Have you ever felt
that you were hanging
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at the end of a rope
and then the rope broke,
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and then you were
falling into a dark black hole?
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The Bible says in the
Book of Deuteronomy 33:27,
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"That underneath are
the everlasting arms."
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Underneath your fall
are God's arms right now.
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Welcome to our final program.
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This is part three of a
three part series called
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Finding hope in the midst
of Depression and Despair.
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My guest has been and
still is Christy Christopher.
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She's a nurse in Dallas.
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She's also a medical
assistant for Dr. Neil Nedley,
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for his world famous recovering
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from anxiety and
depression program
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at Weimar, California
in Northern California.
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So, Christy, here we
are, we're back again.
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Hello. Hello, hello.
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It's been a good day. Yes.
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We've already done two programs,
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and this is number three.
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That's right.
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And I want to start out
by going back to the verse
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that I just
read a little bit ago
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from Deuteronomy 33:27,
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"The eternal God is your refuge,
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and underneath are
the everlasting arms."
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And then the rest of the
verse or the next part says,
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"And he shall thrust out
the enemy from before you."
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And I think we can
both relate to this.
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I know we can that in
your battle with depression,
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and, you know, temptation,
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suicidal
temptations and medications,
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which I've dealt
with the same things.
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I think we've...
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It's safe to say
that we've both found
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that the key to
getting through these trials
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and this darkness
was a supernatural,
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supernatural health.
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The Lord is the one
that has brought us through,
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you know, I know that
in my life for sure and...
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Absolutely, same.
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Do you feel like your struggles
have brought you closer to God?
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I do, it shows that in
those depths of despair,
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in those pits
that I felt I was in,
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he was in there with me.
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And he not only brought me
out much like he did for you,
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but established on
something as a firm foundation
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to keep going back
to and to keep trusting,
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knowing that He
is always been there.
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He never left, He's
been more all the time.
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Yeah, isn't that, you know,
like, you've heard the story,
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the classic story; I've
seen it on a poster on walls.
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And I actually,
my daughter gave me,
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gave me a little
poster that I put on the wall
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in my bedroom,
about the two steps,
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the two sets of footprints,
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where there's two steps
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or two sets of footprints
on the sand by the water.
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And someone describes
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how he goes
through all these trials,
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and then he looked back
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and there was only
one set of footprints.
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So he prayed and he said,
"Dear God, I thought you said
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you'd never leave me, you know,
how come I was walking alone
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during those really dark times."
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And then the end
of the little saying,
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is God speaking and he
says, "My child, there was only
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one set of footprints
because those were mine,
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and I was carrying you.
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Oh, that's profound.
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And, yeah.
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And know that that's
a very famous paragraph
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that's really
touched a lot of people.
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And I can really
relate to that, that...
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I don't think I would
have made it through those,
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getting off the lorazepam
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and, you know, going
through two weeks of withdrawals
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and feeling just a sense
of darkness and hopelessness
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and, you know, no light
at the end of the tunnel
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and yet just clinging.
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I felt like my rope had
broken and I was falling
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and I just said, Lord,
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I'm gonna trust in
You no matter what.
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And I know that it was
God that brought me through.
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Do you think most of the
people that you work with
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at Dr. Nedley's program?
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Do you attribute their recovery
as you watch people's recovery?
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I mean, I know that hydrotherapy
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which they teach
at the Nedley program
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is very important.
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Water treatments,
hot and cold showers,
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and nutrition and exercise,
and all these other things.
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But where does
prayer come into this?
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And where does
God come into this
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and how much of a component
is the supernatural ability
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of the Lord to help us
through these times of trial?
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It's only by His power;
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I believe that any
of us have any strength
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to overcome anything like this.
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I know, I could have
never done it on my own.
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I had to call out to
Him and take His strength
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and just lean
into what He could do.
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And look away from self or what
I thought I could do on my own
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because that's
when I would fail.
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And so basically just
taking on that surrender
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was where that came
to place for my life is,
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it seems almost like
that doesn't make sense,
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like it's counter
intuitive to surrender,
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then you get strength.
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But that's what
it was when I had it.
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I've seen other
participants have the same
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because it
seems to be a struggle
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with trying to figure
everything out and trying
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to take things on and
you know, trying to achieve
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health and healing on
one's own and most of the people
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that try that end
up in the program,
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so I know that doesn't work.
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Didn't work for me anyway, so.
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So why do you think it,
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it's so hard
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for people to
surrender and trust God,
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that He can bring us
through whatever we go through?
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I can't speak for everyone else
but for me, it just was a...
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It had probably part
of it to do with pride,
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thinking that I could
figure it out professionally,
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and you know,
working in healthcare,
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and then
realizing that I couldn't
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and so I can't
speak for everyone else.
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But it seems to be that
that willingness to accept help
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from people that may know more,
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or have more expertise in
a certain area and trusting
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what they have
that God's given them
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a certain area
that they're good at.
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So let them kind of
teach what would work best.
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So, it's...
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Yeah, there does come a
time, a time when we need like,
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there's a Bible verse, it says,
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"In the multitude of counselors,
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there is safety."
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And there comes a
time when we need to,
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you know, stop
relying on ourselves,
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rely on God and on the
people that He sends to us.
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Right. Exactly.
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I know, that's what
happened with Dr. Nedley.
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I mean, God
brought me to Weimar,
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so I could learn from this man
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and I could go
through the program,
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and I could have the
support of different people
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like Nathan Hyde,
Nathan, and I really connected.
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And he just, he
was just there for me.
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I can't tell you how many
times we took walks together.
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And he was just, you know,
there as a sympathetic friend.
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And the thing about Nathan
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is that he was
always encouraging me.
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He's like,
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the, you know, the
incorrigible enthusiast.
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There's just
nothing that fazes him
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and every time I
would describe something,
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you know, I just had this,
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I had a terrible
night, or this just happened,
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this has happened
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and I've taken
all these thoughts.
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He'd say,
"You'll get through this.
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Don't worry, you'll be fine.
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You will get through this."
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He just kept telling me that
and it really encouraged me.
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That's awesome.
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And there, we just, you
know, we need encouragement
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and I don't know, I think pride,
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like you said, is
one of the big reasons.
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I think another reason
why it's hard to surrender
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is because we know intuitively
that there are things
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we have to give up.
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No, it's true.
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If we're gonna
really make a surrender
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of our lives to
God, then this bad habit,
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this bad habit, this bad habit,
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we can't continue to, you
know, hold on to those things,
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and walk with
God at the same time.
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Yeah, people
want to hear good news
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about their bad habits.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And there is good
news, and the good news
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is that we don't have to
hold on to our bad habits.
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We can get the
victory over our bad habits,
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and the God loves us in
spite of our bad habits,
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you know, those are all,
those are all good things.
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Why don't you share
with us some of the stories,
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you know, now
that you went to Weimar
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originally as an
attendee, as a participant,
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as, you know, someone
that needed to get out
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from underneath
drugs and depression
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and all the things
that you went through?
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And now that the Lord
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has brought you
through all this,
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He's brought you
back, and Dr. Nedley
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has brought you on to his team.
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And now he's using
you to help others.
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Does he do this
with a lot of people
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that come through his program?
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He's done it with a few
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that are willing to
stick with the program.
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There's kind of a trial period,
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you know, you have to
get through the 20 weeks
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and make it to the other side,
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so to speak, and
then be consistent,
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but he's done that
with a couple others.
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Namely, there's one
nurse that works for him
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that really struggled
with an opiate addiction.
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And she was on I
think, a $2,000 a day habit.
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Or maybe it was weekly,
I could be overshooting,
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but she actually now
works with in his clinic.
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And she had a
miraculous turnaround.
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I came, you know,
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she came through
one of the programs
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I was the nurse for,
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and her transformation
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was like night and day
and then to see her happy
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and healthy and free
of all these addictions
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and serving God,
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and now she's a
big prayer warrior.
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She's really into the Word,
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and
encouragement and a lighthouse
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to a lot of other people.
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And it's been such a
blessing to see her improvement
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to see where she's at.
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So it's been really nice to see,
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that's just one of thousands.
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Give her a fictitious name.
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Just pick a name?
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I will call her Susan.
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Okay, Susan.
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So does she now
still work with Dr. Nedley?
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She does. She does?
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She does, and she
loves the program just like,
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you know, I do and
the other staff do.
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And she's a great encouragement
to a lot of other participants,
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and she is allowed
to tell her testimony.
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And it's very
pertinent with this day and age
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with the opiate
epidemic that's been happening
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in our country to basically
shed light on that topic
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and to bring other people
away from that, that habit.
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So she's been a
very strong leader.
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So it's been nice to see.
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What can you just tell us
any more details about her
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from what you know,
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did she grew up
in a Christian home?
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Or did she go
through her teenage
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wandering years like you?
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She was more of a wander, like,
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we have some similarities
definitely, in our stories,
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but different backgrounds
a little bit with childhood,
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I don't believe
she grew up in quite
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if Christian of a home.
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So there was some,
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some discord in the
family and her family.
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So she grew up with a little bit
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of a more difficult childhood.
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But she was still maintained,
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or she left the
faith for a while
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and then now she's back.
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So a little bit different,
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but some of the similar
struggles with addictions, so.
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And she went through
the whole program as well?
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She did, yeah.
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And she did really well.
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She continues to
do really well, so.
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Were you there when
she was going through it?
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You were. Yeah.
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So you saw the
whole transformation?
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I did, yeah
from start to finish.
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She didn't ask
for a lot of things,
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she kind of flew under the radar
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and then as time
went on, as time goes on,
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you can kind of
see where people are at
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whether or not they show you,
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you can just tell
with behaviors and things
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and she made a
pretty big turnaround,
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because at first
she wasn't as engaged.
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And then she got more
into things and was willing
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to surrender more and
more and like you said,
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it's giving up
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that you get more back
and you get more healing
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when you're willing to
surrender those bad things.
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Because God will
replace those things,
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at least I've seen
with something better.
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And so you have to
replace the bad habits
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with something good
to keep it lasting, so.
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Yeah, you can't
just take away the bad
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and if you don't
replace it then...
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Right.
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You have nothing
to keep you going.
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Right, right, to fill that time.
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Can you think of any
other, any other stories?
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Okay, let's...
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We'll call him Paul.
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Okay. Just to protect him.
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But he is a,
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was at least coming to the front
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of my house supervisor
at a hospital setting,
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and had a very
strong anger problem.
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And so almost lost his job
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over getting into
basically a face to face,
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or say combat like
argument with a physician,
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and in his position
that wasn't a very wise move.
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So he almost lost his job.
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He came through the program,
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he had a pretty
tumultuous marriage,
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had strained
relationship with his kids,
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angry with, throw things just,
you know, kind of volatile.
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Walked with him around the track
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and we really connected
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that we had similarities
with addictions as well.
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So we were able
to commiserate there.
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He also is a nurse and
now he's getting promotions.
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His anger problem
has very much lessened,
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I think he got
remarried to his wife,
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like they renewed their vows,
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and has a really
good relationship
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with his family.
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And so a lot of these issues
really center on relationships
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is what I've kind of seen.
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And when those are built,
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a lot of other
things fall into place,
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the first one being
your relationship with God,
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and then everything else,
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seek you first
the kingdom of God
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and all these things
shall be added unto you,
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and then all the other
things fall into place.
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So he had a
miraculous turnaround.
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He's come back
for EQ summits and...
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And what's an E...
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Most people don't
know what is an EQ summit?
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Emotional intelligence
summit that Dr. Nedley
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has every year at Weimar.
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And so, he'll bring in
guest speakers and testimonies
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and professionals to come
speak on pertinent topics,
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mostly evidence based,
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and so it's just kind of like
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a big seminar to try
to learn and get CEUs
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and continued
education and things like that.
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Isn't an emotional
intelligence summit
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isn't the basic
idea behind that is that,
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that we shouldn't be
governed by our emotions,
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we shouldn't be
governed by our feelings.
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Yes.
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We should be
governed by our thinking
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and the thinking
needs to be true thinking.
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Right.
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That's based on evidence,
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and especially
based on the Bible.
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Right.
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So if we can, we can retrain
our minds not to, you know,
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think we're lost just
because we feel discouraged
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or feel bad, or we
don't have a good day,
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hence we wake up and you know,
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we wake up on
the wrong side of bed
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and we think
maybe I'm lost today.
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And so instead
of being, you know,
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blown back and
forth by our feelings,
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we kind of put a check on those
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and we say that's,
this does not make sense.
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Right.
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I'm gonna
follow the truth. Yeah.
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The truth is based on
the book, based on the Word.
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Yeah, that
really helped me a lot.
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That's the part, as you know,
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part of the program
at Weimar is called CBT.
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Yes. Explain that a little bit?
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So CBT, it's the basis
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of cognitive behavioral therapy.
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That's what CBT stands for.
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And it's the basis
of crooked thinking
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versus straight thinking.
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So crooked thinking
would be A to C, like, say,
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you had an
argument with your son,
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then that made you feel bad.
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So that's A to C.
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But in there, as you add
a B, A to B to C thinking,
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that's a belief.
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And if you change that belief,
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then you can
change the consequences.
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And so, it has a
lot more to do with
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what we're telling
ourselves with our self talk,
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than even
what's happening to us.
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So if you can change
yourself talk and you can,
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what they call in the program,
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reframe has a lot to
do with neuroplasticity.
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And the Lord made
our brains plastic.
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And so it's more moldable.
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So you, you think
of like a ski run,
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and you go under that same track
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over and over again,
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and it becomes well worn
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to where if you
go down the ski ramp,
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you're gonna go down
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into that pathway
almost automatically.
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Well, if you want
to think differently,
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you have to keep
skiing on a new path,
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and that's fresh powder,
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and you have to keep
going down that new path,
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it's not going to feel normal,
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it's going to feel like writing
with your non-dominant hand.
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But eventually, one day,
it's just going to click,
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and it's going to
be harder to go back
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to the old negative pathway.
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So that's the beauty,
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the way God made us
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is that we can pick a
new better way to think
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and we never have to
go back to that old way.
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And so that's, that's
the basis of EQ and CBT
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and it can be learned,
it's not inherited like IQ,
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or it's not something fixed,
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it's something
that can be taught,
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which is really good news
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for a lot of
people who are suffering.
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So the neuroplasticity
has to do with the,
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the neurons in the brain,
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getting into like a
ski, the ski illustration.
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You get into a rut of
thinking in a certain way
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over and over and over
and over again and those,
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those negative
thoughts make you feel terrible.
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Right.
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And so you get into this,
you know, into this spiral.
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Right.
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And then if
there's, like you said,
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A to C if there's an action,
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the A is the
activating event, right?
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If there's an event
around us that comes against us,
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we don't necessarily
have to feel bad about it.
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It depends on how
we think about it.
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Right.
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How we think about that
event, if we think differently,
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and if we think
in a different rut.
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Right.
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So we're starting to just
basically think positive that,
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you know, if you lose your job,
it's not the end of the world.
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Right.
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You know, yes,
it's, it's not good.
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But I can get through this.
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Right.
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And so you just learn,
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and God can help me
and it's going to be okay.
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Right.
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God is with me, He can help me.
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That He has other
options, He has many.
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As a friend of
mine once said, he said,
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I may not be the
sharpest tool in the shed
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and so I think, well, God
has many tools in His shed,
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He's got all kinds of tools
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and He can if it's, you
know, it's not this option.
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He's got this, this, this, this,
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and this, got
all kinds of options.
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Yeah.
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So we need to
learn to have faith
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and trust Him and realize
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that He's got a lot of
options at His fingertips.
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And so we slowly learn
how to trust and develop
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new patterns of thinking,
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which then help
us to feel better.
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Exactly.
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So we're not so depressed
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or discouraged
or down or whatever.
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Right.
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Any other any other stories
before we get into some more
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of the practical resources,
people that are watching,
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so that, you know,
they can take away from this
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not just that,
well, it helped them.
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But how can it help me?
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Right, right.
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So any other stories?
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Yeah, there's one kind of recent
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that we'll just call her Jane,
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came through the program
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and she was
very perfectionistic,
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very perfection
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and there's
positive sides to perfection.
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I'm not saying
anything about that.
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You know, usually
perfectionists really
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are very well
ordered and get things done,
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but very hard on themselves.
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Yeah, that sounds like me.
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Yeah, I'm pretty organized.
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But if I don't, yeah,
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I can be hard on myself
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if I don't perform to
what I think I should be doing.
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Right, right.
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And so there's a
lot of should and musts,
00:19:15.92\00:19:17.49
which become
demands in our own minds,
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or it can become
demands in a perfectionist mind,
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if that's something
that resonates with you,
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at least these are things
I'm learning in the program,
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and Jane was very good,
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like she's a nurse practitioner,
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very on top of her game.
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You know, I'm
walking with her on the loop.
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I'm like, wow,
she's very intelligent
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and it was the EQ component
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that was missing for her
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and so you can
have a really high IQ
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but be
miserable and so it's not,
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that's not even what
brings life satisfaction
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and so walking
and talking with her,
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she just was angry,
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mad at the world,
was unhappy in her job.
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You know, her marriage
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was not the
greatest in her mind,
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and so just,
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her life just wasn't
where she wanted it to be.
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And then I called Dr. Nedley.
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And he asked if I could
be the nurse for a program.
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And I told him no.
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He said, Well, we're
gonna get this person.
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And I'm like, what?
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And so she made a
miraculous recovery.
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And now she
works in the program.
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And she's doing wonderful.
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And so she's much happier.
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She's an excellent nurse.
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I mean, it's just,
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it's incredible to
see her turnaround.
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So give us a
little more information
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about the details of how,
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how does someone
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who's has a
perfectionistic mind,
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you know, very high standards.
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And yet, and because
the standards are so high,
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you're always
condemning yourself.
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My marriage is imperfect.
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Yeah.
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You know, this isn't perfect.
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This isn't perfect.
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And then you said she was angry.
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Yeah.
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And you know,
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high achievers can tend
to be very hard on themselves
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and they make
themselves miserable.
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So you said she got over that?
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It seems that
way in the last year.
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And what were
some of the secrets
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to how that happened?
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That would be
something you'd have to ask her,
00:21:05.06\00:21:07.33
but from what I saw is
really working the program.
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I mean, it's not
the program that works.
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It's working the program.
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And so trusting that process
and doing, there, I mean,
00:21:13.00\00:21:16.74
there's gonna be times
where you may not feel like
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you had mentioned emotion,
it's emotional reasoning,
00:21:19.74\00:21:22.21
that just because
we feel a certain way,
00:21:22.24\00:21:24.35
we believe that's fact.
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Well, that's not,
that's emotional reasoning.
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If you're, you
know, super happy,
00:21:27.92\00:21:29.98
and you're going someplace,
you really want to go,
00:21:30.02\00:21:31.85
does that make you
an exceptional person,
00:21:31.89\00:21:33.92
and I mean that's
thinking of it in reverse.
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It's based on feelings.
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And so I think really getting
to that point where you just,
00:21:38.13\00:21:41.26
you know, she was
just working the program,
00:21:41.30\00:21:43.26
and she was diligent
being a perfectionist and so,
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she did the work.
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And so she got the result.
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She did the work.
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It reminds me of a scripture,
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I think it's in 2 Timothy 1:7.
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2 Timothy 1:7 says, "
00:22:00.65\00:22:02.38
God has not given
us the spirit of fear,
00:22:02.42\00:22:06.86
but of power and of
love, and of a sound mind."
00:22:06.89\00:22:12.76
Sound mind meaning,
you know, sober thinking
00:22:12.79\00:22:15.20
and thinking things
that that make sense,
00:22:15.23\00:22:17.63
they are true, they are right.
00:22:17.67\00:22:20.10
Like Philippians, 4:8,
00:22:20.14\00:22:22.34
is probably that
one of the main texts
00:22:22.37\00:22:24.71
for that kind of
thinking, it says,
00:22:24.74\00:22:27.54
"Whatever is true,
whatever is lovely,
00:22:27.58\00:22:30.05
whatever is noble and
just and right and pure,
00:22:30.08\00:22:33.58
think on these things."
00:22:33.62\00:22:34.95
And then it says,
"And the God of peace
00:22:34.98\00:22:36.32
will be with you."
00:22:36.35\00:22:37.69
So if we learn how to think,
00:22:37.72\00:22:39.15
and think things that
are true and right and honest
00:22:39.19\00:22:41.72
and noble, and just,
00:22:41.76\00:22:43.39
then the result
is we're going to,
00:22:43.43\00:22:45.76
emotionally
we're going to change
00:22:45.79\00:22:47.40
and we're going to feel better,
00:22:47.43\00:22:48.76
we're going to
become just happier people.
00:22:48.80\00:22:50.73
Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:50.77\00:22:52.97
Okay, well, let's
talk about resources.
00:22:53.00\00:22:55.17
Dr. Nedley's
program, number one,
00:22:55.20\00:22:57.87
is a big resource.
00:22:57.91\00:23:00.91
So tell us how people
00:23:00.94\00:23:03.65
can get in
touch with Dr. Nedley,
00:23:03.68\00:23:06.41
or connect with Dr. Nedley,
00:23:06.45\00:23:08.42
or learn from him
00:23:08.45\00:23:09.95
through the different
ways that are available now.
00:23:09.98\00:23:12.72
Because he, I
believe God used that man.
00:23:12.75\00:23:16.12
And I think you do, too.
00:23:16.16\00:23:17.76
God used Dr. Nedley
to help me tremendously.
00:23:17.79\00:23:21.80
And he's helped you
and God's plan is that,
00:23:21.83\00:23:24.70
you know, He then used
each one of us to help others.
00:23:24.73\00:23:26.77
That's right.
00:23:26.80\00:23:28.14
And as you know, when
I was going through this,
00:23:28.17\00:23:29.84
when I had a
counselor when I was at Weimar,
00:23:29.87\00:23:32.61
her name was Amanda.
00:23:32.64\00:23:33.98
And that's her real name.
00:23:34.01\00:23:35.58
Yeah, that's not
a fictitious name.
00:23:35.61\00:23:37.15
That's her real name.
00:23:37.18\00:23:38.51
And I remember when I
first met with Amanda,
00:23:38.55\00:23:40.12
and she knew
that I was, you know,
00:23:40.15\00:23:42.58
that I'm involved in
a television ministry,
00:23:42.62\00:23:44.32
radio ministry,
00:23:44.35\00:23:45.69
and that we have
a lot of influence
00:23:45.72\00:23:47.19
with a lot of people.
00:23:47.22\00:23:48.56
And then I
write books, etcetera.
00:23:48.59\00:23:50.29
And when she first had me
00:23:50.33\00:23:52.69
as her counselee,
00:23:52.73\00:23:56.80
I remember looking at
her, and she was glowing.
00:23:56.83\00:24:00.30
She was just glowing.
00:24:00.34\00:24:01.67
She was so excited.
00:24:01.70\00:24:03.04
Yeah.
00:24:03.07\00:24:04.41
And I just couldn't understand.
00:24:04.44\00:24:05.77
I mean, here I
am, I'm depressed.
00:24:05.81\00:24:07.14
I'm trying to get off lorazepam
00:24:07.18\00:24:09.91
and I'm, you know,
my brain is just fried
00:24:09.94\00:24:12.75
and I'm just discouraged,
I'm not sleeping well.
00:24:12.78\00:24:15.55
I got big bags under my eyes.
00:24:15.58\00:24:17.19
I'm losing weight.
00:24:17.22\00:24:18.55
I'm getting thinner, as
you know if that's possible.
00:24:18.59\00:24:20.66
Yeah.
00:24:20.69\00:24:22.02
And I remember,
00:24:22.06\00:24:23.39
she was so excited
and I looked at her
00:24:23.43\00:24:24.89
and I was just wondering,
you know, why are you so happy?
00:24:24.93\00:24:28.70
And she said,
00:24:28.73\00:24:30.23
I'm just looking at you
00:24:30.27\00:24:31.60
and knowing what
you do for a living.
00:24:31.63\00:24:34.24
And I'm so excited
00:24:34.27\00:24:35.60
about what God is
going to do in your life.
00:24:35.64\00:24:37.91
Yay.
00:24:37.94\00:24:39.27
And then how
He's going to use you
00:24:39.31\00:24:41.44
to help other people
00:24:41.48\00:24:43.08
who are struggling with
some of the same things.
00:24:43.11\00:24:45.21
Yeah.
00:24:45.25\00:24:46.61
And when she first told me that,
00:24:46.65\00:24:48.65
I just you know, I looked at her
00:24:48.68\00:24:50.02
and I honestly I
thought to myself,
00:24:50.05\00:24:52.05
what planet are you from?
00:24:52.09\00:24:54.76
You do not, we
are not connecting.
00:24:54.79\00:24:57.03
I am feeling like
I'm about to fall apart.
00:24:57.06\00:24:59.79
Yeah.
00:24:59.83\00:25:01.16
And you're excited
that that all of this
00:25:01.20\00:25:04.07
is going to turn into a blessing
00:25:04.10\00:25:07.64
for other people.
00:25:07.67\00:25:09.00
Right.
00:25:09.04\00:25:10.37
But sure enough, you know,
sure enough, she was right.
00:25:10.41\00:25:13.98
She was dead right.
00:25:14.01\00:25:16.48
Maybe I
shouldn't say dead right?
00:25:16.51\00:25:17.91
She was alive right.
00:25:17.95\00:25:19.28
And when I finally
did get through this,
00:25:19.31\00:25:21.75
and the cloud
lifted, and it was really,
00:25:21.78\00:25:24.72
when I got off the
supplements that Dr. Nedley
00:25:24.75\00:25:27.66
was giving me kind of kicked in,
00:25:27.69\00:25:29.19
and then the
benefits of the exercise
00:25:29.22\00:25:30.66
and the good diet,
00:25:30.69\00:25:32.03
and then learning how
to think positive thoughts,
00:25:32.06\00:25:34.56
good thoughts.
00:25:34.60\00:25:36.36
And then finally
getting off that trazodone,
00:25:36.40\00:25:39.23
which was my last
medication that I was on.
00:25:39.27\00:25:41.67
And when I
finally got off of that,
00:25:41.70\00:25:43.30
and went through the little
bit of withdrawals for that.
00:25:43.34\00:25:45.84
It was just like the
cloud just lifted off of me.
00:25:45.87\00:25:48.08
It just lifted.
00:25:48.11\00:25:49.44
And maybe, it's like my
brain just snapped back.
00:25:49.48\00:25:52.65
And I started thinking clearly,
and I started sleeping better.
00:25:52.68\00:25:56.48
And just a whole
host of things happen
00:25:56.52\00:25:58.75
and I started
feeling back to normal again.
00:25:58.79\00:26:01.26
That's wonderful.
00:26:01.29\00:26:02.62
And finally, I decided
to write a book on my story,
00:26:02.66\00:26:05.63
which was help for
the hopeless, this little,
00:26:05.66\00:26:08.06
little pocket book that
will tell you a little bit
00:26:08.10\00:26:10.00
more about in a little
while sharing just my story.
00:26:10.03\00:26:13.23
Yeah.
00:26:13.27\00:26:14.60
And as people
read this, this book,
00:26:14.64\00:26:16.84
and heard me talk about
this in different places.
00:26:16.87\00:26:21.04
Lo and behold, you know, it
was really encouraging them.
00:26:21.08\00:26:25.35
It was a blessing to them. Yeah.
00:26:25.38\00:26:27.05
So Amanda was right, that God,
00:26:27.08\00:26:30.02
God can use our
trials and our struggles.
00:26:30.05\00:26:33.59
And one thing they teach
you at Weimar as you know,
00:26:33.62\00:26:35.46
there's a Bible verse that says
00:26:35.49\00:26:37.53
that we should be
thankful for everything.
00:26:37.56\00:26:40.93
Be thankful for every,
yeah, in everything give things,
00:26:40.96\00:26:43.77
but this is the will
of God for you in Christ.
00:26:43.80\00:26:45.83
Yeah.
00:26:45.87\00:26:47.20
Be thankful, give
thanks in everything.
00:26:47.24\00:26:49.60
And so I remember trying
00:26:49.64\00:26:52.07
to figure that
out and learn that.
00:26:52.11\00:26:53.58
So if I go through a problem,
or I was still struggling,
00:26:53.61\00:26:56.91
and I'd say, Lord,
thank you for this depression.
00:26:56.95\00:27:00.48
Thank you for this
problem that I'm having.
00:27:00.52\00:27:02.42
Thank you. Thank you.
00:27:02.45\00:27:03.79
Thank you, because somehow
00:27:03.82\00:27:05.15
You're going to
use all this for good.
00:27:05.19\00:27:06.52
Yeah. And He does.
00:27:06.55\00:27:07.92
We don't
understand it, but He does.
00:27:07.96\00:27:10.63
And so, you know,
00:27:10.66\00:27:11.99
God's using Dr.
Nedley, to help people.
00:27:12.03\00:27:15.56
I believe He's
used me, He's using you.
00:27:15.60\00:27:18.80
And people that
are watching this,
00:27:18.83\00:27:20.20
He wants to use YouTube.
00:27:20.24\00:27:22.80
So tell them first how
to connect with Dr. Nedley.
00:27:22.84\00:27:26.71
And what are the
options available
00:27:26.74\00:27:28.31
to get a hold of his resources?
00:27:28.34\00:27:32.88
So there's a
couple different options,
00:27:32.91\00:27:34.48
that just depends on
00:27:34.52\00:27:36.55
what you think
you can do reasonably,
00:27:36.58\00:27:38.62
the 10 day is the
best, it covers everything.
00:27:38.65\00:27:42.36
In terms of doctor's visits,
00:27:42.39\00:27:44.23
it covers
everything comprehensively,
00:27:44.26\00:27:46.39
you're going to have a loving,
00:27:46.43\00:27:47.76
caring staff that you know
00:27:47.80\00:27:49.26
is with you
every step of the way.
00:27:49.30\00:27:51.27
If you're
interested in that, to call,
00:27:51.30\00:27:54.60
it's going to be
through the office in Oklahoma,
00:27:54.64\00:27:56.57
so it's 480-226-8007.
00:27:56.60\00:28:00.81
That's the number
for the clinic there.
00:28:00.84\00:28:02.94
If you want to get in
touch with Dr. Nedley,
00:28:02.98\00:28:05.01
and just do a phone counsel,
you can call his clinic.
00:28:05.05\00:28:07.68
So there's that number as well.
00:28:07.72\00:28:09.58
Or you can do the
home based program
00:28:09.62\00:28:11.42
and that one's not
going to be as expensive.
00:28:11.45\00:28:13.96
So you are, you can
get all the materials
00:28:13.99\00:28:15.72
for a certain amount of money
on nedleyhealthsolutions.com
00:28:15.76\00:28:19.29
nedleyhealthsolutions.com
00:28:19.33\00:28:21.16
Yes.
00:28:21.20\00:28:22.70
So the best option really
is to go through the program
00:28:22.73\00:28:25.73
like we did and actually
get on a plane flight away,
00:28:25.77\00:28:29.10
fly to Sacramento get picked
up at the airport being driven
00:28:29.14\00:28:31.71
to the program and go
through that for 10 days.
00:28:31.74\00:28:33.54
But there is a cost to that.
00:28:33.58\00:28:35.14
Right.
00:28:35.18\00:28:36.51
And some people may
not be able to afford that.
00:28:36.54\00:28:37.88
Right.
00:28:37.91\00:28:39.25
So the next step you
said is the community program
00:28:39.28\00:28:42.58
or the home program?
00:28:42.62\00:28:44.02
It would be, the
community program,
00:28:44.05\00:28:45.39
that's another option.
00:28:45.42\00:28:46.76
That's an eight
week community program,
00:28:46.79\00:28:48.72
anyone can become a director,
you can do the online training.
00:28:48.76\00:28:52.39
And then you're
basically qualified
00:28:52.43\00:28:54.43
to take these
programs to the community
00:28:54.46\00:28:56.87
and run them for a small fee.
00:28:56.90\00:29:00.17
It's a really
good outreach, you,
00:29:00.20\00:29:03.10
some of the
participants may not have
00:29:03.14\00:29:04.71
the same outcome
as the residential,
00:29:04.74\00:29:06.94
but it's still evidence
based and there's research on it
00:29:06.98\00:29:10.28
on researchgate.com
that shows people
00:29:10.31\00:29:13.65
are still able to
get off their benzos
00:29:13.68\00:29:15.62
on an eight week
community program.
00:29:15.65\00:29:17.62
So there's still a
pretty big turnaround
00:29:17.65\00:29:20.66
and it's purely
educational though.
00:29:20.69\00:29:22.66
So there's no
medication changes.
00:29:22.69\00:29:24.49
Okay.
00:29:24.53\00:29:25.86
And how do people find out
if there's a community program
00:29:25.89\00:29:28.06
in their area or near
them that they can go to?
00:29:28.10\00:29:31.07
I believe that's also on
nedleyhealthsolutions.com
00:29:31.10\00:29:34.34
If you click on the
community based program link,
00:29:34.37\00:29:37.61
it should have a basically a map
00:29:37.64\00:29:39.67
of all the places
that that's happening.
00:29:39.71\00:29:41.54
And then if it's close
by they can drive there.
00:29:41.58\00:29:43.48
They can drive there. Okay.
00:29:43.51\00:29:44.85
Now, what about
the home based program?
00:29:44.88\00:29:46.51
I mean, these days in this,
00:29:46.55\00:29:47.88
in our current
Coronavirus crisis,
00:29:47.92\00:29:49.78
most people are staying home.
00:29:49.82\00:29:51.15
Right.
00:29:51.19\00:29:52.52
And probably a lot
of people are depressed
00:29:52.55\00:29:53.89
over the Coronavirus.
00:29:53.92\00:29:55.26
I mean their,
00:29:55.29\00:29:56.62
you know their
finances are hurting
00:29:56.66\00:29:57.99
and people are
afraid of the future
00:29:58.03\00:29:59.56
and they don't know
what's gonna happen.
00:29:59.59\00:30:00.93
Right.
00:30:00.96\00:30:02.30
And even if, when
people are watching this,
00:30:02.33\00:30:03.67
by the time you watch this,
00:30:03.70\00:30:05.03
the Coronavirus
crisis is behind us,
00:30:05.07\00:30:07.00
there will inevitably,
00:30:07.04\00:30:09.00
inevitably be some other
crisis that's going to hit.
00:30:09.04\00:30:11.44
Right.
00:30:11.47\00:30:12.81
I mean, this is
just life in this world,
00:30:12.84\00:30:14.18
there's no way around
it on this side of heaven.
00:30:14.21\00:30:16.14
Right.
00:30:16.18\00:30:17.51
So how do people get
a hold of all of this
00:30:17.55\00:30:20.18
inside their house?
00:30:20.22\00:30:21.55
It would be the same website.
00:30:21.58\00:30:22.92
Would be
nedleyhealthsolutions.com
00:30:22.95\00:30:24.55
So they can go there
and there should be a link
00:30:24.59\00:30:26.35
for the home based program.
00:30:26.39\00:30:28.06
But it's a lot of
things in the program,
00:30:28.09\00:30:29.76
you can do the blue light,
00:30:29.79\00:30:31.33
that helps with
circadian rhythm,
00:30:31.36\00:30:33.43
there's more
information about that online.
00:30:33.46\00:30:35.53
Okay.
00:30:35.56\00:30:36.90
And so there's other
ways that it can be done.
00:30:36.93\00:30:38.93
And it includes that book
00:30:38.97\00:30:40.44
that you have there,
Depression: The Way Out.
00:30:40.47\00:30:42.34
So the home based
program is it's based on
00:30:42.37\00:30:45.37
the book that Dr.
Nedley has written
00:30:45.41\00:30:47.81
called Depression: The Way Out,
00:30:47.84\00:30:50.05
and this book is just a,
it's a goldmine of information.
00:30:50.08\00:30:54.05
And it really does.
00:30:54.08\00:30:55.42
It's got loaded with
pictures and statistics,
00:30:55.45\00:30:58.55
and practical information
00:30:58.59\00:31:00.79
about depression
and stress and anxiety,
00:31:00.82\00:31:04.63
and how to get
over these things,
00:31:04.66\00:31:07.73
and to live a happier life,
00:31:07.76\00:31:09.30
and to have faith in God
who will help you to do this.
00:31:09.33\00:31:12.87
So this book is
part of the home program.
00:31:12.90\00:31:15.67
Aren't there, is
there a series of DVDs
00:31:15.70\00:31:17.61
where they watch and
then they go through?
00:31:17.64\00:31:18.97
Yes.
00:31:19.01\00:31:20.34
Isn't their work,
they have a workbook,
00:31:20.38\00:31:21.71
they have this book,
they have a workbook.
00:31:21.74\00:31:23.08
Yeah.
00:31:23.11\00:31:24.45
Workbook goes with the DVDs,
00:31:24.48\00:31:25.81
and it also goes with
the book and then also
00:31:25.85\00:31:27.28
that book that you have there
telling yourself the truth,
00:31:27.32\00:31:30.82
that's a big component.
00:31:30.85\00:31:32.45
This is basically
CBT in a nutshell.
00:31:32.49\00:31:35.12
So this book, I
have this at home
00:31:35.16\00:31:36.73
and it's falling
apart, I still refer to it.
00:31:36.76\00:31:40.80
But basically, it tells
you some of the misbeliefs.
00:31:40.83\00:31:43.03
And I'll give you
truths to counter that with,
00:31:43.06\00:31:45.43
so you can talk
back to those misbeliefs,
00:31:45.47\00:31:47.64
which get us stuck
sometimes as humans.
00:31:47.67\00:31:49.90
So this is very good book.
00:31:49.94\00:31:51.27
Right, like a
misbelief being I'm hopeless,
00:31:51.31\00:31:53.27
there's no way out of this.
00:31:53.31\00:31:54.64
Right.
00:31:54.68\00:31:56.01
I'm trapped and I'll be
00:31:56.04\00:31:57.38
like this for
the rest of my life.
00:31:57.41\00:31:58.75
Precisely.
00:31:58.78\00:32:00.12
That is a misbelief that needs
to be challenged with truth.
00:32:00.15\00:32:02.95
So that book teaches
you how to do all that?
00:32:02.98\00:32:04.85
Yes, so you don't have
to come up with your own
00:32:04.89\00:32:06.39
if you don't have a
counselor close by, you know.
00:32:06.42\00:32:08.96
It's just a really good resource
00:32:08.99\00:32:10.73
just for life in general.
00:32:10.76\00:32:12.09
So I'd highly
recommend that one.
00:32:12.13\00:32:13.60
And you said that you've
read that how many times?
00:32:13.63\00:32:15.50
Oh, it's to the point
where it's falling apart.
00:32:15.53\00:32:19.83
And it's highlighted
and written in the sides.
00:32:19.87\00:32:22.17
And its, the seams
are becoming loose.
00:32:22.20\00:32:24.01
I don't know how many times
but I refer to it even still.
00:32:24.04\00:32:27.31
So you like that book?
00:32:27.34\00:32:28.68
It's good. Yeah. It's good.
00:32:28.71\00:32:30.05
And that book is
part of the home program.
00:32:30.08\00:32:31.41
Yes. Yeah. Okay.
00:32:31.45\00:32:32.78
So they get the DVDs,
00:32:32.81\00:32:34.15
they can watch
on their computer,
00:32:34.18\00:32:35.55
on their DVD player.
00:32:35.58\00:32:37.59
Yeah.
00:32:37.62\00:32:38.95
And then they get the workbook,
00:32:38.99\00:32:40.32
they go program by
program chapter by chapter.
00:32:40.36\00:32:43.89
And then they get Dr.
Nedley's depression book,
00:32:43.93\00:32:46.49
which probably refers to
different chapters to read.
00:32:46.53\00:32:49.50
And then they get
telling yourself the truth.
00:32:49.53\00:32:51.03
Yeah.
00:32:51.07\00:32:52.40
So and then there,
00:32:52.43\00:32:53.77
they learn about
other things they can do,
00:32:53.80\00:32:56.71
like their diet and
the importance of exercise
00:32:56.74\00:32:59.44
and a lot of practical things
00:32:59.47\00:33:02.31
to help reboot
the body and the mind,
00:33:02.34\00:33:06.18
and your attitude.
00:33:06.21\00:33:08.32
Yes. So your life changes.
00:33:08.35\00:33:10.02
That's right.
00:33:10.05\00:33:11.95
Yeah, I was wondering
if, as I mentioned, for me,
00:33:11.99\00:33:14.89
when I got off the trazodone,
00:33:14.92\00:33:16.83
everything just
finally kicked back into place.
00:33:16.86\00:33:19.36
Was it, was there a
moment for you that you,
00:33:19.39\00:33:21.46
maybe there
wasn't, you know, was it?
00:33:21.50\00:33:23.93
Or was it just a gradual
thing, where all of a sudden,
00:33:23.97\00:33:26.67
you just started feeling better?
00:33:26.70\00:33:28.04
Or did one day
it really hits you,
00:33:28.07\00:33:30.14
you know, I'm
really doing a lot better?
00:33:30.17\00:33:32.67
It was gradual.
00:33:32.71\00:33:34.04
And I think it took other people
00:33:34.08\00:33:35.44
that were close to
me to point that out.
00:33:35.48\00:33:38.08
Because it in my own mind,
I was like, Oh, I'm the same.
00:33:38.11\00:33:40.92
And then people
around me are like,
00:33:40.95\00:33:42.35
"Whoa, what happened to be you?
00:33:42.38\00:33:44.29
You look really different."
00:33:44.32\00:33:45.65
And, you know, I'm
hearing things like
00:33:45.69\00:33:47.09
you're a very positive person.
00:33:47.12\00:33:49.12
And I'm like, are we
talking about the same person?
00:33:49.16\00:33:51.49
It's so, it's just...
00:33:51.53\00:33:52.86
And you turn around,
are you talking to me?
00:33:52.89\00:33:55.00
So I mean, it's,
it's been really,
00:33:55.03\00:33:56.73
it's been good.
00:33:56.77\00:33:58.10
So there hasn't
been like a day like, oh,
00:33:58.13\00:33:59.47
everything switched,
00:33:59.50\00:34:00.84
but it's just
doing these things daily.
00:34:00.87\00:34:02.74
I mean, it's a lifelong program.
00:34:02.77\00:34:04.27
This isn't just something
that you do it, none, no.
00:34:04.31\00:34:05.91
So it's not a
pill, it's not a portion.
00:34:05.94\00:34:07.54
It's not just
watching one program.
00:34:07.58\00:34:09.18
It's learning how
to live differently.
00:34:09.21\00:34:11.25
It's lifestyle.
00:34:11.28\00:34:12.61
Yeah, it's lifestyle.
00:34:12.65\00:34:13.98
Yeah. And it's doable?
00:34:14.02\00:34:15.35
It's doable.
00:34:15.38\00:34:16.72
And it's really
that means practical,
00:34:16.75\00:34:18.09
it's not, you
know rocket science.
00:34:18.12\00:34:19.82
So that's the good news.
00:34:19.85\00:34:21.19
Yeah, well, yeah, for
me, as I mentioned, well,
00:34:21.22\00:34:24.19
when I got off the trazodone
00:34:24.23\00:34:25.56
and finally the
cloud completely lifted,
00:34:25.59\00:34:26.96
but I really should mention
00:34:27.00\00:34:29.03
that it was really a
whole series of steps
00:34:29.06\00:34:31.73
to micro steps
that led to my healing.
00:34:31.77\00:34:36.44
Most of my life,
I've never been depressed.
00:34:36.47\00:34:38.27
Most of my life I haven't
really had health problems.
00:34:38.31\00:34:40.68
I've been very, very
blessed, very fortunate.
00:34:40.71\00:34:43.14
But in the summer of 2017,
00:34:43.18\00:34:46.01
the bottom fell out,
00:34:46.05\00:34:47.65
and I just tanked and I
think like I said before,
00:34:47.68\00:34:51.12
the insomnia not being
able to sleep for some reason
00:34:51.15\00:34:55.02
really started this whole spiral
00:34:55.06\00:34:57.29
and then the medication
00:34:57.33\00:34:58.66
really messed me up,
00:34:58.69\00:35:00.03
and then Dr. Nedley helped
me to get off the medication
00:35:00.06\00:35:01.93
and put me on a
different, a different path.
00:35:01.96\00:35:05.00
And when I was
really in trouble,
00:35:05.03\00:35:08.64
there was a time when I felt
00:35:08.67\00:35:10.21
like my emotions were just gone.
00:35:10.24\00:35:12.87
I had no emotions,
and I couldn't cry.
00:35:12.91\00:35:15.71
I was unable to cry.
00:35:15.74\00:35:18.71
I was, because I hadn't
been sleeping very well.
00:35:18.75\00:35:21.68
During the day,
sometimes I was just exhausted.
00:35:21.72\00:35:24.99
And I tried to take a nap.
00:35:25.02\00:35:26.35
But I could not take a nap.
00:35:26.39\00:35:28.32
My mind would
not slow down enough,
00:35:28.36\00:35:31.49
I'd lay on the couch.
00:35:31.53\00:35:33.36
And I would just as,
you know, I couldn't sleep.
00:35:33.40\00:35:36.50
Even though I was
exhausted, I couldn't sleep.
00:35:36.53\00:35:39.63
And my appetite
pretty much disappeared.
00:35:39.67\00:35:42.57
So I was forcing myself to eat.
00:35:42.60\00:35:44.27
I'm already thin enough.
00:35:44.31\00:35:45.81
And so I was losing weight.
00:35:45.84\00:35:47.94
And there was and I
was, you know, very just,
00:35:47.98\00:35:50.25
there was this
cloud over my mind.
00:35:50.28\00:35:52.85
And, you know, it was
just, it was terrible.
00:35:52.88\00:35:56.52
And I remember,
you know, step by step,
00:35:56.55\00:35:59.45
like one day I
realized I was hungry.
00:35:59.49\00:36:03.73
But hey, my
appetite's coming back.
00:36:03.76\00:36:07.00
Yeah.
00:36:07.03\00:36:08.36
And that was big.
00:36:08.40\00:36:09.73
And then another day, I was,
00:36:09.76\00:36:11.33
I laid down and
actually, I took a nap.
00:36:11.37\00:36:14.24
And I thought, oh,
something's happening.
00:36:14.27\00:36:16.54
Yeah.
00:36:16.57\00:36:17.91
I'm changing, I
was able to take a nap.
00:36:17.94\00:36:19.37
That's great.
00:36:19.41\00:36:20.74
And then another day,
I cried, I shed a tear.
00:36:20.78\00:36:25.71
And I thought,
so it's just like,
00:36:25.75\00:36:27.32
one by one, I'm going.
00:36:27.35\00:36:28.68
That's cool.
00:36:28.72\00:36:30.05
Something's happening
to me, my life is coming.
00:36:30.09\00:36:31.89
Yeah, I'm coming alive, my
life, and that gave me hope.
00:36:31.92\00:36:33.42
That's great.
00:36:33.46\00:36:34.79
Just those one,
00:36:34.82\00:36:36.16
those little tiny micro steps
gave me hope to keep going.
00:36:36.19\00:36:39.19
And then finally, the last,
00:36:39.23\00:36:40.56
the last thing was the trazodone
00:36:40.60\00:36:41.93
and when I got
off that trazodone,
00:36:41.96\00:36:43.90
after, maybe I don't remember,
it's like a week or so.
00:36:43.93\00:36:47.20
One day, it was just
like, the cloud was gone.
00:36:47.24\00:36:50.11
And I looked outside,
and I could see, you know,
00:36:50.14\00:36:52.31
the sky and the
trees and hear birds.
00:36:52.34\00:36:56.08
And I started feeling good.
00:36:56.11\00:36:57.45
And the next day,
actually, I was discouraged.
00:36:57.48\00:37:01.02
But then I thought,
00:37:01.05\00:37:02.38
I'm not gonna let this get
me because I'm making progress.
00:37:02.42\00:37:05.62
And so then the
next day after that,
00:37:05.65\00:37:08.82
the cloud again was gone.
00:37:08.86\00:37:10.79
And then I was free.
00:37:10.83\00:37:12.99
Oh, that's beautiful.
00:37:13.03\00:37:14.36
And so, I can think, praise God.
00:37:14.40\00:37:17.07
But it was a step by step thing.
00:37:17.10\00:37:18.43
And all of these, you know,
telling yourself the truth,
00:37:18.47\00:37:21.84
and getting the exercise
and getting on a good diet
00:37:21.87\00:37:24.01
and learning how
to think differently.
00:37:24.04\00:37:26.27
All of these were very
significant steps for me
00:37:26.31\00:37:30.95
in getting out of my
despair, and my depression.
00:37:30.98\00:37:34.98
Now, let's see, what else
do we have as far as resources?
00:37:35.02\00:37:38.55
You gave me a business card,
00:37:38.59\00:37:40.62
but I don't know if
it's a business card,
00:37:40.66\00:37:42.16
it's a ministry card.
00:37:42.19\00:37:43.86
Tell us about that.
00:37:43.89\00:37:45.23
It says buried,
buried to bless...
00:37:45.26\00:37:48.90
Buried to Bloom, yeah.
00:37:48.93\00:37:50.40
Buried to Bloom, okay.
00:37:50.43\00:37:51.77
Buried to
Bloom. Buried to Bloom.
00:37:51.80\00:37:53.13
And this is your
website, and this is your blog.
00:37:53.17\00:37:55.40
That's the blog.
00:37:55.44\00:37:56.77
So yeah, so just
tell us about that.
00:37:56.81\00:37:58.27
And we'll put this
address on the screen
00:37:58.31\00:38:00.48
so people can see it.
00:38:00.51\00:38:01.84
Okay.
00:38:01.88\00:38:03.21
Talk to us about that?
00:38:03.24\00:38:04.58
So a little bit
about Buried to Bloom.
00:38:04.61\00:38:06.01
That really was a God thing.
00:38:06.05\00:38:07.72
It wasn't anything I
really set out to do.
00:38:07.75\00:38:10.35
But in telling the story
of what he did in my life
00:38:10.39\00:38:13.32
and working with Dr. Nedley,
00:38:13.36\00:38:15.42
it just came to
mind that there's people
00:38:15.46\00:38:17.99
that could use different ways
00:38:18.03\00:38:19.69
to think and different resources
00:38:19.73\00:38:21.26
on how to do that.
00:38:21.30\00:38:22.93
So what I do is
there's this blog,
00:38:22.96\00:38:25.43
and I write different reviews
00:38:25.47\00:38:27.57
of books and
things that are helpful.
00:38:27.60\00:38:30.11
And put life
experiences that I've had,
00:38:30.14\00:38:32.71
or I've had other
people around me have that may
00:38:32.74\00:38:35.14
resonate or be relatable,
00:38:35.18\00:38:37.98
and put practical steps
on how these different books
00:38:38.01\00:38:40.82
can maybe apply in their lives.
00:38:40.85\00:38:42.62
So it's been a
blessing because I'm, you know,
00:38:42.65\00:38:45.25
I'm kind of able to
dialogue with other people
00:38:45.29\00:38:47.26
and hear their stories.
00:38:47.29\00:38:48.96
And really, the
aim is to use this
00:38:48.99\00:38:51.36
as a stepping point
00:38:51.39\00:38:52.73
for other people to
tell their testimonies,
00:38:52.76\00:38:55.10
because I think testimonies
are such a powerful thing
00:38:55.13\00:38:57.40
and a witness for God.
00:38:57.43\00:38:59.13
And so I want to give
people a platform to do that.
00:38:59.17\00:39:02.40
Because my story is not unique,
00:39:02.44\00:39:04.01
There's a lot of people
that have other stories,
00:39:04.04\00:39:06.11
either similar to mine,
00:39:06.14\00:39:07.48
or have stories that, you know,
00:39:07.51\00:39:09.08
maybe they have
something in common with mine,
00:39:09.11\00:39:11.18
and I just want this to
become just a way for them
00:39:11.21\00:39:13.78
to be able to share their
00:39:13.82\00:39:15.15
what God has done in their life.
00:39:15.18\00:39:16.52
So do you have other
stories on your site?
00:39:16.55\00:39:18.49
That's the plan, not yet.
00:39:18.52\00:39:19.85
That's the plan. Okay.
00:39:19.89\00:39:21.22
So, if you're watching,
00:39:21.26\00:39:22.76
and if you've got a
story, get hold of Christy.
00:39:22.79\00:39:25.06
That's right.
00:39:25.09\00:39:26.43
And your story
will be on her blog.
00:39:26.46\00:39:27.80
Yes, please do.
00:39:27.83\00:39:29.16
Now, that tell us
more Buried to Bloom,
00:39:29.20\00:39:31.13
why buried, explain that?
00:39:31.17\00:39:33.77
With the depression it felt,
00:39:33.80\00:39:35.94
it felt it was a
feeling that I was buried.
00:39:35.97\00:39:39.07
And so it was a very dark place,
00:39:39.11\00:39:41.48
but God in His
providence in Romans 8:28
00:39:41.51\00:39:44.38
is what I claim He uses
00:39:44.41\00:39:46.05
all to the glory of
those who love the Lord
00:39:46.08\00:39:47.65
and He'll take
something negative
00:39:47.68\00:39:49.15
and making something positive.
00:39:49.18\00:39:50.92
So that time in
my life I felt buried
00:39:50.95\00:39:53.29
that I think he was
planting me and now I'm bloomed.
00:39:53.32\00:39:56.62
And so, I want to
share that with other people.
00:39:56.66\00:39:59.43
Yeah, I was thinking,
00:39:59.46\00:40:00.80
I wasn't
expecting you to say that.
00:40:00.83\00:40:02.73
I was expecting you to say that,
00:40:02.76\00:40:05.43
like Jesus talks about a seed
00:40:05.47\00:40:09.37
and He said unless the seed
of wheat is buried and dies,
00:40:09.40\00:40:14.58
it stays low.
00:40:14.61\00:40:16.11
But when it dies,
then it brings forth fruit.
00:40:16.14\00:40:20.25
That's the way it is,
when you plant a garden,
00:40:20.28\00:40:22.65
or plant the cedar or anything
that the seed gets buried,
00:40:22.68\00:40:25.72
and it looks like you're,
you're getting rid of it,
00:40:25.75\00:40:28.49
it's dying but really isn't.
00:40:28.52\00:40:30.43
It's actually, you
know, being put in the ground
00:40:30.46\00:40:33.23
so that it can
then give more fruit.
00:40:33.26\00:40:36.20
And for us, we need
to learn that we need,
00:40:36.23\00:40:39.23
there's a part of
us that needs to die.
00:40:39.27\00:40:41.97
We need to die to self,
00:40:42.00\00:40:43.77
we need to die to our own ways.
00:40:43.81\00:40:45.74
Yes.
00:40:45.77\00:40:47.11
We naturally think
that my way is the highway,
00:40:47.14\00:40:50.05
my way is the best way.
00:40:50.08\00:40:51.95
And we really need to
give that up and realize, Lord,
00:40:51.98\00:40:55.02
I don't know how to
how to live in a way
00:40:55.05\00:40:58.02
that's good, or how to be happy
00:40:58.05\00:41:00.26
and how to do
what You want me to do.
00:41:00.29\00:41:01.82
I need to trust You,
and go into Your way.
00:41:01.86\00:41:05.46
So that's where we bury
our old life like baptism.
00:41:05.49\00:41:08.96
Yeah.
00:41:09.00\00:41:10.33
You bury the old life and
then you rise to a new life.
00:41:10.37\00:41:13.20
And, you know,
it's a, it's paradox,
00:41:13.23\00:41:15.64
because we think that
we're losing everything.
00:41:15.67\00:41:19.31
If we're going to
do God's will in life?
00:41:19.34\00:41:23.04
The feeling is,
it's too much to give up.
00:41:23.08\00:41:27.38
I've got too much to give up.
00:41:27.42\00:41:28.75
I'm not going to be happy.
00:41:28.78\00:41:30.15
He's going to restrict my life.
00:41:30.19\00:41:31.65
He's going to narrow my life.
00:41:31.69\00:41:33.66
And it's just,
it's not what I want.
00:41:33.69\00:41:35.32
Yeah.
00:41:35.36\00:41:36.69
And, but it's
really the opposite.
00:41:36.73\00:41:38.06
Right.
00:41:38.09\00:41:39.43
That going our way
is really the worst way
00:41:39.46\00:41:44.23
and surrendering to
Him and to do His will.
00:41:44.27\00:41:46.67
Right.
00:41:46.70\00:41:48.04
Then we do bloom. Yeah.
00:41:48.07\00:41:49.40
And we're happy. Right.
00:41:49.44\00:41:50.77
And we've discovered that
00:41:50.81\00:41:52.14
on the other
side of the surrender.
00:41:52.17\00:41:53.74
Right. Yeah.
00:41:53.78\00:41:55.44
There's a real freedom
in following God's will.
00:41:55.48\00:41:59.45
And so He wants us to be free.
00:41:59.48\00:42:00.92
We have free will
00:42:00.95\00:42:02.28
and so we're free to choose Him,
00:42:02.32\00:42:04.35
and He's a gentleman,
00:42:04.39\00:42:05.72
He stands at the door and knocks
00:42:05.75\00:42:07.52
and He doesn't force His way in,
00:42:07.56\00:42:09.22
so it's a beautiful
freedom that He gives us.
00:42:09.26\00:42:14.33
So, anything else on your
blog you want to tell us about?
00:42:14.36\00:42:17.07
That's the main promise,
it's still work in progress.
00:42:17.10\00:42:18.97
Okay.
00:42:19.00\00:42:20.34
So, it's there to bloom as well.
00:42:20.37\00:42:23.00
Good.
00:42:23.04\00:42:24.87
Well, I'll have
to check it out too.
00:42:24.91\00:42:27.08
Okay, let's see,
what else do we have?
00:42:27.11\00:42:28.44
We do have the
little pocket books
00:42:28.48\00:42:31.55
that I've, that I've written
00:42:31.58\00:42:33.92
as a result of
going through my battles.
00:42:33.95\00:42:35.98
And I guess I was, you know,
00:42:36.02\00:42:40.12
I was buried too and
now by the grace of God,
00:42:40.16\00:42:43.39
I'm blooming again.
00:42:43.43\00:42:45.79
My family can
see the improvement.
00:42:45.83\00:42:49.56
When I was really
depressed, you know,
00:42:49.60\00:42:51.63
my kids were just,
00:42:51.67\00:42:53.00
they were just
shocked, so is my wife.
00:42:53.03\00:42:54.44
And I remember when I
first started struggling
00:42:54.47\00:42:57.24
with the insomnia,
and I was not sleeping,
00:42:57.27\00:42:59.21
and I was, I felt like
I was just getting weaker.
00:42:59.24\00:43:02.14
I looked at myself in
the morning, and you know,
00:43:02.18\00:43:03.95
the bags were getting bigger,
00:43:03.98\00:43:05.31
and I was getting thinner
00:43:05.35\00:43:07.18
and my negative thoughts
were telling me, you know,
00:43:07.22\00:43:11.19
you're on the way down,
00:43:11.22\00:43:12.59
and you're not
going to get over this.
00:43:12.62\00:43:13.96
Yeah.
00:43:13.99\00:43:15.32
And so as I was
talking to my kids,
00:43:15.36\00:43:17.09
and Abby was, I
think, nine at that time,
00:43:17.13\00:43:20.23
I told my family
00:43:20.26\00:43:21.60
that you really
need to pray for dad,
00:43:21.63\00:43:24.17
because if I
don't get through this,
00:43:24.20\00:43:26.33
I don't know what's
going to happen to me.
00:43:26.37\00:43:27.97
I've got to get over this.
00:43:28.00\00:43:29.84
And then Abby
looked at me and she said,
00:43:29.87\00:43:31.37
"Daddy, do you
mean you might die?"
00:43:31.41\00:43:34.94
She said that.
00:43:34.98\00:43:36.31
And I was just shocked.
00:43:36.34\00:43:37.68
And I didn't
know what to tell her.
00:43:37.71\00:43:39.05
And I just looked at her
and I just nodded my head
00:43:39.08\00:43:41.78
if I don't get
through this, you know?
00:43:41.82\00:43:45.69
Yeah, maybe this
will happen to me.
00:43:45.72\00:43:47.99
And she just broke down.
00:43:48.02\00:43:49.42
It was one of the
saddest moments of my life.
00:43:49.46\00:43:51.06
My little girl
just ran over to me
00:43:51.09\00:43:54.20
and just hugged me
and just started crying.
00:43:54.23\00:43:57.20
She just cried
and cried and cried,
00:43:57.23\00:43:58.83
and she couldn't,
she wouldn't stop crying.
00:43:58.87\00:44:00.50
And I was holding
her and I just thought,
00:44:00.54\00:44:02.27
"Oh, God, you
know, this is terrible.
00:44:02.30\00:44:05.04
What am I going to do?
00:44:05.07\00:44:06.41
Please help me to
get through this."
00:44:06.44\00:44:07.84
And she just cried
and cried and cried.
00:44:07.88\00:44:10.11
And now she knows that,
you know, Daddy's doing good.
00:44:10.15\00:44:15.95
And it's such a blessing
to like have my life back.
00:44:15.98\00:44:19.52
Amen.
00:44:19.55\00:44:20.89
And it feel like I'm
doing something worthwhile.
00:44:20.92\00:44:22.89
Absolutely.
00:44:22.92\00:44:24.26
That I'm, you
know, I'm here with you.
00:44:24.29\00:44:25.89
Likewise.
00:44:25.93\00:44:27.26
Yeah, and you're sharing,
and I'm sharing, and hopefully,
00:44:27.30\00:44:29.33
we want you to be blessed.
00:44:29.36\00:44:30.97
And then when you get through
what you're going through,
00:44:31.00\00:44:33.94
God can use you
to help other people.
00:44:33.97\00:44:36.34
And anyway, that's
why I wrote these books,
00:44:36.37\00:44:38.51
because God brought me
through these and the first one
00:44:38.54\00:44:41.24
is Help for the Hopeless.
00:44:41.28\00:44:42.61
The little book
doesn't, it's very inexpensive.
00:44:42.64\00:44:45.65
And it's designed
to, to encourage you,
00:44:45.68\00:44:49.48
that other people go
through these things too,
00:44:49.52\00:44:51.79
and that there is hope.
00:44:51.82\00:44:53.29
There is help and there
is hope for the hopeless.
00:44:53.32\00:44:56.66
So this little book is available
00:44:56.69\00:44:58.49
and then so is this,
00:44:58.53\00:44:59.86
this little book
called Secrets of Inner Peace.
00:44:59.89\00:45:02.93
I've given out a
lot of these books
00:45:02.96\00:45:04.43
in airports when I travel.
00:45:04.47\00:45:06.47
And I can't recall hardly
anybody ever refusing this book
00:45:06.50\00:45:11.31
because everybody needs peace.
00:45:11.34\00:45:13.34
Yeah, one time I
was in an airport.
00:45:13.38\00:45:14.94
And I remember I was
waiting to get on a plane
00:45:14.98\00:45:16.91
and we were
delayed a little bit.
00:45:16.95\00:45:18.58
And I looked across from,
and I saw a little store there.
00:45:18.61\00:45:22.35
It was an electronic store.
00:45:22.38\00:45:23.72
And there was a man
00:45:23.75\00:45:25.09
standing at the
cash register by himself.
00:45:25.12\00:45:26.45
There's nobody in his store
00:45:26.49\00:45:27.82
and I had one of
these little books,
00:45:27.86\00:45:29.19
and I just had
this little thought
00:45:29.22\00:45:30.56
inside my head,
00:45:30.59\00:45:31.93
"Go, go give your
book to that man."
00:45:31.96\00:45:34.96
So I walked around,
00:45:35.00\00:45:37.73
and I went into the store
and there was nobody there
00:45:37.77\00:45:39.97
and I walked at
the cash register,
00:45:40.00\00:45:41.44
and I said, "Hey, would you
be interested in a little book,
00:45:41.47\00:45:44.34
I wrote this book
called Secrets of Inner Peace."
00:45:44.37\00:45:47.38
And he looked at
this beautiful cover,
00:45:47.41\00:45:49.18
it's very peaceful and relaxing.
00:45:49.21\00:45:51.15
Yeah.
00:45:51.18\00:45:52.51
He looked at
that, he looked at me,
00:45:52.55\00:45:53.88
and he said, "I
really need peace."
00:45:53.92\00:45:55.95
He just said, "This
is exactly what I need."
00:45:55.98\00:45:57.95
That's awesome.
00:45:57.99\00:45:59.32
And I said, "Well, I
think that somebody impressed me
00:45:59.35\00:46:02.02
to come and give you this book."
00:46:02.06\00:46:03.46
Yes, amen.
00:46:03.49\00:46:04.83
And so anyway,
this book is really,
00:46:04.86\00:46:06.49
it's about the power,
the power of the promises.
00:46:06.53\00:46:11.10
That's what it's about,
the power of the promises,
00:46:11.13\00:46:13.77
the promises of God
can give people peace.
00:46:13.80\00:46:17.87
Jesus said, "Peace be still."
00:46:17.91\00:46:19.84
John 14:27, Jesus said,
00:46:19.87\00:46:22.58
"Peace I leave with
you, My peace I give to you,
00:46:22.61\00:46:26.08
not as the world
gives do I give to you.
00:46:26.11\00:46:28.35
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."
00:46:28.38\00:46:32.02
So there's so many promises.
00:46:32.05\00:46:33.46
And a lot of times
when I go to bed at night,
00:46:33.49\00:46:36.02
or if I wake up in
the middle of the night,
00:46:36.06\00:46:37.89
I'm just
thinking of the promises.
00:46:37.93\00:46:39.79
There's a verse in Psalm 90.
00:46:39.83\00:46:42.13
Psalm 90, no 63, Psalm 63.
00:46:42.16\00:46:44.73
That says, when I
remember you on my bed,
00:46:44.77\00:46:49.07
and meditate on you
in the night seasons."
00:46:49.10\00:46:52.87
And then it says,
00:46:52.91\00:46:54.24
"I will praise
you with joyful lips,
00:46:54.28\00:46:56.14
for you have been my help.
00:46:56.18\00:46:57.81
And under the
shadow of your wings,
00:46:57.85\00:47:00.45
will I rejoice."
00:47:00.48\00:47:01.92
So these
promises are so powerful,
00:47:01.95\00:47:05.15
and they lift, they
lift us up, you know,
00:47:05.19\00:47:08.12
above the
discouragements of this life,
00:47:08.16\00:47:11.19
and especially as we get
closer to the final crisis,
00:47:11.23\00:47:14.63
earth's final crisis,
we need these promises.
00:47:14.66\00:47:18.30
So we can go
into the final battle,
00:47:18.33\00:47:20.97
trusting God being at peace,
00:47:21.00\00:47:23.30
and knowing that
He's going to be with us,
00:47:23.34\00:47:25.34
whatever happens, you
know, we all need that.
00:47:25.37\00:47:28.34
So these are,
00:47:28.38\00:47:29.71
these are
resources that are available.
00:47:29.74\00:47:33.52
Let's see what other
resources do we have?
00:47:33.55\00:47:35.42
Is there anything else, Christy,
00:47:35.45\00:47:36.79
you can think of any
books that you've read
00:47:36.82\00:47:38.95
that have really
been a blessing to you
00:47:38.99\00:47:40.76
outside of telling yourself
the truth or Dr. Nedley's book?
00:47:40.79\00:47:46.19
Any books you've done
a review on in your blog?
00:47:46.23\00:47:49.73
There's one by Paul Conniff,
00:47:49.76\00:47:51.77
I don't know if you're
familiar with Paul Conniff.
00:47:51.80\00:47:53.64
I went to school with Paul
at Weimar, believe it or not.
00:47:53.67\00:47:56.04
Actually, I'm sorry, I
didn't go to school there,
00:47:56.07\00:47:57.77
I taught there...
00:47:57.81\00:47:59.14
And he was a student.
00:47:59.17\00:48:00.51
He was a college student.
00:48:00.54\00:48:01.88
when I was teaching there in 19
00:48:01.91\00:48:04.55
I think it was '86 to '89.
00:48:04.58\00:48:07.42
That's when I
first met Paul Conniff.
00:48:07.45\00:48:09.52
He's wonderful man.
00:48:09.55\00:48:11.12
He has a book called the
Hidden Half of the Gospel.
00:48:11.15\00:48:13.89
And he talks about basically
00:48:13.92\00:48:15.46
how you can equate
Jesus story in Isaiah 53,
00:48:15.49\00:48:20.40
with something that
you may be struggling with.
00:48:20.43\00:48:23.30
And so you basically pick out
00:48:23.33\00:48:25.23
how you can
identify the way that Christ
00:48:25.27\00:48:27.17
suffered for us and before us.
00:48:27.20\00:48:29.97
And He entered into
00:48:30.01\00:48:31.41
these human
afflictions, basically.
00:48:31.44\00:48:34.64
And so it's very profound,
I'd recommend that one.
00:48:34.68\00:48:37.65
That's very good, because
then it's very relatable.
00:48:37.68\00:48:40.02
And there's different stories
00:48:40.05\00:48:41.38
that he draws his
own testimony from.
00:48:41.42\00:48:43.45
So it's very good book.
00:48:43.49\00:48:44.82
So it really goes
into the life of Jesus.
00:48:44.85\00:48:46.35
Yeah.
00:48:46.39\00:48:47.76
And how he related to people.
00:48:47.79\00:48:49.59
Yes, 'cause He was
tempted to numb His pain with,
00:48:49.62\00:48:53.16
you know, they wanted to numb it
00:48:53.19\00:48:54.70
with an alcohol type
of thing and so He...
00:48:54.73\00:48:57.63
When He was
hanging on the cross.
00:48:57.67\00:48:59.00
Hanging on the cross,
and how He suffered shame,
00:48:59.03\00:49:02.60
because He was
naked on the cross.
00:49:02.64\00:49:04.31
And so there's a lot
of ways that Jesus knows
00:49:04.34\00:49:06.68
what we're going through,
00:49:06.71\00:49:08.04
He can identify with us so it's,
00:49:08.08\00:49:10.11
it's pretty profound
reads, I'd recommend that one.
00:49:10.15\00:49:13.18
Again, that's powerful.
00:49:13.21\00:49:14.85
And I know that when I was
going through my dark times,
00:49:14.88\00:49:19.19
I remember really
looking at the life of Jesus
00:49:19.22\00:49:22.39
and seeing how He
related to the leper.
00:49:22.42\00:49:25.66
And the leper
came to Him and said,
00:49:25.69\00:49:27.76
if you are willing,
you can make me clean.
00:49:27.80\00:49:30.27
And then Jesus reached
out and touched him it says,
00:49:30.30\00:49:32.50
and he said, I'm
willing to be clean.
00:49:32.53\00:49:34.90
And back then if
someone was a leper,
00:49:34.94\00:49:36.77
I mean, leprosy is
very contagious disease,
00:49:36.81\00:49:38.77
and you don't touch lepers.
00:49:38.81\00:49:40.28
Right. But Jesus did it.
00:49:40.31\00:49:41.64
He wasn't concerned
about that. That's right.
00:49:41.68\00:49:43.61
And He touched
him, and He healed him.
00:49:43.65\00:49:46.18
And there's just so many
scenes in the life of Jesus
00:49:46.21\00:49:48.18
in Matthew, Mark, Luke
and John where Jesus is,
00:49:48.22\00:49:50.65
is ministering to
people who are all mixed up,
00:49:50.69\00:49:53.39
the prostitute, you know,
00:49:53.42\00:49:55.09
the people that
were demon possessed,
00:49:55.12\00:49:57.76
people that had all
kinds of sicknesses,
00:49:57.79\00:49:59.89
lepers, high and
low, rich and poor.
00:49:59.93\00:50:03.57
He loved them all. That's right.
00:50:03.60\00:50:05.13
And He was trying to help them
00:50:05.17\00:50:06.80
and when we
really get that picture,
00:50:06.84\00:50:09.07
that there is a God in heaven
00:50:09.10\00:50:11.14
who made this whole
world who loves us so much
00:50:11.17\00:50:15.04
that when man sinned
and went away from Him,
00:50:15.08\00:50:17.98
He did the unthinkable,
00:50:18.01\00:50:19.68
He became a human
and He veiled His glory,
00:50:19.71\00:50:26.49
so that when He
was walking around,
00:50:26.52\00:50:28.42
He just looked
like a regular man,
00:50:28.46\00:50:30.83
but He was not
just a regular man.
00:50:30.86\00:50:32.59
Right.
00:50:32.63\00:50:33.96
He's the maker of
all life. That's right.
00:50:34.00\00:50:35.66
Reaching out to His creation,
00:50:35.70\00:50:39.47
and trying to
show them His love.
00:50:39.50\00:50:41.77
That whatever the
devil says that God is mean,
00:50:41.80\00:50:44.21
He's bad, He's
harsh, He's angry.
00:50:44.24\00:50:46.57
You know, He hates you,
00:50:46.61\00:50:48.74
you're hopeless,
00:50:48.78\00:50:50.11
that all those
are lies of the devil,
00:50:50.15\00:50:52.35
and that the real God
00:50:52.38\00:50:54.15
loves us more than
we can possibly imagine.
00:50:54.18\00:50:56.32
That's right.
00:50:56.35\00:50:57.69
And that He's so committed to us
00:50:57.72\00:50:59.05
that He was willing
to become a human being.
00:50:59.09\00:51:00.76
And then He was
willing to give His life
00:51:00.79\00:51:03.02
on the cross to pay
the price for our sins,
00:51:03.06\00:51:07.40
and then die
buried, and then bloom,
00:51:07.43\00:51:10.57
and then rise from
the dead to give us hope.
00:51:10.60\00:51:13.64
That's right.
00:51:13.67\00:51:15.00
You know what a God we serve.
00:51:15.04\00:51:16.37
Amen.
00:51:16.40\00:51:17.74
And that's what really
turns people's lives around.
00:51:17.77\00:51:19.11
That's right, because it
says something in Isaiah 53,
00:51:19.14\00:51:22.01
that by His
stripes we are healed.
00:51:22.04\00:51:24.05
And there's
something in Paul's book,
00:51:24.08\00:51:25.55
he talks about that
He's the wounded healer.
00:51:25.58\00:51:28.02
And inside of Jesus
is a goldmine of grace.
00:51:28.05\00:51:31.39
And so to think of
Jesus like that, it's just,
00:51:31.42\00:51:33.92
it's very peaceful picture
and to know what He did for us.
00:51:33.96\00:51:37.59
And to know there's
no one is too far gone.
00:51:37.63\00:51:40.00
I mean, there's no
one that, you know,
00:51:40.03\00:51:42.70
this will not work
for Jesus does not love.
00:51:42.73\00:51:46.13
And so there,
it's never too late.
00:51:46.17\00:51:48.07
And so there's
hope for each one of us.
00:51:48.10\00:51:50.01
I really like that,
He's a goldmine of grace.
00:51:50.04\00:51:53.58
I've never heard that before.
00:51:53.61\00:51:54.94
It's beautiful. Yeah.
00:51:54.98\00:51:56.31
When I was going
through my dark, darkest times,
00:51:56.34\00:51:59.01
I just thought, you know,
I learned that there is no,
00:51:59.05\00:52:03.52
no limit to the length of
the golden chain of mercy.
00:52:03.55\00:52:10.19
It can reach down to the bottom,
00:52:10.23\00:52:12.73
no matter how far down you are,
00:52:12.76\00:52:15.06
the golden chain of mercy
00:52:15.10\00:52:17.87
is able to reach
you where you are.
00:52:17.90\00:52:20.87
That's right.
00:52:20.90\00:52:22.24
And we all need that hope.
00:52:22.27\00:52:24.04
You know, that's what we need.
00:52:24.07\00:52:26.78
That's what this world
needs in the midst of a crisis,
00:52:26.81\00:52:30.55
the Coronavirus
crisis or any other crisis,
00:52:30.58\00:52:34.62
whether or the final crisis,
00:52:34.65\00:52:37.49
or anything that we
go through in our life,
00:52:37.52\00:52:40.22
there's nothing that is
too big for God to handle.
00:52:40.26\00:52:45.76
I think probably
the greatest battle
00:52:45.79\00:52:48.13
is to believe that.
00:52:48.16\00:52:51.13
Yeah.
00:52:51.17\00:52:52.63
To believe that there is a
God in heaven, who loves us,
00:52:52.67\00:52:56.94
and who can help us,
and who wants to help us,
00:52:56.97\00:53:00.38
and who will help
us no matter what,
00:53:00.41\00:53:02.74
and it's not,
you know, it's not.
00:53:02.78\00:53:06.05
You know, we can't,
00:53:06.08\00:53:07.42
it's unrealistic to think
that everything will go right
00:53:07.45\00:53:10.69
just because we're a Christian.
00:53:10.72\00:53:12.85
Because I mean,
look at Jesus, you know,
00:53:12.89\00:53:14.76
He suffered, and He agonized,
00:53:14.79\00:53:17.86
and He hung on a cross.
00:53:17.89\00:53:20.40
And He was in
darkness too for three hours.
00:53:20.43\00:53:24.53
That's right, He felt
separated from His Father,
00:53:24.57\00:53:27.20
and yet He trusted God anyway.
00:53:27.24\00:53:29.64
And that's, you
know, we have to,
00:53:29.67\00:53:31.64
the temptation is
to get angry with God,
00:53:31.67\00:53:35.08
to, you know, challenge Him
and to question Him and like,
00:53:35.11\00:53:39.95
that's what Job went through,
you know, those temptations,
00:53:39.98\00:53:42.58
but he came out of all that.
00:53:42.62\00:53:44.19
It says Job did not
sinned with his lips,
00:53:44.22\00:53:46.42
and he still trusted God,
00:53:46.45\00:53:47.86
though he slay me
yet will I trust Him.
00:53:47.89\00:53:49.89
And we will learn
on the other side,
00:53:49.92\00:53:52.56
that if we
continue to trust Him,
00:53:52.59\00:53:54.73
He'll make it all up to us.
00:53:54.76\00:53:56.10
Yeah.
00:53:56.13\00:53:57.47
That's very
encouraging to know that,
00:53:57.50\00:53:59.83
and there's hope for
anyone, depression is winnable.
00:53:59.87\00:54:03.10
And that's the good news.
00:54:03.14\00:54:04.47
And there's a solution.
00:54:04.51\00:54:05.84
So it's not something
00:54:05.87\00:54:07.21
that somebody
has to struggle with
00:54:07.24\00:54:08.58
for the rest of their lives.
00:54:08.61\00:54:09.94
Which is what a
lot of, you know,
00:54:09.98\00:54:12.58
pharmaceutical companies
00:54:12.61\00:54:13.95
and other
entities will tell you,
00:54:13.98\00:54:17.09
but that's not true.
00:54:17.12\00:54:18.45
So there's a way out,
and there is a solution,
00:54:18.49\00:54:21.12
and it can get better.
00:54:21.16\00:54:22.79
It can solve a bit.
00:54:22.82\00:54:24.16
Yeah, we have just
about two minutes left.
00:54:24.19\00:54:25.53
Any other than
that any final thoughts
00:54:25.56\00:54:28.06
you want to share?
00:54:28.10\00:54:29.43
I just want to say,
00:54:29.46\00:54:30.80
I just want to make an
appeal that it's never too late.
00:54:30.83\00:54:33.47
You're not alone.
00:54:33.50\00:54:35.30
The Lord does have a
hope and a future for you.
00:54:35.34\00:54:38.04
Jeremiah 29:11,
00:54:38.07\00:54:39.47
you can put your name in there,
00:54:39.51\00:54:41.11
personalize it
and read it every day,
00:54:41.14\00:54:43.65
until it becomes a new way
00:54:43.68\00:54:45.21
for you to
think about your life.
00:54:45.25\00:54:47.48
You can change the way you think
00:54:47.52\00:54:49.55
if you reach out to Jesus
00:54:49.58\00:54:50.92
and surrender
your life over to Him.
00:54:50.95\00:54:54.76
And He did it for
you. That's right.
00:54:54.79\00:54:56.52
And He did it for me.
00:54:56.56\00:54:59.33
And He will do it.
00:54:59.36\00:55:00.70
He'll do it for you.
00:55:00.73\00:55:02.20
And one of the
things that really helps
00:55:02.23\00:55:04.07
as we look at all the things
that are going on around us
00:55:04.10\00:55:07.84
is to keep our
eye on the other side
00:55:07.87\00:55:10.37
in Revelation 22:4.
00:55:10.41\00:55:13.44
It says that, "One of these days
00:55:13.48\00:55:15.31
that God shall wipe away
all tears from their eyes.
00:55:15.34\00:55:20.55
And there shall
be no more death."
00:55:20.58\00:55:23.49
Death is going to be gone,
00:55:23.52\00:55:24.85
funerals are going to be gone
committal services, burials.
00:55:24.89\00:55:28.72
"There shall be no
more death, neither sorrow,
00:55:28.76\00:55:31.66
all the pain and
sadness that we go through,
00:55:31.69\00:55:35.53
nor crying, no more tears,
00:55:35.56\00:55:38.60
neither shall
there be any more pain,
00:55:38.63\00:55:40.74
for the former
things are passed away."
00:55:40.77\00:55:44.14
And then verse 5,
Revelation 21:5 says,
00:55:44.17\00:55:46.51
"And he that sat
upon the throne said,
00:55:46.54\00:55:48.84
'Behold, I make all things new.'
00:55:48.88\00:55:51.95
And he said to me,
'Write, for these words
00:55:51.98\00:55:55.58
are true and faithful.'"
00:55:55.62\00:55:58.62
The words of the
Bible are the truth.
00:55:58.65\00:56:01.99
These words are
true and faithful,
00:56:02.02\00:56:03.36
and whatever we go
through if we choose
00:56:03.39\00:56:06.43
not to trust our,
00:56:06.46\00:56:08.13
our negative thinking
00:56:08.16\00:56:09.50
or what other
people may say, or do,
00:56:09.53\00:56:12.37
or whatever our
emotions may say to us,
00:56:12.40\00:56:15.14
if we choose to
trust in the book,
00:56:15.17\00:56:17.54
the eternal Word of God,
00:56:17.57\00:56:19.41
these words are
faithful and true.
00:56:19.44\00:56:22.11
It'll give us hope.
00:56:22.14\00:56:23.48
It will help us to
trust in a God of love
00:56:23.51\00:56:25.95
and God of mercy,
00:56:25.98\00:56:27.32
God of kindness
and God of compassion,
00:56:27.35\00:56:29.38
and we realize
that underneath us
00:56:29.42\00:56:31.62
are the everlasting arms,
00:56:31.65\00:56:33.15
and He will bring us
00:56:33.19\00:56:34.52
through all the way to
His beautiful tomorrow.
00:56:34.56\00:56:38.29
God bless you.
00:56:38.33\00:56:42.00
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