The Holy Bible says
that the Lord spoke to you
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out of the midst of the fire.
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And you heard
the voice of words,
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but you saw no form,
you only heard a voice.
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And He declared
to you His covenant,
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which He
commanded you to perform,
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even Ten Commandments,
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and He wrote them
on two tables of stone.
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What exactly are
the Ten Commandments?
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When we're done
with the next program,
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you will know
exactly what they are.
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So join us.
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Welcome back to part
11 of a 13-part series
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dealing with
Islamic Christian issues.
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Today we're going to
talk about God's requirements,
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what those requirements are,
how they relate to us today,
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and what do we do
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when we realize that
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we haven't kept
those requirements?
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Shahbaz, thank you
again for being here.
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Why don't you start out
by just clarifying for us,
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what the average Muslim
thinks about obeying God?
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And surely they do believe
in the importance of that?
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What does that mean to them?
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What does it mean
to obey God today?
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Muslims strongly
believe in obeying
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the requirements of Allah,
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and to follow
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whatever He has told them to do.
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And within the Islamic context,
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we have the five
pillars of Islam,
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which are really designed
to guide the individual's life.
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And those
pillars deal with faith,
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for instance, the Shahada
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that deals with
the faith of a Muslim.
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And the pillars
go like the Shahada,
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we have Salat, which is prayer.
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And then they have
Zakat, which is charity,
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that's supporting the poor
or giving money to the mosque.
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And then there's Sawm
which deals with fasting
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the month of Ramadan,
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which every year, once a year,
they do that for one month.
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And that's October.
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Yes, it's not, it's actually
closer to the summer months,
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and then and then
they have the Hajj,
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which is the
pilgrimage, going to Makkah.
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And they do that once
during their lifetime.
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At least once
during their lifetime.
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Every Muslim is
required to do it,
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if they can afford it.
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If they cannot afford it,
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they are poor, they are excused.
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But if they can,
if they have money,
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there is no excuse if
they don't go on the Hajj.
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And the other aspect
of law is the Sharia law,
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which controls,
and has jurisdiction
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over every aspect
of the Muslim's life.
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It deals with the mosque,
it deals with the government,
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it deals with social
life, it deals with everything.
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And when a thief
steals, and they cut their hand,
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that's part of the Sharia law,
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or when someone's
caught in adultery,
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and they're
beheaded in Saudi Arabia,
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or stoned in Iran,
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it has to do
with the Sharia law.
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And
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so Sharia law is based
on the Quran and the Hadith,
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is that correct?
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Yes, absolutely, the
Quran and the Hadith.
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And the Hadith
basically are the sayings.
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Basically, it's written
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by religious clerics.
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Could be very old,
as old as Islam itself.
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But these writings
are supposed to guide
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the people into understanding
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how the Prophet lived his life,
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so that they can copy him
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and live like the Prophet lived.
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And when it comes to
the Ten Commandments,
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I'm curious, do
most Muslims think about
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the Ten Commandments?
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Obviously,
they've heard about them,
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do they know what they are?
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They do not know what they are.
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They do think about it,
they have heard about them,
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but they do not
know what they are.
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And that's something that
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is not even required of
them really, necessarily,
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to know exactly what they are.
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Now, you've said
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before that in Islam,
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they don't see the Bible,
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as you know, as all of it
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as being relevant for us today
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are being correct,
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but they do believe
in the first five books.
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The first five books of Moses,
of all the books in the Bible,
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they would see that
as being the highest,
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is that right?
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A large number
of Muslims respect
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the writings of Moses,
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and they consider
them as still to be pure
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and not have been corrupted.
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Okay.
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Well, let's look
at the book of...
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The books of Moses, or
at least the second book.
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We have the first
book, which is Genesis,
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then there's Exodus, and
then Numbers or Leviticus,
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and then Numbers
and then Deuteronomy,
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first five books of the Bible.
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And it's in Exodus Chapter 20,
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that we have the
Ten Commandments,
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which, you know, really,
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is the primary biblical law
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all throughout the whole book.
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You know, the Ten
Commandments were unique,
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they stand apart
from any other law,
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because they were spoken,
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and then written with
the finger of God Himself
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on two tablets of stone.
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And, you know,
I've been impressed
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with Chapter 19,
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describing the circumstances
of the giving of the law,
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when Israel came out of Egypt,
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they gathered together
at the foot of the mountain.
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And in verse 16, Exodus 19:16,
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"It came to
pass on the third day
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in the morning,
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that there were
thunders and lightnings.
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And there was a
thick cloud on the mount
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and the voice of the
trumpet exceeding loud,
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so that all the people
that were in the camp trembled.
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And Moses brought forth
the people out of the camp
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to meet with God,
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and they stood
at the southern part
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of the mountain."
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Verse 18, "And Mount Sinai
was all together on a smoke,
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because the Lord
descended upon it in fire,
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and the smoke thereof was
as the smoke of a furnace,
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and the whole
mountain quaked greatly."
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So what a scene. Amen.
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You know, there's
all these people there
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at the foot of the mountain,
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the lower part of the mountain,
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and then they
look up and they see,
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you know, this cloud, this fire,
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they hear this trumpet sound,
and people are just terrified.
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Yeah.
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I don't think, you know,
there's never been a time
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in history
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when God, the God of
creation has revealed Himself
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with such fireworks...
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Amen.
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As He did on this
mountain, on Mount Sinai.
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And the reason
why He did this was
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because He was about to give
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the people the Ten Commandments.
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That's right.
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So why don't we just
briefly go through these,
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as you mentioned, most Muslims,
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you know, don't
really think about them.
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And it's not just Muslims.
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It's, you know,
the average person.
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People haven't heard
about the Ten Commandments,
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they probably, you
know, maybe watch the movie,
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The Ten Commandments
with Charlton Heston
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coming down off the mountain,
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and his hair was
white, and his beard was white
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because he'd encountered God,
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but actually knowing
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what those Ten Commandments are,
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most people have no clue.
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So why don't we
just go through them?
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Why don't you just lead out
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and just starting
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and just kind of quickly,
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you know, let's
just go through them.
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Okay.
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Verse 1 and 2 is
the first commandment.
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It says, "And God
spake all these words,
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saying, I am the Lord thy God,
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which have brought thee
out of the land of Egypt,
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out of the house of bondage."
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And verse 3 as well,
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"Thou shalt have no
other gods before me."
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That's the first
commandment. Okay.
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So what's the
essence of this commandment?
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The essence is that
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I'm the only
God in the universe,
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you will have no
other gods before me.
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You're not to make
anything to be a god before Me.
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He's number
one. He's number one.
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And He's a powerful God,
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because He's the one
that plagued the Egyptians,
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parted the Red Sea,
brought the Israelites out,
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revealed Himself in a fiery way,
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and in a loving way,
because He delivered them.
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You know, and it's
also significant that
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the final straw to
get them out of Egypt
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was the Passover,
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where they were told to
take the blood of a lamb
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and put it around their doors,
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so that when the angel of death
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in the 10th
plague passed through,
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he would pass over their homes,
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because of the blood.
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Amen.
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And we can talk more
about that before we're done.
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That's right.
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And God established His divinity
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before He gave them
the Ten Commandments
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through the miracles
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and through the
wonders He performed in Egypt.
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He showed them that He is God.
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He showed them His
power and He delivered them
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and then He gave them His law.
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So keeping the law
springs from an appreciation
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of being delivered
and of being delivered.
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Amen.
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Okay, so first
commandment, God is first.
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Now second commandment?
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Second commandment
deals with more detailed.
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It's similar to
the first commandment
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where He says,
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"Thou shalt not make
unto thee any graven images,
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or any likeness of any
thing that is in heaven
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above or that is
in the earth beneath
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or that is in the
water under the earth.
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Thou shall not bow
down thyself to them,
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nor serve them:
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for I the Lord thy
God, am a jealous God,
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visiting the
iniquity of the fathers
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upon the children unto the third
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and the fourth
generation of them that hate Me,
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and showing mercy
unto thousands of them
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that love Me and
keep My commandments."
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You know, Islam is very
strong on this one, right?
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Yes.
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Mohammed got rid
of the idols in Mecca.
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That's right.
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And idolatry
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is strongly
frowned upon in Islam.
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That's right.
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Okay, no idols. No idols.
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And the third commandment deals
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with holding
God's name in respect.
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"Thou shalt not take the name
of the Lord thy God in vain,
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for the Lord will
not hold him guiltless
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that taketh His name in vain."
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So when we speak of God,
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we should speak
of Him reverently
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and respectfully,
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and not just use
His name as a swear word
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or just in a trivial way.
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That's right.
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But when the words about
God come out of your mouth,
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they should be with reverence.
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That's right.
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And so far, all
these verses that we read,
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these three commandments deal
with our relationship to God.
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Okay.
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And the fourth one
is, likewise, and it says,
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"Remember the
Sabbath day to keep it holy.
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Six days shalt thou
labor, and do all thy work.
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But the seventh day is a Sabbath
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of the Lord thy God:
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in it thou shalt
do not do any work,
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thou, nor thy
son, nor thy daughter,
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thy manservant,
nor thy maidservant,
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nor thy cattle,
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nor the stranger
that is within thy gates.
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For in six days the
Lord made heaven and earth,
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the sea, and
all that is in them,
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and rested the seventh day:
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wherefore the Lord
blessed the Sabbath day
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and hallowed it."
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Okay, so the seventh
day is God's Sabbath.
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And that goes back
to creation, right?
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That's right.
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Goes back to the
original creation week
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in Genesis Chapter 1 and 2,
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where the Lord God
made the world in six days,
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and rested on the seventh day.
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And so He says, "Remember
that, don't forget that."
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That's right.
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That day, and we'll
talk more about that later.
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Now let's go on to
the fifth commandment.
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And fifth commandment,
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from here deals
with our relationship
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with each other, human to human.
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And it says, "Honor
thy father and thy mother:
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that thy days may
be long upon the land
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which the Lord
thy God giveth thee."
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And with Islam I understand,
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you know, there's
a strong family unit.
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That's correct.
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And in a definite, you
know, respect for one's parents.
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Parents must be respected.
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And it's interesting
that this commandment
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is very gender specific,
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you know, these days there's
a lot of gender confusion.
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Yes.
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But the fifth commandment
is your father and your mother.
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That's correct.
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It's not talking about having
two fathers or two mothers,
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but it's the traditional family.
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And God made man.
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He knows best.
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That's the way He laid it down.
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That's right. Okay, number six.
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Number six, simple,
"Thou shalt not kill."
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Okay, let's talk about this.
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This is a big one.
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Now, here God is dealing with,
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you know, first it's
our relationship with Him,
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and then it's this way,
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our relationship with others.
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And you shall not kill.
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You know, the obvious
meaning of this has to do with,
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you know, taking
somebody's life, right?
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Murder.
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I think some
translations say murder.
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That's right.
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But there's a deeper
meaning to this, isn't there?
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Yes.
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You know, God doesn't
want us not just to kill
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because we are not
supposed to kill someone
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or we shouldn't
be killing ourselves.
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Suicide is not
permitted in the Word of God.
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It's murder.
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And killing
ourselves through practices,
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unhealthy
practices, you know, smoking,
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drinking,
eating unhealthy foods,
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and that shortens our life,
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God will hold us accountable
for all these things.
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So it's not just me
murdering someone else,
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but it's me
murdering me by the way I live?
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That's right. Yeah. Okay.
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Now, in the New Testament,
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Jesus also
shined a light on this
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and talked about murder
and applied it to the heart,
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to hating people.
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And in 1 John,
it also talks about
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"He who hates his brother
in his heart is a murderer."
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Is a murderer.
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So murder is not just,
you know, killing somebody,
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but it's also killing ourselves
and hating other people.
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That's correct.
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This is a deep
commandment, actually.
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Absolutely.
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Now, you know,
in the last program,
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we talked about jihad,
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and about suicide
bombers and terrorists,
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and those that got
into hijacked planes
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and flew them
into the Twin Towers.
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And from what I've learned,
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and correct me if I'm wrong,
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in Islam, at least for some,
or for a percentage of them,
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they feel like if
they can kill themselves
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as martyrs in the war of God,
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that then they're
guaranteed heaven.
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Yes. Is that right?
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That's correct.
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Automatic ticket to heaven.
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And what is the reward?
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That they will get
70 houris or 70 virgins
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that they will for all eternity.
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But the Bible says
you're not to kill yourself.
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Murder, even for God,
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killing yourself
is not permissible.
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God has never asked anyone
to kill themselves for Him
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in the entire Old
and New Testament.
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Now if somebody is martyred
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because they
were following Christ
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and they were killed for Him,
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they didn't kill themselves...
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They're persecuted...
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They were persecuted
and then they were killed.
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For being followers of God. Yes.
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That's different.
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And even then, they're
not going to get 70 virgins.
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Yeah.
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That to me just,
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you know, it's
rather outrageous to think
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that if I kill other people,
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and then kill myself
in the act of doing this,
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then I'm, you know,
earning my way to heaven,
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I get a ticket to
heaven, and I'll be rewarded
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with all these
women on the other side.
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You know, I think, you
know, that whole mindset
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needs to run right
into this commandment,
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where God says,
"You shall not kill."
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So you know,
killing other people
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in that way
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is not a ticket to heaven,
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but it's a big mistake.
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And it's a
violation of the law of God
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that He gave on Mount Sinai,
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in thunder, and cloud and fire,
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and wrote with His own finger.
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Now, let's look at the next one.
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Number seven.
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Number seven, "Thou
shalt not commit adultery."
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Okay, explain.
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Well, you know,
adultery here is speaking about
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a man being
unfaithful to his wife
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or a woman being
unfaithful to her husband,
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or having
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physical sexual contact
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with someone
outside of the marriage
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is also covered here.
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But Jesus Christ
in Matthew Chapter 5
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made it even more
meaningful when He said,
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"I tell you, you had heard
in the past that they said,
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"Thou shalt not commit adultery.
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But I tell you, if
you look upon a woman
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to lust after her,
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you have already
committed adultery
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with her in your heart."
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And this is something that
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this principle
doesn't exist in Islam.
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Adultery is just
a physical action.
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But Christ said that
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you can commit
adultery in your mind.
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And so Christ has
put this commandment,
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His jurisdiction goes far beyond
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just the physical act.
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And it has jurisdiction
over our mind as well.
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And isn't it true that
in the history of Islam,
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there's been a lot
of, you know, conquests
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where women have been taken,
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and sexual
activities have gone on,
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which really
would be a violation
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of this commandment.
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That's correct.
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Do not commit adultery,
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don't take somebody's
wife that's not your wife,
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be faithful to your spouse.
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And then even deeper than that,
don't even look as Jesus said,
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"Don't even look
lustfully upon a woman
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or you've committed
adultery in your heart."
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The wives are of
the enemies of Islam,
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or the
unbelievers or the idolaters.
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Their wives are the properties
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of whenever they take
over an area like that,
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the women of that area
are the properties of the men,
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they're part of their gift,
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and they're legal to them.
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The booty? Yes, they can...
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So even this
notion that in heaven
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they will have 70 virgins,
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that's breaking
that commandment as well.
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It's impure. That's correct.
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You know, so the suicide bombers
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are violating
the sixth commandment
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about murder, and conquest
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and taking other men's wives.
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And that kind of, you know,
sexual immorality is violating
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the seventh commandment.
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That's correct.
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That's right.
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Okay, now, number eight.
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Number eight,
"Thou shalt not steal."
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And very simple, very easy.
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Pretty obvious. Obvious.
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Yeah, don't take
what's not yours.
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That's correct.
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Somebody once stole my car.
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Long time ago, I
walked out of my house
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and my car wasn't there.
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And I just was shocked.
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Felt violated. Yeah.
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So, you know, protect,
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you know, stick
with your own property.
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Don't take
somebody else's property.
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Amen. Okay, number nine.
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Number nine, "Thou
shalt not bear false witness
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against thy neighbor."
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Basically don't bear
false witness, don't lie.
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And there is no
excuse for white lies either.
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I mean, there's no...
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If my life is in danger,
that doesn't give me an excuse,
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I can lie and in
order to protect myself.
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Isn't lying justified?
00:20:09.54\00:20:10.94
I mean, in some circles,
00:20:10.97\00:20:12.97
you know, 'The end
justifies the means, ' principle
00:20:13.01\00:20:14.98
that it's okay to lie
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if you're doing it for God?
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In fact, in the
Muslim tradition,
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there is grounds
00:20:24.82\00:20:26.29
for lying in
order to save your life
00:20:26.32\00:20:29.49
and or promote
the cause of Islam.
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And this
happens quite regularly,
00:20:32.73\00:20:36.03
but the Bible is very clear,
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"Thou shalt not lie."
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"Thou shalt not
bear false witness
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against somebody."
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When you look at
Jesus' life, He never lied.
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No.
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It says, you know, one
of His regular phrases was,
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"I tell you the
truth, I tell you the truth,
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I tell you the truth,"
00:20:51.75\00:20:53.08
and Jesus did something
that no other religious teacher
00:20:53.11\00:20:56.02
has ever done.
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He said, "Which one of
you convinces me of sin?"
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You know, there
was no sin in Him.
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There was nothing
that He did that was wrong.
00:21:02.99\00:21:05.66
And even Pontius Pilate
when he finally questioned Him
00:21:05.69\00:21:09.03
before he turned
Him over to the mob,
00:21:09.06\00:21:10.93
he walked out and he said,
00:21:10.97\00:21:12.30
"I find no fault
with this man at all."
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Amen.
00:21:15.10\00:21:16.44
You know, he
washed his hands off
00:21:16.47\00:21:17.81
the whole thing
00:21:17.84\00:21:19.17
'cause he knew
Jesus was an innocent,
00:21:19.21\00:21:20.71
faultless man.
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Amen.
00:21:22.11\00:21:23.45
And Jesus kept all
these commandments.
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He said, "I've kept My
Father's commandments."
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Amen. Okay, number 10.
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Number 10, "Thou shalt not
covet thy neighbor's house,
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thou shalt not
covet thy neighbor's wife,
00:21:32.22\00:21:35.92
nor his manservant,
nor his maidservant,
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nor his ox, nor his ass,
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nor anything that
is thy neighbor's."
00:21:41.56\00:21:44.60
So covetousness
is more than just,
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you know, we're
not just talking about
00:21:48.27\00:21:49.74
physical actions.
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Now we're
talking about the heart.
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That's correct. You
covet in your heart.
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You want
something that somebody else
00:21:54.88\00:21:56.98
has in your heart.
00:21:57.01\00:21:59.31
So the Ten
Commandments really go deeper
00:21:59.35\00:22:01.98
than just physical actions.
00:22:02.02\00:22:04.09
They go to the mind,
they go to the heart,
00:22:04.12\00:22:05.69
they go to the
soul, and like Jesus said,
00:22:05.72\00:22:07.59
"Looking lustfully is adultery."
00:22:07.62\00:22:09.66
And 1 John, it says that
00:22:09.69\00:22:12.09
"Hitting your
brother is murder."
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And so this shows us,
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you know, that
the Ten Commandments
00:22:15.70\00:22:18.00
go deep into the human heart,
00:22:18.03\00:22:20.67
and they appeal to
the human conscience,
00:22:20.70\00:22:23.10
you know, the conscience
that God gave us, tells us
00:22:23.14\00:22:26.84
that we should put Him first,
00:22:26.88\00:22:28.21
we shouldn't have any idols,
00:22:28.24\00:22:29.58
we should respect His name,
00:22:29.61\00:22:31.68
we should honor our parents,
00:22:31.71\00:22:33.05
don't murder,
don't commit adultery,
00:22:33.08\00:22:34.85
don't steal,
don't lie, don't covet.
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You know, these
are basic principles
00:22:37.15\00:22:38.62
that appeal to
the human conscience.
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That's right.
00:22:41.76\00:22:43.09
Now, then, when you
look at the rest of it,
00:22:43.12\00:22:44.59
or right after that,
verses 18 to 20, says
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"All the people
saw the thunderings,
00:22:48.53\00:22:50.40
and the lightnings,
00:22:50.43\00:22:51.77
and the noise of the
trumpet and the mountain smoking
00:22:51.80\00:22:53.64
and when the people saw it,
00:22:53.67\00:22:55.00
they removed and stood afar off.
00:22:55.04\00:22:56.67
And they said to Moses, speak,
00:22:56.71\00:22:58.64
you speak with
us, and we will hear,
00:22:58.67\00:23:00.68
but let not God
speak with us lest we die."
00:23:00.71\00:23:02.98
They were so
overwhelmed by the voice of God
00:23:03.01\00:23:04.88
and all the fireworks.
00:23:04.91\00:23:07.02
And then verse 20, said,
"Moses said to the people,
00:23:07.05\00:23:09.62
fear not for God
has come to prove you,
00:23:09.65\00:23:12.92
or test you."
00:23:12.95\00:23:14.96
I think some Bible say
00:23:14.99\00:23:16.52
that "His fear may
be before your faces
00:23:16.56\00:23:19.23
or His reverence and respect,
00:23:19.26\00:23:21.73
that you sin not."
00:23:21.76\00:23:23.43
Amen.
00:23:23.47\00:23:25.40
He says that you sin not.
00:23:29.10\00:23:32.04
Is there a
concept of sin in Islam?
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I would imagine that word
sin, do they talk about sin?
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There is.
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But it's not based
on the Ten Commandments.
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You know, in the Bible, we say,
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a sin is a
transgression of the law.
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But in Islam, they
don't have that view.
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A clear view. No.
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But Moses, whom Muslims respect,
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is saying that God
gave us the Ten Commandments
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so that we won't sin.
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That's right.
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And that tells us
that sin, by definition,
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is going against
these commandments.
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It's a sin to have
other gods before God,
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it's a sin to have idols,
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it's a sin to
take His name in vain,
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it's a sin not
to keep the Sabbath,
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it's a sin not to honor
and respect our parents,
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to murder or hate,
or commit adultery,
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or have sexual immorality,
or steal, or lie, or covet.
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These are all sins in the Bible.
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And then we know that
both the Old Testament
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and the teachings of Jesus
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show that the
summary of the law is love
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that the first four commandments
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have to do with love to
God with all your heart,
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soul, mind and strength.
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And the last six have to do
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with loving your
neighbor as yourself.
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That's right.
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So God's law is a law of love.
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And if everybody kept this law,
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you know, there'd be no prisons,
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there'd be no jails,
there'd be no suicide bombers,
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it would be a
wonderful place this world.
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That's right.
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In fact, just
backtracking just a few seconds
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about the sixth commandment,
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"Thou shalt not kill."
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I just want to emphasize that
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in the Bible also
gives us the health message.
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Tells us that what
animals we can eat,
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what animals we cannot eat in...
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Leviticus 11. Yeah.
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And in Islam, yeah, in
Leviticus 11 and in Islam,
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clearly, the only
animal that you're forbidden
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from eating is
the swine or the pig.
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And almost everything
that comes out of the sea,
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most Muslim eat.
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Shia Muslims will not eat fish
that doesn't have scale on it,
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but they will eat
shrimps or they will eat clams.
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And then in the Sunni Muslims
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and amongst the other groups,
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many other things they eat.
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So when we eat
these kind of things,
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we're actually
breaking that commandment
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because we are hurting
our body by eating things
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that are not clean.
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And that's all in Leviticus 11.
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So, Leviticus 11, Exodus 20,
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these reveal God's requirements,
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His Ten Commandment law.
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That's right.
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And you know, when Moses said,
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"God is giving this to you...
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So that you don't sin."
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When we realize
that we've sinned,
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that then brings up the need
that we need to be forgiven.
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And we need a Savior
because we've all sinned.
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And that's where the whole
sacrificial system comes in.
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That's right.
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And that's where
Isaiah 53 comes in,
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that says, "He was," verse 5,
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"He was wounded
for our transgressions,
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He was bruised
for our iniquities,
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the chastisement of
our peace was upon Him
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and with His
stripes we are healed.
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And all we like
sheep have gone astray,
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we have turned
everyone to his own way.
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And the Lord has laid on Him
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the iniquity or
the sin of us all."
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Amen.
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And that's where the
sacrifice of Jesus comes in,
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is that we've all
broken these commandments,
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if you're really honest,
if you look at your heart.
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You know, we've all
failed in so many, many ways.
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And that's why we need a Savior.
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We all need a Savior.
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And the word gospel
means the good news.
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It's the good
news for all of us.
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It's good news for Muslims.
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It's good news for non Muslims.
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It's good news for everybody,
that somebody paid the price.
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Somebody took those sins
upon His mind and in His heart,
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and He suffered and He died.
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And we can be forgiven,
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we can be set free
through His forgiveness,
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and His grace, and
His transforming love.
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