In the 23rd chapter of Proverbs
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verses one and
two the Bible states
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"When thou sittest
to eat with a ruler,
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consider
diligently what is before thee
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and put a knife to thy throat,
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if thou be a man
given to appetite."
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Now that sounds pretty serious
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when you consider
the word appetite.
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It's the Hebrew word nephesh
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which is often
translated as creature,
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life or soul in the Bible.
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When the Bible speaks of
soul it's referring to breath.
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Is the Bible saying that a man
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should put a knife to his throat
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if he eats
something that is a creature
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with breath AKA a soul?
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Well, welcome to
"From Sickness to Health,"
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I am Rico Hill your host
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and this is my co--
host the blue guy, Sickness.
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And today I guarantee you
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he is not going to
enjoy the topic that we have
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because we're
talking about soul food.
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And I guarantee
you I love soul food,
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because I got plenty
of soul, brother man.
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Okay, you
shouldn't talk like this.
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I love using soul food.
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I like fried chicken, let's see
we got neck bones with gravies,
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smothered
chicken and chitterlings.
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It's pronounced chitlins.
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Chitterlings and
gravy, corn bread,
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catfish and colored greens.
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Man, you're way
off. It's collard greens.
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No, no, it's colored green.
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See you put some
pig feed in there
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and some ham hog
and some red hot sauce
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and then it
becomes colored greens.
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Well, the Bible
says that any man
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who does all of
that should take a knife
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and put it to his throat.
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Well, then you better
get millions of knives
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for all of my
friends who love soul food.
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And you're gonna need some forks
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and some hot sauce
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because we ain't
giving up tradition.
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Well, today stick around
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we're gonna avoid all
the knives all together,
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because we're gonna dig
into the subject of soul food.
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Preach, brother man. Roll it.
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Thank you for joining us here
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in the studio of
"From Sickness to Health."
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I'm your host as you know
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and today we have a
lively discussion for you
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but before we get into
this discussion about soul food
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I want you to say
hello once again to our
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co-- host of sorts
Sickness, the blue guy.
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He is at a remote location
and say hello to the folks.
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Hello, everyone.
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All right, he is gonna go
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and he is gonna
stir up something,
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I think he's got something
cooking up at another location
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so we're gonna say bye to him.
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But we want to say
hello to our in studio guest
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we have with us
today Dr. Ivan Luis
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who is a naturopathic doctor.
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She's also the general
manager of Dare to Dream Network
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and she joins us today.
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Thank you for being
here. Thank you for having me.
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Next to her is Dr.
Thomas Jackson a friend,
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a mentor of mine
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and he is a doctor of
natural health sciences
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and he is also the director of
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Meet Ministry of
Huntingdon, Tennessee.
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Welcome to the
program today. Thank you.
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Along with him by
his side is by his side
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as you like to say
is Dr. Laverne Jackson
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who is also a
doctor in her own right.
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She is a doctor
of na- what is it?
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Nutritional sciences. Sciences.
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Yes. Nutritional sciences.
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So we're gonna talk
about all these wonderful thing
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as it relates to the soul food.
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Soul food, something that has
come to us through tradition.
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Tradition why?
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Because it come
through the trans--
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Atlantic slave trade.
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As it came down
through-- -- through the ages
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it has evolved into something
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that really has been
doing a lot of damage
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and causing
quite a bit of sickness
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and diseases to our people.
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So today we want to get in to it
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and we want to
dispel some of the myths,
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some of the misunderstandings,
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some of the misconceptions
as it relates to the soul food.
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That's right.
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I know you guys
are dying to jump in
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but hold on a
second we want to be fair
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and balanced we want to give
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Sickness an
opportunity to kind of show us
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what he's been working with
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in his own
perspective on soul food.
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Let's take a look. Hello, Rico.
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I'm in a soul food restaurant
where science is showing
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that a lot of these
things can lead to sickness.
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So needless to say this
is one of my favorite places.
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Now take your typical kitchen
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where you can find
dangerous things like
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toxic chemicals, nasty bacteria
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or even some of
your vegan nut loaf.
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Now these things
are dangerous, trust me.
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But there is something
even more dangerous than those.
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That is tradition and
tradition is a dangerous thing.
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It can harm
religion, diet, food,
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I mean it will hurt
your body and your soul.
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And on that note
let's take soul food.
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You see, soul food is
high in fat, high in salt,
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high in calories, high in sugar.
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It leads to high medical bills,
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okay, and it's
just dangerous stuff.
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And what a lot of
people don't know is,
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its been passed down
from one of the worst evils
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in United States
history, slavery.
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Now I know many people celebrate
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a great Sunday
tradition every week.
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Getting together,
eating some soul food.
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It's killing them.
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And hey, it's bad for
them but good for sickness.
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So you can see
where I'm at on decisions.
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And hey, back to you, Rico.
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Pass the salt and the hot sauce.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yummy, this is gonna be good.
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Well, then you can see
we've got a problem, don't we?
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Well, let's talk about this.
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We see the Sickness
is there at a restaurant
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and he has some soul food.
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Now where-- what
are we talking about
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when we are
talking about soul food?
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We saw the fried chicken there,
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we saw-- I think I saw some
collard greens there, right?
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Yes. There was some corn bread.
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There were lot of things there
but what are we talking about
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when we talk about soul food?
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What is soul food?
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You know, what I was
thinking about soul food,
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the word soul really is a
word that was only attached
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to this particular
food in the late 60s.
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So it's really what we
call down home southern
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cooking in the rural south
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because the word soul
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doing the rise of
the civil rights movement
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and the Black
Nationalism movement.
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We have what we call
souls brothers and soul sisters,
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we had soul music
and even as we coming up
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we have soul train.
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And so the word soul
was added in order to give
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some type of identity to
the African-American culture.
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But some said you
know probably in 1969
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there was a Black
civil right leader
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or poet by the
name of Amiri Baraka.
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That gave it the really
they nailed in the sure place
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and called it the soul food.
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So I just want to
give that word soul,
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now we can move into the area,
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what does it consist of?
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What does it consists of?
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Dr. Laverne Jackson,
what does it consists of?
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What's in soul food?
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Sickness said fried
chicken. Fried chicken.
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Colored greens. Collard greens.
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Now what is a colored
green? He said color--
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I just wanted to have
some implication there.
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Well, yes.
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Anyway colored
greens, collard greens sorry
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and we have macaroni and cheese.
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Mac and cheese. You
have sweet potatoes.
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There's nothing
wrong with sweet potatoes?
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Nothing is wrong with them
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but that was part of
the tradition as well.
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And then some of the
least expensive meats,
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which we maybe need
to talk little bit about.
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We will. Yes.
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And we talk about like
chitterlings which is--
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Chitterlings.
What is chitterlings?
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What are chitterlings?
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Lot of people don't
know what chitterlings are.
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Worst things in a way--
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But you used to
eat those though.
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No, I don't eat them.
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Well, you know, I
used to eat those.
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Oh, yeah.
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It was a tradition on
coming up for New Year's Day.
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You had to have
some chitterlings--
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It brings good luck
they say. Well, yeah.
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We bring some luck
but it's like sickness.
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You know, what's
interesting is that
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when we talk
about and you said it,
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you said the most--
the least expensive meats.
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We're talking about like
chitterlings you mentioned.
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We're talking about
pig feed. That's right.
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These are not expensive
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and from the
traditional standpoint
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we are talking about
foods during the time of slavery
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that the master did not want.
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That's right. Right?
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And the women who were
closely associated with--
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with making the
meals of the slaves,
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who were burning about 300
calories a day working all day
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they had to do
something that was economic,
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something that was in abundance
and they chose these foods
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but why do we
still have them today?
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Why do we have them
today? Goes back to tradition.
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Tradition. Back to tradition.
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We're stuck in a rut.
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You know and we can't--
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we have the
sickness to prove it.
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We're the
forerunners of disease.
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All this
different chronic diseases
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like cancer like diabetes
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like hypertension all these
chronic diseases are in part
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because of our tradition.
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Can I get a word in?
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Okay.
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It's the blue
man. Let's go to him.
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He has something
to comment on here.
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What do you have for us?
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Yeah, on that note,
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look it was
tradition and soul food
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that got an
entire race of people
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through some
very difficult times.
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Now all this talk
about so it causes diabetes
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and cancer and
high blood pressure,
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high cholesterol, shorting life.
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That's extreme, my
brother, very extreme.
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Thank you for your comment,
but let's deal with that.
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Extreme?
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Well, tell us what is extreme?
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What is extreme?
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I mean if we're saying that,
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you know, tradition is something
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that we should uphold
even at the expense of...
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Health. Health.
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That's right.
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That is extreme, isn't it?
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Mr. Blue, but has
something that's true.
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However they say the
extreme is not extreme
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when you have--
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tri you know
tri-bypass-- triple bypass.
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Triple.
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Is not extreme when there's
you know clogged arteries
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and we talk about embolism.
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It's not extreme
when you find those
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who are being
controlled by tradition,
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leading the world--
within America a breast cancer,
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a prostate cancer
or high blood pressure
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and I can go back to
my personal experience
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because you know soul food
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as I mentioned definitely
the soul is the adjective
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that describe this tradition
that was brought in slavery
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then transitioned here into
American in the rural south.
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But I remember when I
was clinical diagnosed
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at the age of 17
with rheumatoid arthritis
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and that started from 17
to 27, would start my pursuit
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as a professional
basketball player.
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And I grew up on
tradition soul food
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and so my people had
arthritis, blood pressure
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and I remember my doctor saying,
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you know, you-- you
inherit this condition,
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and I thought for a moment
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this been over close
to 50 some years ago.
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And he said, you know,
there's no know cause for,
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there's no remedy for,
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you've to live with it
for the rest of your life.
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But when I began to
recognize some principles
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from the Word of
God and especially
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when you read in
the Book of Matthew
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and how the Pharisees
hailed on to their traditions.
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And I began to do some
research about this tradition
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because God also
said in Exodus 20 that,
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you know, you'll suffer as
a result of your forefathers.
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They talk about
generation curse.
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So I began to trace my problem.
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And I remember
in the introduction
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that Proverbs 23 and
it talks about, you know,
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if you give in to appetite
put a knife to your throat.
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So my people ate
the traditional food.
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The ham hock,
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I mean we could not eat
color or collard greens.
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That's right.
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Without ham
hocks, without fatback,
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we will eat not the big--
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I mean we would
actually eat the fat,
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I mean the fat of the pig and--
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and cook it in the grease.
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In the lot that was
reused over and over again.
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Because it
would give you flavor.
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It would give I
mean-- Flavor to the food.
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It was the taste,
fat brings flavor.
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Fat thing brings flavor.
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It gives you flavor too.
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Without fat, you
know, you don't want that.
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Without fat you don't want that.
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You know what I felt?
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Let's put this into prospective.
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So we're talking about
foods that are inexpensive.
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Right?
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But they're
high in fat. Correct.
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They are high
in sodium. Correct.
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They are high in cholesterol.
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Sometimes lot a time sugar,
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we're talking
about sweet potato.
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Nothing wrong with sweet potato.
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But when you
make sweet potato pie,
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which I love by the way--
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Me too.
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Love it, however when
you got white refined sugar
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then it makes for a
pro-inflammatory situation
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and that's really
what we're talking about.
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That's what we're talking about.
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How does the food
affect us physiologically?
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That's right.
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What is it
doing to our arteries?
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What is it doing to our bones?
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He had diagnosed at
17 rheumatoid arthritis.
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Now that's a
debilitating disease,
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that's a deforming disease.
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At 17. At 17.
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So we see that generationally
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talking about
tradition it was passed on,
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so it wasn't so much
what was genetically--
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Genetic, that's right.
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It was more about what--
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Lifestyle. Was on the plate.
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Lifestyle-- That
was on the plate.
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Was being passed
on. That's right.
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For-- you were
about to say something.
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We have to begin to
make this connection
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between what we eat
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and how we are
fairing physiologically.
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And a lot of times these foods
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you've mentioned
setup internal conditions
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that are pro-inflammatory.
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So then you have the arthritis
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and the stiffness in the joints.
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Then you have
the clogged arteries.
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And you don't really realize
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it's because that fatback
that comes out of slavery.
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Corn and fatback were
the staples of slavery.
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And it was in everything.
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That's where we get the
grits from you know grinding--
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Grits. Grinding the grits.
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We had that this morning.
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Fish and grits. Fish and grits.
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Right or you know I mean
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you could take
the chicken and grits,
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you know, smother
with gravy and all that.
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But all of that leads
to internal conditions
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that are disease promoting and--
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and as was
mentioned another time
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we can turn on
that P53 cancer gene
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or turn it off with food.
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That's right. Yes.
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So the food that we
eat sets us up for illness
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and the slaves weren't all well.
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The slaves were sick themselves
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with-- from all that corn,
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vitamin B deficiencies,
all of those things.
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So our tradition that we
have set up has made us sick.
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And that's what
we're talking about today.
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And when we say made us sick
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we're talking about in
the African-American community
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we lead in almost every single
chronicle lifestyle disease.
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We're talking cancer,
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we're talking about high
blood pressure, diabetes.
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We're talking
about heart disease,
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you know
sometimes the first symptom
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of heart disease is what?
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Death. Death.
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A heart attack. Heart attack.
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And we're seeing this in younger
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and younger and younger.
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So this is
affecting our communities
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as result of the foods.
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Now I want to show a video clip.
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And in this video clip
it puts it into prospective
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and people are
starting to wake up
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and we really in this program
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we want to really take
them into the next level
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and thinking to
have a paradigm shift.
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Let's take a look at
that video on soul foods.
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Excuse us take
this-- Paper fried chicken.
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I eat comfort food.
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You know, you eat and
it makes you feel better.
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Good Lord, good meat.
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Come on let's eat, Hallelujah.
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Soul food is a
repository for our history.
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And soul food represents Black.
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The best moments of
the black freedom struggle
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we have organizations
like Black Panthers,
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they understood the
relationship between
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developing a black
nation and having healthy diet.
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In the nation of Islam
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we have referred
to a soul food diet
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as a slave diet.
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There are so many mythologies
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that have
accreted on to the idea
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what black people were eating
during the time of slavery.
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Soul, you call it death
food 'cause it will kill you.
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Hey, how you doing?
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Come and eat here.
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It's almost like you eat,
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you get big you go to
college get your education,
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you get your diabetes,
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you get your hyper
pressure and you die.
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The most important thing
is that people complicate
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their understanding
of what soul food is,
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because it is easy to say
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that it is bane of
African-American health.
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The bigger cause of the
kind of African-American health
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is industrialization
of the food system.
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In this
supermarket in my neighborhood
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I see vegetables that look like
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they having a nervous breakdown.
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But they are asking
people for regular price for it.
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In America there is a fast phase
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of haute in the food system.
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And if you live in
low end communities
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there's often very
little healthy food.
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You want to wipe out an
entire generation of people
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when you want to engage
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in the kind of
21st century genocide,
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all you have to
do is continue do
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what we're doing
which is put people
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of excess to healthy food.
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Wow, we've got
to talk about this.
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So we saw here this
brings an whole another element,
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it talks about
in the communities
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there's no access--
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That's right. To certain food.
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That say it. There is no access.
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I think they call
them food deserts.
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Food deserts.
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An area where there is no access
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to healthy fresh fruits
and vegetables, produce.
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And produce play a
huge part of soul food
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but I like what the sister says,
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she says she has
seen some vegetables
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look like they already
have a nervous breakdown.
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And they are breaking down.
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And if they have
a nervous breakdown,
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they have you break down.
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Is that right? That's correct.
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Because they have no nutrients
when they are like that.
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We went into a community once
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and we asked where's
the vegetables that are--
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what we call healthy looking?
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Where are the one's that
don't have decay on them?
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And the owner said,
this is what we have.
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And that was it. That was it.
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You either take
this or you leave it.
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So you know what
we did? We left it.
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You know there's a
thought come to mind,
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food desert and
accessibility of food.
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A question just to us,
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why is that then
within the African community
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that there's no
accessibility to,
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or no provision of these
quality foods in the cities?
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You know, is there
some pathology to that,
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there some
political, there some economics.
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You know, when I was
brought up in Chicago,
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you can tell the
difference between
00:19:53.33\00:19:55.99
African-American community
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and a non
African-American community
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by the advertisement
on the grocery store.
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And where we will find you know
an African-American community
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you'll have the chitterlings
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and you have those types of food
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but you move to a
non-- And pig feet.
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And you move to a non
African-American community
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you might just have pork chops,
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you don't have chitterlings.
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And so what is it that
creates this environment,
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why there is not the food
00:20:22.16\00:20:24.10
that you find in a non
African-American community
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of that has
accessible to quality food.
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Are you
following what I'm saying?
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And it's not in the
African-American community.
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Do we have that
so or is it economics
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or is it because people
have come to a conclusion
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this is the way
African-Americans are.
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The way they want to eat
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and they don't have
any really conscience
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about taking
ownership into their health,
00:20:45.27\00:20:47.65
because food is
just for pleasure,
00:20:47.68\00:20:49.30
as the lady is for pleasure
but we never think in terms
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what it does to our bodies?
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That's right.
00:20:53.67\00:20:54.70
So you raised a
very good question.
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You're asking a question
is the issue with access is it
00:20:56.29\00:21:00.06
because we have been perceive
00:21:00.09\00:21:03.90
as this is the
food that they like?
00:21:03.93\00:21:06.19
That's right. This
is what we'll sell them.
00:21:06.22\00:21:07.77
That's right. Or is it--
00:21:07.80\00:21:09.62
Is it something else, political,
00:21:09.65\00:21:11.04
is this something
that's been withheld
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or is it just you know
again coming back to tradition.
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Tradition.
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So there seems to be or
need for paradigm shift.
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Right. And I am thinking--
00:21:21.31\00:21:22.83
Yes. Education.
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And that's what
educate, educate, educate
00:21:24.13\00:21:25.17
so we want to talk a
little bit about in the time
00:21:25.20\00:21:28.18
that we have left,
00:21:28.21\00:21:29.24
because we don't want to
just talk about you know it's--
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Sickness.
00:21:32.17\00:21:33.21
Its sickness and
what it does to us.
00:21:33.24\00:21:35.09
What can we do about it?
00:21:35.12\00:21:36.21
How can we begin to
continue to have this food
00:21:36.24\00:21:39.44
because again to the point
00:21:39.47\00:21:41.58
nothing wrong with
the collard greens.
00:21:41.61\00:21:43.27
Nothing wrong
with the sweet potato.
00:21:43.30\00:21:46.77
Yes. Right?
00:21:46.80\00:21:47.83
Nothing wrong with
the black eyed peas.
00:21:47.86\00:21:49.14
Black eye peas. That's correct.
00:21:49.17\00:21:50.23
Healthy, right? And its--
00:21:50.26\00:21:51.60
Yeah, I was gonna say in fact,
00:21:51.63\00:21:52.83
it's not only that there
is nothing wrong with it,
00:21:52.86\00:21:54.85
they are health promoting.
00:21:54.88\00:21:56.30
Come on.
00:21:56.33\00:21:57.38
It's what we do with
them that's the question.
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How we prepare--
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That diminishes
its nutritional value.
00:22:00.60\00:22:02.36
Absolute. Neutralize.
00:22:02.39\00:22:04.22
Neutralizes,
that's the better word.
00:22:04.25\00:22:06.15
Neutralizes the
nutritional value so--
00:22:06.18\00:22:08.40
so okay, let's just say
00:22:08.43\00:22:10.20
we're talking directly
to people who are like okay,
00:22:10.23\00:22:12.01
hi, we may have the holidays.
00:22:12.04\00:22:14.19
We get to the
holidays right and--
00:22:14.22\00:22:16.18
and people gonna
have their collard greens,
00:22:16.21\00:22:18.53
they are gonna have their
black eyed peas and so forth.
00:22:18.56\00:22:20.60
What can they do to
still have their greens?
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Well, these are
the best that there is.
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Now how you prepare them
is what makes the difference.
00:22:27.98\00:22:31.71
We talked about
that lard in the can
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we do away with that.
00:22:34.68\00:22:36.00
And we have here,
00:22:36.03\00:22:37.57
if you look here on top
here let me just show you this.
00:22:37.60\00:22:42.73
And this may be
something new to the community
00:22:42.76\00:22:46.40
but it's called a leek.
00:22:46.43\00:22:49.80
And leeks are excellent
in seasoning of these greens.
00:22:49.83\00:22:54.58
Instead of using the
lard we can use these.
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Wait a minute, so when
you put lard in the greens
00:22:57.71\00:23:00.08
the greens are gonna
have some fat content.
00:23:00.11\00:23:02.30
Oh, yes.
00:23:02.33\00:23:03.42
Right, it's gonna have some
flavor content from the fat.
00:23:03.45\00:23:05.19
But you're
saying put a vegetable
00:23:05.22\00:23:06.59
this probably
sounding strange to people.
00:23:06.62\00:23:08.09
A vegetable in the greens
and it's gonna have that same?
00:23:08.12\00:23:10.53
Yes, yes.
00:23:10.56\00:23:11.60
It's just like
when people take garlic
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they take the
onions and they saute them.
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When you saute them in
water, it gives oil from that.
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So when you
saute-- It releases that.
00:23:22.74\00:23:24.48
It releases that--
00:23:24.51\00:23:25.61
Or compound that looks naturally
00:23:25.64\00:23:27.00
within the vegetable
itself the way God intended.
00:23:27.03\00:23:29.71
Intended for it to be. You see.
00:23:29.74\00:23:31.47
Now there's you can put
a little olive oil in there
00:23:31.50\00:23:34.38
if you would like, but
this if we're talking about--
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Sickness was talking
about high blood pressure.
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You don't have to worry
about high blood pressure,
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when you use leeks.
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Chop them up, now of course,
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this is high in
nutrients especially your B12.
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Why, because it
is a root vegetable
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and so when you cut this
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and then it's gonna
have some of that dirt
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that he was made out
of, you know what I mean.
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Preach.
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Substance, and
so when you cut it
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and you wash it
real good then you put--
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you chop this and then
some of these the lower part.
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Put it in there let
it saute in the water
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then drop these collard greens
down in there, lovely season.
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And also we can use eggplants.
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So eggplant will
actually also produce
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some of the fat in the--
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Yes.
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So you have some
good fat pot liquor.
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As we say, is that right?
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You cut that
eggplant and dice it.
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It seem like ham
hogs floating around.
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Oh, yeah. Look at that.
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Did you all hear
that? Did you hear that?
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We only got time--
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You love this, you
got little ham hogs.
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But I am telling it release that
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because we still
love collard green.
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We like food with soul in it.
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That's it. That's it.
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You know what, you know what,
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people are gonna hear
this and they're gonna say,
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well, you know I
think that will work for me
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because it's not
just the flavor but I--
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I'm visual aesthetic,
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I want to see
the ham hog floating.
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Well, you can put
the eggplant in there
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and you have some
floating round in there.
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Sickness say we want to
add some color to that collard.
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Well, our time has
gotten away here today,
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you have been joined with
us to talk about soul food.
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I hope this has
been a blessing to you
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and we look
forward to seeing you
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on another "From
Sickness to Health."
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1 Corinthians 10:31 says,
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"Whether
therefore ye eat, or drink,
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or whatsoever ye do, do
all to the glory of God."
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Okay, I'm gonna say something
that Sickness will love.
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Fried chicken tastes amazing.
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Now before you
say preach, Brother.
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Let's reason together.
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Fried foods including chicken
are high in saturated fat.
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Saturated fat clogs arteries.
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Clogged arteries leads
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to a number of
lifestyle diseases et cetera.
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If you have to eat it for now
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how about a
healthier alternative
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like pit chicken.
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But the best
option is to go without it
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and do what the Bible
says, eat to the glory of God,
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for God wants us to
honor Him even in our eating.
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Ultimately He is
honored when we are healthy.
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This is confusing.
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Sometimes cooked
meat or food is good
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and other times its not.
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I'm confused. What do you mean?
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In the Bible it says
that Abel offered a lamb
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and the God was pleased.
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Cain offered some
fruits and vegetables
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and God was dishonored.
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Now you're saying that He
wants fruits and vegetables
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and not soul food and--
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I'm confused. No,
no, you're confused.
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Let me explain.
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We don't decide what
we give the Lord, He does.
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He asked for a
lamb from Cain and Abel.
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Cain decided what
he wanted to the Lord.
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But that lamb listen,
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that lamb was being offered
to the God represented Christ.
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The spotless Lamb of
God who would honor God
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with his own body
as a sacrifice for sin.
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Now we are asked to
do the same with ours.
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Let's give God what He asked for
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and avoid our own ideas
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about what He wants based
on comforts and traditions.
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Well that's our program.
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Beloved, I wish
above all things that thou
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is prosper and be in health.
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Present your body
a living sacrifice.
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I'm Rico Hill. I'm Sickness.
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Maranatha.
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Oh, man.
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This is my third surgery
this year, this is crazy.
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What's up with these doctors?
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Every time I come around
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they are
sharpening their knives.
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Guess this is
what the Bible means
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by put a knife to your throat.
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But for me it's my
chest. Woo, got to calm down.
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Breathe, got to calm
down. Okay, I can do this.
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Surgeons will be
with you in just a moment.
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The surgeons?
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That's a big
knife. Is that a saw?
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Ah, it's a rusty saw.
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Got to calm down.
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Doc, doc...
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