Is it reasonable to
believe in the existence of God,
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and what about science?
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Does it support or not
support to believe in a Creator?
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And what about the
honest questions that agnostics
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and atheists ask?
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Are there reasonable
answers to those questions?
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Come explore with us the
controversial topic of God:
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Fact or Fiction?
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Welcome to a
respectful conversation
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about the existence of God.
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My guest today is Subodh Pandit,
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who is a physician.
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He's a fascinating
person. He's from India.
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He is the author
of a couple of books
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that I've read both
of them cover to cover,
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very interesting.
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Book one is called
Does God really exist?
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The subtitle is,
Is Theism Rational?
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Is Evolution Truly Scientific?
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And then book two is
called The Weight of Evidence,
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and the subtitle is
Religions Compared Candidly
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The Basis for Belief.
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Both of these books
have an umbrella title called
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Come Search With Me.
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Subodh Pandit is the
president of an organization
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called Search
Seminars International.
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He's traveled the world over
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and he's spoken at
university campuses.
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And he talks to
students about the big issues
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of God evolution, faith,
science, and he's just...
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He's a very interesting man.
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So, Subodh, thank you
for being here with me.
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My pleasure. It's
great to be here, Steve.
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Yes, you've been
here for a couple days
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and the weather's
cold outside right now.
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You're in the snowy
land of North Idaho.
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Very different
from where I come from,
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I mean, not so
different but quite different.
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Yes.
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Well, I grew up in Los Angeles
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and so this is very
different too for me.
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But I've lived here for
the last almost 10 years
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and I've come to
enjoy all the seasons.
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So anyway, let's
just get right into our...
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I want to have people get
to know you a little better,
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and then we'll talk
about the 13 Part Series
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that we just finished
that you've just finished.
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So just tell us a little
bit about your background,
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and what you do?
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Professionally,
I'm a medical doctor,
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specialist in internal medicine.
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I was born and
brought up in India.
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Now, India really is a
land of tremendous diversity,
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food, language,
culture, religion.
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It has the largest
population of Hindus.
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Very few people
realize that India has about
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the second largest
population of Muslims.
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We have more Muslims in India
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than the whole Arabian
Peninsula put together,
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Jainism,
Buddhism, Zoroastrianism,
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so that is the
background where I grew up.
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So naturally, I
had a lot of questions
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when I was growing
up and I did ask them.
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I went on asking people,
kept notes on what they said
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and that is what I put together
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in the presentations that I make
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and part of that came
into our 13 Part Series here.
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Now, your specialty
as a physician is what?
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Internal medicine,
but for the last 10 years
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of my practice, I was
an emergency room doctor,
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an internist and the
emergency room doctor.
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Okay. And so what...
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You know, as a
doctor, now you are a speaker,
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and you're an author,
and you're the president
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of Search Seminars
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and you're
tackling the big issues
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of whether there's a God or not.
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How did you shift
from one to the other?
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You know, in a
sense, it was not a shift.
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Like I said, I grew up
in that crucible of mixture.
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And these questions
kept in the back of my mind
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playing over and over again.
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And so when I
finished medical school,
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I decided to let those questions
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come to the fore
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and see if I could
tackle those questions.
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And if there was
a reasonable answer
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to those big questions
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that really vex a lot
of people, including me.
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So I didn't really shift out.
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I just added this
to what I was doing.
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And as I was practicing,
I would speak to people
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and get to this topic as well.
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And since this was interesting,
a lot of information came in.
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I just slowly transitioned
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to have a focus
on this later on.
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Okay.
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Do you still consider yourself
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to be a searcher
or have you arrived?
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Do you now have all the answers
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that you've got it
all sewed up, you know?
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That is an interesting question.
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You know what I found
when I was doing this search
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that the attitude of
a seeker or an inquirer
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is one of the most
delightful attitudes
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one can have.
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And even as you find
things, you realize that
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there's something
more that you can get to.
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But I have to
state that, you know,
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once you ask a question
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and you come to a
certain conclusion
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because of the
information and the evidence,
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then at that point
you can make a decision.
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But that does not mean
you have stopped searching.
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So that's where I am.
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I had asked some questions,
looked for the evidences, hey,
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there's some good
evidence to answer my question.
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So I've made up my
mind on those points,
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but I'm always
going to be an inquirer.
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That's good.
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It seems to me that
when you talk to somebody
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that gives the impression
that they know everything,
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you know, it
doesn't really speak
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well for them as a person.
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And I think we all struggle
with a certain amount of pride
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and you know we have a
tendency as humans to talk
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as if we really know a lot
when sometimes we don't know
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exactly what
we're talking about.
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But, Steve,
that's a common thing
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all over the world.
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That's right.
That's what I said.
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It's a tendency of humanity.
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And so for a person to
adopt a humble posture,
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I think that goes a long way.
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But if you just turn
your eyes to where we are,
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this world is bitty and small
compared to our solar system,
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compared to our galaxy
and compared to the universe.
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So actually, we
still are very, very small
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and all that we can
possibly put together
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in the whole human race
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is still a small
bit of what there is.
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So we will always should
be humble, and an inquirer.
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That's good. Excellent.
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Now, give us
just a quick overview.
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You've just finished
recording 13 programs
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that delve into
some of the content
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that's in your books.
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And you branch out
into different areas
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dealing with the existence
or non existence of God
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and arguments for and
against and things like that.
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So just, you know, talk
to us a little bit about,
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kind of an overview of what
this 13 Part Series is about?
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The base really should be set.
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And when I
looked around the world,
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I found that most of
the debates and discussions
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would not end with
a conclusive ending.
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It was always an
unsatisfying ending
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in which neither side wins.
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So when I looked into that,
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I realized that
one of the things
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that they, that causes
this is that there is a lack
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of agreement on both
sides on what the premise
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of the base should be.
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The base must be set
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by factors that
both sides agree.
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So that's what I
honestly and always do
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when I present this.
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And in this 13 Part
Series that's all what I did,
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make a base.
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And then from
that we went on to,
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do we know there's a God?
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The only real and credible way
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is to look into the
information we have,
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scientific information,
and then use common sense
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and reason and logic.
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So with that, the next question
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I tackled was the
question of evolution.
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Is that really credible because
most people believe in it?
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So after we settled that,
I went to the other question
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of pluralism, which
says that all the religions
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are really the same in value.
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It didn't seem possible,
but when I looked into it,
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yeah, that's
what they were saying.
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It didn't pan
out from the writings
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of the different religions.
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So when I saw that I realized,
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"Well, let's look at
the religions themselves,"
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and then the test
or the examination
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of these five
great world religions,
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Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism,
Judaism and Christianity.
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So that is the
thumbnail of all the things
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that we did in
13 series sessions.
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And you
mentioned a certain things
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that didn't pan out.
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And I know part of
your name is Pan or Pandit,
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Pandit or Pundit?
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Pandit.
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And you've done a little,
sort of, a tongue in cheek,
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where you've created a term
for a process that you have...
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Now that you believe in.
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Just explain that
a little bit to us?
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I used that
process in my search.
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It's called the Pan process.
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Pan means going across
like the Pan American Airlines
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or the Pan African Games.
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You don't stay on one side.
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In other words, whenever
there is a controversial topic,
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look at both, not just one.
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So you go across.
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Pan also refers to the
process of sifting like those
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who pan for gold
during the gold rush.
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That's the process
in which you move away
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from the ordinary and
keep the special nuggets,
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in this case,
nuggets of knowledge.
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And the third was
what you just mentioned,
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the first three letters
of my family name Pandit.
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That's because, I
really formulated that
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because I wanted to be
fair in what I was doing
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so that it would give me
satisfaction that what I did
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was really balanced and fair.
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So the Pan process
looks at any option out there
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that people can bring, and
we look at all the theories
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and look at them equally.
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Okay.
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So you look at,
such as the theory
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or the belief in
the existence of God
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and then you look at the
pros and the cons, right?
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You look at both sides
and you do the same thing
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with atheism pros and cons
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and you put it
all out on the table.
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And you explore
the different options
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and take a close look at them?
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That's exactly.
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And once you see that
there's at least one thing
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you'll have to
agree that the attempt
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is to be absolutely
fair and even balanced.
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Okay.
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And in your books you mentioned,
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and we've discussed
this that bias is a big issue
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in one's ability to candidly
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look at the options.
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Just comment on
that a little bit?
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Well, it's common.
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And the best thing to do
when something is that common
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is to acknowledge it.
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So once you confess that
you are bias, you address it.
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And the way you address
it is to say, "Actually,
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I don't want to be biased."
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And so we make a
conscious decision
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of not being biased
but that's not easy.
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So I formulated the next step.
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If you really want to
stay as an inquirer who is even
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and fair, then you need help
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and what you need, and
the factors that help you
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are four, humility, honesty,
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calmness and respect.
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If we employ all these
four, I think we'll get
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to the closest point of
being as unbiased as possible.
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As possible, and
we can make progress.
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Yes.
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In an honest discussion without,
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you know, having to
bang each other over the head
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because we don't
agree with each other.
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We can try to
put our biases aside
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and we can have an
honest humble conversation.
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And if you speak
to one, he knows that
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you are
attempting to be unbiased,
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so he respects and
gives you credibility.
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Talk to us a little
bit about Charles Darwin.
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I know you mentioned,
you talked about Darwin
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in your book, your
first book, especially.
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And I read that book twice.
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There was so much
information and we know,
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everybody knows that
Darwin is a major force
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when it comes to
the issue of evolution.
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And I found some of the things
that you said were extremely,
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just enlightening.
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So just talk to us
a little about Darwin?
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First of all, Charles
Darwin, we should give him
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the credit that is due to him.
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He honestly wanted
to be a true scientist.
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He tried to put
things together in such a way
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that it would
make scientific sense.
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And so if you read
the book, and by the way
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I have read that
book at least six times
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before I started
even jotting down
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my comments on that book.
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And that's Origin of Species.
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Origin of Species,
because it's not easy
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to go through it
with just one reading,
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you go through it
and read it again.
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I read it about
five or six times.
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I appreciated his
attempt at being a scientist.
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If you read the book,
he will clearly tell you
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this is what he means to find.
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This is what he
was setting out to do
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and this is what he did not do.
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In the book, the
point really being
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that as a scientist
he really put that down.
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So if we today read it,
we should be able to see
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what he was trying to do
and what he was unable to do.
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The problem today is
that people take the place
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that, the point that
he was not able to do,
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and state that he did it.
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And what was that point?
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The point was that he stated
very clearly that he wanted
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all the classification,
the biological classification
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to have occurred by itself.
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That was his aim,
and he got it from
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his own work in
breeding experiments.
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And he bred a lot of stuff.
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I mean horses and pigeons
and sheep, and even plants.
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And from that he realized
that you could possibly get
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a form or an organism
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that was better
than the previous one
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by just interbreeding.
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So he
extrapolated that and said,
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"Oh, that is what
happens in nature.
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So if that happens in nature,
well, we don't need God at all
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to do anything out there."
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However, he really
believed that there was
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a supernatural being
because the last sentence
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in his book, the last sentence,
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he is making a confession
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as to how life
came on this earth.
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And he says,
"Maybe that first organism
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had life breathed
into it by the Creator."
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That's amazing for a person
who we now call as a person
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who clearly
shows there is no God.
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No, he did believe in
God. He did believe in God.
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And you mentioned a little
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while ago as we
were talking privately
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that the place of his
burial is significant as well.
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Yes, he was.
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He's buried today
in Westminster Abbey.
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That's the Church of England.
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The fact is he went
to church every week.
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He was a good church goer.
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And he wrote to
one of his friends
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saying that when he
does his experiments here,
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he has one frame of mind.
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But when he
looks up into the sky
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and into the whole
universe and cosmos, he says,
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"Hard to believe
that it came by itself."
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In fact, he says,
"It compels him to look
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to a first cause that had a mind
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that was similar
to a human mind."
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And he says,
"Well, if that's the case,
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I deserve to be
called a believer."
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And you explore more of
this in the 13 Part Series?
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More of what he
really says, and especially
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whether what he says can meet
the criteria of it being truly
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a scientific theory.
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You mean the movement
from selective breeding
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to natural selection?
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Oh, yeah, that's
a really big point
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because he says in breeding,
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he established the
absolute importance
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of the presence of the breeder.
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Then when he goes to the nature,
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inexplicably, he
leaves out the breeder.
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There is no breeder
there. So that was my question.
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Did you find the
breeder out there?
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And when you
read the whole book,
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actually there is no breeder.
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He puts natural selection
in the place of the breeder
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but a breeder is
alive and he can think
00:17:40.16\00:17:43.16
and take action and choose.
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Natural selection is
just a... is an idea.
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An Idea doesn't have life
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and make
perceptions and conceptions.
00:17:51.80\00:17:55.07
So that was I thought
a big drawback to the way
00:17:55.10\00:17:59.94
in which he tried to
put those two together.
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Okay. Now you've done...
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As you mentioned,
you've done a lot of traveling.
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Where have your travels taken
00:18:05.71\00:18:07.28
you as you've
discussed these issues?
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My main audience
has been actually
00:18:09.85\00:18:12.55
on secular university campuses.
00:18:12.59\00:18:17.49
I speak to mixed
audiences of all kinds of people
00:18:17.53\00:18:20.63
when they come, and
we have a good work.
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So I have been to
quite a few universities.
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Such as?
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Such as, well, Boston claims
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that is the intellectual
capital of the world,
00:18:31.21\00:18:33.61
and I've been there eight times.
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Four times to MIT, it's
arguably one of the best
00:18:35.61\00:18:40.02
technological
universities in the world.
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We still have Nobel
Laureates coming out from there.
00:18:41.98\00:18:45.35
Harvard, Duke, UNC Chapel Hill,
00:18:45.39\00:18:49.86
Michigan Tech, Georgia Tech,
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University of Florida
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and now to the West to
UC Davis in California.
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So I've been all
over the United States,
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and also around the
world, been to five continents
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on just invitation mainly
to the university campuses.
00:19:03.64\00:19:07.98
So how do you get
invited to these campuses?
00:19:08.01\00:19:11.21
Well, most of the
places they have student clubs,
00:19:11.25\00:19:14.28
which are
connected and registered
00:19:14.32\00:19:16.35
with the university.
00:19:16.38\00:19:17.72
And student clubs are
allowed to call whatever,
00:19:17.75\00:19:20.92
whoever they
want to as speakers.
00:19:20.96\00:19:22.49
And so, when they
have heard about me,
00:19:22.52\00:19:26.49
they call me as a
speaker to these student clubs
00:19:26.53\00:19:29.06
and they call the other students
00:19:29.10\00:19:30.83
to come and hear me.
00:19:30.87\00:19:32.20
And you told me
that what you enjoy most
00:19:32.23\00:19:34.20
about those discussions
is not just your lecture
00:19:34.24\00:19:36.84
but it's the Q and A.
00:19:36.87\00:19:38.21
Q and A is the
place where you can have
00:19:38.24\00:19:40.64
a real back and forth.
00:19:40.68\00:19:43.45
And I enjoy that the most
because that's where the people
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ask their real questions.
00:19:46.75\00:19:48.68
And I just enjoy
being asked a question,
00:19:48.72\00:19:52.75
whether I can answer it or
not because it makes me think.
00:19:52.79\00:19:57.09
And that's what I
keep telling them.
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In fact, the
most common response
00:19:58.53\00:20:02.20
when I have finished my seminar
at the university campuses,
00:20:02.23\00:20:06.33
they will come up and tell
me, "Man, you made me think."
00:20:06.37\00:20:09.90
And I say, "Good,
that's all I want you to do."
00:20:09.94\00:20:12.77
Can you share any just
quick interesting experience?
00:20:12.81\00:20:16.61
Yeah. I was at MIT.
00:20:16.64\00:20:20.58
We had a discussion
with the atheistic club.
00:20:20.62\00:20:23.28
They sent their representative
and he wanted a debate.
00:20:23.32\00:20:28.42
I usually prefer
to have a discussion.
00:20:28.46\00:20:30.29
He said a debate.
So I said, "Okay."
00:20:30.33\00:20:32.03
He spoke for half an hour.
00:20:32.06\00:20:33.40
I spoke for half an hour,
00:20:33.43\00:20:34.86
and then we
questioned each other
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and then we threw open
the discussion to the floor.
00:20:36.40\00:20:39.87
There was a Chinese girl,
who had just come from China,
00:20:39.90\00:20:43.27
joined MIT, who
in her background
00:20:43.30\00:20:46.04
was a complete total atheist,
00:20:46.07\00:20:48.54
did not even know how
to describe God at all.
00:20:48.58\00:20:53.01
And she had come
there being confused about
00:20:53.05\00:20:56.55
why people in
America go to church?
00:20:56.58\00:20:58.69
And why do they pray to God?
00:20:58.72\00:21:02.26
Well, she came to
the discussion we had,
00:21:02.29\00:21:05.29
the actual debate,
and she was one of the,
00:21:05.33\00:21:07.66
in the audience.
00:21:07.70\00:21:09.06
And when it was
all over, she said,
00:21:09.10\00:21:11.03
"I want to speak
to him," meaning me.
00:21:11.07\00:21:12.80
She came and sat down and said,
00:21:12.83\00:21:14.17
"You know I've been
an atheist my whole life.
00:21:14.20\00:21:17.17
In fact, I did not even know
00:21:17.21\00:21:19.34
the words to use
to ask my questions.
00:21:19.37\00:21:23.01
And when I was sitting here,
you were putting on the screen
00:21:23.04\00:21:25.98
the very questions I
had and you answered them."
00:21:26.01\00:21:29.18
And then she
looked at me and she said,
00:21:29.22\00:21:31.09
"I am no longer an atheist
00:21:31.12\00:21:33.05
because the points you made
seem credible and reasonable."
00:21:33.09\00:21:36.69
Wow! Yeah.
00:21:36.73\00:21:40.10
There's no question in my mind
00:21:40.13\00:21:41.46
that this man has
a lot of expertise.
00:21:41.50\00:21:43.30
He knows what
he's talking about.
00:21:43.33\00:21:44.93
His two books
are very, very clear
00:21:44.97\00:21:47.87
on the information that he has,
00:21:47.90\00:21:49.80
and this
information is very valuable.
00:21:49.84\00:21:51.94
And just to let you
know that we've just...
00:21:51.97\00:21:54.01
Subodh has just recorded
a 13 Part television series
00:21:54.04\00:21:58.15
that deals with many issues
00:21:58.18\00:22:00.45
just like what you've gotten,
00:22:00.48\00:22:01.82
a little window into his heart,
00:22:01.85\00:22:04.55
and what these
discussions are all about.
00:22:04.59\00:22:06.86
This series is
available for people
00:22:06.89\00:22:09.42
to watch
anywhere around the world
00:22:09.46\00:22:10.99
for a very
inexpensive price on the website
00:22:11.03\00:22:14.00
godfactorfiction.com
00:22:14.03\00:22:16.53
We also have this
series available on DVD.
00:22:16.56\00:22:20.70
And then we also have his books
00:22:20.74\00:22:22.50
that are available
from White Horse Media.
00:22:22.54\00:22:24.11
And we just want to invite
those that are interested,
00:22:24.14\00:22:28.38
those that are searching,
those who have questions,
00:22:28.41\00:22:31.35
those who want to find out more
00:22:31.38\00:22:34.05
about what this
fascinating person
00:22:34.08\00:22:37.45
has to say.
00:22:37.49\00:22:39.19
Subodh Pandit, the president
of Search International...
00:22:39.22\00:22:43.76
Seminars Internationals
00:22:43.79\00:22:45.13
Search Seminars
Internationals, yes.
00:22:45.16\00:22:47.80
And so, we know we
just encourage you,
00:22:47.83\00:22:50.20
if you're interested
00:22:50.23\00:22:51.57
to check out
godfactorfiction.com
00:22:51.60\00:22:54.67
Subodh, do you have anything
00:22:54.70\00:22:56.30
that you want to say to...
00:22:56.34\00:22:58.64
Just you and the
audience that are watching this,
00:22:58.67\00:23:02.44
to encourage them to
check out the series,
00:23:02.48\00:23:04.91
check out your books or
just give you, you know,
00:23:04.95\00:23:07.98
the time of day to
have a chance to share?
00:23:08.02\00:23:11.75
You know, this is
what I would tell you.
00:23:11.79\00:23:14.46
Don't ever be
afraid of searching out
00:23:14.49\00:23:17.96
for the truth of any matter.
00:23:17.99\00:23:19.39
It doesn't matter
00:23:19.43\00:23:20.76
whether it's a big
question or a small question.
00:23:20.80\00:23:24.03
Look for what will
impress you the most.
00:23:24.07\00:23:27.87
Make a little base
in which you will say,
00:23:27.90\00:23:31.17
"Okay, if it is
this, then I will believe.
00:23:31.21\00:23:33.38
If it is that, well,
00:23:33.41\00:23:34.74
I will reduce the
credibility over there."
00:23:34.78\00:23:36.75
Do not ever be
afraid of searching
00:23:36.78\00:23:39.95
and continuing to search
00:23:39.98\00:23:41.82
because if you do that,
then your own mind will expand
00:23:41.85\00:23:45.89
and you will come
across information
00:23:45.92\00:23:48.16
that will affect your
mind and your whole life.
00:23:48.19\00:23:51.89
I believe anyone
who really wants to know
00:23:51.93\00:23:54.50
the truth of the
matter will come to it
00:23:54.53\00:23:57.60
if you take
simple, reasonable steps,
00:23:57.63\00:24:01.24
so do that and I will wish you,
00:24:01.27\00:24:04.77
may the source of truth
00:24:04.81\00:24:07.64
guide you to the
point of fulfillment
00:24:07.68\00:24:10.38
in whatever your search is.
00:24:10.41\00:24:13.21
Thank you and one more question.
00:24:13.25\00:24:15.95
The conclusions
that you've come to,
00:24:15.98\00:24:18.09
you know, what have
they done for you personally?
00:24:18.12\00:24:21.89
Have they benefited your life?
00:24:21.92\00:24:25.26
Have they made you a
happier person, more content?
00:24:25.29\00:24:28.46
That's an amazing
and good question to ask.
00:24:28.50\00:24:33.80
The reason I kept on
doing it, because at every step
00:24:33.84\00:24:37.11
I would come across
certain bits of information
00:24:37.14\00:24:40.68
that really affected my life.
00:24:40.71\00:24:43.18
It will affect anyone.
00:24:43.21\00:24:45.68
If you're an inquirer
00:24:45.71\00:24:47.78
and you come to a
place where you say,
00:24:47.82\00:24:49.28
"Ah, this is it."
00:24:49.32\00:24:52.35
You'll feel so fulfilled.
00:24:52.39\00:24:54.76
You really want to go
to the next one as well.
00:24:54.79\00:24:57.63
And so at every step, it
was something affecting me.
00:24:57.66\00:25:00.73
So finally, when I
did come to a place
00:25:00.76\00:25:02.70
where I could say, "Ah,
00:25:02.73\00:25:05.13
so this is the answer
to that question I had."
00:25:05.17\00:25:08.20
When I realized that I
want to jump out of my chair.
00:25:08.24\00:25:10.47
It was so exciting.
00:25:10.51\00:25:12.07
And even today
when I think back,
00:25:12.11\00:25:14.21
I said, "Hey,
that's the way to live."
00:25:14.24\00:25:16.61
And so, I have
reached some places,
00:25:16.64\00:25:19.65
I still have places to go.
00:25:19.68\00:25:21.02
Yeah.
00:25:21.05\00:25:22.38
Well, you look like
a very happy person.
00:25:22.42\00:25:23.89
I am immensely
pleased with the...
00:25:23.92\00:25:25.99
And actually a
sense of contentment
00:25:26.02\00:25:29.62
because now here's a
base on which you can build.
00:25:29.66\00:25:33.23
In other word,
a firm foundation.
00:25:33.26\00:25:36.46
A firm foundation is
00:25:36.50\00:25:37.83
so important to
live in these times
00:25:37.87\00:25:40.24
when everything seems
to be chaotic everywhere.
00:25:40.27\00:25:42.57
That's right, and
there's so many people.
00:25:42.60\00:25:44.17
I just read a recent
news story about a couple.
00:25:44.21\00:25:48.44
They were friends in their 20s
I believe or maybe early 30s.
00:25:48.48\00:25:52.51
And they both took
their lives together
00:25:52.55\00:25:55.82
in a hotel room
and they left a note.
00:25:55.85\00:25:57.59
They left a tip
for the house cleaner,
00:25:57.62\00:25:59.65
a note that said,
00:25:59.69\00:26:01.02
"Don't come into this
room because if you do
00:26:01.06\00:26:03.06
you'll find us that we're dead."
00:26:03.09\00:26:05.49
And one of the reasons
in the news reports listed
00:26:05.53\00:26:09.06
was that they were
both deeply depressed.
00:26:09.10\00:26:11.60
And if you just
look at this world,
00:26:11.63\00:26:12.97
you know, people are depressed,
00:26:13.00\00:26:14.54
they're
discouraged, they're confused,
00:26:14.57\00:26:17.51
and if there was ever a time
00:26:17.54\00:26:19.44
when hope is needed
00:26:19.47\00:26:22.24
and that's when you
have to talk about is hope.
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It's now.
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So what if there really is a God
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who loves you and
really wishes the best for you?
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If He's a King on this earth,
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we'd say, "Hey, wow, wonderful."
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He's not just a King, He's God.
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So in other words,
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the attributes of
His are omnipotent,
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that means all powerful.
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He knows everything.
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He has everything in His hands.
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If He's loving and
He is on your side,
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your life is just stable.
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That's right. Well, thank you.
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