With each new day families are failing and homes are broken. 00:00:04.52\00:00:09.40 Marriages are threatened, fathers are absent. 00:00:09.43\00:00:13.59 Children are rebellious but all is not lost. 00:00:13.62\00:00:17.47 Homes can be healed and hearts can be mended. 00:00:17.51\00:00:21.32 Let's reclaim our Families 4 Heaven. 00:00:21.36\00:00:26.16 Thank you for watching Families 4 Heaven. 00:00:32.22\00:00:35.59 My name is Alanzo Smith and this is my wife June Smith 00:00:35.63\00:00:38.71 my co-host. 00:00:38.74\00:00:40.29 We have a very interesting topic that we are going to 00:00:40.33\00:00:43.57 talk about, Surviving the Ultimate Loss, Death. 00:00:43.60\00:00:48.55 You know, every one of you listening to this program 00:00:48.58\00:00:52.93 you have had a close relative or a friend 00:00:52.97\00:00:57.23 who passed away. 00:00:57.27\00:00:59.38 Yet death is not something that people want 00:00:59.42\00:01:03.72 to talk about. 00:01:03.76\00:01:05.28 Dr. June, why is this so? 00:01:05.31\00:01:09.30 Loss is painful and if you have ever experienced losing, 00:01:09.33\00:01:14.53 especially a family member, it is even more painful. 00:01:14.57\00:01:19.02 When you love someone you like to have them around for a 00:01:19.05\00:01:23.47 very long time. 00:01:23.50\00:01:25.30 Especially when you lose someone in a tragic situation. 00:01:25.34\00:01:29.26 Sometimes families or people just don't know what to do. 00:01:29.29\00:01:33.18 Nor how to handle it. 00:01:33.21\00:01:34.93 So for all those reasons people have difficulty talking 00:01:34.96\00:01:38.59 about death and loss. 00:01:38.63\00:01:40.44 Let's talk about some myths, about grief, because when 00:01:40.47\00:01:46.30 we talk about death, people are at different stage on 00:01:46.33\00:01:51.72 the continuum of how they handle and manage their grief. 00:01:51.75\00:01:56.55 Part of this is because of some stereo typical thinking, 00:01:56.58\00:02:01.34 myth, or mythology that exist. 00:02:01.38\00:02:03.30 For example, children grieve like adults. 00:02:03.33\00:02:07.81 What would you say to that? 00:02:07.84\00:02:09.41 I would say that is certainly a myth. 00:02:09.44\00:02:11.05 Children have different ways of grieving, in fact or a 00:02:11.09\00:02:15.67 experience in loss. 00:02:15.71\00:02:17.33 I have worked with children who you wonder if they even 00:02:17.37\00:02:20.28 understand what is going on. 00:02:20.31\00:02:22.11 I remember a story of a little girl who, after she had 00:02:22.15\00:02:25.11 lost her sister, her parents and her went shopping and 00:02:25.15\00:02:28.05 she said to her mom, let's get something for, and she named 00:02:28.08\00:02:31.32 her little sister that she just had lost. 00:02:31.36\00:02:32.99 So in her mind her sister was still in the hospital 00:02:33.03\00:02:35.03 or someplace. 00:02:35.07\00:02:36.29 So they know the person is not around and sometimes are 00:02:36.32\00:02:39.43 not sure where the person is or what death really means. 00:02:39.47\00:02:42.54 Okay, do we all grieve the same way, all deaths, 00:02:42.58\00:02:49.21 are they all alike? 00:02:49.25\00:02:51.06 Loss is painful and no not all deaths are grieved 00:02:51.10\00:02:56.22 in the same way. 00:02:56.25\00:02:57.62 For example, there are people who lose individuals who 00:02:57.66\00:03:01.08 are in a lot of pain, and they are at the end stage of 00:03:01.11\00:03:04.49 life, and they accept that this is the next step. 00:03:04.53\00:03:07.65 So the loss, or the response to that grief is not 00:03:07.68\00:03:11.49 necessarily as upsetting as losing a young child, 00:03:11.52\00:03:15.29 or losing someone unexpectedly. 00:03:15.33\00:03:17.45 So it depends on the circumstance of loss. 00:03:17.48\00:03:20.05 What if I go through my pain now and after a year or two 00:03:20.09\00:03:28.72 I am healed, does that mean I am permanently healed 00:03:28.76\00:03:32.91 from that loss? 00:03:32.95\00:03:34.63 Again people respond to loss in different ways. 00:03:34.67\00:03:37.18 But the average time that one takes to grieve clinically 00:03:37.21\00:03:42.18 it is said 24 months and sometimes 48 months. 00:03:42.22\00:03:45.93 It will take an individual to get to the point where they are 00:03:45.96\00:03:49.45 ready to move on, but people could get there much faster, 00:03:49.48\00:03:52.57 it just depends on all the supporting factors and their 00:03:52.61\00:03:55.18 psychological state and all the other things that goes 00:03:55.22\00:03:57.76 into the way they hope and handle their loss. 00:03:57.80\00:04:00.55 We have someone with us here who actually has gone 00:04:00.59\00:04:05.88 through what we are talking about. 00:04:05.92\00:04:08.17 Not in the contents of dying, but in the context of 00:04:08.21\00:04:11.32 losing a loved one. 00:04:11.36\00:04:13.60 We have Dijon Plummer, did I pronounce your name 00:04:13.64\00:04:19.48 correctly? Dijon: yes you did. 00:04:19.51\00:04:21.99 Won't you help me welcome Dijon as our guest. 00:04:22.03\00:04:25.76 we are very happy that you took the time out coming. 00:04:31.54\00:04:35.04 We know that you flew in from afar and we are very happy 00:04:35.07\00:04:38.53 that you have come spend time with us here on this 00:04:38.57\00:04:41.81 program to share your story. 00:04:41.85\00:04:44.15 Something happened to you, you are a successful, 00:04:44.18\00:04:49.10 progressive, happily married young man. 00:04:49.13\00:04:54.13 You've been married for eight years with a family of 00:04:54.17\00:04:58.22 three and life couldn't be better, it was at its best. 00:04:58.25\00:05:02.27 Talk to us about what happened. 00:05:02.30\00:05:06.15 Approximately 4 years ago, on December 21 my life 00:05:06.19\00:05:12.94 changed forever. 00:05:12.97\00:05:15.57 Alanzo: before your life change was there any thought 00:05:15.60\00:05:19.23 in your head as to what or where your life was? 00:05:19.27\00:05:23.07 Yes, actually that evening when everything happened we 00:05:23.10\00:05:28.12 were at home and some friends had come by and I was 00:05:28.16\00:05:33.10 talking to them and had said to them my life is perfect. 00:05:33.14\00:05:36.71 Our money was right, the interaction between my wife and 00:05:38.53\00:05:42.24 I was okay and the children weren't given us any problems, 00:05:42.27\00:05:45.95 everything felt like it was under control. 00:05:45.98\00:05:49.94 It felt stable, it felt safe, it was perfect. 00:05:49.98\00:05:53.97 Dr. June: and what happened? 00:05:56.81\00:05:59.87 On that evening we had a teenage son, he was 16 at the 00:05:59.91\00:06:07.19 time and he wanted to go to a party. 00:06:07.22\00:06:09.27 So I decided I was going to take him, he did not have 00:06:09.30\00:06:12.42 his drivers license at the time. 00:06:12.45\00:06:13.90 So I took him to the party and left my wife and my two 00:06:13.94\00:06:18.99 younger children at home. 00:06:19.02\00:06:20.92 When we got to the party I realized that there wasn't an 00:06:20.95\00:06:24.44 adult at the home, there were only teenagers. 00:06:24.47\00:06:27.86 I decided that I was going to stay there until the 00:06:27.90\00:06:33.07 adult came, and after she came I decided it was going 00:06:33.10\00:06:38.24 to stay there. 00:06:38.27\00:06:39.30 Alanzo: so you decided to stay there at the time? 00:06:39.33\00:06:40.76 What happened? 00:06:40.80\00:06:42.30 Dijon: we decided we were going to go back home at about 00:06:42.34\00:06:47.66 12:30, 1 o'clock and by the time we got there we realized 00:06:47.69\00:06:52.97 the roads were blocked and the police were there. 00:06:53.01\00:06:55.58 I had left my phone in the car and when I went back there 00:06:55.61\00:07:00.88 I realized I had missed about 20 calls. 00:07:00.92\00:07:03.49 Alanzo: 20 calls. 00:07:03.52\00:07:04.99 Of course when I tried to return the calls the person I 00:07:05.03\00:07:08.48 spoke to just said come home, come home. 00:07:08.52\00:07:10.98 Nobody would tell me exactly what was going on. 00:07:11.02\00:07:13.17 It was not until we got close to the house I realized 00:07:13.20\00:07:16.21 that my brother was there, which was strange. 00:07:16.25\00:07:20.28 I saw that the house was damaged. 00:07:20.31\00:07:22.76 The whole reality of what happened was revealed to me. 00:07:22.79\00:07:28.44 Alanzo: was it an earthquake what happened? 00:07:28.48\00:07:30.52 No it was a house fire, and the house was 00:07:30.55\00:07:32.56 damaged by fire. 00:07:32.59\00:07:33.94 There were fire engines there and they had hoses 00:07:33.97\00:07:37.18 out and everything. 00:07:37.22\00:07:38.70 Alanzo: There was this fire and you had left 00:07:38.74\00:07:40.85 at home, who? 00:07:40.89\00:07:43.19 Dijon: my wife, my nine-year-old daughter, 00:07:43.22\00:07:46.07 and my seven-year-old son. 00:07:46.11\00:07:47.85 All three of them perished in the fire. 00:07:47.88\00:07:51.33 Alanzo: wow! 00:07:51.36\00:07:55.96 Dr. June: we are sorry, really sorry for your loss. 00:07:55.99\00:08:01.32 Dijon, when you entered that scene and realized, did you 00:08:01.36\00:08:06.65 realize, how did you relate to that? 00:08:06.69\00:08:09.43 My brother was there on the scene and he came up to me 00:08:09.46\00:08:14.15 and hugged me and told me straight out. 00:08:14.18\00:08:17.74 He did not mince any words, he said they did not make it. 00:08:17.78\00:08:22.88 It felt unreal, as if I was experiencing an out of body 00:08:22.92\00:08:27.99 experience, it didn't make sense, how could it be? 00:08:28.03\00:08:32.06 I was in disbelief and demanded that I wanted to see 00:08:32.10\00:08:36.10 them, I have to see them. 00:08:36.13\00:08:37.42 There's no way that this can be true. 00:08:37.46\00:08:39.08 It just felt as if I was watching myself from outside 00:08:39.11\00:08:47.88 of myself, it didn't seem real. 00:08:47.91\00:08:50.97 No matter how I looked I demanded them, to see them. 00:08:51.01\00:08:56.29 It didn't happen. 00:08:56.33\00:08:59.00 You notice he said his first reaction was one of denial. 00:08:59.03\00:09:03.68 Some years back, Elizabeth Hoover Ross, wrote this book 00:09:03.71\00:09:08.33 On Death and Dying. 00:09:08.36\00:09:09.67 She talks about the five stages that an individual goes 00:09:09.71\00:09:12.90 through, and the first one she mentioned is that of 00:09:12.94\00:09:16.52 denial, do you want to talk to us a little more about 00:09:16.56\00:09:20.11 why people go through this stage? 00:09:20.14\00:09:22.40 Dr June: this is consistent with what happens when you hear 00:09:22.43\00:09:24.82 very shocking news. 00:09:24.86\00:09:27.33 But psychologically what is happening is that the mind 00:09:27.37\00:09:29.77 is giving you time to absorb the shock. 00:09:29.80\00:09:33.63 As you tell yourself it isn't so, then gradually as you 00:09:33.66\00:09:37.83 see the facts, and as you gather the information, you 00:09:37.87\00:09:41.53 come to accept or to realize that yes it is true. 00:09:41.56\00:09:45.15 By that time you are able to hear it different, to hear more 00:09:45.19\00:09:49.08 so, so it is a defense that we use to absorb shock. 00:09:49.11\00:09:54.04 Really, shocking news. 00:09:54.08\00:09:56.44 So that is your reality now, three family members in a 00:09:56.48\00:10:01.39 split second, are wiped out. 00:10:01.42\00:10:03.73 How did that affect your world and your life? 00:10:03.76\00:10:07.72 Everything changed. 00:10:07.75\00:10:10.72 I lost, I felt, the only person on this earth who 00:10:10.76\00:10:16.37 understood me, who accepted me for who I was, who was 00:10:16.41\00:10:20.39 willing to work with me and spend the rest of their 00:10:20.42\00:10:24.36 life with me. 00:10:24.40\00:10:26.21 I lost children who, all I had to do was show up and I 00:10:26.24\00:10:31.46 was automatically a hero. 00:10:31.50\00:10:33.10 I wasn't the tallest, the strongest, the smartest dad 00:10:33.14\00:10:37.00 around, but to them I was Superman. 00:10:37.04\00:10:40.95 I lost my will to live. 00:10:40.98\00:10:48.27 I lost any reason to be happy, everything changed. 00:10:48.30\00:10:55.70 I had to now learn to be a father and a mother. 00:10:55.73\00:11:03.06 We are talking to Dijon Plummer who one sad night in 00:11:03.09\00:11:08.70 December, he went home only to discover that his wife 00:11:08.74\00:11:14.31 and two children died in a tragic house fire. 00:11:14.35\00:11:18.12 We have much more to talk about and hear more 00:11:18.16\00:11:21.90 about his story. 00:11:21.93\00:11:23.22 We are going to take a break and we will be right back. 00:11:23.25\00:11:26.09