¤ ¤ Subodh K. Pandit, M.D.
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Welcome back again my friends.
This is session three. We have
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done the first three columns of
the Pan Process in session two
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and now we're going to do column
number four. Column number four
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is arguments against atheism
against the claim that God does
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not exist. We're going to look
at two basic ideas. Number one:
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The question of From Nothing?
You see if God did not create
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this universe then the only
option is that this universe
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came from absolutely nothing,
total nothingness. There is no
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other option to that. Some
people wonder whether we can put
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a little of something there but
if you do that it will not meet
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scientific criteria of a real
origin. So either God created
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this universe or it came
from nothing. The second one is
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Statistical Analysis. In other
words, what are the chances that
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it could have happened by
itself So number one: Absolutely
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nothing. So am not the one who
is saying the word nothing here.
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Look at these authors.
Bill Bryson in the book A Short
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History of Nearly Everything
said "So from nothing our
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universe begins." And Victor
Stenger, his words, "So where
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did the laws of nature come
from? They came from
nothing...the void out of
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which the universe arose." And
Quentin Smith, once again, you
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have seen his words before. "The
only reasonable belief is that
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we came from nothing by nothing
and for nothing" Pretty sweeping
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words that kind of cover
everything. So when I read that
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I asked myself what is
that statement based on? Think.
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Nothing. Just a mere opinion.
No basis except a configuration
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of a mind. So even then, we're
not going to dismiss it. As
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inquirers we take it and inspect
it and then evaluate it. So we
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can look at it in three ways.
Number one: Physical. Is it
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physically possible to get
something out of nothing? Let's
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test it out. You and I will test
it. Let's build the great wall
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of China, but I will give you no
material, no builders, no time,
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no space, not even you. Wow!
You're going to turn around and
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say that is not fair.
Wait a minute. Even I am not in
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existence. Now how did the Great
Wall of China come about? Well,
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honestly, you will have to agree
that absolute nothingness as a
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starting point is
totally physically impractical.
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How about philosophically?
Do you know that absolute
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nothingness cannot be imagined.
Why? Because your mind and your
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brain are the factories that
produce imagination. So how can
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you imagine the nonexistence of
your mind while you are using it
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to imagine? In other words,
a person who imagines is always
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there. Try it and see. Imagine
being in the Bahamas. Well you
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are there. So when you say I am
imagining absolute nothingness
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that's an impossibility because
you are there. So nobody can
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actually, imagine absolute
nothingness. And if you cannot
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imagine it then how can
you propose it as a scientific
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theory? Think, my friend. Even
fantasy fiction must first be
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imagined before it is written
down. So if you say you cannot
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imagine and philosophically
we cannot imagine absolute
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nothingness then we are getting
at something that is just quite
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impossible. So philosophically
absolute nothingness has an
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origin. It is a total
impossibility. How about
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mathematics? You know, Science
may be represented as common
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sense wrapped in mathematics.
Those are the words of Edgar
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Andrews, himself a scientist.
Especially in physics.
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Statements in physics must have
a mathematical basis otherwise
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it's not considered science. For
example: You just can't use the
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word gravity. The word gravity
really means nothing unless you
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put some numbers to it. It is
a force that directly attracts
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two bodies and it is directly
related to the mass of the two
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bodies and inversely related to
the square the distance between
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the two bodies. Can you see
that you have to put numbers and
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mathematical equations and
only then it is science. So in
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physics scientific statements
are made but they are considered
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scientific statements only
if backed by equations, numbers.
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So let's do that right now.
Let's take these two theories
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make the statement and then make
an equation out of them. So here
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are the two statements.
Atheistic proposal: Nothing did
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nothing with nothing and
produced everything. Whereas the
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theistic proposal said: Someone
did something about that nothing
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and then produced the whole
universe or everything. So the
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sentences now will be made into
a mathematical equation and I
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want you to see how reasonable
is the equation to you. The
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atheistic proposal says
0 + 0 + 0 = 100 Whereas the
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theistic proposal said
x + y + 0 = 100. Tell me
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honestly, which equation is more
possible as an equation, equal.
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Zero cannot be 100. I have
put certain digits there on the
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screen. The first two series are
exactly the same, six zeros and
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one. The first number is equal
to one. The second number has
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the same six zeros and one but
it's equal to a million. What
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makes the difference and what
about the third one? All digits
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are zero. So at the end of that
series it is equal to zero. So
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what do we mean when we look
at those three numbers. It means
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that zero, as a starting point,
is valueless! Only a number can
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give value or substance. So
absolute nothingness is zero
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without any real numbers related
to it as a mathematical premise
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or starting point is worse than
absurdity. You know people have
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tried to say that things came
out by itself from nothing. I
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have a book here, if you look at
the title of the book, it says
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A Universe From Nothing. Now the
author is a well-known scientist
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His name is Lawrence Krauss and
he has written this book trying
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to establish the idea that
this entire universe came from
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nothing. But I'm going to read
you certain sentences from the
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endorsements of that book.
Here's the first one: It is from
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Nature a very prestigious
periodical in general. It said,
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"...in this nothingness there
are many wonderful things to see
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Really? Can you see anything in
a nothingness? How contradictory
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is that? Neil DeGrasse Tyson,
one of the great theoretical
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physicists in the United States,
actually said the truth and his
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words are also in the book. He
said: "Nothing is not nothing.
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Nothing is something." Oh boy.
So what do we do with the title?
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And Richard Dawkins, a very
vocal atheist, in the same book
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he says "The title means exactly
what it says." But that is false
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because Neil DeGrasse said,
Tyson said, that nothing is
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something. There's not nothing.
So the title really should read,
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A Universe from Something,
not, A Universe from Nothing. So
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absolute nothingness
is: Physically impractical,
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philosophically impossible
and mathematically worse than
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absurdity. So the Latin Aphorism
Ex nihilo, nihil fit is correct.
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Translated: Out of nothing,
nothing comes! So the origin of
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our universe was NOT absolute
nothingness. How about the
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statistical analysis? You know
chance is subjective. You say
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what are the chances this will
happen? What are the chances
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that that will happen? But it
is also a mathematical premise
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it is an equation, it's a
formula. Just put the numbers in
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and out comes the chance. It's
called probability. What are the
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chances it will happen or it
will not happen? In scientific
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evaluation the number is
set approximately at 10 to the
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power of 15, which
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means 10 followed by 15 zeros.
So in your calculations, your
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scientific calculations, if
an event will happen 10 to the
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power of 15 will not happen once
then they say it will always
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happen and if it happens only
once in both circumstances and
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will not happen 10 to the power
of 15 times then the conclusion
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in scientific evaluation is
that that event will not occur.
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When you want to enunciate a
scientific law the number goes
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up to 10 to the power of 50,
10 followed by 50 zeros. So if
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only one chance occurs and
if there's only one time it will
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occur in 10 to the power of 50
chances given to it then we say
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it's an actual impossibility,
statistical impossibility.
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So how big are these numbers?
Let me give you an example or
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some indication. If we tested
the law of gravity by dropping
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this pointer onto my palm once
per second you know to do it
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10 to the power of 18 times
would require 15 billion years.
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To do it 10 to the power of 20
times would require 1.5 trillion
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years. So 10 to the power of 50
is a gigantic number! Huge! It
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is so big that scientists
usually don't question the
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number although it is arbitrary.
So with that in mind, let's say
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it again, if there's only
one chance of it occurring and
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10 to the power of 50 chances
of not occurring then it is
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statistically impossible. And if
it does occur then it was done
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by an agent or an agency. So
with that in mind, let's look at
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a few statements. Here is
Michael Benton, a scientist,
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most probably from New Zealand,
who checked something out,
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and he said, "It would require
at least one hundred functional
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proteins" What is the meaning
of that? The simplest cell. To
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realize would require at least
100 functional proteins giving
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a maximum combined probability
of one chance in 10 to the power
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2000!" Not 10 to the power
of 50 Ten to the power of 2000.
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Amazing? Can you say Wow!?
Maybe you didn't so I'll try
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again. Proteins are made up
of amino acids, building blocks.
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They have to be linked together
to form the chain which is
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called a protein. The simplest
cell would require about 10,000
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amino acids in that chain. Now
amino acids have links. It could
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be a left-handed link, it could
have a right-handed link. Levo/
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Dextro for those of you who are
scientists. When you make amino
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acids in the laboratory it
always comes out as a racemic
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mixture. That means equal left-
handed to right-handed forms.
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Nobody knows how to in a
laboratory make more left-handed
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or more right-handed. Now listen
to this. All 10,000 amino acids
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in the cell have to be only
left-handed, in the chromosome.
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The chromosome is made of also
units. They called nucleotides.
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These nucleotides also
have links right-handed and
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left-handed
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and you need about a 100,000
nucleotides to make the complete
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chromosome for that cell.
Once again here all 100,000
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nucleotides have to be only
right-handed. So what are the
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chances that 10,000 left-handed
amino acids and 100,000 right-
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handed nucleotides got together
at the same point of space and
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time to form that first cell?
Here's Ralph Muncaster and his
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words: "The probability of
assembling 10,000 left-handed
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amino acids and 100,000 right-
handed nucleotides is 1 chance
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in 10 to the power of 33,113."
And we already said 1 is to 10
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to the power of 50 is a
statistical impossibility.
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Did you say wow!? Well let's
try again. And this time the
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whole cell. "Harold
Morowitz a microbiologist and a
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mathematician calculated what
the chances were that we could
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get all the components of a cell
together at the same point at
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the same time to form that cell.
Only one cell. You know how many
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cells you and I have, anywhere
from 75 to 100 trillion cells
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in our bodies. We're talking
about just one cell. So what are
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the chances that one cell
would come together, all the
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components brought together.
Here it is: Harold Morowitz, a
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microbiologist calculated
the odds of a cell randomly
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assembling under the most ideal
conditions to be 1 chance in
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10 to the power of 100 billion."
And we said that 1 is to 10 to
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the power of 50 is an
impossibility. So if 10 to the
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power of 50 is an impossibility
then 10 to the power of
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10 hundred billion which is
required for one cell to form.
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How many impossible equivalents
would that be? Do you know how
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many? Ten to the power of
99,999,999,950 impossible events
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for just one cell to form.
So here's some logic choices.
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If only two possibilities exist,
and one of them is correct, then
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If A is possible, B is also
possible; if A is improbable,
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B becomes probable; if A
is impossible, B becomes fact.
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Let's check it out with just a
simple equation. Suppose I give
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you a mathematical test.
9-3= and I will give you two
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possibilities as answers. A 15
and B I will not even show you
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the number but remember one of
them is correct. So which would
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you choose. B of course. Why?
Because 9-3 has to be less than
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9 because there's a minus mark
over there. So 15, impossible.
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Therefore, B is correct even
if you never looked at it, never
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laid eyes on it. Think. So
here's what Sherlock Holmes said
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sometime ago in the book The
Sign of the Four "How often have
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I said to you that when you
have eliminated the impossible,
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whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
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So we have a conclusion
here. If it was statistically
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absolutely impossible that
even one cell was synthesized by
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random chance, then the truth
is that if it did occur and it
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did because there are hundreds
and millions and trillions of
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cells, then an agent did it. It
did not happen then by chance.
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So what grade would you give
that? I gave it, these two, nine
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out of ten. You can give your
own grade. So now we've done all
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four. Let's put all four
together. Column one for atheism
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one. Column two against the
believing side, seven, but we
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sifted out the seven to column
number three because it moved
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out if you remember the
arguments. Column number three
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for the believing side I gave
eight and column number four
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against atheistic side a number
nine. So here's how we put it
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together: Atheism would be
column one for atheism minus
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column four 9 against atheism.
1-9 comest to -8. The theistic
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side the points for theism which
was eight and the seven that
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came from column two (8+7) 15.
Here's what I say, my friend.
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No matter what numbers you gave
it doesn't matter, the atheistic
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side will always be negative and
the theistic side whatever the
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numbers will be positive. So
in the words of Socrates: You go
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where the evidence leads. Go
where the argument leads. Now a
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few words from those who have
looked at it. We both looked at
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it. Now how about the others who
have looked at it? Here are some
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quotes from a philosopher:
My discovery of the Divine has
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proceeded on a purely natural
level, without any reference to
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supernatural phenomena...A
pilgrimage of reason and not of
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faith." You will notice I
have highlighted the word reason
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and in the next few quotes I
have highlighted the word reason
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or intellect or mind. These
words were by Anthony Flew who
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wrote a book There Is A God
and the subtitle of the book is
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How the World's Most Notorious
Atheist Changed His Mind.
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Because this is what he
says: "The leaders of science
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over the last hundred years,
along with some of today's most
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influential scientists
have built a philosophically
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compelling vision of a rational
universe that sprang from a
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divine Mind." And then another
statement: "The mind of God...
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a vision of reality that emerges
from the conceptual heart of
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modern science and imposes
itself on the rational mind."
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Notice what it does not say.
It does not say, The conceptual
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heart of some religious writings
and imposes itself on the
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blindly believing mind. No.
It says the conceptual heart of
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modern science and imposes
itself on the rational mind.
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How about some quotes
from scientists. Here's Albert
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Einstein: "In view of such
harmony in the cosmos which I,
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with my limited human mind, am
able to recognize, there are yet
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people who say there is no God.
But what makes me angry is that
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they quote me for the support
of such views." And Max Jammer
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talking about Albert Einstein:
"Einstein agreed with Spinoza
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that he who knows nature knows
God...because the pursuit of
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science in studying nature leads
to religion." Remember you use
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your mind when you study. How
about Charles Darwin himself?
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The last sentence of his book
The Origin of Species says this:
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"There is grandeur in this view
of life, with its several powers
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having been originally breathed
(by the Creator) into a few
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forms or into one." And that is
when you look at the animals and
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plants and species on this earth
When he turned his eyes to gaze
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up into the heavens this is
what he said: (he found) "...the
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impossibility of conceiving this
immense and wonderful universe
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as the result of blind chance or
necessity. When thus reflecting
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I feel compelled to look to
a First Cause..." Remember we
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talked about cause in
the section on logic. "I feel
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compelled to look to a First
Cause having an intelligent mind
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and I deserve to be called a
Theist." A believer? These are
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words of Charles
Darwin. Back to Anthony Flew:
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"Life, consciousness, mind and
self can only come from a source
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that is living, conscious
and thinking. Matter (by itself)
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cannot produce conceptions and
perceptions. So at the level of
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reason and everyday experience
we become immediately aware that
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the world of living, conscious,
thinking beings has to originate
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in a living Source, a Mind." And
now these same words or nearly
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same, similar words, are
echoed by a Nobel prize-winning
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scientist. His name is George
Wald. Listen to his words:
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"The stuff of which physical
reality is constructed is
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mind-stuff. It is mind that
has composed a physical universe
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that breeds life...and creates
science-making, art-making, and
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technology-making creatures."
So a philosopher and a scientist
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in full agreement. How about one
of the greatest scientists who
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lived in our age? The late
Stephen Hawking: He said these
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words "Even if there
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is only one possible unified
theory, it is just a set of
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rules and equations. What is
it that breathes fire into the
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equations and makes a universe?"
"You still have the question why
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does the universe bother
to exist? If you like, you can
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define God to be the
answer to that question."
00:26:10.73\00:26:13.84
And then he says these
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words: "If we do discover a
complete theory,..." Which is
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the holy grail of physics, grand
unified theory, if we should
00:26:19.61\00:26:26.31
find it "...it should in
time be understandable in broad
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principle by everyone. Not just
a few scientists... If we find
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the answer to that, it would
be the ultimate triumph of human
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reason-for then we would know
the mind of God" So the ultimate
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triumph of human intellect is
to attain to the mind of God. So
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the conclusion then based
on fact and reasonable, logical
00:26:44.40\00:26:48.30
thinking the existence
of the supernatural is valid
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and makes
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the better sense. Therefore the
existence of God rather than the
00:26:52.44\00:26:56.04
nonexistence of God is a
vastly credible claim. Go, said
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Socrates, where the argument
leads. So if you formed the jury
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here's what I would say: Ladies
and gentlemen of the jury, here
00:27:05.95\00:27:10.09
laid before you are the points
and arguments, the facts and the
00:27:10.13\00:27:13.86
reasons. The weight of evidence
is clear and convincing. I rest
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my case. Thank you.
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