Welcome to "For Guys Only," 00:00:01.33\00:00:02.66 a program that deals with topics 00:00:02.70\00:00:04.57 specifically geared for the urban man. 00:00:04.60\00:00:07.40 I'm Pastor William Lee, 00:00:07.44\00:00:08.77 and I'm so thankful that you joined us 00:00:08.80\00:00:10.17 for another broadcast today. 00:00:10.21\00:00:11.81 Listen, today our topic is very interesting. 00:00:11.84\00:00:14.41 It is violence in the family. 00:00:14.44\00:00:17.25 I invite you right now to join us 00:00:17.31\00:00:18.95 as we go into our broadcast. 00:00:18.98\00:00:20.42 Gentlemen, once again, 00:00:37.10\00:00:38.43 I want to welcome you to another broadcast on today. 00:00:38.47\00:00:41.40 Listen, today, we want to kind of get 00:00:41.44\00:00:42.87 right into our discussion. 00:00:42.90\00:00:45.21 It's good to see you, Brandon. 00:00:45.24\00:00:46.94 You've been a blessing throughout our broadcast 00:00:47.01\00:00:49.71 as well as Colin, we're grateful for the insight 00:00:49.74\00:00:53.18 that you're bringing, as well as Muta as well, 00:00:53.21\00:00:56.22 the key issues that you're pointing out as well. 00:00:56.25\00:00:59.35 Let's kind of deal, you know, 00:00:59.39\00:01:01.09 today with family violence 00:01:01.12\00:01:05.06 as we have a word of prayer, first and foremost. 00:01:05.09\00:01:07.10 Let's pray. 00:01:07.13\00:01:08.43 Father, God, we thank You for the protection 00:01:08.46\00:01:11.30 and for the guidance that You give. 00:01:11.33\00:01:12.80 I pray Father now 00:01:12.83\00:01:14.20 for Your Holy Spirit to speak to us 00:01:14.24\00:01:16.00 and speak to the viewer even now is my prayer, 00:01:16.04\00:01:18.44 in Jesus' name, amen. 00:01:18.47\00:01:21.38 Violence in the family. 00:01:21.41\00:01:23.01 This is a subject that oftentimes 00:01:23.04\00:01:26.45 is not discussed. 00:01:26.48\00:01:29.02 There is a slogan that 00:01:29.05\00:01:31.25 that's been promulgated so long that says 00:01:31.29\00:01:33.92 what goes on in the house stays in the house. 00:01:33.96\00:01:38.46 But there are some real issues that we need to discuss today 00:01:38.49\00:01:41.16 as it relates to violence in the family. 00:01:41.20\00:01:43.90 Dr. King, you've kind of given us 00:01:43.93\00:01:45.30 the historical perspective 00:01:45.33\00:01:46.70 as it relates to some topics in the past. 00:01:46.77\00:01:49.40 Can you just bring it to us again? 00:01:49.44\00:01:51.07 Right, sure. 00:01:51.11\00:01:52.44 It is a known fact 00:01:52.47\00:01:53.81 that physical violence against women 00:01:53.84\00:01:56.98 occur more often than car accidents, 00:01:57.01\00:02:00.32 muggings, and rapes combined. 00:02:00.35\00:02:03.39 Consider this, annually in this country, 00:02:03.42\00:02:06.69 more than 17,500 women 00:02:06.76\00:02:10.03 are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. 00:02:10.06\00:02:15.96 Sexual assaults, every year, 00:02:16.00\00:02:18.37 the average is 427 women 00:02:18.40\00:02:22.87 who are sexually assaulted by 815. 00:02:22.90\00:02:26.78 Wow. 00:02:26.84\00:02:28.28 Pretty staggering information. 00:02:28.31\00:02:31.45 It doesn't only happen outside of the church. 00:02:31.48\00:02:36.22 It also happens in our church. 00:02:36.25\00:02:38.62 In one of the recent surveys at one of our churches, 00:02:38.65\00:02:42.59 30% of the women reported 00:02:42.62\00:02:45.29 being abused in one form or the other. 00:02:45.33\00:02:49.70 Now nationally, 00:02:49.73\00:02:52.93 6 out of every 10 girls 00:02:52.97\00:02:56.84 are sexually abused. 00:02:56.87\00:02:58.64 And 4 out of every 10 boys are sexually abused. 00:02:58.67\00:03:03.18 That's so widespread the issue of violence 00:03:03.21\00:03:06.18 and abuse is in our church. 00:03:06.21\00:03:07.98 Wow. 00:03:08.02\00:03:09.35 I mean, those digits are staggering. 00:03:09.38\00:03:11.25 To consider that I mean, 00:03:11.29\00:03:12.62 4 out of 10, 6 out of 10, I mean, 00:03:12.65\00:03:14.49 that's, unbelievable. 00:03:14.52\00:03:16.02 That's why we want to talk about this today 00:03:16.06\00:03:18.59 because we want to kind of remove the curtain back 00:03:18.63\00:03:21.10 and to be able to understand that 00:03:21.13\00:03:23.33 God has certain parameters for us to operate in. 00:03:23.37\00:03:27.00 I think one of the things that we see a lot of times 00:03:27.04\00:03:29.17 is that the man in the home, 00:03:29.20\00:03:32.11 you know, because he's working hard, 00:03:32.14\00:03:34.04 because he's taking care of his family. 00:03:34.08\00:03:36.44 There are some things that are just expected of him. 00:03:36.48\00:03:39.15 But then he has that heavy burden 00:03:39.18\00:03:41.12 that he's carrying. 00:03:41.15\00:03:42.48 And sometimes there is abuse 00:03:42.52\00:03:45.35 that's done by men in the home. 00:03:45.39\00:03:48.59 Sometimes it's not always physical, 00:03:48.62\00:03:50.63 but it can be verbal. 00:03:50.69\00:03:52.73 Verbal abuse that's happening right now. 00:03:52.76\00:03:54.73 What's been your perspective, anyone of you all, 00:03:54.76\00:03:58.30 as relates to the verbal side of abuse? 00:03:58.33\00:04:03.20 You know, before we go that 00:04:03.24\00:04:04.84 if you'll tolerate me, 00:04:04.87\00:04:06.34 I need to hear one of your statistics again. 00:04:06.37\00:04:10.55 And I think it was 427... 00:04:10.58\00:04:13.35 Thousand. What was that again? 00:04:13.42\00:04:16.79 Women who are sexually assaulted 00:04:16.82\00:04:18.99 by age 15. 00:04:19.02\00:04:20.36 Okay, so the number is 427,000? 00:04:20.39\00:04:22.82 Mm-hm. Okay. 00:04:22.86\00:04:24.79 And the reason why I had to go back is 00:04:24.83\00:04:26.16 'cause the first time I thought I just heard 427, 00:04:26.19\00:04:29.76 this is just a whole different deal 00:04:29.80\00:04:32.10 and the numbers of this proportion 00:04:32.13\00:04:34.70 is just staggering. 00:04:34.74\00:04:36.87 And the problem is widespread. 00:04:36.91\00:04:41.58 And it is oftentimes, 00:04:41.61\00:04:44.15 instances of abuse go unreported, 00:04:44.21\00:04:47.72 either because of a fear of repercussion 00:04:47.75\00:04:50.45 because typically, 00:04:50.49\00:04:52.22 when instances are reported, 00:04:52.25\00:04:55.49 there is this threat of retaliation 00:04:55.52\00:04:58.99 and quite often, 00:04:59.03\00:05:00.73 there's a long process that is involved 00:05:00.76\00:05:03.37 in terms of taking out 00:05:03.40\00:05:04.73 a restraining order against someone, 00:05:04.77\00:05:06.94 you actually have to prove that your life is at risk. 00:05:06.97\00:05:10.81 However, before you get to that point, 00:05:10.84\00:05:12.34 more than likely 00:05:12.37\00:05:13.71 you would have been verbally abused, 00:05:13.78\00:05:16.24 you would have been shoved around, 00:05:16.28\00:05:17.78 you would have been physically abused 00:05:17.81\00:05:19.45 before the person typically reaches out for help. 00:05:19.48\00:05:24.09 So let's kind of go back then, 00:05:24.12\00:05:26.09 let's go back to the verbal abuse 00:05:26.12\00:05:28.66 that happens in our homes, you know, 00:05:28.69\00:05:31.09 what causes so much of the violence. 00:05:31.13\00:05:33.93 We hear the statistics, they're happening right now. 00:05:34.00\00:05:35.90 But what are some of the main, 00:05:35.93\00:05:37.27 what's leading up to it that 00:05:37.33\00:05:38.97 they're actually being reported 00:05:39.00\00:05:40.90 and things have been done about? 00:05:40.94\00:05:42.27 You know, verbal abuse can be very, very subtle, 00:05:42.30\00:05:45.11 and quite often, it starts in a very subtle way, 00:05:45.14\00:05:47.94 you know, "You're no good, 00:05:47.98\00:05:50.01 you know, you're too fat, you know, you're ugly, 00:05:50.05\00:05:54.18 you know, you don't please me anymore, 00:05:54.22\00:05:56.65 you are dumb," and so on, and so forth. 00:05:56.69\00:05:59.22 And once that gets started, it takes on a different tone, 00:05:59.25\00:06:03.96 and the intensity tends to increase over time. 00:06:03.99\00:06:08.16 And then it becomes more pointed 00:06:08.20\00:06:11.77 and then they're not so subtle threats now 00:06:11.80\00:06:15.97 that are involved in the abuse, you know, 00:06:16.00\00:06:20.21 "Why did I marry you, you know, 00:06:20.28\00:06:22.28 I wish I didn't, get out of my house," 00:06:22.31\00:06:25.85 and it takes it up to a notch. 00:06:25.88\00:06:27.65 And once that continues, quite often, 00:06:27.68\00:06:29.98 it leads to physical aggression against women. 00:06:30.02\00:06:33.19 Okay. Okay. 00:06:33.22\00:06:34.59 But I do want to say that men, 00:06:34.62\00:06:38.16 some men are also abused by women, 00:06:38.19\00:06:41.00 it's not a one-way street. 00:06:41.03\00:06:42.76 This by all means is a two-way street. 00:06:42.80\00:06:45.97 So we've got kind of, you know, 00:06:46.00\00:06:47.67 discuss the verbal side of it 00:06:47.70\00:06:49.44 and what kind of leads up to it. 00:06:49.47\00:06:52.07 The other thing is that it happens in the church. 00:06:52.11\00:06:56.04 And let's just be frank, we've seen instances, 00:06:56.08\00:07:00.05 we've even seen it or we have heard 00:07:00.08\00:07:03.25 incidents of abuse in the church. 00:07:03.28\00:07:07.72 And so many times, you know, in the church, whatever church, 00:07:07.76\00:07:11.19 you know, a lot of people turn, you know, a death eye, 00:07:11.23\00:07:14.03 you know, "Didn't know, 00:07:14.10\00:07:15.43 I don't want to I don't want to talk about 00:07:15.46\00:07:16.87 I don't want to deal with it." 00:07:16.90\00:07:18.80 What do we do as relates to you know, the church? 00:07:18.83\00:07:21.84 You know, should we speak out? 00:07:21.87\00:07:23.91 Should the church have a voice as relates to abuse in the home 00:07:23.94\00:07:29.04 with his with children or are with women? 00:07:29.08\00:07:31.98 Well, I'm going to make some comments 00:07:32.01\00:07:36.15 which could be misconstrued 00:07:36.18\00:07:38.92 or could be misinterpreted to be frightening 00:07:38.95\00:07:42.32 but are true. 00:07:42.36\00:07:44.06 Our church structure is set up in such a way that 00:07:44.13\00:07:47.30 it could be a breeding ground for abuse. 00:07:47.30\00:07:52.47 You know, we have very strict rules. 00:07:52.50\00:07:56.47 We believe in secrecy. 00:07:56.50\00:08:00.04 You know, we, we keep it in a church, 00:08:00.11\00:08:02.14 you know, we are God's people, 00:08:02.18\00:08:03.88 we should be the head, another tail. 00:08:03.91\00:08:06.98 And I know if I have an office in the church, 00:08:07.05\00:08:10.05 and something bad happens, 00:08:10.12\00:08:12.05 then that office is going to be taken away from me 00:08:12.09\00:08:14.62 and want to be disciplined. 00:08:14.66\00:08:16.26 So because of that, I am very careful 00:08:16.29\00:08:20.53 to disguise the instances of abuse, 00:08:20.56\00:08:23.03 so it's a perfect breeding ground for abuse. 00:08:23.06\00:08:25.70 Wow. Wow. 00:08:25.73\00:08:27.74 Muta, you know, again, we look to you sometimes 00:08:27.77\00:08:31.41 because, you know, you work with children. 00:08:31.44\00:08:34.08 And in an urban setting, you know, 00:08:34.11\00:08:36.34 you're prone to come across a child that 00:08:36.38\00:08:39.38 that has been abused 00:08:39.41\00:08:40.75 or you may suspect that they've been abused. 00:08:40.82\00:08:44.59 What's kind of been your experience, 00:08:44.62\00:08:46.15 if you've experienced anything of that sense 00:08:46.19\00:08:48.32 or have you been able to sense 00:08:48.36\00:08:49.76 even that there's been abuse 00:08:49.79\00:08:51.73 in especially with young children 00:08:51.76\00:08:53.53 in the home with a Christian or non-Christian? 00:08:53.60\00:08:57.83 Well, yes, with both. 00:08:57.87\00:09:00.90 And I work with ages 14-18 00:09:00.97\00:09:05.67 and you can see the effects of that abuse. 00:09:05.71\00:09:09.14 A lot of times, I mean, you can go into any mall 00:09:09.18\00:09:12.75 right now in an urban area, 00:09:12.78\00:09:14.28 and you see some little three-year-old tagging along 00:09:14.35\00:09:16.58 and maybe she or he's not walking fast enough 00:09:16.62\00:09:19.52 and mom is, you know, yelling to come on. 00:09:19.55\00:09:24.19 And the baby may be tired, maybe sleepy, 00:09:24.26\00:09:27.36 but the mother or the father will not pick that child up. 00:09:27.40\00:09:30.50 But they're talking about how slow they are 00:09:30.57\00:09:32.10 and there's some words 00:09:32.13\00:09:33.47 that I wouldn't even say on the program, 00:09:33.54\00:09:35.30 but that they're saying to these young people, 00:09:35.34\00:09:38.04 I mean to these kids, 00:09:38.07\00:09:39.51 and this is having an effect on them as they grow. 00:09:39.54\00:09:43.45 So now they start perpetuating 00:09:43.48\00:09:46.41 some of these things 00:09:46.45\00:09:48.42 that have been put in their head. 00:09:48.45\00:09:51.25 They start coming alive. 00:09:51.29\00:09:52.75 I mean, I heard a young lady say about her daughter 00:09:52.79\00:09:56.12 and the young lady was about 16 years old 00:09:56.16\00:09:58.23 and she said, 00:09:58.26\00:09:59.73 "Oh, my daughter is fast already." 00:09:59.76\00:10:01.66 Hmm. 00:10:01.70\00:10:03.03 Why would you say that about your daughter? 00:10:03.06\00:10:04.40 So if you keep telling your daughter, 00:10:04.43\00:10:05.77 she's fast, and she's two years old, 00:10:05.80\00:10:07.50 and you tell her that until she's 10, 00:10:07.54\00:10:08.94 what do you think she's going to be? 00:10:08.97\00:10:10.91 Or, "My child is not smart. 00:10:10.94\00:10:13.21 He's just not getting it. 00:10:13.24\00:10:14.74 He's just not getting it." 00:10:14.78\00:10:16.58 What do you think is going to happen? 00:10:16.61\00:10:18.18 That kid is 16 years old and he fails a test, 00:10:18.21\00:10:20.88 "I'm just not getting it." 00:10:20.92\00:10:22.52 So this happens in and out of the church. 00:10:22.55\00:10:25.22 And one way to I think, I believe you asked about 00:10:25.25\00:10:30.39 what can we do as church, 00:10:30.43\00:10:32.09 it's community, the church is supposed to be a community. 00:10:32.13\00:10:36.80 And if I'm in community with you, 00:10:36.83\00:10:39.80 I'll feel more comfortable to come and address an issue 00:10:39.83\00:10:43.20 that I see, a lot of times, 00:10:43.24\00:10:45.91 we lack, some of us lack that community, 00:10:45.94\00:10:48.94 because we just want to keep our problems to ourselves, 00:10:48.98\00:10:50.88 we don't want anybody know what's really going on with us. 00:10:50.91\00:10:53.55 And so now it puts me in a situation 00:10:53.58\00:10:57.02 where I can't easily get help or help somebody else. 00:10:57.05\00:11:01.89 Okay. Okay. 00:11:01.92\00:11:03.26 You know, what I hear is that fundamentally 00:11:03.29\00:11:08.06 there's anger there, there's some type of anger, 00:11:08.10\00:11:11.33 which eventually manifests itself in, 00:11:11.37\00:11:14.20 excuse me, in someone's life, 00:11:14.24\00:11:15.80 you know, in a negative display that's deep seated inside. 00:11:15.84\00:11:22.44 So I think that at some point, 00:11:22.48\00:11:23.85 we got to really talk about the anger 00:11:23.91\00:11:26.15 that's there and seek professional help 00:11:26.18\00:11:29.05 to deal with some of those things. 00:11:29.08\00:11:31.15 Yes, my dad, he was good for good sayings. 00:11:31.19\00:11:35.39 And one that he laid on us pretty young 00:11:35.42\00:11:39.33 and it stuck with me to this day is, 00:11:39.36\00:11:42.13 "Cursing or verbal abuse is a weak mind's 00:11:42.16\00:11:46.03 way of expressing itself strongly." 00:11:46.07\00:11:49.67 And what young boy wants to be classified as weak. 00:11:49.70\00:11:54.48 So there was choice words in there 00:11:54.51\00:11:57.18 that stick with me to this day because even today, 00:11:57.21\00:12:00.65 I don't want to be weak. 00:12:00.72\00:12:02.85 So when I feel myself getting to some place, 00:12:02.88\00:12:06.15 where if I cross this line, 00:12:06.19\00:12:08.26 it's simply a weak man trying to be strong. 00:12:08.29\00:12:12.83 Just that kind of pushes me back. 00:12:12.86\00:12:15.30 I mean, I know it's the Holy Ghost, 00:12:15.33\00:12:17.13 Holy Ghost bringing back to my mind, 00:12:17.17\00:12:19.57 those things that He taught me through my father, 00:12:19.60\00:12:22.40 but I just wanted to throw that out and hopefully, 00:12:22.44\00:12:24.64 it'll help somebody when they reach that edge 00:12:24.67\00:12:27.14 to maybe reflect and decide to take a better path. 00:12:27.18\00:12:30.21 Okay. Yeah. 00:12:30.25\00:12:31.58 You had mentioned about the hurt that's there. 00:12:31.61\00:12:36.38 One of my favorite pastors said, 00:12:36.42\00:12:40.56 the times where our children make us mad the most 00:12:40.62\00:12:44.59 is when they're behaving just like us. 00:12:44.63\00:12:48.10 So a lot of times, 00:12:48.13\00:12:49.80 the weakness that we're seeing in our child, 00:12:49.83\00:12:52.60 the inability to accomplish certain things 00:12:52.63\00:12:55.64 that we're seeing in our child, 00:12:55.67\00:12:57.44 when we're yelling at them or we're seeing these things, 00:12:57.47\00:13:00.68 we're actually saying those things to ourselves. 00:13:00.71\00:13:03.11 Absolutely. You know, words are powerful. 00:13:03.14\00:13:07.05 There's a saying that says, you know, 00:13:07.12\00:13:08.62 "Sticks and stones may break my bones, 00:13:08.65\00:13:10.62 but words will never hurt me." 00:13:10.69\00:13:13.36 That's the biggest lie as far as ever been told. 00:13:13.39\00:13:16.96 You know, words hurt, 00:13:17.03\00:13:18.36 I tell people sometimes I rather be, 00:13:18.39\00:13:19.83 you know, beat upside to head, you know, with a bat, 00:13:19.86\00:13:22.23 knock my legs out like I'll fall 00:13:22.26\00:13:23.73 and then eventually I'll heal, 00:13:23.77\00:13:25.17 you know, from that pain, but, you know, 00:13:25.20\00:13:26.94 words that we say sometimes those things carry, 00:13:27.00\00:13:30.07 you know, for years and years and years, and we struggle, 00:13:30.11\00:13:34.64 men struggle with words 00:13:34.68\00:13:36.48 that have been used against them 00:13:36.51\00:13:38.45 or that they have used against someone else, 00:13:38.48\00:13:40.68 sometimes to control the other person as well. 00:13:40.72\00:13:44.92 You know, there's also this whole issue 00:13:44.95\00:13:46.82 of the type of music 00:13:46.86\00:13:49.32 that is available today that sort of gives license 00:13:49.36\00:13:53.26 to guys to beat up on women, 00:13:53.29\00:13:56.70 the lyrics, the suggestions, the devaluing of women, 00:13:56.73\00:14:01.77 the sexualizing of women, 00:14:01.80\00:14:04.67 and, you know, some of the songs 00:14:04.71\00:14:06.68 they're so inappropriate, 00:14:06.71\00:14:08.98 you can't even repeat the words on this show. 00:14:09.01\00:14:11.71 And those are some of the songs 00:14:11.75\00:14:13.15 that the young boys are listening to constantly. 00:14:13.18\00:14:16.82 And so it is not surprising that in a fit of rage, 00:14:16.89\00:14:20.39 they tend to act out. 00:14:20.46\00:14:22.86 That's powerful right there, the music that people 00:14:22.89\00:14:25.53 are listening to and all the rest 00:14:25.56\00:14:27.30 that that we're seeing today as well. 00:14:27.30\00:14:29.90 What about, you know, that the man that has... 00:14:29.93\00:14:34.54 You know I'll say it this way, I already know the answer, 00:14:34.57\00:14:37.01 but just for discussion purposes, 00:14:37.07\00:14:38.54 let's just say it this way. 00:14:38.57\00:14:39.91 Is it ever justified for a man 00:14:39.94\00:14:45.38 to put his hands on a woman? 00:14:45.41\00:14:47.58 Is there a time to justify, you know... 00:14:47.62\00:14:52.62 Guess I'll just throw it out right there, 00:14:52.65\00:14:54.02 you know, I don't want to go too far away. 00:14:54.06\00:14:55.39 Is there a time? 00:14:55.42\00:14:56.79 Men come up with reasons 00:14:56.83\00:14:58.96 why they think it is justifiable. 00:14:58.99\00:15:01.70 You know, "She made me do this 00:15:01.73\00:15:04.17 or she made me mad or she stepped over the line." 00:15:04.20\00:15:08.80 And one of the reasons why, 00:15:08.84\00:15:12.01 as men, we have to say that is 00:15:12.04\00:15:13.58 because we cannot look at ourselves 00:15:13.61\00:15:16.95 and accept the fact 00:15:16.98\00:15:19.58 that we are committing acts of violence. 00:15:19.61\00:15:22.75 And so because we cannot come to grips with that, 00:15:22.78\00:15:25.49 we've got to find an excuse, we've got to find a scapegoat. 00:15:25.52\00:15:29.62 And that act is terrible, therefore, 00:15:29.66\00:15:32.43 it's not me who's doing that, 00:15:32.46\00:15:34.46 it's this person who is making me do that. 00:15:34.46\00:15:37.03 But to answer your question, 00:15:37.07\00:15:38.40 there is absolutely no excuse 00:15:38.43\00:15:41.14 to put our hands on any woman 00:15:41.17\00:15:44.67 or any girl, on any child even. 00:15:44.71\00:15:48.84 Even if they were, I mean all in my face, 00:15:48.88\00:15:53.48 you know, you know, pushing me and saying, 00:15:53.52\00:15:56.52 "You're no good. 00:15:56.55\00:15:57.89 You know, you're just like, you know, someone else." 00:15:57.92\00:16:01.22 And, you know, this really happens 00:16:01.26\00:16:04.06 especially in the urban community 00:16:04.09\00:16:05.43 that behind closed doors, 00:16:05.46\00:16:07.13 I mean, there are fisticuffs that are there going on. 00:16:07.13\00:16:11.40 I think there might be some very rare exceptions. 00:16:11.43\00:16:17.61 And that, you know, you probably will agree. 00:16:17.64\00:16:22.11 Well, let's get into it. 00:16:22.14\00:16:23.58 Yeah, I think you will agree in these cases 00:16:23.65\00:16:26.28 because I think I understand the context 00:16:26.31\00:16:27.95 with which you gave your answer. 00:16:27.98\00:16:29.48 If you see a woman 00:16:29.52\00:16:31.99 and she is in the act of physically abusing a child, 00:16:32.02\00:16:36.83 and you intervene, you restrain, 00:16:36.86\00:16:40.73 you don't hit her or anything, 00:16:40.80\00:16:42.10 but you try to try to hold her back 00:16:42.13\00:16:44.13 from the child, 00:16:44.17\00:16:45.50 you're putting your hands on her in a forceful way. 00:16:45.53\00:16:49.97 But you are trying to achieve some higher good 00:16:50.01\00:16:53.84 and I'm not going to turn this into justifying means. 00:16:53.88\00:16:57.21 But I think sometimes 00:16:57.25\00:16:58.58 we find ourselves in situations like where you say, 00:16:58.61\00:17:01.32 the girl or the woman's coming at you 00:17:01.35\00:17:03.45 with a knife and your back is against the wall, 00:17:03.52\00:17:05.35 you need to do you need to try to find that hard 00:17:05.39\00:17:07.52 and restrain, but if there's... 00:17:07.59\00:17:12.43 Even in those situations, if there is a way of escape, 00:17:12.46\00:17:15.43 it's better to escape than to even try to restrain 00:17:15.46\00:17:18.67 in those situations. 00:17:18.70\00:17:20.04 So I think there's some rare situations. 00:17:20.07\00:17:21.87 And the other point I want to clarify 00:17:21.90\00:17:23.51 is when we say a child, I'm assuming 00:17:23.54\00:17:27.48 that's out of the context of punishing a child 00:17:27.51\00:17:30.45 for wrong behavior. 00:17:30.48\00:17:31.81 Sure. Your child, yes. 00:17:31.85\00:17:35.35 And the Bible is clear that, you know... 00:17:35.38\00:17:37.32 Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:17:37.39\00:17:38.99 So there's definitely a guy gives us those parameters 00:17:39.02\00:17:41.66 where we're able to discipline our children for sure. 00:17:41.69\00:17:45.16 Absolutely. Can you agree with me on... 00:17:45.19\00:17:47.60 You know what, you are on that. 00:17:47.60\00:17:48.93 You are absolutely right. 00:17:48.96\00:17:50.63 There is a difference between defensive action 00:17:50.67\00:17:55.67 and aggressive action. 00:17:55.70\00:17:57.57 So if a woman is coming at you with a knife 00:17:57.61\00:18:01.18 or with an object or at a child, 00:18:01.21\00:18:03.68 then you are justified in taking defensive action. 00:18:03.71\00:18:07.58 I don't mean pummel the person or hitting them 00:18:07.65\00:18:11.05 but certainly taking defensive action 00:18:11.09\00:18:13.25 and getting out of the way. 00:18:13.29\00:18:15.16 Quite often, men are ashamed to report abuse by women 00:18:15.19\00:18:20.36 because then who will believe you? 00:18:20.43\00:18:22.06 Right. Right. So that was... 00:18:22.10\00:18:24.17 Well, there's eagle too because I did read that article 00:18:24.20\00:18:27.64 about that where it said, 00:18:27.67\00:18:29.14 you know, we think that this issue is a lot larger 00:18:29.17\00:18:34.38 in terms of men being abused, 00:18:34.41\00:18:36.34 but the fact is is because of their ego, 00:18:36.38\00:18:38.78 they don't make the report. 00:18:38.81\00:18:40.15 Absolutely. 00:18:40.22\00:18:41.78 So I mean, that's important for us to understand, you know, 00:18:41.82\00:18:44.99 as men that sometimes the woman does beat the man up, 00:18:45.02\00:18:49.22 you know, and the man must seek proper help as well. 00:18:49.26\00:18:53.26 Let's kind of talk about prevention a little bit, 00:18:53.29\00:18:55.80 there has to be some steps that a man can take specific 00:18:55.83\00:18:59.73 as this program is dealing with for guys only, 00:18:59.77\00:19:03.30 speaking to the needs of the urban man. 00:19:03.34\00:19:05.84 What are some of the steps 00:19:05.87\00:19:07.21 that men can take to prevent them from, 00:19:07.24\00:19:10.71 so to speak, crossing the line that 00:19:10.78\00:19:13.15 they don't go to a place 00:19:13.18\00:19:14.65 where they're going to regret in the very near future? 00:19:14.68\00:19:16.92 What are the ways? Rule number one, know yourself. 00:19:16.95\00:19:20.62 Understand your temperament. 00:19:20.69\00:19:23.16 Understand what pushes your button. 00:19:23.19\00:19:26.33 You know, we must be honest with ourselves 00:19:26.36\00:19:29.06 and each of us have different boiling points. 00:19:29.10\00:19:32.40 So I need to know what pushes my button. 00:19:32.43\00:19:36.37 And when I know that, 00:19:36.40\00:19:37.97 then I need to make a conscious decision every time 00:19:38.01\00:19:41.64 I feel myself getting there 00:19:41.68\00:19:43.88 to take what I call some self-timeout. 00:19:43.95\00:19:48.22 Does the man tell for instance, 00:19:48.25\00:19:52.65 if their wife, you know, 00:19:52.69\00:19:55.39 is coming down an avenue 00:19:55.42\00:19:57.26 where you know is going to push my button, you know? 00:19:57.33\00:20:00.60 Do you stop, you know, 'cause you recognized yourself. 00:20:00.63\00:20:02.83 Do you stop until you know your wife that, 00:20:02.86\00:20:05.13 "Hey, you're coming down an avenue 00:20:05.17\00:20:08.64 that I can't handle right now 00:20:08.67\00:20:10.77 and I just need for you to stop," 00:20:10.81\00:20:12.71 you know, do we do that? 00:20:12.74\00:20:14.31 I think, yes. 00:20:14.34\00:20:15.68 I think, you know, 00:20:15.71\00:20:17.41 what I call the rules of engagement. 00:20:17.45\00:20:20.28 And I have had to do that with my own relationship. 00:20:20.32\00:20:24.09 I've never seen my dad hit my mother. 00:20:24.15\00:20:27.22 And just based on that, 00:20:27.26\00:20:29.56 I've made a conscious decision to never hit a woman. 00:20:29.59\00:20:33.66 It doesn't mean that I don't get angry. 00:20:33.70\00:20:35.90 It doesn't mean that I don't get mad 00:20:35.93\00:20:37.53 and crazy and feel like. 00:20:37.57\00:20:39.87 But we have what I call the rules of engagement. 00:20:39.90\00:20:43.64 Once I feel us get into a certain point, 00:20:43.67\00:20:47.31 I say, "You know what, 00:20:47.34\00:20:48.78 I can't deal with this right now. 00:20:48.81\00:20:50.61 I need to take a self-timeout for me." 00:20:50.68\00:20:54.28 And we need to be aware of that point. 00:20:54.32\00:20:56.42 Wherever that point is, each of us needs to know 00:20:56.45\00:21:00.16 when it's time to walk away and take a self timeout. 00:21:00.19\00:21:03.16 Okay. So it's okay to walk away? 00:21:03.19\00:21:05.06 Absolutely. It's needed to walk away. 00:21:05.09\00:21:06.83 It's necessary. 00:21:06.90\00:21:08.20 If you have to, you have to run. 00:21:08.23\00:21:09.56 Absolutely. Every now and then. 00:21:09.60\00:21:10.93 It's necessary. Okay. 00:21:10.97\00:21:12.30 It's also good to, you know, 00:21:12.33\00:21:14.30 I think you get started on that path 00:21:14.34\00:21:16.10 to let your spouse know 00:21:16.14\00:21:20.34 what behaviors are setting you off. 00:21:20.38\00:21:22.71 Now you got to pick your timing too 00:21:22.74\00:21:26.25 because sometimes it's just the wrong time. 00:21:26.28\00:21:28.72 You test the waters and you find out that 00:21:28.75\00:21:30.75 they're getting hot, so you back off. 00:21:30.79\00:21:33.62 But what I want to protect against is you feeling like, 00:21:33.66\00:21:36.93 "Well, I guess I shouldn't do that 00:21:36.99\00:21:38.79 because, you know, when I did it the last time, 00:21:38.83\00:21:41.73 the waters got hotter" because what happens is, 00:21:41.76\00:21:44.23 then you lose the ability to join your wife 00:21:44.27\00:21:47.67 or invite her into being a partner 00:21:47.70\00:21:50.27 in helping to bring to maintain peace. 00:21:50.34\00:21:54.04 So it's okay 00:21:54.11\00:21:55.44 in the best non-offensive way to try and let her know that 00:21:55.48\00:22:01.45 there are some things 00:22:01.48\00:22:02.82 because you may have not because you ask not. 00:22:02.85\00:22:05.75 You may need to say, you know, this is a problem for me. 00:22:05.79\00:22:09.09 If you see it's going in the wrong way, 00:22:09.12\00:22:11.36 then you still reserve the right to retreat. 00:22:11.39\00:22:13.16 Okay. Okay. 00:22:13.19\00:22:14.50 And here's some common sense advice, suggestion. 00:22:14.56\00:22:18.77 I'm giving it to you for free. Come on. 00:22:18.80\00:22:20.40 That's what we want. 00:22:20.44\00:22:21.84 We want common sense, things that makes sense. 00:22:21.87\00:22:25.47 When you're hurt and when you're angry, 00:22:25.51\00:22:27.94 do not make major decisions. 00:22:27.98\00:22:31.51 It's a bad time. Okay. 00:22:31.55\00:22:32.88 Say it again. Okay. 00:22:32.91\00:22:34.28 When you're hurt or when you're angry guy 00:22:34.32\00:22:36.08 do not make major decisions. 00:22:36.12\00:22:39.75 In other words, 00:22:39.79\00:22:41.16 I'm not going to give you the car keys 00:22:41.19\00:22:43.29 or I'm not going to do this anymore. 00:22:43.32\00:22:45.29 I'm not going to do that anymore. 00:22:45.33\00:22:46.90 Do not make major decisions. 00:22:46.96\00:22:50.80 It is not a practical advice. 00:22:50.83\00:22:53.50 Do not fight with a skunk. 00:22:53.57\00:22:57.57 Okay. 00:22:57.61\00:22:58.94 You know what a skunk is right? 00:22:58.97\00:23:00.38 And, you know, 00:23:00.41\00:23:01.74 if you attempt to fight with the skunk, 00:23:01.78\00:23:03.35 you're going to lose because even if you win, 00:23:03.38\00:23:06.55 you're going to end up smelling bad. 00:23:06.58\00:23:09.75 What I mean by that is certain issues 00:23:09.78\00:23:13.02 are not worth fighting over. 00:23:13.05\00:23:16.66 Leave them alone 00:23:16.73\00:23:18.96 because you may think you have won, 00:23:18.99\00:23:22.16 but in the long run, you want to lose. 00:23:22.20\00:23:25.60 So do not fight with a skunk. 00:23:25.63\00:23:28.94 Leave it alone. Okay. 00:23:28.97\00:23:30.31 I like that. 00:23:30.37\00:23:32.91 I just want to answer that. Sure. 00:23:32.94\00:23:35.34 Some people, some adversaries are skunks and some are pigs. 00:23:35.38\00:23:40.78 When you wrestle with a pig, right, 00:23:40.82\00:23:44.25 you just get mud all over you and the pig enjoys the mud. 00:23:44.29\00:23:48.19 Same concept. 00:23:48.22\00:23:49.56 Some people actually enjoy conflict. 00:23:49.59\00:23:52.83 And they actually kind of try to push your buttons 00:23:52.86\00:23:55.90 and you got to know when you're dealing with that, 00:23:55.93\00:23:57.70 you're dealing with a pig. 00:23:57.73\00:24:01.67 Don't wrestle with a pig in mud. 00:24:01.70\00:24:03.04 Leave it alone. Just leave it alone. 00:24:03.07\00:24:04.47 No skunks, no pigs, leave it alone. 00:24:04.51\00:24:08.54 Okay. Okay. 00:24:08.58\00:24:10.25 What other preventative measures, 00:24:10.28\00:24:11.98 we get this concept of pigs. 00:24:12.01\00:24:14.15 What other preventative measures 00:24:14.22\00:24:16.38 can we take as well as, especially as men, 00:24:16.42\00:24:20.26 I know enough, even for myself, 00:24:20.29\00:24:21.92 you know, maybe just going for a jog 00:24:21.96\00:24:23.56 or something or going for a walk 00:24:23.63\00:24:25.26 or getting my car taking, you know, 00:24:25.29\00:24:27.73 time for me to just blow off steam, 00:24:27.76\00:24:29.80 you know, by myself sometimes. 00:24:29.83\00:24:31.73 What else can we do as well? 00:24:31.77\00:24:33.80 You know, I think it's important 00:24:33.84\00:24:36.14 to take an inventory of the things 00:24:36.17\00:24:38.41 that that make you mad, and I'm not saying to walk away 00:24:38.44\00:24:43.11 and never address them, 00:24:43.14\00:24:45.01 but wait for the appropriate time 00:24:45.05\00:24:47.22 to address those things. 00:24:47.28\00:24:48.72 And a lot of times, 24 hours later, 00:24:48.75\00:24:51.69 the things that you thought were important, 00:24:51.72\00:24:54.22 they're no longer are important. 00:24:54.26\00:24:55.89 You know you're fighting over the color of the curtain 00:24:55.92\00:24:59.76 or the style of the chair or something that 00:24:59.79\00:25:03.23 after few hours become immaterial. 00:25:03.26\00:25:06.63 So I'm saying take stock of it, allow some time to go by, 00:25:06.67\00:25:11.87 and then revisit the issue. 00:25:11.91\00:25:14.54 And a lot of times, the issue don't seem to be 00:25:14.58\00:25:16.95 as important as you thought it was. 00:25:16.98\00:25:20.85 Okay. Okay. 00:25:20.92\00:25:22.25 And I would say turn things over to God, 00:25:22.28\00:25:23.89 did you see turning things over to God? 00:25:23.92\00:25:26.49 I think a lot of times, the reason why you get drawn 00:25:26.52\00:25:29.69 into a battle is 00:25:29.72\00:25:31.06 because you see a situation developing in a way 00:25:31.09\00:25:34.20 that you don't want to be tolerant of. 00:25:34.20\00:25:37.23 And as you try to approach it, 00:25:37.27\00:25:38.60 you realize you're not getting anywhere with it, 00:25:38.63\00:25:40.84 but you don't want to lose that thing 00:25:40.90\00:25:42.27 because it might be 00:25:42.30\00:25:43.67 one of those lines that you've drawn. 00:25:43.71\00:25:45.04 And you said, "I have to make this change." 00:25:45.07\00:25:47.58 Dr. King said it well. 00:25:47.61\00:25:48.94 You may not have to make it right now. 00:25:48.98\00:25:51.01 But if you get used 00:25:51.05\00:25:53.38 to taking God up on His promises, 00:25:53.42\00:25:55.62 handing it over to Him and say, 00:25:55.65\00:25:56.99 "You know what, right now, God where it is right now, 00:25:57.05\00:25:59.62 I'm not going to get what I want. 00:25:59.65\00:26:01.06 And I believe I need it. 00:26:01.09\00:26:02.42 I believe it's right. 00:26:02.46\00:26:04.06 And I believe that You would have us 00:26:04.09\00:26:05.43 to do the right thing. 00:26:05.46\00:26:06.93 So guess what, for the sake of peace, 00:26:06.96\00:26:09.76 I'm going to just give it to You. 00:26:09.80\00:26:11.90 And I'm going to trust that 00:26:11.93\00:26:13.27 You will not let us lose the right situation, 00:26:13.34\00:26:17.01 lose the right outcome." 00:26:17.04\00:26:18.44 Leave it alone. 00:26:18.47\00:26:19.81 And I have learned that doing that more often than not, 00:26:19.84\00:26:23.01 first of all, it immediately 00:26:23.04\00:26:24.38 puts the situation under control and, 00:26:24.41\00:26:26.51 more often than not, the Holy Ghost goes to work. 00:26:26.55\00:26:29.52 He says, "Okay, that has retreated. 00:26:29.55\00:26:30.99 Now I can go to work." 00:26:31.02\00:26:32.55 And my wife will bring me the situation back and say, 00:26:32.59\00:26:35.49 "Let's work this thing out." 00:26:35.52\00:26:37.63 Okay. 00:26:37.66\00:26:38.99 That's critical 'cause I think sometimes 00:26:39.03\00:26:40.70 that we try to win an argument, but we may lose the person 00:26:40.73\00:26:44.67 whom we're arguing with, especially if it's a spouse. 00:26:44.70\00:26:46.47 Yes, you can win the battle, but you can lose the war. 00:26:46.50\00:26:48.64 Absolutely. That's critical. 00:26:48.67\00:26:50.21 That's... 00:26:50.27\00:26:51.61 I want to deal with, you know, what the Bible says 00:26:51.64\00:26:53.21 in the last minute that we have left. 00:26:53.24\00:26:55.14 And the Bible says in Ephesians 4:26, 00:26:55.18\00:27:00.05 the Bible says, "Be ye angry, and sin not, 00:27:00.08\00:27:03.52 let not the sun go down upon your wrath. 00:27:03.55\00:27:07.12 Neither give place to the devil. 00:27:07.19\00:27:09.92 Let him that stole steal no more, 00:27:09.96\00:27:11.89 but rather let him labor, 00:27:11.93\00:27:13.26 working with his hands the things which are good, 00:27:13.29\00:27:15.40 that he may have him to give to him that need. 00:27:15.43\00:27:18.30 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, 00:27:18.33\00:27:22.54 but that which is good to the use of edify, 00:27:22.57\00:27:25.04 that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 00:27:25.07\00:27:27.78 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed 00:27:27.81\00:27:32.08 unto the day of redemption." 00:27:32.11\00:27:34.42 Paul says, "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, 00:27:34.45\00:27:38.55 evil speaking be put away for you, 00:27:38.59\00:27:40.36 with all malice, and be ye kind one to another, 00:27:40.39\00:27:44.99 tenderhearted, forgiving one another, 00:27:45.03\00:27:47.60 even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you." 00:27:47.66\00:27:52.43 Because God has forgiven us, 00:27:52.47\00:27:54.77 my friends, we need to forgive one another as well. 00:27:54.80\00:27:58.91 God can by all means change our hearts 00:27:58.94\00:28:01.54 and our minds if we allow Him to do so. 00:28:01.58\00:28:04.81 This has been another broadcast For Guys Only. 00:28:04.85\00:28:07.35 And I pray that 00:28:07.38\00:28:08.72 you are richly blessed on today. 00:28:08.75\00:28:10.62 Until next time, my friends, may God richly bless you 00:28:10.65\00:28:12.89 and keep you in His loving grace. 00:28:12.92\00:28:14.29