Three Angels
Broadcasting Network
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is pleased to bring
you something better,
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a faith inspiring
picture of a loving God
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from the Book of Hebrews.
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Welcome to 3ABN's
Virtual Homecoming Camp Meeting.
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Happy Sabbath.
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So very excited
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and we have this
privilege and opportunity
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to bring you answers
to your Bible questions.
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We just finished our
3ABN Sabbath School Panel
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and we were
actually in another studio
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just on the other
side of this stage.
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But we wanted to come out here
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for the live Q and
A with you at home.
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Thank you for joining us.
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You might notice that
we had Pastor John Lomacang
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as part of our
Sabbath School Panel.
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And now we have
Pastor James Rafferty.
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Pastor Lomacang
was not raptured,
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he just stepped
away for something else
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and we asked
Pastor James to step in
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and to answer
your Bible questions.
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They are already coming in.
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I have pages of them
that you have been sending,
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as we've been doing the
3ABNs Sabbath School Panel
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the past hour.
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So we have one hour,
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we are going to be
taking your questions,
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want to encourage you.
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We're going to
start with the ones
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that you've already sent in.
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But if you would like
to send in your questions,
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you can do that right now.
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You can text your
questions to 618-228-3975.
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That number
again is 618-228-3975.
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We're going to get to as many
of these questions as we can.
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And on the panel with
me is Pastor Ryan Day,
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Pastor James
Rafferty, Miss Shelley Quinn,
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and Pastor John Dinzey.
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And just a privilege
to open up the Word of God
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and to study
with each one of you.
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We're going to try to
keep the answers fairly short,
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so that we can get to as
many questions as we can.
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Before we go to this
special Q and A section,
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we want to go to
the Lord in prayer.
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I know we already
prayed for the other program,
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but it's important
that we continue in prayer
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as we open up the Word of God.
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Pastor Johnny,
would you pray for us?
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Sure.
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Let us pray.
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Our loving Heavenly Father,
we want to thank You, Lord,
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for Your
goodness and Your mercy.
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Thank You, Lord, for 3ABN
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that You have called
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to bring a mission to the world,
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the three angels' messages.
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We pray that You
will continue to bless us
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with the Holy Spirit.
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As we seek Your grace
to answer the questions
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that have come in.
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We pray for a blessing upon all
and we ask it in Jesus' name.
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Amen. Amen.
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This question is
coming to Pastor James first,
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and it's one of
the first questions
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that you have sent in.
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Thank you for sending them in.
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It says, "Is it true
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that at some point
during the judgment,
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Jesus, our Savior
will no longer be standing
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side by side with
us before Father God.
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Thus we will at
some point at the end,
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be left alone to face God
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before our own
glorification is complete?"
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This person
sounds a little stressed.
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Yeah, it can be a
distressing question
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when you think about the fact
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that we as fallen human beings
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rely heavily upon the
mediation of Jesus Christ.
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But there comes
a point in history
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when God's people
are going to be sealed
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with the Holy Spirit.
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In other words, we're going
to be settled in the truth,
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so that we can't be moved.
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And this point
is described for us
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in Revelation Chapter 22.
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Let's just take a
look there at Revelation 22
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and we'll look
at verses 11 and 12.
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Now, these are just a summary.
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These verses just summarize
what happens to God's people.
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There are a number of
other verses in Ephesians
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that talk about being
sealed with the Holy Spirit.
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In Revelation 7, we're sealed.
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In Revelation 14,
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we're sealed
with the Father's name
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on our foreheads.
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That simply means
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that we cannot be
changed or altered.
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When you seal an envelope,
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that means that the
contents cannot be removed
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until the seal is broken.
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And we know when we're
sealed with a seal of God,
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that seal will not be broken.
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And this is how
Jesus describes it here
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in Revelation 22,
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beginning here with verse 11.
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Looking out on the
world just before He returns,
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looking at those who are
saved and those who are lost,
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He says, "He that is
unjust, let him be unjust still,
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he which is filthy,
let him be filthy still,
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he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still,
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he that is holy,
let him be holy still.
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And behold, I come quickly,
and My reward is with me
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to give every man
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according as his work shall be."
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So what we have here is
a picture of God's people,
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those that are sealed,
those that are righteous,
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those that are holy
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will not be moved
from that position.
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So before Jesus comes,
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we're sealed
with the Holy Spirit.
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And that Holy
Spirit is what keeps us.
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Jesus has to return.
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So he steps out of
mediation to come and get us,
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but He sends His
Spirit in fullness of measure
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to seal us so we can't be moved.
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So you have
nothing to worry about.
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It's not like God is leaving us.
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God is actually
filling us and settling us
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in preparation for the
Second Coming of Jesus.
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Amen. What an
incredible blessing.
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I'm so grateful for that.
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That gives us
hope in the judgment.
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Shelley, we're coming to you.
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"How do I answer my friends
when they quote the Bible,
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to be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lord
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does not mean we
go to heaven at death.
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Thank you."
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Yes, that's one that
people usually go to.
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In 2 Corinthians
5:7, let's look at this
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because it's easy to see
when you read it correctly.
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He says, "We all know
that our earthly house,
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this tent, if this
tent is destroyed,"
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so we've got a tent, a body,
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"we have a building from God,
a house not made with hands,
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eternal in the heavens.
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For in this we groan earnestly
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desire to be
clothed with our habitation,
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which is from heaven."
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So we have a tent, we
have a further habitation,
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which will be our glorious body.
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And then he says, "If
indeed having be clothed,
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we shall not be found naked."
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Now, naked is the condition
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that most people
don't think about.
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We are in this earthly tent.
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When we die, and
we're in the grave,
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we're naked,
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then we are
further clothed from above.
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"For while we're in this
tent, we groan, being burdened
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because we want to be
clothed, further clothed,
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that mortality may be
swallowed up by life."
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1 Corinthians 15:52-57 explains
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that we put on mortality
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at the Second Coming of Christ.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen.
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Thank you so much,
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we will be
immortal at that point.
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Praise the Lord.
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Ryan, Pastor
Ryan, coming to you.
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"Explain Daniel
12:7, 11, and 12,
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the 1260, the
1290, and the 1335 days."
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Now we don't have a lot of time,
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and we could spend a
great deal of time on this.
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"When did they start?
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And when do they end?
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And why are
these dates important?"
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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But there's a whole
lot that can be said about
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these
particular time prophecies,
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because they all
come within the context
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of the longest time
prophecy in the Bible,
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which is the 2300
years of Daniel Chapter 9.
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But, of course,
referring to the specific issue
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that's dealing in Daniel 12:7,
that time frame of the time,
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times and a half a time,
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of course, is talking
about the 1260 year time frame.
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We know that
this is talking about
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that persecution
time of the little horn,
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the Antichrist
power Bible prophecy
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is persecuting God's people,
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which is why in
verse 6, it says,
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"One said to the
man clothed in linen,
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who was above the
waters of the rivers,
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'How long will the fulfillment
of these wonders be?'"
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They're asking, how
long is this going to go on?
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Similar to the question
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that's being
asked there in Daniel 9,
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we're in
reference to the 2300 years.
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How long is this going to go on?
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They're wanting to know,
how long is this gonna go on?
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Excuse me, Daniel
8, I said, Daniel 9.
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Yes, Daniel 8 is
that particular reference,
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but right here
dealing with the 1260 years,
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the time times
and a half of time,
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of course, we know
that begins in 538 AD
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dealing with when the
papacy came in full supremacy,
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and they ruled for 1260 years.
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They were the
superpower of the time.
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And they, of course,
persecuted God's saints,
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they persecuted the holy people,
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which is a reference we
find there in Daniel 12:7.
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Now dealing with 1290,
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and 1335 that is within
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still the 2300
year time prophecy.
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But again, 1260 from 538
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until 1798 that's where
you get that 1260 years.
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1798 is when that's,
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that papal
supremacy came to an end.
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And that time prophecy
is mentioned many times
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in the Book of Daniel
as well as Revelation.
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The 1290 years
start a few years before.
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This is when the king
of the Franks, Clovis,
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which, of course,
became known as the French.
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Clovis
basically, gave authority,
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gave his
allegiance and his support
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to the papal system,
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and which basically,
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during and around
that same time of 508 AD,
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the papal
priesthood became supreme.
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And it was with
the help of the Franks,
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that the papal system
began to really flourish.
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And so it was from 508 AD
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when that priesthood was set up.
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Again, the reference
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of the
abomination of desolation,
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there are many, many
factors that play in there.
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It's a
fulfillment on multiple levels
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throughout Scripture
and throughout history.
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But in this case, from 508
AD, if you count 1290 days,
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it brings you to
the time of 1844,
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excuse me, 1798,
I've got that wrong, 1798.
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And so that's your 1290 days.
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But if you read verse 12,
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what does it say
there in verse 12?
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It says, "Blessed is
he who waits and comes
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to the 1335 days."
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The 1335 days begins at
the same time as the 1290,
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508 AD. But if you
extend past 1798 AD,
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that 1290 year period,
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you're going to come 1335 years,
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which brings you to
the time of again 1844.
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Why?
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Why blessed is he who waits
and comes to that time period?
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Because, again, what
was happening in 1844?
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God was establishing His
last day remnant movement.
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Christ, of course, had
went from the Holy Place
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into the Most Holy Place
in the heavenly sanctuary
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and the work of
judgment had begun.
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We had entered
into the final work
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of this earth's history,
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from Christ perspective,
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as well as the
church's perspective,
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it's a blessed time,
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and we should be
counted a blessing
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that we can be a
part of that work
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in these last days.
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There's a whole lot
more that can be said
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on those time periods,
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but we're gonna
leave it at that.
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Write in the question,
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we'll try to answer
it on our Bible Q and A.
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Absolutely.
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I was thinking we need to
do a whole program on that.
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A whole hour you can take
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just to really unpack
those time prophecies,
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understand the day
for year principle,
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and just have a good
understanding of that.
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Thank you, Pastor.
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Pastor Dinzey,
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"Will we see our
loved ones in heaven?
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And where in the
Bible does it say that?"
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This comes from
Beth in Washington.
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Well, there is a scripture
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that can point you
to that may be of help.
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And that's in Luke 13:28,
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I'm going to
read the verse before,
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to see if that will
give us a little context.
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Verse 27, "But He
will say, 'I tell you,
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I do not know you,
where you are from.
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Depart from Me, all
you workers of iniquity.'
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There will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth,
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when you see, notice,
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Abraham and Isaac and Jacob
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and all the prophets
in the kingdom of God,
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and yourselves thrust out.
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They will come from
the east and the west,
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and from the
north and the south,
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and sit down in
the kingdom of God."
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So I believe here
it is giving us an idea
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and understanding
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that you'll be able to see
Abraham and recognize Abraham.
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So with this in mind,
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if your loved ones
are walking with the Lord,
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and as the Bible says,
they endure unto the end,
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they love the Lord
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and they die
believing in the Lord,
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you can expect to
see them in heaven,
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and rejoice with them.
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And so, I encourage
you to follow the Lord
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with all of your heart.
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And hopefully, the
way they have lived
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will be an inspiration to you
to continue following the Lord.
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Amen. Thank you so much.
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Shelley, we're
coming back to you.
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"My 14-year-old
nephew has committed suicide.
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Please give us
comfort for his salvation."
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This comes from
Charlene in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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Well, Charlene,
first, I want to say
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how very sorry I am for you,
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my heart bleeds for anyone
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who goes through that experience
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of losing a loved
one to death by suicide.
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My mother attempted
suicide a number of times,
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and I understand
the pain behind that.
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But I want to
give you an example.
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When I lived in San Francisco,
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many people
committed suicide by jumping
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from the Golden Gate Bridge.
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Interestingly,
I knew a policeman
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who said if we can get them,
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usually within 24
hours of saving them,
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if we get them
before they go off,
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they can change their mind.
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So they had a
pastor who was on the edge
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and they talked him off
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and then he
continued to live for the Lord.
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Here's what I will say.
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God is more
interested in saving people
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than we could ever imagine.
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His heart is that he
wants all to be saved.
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So if someone like this pastor,
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God is looking at
the record of the life
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and where they were.
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Suicide is when
somebody loses hope
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and it can be a momentary thing.
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Like you, I don't know
what happened with your nephew.
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He could have been bullied,
it could have been mounting up.
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But the Lord
understands our hearts,
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He looks on the hearts.
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If your nephew
believed in the Lord,
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even if he wasn't baptized,
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we see that the
thief on the cross
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didn't have a
chance to be baptized.
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My personal belief is that
God is looking at the heart
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and just because
someone lost it for a moment.
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I mean, we know
that it is self-murder,
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but I don't believe
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that God's going to
keep him out of the kingdom
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if he was walking with Him.
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Amen. Thank you so much.
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Know that we'll
be praying for you
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and your family
at this time of loss,
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this time of pain,
that you are not alone.
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The Lord Jesus is with
you and your 3ABN family
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stands with you
in prayer as well.
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Want to remind you
this is a live question.
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You can text in
your Bible questions
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for our panel right here.
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That number to
text in your questions
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is 618-228-3975.
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That number once again
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is 618-228-3975.
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Pastor James,
we're coming back to you
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and we're going to kind of
combine a couple of questions.
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So we'll give you a
little more time with this.
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This is Revelation 8.
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Says, "In Revelation 8:2,
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seven angels are
given seven trumpets.
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When the trumpets are sounded,
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the plagues are
poured out for each one.
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Then again in Revelation
16:1, there are seven angels,
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which are given the command
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from a loud voice
within the temple,
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go and pour out the bowls
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of the wrath of
God on the earth.
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The question is,
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while they are
different plagues,
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one set of angels
are given trumpets
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and the second
set of seven angels
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are commanded to
pour out the bowls.
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Are these the same angels?"
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And then a
follow-up question has to do
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with the seven
plagues so we're gonna just,
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you can combine however
you want with your answer.
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This one says, "Please explain
the seven plagues in Revelation
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where both the saved
and unsaved feel the effects
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of the first three plagues.
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My understanding is the saved
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will not be affected
by the last four plagues.
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If I am correct,
why would God punish
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the saved with the
first three plagues?"
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So they're both
dealing with the plague.
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Okay, let's start in
Revelation Chapter 8,
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we definitely
have seven angels there
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and they are
commanded to sound trumpets.
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And we see judgments
coming upon the earth
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in response to these
trumpets being sounded.
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But these seven angels
are not the same angels
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that we find in
Revelation Chapter 15 and 16
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in the seven last plagues.
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And there are a
number of reasons why,
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number one is the time sequence.
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We know, and if you want to get
some more information on this
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because we don't have
time to cover it all right now,
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you can watch
Salvation in Symbols and Signs,
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where we cover this
in a lot more detail,
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so a little plug there
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for Salvation in
Symbols and Signs.
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That's good.
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But there's a
phrase that is used
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all through Revelation Chapter 8
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and that phrase
is the third part,
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the third part, the
third part, the third part,
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it suggests limited judgment.
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In other words,
this is not a judgment
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that is complete
and full in its measure.
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It's a judgment that
is limited in its impact.
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There is room for
mercy in the trumpets,
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but in Revelation 15 and 16,
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we are told that
the seven last plagues
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are poured out
in the full measure
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of God's wrath.
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That's why they're
called the seven last plagues.
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There is no more mercy,
their probation is closed.
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This is a full
measure of God's wrath
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being poured out upon the earth.
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Now, the second
question you asked
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is a really significant one.
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And I think the reason
why you asked that perhaps
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is because there are
plagues that are revealed to us
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in the Book of
Exodus Chapter 7 and 8,
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we see the plagues there
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that were poured out upon Egypt,
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and there were 10 of them
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and, but seven of them
fell upon the Egyptians,
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only the first three of the 10
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fell upon the
Egyptians and God's people.
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And it may be that you or
someone else has suggested,
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well, if the first
three fell upon everyone,
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maybe the first three
of the seven last plagues
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fall upon everyone,
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that's just not the case.
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In fact, I
think it's interesting
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that God is showing us
in Revelation 15 and 16,
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that they're seven and not 10.
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The seven then would line up
with the last seven in Egypt.
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And we know for a
fact that Psalm 91,
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those that dwell
in the secret place
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of the Most High will abide
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under the
shadow of the Almighty.
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No plague shall
come near our dwelling.
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In other words, God
is going to deliver us,
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Daniel 12:1, He's
going to deliver us
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from that time of trouble,
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everyone whose names are written
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in the Lamb's Book of Life
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are going to be delivered
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from the time of trouble,
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we're going to be protected
from those seven last plagues.
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I'm giving you a
couple of verses there.
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But I just want
to say emphatically,
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the seven last plagues do
not fall upon the righteous,
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upon those who trust in God,
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upon those who are
sealed with a seal of God.
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They only fall upon the lost.
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And the trumpet judgments
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in Revelation
Chapter 8 are limited.
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They're not full
measure of God's wrath.
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They're limited
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in who they affect
and what they affect.
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Amen. Absolutely.
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We're gonna come right
back to Pastor Rafferty
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because I just got this message.
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It says please
have Pastor Rafferty
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re-respond to this question
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because we had a
glitch in our broadcast.
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I did not know that,
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but the viewer did
not hear the answer.
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So this is
actually the first question
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we asked you.
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"Is it true that at some
point, during the judgment,
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Jesus, our Savior
will no longer be standing
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side by side with
us before Father God,
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thus, we will at
some point at the end
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be left alone to face God
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before our own
glorification is complete?"
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So we had a problem.
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We apologize for
that with our broadcast,
00:19:38.77\00:19:41.01
that that portion of
your answer was cut out.
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So if you don't
mind, just touch on that.
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Sure.
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We went to Revelation Chapter 22
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with that
question, verses 11 and 12.
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And the reason this
question is so significant
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is because we rely heavily
upon the mediation of Christ.
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He is the righteousness
that is represented,
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the merit is represented
before the Father for us
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as we come and
we confess our sins.
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And so if there's a time coming
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when we're not going
to have that mediation,
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what are we going to do?
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Well, the Bible teaches us
00:20:05.97\00:20:07.30
pretty clearly in
Ephesians Chapter 1,
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in Revelation Chapter 7,
in Revelation Chapter 14,
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that God's people
are at some point in time
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going to be sealed
with the Holy Spirit.
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So they cannot be moved,
like an envelope is sealed,
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you put the
contents in, you seal it up.
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We're going to be
sealed so we can't be moved.
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And we come to that place
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where we're sealed
with the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus is going to return.
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We read this in
Revelation Chapter 22.
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Let's look at verses 11
and 12 of Revelation 22.
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Jesus is making a
pronouncement here
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before His Second Coming.
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"He that is unjust,
let him be unjust still,
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he which is filthy,
let him be filthy still,
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he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still,
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and he that's holy,
let him be holy still.
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And behold," verse
12, "I come quickly
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and my reward is
with me to give every man
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according as his work shall be."
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So just before Jesus
comes, there's a sealing,
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a settling in so
that we can't be moved.
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Even though we don't
have mediation anymore,
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we are filled
with the Holy Spirit.
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We have the presence of
God in us and through us.
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So there's
nothing for us to fear
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when you're
settled into the truth,
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so you can't be moved.
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And that happens
just before Jesus returns.
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Amen. Thank you so much.
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We have 60 questions
that you have already sent in.
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They just gave me
several more pages.
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We will not get to all of these,
00:21:21.54\00:21:22.91
but I assure you on
an upcoming 3ABN Today
00:21:22.94\00:21:26.41
Bible Q and A,
00:21:26.45\00:21:28.05
we will answer your question.
00:21:28.08\00:21:29.48
Those programs air every Monday,
00:21:29.52\00:21:32.82
and you can check them out
on YouTube or at 3abnplus.tv
00:21:32.85\00:21:36.96
And you can watch
them on-demand anytime.
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So if we don't get to
your question this morning,
00:21:39.33\00:21:41.43
we will get to it in the future.
00:21:41.46\00:21:43.70
Now I'm going to
shake it up a little bit.
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And I'm going to
ask you all a question
00:21:45.27\00:21:46.60
that just came in,
00:21:46.63\00:21:47.97
and this is
thrown out for everyone,
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so whoever wants
to jump in and answer.
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"Is it a sin for a
Seventh-day Adventist
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to listen to other speakers
or pastors not of our faith?"
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And this comes from Mary.
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I would say absolutely not.
00:22:03.62\00:22:05.32
It's not a sin to do that.
00:22:05.35\00:22:07.96
God tells us
00:22:07.99\00:22:09.32
and there's
several places in His Word,
00:22:09.36\00:22:10.89
He tells us that
He has other people
00:22:10.93\00:22:13.56
that are not of His fold.
00:22:13.60\00:22:14.93
He tells us His
people are in Babylon.
00:22:14.96\00:22:16.93
And He also tells us that
we should prove all things
00:22:16.97\00:22:20.77
and hold to that which is fast.
00:22:20.80\00:22:22.50
So it's like eating watermelon,
00:22:22.54\00:22:23.87
you know, you eat the
fruit, you spit out the seeds.
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The problem, of
course, sometimes occurs
00:22:26.74\00:22:29.44
when we listen to other people,
00:22:29.48\00:22:31.75
and we're just ready to
receive whatever they say.
00:22:31.78\00:22:34.88
No, we've got to
be faithful Bereans,
00:22:34.92\00:22:36.85
we've got to go
to the Word of God.
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You know, the Bereans listened
to what Paul had to say.
00:22:38.29\00:22:40.52
And he was
inspired of the Holy Spirit.
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They listened,
but they went back
00:22:42.12\00:22:43.46
to the Word of God
to see if it was so.
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And so if we get to the place
00:22:45.03\00:22:46.76
where we're not
students of the Bible,
00:22:46.80\00:22:48.13
we're not studying the
Word of God for ourselves.
00:22:48.16\00:22:49.76
And we're just listening
to what preachers tell us,
00:22:49.80\00:22:51.53
then we're in a
dangerous position.
00:22:51.57\00:22:53.00
But as long as we're
filled with the Spirit,
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anointed with the
spirit for Psalm 120:27,
00:22:54.44\00:22:57.81
and checking the Word of God
00:22:57.84\00:22:59.57
and making sure
we're proving all things.
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There may be a blessing.
00:23:03.35\00:23:04.68
I've been blessed by many people
00:23:04.71\00:23:06.38
that have preached
they're not of my faith
00:23:06.41\00:23:09.28
and edified by
what they have to say.
00:23:09.32\00:23:11.15
And I've
learned a lot from them.
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Amen. Any other thoughts?
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Ditto, ditto.
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Yes, ditto, ditto, ditto.
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I would like to
add, of course, that
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before you listen to anything,
00:23:21.16\00:23:22.96
whether they be
Adventist or not,
00:23:23.00\00:23:25.80
pray to the Lord and
ask for the Holy Spirit
00:23:25.83\00:23:28.67
because the Holy Spirit
will guide you unto all truth
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and you'll be able to discern
00:23:30.74\00:23:32.07
what is truth and what is error.
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Amen. That's good.
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Okay, Pastor Johnny,
we're coming back to you.
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"In the countdown we are in,
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do you consider
things going on now
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as part of the
elements of getting ready
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for Jesus' second coming?"
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Yes, indeed.
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Because, you know,
these things are given unto us
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so that we can see.
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You know you look
at Matthew Chapter 24.
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You look at the Book of
Daniel, Book of Revelation.
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And you see that
the Bible prophesies,
00:24:00.17\00:24:02.44
talks to us about things
that are going to come to pass.
00:24:02.47\00:24:05.64
These are to help us
00:24:05.67\00:24:07.98
to be ready for
the Lord's coming.
00:24:08.01\00:24:10.35
So when you see the
things taking place,
00:24:10.38\00:24:13.01
it let you know, you
better get your act together,
00:24:13.05\00:24:15.72
because the Lord is coming soon.
00:24:15.75\00:24:17.55
And yes, absolutely.
00:24:17.59\00:24:20.16
These are things
that are telling us,
00:24:20.19\00:24:22.22
be ye also ready
for in such a time
00:24:22.26\00:24:25.06
as you think not the Lord,
00:24:25.09\00:24:27.43
the Son of Man is coming.
00:24:27.46\00:24:29.23
So yes, watch and be ready.
00:24:29.26\00:24:32.47
We should be ready today.
00:24:32.50\00:24:34.87
Because we don't even know,
00:24:34.90\00:24:36.24
you don't know if
you're not promised tomorrow.
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You should be ready at all times
00:24:37.64\00:24:39.11
for the Second
Coming of our Lord
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and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Amen. Great answer.
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Pastor Ryan,
00:24:43.55\00:24:44.88
"If there will be
no sickness in heaven,
00:24:44.91\00:24:46.51
why would the tree
of life need leaves
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for the healing of the nations
00:24:49.05\00:24:51.09
as they did in Revelation 22:2?"
00:24:51.12\00:24:53.86
All right.
00:24:53.89\00:24:55.22
Well, I would say the
answer to that question
00:24:55.26\00:24:56.93
is the same as the answer
00:24:56.96\00:24:58.39
it would be as why Adam and Eve
00:24:58.43\00:25:00.56
needed the tree of life.
00:25:00.60\00:25:02.13
The Bible makes it very
clear in 1 Timothy 6:16,
00:25:02.16\00:25:06.10
that only God has immortality,
and therefore this tree...
00:25:06.13\00:25:10.51
That reference, of course,
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is found in
Revelation Chapter 22,
00:25:11.91\00:25:13.88
what the question
is referencing here,
00:25:13.91\00:25:15.31
and I'll just read it here,
00:25:15.34\00:25:16.68
verses 1 and verses 2
of Revelation 22, it says,
00:25:16.71\00:25:19.28
"And he showed me a
pure river of water of life,
00:25:19.31\00:25:21.88
clear as crystal," notice this,
00:25:21.92\00:25:23.82
"proceeding from
the throne of God,
00:25:23.85\00:25:25.85
and out of the Lamb.
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And then comes verse 2,
regarding the tree, it says,"
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In the middle of its street,
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and on either side of the river,
00:25:31.23\00:25:32.56
was the tree of life,
which bore twelve fruits,
00:25:32.59\00:25:34.60
each tree yielding
its fruit every month."
00:25:34.63\00:25:37.17
And then it says,
"The leaves of the tree
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were for the
healing of the nations."
00:25:39.17\00:25:40.87
If God only has
immortality and created beings
00:25:40.90\00:25:43.91
do not have immortality
in and of themselves,
00:25:43.94\00:25:46.78
the only way that
that life can be sustained
00:25:46.81\00:25:49.41
is only from God.
00:25:49.44\00:25:50.95
And therefore what we
see there in Revelation 22:1
00:25:50.98\00:25:54.02
is that the life
source, that pure water of life
00:25:54.05\00:25:56.65
that's coming from God
from the throne of God,
00:25:56.69\00:25:59.12
it's feeding that tree of life.
00:25:59.15\00:26:00.79
And when the
people eat of that tree,
00:26:00.82\00:26:03.99
their immortality is
being sustained by God.
00:26:04.03\00:26:07.63
And so in this case,
00:26:07.66\00:26:09.00
obviously, there's going
to be no sickness in heaven,
00:26:09.03\00:26:11.13
because again,
sin is done away with,
00:26:11.17\00:26:13.37
God has come,
He's finished it right.
00:26:13.40\00:26:15.70
By this time
He's put it behind us,
00:26:15.74\00:26:18.04
and therefore we
have eternal life
00:26:18.07\00:26:20.14
not in and of ourselves.
00:26:20.18\00:26:21.51
But as we eat of
that tree of life,
00:26:21.54\00:26:23.38
each and every month of
that beautiful new fruit
00:26:23.41\00:26:25.51
that comes from that tree,
00:26:25.55\00:26:26.88
we are receiving the
life source from God.
00:26:26.92\00:26:29.28
So, yeah, if God
was not in the picture,
00:26:29.32\00:26:31.49
and that immortality or
that immortal life source
00:26:31.52\00:26:34.66
that comes from
God was not there,
00:26:34.69\00:26:36.46
then I would say,
00:26:36.49\00:26:37.83
you know, man would probably
just deteriorate over time
00:26:37.86\00:26:41.20
because they're not obviously
participating or partaking
00:26:41.23\00:26:44.50
of that life source
that comes from God.
00:26:44.53\00:26:46.23
So the answer is simple.
00:26:46.27\00:26:47.60
Only God has immortality,
00:26:47.64\00:26:49.34
that immortal life
sources coming from God's throne
00:26:49.37\00:26:52.07
through that pure water of life
00:26:52.11\00:26:53.91
that's feeding and giving
that life source to the tree.
00:26:53.94\00:26:56.31
When we eat of that tree,
00:26:56.34\00:26:57.88
we also are immortal through God
00:26:57.91\00:27:00.65
because God has given it to us
00:27:00.68\00:27:02.15
not because we have
it in and of ourselves.
00:27:02.18\00:27:03.59
Amen. Thank you so much.
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Shelley, coming to you,
00:27:05.25\00:27:06.82
"What is the difference between
a delight and my pleasure?"
00:27:06.86\00:27:11.56
This comes from
someone in Maryland.
00:27:11.59\00:27:13.90
I assume they're
referring to Isaiah 58.
00:27:13.93\00:27:16.33
I would think they are.
00:27:16.36\00:27:17.70
But I want to
begin with Psalm 37:4
00:27:17.73\00:27:21.84
because so many
people quote this scripture,
00:27:21.87\00:27:25.11
Psalm 37:4 says,
00:27:25.14\00:27:27.44
"Delight
yourself also in the Lord
00:27:27.48\00:27:30.41
and He shall give you
the desires of your heart."
00:27:30.45\00:27:34.55
What that verse says is
that, when you look to the Lord
00:27:34.58\00:27:39.19
and find your joy in Him,
00:27:39.22\00:27:41.79
when you delight in Him,
00:27:41.82\00:27:43.83
He lines your desires up
00:27:43.86\00:27:47.66
with His desires.
00:27:47.70\00:27:50.20
Now, if we turn
to Isaiah Chapter 58,
00:27:50.23\00:27:55.54
and then we'll look
at verses 13 and 14,
00:27:55.57\00:27:59.04
it says, this is
the Lord speaking.
00:27:59.07\00:28:02.71
"If you turn away
your foot from the Sabbath,
00:28:02.74\00:28:07.58
from doing your
pleasures on My holy day."
00:28:07.62\00:28:12.79
And that word in the Hebrew
00:28:12.82\00:28:15.09
is actually talking
about business pleasures,
00:28:15.12\00:28:19.23
and call the Sabbath a delight,
00:28:19.26\00:28:21.50
the holy day of the Lord,
honorable and to honor Him,
00:28:21.53\00:28:24.50
not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
00:28:24.53\00:28:29.24
nor speaking your own words,
00:28:29.27\00:28:32.14
then you shall
delight yourself in the Lord.
00:28:32.17\00:28:36.18
It's going to be
an exquisite delight
00:28:36.21\00:28:38.01
as we lay aside all of
our business pleasures,
00:28:38.05\00:28:41.05
and He says,
00:28:41.08\00:28:42.42
"I will cause you to ride
on the high hills of the earth,
00:28:42.45\00:28:44.99
and your feet will
be on those high hills."
00:28:45.02\00:28:50.93
The Sabbath is that time
00:28:50.96\00:28:53.63
of intimate
quality time with God.
00:28:53.66\00:28:57.53
He says, put away
your business pleasures.
00:28:57.57\00:29:00.54
Don't be thinking about
the things of this earth.
00:29:00.57\00:29:03.57
This is a time that I ask
you to come spend with me,
00:29:03.61\00:29:07.88
spend with your loved
ones and you will find
00:29:07.91\00:29:13.18
that My delight is yours.
00:29:13.21\00:29:15.25
Amen.
00:29:15.28\00:29:16.62
Speaking of the Sabbath,
this question just came in,
00:29:16.65\00:29:18.35
I'm going to toss it
out for the whole panel.
00:29:18.39\00:29:20.22
"Is it biblical to
have sexual relations
00:29:20.26\00:29:23.36
with your
spouse on the Sabbath?"
00:29:23.39\00:29:26.63
Anyone wants to
jump in and tackle that?
00:29:26.66\00:29:28.46
I'm going to say yes.
00:29:28.50\00:29:29.83
Agree.
00:29:29.86\00:29:32.20
And this is interesting.
00:29:32.23\00:29:33.87
I don't know if
you know this about
00:29:33.90\00:29:36.24
the Jewish
religion they considered...
00:29:36.27\00:29:40.24
Because the Sabbath was
created in the beginning.
00:29:40.28\00:29:45.38
I mean, God
created man and woman
00:29:45.41\00:29:48.28
brought them
together, marriage was created.
00:29:48.32\00:29:50.95
In the Garden of Eden,
00:29:50.99\00:29:52.32
the Sabbath was
created in the Garden of Eden,
00:29:52.35\00:29:55.16
and Jews actually believe
00:29:55.19\00:29:57.39
that that is one
of the high pleasures
00:29:57.43\00:29:59.93
of the Sabbath
00:29:59.96\00:30:01.30
is to come
together as man intended.
00:30:01.33\00:30:03.93
I'll let you expound on that.
00:30:03.97\00:30:07.07
I think if we look back
at the Garden of Eden there
00:30:07.10\00:30:09.97
when Christ created Adam
and Eve on the sixth day,
00:30:10.01\00:30:13.34
what was the first
command He gave them,
00:30:13.38\00:30:14.94
on the sixth day, be
fruitful and multiply,
00:30:14.98\00:30:17.91
but He didn't say, be
fruitful and multiply,
00:30:17.95\00:30:20.05
except on the seventh day,
00:30:20.08\00:30:21.42
because the Sabbath is
Holy and you shouldn't do that.
00:30:21.45\00:30:23.62
I think that we have
to stick to the Bible
00:30:23.65\00:30:25.89
and that there's
no text in the Bible,
00:30:25.92\00:30:27.62
where God says if a married man
00:30:27.66\00:30:30.56
and a married woman
obviously come together,
00:30:30.59\00:30:32.59
and they have that
special relationship,
00:30:32.63\00:30:34.96
that bond on the Sabbath,
00:30:35.00\00:30:36.33
that somehow they're
violating the holiness
00:30:36.36\00:30:38.13
or the sanctity of the Sabbath.
00:30:38.17\00:30:39.50
I've never found a
scripture in all the Bible
00:30:39.53\00:30:41.87
that says that.
00:30:41.90\00:30:43.24
And so again, if
it was a violation
00:30:43.27\00:30:45.27
of the holiness of the Sabbath,
00:30:45.31\00:30:46.64
I think we would see that
there in the Garden of Eden
00:30:46.68\00:30:48.04
where God created both marriage
00:30:48.08\00:30:49.84
and the
commandment given for them
00:30:49.88\00:30:51.38
to be fruitful and multiply.
00:30:51.41\00:30:52.75
And then the very
next day was the Sabbath
00:30:52.78\00:30:54.58
in which God was
giving them example
00:30:54.62\00:30:56.32
of how to keep the Sabbath.
00:30:56.35\00:30:57.95
And so I think that we
would see evidence there,
00:30:57.99\00:30:59.99
we will see some type of command
00:31:00.02\00:31:01.36
where the Lord
say, no, no, no, no,
00:31:01.39\00:31:02.72
that's not good
to do on the Sabbath,
00:31:02.76\00:31:04.09
but it's not there.
00:31:04.13\00:31:05.59
I think the
Sabbath is a holy day.
00:31:05.63\00:31:07.76
We should protect the sanctity
and the holiness of that day.
00:31:07.80\00:31:11.37
But it's also
obviously a day for us
00:31:11.40\00:31:13.13
to commune not
only with our God,
00:31:13.17\00:31:14.84
but with our family,
with our husband, our wives,
00:31:14.87\00:31:17.97
with our children,
00:31:18.01\00:31:19.34
with our church
family, our loved ones.
00:31:19.37\00:31:21.01
And so it should be a day
00:31:21.04\00:31:23.18
of pleasure
within the confinements
00:31:23.21\00:31:25.98
of the holiness
and the sanctity,
00:31:26.01\00:31:27.95
and what we see
is okay in the Bible,
00:31:27.98\00:31:30.15
but obviously,
there are certain things
00:31:30.19\00:31:31.52
which is a
whole another question
00:31:31.55\00:31:32.89
in and of itself,
00:31:32.92\00:31:34.26
that we know that it's
not good to do on the Sabbath.
00:31:34.29\00:31:35.62
But in this case,
there's no biblical evidence
00:31:35.66\00:31:37.29
that says that
it's somehow wrong
00:31:37.33\00:31:39.16
to have that
special bond relationship
00:31:39.19\00:31:41.23
with your husband
or wife on the Sabbath.
00:31:41.26\00:31:42.80
Yeah, the Sabbath is
all about intimacy with God
00:31:42.83\00:31:45.43
and intimacy with each other.
00:31:45.47\00:31:46.80
Amen.
00:31:46.84\00:31:48.47
I just want to say
their wedding night
00:31:48.50\00:31:49.84
was Friday night.
00:31:49.87\00:31:51.21
Right?
00:31:51.24\00:31:52.57
I mean, that is the Sabbath.
00:31:52.61\00:31:54.48
They were married on Friday,
00:31:54.51\00:31:55.84
their wedding
night was the Sabbath.
00:31:55.88\00:31:57.65
Okay, this is, Pastor James,
00:31:57.68\00:31:59.88
"Blessed morning
Sabbath School Panel,
00:31:59.91\00:32:02.28
can you explain
Matthew 24:40-41?
00:32:02.32\00:32:05.75
What does it mean, one is
taken and the other one is left?
00:32:05.79\00:32:10.26
Okay, this is a great question.
00:32:10.29\00:32:12.13
It also connects
with question number 16,
00:32:12.16\00:32:15.43
which refers to Matthew 24:28.
00:32:15.46\00:32:18.20
So let's just read
all of those verses.
00:32:18.23\00:32:20.20
We'll start with Matthew
24:28 since it's in sequence,
00:32:20.24\00:32:23.87
it says, "For
wherever the carcass is,
00:32:23.91\00:32:27.34
there will the eagles
be gathered together."
00:32:27.38\00:32:29.78
And then verses 40 and 41,
00:32:29.81\00:32:33.75
"Then shall two be in the field,
00:32:33.78\00:32:35.78
the one shall be
taken and the other left.
00:32:35.82\00:32:38.15
Two women shall be
gathering at the mill
00:32:38.19\00:32:40.39
that one shall be
taken and the other left."
00:32:40.42\00:32:42.86
The context of this
is really important,
00:32:42.89\00:32:45.03
not just the immediate context,
00:32:45.06\00:32:46.39
but the biblical context
and even the storyline context,
00:32:46.43\00:32:49.90
which actually takes us back
00:32:49.93\00:32:51.27
to the days of Noah in verse 37,
00:32:51.30\00:32:53.13
"For as in the days of Noah,
00:32:53.17\00:32:54.50
so shall be at the
coming of the Son of man.
00:32:54.54\00:32:56.77
For as in the days of
Noah that were before the flood
00:32:56.81\00:32:58.91
they were eating and drinking,
00:32:58.94\00:33:00.28
marrying and giving in marriage,
00:33:00.31\00:33:01.64
until the day that
Noah entered into the ark,
00:33:01.68\00:33:03.21
and knew not
until the flood came,
00:33:03.24\00:33:04.91
and took them all away,
00:33:04.95\00:33:06.28
so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be."
00:33:06.31\00:33:08.78
So when the flood came,
00:33:08.82\00:33:11.59
there were those that were taken
00:33:11.62\00:33:13.25
and those that were left.
00:33:13.29\00:33:14.69
The ones that were
taken were taken by the flood,
00:33:14.72\00:33:17.19
the ones that were left
00:33:17.23\00:33:18.56
were the ones
that were in the ark.
00:33:18.59\00:33:19.93
And so Jesus is
saying, when I return,
00:33:19.96\00:33:22.43
there are going to be
those that are going to be taken
00:33:22.46\00:33:24.57
by the seven last plagues,
00:33:24.60\00:33:25.93
by the destruction, by
the glory of His brightness,
00:33:25.97\00:33:28.30
and they're going to be
those that are going to be left.
00:33:28.34\00:33:30.74
And the context of this
00:33:30.77\00:33:32.24
is that they're going
to be taken to destruction,
00:33:32.27\00:33:35.38
because in verse 28, it says,
00:33:35.41\00:33:37.25
"Wherever the
carcass is gathered,
00:33:37.28\00:33:39.25
there will the eagles
be gathered together."
00:33:39.28\00:33:41.38
In fact, in Luke 17,
00:33:41.42\00:33:43.35
the disciples go
through this same quandary.
00:33:43.39\00:33:46.09
They have the same question.
00:33:46.12\00:33:47.46
In Luke 17 Jesus talks
about these days of Noah
00:33:47.49\00:33:50.23
going to be a type
of His Second Coming.
00:33:50.26\00:33:52.06
He talks about
how the days of Lot
00:33:52.09\00:33:54.13
or type of His Second Coming.
00:33:54.16\00:33:55.50
And then He talks
about the two in the field.
00:33:55.53\00:33:57.80
And when He's
done with all of that,
00:33:57.83\00:33:59.17
then He talks about all those
00:33:59.20\00:34:00.54
that are taken
and those who left.
00:34:00.57\00:34:02.30
The disciples asked Him
the question where Lord,
00:34:02.34\00:34:04.64
He says, wherever the
eagles are gathered together,
00:34:04.67\00:34:06.61
there also the carcass will be.
00:34:06.64\00:34:08.51
And we see this also
in Revelation Chapter 19.
00:34:08.54\00:34:11.68
So in 1 Thessalonians 4 Paul,
00:34:11.71\00:34:15.38
again, a larger context explains
00:34:15.42\00:34:17.62
the Second
Coming of Jesus Christ.
00:34:17.65\00:34:18.99
And he says, those of us
00:34:19.02\00:34:20.66
who remain and are
alive will be caught up.
00:34:20.69\00:34:25.26
So again, this is affirming
that those who remained,
00:34:25.29\00:34:27.63
those who are not destroyed
00:34:27.66\00:34:29.00
by the brightness of His coming,
00:34:29.03\00:34:30.37
those who are not destroyed
by the seven last plagues,
00:34:30.40\00:34:31.90
those who remain and are alive.
00:34:31.93\00:34:33.70
And it was the same,
of course, in Noah's time.
00:34:33.74\00:34:35.90
That scripture now
that we've just talked about
00:34:35.94\00:34:38.94
can be
understood a different way.
00:34:38.97\00:34:40.78
And I don't
think this is something
00:34:40.81\00:34:43.65
that we need to have a
great controversy over.
00:34:43.68\00:34:45.81
There are a
number of theologians
00:34:45.85\00:34:47.65
in our denomination who see
this a little bit differently,
00:34:47.68\00:34:50.05
but the point is the same.
00:34:50.09\00:34:51.42
There are two groups of
people when Jesus comes,
00:34:51.45\00:34:53.36
some are going to be saved,
some are going to be lost.
00:34:53.39\00:34:56.46
The position I take is basically
00:34:56.49\00:34:58.13
that God is going to destroy
the wicked from off the earth.
00:34:58.16\00:35:01.60
But the
righteous will be preserved
00:35:01.63\00:35:03.77
in the midst of
these commotions,
00:35:03.80\00:35:05.50
as Noah was
preserved in the ark.
00:35:05.53\00:35:07.84
Amen. Thank you so much.
00:35:07.87\00:35:09.60
Pastor Johnny, when
Jesus died on the cross,
00:35:09.64\00:35:13.38
did the people in
the grave go to heaven
00:35:13.41\00:35:16.51
or back to the grave?"
00:35:16.54\00:35:19.75
This is a reference
to Matthew Chapter 27,
00:35:19.78\00:35:23.42
where it talks about
that the graves were open
00:35:23.45\00:35:26.96
and many of the saints appeared.
00:35:26.99\00:35:30.19
Actually, I'm
pretty close to that.
00:35:30.23\00:35:31.99
Let's see Matthew 27...
00:35:32.03\00:35:34.90
Yes, and verse 52,
"And the graves were opened,
00:35:34.93\00:35:40.34
and many bodies of the saints
00:35:40.37\00:35:41.70
who had fallen
asleep were raised."
00:35:41.74\00:35:43.91
Now, this is very interesting,
00:35:43.94\00:35:45.51
because it says many
bodies of the saints.
00:35:45.54\00:35:47.38
Now some people
believe that once you die,
00:35:47.41\00:35:48.88
you go to heaven,
but here are the saints
00:35:48.91\00:35:51.38
is still in the grave.
00:35:51.41\00:35:53.48
And coming out of the
graves after His resurrection,
00:35:53.52\00:35:56.42
they went into the holy
city and appeared to many.
00:35:56.45\00:35:59.22
So what
happened to these people?
00:35:59.25\00:36:03.43
There's a verse in
Ephesians Chapter 4,
00:36:03.46\00:36:07.03
that gives us an
understanding or a hint
00:36:07.06\00:36:10.93
that these
individuals went with Jesus
00:36:10.97\00:36:14.70
when He ascended up on high,
00:36:14.74\00:36:16.07
and this is Ephesians
4:8, and it says the following.
00:36:16.10\00:36:22.01
Therefore he says,
"When He ascended on high,
00:36:22.04\00:36:24.85
He led captivity
captive, and gave gifts to men."
00:36:24.88\00:36:29.58
This idea of captivity,
those that were in the grave,
00:36:29.62\00:36:34.12
or the captives
that were in the grave,
00:36:34.16\00:36:35.89
that
resurrected, during that time
00:36:35.92\00:36:38.49
that we just
mentioned in Matthew Chapter 27.
00:36:38.53\00:36:41.06
He led these to heaven
00:36:41.10\00:36:43.87
and they did not
go back to the grave.
00:36:43.90\00:36:47.24
It doesn't clearly
say that in the Bible,
00:36:47.27\00:36:49.77
but these saints
were resurrected,
00:36:49.80\00:36:52.67
because Christ was
victorious on the cross,
00:36:52.71\00:36:56.34
and there was no need for them
00:36:56.38\00:36:57.71
to go back to the grave.
00:36:57.75\00:36:59.08
They were taken as a sampling
you want to call it of...
00:36:59.11\00:37:02.98
Firstfruits.
00:37:03.02\00:37:04.35
The firstfruits of those
that will be resurrected,
00:37:04.39\00:37:08.32
because of the victory
of Christ on the cross.
00:37:08.36\00:37:11.13
These were taken as a
sample or a firstfruits
00:37:11.16\00:37:16.03
of those that
will be resurrected
00:37:16.06\00:37:17.80
when Jesus Christ
comes the second time
00:37:17.83\00:37:19.97
because there's a
first resurrection
00:37:20.00\00:37:21.74
and a second resurrection.
00:37:21.77\00:37:23.74
And so, by God's grace,
let us live to be either alive,
00:37:23.77\00:37:27.81
righteous living with the Lord,
00:37:27.84\00:37:29.51
or to be part of
the first resurrection.
00:37:29.54\00:37:31.91
Amen. Thank you so much.
00:37:31.95\00:37:33.48
Well done.
00:37:33.52\00:37:34.85
We're going back to one
of the bonus questions here
00:37:34.88\00:37:37.12
that have come in this hour,
00:37:37.15\00:37:38.55
and this is for
everyone on the panel.
00:37:38.59\00:37:40.99
I think this is a
really important question.
00:37:41.02\00:37:42.79
It's about Ellen
White as a prophet
00:37:42.82\00:37:44.39
within the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:37:44.43\00:37:46.09
"Why does the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:37:46.13\00:37:48.20
look at Ellen
White as a prophet,
00:37:48.23\00:37:49.93
even though scripture
says no man knows the day
00:37:49.96\00:37:52.37
or hour Christ will return,
00:37:52.40\00:37:54.17
yet she tried to
figure out the date?
00:37:54.20\00:37:57.31
Wasn't that
arrogant and misleading?"
00:37:57.34\00:37:59.71
So a little bit about
the beginning of the church
00:37:59.74\00:38:01.78
and the date
setting but then also,
00:38:01.81\00:38:03.68
why would the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:38:03.71\00:38:05.51
consider Ellen
White to be a prophet?"
00:38:05.55\00:38:08.25
Well, I'd like to go
with the first part first,
00:38:08.28\00:38:10.29
because the person seems to
indicate that Ellen G. White
00:38:10.32\00:38:15.69
tried to figure out the date.
00:38:15.72\00:38:18.23
She did not try to
figure out the date,
00:38:18.26\00:38:19.79
this was done by others.
00:38:19.83\00:38:21.73
And there was a huge movement.
00:38:21.76\00:38:24.23
It was not only here in
the US, but in other countries.
00:38:24.27\00:38:27.07
People were
studying the Book of Daniel,
00:38:27.10\00:38:30.14
and they were
coming to conclusions
00:38:30.17\00:38:32.81
that led them to believe
00:38:32.84\00:38:34.94
that Jesus
Christ was coming soon.
00:38:34.98\00:38:36.44
One of these was William Miller.
00:38:36.48\00:38:37.81
He was not a Seventh-day
Adventist, by the way,
00:38:37.85\00:38:39.88
and he believed that
Jesus Christ was coming first
00:38:39.91\00:38:43.28
as he studied he
thought it was the fall of 1843.
00:38:43.32\00:38:45.85
But then later
because of some further study,
00:38:45.89\00:38:48.42
they thought it
was the fall of 1844.
00:38:48.46\00:38:51.36
Ellen G. White
heard these presentations
00:38:51.39\00:38:54.43
and believed
the Lord was coming,
00:38:54.46\00:38:57.13
however, she among others
were wrong about the date,
00:38:57.17\00:39:02.57
because she believed
what the presentations
00:39:02.60\00:39:05.54
were about the coming of Christ.
00:39:05.57\00:39:06.91
But these people
misunderstood the reference
00:39:06.94\00:39:12.78
because it says in Daniel 8:14
00:39:12.81\00:39:16.69
and it says unto 2300 evenings
and mornings it says in Psalms,
00:39:16.72\00:39:21.19
or it says days and
days are equivalent to years,
00:39:21.22\00:39:24.39
then shall the
sanctuary be cleansed.
00:39:24.43\00:39:26.23
These people believed
the sanctuary was the earth.
00:39:26.26\00:39:29.23
And there's no
scripture that says
00:39:29.26\00:39:30.63
that sanctuary is the earth.
00:39:30.67\00:39:32.07
So they thought the
earth is going to be cleansed,
00:39:32.10\00:39:34.40
and Jesus Christ will come.
00:39:34.44\00:39:37.17
So then, we can tell you
that history does not show
00:39:37.21\00:39:41.04
that Ellen G. White
tried to find a date.
00:39:41.08\00:39:42.81
She, in fact,
said that no man, said,
00:39:42.84\00:39:45.25
knows the day nor the hour.
00:39:45.28\00:39:47.58
So there is a second
part of the question,
00:39:47.62\00:39:49.55
and that is, why do we
believe she's a prophet.
00:39:49.58\00:39:51.55
Right.
00:39:51.59\00:39:52.92
I've spoken,
00:39:52.95\00:39:54.29
maybe somebody
else can speak now.
00:39:54.32\00:39:55.96
I would just like to
add a personal perspective.
00:39:55.99\00:39:58.43
When I joined the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:39:58.46\00:40:01.43
because I believed,
00:40:01.46\00:40:02.80
well, what God was
teaching me I found out
00:40:02.83\00:40:05.17
that the Seventh-day
Adventist Church believed.
00:40:05.20\00:40:07.80
I think, we believe more truth
00:40:07.84\00:40:09.50
than any other church I know of,
00:40:09.54\00:40:11.17
or I would have joined that.
00:40:11.21\00:40:12.61
I confess that when I first came
00:40:12.64\00:40:14.71
and God had made me reading
00:40:14.74\00:40:16.08
only the Bible
for several years.
00:40:16.11\00:40:18.95
And I had not read Ellen White,
00:40:18.98\00:40:21.68
I was in Berkeley
Springs, West Virginia,
00:40:21.72\00:40:25.62
my host for the event I
was doing was Roger Coons.
00:40:25.65\00:40:31.13
We went downstairs
one night after a meal
00:40:31.16\00:40:33.86
and he said, I told him, I
haven't read Ellen White yet.
00:40:33.90\00:40:37.87
And he said,
Shelley, God's leading you
00:40:37.90\00:40:39.93
in exactly the way he led her,
00:40:39.97\00:40:41.64
you're going to love her.
00:40:41.67\00:40:43.10
He said something interesting.
00:40:43.14\00:40:44.57
She is a teaching of the Church,
00:40:44.61\00:40:48.04
not a test of the church.
00:40:48.08\00:40:49.58
And I said, "What do you mean?"
00:40:49.61\00:40:50.95
He said, "You didn't have to,
on a baptismal certificate say,
00:40:50.98\00:40:55.38
I accept Ellen White."
00:40:55.42\00:40:57.19
I say all of that to say this.
00:40:57.22\00:41:00.02
I was reluctant in
the very beginning,
00:41:00.06\00:41:03.73
about the idea of "a prophet."
00:41:03.76\00:41:06.53
Everything that I
have read from Ellen White
00:41:06.56\00:41:09.86
is backed up by a
thus saith the Lord.
00:41:09.90\00:41:12.93
Everything that I've
read from Ellen White
00:41:12.97\00:41:15.74
points us to the Scripture.
00:41:15.77\00:41:17.67
She does not take
any glory upon herself.
00:41:17.71\00:41:21.31
I believe that this was a woman
filled with the Holy Spirit
00:41:21.34\00:41:26.21
dedicated to the Lord
00:41:26.25\00:41:28.08
and I trust that she
had a prophetic gift.
00:41:28.12\00:41:31.99
The Ellen White
estate says only about 3%,
00:41:32.02\00:41:36.02
of what she wrote was
like a futuristic prophecy.
00:41:36.06\00:41:40.76
But prophecy
00:41:40.80\00:41:42.60
can be just
expounding on the scriptures,
00:41:42.63\00:41:45.30
and this lady knew
what she's talking about.
00:41:45.33\00:41:48.80
I agree with Shelley, I
had a similar experience
00:41:48.84\00:41:51.27
becoming a
Seventh-day Adventist.
00:41:51.31\00:41:52.94
I was baptized
00:41:52.97\00:41:54.31
and didn't
necessarily accept Ellen White
00:41:54.34\00:41:56.98
in the way that I
understand her today.
00:41:57.01\00:41:58.58
It had to be
proven to me and it was,
00:41:58.61\00:42:00.65
and I believe, we believe
Ellen White is a prophet,
00:42:00.68\00:42:02.82
because of what it
says in Revelation 12:17,
00:42:02.85\00:42:05.65
that God's
remnant church will have,
00:42:05.69\00:42:07.69
will keep the
commandments of God
00:42:07.72\00:42:09.06
and have the testimony of Jesus,
00:42:09.09\00:42:10.43
and that that testimony of Jesus
00:42:10.46\00:42:12.03
is defined in Revelation 19:10
00:42:12.06\00:42:14.10
as the Spirit of Prophecy.
00:42:14.13\00:42:15.56
It's the lesser light,
though, and a lot of us,
00:42:15.60\00:42:17.33
sometimes Adventist make it
out to be equal with the Bible.
00:42:17.37\00:42:20.30
Sometimes you go to
an Adventist Church,
00:42:20.34\00:42:21.80
and all you hear is Ellen White.
00:42:21.84\00:42:23.64
And I think that in those cases,
00:42:23.67\00:42:25.44
we're doing the same
thing with the gift of prophecy
00:42:25.47\00:42:27.94
that perhaps Pentecostals
do with the gift of tongues.
00:42:27.98\00:42:30.91
We're overusing and
over-exaggerating that gift
00:42:30.95\00:42:33.85
and Ellen White would be shocked
00:42:33.88\00:42:35.65
for us to be
doing that with her.
00:42:35.68\00:42:37.02
She said, "We need
to preach from the Bible
00:42:37.05\00:42:38.39
and the Bible alone."
00:42:38.42\00:42:39.75
I believe that
is what Adventists
00:42:39.79\00:42:41.19
are called to do.
00:42:41.22\00:42:42.56
Amen. You want to add anything?
00:42:42.59\00:42:44.03
Well, I just want to say,
00:42:44.06\00:42:45.59
in reference to the
her setting the date
00:42:45.63\00:42:47.63
or you know, some
people try to use that,
00:42:47.66\00:42:49.40
as this person is
trying to allude to,
00:42:49.43\00:42:51.87
and I agree with
what Pastor Dinzey said
00:42:51.90\00:42:54.90
that, yes, Ellen White
was among that Millerite group
00:42:54.94\00:42:57.84
that accepted that time
frame that the date of 1844,
00:42:57.87\00:43:02.54
they just got the
event wrong, right?
00:43:02.58\00:43:04.68
They missed the point,
00:43:04.71\00:43:06.05
the meaning of what
was actually happening
00:43:06.08\00:43:07.68
with that 1844 time period.
00:43:07.72\00:43:09.82
But if you look
at the time frame,
00:43:09.85\00:43:11.35
it was in the aftermath
of that disappointment.
00:43:11.39\00:43:14.12
It was in the aftermath of that.
00:43:14.16\00:43:15.49
It wasn't until December of 1844
00:43:15.52\00:43:17.49
that Ellen White
received her first vision
00:43:17.53\00:43:19.79
from God as a prophet or
a calling for a prophetess.
00:43:19.83\00:43:23.53
God knows her heart.
00:43:23.57\00:43:24.90
He knew her heart
00:43:24.93\00:43:26.27
that even though
she was among that group
00:43:26.30\00:43:27.64
that had made a
mistake as far as the event,
00:43:27.67\00:43:29.94
yet at the same
time, He knew her heart.
00:43:29.97\00:43:32.27
He knew that she was humble.
00:43:32.31\00:43:34.01
He knew that she was
a servant of the Lord
00:43:34.04\00:43:35.68
that her heart was
in the right place.
00:43:35.71\00:43:37.21
And again, as she refers to it,
00:43:37.25\00:43:39.08
God had called the
weakest of the weak.
00:43:39.11\00:43:41.42
And she was a powerful woman
00:43:41.45\00:43:44.39
who came about to
preach a mighty word
00:43:44.42\00:43:46.69
and to share
wonderful things with us.
00:43:46.72\00:43:48.22
And I will also
just give really quickly
00:43:48.26\00:43:50.39
my testimony on that,
00:43:50.43\00:43:51.76
and that is I
came into the church
00:43:51.79\00:43:53.26
and I was kicking and screaming,
00:43:53.29\00:43:54.63
I didn't like
Ellen White, was like,
00:43:54.66\00:43:56.00
you know what all
we needed is the Bible.
00:43:56.03\00:43:57.37
We don't need Ellen White.
00:43:57.40\00:43:58.90
I had all kinds of arguments
and things with people.
00:43:58.93\00:44:00.94
And the pastor
came up to me one day
00:44:00.97\00:44:02.60
and he handed me
this little tiny book
00:44:02.64\00:44:04.17
called Steps to Christ.
00:44:04.21\00:44:06.41
He said, "Have you ever
read any of her writings?"
00:44:06.44\00:44:08.01
I said, "No."
00:44:08.04\00:44:09.38
He goes, "Well, then
how can you judge a person
00:44:09.41\00:44:10.75
if you haven't
studied her writings?"
00:44:10.78\00:44:12.11
As I tell you what,
if she's a false prophet,
00:44:12.15\00:44:13.82
go home and read
this little tiny book,
00:44:13.85\00:44:15.65
100 pages, Steps to Christ,
00:44:15.68\00:44:17.15
surely, if
she's a false prophet,
00:44:17.19\00:44:18.55
there's something in there.
00:44:18.59\00:44:19.92
Oh, I love that challenge.
00:44:19.95\00:44:21.29
I was like, yes, I'm
going to take this book home
00:44:21.32\00:44:23.46
and with a fine tooth comb,
00:44:23.49\00:44:24.83
I'm going to figure
out that this woman,
00:44:24.86\00:44:26.29
and I'm going to show proof
that she's a false prophet.
00:44:26.33\00:44:28.30
I went home, and
I read that book.
00:44:28.33\00:44:29.70
And with each
passing chapter that I read,
00:44:29.73\00:44:32.07
I became more
and more convinced,
00:44:32.10\00:44:34.07
and more and more convicted
of the power that God was,
00:44:34.10\00:44:36.91
you know, working through
her to communicate the gospel.
00:44:36.94\00:44:39.57
So again, don't
judge a book by its cover,
00:44:39.61\00:44:41.81
spend some time in her writings,
00:44:41.84\00:44:43.35
and you'll find
that it's not her,
00:44:43.38\00:44:44.88
but the power of the Holy Spirit
00:44:44.91\00:44:46.31
through her writings
00:44:46.35\00:44:47.68
that's bringing people to Christ
00:44:47.72\00:44:49.05
and pointing them
back to the greater light
00:44:49.08\00:44:50.65
of Jesus Christ in the Word.
00:44:50.69\00:44:52.02
Amen.
00:44:52.05\00:44:53.39
Let's see if we can get
00:44:53.42\00:44:54.76
to at least
another question each.
00:44:54.79\00:44:56.12
This one is for Shelley,
00:44:56.16\00:44:57.66
"Please elaborate and make plain
00:44:57.69\00:44:59.56
Hebrews 11:13-16,
00:44:59.59\00:45:02.90
it seems contradicting?"
00:45:02.93\00:45:04.80
This is from Rachel.
00:45:04.83\00:45:06.17
Hebrews 11:13-16.
00:45:06.20\00:45:08.90
Let's see what it says.
00:45:08.94\00:45:11.07
Hebrews 11 is, of
course, the faith chapter.
00:45:11.11\00:45:14.44
And it's speaking about Sarah,
Noah, and Jacob and everything.
00:45:14.48\00:45:17.75
It says, "These
all died in faith,
00:45:17.78\00:45:21.12
not having
received the promises,
00:45:21.15\00:45:25.42
but having seen them afar
off, they were assured of them,
00:45:25.45\00:45:30.13
embraced them and confessed
00:45:30.16\00:45:32.56
that they were strangers
and pilgrims on the earth.
00:45:32.59\00:45:34.80
For those who say
such things declare plainly
00:45:34.83\00:45:38.20
that they seek a homeland.
00:45:38.23\00:45:41.00
And truly if they
had called to mind
00:45:41.04\00:45:44.01
that country from
which they had come out,
00:45:44.04\00:45:46.74
they would have had
opportunity to return.
00:45:46.78\00:45:49.04
But now they
desire something better,
00:45:49.08\00:45:51.25
that is, the heavenly country.
00:45:51.28\00:45:54.05
Therefore God is not
ashamed to be called their God,
00:45:54.08\00:45:57.22
and prepare the city for them."
00:45:57.25\00:45:59.35
All of these
saints in the Hall of Fame
00:45:59.39\00:46:02.89
were looking forward
to the New Jerusalem,
00:46:02.92\00:46:06.26
the heavenly
country, the New Earth.
00:46:06.29\00:46:09.30
But the Bible
clearly says repeatedly,
00:46:09.33\00:46:12.93
they do not precede or it says,
00:46:12.97\00:46:16.77
let me just read this to you
because in 1 Thessalonians 4,
00:46:16.81\00:46:20.28
the Bible says, verse 15,
00:46:20.31\00:46:23.75
1 Thessalonians 4:15,
00:46:23.78\00:46:26.58
"This we say to you
by the word of the Lord,
00:46:26.61\00:46:28.58
that we who are
alive and remain,
00:46:28.62\00:46:31.29
until the coming of the Lord,
00:46:31.32\00:46:34.02
will by no means
precede those who are asleep."
00:46:34.06\00:46:39.83
What's he saying?
00:46:39.86\00:46:41.23
They did not receive
the promise, we're not all,
00:46:41.26\00:46:45.13
we're all going to
receive the promise together.
00:46:45.17\00:46:49.14
If we're alive and
remain when Christ returns,
00:46:49.17\00:46:52.54
we don't go up
and be in His presence
00:46:52.57\00:46:55.78
before 1 Thessalonians 4:16,
00:46:55.81\00:46:58.81
He's gonna bring
everybody up out of the grave,
00:46:58.85\00:47:02.12
and we're caught up together.
00:47:02.15\00:47:04.02
So there's nothing contradictory
00:47:04.05\00:47:06.62
about Chapter 11.
00:47:06.65\00:47:08.66
They died in the faith,
00:47:08.69\00:47:10.46
the Bible teaches
that death is a sleep,
00:47:10.49\00:47:15.63
a rest and we covered that
00:47:15.66\00:47:17.50
in our Sabbath School Panel.
00:47:17.53\00:47:19.00
Amen. Thank you so much.
00:47:19.03\00:47:20.90
This is for Pastor James.
00:47:20.94\00:47:22.37
"I've asked this
question several times
00:47:22.40\00:47:24.04
for 3ABN to answer.
00:47:24.07\00:47:25.41
Maybe this time
will be my lucky day."
00:47:25.44\00:47:27.24
So we apologize
00:47:27.28\00:47:28.61
that we have not gotten an
answer to your question yet.
00:47:28.64\00:47:31.51
"My question is,
how is the best way
00:47:31.55\00:47:33.48
to talk with our
military veterans
00:47:33.52\00:47:35.32
about the end time role
00:47:35.35\00:47:37.12
of the United
States in prophecy?"
00:47:37.15\00:47:39.79
That's an excellent question.
00:47:39.82\00:47:41.49
And I apologize too
00:47:41.52\00:47:43.09
that we haven't
gotten to that question.
00:47:43.12\00:47:44.79
We do have a lot of
questions that come in,
00:47:44.83\00:47:46.39
and sometimes we can't
get to them all right away.
00:47:46.43\00:47:48.43
Revelation 13:11, I believe
00:47:48.46\00:47:50.03
is the best way to
answer this question.
00:47:50.07\00:47:51.67
It's so powerful, it's so clear.
00:47:51.70\00:47:53.74
Revelation 13:11,
did I say 11:13, 13:11?
00:47:53.77\00:47:57.84
It says here, "And
I beheld another beast
00:47:57.87\00:47:59.87
coming up out of the earth,
00:47:59.91\00:48:01.31
and he had two
horns like a lamb,
00:48:01.34\00:48:03.18
and he spake as a dragon."
00:48:03.21\00:48:04.88
This is without
going into a lot of detail
00:48:04.91\00:48:07.32
a depiction of the United States
00:48:07.35\00:48:08.85
in Bible prophecy.
00:48:08.88\00:48:10.22
It comes up at the
right time in the right place.
00:48:10.25\00:48:12.42
A beast in Bible
prophecy represents
00:48:12.45\00:48:14.29
an earthly power or kingdom.
00:48:14.32\00:48:15.99
This one comes
up from the earth,
00:48:16.02\00:48:17.76
a less populated
part of the earth
00:48:17.79\00:48:19.69
as compared to
the previous beast
00:48:19.73\00:48:21.16
that came up in the
sea among people's nations,
00:48:21.20\00:48:23.77
tongues and kindred.
00:48:23.80\00:48:25.13
So we understand
for a number of reasons
00:48:25.17\00:48:26.90
this is talking
about the United States
00:48:26.94\00:48:28.64
in Bible prophecy.
00:48:28.67\00:48:30.01
You're talking to
a military person,
00:48:30.04\00:48:31.44
you're explaining to
them all of the reasons
00:48:31.47\00:48:33.14
why this is the United States
00:48:33.17\00:48:34.54
and you're explaining to them
00:48:34.58\00:48:35.94
that this country has
two horns like a lamb.
00:48:35.98\00:48:38.91
In other words,
it's a Christian nation
00:48:38.95\00:48:40.28
as it rises.
00:48:40.32\00:48:41.65
The two horns
represent civil freedom
00:48:41.68\00:48:43.25
and religious freedom.
00:48:43.28\00:48:44.75
And this is what
you want to push,
00:48:44.79\00:48:48.49
you want to explain,
you want to emphasize
00:48:48.52\00:48:50.26
whenever you talk
to a military person,
00:48:50.29\00:48:52.03
or to any American citizen,
00:48:52.06\00:48:53.53
because we are
proud of these principles,
00:48:53.56\00:48:55.86
we are thankful
for these principles.
00:48:55.90\00:48:57.33
These are God-given principles.
00:48:57.37\00:48:59.00
These
principles are what make us
00:48:59.03\00:49:00.54
a Christian nation.
00:49:00.57\00:49:01.90
We're not a Christian nation
00:49:01.94\00:49:03.27
because we believe only
in God and only in Christ.
00:49:03.30\00:49:05.07
We're a Christian nation
00:49:05.11\00:49:06.44
because even though
that's what we may believe,
00:49:06.47\00:49:08.08
we allow other people, Muslims,
Hindus, Buddhists, atheists,
00:49:08.11\00:49:11.65
also to have freedom to choose
00:49:11.68\00:49:13.05
what they believe,
that's civil liberty
00:49:13.08\00:49:14.62
as well as the
principle of religious liberty.
00:49:14.65\00:49:17.52
But notice now that it's
going to speak as a dragon.
00:49:17.55\00:49:20.12
And that's what
we're not happy about.
00:49:20.16\00:49:21.52
That's not what
we're not positive about.
00:49:21.56\00:49:23.46
We also need to share that part.
00:49:23.49\00:49:25.06
The dragon is a
representation of Satan,
00:49:25.09\00:49:27.76
and he represents
the spirit of coercion,
00:49:27.80\00:49:30.10
of anger, of control, of
manipulation, of deception.
00:49:30.13\00:49:33.34
All of these principles are seen
00:49:33.37\00:49:34.80
throughout the
Book of Revelation,
00:49:34.84\00:49:36.17
and through the
rest of the Bible.
00:49:36.20\00:49:37.61
And so we see a
wrestling match taking place
00:49:37.64\00:49:41.74
between these two principles.
00:49:41.78\00:49:43.28
And I think we
should be open and honest
00:49:43.31\00:49:46.45
to share with any
military personnel,
00:49:46.48\00:49:48.02
any United States citizen,
00:49:48.05\00:49:49.58
the context of this verse,
00:49:49.62\00:49:51.29
the contrast
that's taking place,
00:49:51.32\00:49:52.69
the wrestling
match is taking place,
00:49:52.72\00:49:54.59
and encourage them to stand
for the principles of the lamb,
00:49:54.62\00:49:57.93
the lamblike principles,
00:49:57.96\00:49:59.29
and to do all they can
to hinder the manifestation
00:49:59.33\00:50:02.63
of the dragon like principles.
00:50:02.66\00:50:04.00
Amen.
00:50:04.03\00:50:05.37
Thank you so much, very clear.
00:50:05.40\00:50:06.90
Pastor Ryan, "Please explain
the parable of the rich man
00:50:06.94\00:50:09.97
and Lazarus.
00:50:10.01\00:50:11.34
This is from Luke 16:19-31.
00:50:11.37\00:50:14.18
This parable seems to
teach that at the time of death,
00:50:14.21\00:50:18.01
and it says from
Joe, so they must mean
00:50:18.05\00:50:19.81
it seems to teach me
that we go to heaven?"
00:50:19.85\00:50:21.58
Right. Yeah.
00:50:21.62\00:50:22.95
So obviously,
let's just make it clear
00:50:22.98\00:50:25.59
that this is a parable.
00:50:25.62\00:50:27.29
And many people look
at this because it says,
00:50:27.32\00:50:29.52
you know, the
rich man and Lazarus
00:50:29.56\00:50:30.89
then because it
mentions Lazarus name.
00:50:30.93\00:50:32.56
Some people say,
well, it's not a parable,
00:50:32.59\00:50:34.13
because it's
mentioning the land that,
00:50:34.16\00:50:35.50
you know, the name Lazarus,
00:50:35.53\00:50:36.87
but there's no doubt
that this is a parable
00:50:36.90\00:50:38.23
because there's
language in here that's used,
00:50:38.27\00:50:40.64
very similar to other parables.
00:50:40.67\00:50:42.00
For instance, if you go back
to the parable of the lost son
00:50:42.04\00:50:45.34
there in Luke 15:11,
00:50:45.37\00:50:48.18
notice what the
very first words are,
00:50:48.21\00:50:49.54
a certain man had two sons.
00:50:49.58\00:50:51.95
You come over to the
next parable right there
00:50:51.98\00:50:54.02
in Luke 16,
00:50:54.05\00:50:56.58
the parable of
the unjust steward,
00:50:56.62\00:50:59.89
there was a
certain rich man, right?
00:50:59.92\00:51:01.96
The parable, right?
00:51:01.99\00:51:03.32
But then what is
the word start within
00:51:03.36\00:51:05.13
the parable of the
rich man and Lazarus,
00:51:05.16\00:51:07.03
there was a certain rich man.
00:51:07.06\00:51:09.03
This is very
consistent in the language
00:51:09.06\00:51:11.13
of Jesus would use
00:51:11.17\00:51:12.50
when He was
about to tell a story,
00:51:12.53\00:51:13.94
a short story that would teach
a moral lesson of some kind.
00:51:13.97\00:51:16.87
Obviously, keep in mind
00:51:16.91\00:51:18.24
that the purpose of
this parable, my friends,
00:51:18.27\00:51:20.34
is not to
communicate the realities
00:51:20.38\00:51:22.31
of heaven and hell.
00:51:22.34\00:51:24.01
Many people read this
and think, oh, you know, it's
00:51:24.05\00:51:25.88
because Lazarus is
there and Abraham's bosom
00:51:25.91\00:51:28.55
and you know the
rich man is down there
00:51:28.58\00:51:30.99
and Hades burning and torment.
00:51:31.02\00:51:32.35
Well, it's, it's all
about heaven and hell
00:51:32.39\00:51:33.92
and the reality is,
that's not the case.
00:51:33.96\00:51:35.52
Because if you look up
to Luke 16:14, it says,
00:51:35.56\00:51:38.66
"Now the Pharisees
who were lovers of money,
00:51:38.69\00:51:40.86
also heard all
these things and said,
00:51:40.90\00:51:43.16
and they had derided him."
00:51:43.20\00:51:44.67
So Jesus is now going
to tell a few parables,
00:51:44.70\00:51:48.14
one of those being the
parable of the rich man,
00:51:48.17\00:51:49.77
not for the
purpose to communicate
00:51:49.80\00:51:51.31
the realities
of heaven and hell,
00:51:51.34\00:51:52.87
but to actually
tell a similar story
00:51:52.91\00:51:55.14
that they would have
told to their people.
00:51:55.18\00:51:57.21
This was a common parable
that they told in Jesus' day
00:51:57.25\00:52:00.45
that the Pharisees would
tell when they were teaching,
00:52:00.48\00:52:03.42
you know, the Word of the Lord.
00:52:03.45\00:52:04.79
And in this case,
00:52:04.82\00:52:06.15
that the roles
would be switched,
00:52:06.19\00:52:07.52
it was the rich man
00:52:07.56\00:52:08.89
that would be in
heaven all the time,
00:52:08.92\00:52:10.26
and Lazarus, who would
be in burning torments.
00:52:10.29\00:52:11.63
Why?
00:52:11.66\00:52:12.99
Because they
were lovers of money
00:52:13.03\00:52:14.36
and the concept back then,
00:52:14.40\00:52:15.73
and these days was
that if you're rich,
00:52:15.76\00:52:17.10
you're blessed by God,
00:52:17.13\00:52:18.47
and God has put
His favor on you.
00:52:18.50\00:52:19.83
And if you're poor and beggarly,
00:52:19.87\00:52:21.34
and you know, you're
living in the streets,
00:52:21.37\00:52:23.07
and you have
nothing, well, then you know,
00:52:23.10\00:52:24.44
you must be a horrible sinner,
and God is cursing you, right?
00:52:24.47\00:52:27.38
Well, Jesus flipped the script.
00:52:27.41\00:52:29.04
And actually, this
parable, the story,
00:52:29.08\00:52:31.15
the contents of this parable,
00:52:31.18\00:52:32.51
it actually is flooded
00:52:32.55\00:52:33.92
with Hellenistic Greek
philosophy and ideology
00:52:33.95\00:52:38.29
because the concept
would be is that this idea
00:52:38.32\00:52:41.72
of the dualism of
the body and the spirit,
00:52:41.76\00:52:43.86
the concept that, you
know, when a person dies,
00:52:43.89\00:52:46.29
their spirit goes
on somewhere else.
00:52:46.33\00:52:47.83
Jesus did not believe this.
00:52:47.86\00:52:49.30
Jesus obviously
taught in John 11,
00:52:49.33\00:52:51.10
then when a
person dies, they sleep,
00:52:51.13\00:52:52.77
but he's using a
common story of their day
00:52:52.80\00:52:55.20
to try to teach a truth
00:52:55.24\00:52:56.57
and we know that
this is a parable.
00:52:56.60\00:52:57.94
When you get to read
in the details of this,
00:52:57.97\00:52:59.34
it's clear that
it's a parable, right?
00:52:59.37\00:53:01.51
You know, all the Lazarus goes
to the bosom of Abraham, right?
00:53:01.54\00:53:06.05
Abraham being one
of the central figures
00:53:06.08\00:53:08.38
of the Judaistic faith.
00:53:08.42\00:53:09.75
He's using the
language that they can relate to
00:53:09.78\00:53:11.52
because they often would say,
you know, the bosom of Abraham
00:53:11.55\00:53:13.92
because Abraham
was the central figure.
00:53:13.96\00:53:15.82
But the fact that you
know, this is a good one here,
00:53:15.86\00:53:19.43
verse 23, and being in torments,
00:53:19.46\00:53:21.40
talking about the rich man.
00:53:21.43\00:53:22.76
"Being in torments in Hades,
00:53:22.80\00:53:24.13
he lifted up his eyes
and saw Abraham afar off
00:53:24.17\00:53:27.04
and Lazarus in his
bosom and he cried out,
00:53:27.07\00:53:28.60
said, 'Father, Abraham,
00:53:28.64\00:53:29.97
have mercy on
me and send Lazarus
00:53:30.01\00:53:31.34
that he may dip the
tip of his finger in water
00:53:31.37\00:53:33.58
and cool my tongue
00:53:33.61\00:53:34.94
for I'm
tormented in this flame.'"
00:53:34.98\00:53:37.05
I want to challenge
you to do something.
00:53:37.08\00:53:38.81
Again, this is figurative.
00:53:38.85\00:53:40.58
I'm not literally
telling you to do this.
00:53:40.62\00:53:42.05
But you know what, if
you're just not convinced,
00:53:42.08\00:53:44.15
go out and just stick
your hand in an open flame
00:53:44.19\00:53:46.79
and try to hold it there.
00:53:46.82\00:53:48.16
Number one and hold
00:53:48.19\00:53:49.52
an intelligent
conversation with someone
00:53:49.56\00:53:50.89
as they're doing here.
00:53:50.93\00:53:52.26
That obviously is number one.
00:53:52.29\00:53:53.63
That is a parable.
00:53:53.66\00:53:55.00
Number two, just have
them dip a drop of water
00:53:55.03\00:53:56.97
on the tip of your tongue,
00:53:57.00\00:53:58.33
while you stick
that hand in the fire
00:53:58.37\00:53:59.70
and see if it gives
you any kind of relief.
00:53:59.73\00:54:01.77
Obviously, this is
figurative language.
00:54:01.80\00:54:03.81
But it's just my final words
that I want to say about this,
00:54:03.84\00:54:06.11
which is rather interesting
00:54:06.14\00:54:07.48
is that if you get
to the latter parts
00:54:07.51\00:54:08.94
of this parable,
00:54:08.98\00:54:10.31
it says, Abraham said to him,
00:54:10.35\00:54:12.31
they have Moses
and the prophets,
00:54:12.35\00:54:14.42
let them hear them
because he wanted the Abraham
00:54:14.45\00:54:17.72
cause he's seen
Lazarus back from the dead,
00:54:17.75\00:54:19.29
go tell my brothers, my family,
00:54:19.32\00:54:20.92
not to come to
this place of torment,
00:54:20.96\00:54:22.76
send them back from the dead.
00:54:22.79\00:54:24.26
And he said, "No, no, no,
00:54:24.29\00:54:25.63
they got Moses
and the prophets."
00:54:25.66\00:54:27.00
In other words, they
have the Word of the Lord
00:54:27.03\00:54:28.36
that they need to trust.
00:54:28.40\00:54:29.73
But notice his response.
00:54:29.76\00:54:31.10
It's verse 30, it
says, "And he said,
00:54:31.13\00:54:32.47
'No, father Abraham,
00:54:32.50\00:54:33.84
but if one goes to
them from the dead,
00:54:33.87\00:54:35.70
they will repent.'"
00:54:35.74\00:54:37.07
And then he said
to them in verse 31,
00:54:37.11\00:54:39.17
"If they do not hear
Moses and the prophets,
00:54:39.21\00:54:40.91
neither will they be persuaded
the one rise from the dead."
00:54:40.94\00:54:44.35
And it's
interesting because one actually
00:54:44.38\00:54:46.65
literally did
rise from the dead,
00:54:46.68\00:54:48.12
his name was Lazarus,
00:54:48.15\00:54:49.65
and they still did not
believe in Christ as Messiah.
00:54:49.68\00:54:52.49
In fact, the Bible
says in John 11 and 12
00:54:52.52\00:54:54.76
that they went and plotted
to kill both him and Jesus.
00:54:54.79\00:54:57.26
So this is a parable.
00:54:57.29\00:54:58.63
Jesus is not
teaching about heaven or hell,
00:54:58.66\00:55:00.16
but rather, the fact that
we need to love our brother,
00:55:00.20\00:55:02.66
we need to treat each other
00:55:02.70\00:55:04.03
that there are not different
social classes that Christ
00:55:04.07\00:55:05.97
considers that, obviously,
00:55:06.00\00:55:07.97
we need to have a
relationship with Him,
00:55:08.00\00:55:09.70
and it's not based on riches.
00:55:09.74\00:55:11.71
Amen. Thank you.
00:55:11.74\00:55:13.14
Pastor Johnny, we
don't have time probably
00:55:13.17\00:55:15.01
for a full two minutes.
00:55:15.04\00:55:16.38
We're actually two minutes
00:55:16.41\00:55:17.75
to the end of the program.
00:55:17.78\00:55:19.11
But see if we can
get a short answer.
00:55:19.15\00:55:20.48
This is from Melbourne, Florida.
00:55:20.52\00:55:22.08
"I follow the space travel
that man has been developing.
00:55:22.12\00:55:25.32
Jesus is coming
to destroy the earth
00:55:25.35\00:55:27.26
at His Second Coming.
00:55:27.29\00:55:28.62
Man is trying to go live on
another planet, namely Mars,
00:55:28.66\00:55:31.76
if people are on
Mars, and Jesus comes,
00:55:31.79\00:55:33.90
what about those people?
00:55:33.93\00:55:35.46
And the moon, will
that be destroyed too,
00:55:35.50\00:55:37.40
since sinful
man has gone there?"
00:55:37.43\00:55:40.30
Well, that's a good question.
00:55:40.34\00:55:42.37
Many good questions
have come in, by the way,
00:55:42.40\00:55:44.44
I congratulate every one of
you that are looking for answers
00:55:44.47\00:55:47.21
and studying God's Word.
00:55:47.24\00:55:48.58
We appreciate the opportunity
to answer your questions
00:55:48.61\00:55:50.98
or at least get you started.
00:55:51.01\00:55:53.28
The Bible does not say
00:55:53.31\00:55:55.12
what will happen
to the moon and Mars.
00:55:55.15\00:55:59.92
So we don't have a
scripture to tell you that.
00:55:59.95\00:56:01.66
We do have a
scripture that will tell you
00:56:01.69\00:56:03.36
about the earth.
00:56:03.39\00:56:04.73
And that's in 2 Peter 3:10-11,
00:56:04.76\00:56:08.60
and it says here,
00:56:08.63\00:56:10.87
"But the day of the Lord
00:56:10.90\00:56:12.23
will come as a
thief in the night
00:56:12.27\00:56:13.60
in which the
heavens will pass away
00:56:13.64\00:56:15.24
with a great
noise and the elements
00:56:15.27\00:56:16.94
will melt with fervent heat.
00:56:16.97\00:56:18.31
Both the earth and
the works that are in it
00:56:18.34\00:56:20.78
will be burned up."
00:56:20.81\00:56:22.34
So we don't have one
00:56:22.38\00:56:23.71
that specifically
says moon and Mars.
00:56:23.75\00:56:26.01
But if the Lord sees it
necessary, He will do so.
00:56:26.05\00:56:30.42
And so that's the answer I
can give you in a short time.
00:56:30.45\00:56:34.12
Very good.
00:56:34.16\00:56:35.49
Thank you so much,
Pastor Johnny, Sister Shelley,
00:56:35.52\00:56:38.09
Pastor James and Pastor Ryan,
00:56:38.13\00:56:39.59
for your knowledge
of the Word of God.
00:56:39.63\00:56:41.00
Thank you for your
heart for Bible study.
00:56:41.03\00:56:43.20
I love that. You
all are Bible students.
00:56:43.23\00:56:45.37
And we're so glad
that you have joined us,
00:56:45.40\00:56:47.00
want to remind you
that our 3ABN Today
00:56:47.04\00:56:50.31
Bible Q and A
program is just like this.
00:56:50.34\00:56:52.74
We take your
questions every Monday.
00:56:52.77\00:56:56.01
So feel free the number
you've been texting today,
00:56:56.04\00:56:58.41
you can text that number anytime
00:56:58.45\00:57:00.62
and we will get
to your questions,
00:57:00.65\00:57:02.58
your Bible questions
on a subsequent program.
00:57:02.62\00:57:05.55
The end of this
program is just ahead of us.
00:57:05.59\00:57:08.42
But I want to remind
you that divine worship hour
00:57:08.46\00:57:11.03
with Dr. Ben Carson
00:57:11.06\00:57:12.69
will be directly
following this program.
00:57:12.73\00:57:15.23
So don't go anywhere.
00:57:15.26\00:57:16.60
Just grab a drink of water
00:57:16.63\00:57:17.97
and settle back in your recliner
00:57:18.00\00:57:19.33
or if you're driving in the car,
00:57:19.37\00:57:20.70
listen on the radio,
00:57:20.74\00:57:22.07
because it's important that
we continue connecting with you
00:57:22.10\00:57:25.07
on this blessed Sabbath day.
00:57:25.11\00:57:27.11