59.79\00:57:03.90
okay. Where he's gonna
go, what is he going to do?
00:57:03.93\00:57:07.32
Now, that he thinks
he has the earth as his.
00:57:07.35\00:57:10.86
Okay, and this is where
the battle occurs between
00:57:10.89\00:57:14.33
Christ and Satan,
Christ is trying to get that,
00:57:14.36\00:57:17.01
get it back. And Satan
who claims that it's his,
00:57:17.04\00:57:20.62
we're gonna go
there and so friends,
00:57:20.65\00:57:22.30
don't forget we
have a lot more to cover
00:57:22.33\00:57:24.54
but we thank you
for tuning into this
00:57:24.57\00:57:25.97
House Calls program.
The great controversy
00:57:26.00\00:57:27.98
continues but
here's the nutshell,
00:57:28.01\00:57:29.54
Christ is the victor, choose him
00:57:29.57\00:57:31.73
today, live your life in Christ.
00:57:31.76\00:57:34.30