¤ ¤ Subodh K. Pandit, M.D.
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Now we are in Session Ten
overall with the second session
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comparing the founders. In
this one I'd like to go a little
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slower so go with me as we take
the steps. I asked this question
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and I'm going to read it
out to you. How did your life,
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Mr. Founder,
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match with your own teachings?
Did you provide the message in
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word only or in actual practice
in life? You wanted the people
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to bring their behavior and
practice into line with your
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teachings. Did you do that
yourself? That is the question.
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And I consider this to be a true
acid test of your claims. So you
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know what I was trying to do
was check and see whether the
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meaning of what they were saying
was not only in their words but
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actually in their lives I really
felt this was a true test to
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these founders. Now because
I'm trying to look for faults it
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it will be a little negative in
that sense. I don't mean to put
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any of the religions down.
I do not mean to say that the
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doctrines and philosophies are
are false or negative or bad.
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What I mean to say is that
we are asking a very specific
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question and because of the
nature of the question I had to
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look for the faults in each of
the founders. So I had to comb
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through the writings to do that.
And I don't mean, once again,
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I do not mean to put you down,
the other religions. I just
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mean to ask this question as an
inquirer. So join me in asking
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this question: Mr. Founder,
did your life match your own
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teachings? Here's Hinduism.
"When a man gives up all
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varieties of desire for sense
gratification...then he is said
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to be in pure...transcendental
consciousness." "A person who is
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not disturbed by the incessant
flow of desires can alone
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achieve peace." These words,
sense gratification and flow of
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desires actually mean sensuality
and sex. If you read all these
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religious writings invariably,
sometimes quite explicitly, they
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do describe that. And that
is because it is understood even
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from the truth of each religion
that this question of sensuality
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and sexuality is a big part of
our lives. Nobody escapes that.
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But what they do say is that no
matter how powerful the effects
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of that part of our life,
we must not let it dominate.
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In other words, it's there for a
good reason but if it gets to be
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too much then we cannot carry on
the true part that the founders
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are trying to describe for us.
In other words, yes, it is there
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but do not let it dominate.
Now with that in mind, let's see
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what the words are in the
description of some of the
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Hindus. Here is what Gautama
Buddha said as a Hindu, when he
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was a Hindu, "...Our Holy
books tell us of gods, sages and
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heroes who, though high-minded
were addicted to sensuous
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passions." Now that is quite a
confession to make. And it is in
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writing. They were addicted. Not
only did they indulge but they
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were addicted to it. Do you know
one of the glaring examples of
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this, of going against this
teaching, that you must not let
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it dominate, keep it down to its
place, is in the life of Krishna
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who was the eighth incarnate
of the god Vishnu. And in some
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circles he is called the supreme
personality of the godhead.
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Now in his life in the
traditional writings they
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describe him as being playful.
But the word playful does not
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really depict the true picture.
When you read what really
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happens it is ahh picture that
is questionable. You see he grew
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up in a place called Randovna
and his companions were only
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girl cowherds called Gopis. He
was the only guy. And he used to
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play his flute beautifully.
So in his treatment of the girls
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and his behavior with the girls
he would play the flute and the
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traditional writings say that he
would seduce them. That is not
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a good picture. He
described yes, playful, but the
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playfulness was not really all
that innocent. There was a time
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when the girls had gone for a
bath to the river, he went there
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and picked all their clothes and
climbed up a tree and he said
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If anybody wants your clothes
come and get them from me one by
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one. Whoa. That's not a
good picture. He also had his
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favorite one called Radha
and here is what a traditional
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writing says: When Ayana Ghosh
[who is the husband of Radha]
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heard of Radha's adultery,
he went in search of the couple.
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[So who is Radha with? Krishna]
However, Krishna assumed the
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form of a goddess and
they thereby escaped Ayagosha's
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wrath." There are multiple
such stories of his behavior. In
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fact, in a royal meeting of
opposing forces in those days
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they would meet together before
the war, and chide each other
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and challenge each other. During
one of those royal meetings
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Shishupala, one of the opposing
princes turned to him and chided
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him, chided Krishna, for his
behavior with women, for taking
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their clothes. Why? Because that
was part of the story that was
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spread about. So he really
did not keep up to that strong
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teaching that you have to push
it aside so that you can be in
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pure transcendental
consciousness. In some
traditional writings he is
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claimed to have had 16,000 wives
Now even if this number is only
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figurative, it does confess to
his way of life. He is said to
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have fathered 180,000 sons!
That is not in line with the
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principle of abstaining from
sensual activities so that you
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have the mind focused only on
transcendental meditation. So it
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doesn't look like the life had
come up to the teaching in real
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practice. How about Buddhism?
Gautama Buddha said these words:
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"Here venerable gentlemen
are the four rules about the
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offenses which deserve expulsion
Expulsion from the monastery.
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Number one: If a monk should
have sexual intercourse with
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anyone. The other rules were if
you stole, or if you murdered,
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or if you claimed to have
supernatural powers when you
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didn't, then these four rules
would cause expulsion from the
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monastery. So the first one was
no sex. But how about him and
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his own life? The fact is he
was married and he did have a
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son. So he did have sex.
The other story is really in the
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traditional writings. You see
his father was a king, His name
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was Suddhodana. His mother was a
queen. So he was a prince. When
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he was to be born a prophet from
the foothills of the Himalayas
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his name was Asceta came to the
father and said you're going to
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have a son and your son will
either be a great world emperor
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and ruler or he will leave town
and go into the world looking
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for light, half-clad, naked and
an ascetic life. Which one would
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you like? Well the father said
I want him to be a prince and a
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king and an emperor. Well
Asceta then told him on this
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condition he might become a
world emperor; if you make sure
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that he does not set his eyes
on old age, disease, suffering,
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or death. So the father,
King Suddhodana, took up the
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challenge. He'd built palaces,
different palaces, in which he
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placed Gautama Buddha. At that
time his name was Siddhartha,
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the son. And he did not let him
come down to the palace grounds
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or the town because he might
set his eyes on those forbidden
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things. So from the age of 16
to age of 29 he was kept on the
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upper stories of the palaces,
never allowed to come down.
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Now how do you think they kept
him busy and entertained out
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there? Well we don't have to
guess. The writings say this:
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He was kept busy up there,
entertained with women minstrels
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"They entertained him
with wanton swaying...butterfly
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kisses and seductive glances.
Thus he became a captive of
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these women who were versed
in the subject of sensuous
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enjoyment and indefatigable in
sexual pleasure." For how long?
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Day after day, week after week,
month after month, year after
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year for 13 years. This was
the story that was going on. And
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that's why in later years when
he was looking for light. By the
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way, at the age of 29 he left
that. Walked out into wilderness
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looking for light exactly as
the prophet had said. So this is
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what he said while he
was looking for light:
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"In fulfillment of my vows I
have plucked out the hair of my
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head and the hair of my beard
...have gone down to the water
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punctually thrice before
nightfall to wash away the evil
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within." I didn't use the word
evil. It is right there in the
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writings. And if he had to
go punctually three times a day
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to wash away the evil then that
evil must have been a certain
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good amount. You wash it once
still there. Wash it again, it's
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still there. Three time a day.
In other words, it permeated his
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life. And what was most of
the evil? We don't know but
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certainly it was the question of
having sex, because that was his
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story for all those years, 13
years. So really when you look
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at the story and at the teaching
the life story is not matching
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with the teaching. So even
Gautama Buddha does not seem to
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have fulfilled his own teachings
in his life. How about Islam,
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the story of Muhammad?
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Now Muhammad is
considered to be the perfect man
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and in traditional Islamic
circles they do accept him as
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that and I think we should
accept him. But look at what the
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Quran says. For example, in
chapter four. Then you may marry
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other women who seem good to
you: two, three or four of them.
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Muhammad had two basic parts of
his life. One was in Mecca and
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next half was in Medina.
In Mecca he had only one wife.
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In Medina, when he went, he had
shifted out from being not just
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a messenger of god, but to
be a statesman, a general in his
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army. Now he had power, a
different kind of power, and he
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wanted to maybe make alliances
so he had so many wives. Here
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it says four. It is said in the
writings that he had anywhere
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from 11 to even 19 wives.
So he really didn't match this
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teaching. How about
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the next verse? It's found
in chapter 48: "We [Allah] have
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given you [Muhammad] a glorious
victory so that [Allah] God may
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forgive your past and future
sins." And in chapter 93: "Did
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he [Allah] not find you
[Muhammad] in error and guide
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you?" So we acknowledge that
Muhammad was the perfect man
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but the perfection in Islamic
tradition still allows sins and
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errors. So yes, perfect, good,
but really you cannot be an
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example if you have exceptions
like the exception was given to
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him to marry more than four.
So either example or exception,
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not both. So did Muhammad keep
up to the teachings. Well to a
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good extent but still there
were faults. How about Judaism?
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The words here are: "Thou
shalt not kill." "Thou shalt not
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commit adultery." "Thou shalt
not bear false witness." Let's
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look at the three Hebrew greats:
Abraham, Moses and David.
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Here's Moses: "So he looked this
way and that way and when he saw
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no one, he killed him and hid
him in the sand." What's that?
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Murder. And the story of Abraham
"So he went in to Hagar and she
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conceived." He had sex with
Hagar. Hagar was not his wife.
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So that's adultery. And then
when you go to the neighboring
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town he tells the king that
his wife, Sarah, is actually his
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sister. Well that was a lie. So
this big towering prophet still
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indulged in falsehood as well.
How about David? The words are:
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"...David sent messengers and
took her." Who is her? Bathsheba
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Bathsheba was not his wife.
That's committing adultery. And
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then to cover up his actions
he takes this husband who's a
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member of his army, sends him
into battle specifically to be
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killed. It says: "Set Uriah [the
husband] in the forefront of the
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hottest battle...retreat from
him that he may be struck down
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and die." Cold-blooded murder.
So no Hebrew great ever came up
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to the top of the teachings
that they themselves claim and
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proclaimed. Then we come to
Christianity. Jesus was accused
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of the sin of blasphemy. Here
are the words: Then the Jews
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took up stones to stone him...
'for blasphemy... [and this is
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why they wanted to stone him]
because you being a man make
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yourself God.'" So the question
is did he break the law. The
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Jews said so; but the writings
of John actually claim the
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opposite. They say that he was
God. So if he was God, it was
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blasphemy. In fact, John says
in John 1:1 "The word [that is
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Jesus] was God." And thus the
writings on which we base our
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assessment they stand by
him even though he was accused.
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So the accusation was there
but it was not upheld in the
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writings themselves. So
we'll set aside the question of
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blasphemy. He was accused
but it was not sustained in the
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writings. And now we go to
12 statements in the writings to
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see how they pan out. Here
is the first statement by Pilot:
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Now Pilot was a Roman governor.
Romans and Jews were not exactly
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friends. In fact, they hated one
another with a passion. And yet
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this is what Pilot, a Roman
governor, is talking about a Jew
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Jesus. "And indeed having
examined him in your presence
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I have found no fault in this
man." And in the book of John
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it said: "I find no fault in him
at all." And then he endorses
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that and quotes Herod by
saying Herod also found no fault
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because he sent him back. So
these two were the first in our
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list. Number three: Pilot's wife
During the trial she sent a note
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to Pilot. She said, watch what
you are doing about this man who
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is in your court. I've heard
about him and in fact I saw in
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a dream, this man is a just
man. The word just means good,
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blameless. Number four: The
Roman centurion. These hardened
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soldiers knew what criminals
looked like and he was in charge
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of the crucifixion. And when
he saw the way Jesus behaved his
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words, his whole demeanor. Boy!
This was different. And so at
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the point of his death when he
saw how he died, what happened
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around him, these are his words:
"Certainly this was a righteous
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man." The thief on the cross:
Jesus was crucified between two
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thieves. One of them turned to
Jesus and said, Hey if you are
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the Son of God and a Messiah
and have tremendous power and a
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energy and authority why don't
you come down from the cross and
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also take us down. The other
thief turned to him and chided
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him and said, Look you and I are
dying here, crucified, because
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of what we did which was wrong
and evil. And then he says these
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words: "But this man [pointing
to Jesus] has done nothing wrong
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Now all these five saw him from
a distance. So from a distance
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well yeah, he appears to be
okay. What about those who were
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close to Jesus? You know there's
a tradition in the east between
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a rabbi and his followers who
was called a talmidim. And in
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India we have the guru and the
follower who is called a shishya
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The relationship is very strong
and peculiar. The talmidim, the
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the follower of a rabbi
has to leave home to follow the
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master. Why? Because he
must follow him to the extent of
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becoming like him and here's one
of the prayers that the parents
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prayed over the son who was now
going to be a follower of this
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rabbi. It was great honor the
family if a rabbi came by and
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said I would like your son to be
a follower of mine. So this is
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the prayer they would say.
May the dust of your rabbi cover
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your garments. The dust coming
from his sandals cover your
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garment. What's the meaning?
May you follow so closely your
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rabbi that in the end you will
be like your rabbi. Go close to
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him. The sandals' dust that
comes up must come onto your
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garment. In other words, watch
him. As he speaks, so should you
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speak. As he walks, you will
walk. As he eats, you will eat.
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Compare, copy him in all his
mannerisms and all his teachings
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and all his philosophy. In other
words be close to him at all
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times. Jesus, as a rabbi, had
talmidim and they followed him
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day after day. So here's one of
them. John, who watched Jesus.
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Now John obviously wants to
be like Jesus so he watched him
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from morning till evening,
day after day, week after week,
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month after month, year after
year for three and a half years
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continuously. And at the
end of that continuous close
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observation here is his
assessment: "...in Him there is
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no sin." How about
Peter, another talmidim, another
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follower: He said "Christ...
without blemish and without
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spot." Disciple another one,
Paul: he "...was in all points
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tempted as we are [and]
yet without sin." Can you see a
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tendency with all these people?
They seem to be looking at him
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examining him and not really
finding that which discredits
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him. Well these disciples
were his good ones. How about a
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disloyal disciple? Judas. He had
betrayed him. And then when he
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realized his mistake he went
back to the priests and he threw
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the money back at them and
said No I don't want this money
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because is I who have sinned,
I have betrayed this man who is
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innocent. He used the words
innocent blood meaning this man
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was innocent. So we have
nine stating the same thing. The
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tenth one is quite peculiar
and quite powerful. Jesus is the
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only founder of a major religion
who is referenced in the
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writings of another major
religion. He is referenced 90
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times and more in the holy Quran
the book of Islam. Sixteen times
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he's identified by his mother's
name. In those days it was
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usually a father's name. Son of
so and so. But here Jesus and he
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also was called Jesus the son of
Mary. And in the Quran is says
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Eesa ibn Maryam more than 16
times, Jesus the son of Mary.
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and more than 10 times he is
given the title al-Maseeh, the
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Messiah in the Quran. And there
are other words in the Quran
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about the life of Jesus.
In chapter three and verse 46:
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It says, "He shall lead a
righteous life." And the one who
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spoke to his mother, the angel,
described his life: "Holy and
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blameless son." Remember this is
the same Quran that acknowledged
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that Muhammad did
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have sins and errors. And here
the same Quran is saying that
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he is a righteous life,
blameless Son. How about his own
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conscience. Now how many of
us, you and I, can look into our
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lives and say everything is fine
we never made a mistake in our
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lives. Nobody can say that.
But there was a time when Jesus
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faced his bitterest critics,
those who were thirsting for his
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life and he turned to them and
said Which of you can show one
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sin in my life, the words
actually "Which of you convicts
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me of sin?" In other words, can
you prove sin in me? You know
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what the response was? Silence.
Now, look through history. How
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many public figures can you
find who would look at their
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bitterest enemies who are
thirsting for their death and
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challenges them to find one
mistake, and the response is
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silence. I believe you will not
find any. On the screen is the
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word K'ung Ch'iu. That's his
Chinese name. His western name
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is Confucius. Now if you know
anything about Confucius he was
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a wonderful man, generous,
benevolent, loving and kind and
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everything that goes to make a
person wonderful and yet look at
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his own words: "How dare I claim
to be sage or a benevolent man?"
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So even Confucius agreed that he
was not up to the mark. But when
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you look then at Jesus who said
there seems to be nothing in my
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life, in my whole conscience.
It's amazing. Number 12: In the
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Sanhedrin they asked him this
question: "Are you then the Son
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of God?" And they put him
to death for that question.
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Now in a trial
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you don't put them to death
because of their claim as to who
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they are. You put them to death
because of what they did or did
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not do. Now in that trial they
did bring witnesses over and
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over, and they could not find
any reason to put him to death
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could not find a fault.
So the chief priest shifted
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out the question
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from what did you do or what did
you not do to who are you. That
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shift tells me that his life was
perfect, what he did, what he
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did not do met the highest
standard. In other words,
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15 million minutes of life
on this earth, in the midst of a
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wicked and corrupt generation
- and every thought, every deed
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every purpose, every work,
privately and publicly, from the
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time he opened His baby eyes
until He expired on the cross,
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were all approved of God.
Never once did our Lord have to
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confess any sin, for He had
no sin." "He alone carried the
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spotless purity of childhood
untarnished through youth and
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manhood." "Christ's
self-conscious purity is
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astonishing."
"Sinless perfection and perfect
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sinlessness is what we would
expect of God-incarnate, and
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this we find in Jesus. The
hypothesis and facts concur."
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In other words, what we would
expect is what we find. Amazing.
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Now look at the consistency
of his life. He said he was God.
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And when he came down from being
God, he said I bring the message
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in myself. I am the message.
If he came from there of course
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he would be the message. And if
he really was the message, then
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we should expect that that
life would be permeated by the
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message to the extent that there
would be no mistake at all.
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And that's exactly what we find
here. God incarnate bringing the
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message in himself so that
he himself is the message and
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living it out to
perfection. An amazing record.
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Is that another red marble?
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