Welcome back.
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My guest is Pastor Wayne Krause
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who is the director of
the Center for Church Planting
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for the South Pacific region of
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the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.
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He's also a church
pastor, a church planter
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and interestingly
enough, my brother.
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Welcome, Wayne.
It's good to be here.
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Church planting
starting new congregations,
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why is that important?
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I think church
planting is important
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because it's afantastic
way to make disciples.
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We don't plant
churches to plant churches.
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We plant churches
to make disciples.
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So church planting is I think
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the most effective
way of making disciples.
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Now you were working
within a Western context in a--
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mainly in Australia, New Zealand
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and also some in
the South Pacific.
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But these are
mainly secular context.
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How do you go about starting
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the new congregation
in that sort of society?
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It is a real challenge.
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And we're very grateful
that we have the Holy Spirit
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because the real challenge
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is talking to people who
have really no interest in God,
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they don't see Him
on the radar screen,
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they don't think of Him
when they reach a crisis.
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And predominantly, they
see themselves as happy.
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So happy pagans
if you like. Right.
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So you really have to spend
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a lot of time
building relationships,
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intentional, authentic,
long term relationships
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and that can be a
challenge for some people.
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You know, what are
some of the dangers,
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some of the
pitfalls you can fall into
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when you are
working with the community?
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Pitfalls, I think
one of the challenges
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we've discovered is sometimes
you can go into a community
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and work for them.
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Yes.
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Okay, so you go in
and you do a survey
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about their
needs or you see a need
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and you just go in there
and try and meet that need.
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What we found is
much more effective
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is actually with the
community, not for them.
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So you work alongside
people in the community
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to work with the community.
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In actual fact then,
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the people you
are most effective
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in reaching is often the
people you are working with.
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Yeah. Not working for.
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So you involve
people have an interest
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in what you are doing?
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Yeah, so we, for example,
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have been
running a breakfast club
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at the local elementary school,
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public school, and we
found that the children,
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even though they
are hungry wouldn't come
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because they
thought-- saw themselves as poor
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and they didn't want anyone else
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to see themselves as poor.
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Right.
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So as soon as we got
teachers involved on our team,
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the parents
involved on the team,
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the children
themselves involved in the team
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and it became a social event.
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It became a lot more effective.
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The kids who are
hungry would come up
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because the
popular kids were there.
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So they would turn up.
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Now we have people
coming to our church
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from the school.
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We have teachers coming
and those from the community
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as a result of them
feeling that our church
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was part of their community,
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not just doing
things for the community.
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Right, so nobody wants
to feel like a charity case.
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That's right.
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In actual fact, you
can make people feel
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less of themselves.
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When a child sees their
dad receiving a food parcel
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because he can't work
or something like that,
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it can actually demean the
father in the child's eyes.
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But if you get
the father involved
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in helping other
people with food,
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then it could
actually lift the whole--
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the whole
process with the children
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and the parents.
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Now this breakfast club
for the local public school,
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it won confidence
with the community.
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Tell me about that. Yes.
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It won so much
confidence in the community
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that the community said
they would like our church
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to provide a
chaplain for the school.
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And they said, if
it's any other church,
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we don't want it.
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But they asked the parents,
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they asked the teachers and
they said yes from that church,
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Adventist church we
wanted, no where else.
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Wonderful.
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Now tell me about the procedure
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you went through
where you actually
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went to the police station
to ask how can we be of service.
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Well, in actual
fact, the police chief
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knew one of our church members
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who was in charge of the
rescue squad for the region.
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And they were talking
and the police chief said,
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"Could your church
please do a ministry
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at the local railway station
where the teenagers come,
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Friday and Saturday
nights are real problem for us?"
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And we said, "Well,
there's other big organizations
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that you could do this."
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And they said, "No, we know you,
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we'd rather your church do it."
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So we are looking
at that in the future
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of our ministry
we could be doing.
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So how important is Christ
method of ministry for you?
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The issue of
mingling, the issue of seeing
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the good in other people
and wanting the best for them,
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not seeing them as
a project or a target
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but as friends, is a huge thing.
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And once you build
those relationships,
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then you can have
the other conversations
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about their eternity and
their love for Jesus Christ.
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So win the confidence
before you do the biding?
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That's right.
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So how-- you as a
pastor have a vision for,
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you know, you started church,
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this is what you
wanted to look like,
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how do you
involve church members?
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Well, one of the challenges
that the established church
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has is a lot of church members
see themselves as recipients
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of what the
professional clergy do
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or what the
church does for them.
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So the churches
there to serve me.
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The church is there to serve me.
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So we can actually
talk about the fact of
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I didn't like today's
sermon, thinking it's about me.
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Right.
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But if you have the
attitude of we exist
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for those aren't here yet,
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and you design
your church around that
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where every member sees
themselves as a minister,
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wherever they go
throughout the world,
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there a minister,
if they go to school,
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they are minister, at
their home they are minister,
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then you see a big change.
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Wonderful.
That's the way we do it.
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So how is church planting going
in the South Pacific region?
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It's a challenge,
in the olive fields,
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a lot more successfully
amongst the immigrants
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and ethnic groups,
a lot more stronger.
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We are
challenged with the idea of
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the
Anglo-Caucasian church planting.
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But that's still
happening. It's still happening.
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We're still trying. Wonderful.
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Wayne, thank you so much
for sharing with us today
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the challenges but
also the good things
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that are happening
in the South Pacific.
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Thank you.
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Church planting is the lifeblood
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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But being a church planter
can sometimes a bit lonely,
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sometimes it can
be even discouraging.
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So it's very encouraging to know
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that there are
people praying for them.
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So please continue to remember,
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church planters and
church planting in your prayers.
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Next up, we
travel to Southern Africa
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to see your
mission offerings at work
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with the 13th
Sabbath offering project.
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"Be still and
know that I am God.
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I'll be exalted
among the heathen,
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I will be exalted in the earth.
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The Lord of hosts is with us.
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The God of Jacob is our refuge."
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Before I was an Adventist,
before I was baptized,
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I usually came home
late and I just wanted,
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you know, every
time I wanted to play
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just that rather
than going to school
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on Wednesdays, on
Sabbaths, I'll just go and play.
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Now ever since
that I'm an Adventist
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I know I can
separate right form wrong.
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"There is a river,
the streams whereof
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shall make glad the city of God,
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the holy place
of the tabernacles
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of the most High."
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Bhatisani lives in
the country of Botswana.
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Before, he didn't
take life seriously
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and used to get
himself into trouble.
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He became a
Seventh-day Adventist
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because a friend invited
him to come to church with him.
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It didn't take
long for Bhatisani
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to believe in
Jesus and read the Bible
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every chance he could.
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Now he's even a
deacon at his local church.
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But he faces challenges
that is, public school.
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The teachers expect him
to attend school on Saturdays
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for classes and exams.
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Bhatisani knows
he needs an education
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but feels a
conflict in his heart.
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Yes, I feel sad because
this is against our choice
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and that's not what Jesus wants.
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Jesus said, "We
should remember the Sabbath
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and keep it holy."
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Bhatisani's
family are not Adventists
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but they are very
supportive of his decisions.
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They want him to
study hard so that one day
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he can get a good job.
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Every day after school
they help him with his homework.
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His family knows
that he dreams of the day
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an Adventist primary
school opens near them.
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That would be better
because I would be now in--
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I'll be receiving
an Adventist education.
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That means that
I'll be able to attend--
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on Sabbath I'll be
able to go to church
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and do out good one's than
rather than going to school.
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There are many
Adventist children in Botswana
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who faced the
same Sabbath challenges
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that Bhatisani faces.
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This quarter, a portion of
your 13th Sabbath offering,
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will go toward building a
primary school in Botswana.
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So that children like
Bhatisani can go to school
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without worry of
compromising their faith.
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Thank you for your support
of mission projects like these.
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I'm proud of my
church because I know
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that they can do
every thing best for us
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so that we can end up
in the kingdom of heaven.
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Well, thanks for joining us
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on today's Global
Mission Snapshots.
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I hope that you've
been inspired and challenged
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by what you've seen and heard.
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From dense population
areas here in the United States
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to remote villages
in Southern Africa,
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men and women are
sharing the life of God's love
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in practical, tangible ways
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and thank you for
your continuing prayers
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and financial support
that makes this possible.
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We'd like to send
you a small piggy bank,
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a money box where you can
collect mission offerings,
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put them together
over the course of
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two months, three months,
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whatever and then
bring them to church.
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It's a nice
reminder of the importance
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of continuing to
sacrifice for mission.
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It could be used for
small groups for children,
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whatever to keep
our focus on mission.
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Just call the number
on your screen right now.
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Well, that's it for
Global Mission Snapshots
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and I hope that you
can join me next time
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right here on this program.
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